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April 3, 2023 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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	Well, welcome!
	Welcome to the Deling Pod.
	Dave Cullum, or I should probably call you Professor Doctor Dave Cullum.
	No, you should call me Dave.
	OK.
	Dave, I've listened to some of your stuff and I was struck, I hope you're considering this a compliment, I thought this guy is kind of the American James Dellingpole.
	Yes, that's a compliment.
	That's a compliment.
	Filter free.
	Any topic, right?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, before we started, you named two of my favourite topics.
	I mean, we could talk about anything, but I think actually Ukraine and finance are pretty good subjects for an hour and a half's podcast.
	But before we go on, tell me a bit about yourself.
	I mean, I know you're a chemistry professor and I know you're at Cornell.
	So my first question to you is how the hell have you not been fired for your views?
	I've been cancelled.
	I would be tough to fire for starters.
	I also, let me give Cornell credit, I'm not sure they have any interest in firing me.
	So I actually am pretty proud and fond of our administration in general.
	There's a couple who are losers.
	But I'd say in general, I like Cornell's administration.
	I think they're pretty good with free speech.
	They get bad press sometimes.
	I don't quite understand.
	It could be we haven't, you know, like what's that campus reform has, has people on campuses who tell horror stories, and we might have an active couple of reporters on campus.
	So Well, I don't see how you can escape that, but perhaps I'm sort of confusing you or assuming that all universities are the same.
	I mean, Columbia, which is the other sort of New York University, is really, really bad, isn't it?
	I think so.
	Everything.
	I think part of it's being in the city.
	So we're out in the burbs, right?
	We're out.
	If I turn my camera around, you know, I live on a lake.
	I have a house that hangs off a hundred foot cliff looking west over Kegel Lake.
	It's very idyllic.
	It's an extraordinary, and it's not that expensive.
	I mean, I wrote a pretty good-sized check to get it, but it's, you know, this house in someplace like in California, hanging off the coast, would be a $20 million house.
	It's a tiny, tiny fraction of that here.
	And do you get sort of bears and deer in your garden and stuff?
	Deer, oh my God, yes.
	In fact, driving down from the main road down the windy, you know, hairpin curve Oh yeah, because it's idyllic.
	you can't drive down without seeing a deer.
	But the bears, I think, are sort of not too far away, but I've never seen one, so. - And what sort of people, is there a sort of character to Cornell?
	I mean, apart from being in the idyllic spot. - Oh, yeah.
	Because it's idyllic, if you think about how you build a department or a university, you scour the globe for the most talented people you can possibly find.
	Academic chemists, for example, tend to be absolute top of the food chain.
	There are real talent who go off to pharma, but if you go to Harvard or someplace like that, the elite grad students seem to want to go into academia a lot often.
	You scour the globe.
	You try to find the very best people.
	You put them all together in one building.
	It's kind of a formula for disaster because in theory, You have all these egomaniacal crazies all trying to step on each other to get to the top, and there are departments that are very much like that, but Cornell chemistry is no way like that.
	We applied the no asshole rule, which is if we detect the asshole, we won't make them a job offer.
	And so I think that stems from the fact that we're kind of in the country and the people who are here chose to be here because of environment.
	And I think that's a person who marches to a slightly different drummer.
	And am I right in thinking, I mean, I know nothing about chemistry.
	I don't either.
	But I would imagine No, for example, you know, naming names is a problem, but I think MIT's been absorbed pretty good.
	I don't know.
	Now, for example, naming names is a problem, but I think MIT's been absorbed pretty good.
	I'm told that MIT's-- we're in an era now that will pass, right?
	This whole woke period is a passing phase.
	It's like raising a teenager.
	Do you have kids?
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	So you don't spend your time trying to fix them because in two weeks they'll be different anyway, so you just kind of hang on by your nails.
	And this woke stuff will go away because it's tiresome and it's not supported by most people.
	I think if you did an anonymous poll, you'd find that most people are repulsed by it.
	It will go away.
	The departments I think are going to make a mistake are the ones who are going to hyper react to it and hire people who are not competent to check some box.
	We find tremendous numbers of highly qualified women to hire.
	We don't need to check a box.
	But I think the ones who, who hire, you know, gender only, and we'll, we'll lower the bar to do it, which we won't.
	Then they'll look up 20 years from now and have a meatball.
	And, and no one will be giving them credits for having hired a woman 20 years back.
	Because that will be history.
	That'll be ancient history.
	Okay, I'm with you.
	I'm obviously with you on woke.
	It is a kind of, it's a Well, I mean, I think actually Woke was was was designed to distract us from the much worse things that are going on in the world.
	I think it's an astroturf.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's like the culture.
	I used to play the Culture Wars game and I used to probably even write articles about.
	No, I still write about it because of the human folly component.
	College was handing back the bus that had been presented it to it had been looted from Benin in in the in the 1880s.
	And that, you know, or colleges going against their benefactors wishes by by doing blah, blah, blah.
	Well, see, I still write about that.
	I still know.
	I still write about it because of the human folly.
	So I love writing about human folly.
	And so if I can write about it and laugh and blow a snot bubble and if I can present it in a way.
	One of the best compliments I ever got.
	And I think it was in a section of my writings where I tell a new story and then I put in a wisecrack.
	Someone said your responses are as good as Norm MacDonald's.
	And I said, holy cow, that is about as good a praise as you can get.
	And so I I for example, this year I.
	I wrote about a Leah Thomas, who won the NCAA Swimming Championship as a transgender.
	So what I did was I wrote about how wonderful it was because she had suffered a crushing defeat from the transgender at the other school, and she rallied back to win.
	I showed a picture of the two girls who took Silver and bronze, and then I wrote about the psychology of silver medalists and said, silver medalists are the least happy, bronze is happy to be getting a medal, so gold won.
	The silver medalists is the most disappointed because they were so close.
	You can see the picture and these two girls are just absolutely radiating repulsion to the fact they got beat by a dude.
	And I said, therefore, the silver medalists really more than ever before are not happy.
	So I criticize the female sports complex, because we work so hard to get women's sports into place.
	And now we're letting someone destroy it for some politically motivated activist move that doesn't look benign.
	It doesn't look like just stupidity.
	It looks more More sinister to me.
	Yeah.
	And where are all these women who know what it's like to get up at five in the morning and swim laps for three hours and then go to school and then swim laps after school and then get beat by some guy?
	I just don't understand where the women are.
	Why aren't they speaking up for sports?
	Women's sports.
	I totally agree with you on all this, Dave.
	But the thing is, I mean, I'm not a particularly great fisherman, but it seems to me that fighting the culture wars is a bit like going out in a boat and shoving loads of ground bait down but it seems to me that fighting the culture wars is a bit like going out in a boat and shoving loads of ground bait down and the fish You know, it's not like fly fishing.
	It's kind of cheating because the targets are so obvious and they are obvious by design.
	We can all see the outrageous absurdity and write eloquently about it and bitually about it or whatever, about the absurdity of this thing, which is obviously a man dressed as a woman winning races, killing female sport, which is killing female sport, which is the thing that simultaneously we're invited to celebrate all the sodding time.
	Like, I mean, in the UK now, for example, The BBC will say that England has won the World Cup.
	In football.
	And you think, wow, that's interesting.
	You know, that was the first time since 1966.
	But no, it's not England, the men's team, the only team that counts.
	I mean, if you cared about this thing.
	It's the women's team.
	I'm not touching that one.
	We get completely gaslit, gaslighted into this crazy world.
	But what I've noticed is that the journalists who've really gone big on Right.
	fighting woke fighting pronouns fighting writing these articles are also the journalists who completely shit the bed when it came to things like covid the war in ukraine you know it's it's their get out clause it's like look at me i'm fighting this craziness that makes you angry and and look i'm i'm really outspoken about it
	I can be really brave about the absurdity of women winning races, you know, winning swimming races when they're obviously men.
	I'm not saying it's not annoying, but Ukraine and the New World Order destroying us, you know, the collapse of the global economy, this is the real stuff.
	That is just a distraction.
	Yeah.
	So, so again, um, what started about writing about human folly, the human folly got too serious.
	Yeah.
	And, and so, and, and I've challenged people, I said, name a mainstream narrative that you actually believe and which you couldn't basically blow up with a few unfortunate facts.
	And you think about it and you go, boy, there isn't one, whether it's a laptop or whether it's an election.
	I actually think the elections were rigged pretty profoundly.
	And the logic is simple.
	Besides the fact, I think there's evidence, but you can ignore the evidence.
	What you can look at is the fact that the political complex, both sides, both parties, did not want Trump near that office again, right?
	Neither the Republicans.
	I challenge people, name a Republican.
	Who you could bet your life on actually supports Trump, not just tied their wagon to him, but really supports him, really would take a bullet for him sort of thing.
	And I don't think you could name one confidently.
	And it's certainly not, you know, the leaders like Mitch McConnell, stuff like that.
	And so then the question is, so they went at him as hard as they could with everything imaginable for four years and then forgot to rig the election?
	I don't think so.
	No.
	So I can ignore all the facts and just say there's no way they let that election go by.
	No chance.
	By the way, you asked me about myself before we started.
	Yes.
	I must confess, I feel slightly embarrassed about this, but my real journey down the rabbit hole, my real wake-up moment, was the Stolten Election.
	Oh, interesting.
	Which I look back on now as just a kind of peripheral thing, you know, just like nothing compared with the things I've discovered since.
	But it was, you know how, before one makes the heroic journey down the rabbit hole and you discover that the world is completely not like we've been told.
	So the rabbit holes, plural, yeah.
	Yeah, the rabbit holes.
	But you need a kind of A traumatic event, really, to force you into making that journey.
	There's one eye-opener.
	There's one that catches your attention.
	I was talking to one of the COVID battlers, one of the lockdown battlers, yesterday.
	I'm going to name his name because I'm going to plug his book.
	And that is Aaron Cariotti.
	And I've written 200 pages on COVID and I've read a thousand hours easily on COVID right from the very beginning, right from when the virus was first showing up.
	I was starting to talk to biochemists, trying to understand it.
	I started reading immunology the summer before just by chance.
	I have a degree in genetics as an undergrad, which is very much old and stale.
	And I'm talking to Aaron by DM on Twitter.
	Aaron wrote this brilliant book and it was still a good book.
	He sort of expresses our rage.
	so I don't ever see the title.
	But it's Keriati, K-H-E-R-I-A-T-Y.
	And I've read so much and it was still a good book.
	I just finished it.
	And he sort of expresses our rage.
	He expresses, he goes deeply into the philosophies that have led to the problem.
	So it's a very, very thoughtful book.
	And I asked him, I said, were you predisposed to go down these rabbit holes?
	Because he hit every last one of them.
	He hit every one of them.
	And I said, or did you hit them like a freight train during COVID?
	Because he was tooling along at UC Irvine's medical school and actually running their COVID response.
	And then all of a sudden, yeah, the story just started to not make sense.
	And pretty soon he was a New World Order, you know, opponent and everything that the entire, you know, darkest, all the COVID guys, all the guys who went to the front line of the COVID battle have all gone ultra dark, ultra dark, you know, super left wing liberals who are now buying guns and things like that.
	It's a real crazy world.
	And he said he was predisposed to the extent that To the extent that he knew the system had problems, but he said COVID was a real shock to him.
	And now here's the problem.
	He'll never be the same again.
	He will not ever be the same.
	So, so my trip down rabbit hole started years ago.
	And I think the first one was when I, when I was a freshman, I saw a talk by Mark Lane, who is Oswald's lawyer.
	And I don't remember much about it, because I really wasn't ready to understand it.
	But the one thing I remember is that he said Oswald didn't do it.
	And he said he was hired by the Kennedys to defend him.
	And Mark Lane was one of these famous lawyers.
	I go, holy Jesus, right?
	So the Kennedy assassination tells you weird things can happen.
	Everyone seems to accept it.
	And they said, oh, but they're not happening now.
	It's like, well, that's a stupid conclusion, right?
	So then I just naturally went down rabbit holes.
	I look at finance.
	Part of my background in chemistry that helps is I went into an area that was complex as hell.
	No one had really dug into it correctly in my opinion.
	I was told I couldn't understand it.
	Some people thought they did understand it.
	After 40 years, we found that pretty much everything that people used to say is not correct in some way.
	Sometimes it's profoundly wrong.
	And sometimes they're wrong, but it's not embarrassingly wrong, but they are wrong.
	And it's made it fun, right?
	If every paper you write says, oh, by the way, this was fucked up too, right?
	Nobel Prize winning thing is not right, you know, and we've done that.
	Then I can also stare at 12 central bankers who all agree and say, I think you guys are wrong.
	And it's not that I necessarily believe I know more than them, but I have complete lack of faith and credentialed expertise.
	And it wasn't a darkness.
	It was something I kind of reveled in.
	I enjoyed.
	But then it's become a darkness because now the stakes are getting so high with inflation boxed in by bank runs and things like that.
	Now we're playing hardball.
	And how they respond is going to be so Profoundly important and not even obvious what the best response is but I started reading about economics mid-90s and the complexity was such an attraction to me and the gaggle of idiots was such an attraction to me.
	Can I pick you up on that point?
	Yeah.
	What their response is going to be.
	Surely it's going to be the worst response because this is by design.
	It's not like these guys are trying to save the global economy.
	These guys are deliberately trying to destroy the financial system in order to hide what they've been doing since 1913.
	Since the since the Federal Reserve bankers started looting the, you know, devaluing the dollar and skimming off the off of the proceeds.
	I mean, they're all they're all crooks.
	They're all in it.
	Yes.
	But here, let me make a counter argument that doesn't disagree with that, but it adds sort of another layer.
	And that is they want the system to keep going.
	So Volcker for example is viewed as everyone's hero because he slayed double-digit inflation.
	You can make an argument that's not true and it's not a crazy argument.
	The argument being that at the moment that Volcker was hammering the credit markets with high interest rates, That was when the Chinese started flooding the world with cheap labor.
	Russia started flooding the world with cheap resources.
	U.S.
	demographics were just kicking into gear.
	We're going from super, super low valuations.
	We're about to begin a march.
	People don't know this.
	The valuations of equity markets have risen annualized 3% a year.
	The valuations have risen 3% a year.
	That's an unbelievable talent.
	If we do that for the next 40 years in reverse, negative 3% a year for the next 40 years to do the round trip, then that's going to be a headwind of unimagined proportions.
	Volcker was both working for the so-called deep state, deep bank, deep street, I like to call it actually, but also that involves saving the system.
	Right.
	And I think it's possible that Powell faces the same thing.
	So I think it's possible that Powell, as an elderly gentleman, is going, OK, I have a choice.
	I can either do what I'm told and save the banks garishly, save the equity markets garishly, or I can join Volcker in the pantheon of central bankers and do the hard thing.
	The hard thing will be what he's been promising to do, inflict pain.
	He said it so many times in so many direct ways.
	The other day, for example, he was being drilled by the rocket surgeon of rocket surgeons in Congress, Rashid Tlaib, whose double-digit IQ is not near the triple digits, best I can tell.
	She was drilling him about how him hiking up rates would make it hard for the government to fund itself.
	This is an absolutely clear problem.
	He said, that's not my job.
	That should have slaughtered the markets if people didn't hear that.
	They just didn't hear it.
	When he says it's not my problem helping the government fund it, I've been saying, and I wrote this last year, Powell is trying to tighten while Congress is fighting it tooth and nail, spending money like drunken sailors.
	Powell's got to be looking at Congress and saying, you guys are not helping me.
	You're not my friend.
	I'm trying to solve a problem here.
	And you just keep passing spending bills and giving money to Ukraine and giving ESG shit money.
	And we can talk about climate change, which is one of my favorite topics to shit all over.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's funny.
	For the benefit of people who don't follow American economic affairs, Jerome Powell is the current head of the Federal Reserve.
	You're the second podcast guest to have come out in favor of Jerome Powell.
	Well, that it's not a done deal that he's going to be our friend in the way most people think.
	Of course he's not your friend.
	He's nobody's friend.
	Well, but, but he, he, he, um, he, they think he's going to pivot as soon as it gets painful.
	And I'm going, no, he, he promised pain.
	He promised pain.
	So, so get ready for pain.
	So pain, pain means what?
	He's not going to try and inflate out of, I mean, not the, Hyperinflate out of trouble, he's going to what?
	Keep cutting?
	Hyperinflate out of trouble is a paradox in its own right, right?
	If you hyperinflate, you are not out of trouble.
	Boy, I'm doing a podcast.
	I have to call you back.
	Lots of love.
	Bye.
	So if he hyperinflates, then we're in deep trouble, because that shreds the fabric of society, right?
	Get the gold!
	Yeah, well, I own a lot of gold.
	Yeah, people own 5% gold as insurance policy.
	That's like having a 10,000-hour life insurance policy.
	It'll pay for the funeral.
	Well, I don't know what optimal is.
	I use when you're, you'll have enough gas, you're flying at 50,000 feet, right?
	You're way above fair value.
	And the one thing you know for sure is you have enough gas to get to the crash site.
	Well, actually, out of interest, what is your optimal percentage of total assets that should be allocated to gold then and silver?
	Well, I don't know what optimal is.
	I can tell you that if you add up all my assets, we're talking in it before the podcast about my house, which is three times more expensive than I need.
	It's life changing.
	I mean, I could show you a picture and it's just a utopian existence.
	And I didn't think I cared.
	I thought, yeah, give me a give me a pod or something.
	I could throw a bed in the back.
	I don't care.
	I could live like a dirtball.
	But but we stare west over Kegal Lake, hanging off a hundred foot cliff.
	And it's just idyllic.
	And we sit there with our laptops late at night and So I have to consider that as an investment because it costs three times the house I moved from to get into it.
	Also, the hordes can only attack on three sides.
	That's right.
	In fact, when I got cancelled, I slept with loaded shotguns and I had knives in every room in case I got cornered.
	Yeah.
	And I was, the problem was, was during the George Floyd riots, we're all locked down, but I didn't know if Antifa would show up.
	And so I was ready to say, okay, you know, you're going to take me to the light, but you're coming with me.
	Yeah.
	I envy you the option that you have in America to go down guns blazing, because we've had pretty much all our guns gone.
	Well, it's not optimum, right?
	It's not the optimum answer.
	Well, nothing's optimal in these end times.
	Come on.
	Yeah, I know.
	I don't think you can hedge against the worst case scenario.
	I think you can drive yourself nuts trying to... I know guys, you know, 10 years of freeze-dried food and I go, no.
	My hedge for that is 30 Valiums, you know, just down them and say screw it.
	It's been good, but I don't look good in a purple mohawk.
	I don't want to drive around in a truck with flames coming out the back.
	It just doesn't.
	Mel Gibson's role in Road Warrior.
	Mad Max.
	We don't want that, and I'm not going to do it.
	In any event, though, you've got to survive a brief rough period.
	Yeah.
	So, gold allocation, what percentage?
	Oh, gold, I'm probably ballpark 30%.
	Got a lot of cash equivalents.
	That seems reasonable to me.
	Sort of zero to two-year treasury.
	Some insured CDs, you know, I'm hoping will hold up.
	And cryptos?
	Are you in cryptos?
	I'm not in crypto because I think I believe they're going to have to do a battle against the state.
	I think I don't think cryptos.
	I don't think the maximalists, I think, are not right.
	I've had I've been in so many podcasts with crypto guys.
	The elite crypto guys want to convert me for some reason.
	It's like they show up at my door with a Bible under their arm and I'm sympathetic to them.
	I'm totally sympathetic.
	But many of them do not understand the basic principles of markets, and they somehow think that, you know, why would crypto ever go, you know, down here?
	And you go, because that's what happens, right?
	So I think the state, capital S, will at some point go against crypto, or they'll absorb it and normalize it, and then it's no longer good, right?
	So at some point, people say, well, what price?
	I go, it's not about a price.
	I said no to crypto at $10.
	at $10.
	And I don't lose sleep because I would have sold it at $50 and spent the profits on therapy.
	There might be a moment in time though where I go, okay, it's time.
	I'm going to buy crypto now.
	But it's also complicated enough.
	Now people say, oh, it's really easy.
	No, no, no, no.
	I don't want to sit there and wonder about my keys and about who's got the crypto and my wallet.
	I don't need it right now.
	Going back to the Fed, we don't want to make predictions, but your feeling is that we might get a tightening?
	I won't be shocked if he hikes rates again, for example.
	And I think he has to, actually.
	I think he feels he'll have to, because I don't think he wants to show weakness right now.
	So I think he's going to hike rates.
	I think he might even say, look, this is not about rates.
	This is about a bad bank.
	Now, they're painting SVB as a bad bank.
	And I've been arguing on Twitter.
	And people say, well, you know, they didn't hedge.
	And I go, you know, the hedging is a scam.
	So Citigroup in 2008 said, we're hedged.
	I go, ooh, by the Klingon Empire?
	Who's hedging you?
	So the banking system can't be hedged.
	The counterparty risk is always going to be there.
	If SVB went down $200 billion, that's an awful lot to lose.
	Whoever hedged that would be insolvent fast if it wasn't distributed really well.
	And we started losing banks.
	We got insolvencies everywhere.
	Leverage and risk and stuff is like the bathtub ring and the cat in the hat.
	It moves all over the place.
	It's hard to get rid of.
	Yeah, I don't buy the... obviously I don't buy, nor I'm sure do you, the official narrative on... I don't like it at all actually.
	I think SVB, they made some fundamental mistakes.
	But to criticize them for owning treasuries... They had to!
	Well, they had to.
	Well, and people say, no, they could have done this.
	And I go, owning treasuries six months ago, if someone said, oh, you're an idiot for owning treasuries, that's unsafe.
	There's an absurdity to the world when owning treasuries is unsafe.
	What it represents is that the Fed driving rates down to zero made it unable to run a bank.
	It made it impossible to run a bank.
	Yeah.
	But I think this is by design, Dave.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, you know, I was listening to a pod this morning and somebody was suggesting that the person responsible for starting the run on... Jamie Dimon.
	Oh, well, Peter Thiel.
	Peter Thiel, too, yeah.
	Well, they might be talking to each other.
	But Peter Thiel sent a message to his friends, this bank's not safe.
	Yeah, exactly.
	When you get an email from Peter Thiel says your bank's not safe, and it's in Silicon Valley, you get the hell out.
	Yeah.
	And then so I think what we will do is we will look up a year from now and we will have many less banks and the bigger banks will be bigger.
	And this will be a classic case of a hostile takeover.
	I look at, for example, the COVID lockdown.
	You say, oh, it's about money.
	I go, yeah.
	What it also did was it was a complete hostile takeover.
	Every mom and pop shop in the world.
	Yes, it was.
	And, you know, you can open Walmart, but you can't open Linda's Diner.
	What's that all about?
	Right?
	It just, it just, it, so it turned, it corporatized the entire globe.
	Okay.
	Profoundly.
	Let's go big picture.
	What do you think is happening?
	What is the overall game plan?
	And who is doing this stuff?
	Well, I'm in a doctor Zoom group that's had all the famous COVID battlers.
	COVID vaccine, ivermectin battlers.
	You name it.
	McCullough, Malone, they've all been through it.
	Or some of them are in it.
	Ryan Cole, the whole enchilada.
	Bobby Kennedy.
	One of the guys in there is a former NSA analyst and someone said, who's the they?
	Who is this they?
	Because we know the World Economic Forum is this garish operation that doesn't try to hide the fact that it's got the most fucked up ideas on the planet, right?
	So that can't be the story.
	So Klaus Schwab is some front to keep us talking.
	Sure.
	He's a cartoon villain.
	Petting his white cat and his Star Trek outfits and writing books that say nothing and stuff like that.
	But they say stuff that's bizarre.
	Yuval Harari's books, in my opinion, I'm one of the few people who think his books suck.
	Everyone rants about Sapiens and Homo Deus and stuff.
	And I read them both.
	They weren't that good.
	It's not simple.
	I've yet to run into someone who has convinced me they understand.
	There's Tom Luongo, who you should have on a podcast if you haven't had him.
	No, he was the guy who was defending Jerome Powell.
	He's pretty good.
	Oh, is that right?
	Oh, that's the guy you were talking to?
	Yeah.
	He's pretty good.
	He has this Davos versus US banks model.
	The problem with Tom's model, Tom is so smart and so thoroughly based in sort of facts.
	But we're all smart enough that with enough facts, we can build a model that's robust enough that we can hang everything else upon it without ruining the model.
	And it doesn't mean the model's right.
	So it's like a Christmas tree that's robust, you just keep hanging ornaments off it.
	We all have our models and it's very hard to knock yourself and say, ah, my model was all wrong.
	That's hard to do.
	His model is interesting.
	I've been doing multiple way podcasts with Tom quite a bit with this guy, Tommy Kerrigan, who's entertaining.
	There could be a US banking system versus Davos brawl going on.
	Could be China-Russia, you know, versus U.S.
	The World Economic Forum appears to have as its base case toppling the U.S.
	hegemon, right?
	So if you believe in a new world order that's not sovereign-based, so if we went from monarchy to sovereign state to what?
	If you want to get to a non-sovereign state-based system, absolutely positively, the first thing you got to do is knock out the US because we are the country that can project militarily globally.
	This is a sort of a Peter Zeihan model.
	Who I have a mixed rush about, but he's got some really good stuff, and he's got some opinions I don't buy, but he points out that the US is the only country that can project globally, that, you know, complete circumnavigate the globe militarily, and that it has allowed us to globalize.
	It's allowed oil to be shipped from anywhere.
	It's allowed goods to be shipped from anywhere, because no one dares do anything because we will kick the crap out of them.
	No, we quit projecting.
	We stop projecting power.
	The high seas go back to, you know, Barbary pirates.
	Right.
	So I'm anti-war, but that gives me pause.
	My problem with that analysis is that it half imagines the US to be the kind of good guys Well, no, it's just the US being self-serving.
	Yeah.
	And it happens to work pretty well for globalization.
	It happens to play into that.
	It has done.
	It certainly worked well for the interests of the predator class, I would call them, who've benefited from this.
	Who else is there?
	That's the problem.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	I mean, it's not like the Roman senators didn't care, right?
	The only reason they care about the little guy is when the little guy, instead of shooting laterally, starts shooting vertically.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	So it was ever thus.
	So then you've got... I mean, have you ever thought that there might be a sort of continuation, sort of...
	Yes.
	blood lineage, if you like, between the people who ruled the world in Roman times and the people who sort of ran the Venetian Empire and the...
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Here's an intro...
	I was talking to...
	This is just an introductory observation.
	I was talking to one of the COVID battlers who happens to be the Remdesivir fighter.
	Everyone picks their topic to go after.
	You got Eddie Dowd going after all-cause deaths and stuff like that, right?
	I knew Eddie for years before that, by the way.
	You keep him on the phone long enough and the guard drops.
	He said, you really want to know who I think China's opposing?
	I said, who?
	He said, the Catholic Church.
	My first thought was, Really?
	But then I thought about it and I go, you know, the Catholic Church, in theory at least, has been amassing power for 2,000 years.
	Its resources are sufficiently broadly based that if I look down into the Valley of Ithaca, I can see real estate owned by the Catholic Church.
	And so I'm not talking Catholicism, the religion.
	I'm talking Catholicism, the geopolitical entity.
	I'm talking Catholicism, the asset-based thing, whatever that is, whoever owns this shit.
	Like if there's a church downtown and they sell the church, who gets the money?
	Where does it go?
	Whatever that organization is.
	It's conceivable that underneath, at the very bottom layer, I'm just throwing this off for laughs, but the bottom layer could be the Catholic Church.
	It could be the owner third of the world.
	I don't know.
	I just don't know.
	And there have been some funny movements where the Vatican started calling money back into the Vatican Bank, but they were not big sums of money.
	But I know there's big sums of money.
	The Medici's, right?
	Where did the Medici money go?
	Where did the Rothschild money go?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	You mentioned the Rothschild, you get accused of being a Jew hater.
	I'm going, no, no, they're just a banking empire and they happen to be Jewish.
	Yeah, if you think I'm going to ignore the Rothschilds because they're Jewish for being accused of being anti-Semitic, you're going to bite me, right?
	I don't care.
	The Rothschilds were a banking empire.
	Well, they're not Jewish either, right?
	No, they're not probably, right?
	Because they marry.
	Some of these guys are banging infidels and whatever else, right?
	I mean, this is the thing.
	It does get really, really difficult because, I mean, I have Obviously, when you spend time down the rabbit hole, you get people who get really, really angry when you suggest that it is not the Jews who are responsible for everything.
	Because, you know, I get the point up to a point.
	They run Hollywood, they run the entertainment industry.
	You know, you look at the credits, look at the production credits, look at who are the producers, they've all got Jewish names.
	Look at the names of the big banks, the people who own... But as Dave Chappelle said...
	When he was talking about Kanye West's big blunder, he said, there's two words you never put together, the and Jews.
	That's really funny.
	So the bottom line is what?
	Millennia ago, when lending money was considered dirty and immoral, someone said, Oh, let the Jews do it.
	The Jews, being smarter than shit, said, we're okay with that.
	And they built empires, right?
	And they also I hate to use it because it sounds very stereotypical, but I believe, and I'm an atheist, but not I recognize the merits of religion, and I think they're being underestimated, but I'm myself not religious.
	So I've defended religion vehemently, but I'm not religious.
	But I also think that in general, they tend to stay within the tribe more than most religions.
	So I think a Catholic marrying outside Catholicism is nowhere near as hard as a Jew marrying outside the Jewish faith, right?
	And so I think they've attempted to preserve their way of life and that, therefore, keeps somewhat of a target on them, right?
	Yeah, I mean, my own kind of get out of jail free on that score, because it does get you into a lot of trouble, is I, at the moment, and I'm always learning, I think that the world is run by competing Mafia gangs.
	So you've got the Jewish Mafia.
	Right, right.
	I think that's right.
	By the way, I'm not even sure that they... Yeah, Meyer Lansky and, right, exactly.
	Well, yeah, well there's that.
	But also, I mean, when you go really down the rabbit hole, there is the question of are they actually Jewish in the sense of...
	Are they descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel?
	No, they're not.
	I mean, a lot of these people.
	They are actually the descendants of the Khazarians who converted en masse to Judaism in the 8th or 9th centuries.
	So they do not have the matrilineal connection with the tribes of Israel.
	So it gets really complicated.
	Who is a Jew?
	Who's not a Jew?
	And you look at the black nobility.
	Which are the royal families and the aristocracy of the world.
	Well, they're not all Jewish and yet probably they go back to the Romans and the Venetians and so on.
	And you mentioned the Catholic Church.
	The Catholic Church is not Jewish, almost by definition.
	That's my understanding, yeah.
	But I'm not knowledgeable enough to be anti-Semitic.
	So for me to say the Jews requires I understand this and I don't understand this stuff.
	So, you know, I read Neil Ferguson's book years ago on the Rothschilds and I came to the conclusion that he thought that the power had dissipated.
	Well, I think that's rubbish.
	I think it's absolute rubbish.
	Well, and then more recently I've read about, you know, sort of Rothschild empire derived power structures and I'm going, okay, so probably not.
	When you think, look, when you think that In the aftermath of the Battle of Waterloo, whichever Rothschild it was, Nathan or Mayer or whatever... The one who sent the message, right?
	He had 80% of the entire UK stock market, I think.
	You don't fritter that away on kind of gambling or... No, I don't mean dissipated.
	That says I mean dissipated by the infinitely branching tree.
	Yeah, rubbish, rubbish.
	I don't know, but I can imagine being rubbish.
	So you've got, we know the history of the Federal Reserve.
	We know the names of the families.
	I mean, well, I'm assuming Rockefeller was one of them.
	JPMorgan.
	But these guys are not Jewish, right?
	No, well, exactly.
	I don't think Rockefeller is Jewish.
	I think this is a sterile conversation in the sense that we don't know.
	It cannot all be the Jews.
	They're just one facet of it.
	Nevertheless, there is undoubtedly... the world is run by Genuinely evil people who loathe and despise us, who treat us like, who view us like cattle, and they are currently destroying us in myriad ways through the pharma system, through the food supplies, by spraying it.
	Are you up on Chemtrails?
	All of this.
	The Chemtrails story I don't buy, but if you look at what's going on in the food production world, it's certainly, someone's sabotaging it.
	And I've become increasingly concerned about GMOs, which two years ago, I didn't give any credibility to at all.
	I'm increasingly aware, thinking that maybe that could be where allergies and stuff are coming from and stuff like that.
	Totally.
	I don't know.
	I've done my homework on things like climate change and I think it's total crap.
	The GMOs, I'm just now Generally disbelieving narratives, and so I'm generally willing to entertain.
	Guys like Nassim Taleb, who's a smart bastard, truly detests GMOs, right?
	And so I've got to give Nassim, who one time gave me a two-hour tutorial on the Middle East, which had zero effect on my understanding.
	So every narrative you and I both know seems like it's full of crap.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I have this theory that the more we are told something is true by the mainstream, the more it is likely to be untrue.
	And the more fact-checkers, the more true that thing being fact-checked, right?
	The direct proportionality.
	Yeah, I was going to mention briefly about the GMO.
	I read a book about climate change, actually.
	I mean, I'm totally with you on climate change.
	It is an absolute, it is the, well, I say, I was going to say it's the biggest scam, but actually I think now the whole COVID nonsense is the biggest scam.
	Oh, here's the problem with climate change though.
	Climate change is not going to go away because you can always talk about what will happen in a hundred years.
	Yeah.
	That goes on ad infinitum and they're talking about $150 trillion.
	They're talking about, these are big numbers.
	So I think climate change is actually worse than COVID.
	It's certainly their Siegfried line, when the previous things have collapsed.
	Yes, no, you're right.
	It's sturdy, it's reliable, it's got dragon teeth.
	You can always go back to it.
	There's no way that the forces are going to penetrate that emplacement.
	Well, you just can.
	I mean, you can make all the arguments you want.
	I've given talks on climate change and no one's ever said, I think your talk's crap.
	But somehow it doesn't seem to penetrate.
	On the other hand, if I go out on Twitter and I do a poll, if you and I did a joint poll, we could go out and co-author a poll on climate change, I think we'd get about a 90% disbelief.
	But that doesn't matter.
	And that's one of my catchphrases.
	People say, well, you know, Oswald didn't kill Kennedy.
	I go, so what?
	What are the consequences of that knowledge?
	It's how climate change is fake.
	So what?
	They're still going to do it.
	They're still going to spend the trillions.
	They're still going to do the thing.
	Covid's killed people.
	So what?
	What are the consequences?
	I keep coming back to that.
	This is one of the one of the more frightening aspects of our time.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	It doesn't.
	The truth doesn't matter anymore.
	They go ahead and do it anyway.
	Doesn't penetrate.
	And by the time, there's a meme out there where it shows some guy saying something bad.
	It's a guy in the meme that says something like, you know, Hunter Biden's laptop is real.
	And then the woman below it's got this horrified look on her face and she's screaming and says, bring in COVID.
	And so as soon as we start smelling a problem, there will be a new narrative.
	The second we start pounding on a problem, they go, okay, that one's worn out, new narrative.
	I agree.
	It is whatever the current thing is, they want to steer the NPCs to the current thing.
	just so that I can make that point I was going to make so people don't people don't wonder what I was going to say about GMOs, which is that when I was writing my book exposing the nonsense about climate change and the entire industry and the ideology behind the global warming which is that when I was writing my book exposing the nonsense about climate change and the entire industry and the ideology behind the global warming industry, which They loathe nature.
	They loathe mankind.
	They hate us.
	They hate everything.
	But at the time I was saying, but the Green Revolution saved us.
	You know, GMOs, Norman Borlaug, blah, blah, blah.
	Created more calories.
	Right.
	Created more calories.
	Right, yeah.
	But my wife gets arthritis.
	I get arthritis in my, you know, creaky, late middle-aged claws.
	How old are you?
	How old are you?
	I'm 57, I think?
	Yes, that is late middle age.
	Jack can live to 114.
	I try not to think about it too much, because of all the things that start going wrong.
	Which is why I go fox hunting, in the hope that I die in the field, on a horse, before I have to succumb to these horrible wasting diseases.
	But anyway, she was seeing, what do they call these doctors, you know, like a real doctor, not a kind of... Physiatrist.
	Physiatrist, maybe.
	The ones that look after your whole body, anyway.
	A physiatrist would be a... Okay, okay, well, a good one.
	Something like a GP, yeah.
	And he said, he said to her, why don't you try giving up bread?
	For gluten.
	No, it's not even the gluten actually, funnily enough.
	What it is, is the strains of wheat they grow now.
	Oh yes, I've seen this story.
	Just recently, I watched a whole documentary on why the modern wheat is so bad for you.
	Yeah, that's it.
	Very strange.
	It causes an inflammatory response, so they've removed some key... In the same way, I don't know whether you ever smoked weed, Dave.
	Well, in the olden days, but I don't trust my brain to be able to.
	So I pretty much gave up.
	I started smoking weed in middle school, so I got a good head start.
	And I pretty much gave it up about the end of my junior year of high school and said, OK, while you're sharp or whatever, my friends were all stoners, but.
	OK, I'll tell you something interesting about weed.
	It won't be as interesting to you as it would be if you actually smoked.
	But in some ways, these are really good time for weed smokers because, you know, I mean, it's pretty much legal now in America.
	Right.
	It is.
	Yeah.
	In Thailand, for example, I think Eighteen months ago, you would have got a death sentence for possessing a certain amount of, a certain quantity of weed.
	Now it's completely legal in Thailand.
	That's a flip.
	All around the world, it's, it's, these are good time for, for weed heads.
	And you, and they have all these competitions where they grow all these strains, and you can go into your, your shop in California, or I don't know, about Can you get weed there legally?
	It's not hard to get it in Ithaca, I'll put it that way.
	You go a little north, but I'm told our first weed shop has actually appeared now.
	They'll make a lot of money because Ithaca is filled with potheads, there's no question.
	Long story short, this has to do with our discussion about genetically modified stuff.
	That what they want a lot of the weed you buy now is designed to completely fuck with your head is designed to just get you completely off your face without the sort of the beneficial sort of warm body feelings.
	And so what they've done is it exaggerates the THC content, which is the sort of the head fuck.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But what they've taken away is the corresponding CBD thing.
	So the CBD and the THC are kind of the yin and the yang of the total experience.
	Which makes me think that the marijuana industry is also controlled by Big Evil, because that's what they want to do.
	You think about it, they want the kids to be screwed up.
	They don't want them to have a mellow, satisfying, rounded experience.
	Anyway, If you smoke too much weed with too much THC in it, you do what is known as pull a whitey.
	You go green or pale and you have a bad time.
	And the way to balance it out, I'm told by a weed growing friend, is to have a few drops of CBD oil on your tongue to counterbalance... Interesting, interesting.
	The same effect I think is happening is they've done something to wheat, haven't they?
	The weed thing, by the way, Alex Berenson wrote a book on weed and talked about how dangerous it was and he got a lot of crap for it, but he went home one day and he said he read somewhere that weed was causing great damage.
	He said to his wife, who is a psychologist, And he laughed about it.
	She said, No, that's known.
	He goes, What do you mean it's known?
	He said, Oh, within the psychology world, we're aware that weed is just destroying people's fries, frying their brains.
	And he just didn't believe it.
	And he dug into it and wrote a book, Alex Berenson, the anti-vax Alex Berenson.
	Yeah, Alex Berenson, who cucked out.
	I mean, I used to be a fan-ish, but like a lot of people who sort of rose to prominence in the COVID wars, he just lost it.
	I can't remember why.
	I can't remember what the issue was.
	I don't follow him anymore because I think he's controlled opposition.
	Too famous now?
	Well, it's interesting you say that.
	I think a lot of the names that get cited have been steered towards prominence by the forces which we're fighting, I'm afraid.
	Interesting.
	So then the question is, what is Tucker Carlson?
	That's a really good question.
	In fact, it might be THE question, the most important question in the world right now.
	THE question?
	It's a profound question.
	I don't know.
	He certainly touches the third rail all the time.
	But I also am aware that the Harlem Globetrotters could not exist without the Washington generals to pretend to play basketball against them.
	And so it's possible that I read a lot of books on neuropsychology.
	So one guy asked me for investment books.
	I said, well, investing is not about investing either.
	It's about a lot of topics.
	But I've read a lot about totalitarianism and authoritarianism.
	You want a great book if you read The True Believer? - No, tell me.
	Some guy told me to read The True Believer.
	It's about half the size of a normal book.
	It's an easy read, written 1953 by Eric Hoffer.
	It dominated my 2022 write-up because it just got into my DNA like there's no tomorrow.
	So you will not regret reading The True Believer.
	It's about mob psychology and how movements form and what fuels them and what the various players are, and it's really a fascinating story.
	It just holds true.
	As you're reading the book, you're going, oh, there it is, there it is, there it is, there it is.
	You see it all around you.
	The guy started out homeless.
	He wrote this book and he became very prominent.
	I recommend that.
	I got distracted by something, but I remember there's part of the book where he says true leaders figure out where everyone wants to go and leads them there.
	That's pretty good.
	So I think that it's possible that, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about this where they studied lab rats playing And if a lab rat is not allowed to win occasionally, so a weaker rat, it will stop playing.
	And so when dogs play, they alternate the wins and the losses.
	I've got a little Boston Terrier about this big and a Labrador, and they play in a way where there's winners and losers moving back and forth all the time.
	And so the idea is that if you don't give, let's say, our team Occasional wins.
	We'll quit playing.
	Oh, by the way, Jordan Peterson's a wrongman as well.
	He's part of the trap.
	Well, I think the fame does it.
	I worry about it doing it to me because I do so many of these goddamn podcasts and at some point, so is there some transition where you're starting to stay stuffed because of your fame, not Not the stuff that got you the fame.
	It's like journalists who cease to be willing to pressure the topics of their journalism because they're protecting their Does that happen?
	Do you feel that that's a likely possibility in your life?
	I can't detect it.
	It's one of those things I might not be able to, so I'm not sure that if it's happening, I'm not sure I'd know it.
	But I do know that the mass percentage of the world underestimates the importance of propaganda.
	The average person just has no idea how much they're marinating in propaganda.
	I went back to Edward Bernays' 1928 book on propaganda and read that.
	Everything is propaganda, whether it's a TV commercial, whether it's your intro to your health food, which I thought was a good intro.
	It sounds like a good idea.
	Here's what stuns me.
	They're also selling it.
	Bernie's worked for Madison Ave.
	Then he switched over to CIA later in life.
	Here's what stuns me.
	I'm marinating in scientists.
	Once in a while, I'll bring up COVID.
	Now, COVID is an obvious target of opportunity for scientists just to get interested, right?
	Just if you're a science-y guy, you should care.
	I have one colleague who's as deep and dark as me.
	I have another who I can have rational conversations with, and he pays very detailed attention to the virus and the things that are claimed and myocarditis and why it's caused and stuff like that.
	Most of the colleagues I talk to not only don't agree with me, they're unaware of the debate.
	They're unaware that the vaccine may not work.
	They're unaware that it might be causing deaths.
	They just have dismissed it somehow.
	How can the scientists not immediately go, oh wow, this is fast, I'm going to dig into it, you know, late at night in my spare time.
	They know nothing.
	If I tell them the vaccine causes you to get COVID more frequently than if you're not vaccinated, they think it's preposterous.
	They've never heard this before.
	They've never heard about all-cause mortality going up.
	They've never heard that birth rates have been dropping.
	In Australia, they've dropped 80% I don't say that.
	80!
	80!
	It's too depressing, Dave.
	Can I segue back to an earlier point while continuing with this one, which is on Tucker Carlson.
	So I'm a Tucker fan.
	I love him.
	I love his delivery.
	I hated him before, by the way.
	I disliked him before.
	OK.
	Yeah, I quite like his preppiness.
	I quite like his, you know, His sassiness, his expressions, I love his expressions, but I'm constantly, like you, I'm constantly monitoring him for signs that he is not one of us, that he is actually an issue.
	Exactly!
	Yeah, and the issue recently, and this may come as a shock to you, The issue that I do not trust him on and where I think he's pushing.
	I think the whole thing about gain of function lab leak is a lie.
	It's just it's just it's designed to push an agenda.
	Am I saying that viruses don't exist?
	Yeah, I'm agnostic about that one.
	I haven't done enough podcasts on the subject.
	I definitely think that we are being steered by the evil ones into getting het up about, ooh, and now they can, in these labs that evil Fauci is setting up via a man whose name we know called Peter Danjak,
	In Ukraine and Wuhan, perhaps in cahoots with the evil Chinese, they've even been putting a bit of HIV in this thing, and it's so deadly, and there are all these viruses everywhere, so we've got to give the World Health Organization more power to make the decisions to protect us from this blob, yadda yadda yadda.
	Meanwhile, we're being distracted from the real issue, which is vaccine injury, the collapse of the financial system, CBDCs.
	You notice how we're being steered in this particular direction?
	So that's where I don't trust Tucker.
	I'm sure he's right about January the 6th, but does it really matter?
	It wasn't that in itself a kind of distraction, but I think he's been promoting the idea that... So here's why January 6th is not a distraction though.
	So January 6th is not a distraction because of the garishness in which they treated the January 6th, you know, post January 6th defendants.
	Oh, but in a way.
	Oh, do I think there's people in jail?
	Red Indian guy, whatever he's called.
	Well, he obviously he he he seems very likely to have been playing a different role going into that whole thing.
	He's just the flip side of Ray Epps.
	Yeah, I don't even think he's the flip side.
	I mean, he's on the same team as Ray Epps.
	Yes, he is, isn't he?
	And by the way, the other thing that I got wind of, and I'm now getting a little more wind of, is that there's a picture of QAnon Shaman at January 6th taking a selfie with a Ukrainian Nazi.
	A known Ukrainian Nazi.
	I think they imported Ukrainian Nazis for the shindig.
	Because they love Ukrainian Nazis.
	Well, you can also cap them when they're done doing what you need them to do.
	Because who cares if you cap a rank Ukrainian Nazi?
	So you can get them to cause trouble.
	Here's a question I like to ask people.
	You know, the left.
	The left have been using the dead cops as weapons.
	So we know that Sicknick supposedly died of natural causes, but that night, you know, since when does a cop come off duty and then die?
	That seems a little fishy.
	Four more committed suicide out of a total of about 200 cops.
	So to the extent that five out of 200 cops died, and I know cops, I said, Was there anything about that day that would make people commit suicide?
	No.
	Well, PTSD and I go, the cops would say, no, that was an off night in Chicago.
	And so if there really were five dead cops, then what the hell is going on, right?
	So I'll tell you what bothers me.
	What bothers me is the garishness of their schemes.
	So we've been offered this window into the darkness.
	And they're no longer they, who the they are, heaven only knows.
	They're no longer trying to get away with stuff.
	They're just throwing it at us and saying, we'll let the media clean up the mess.
	And that bothers me a lot.
	Because them trying to get away with stuff kind of kept them in check because they go, oh, we could never pull that off.
	And now they go, we don't care, we'll make sure the press just never mentions it.
	Okay.
	Can I read you something that is perfect for this?
	Somebody posted it on my telegram channel.
	It's from a guy, have you read this book?
	Michael A Hoffman II, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare.
	Sounds like a good book.
	It sounds great actually.
	What he says, the alchemical principle of the revelation of the method has as its chief component a clown-like grinning mockery of the victims as a show of power and macabre arrogance.
	And that's what you pick up out of authoritarianism.
	When this is performed in a veiled manner, accompanied by certain occult signs and symbolic words, and elicits no meaningful response of opposition or resistance from the targets, it is one of the most efficacious techniques of psychological warfare it is one of the most efficacious techniques of psychological warfare and mind I mean, that's it, isn't it?
	That's what they're doing.
	Well, and one of the things that supposedly is an extremely common emotion during the rise of authoritarianism It's confusion.
	So if you can get people confounded, then you kind of own them at that point.
	Again, people have to start reading about authoritarianism and totalitarianism.
	I have trouble keeping the two separate.
	Authoritarianism is the state and totalitarianism, I think, is more localized.
	I don't know.
	I have trouble keeping them straight.
	Who cares?
	Life sexism.
	Tomato, tomato, it doesn't really matter.
	Yeah, who cares, right?
	I read Live Not By Lies, which was Which was about preserving Catholicism in the Soviet Union, or Christianity, I should say.
	Yeah.
	And it talked about what people did to protect their kids, and that is tell them a lie.
	And so the kids couldn't go to school and say, oh, my dad says this, and all of a sudden you're in a gulag, right?
	So, and once you don't tell your kids the truth, then the truth gets lost, right?
	OK.
	And so we're kind of in the truth getting lost phase.
	I've now realized I don't know what history is anymore at all.
	No.
	At all.
	It's all made up.
	Right.
	Because I can see history being created right now.
	And Cariotti finished his book with a statement about that.
	He says, you know, there's a sense that in the end that it's all going to come out in the open.
	He says there's no evidence of that.
	Well, this is the thing, you know, at the beginning when we were talking, we've got to spend some time talking about Ukraine.
	Yes, absolutely.
	When I was asking you about chemistry, what I was really asking you was, it seems to me that every branch of academe has been corrupted to a greater or lesser degree.
	So, you've just mentioned history.
	I don't believe, There are these court historians, the people who get published.
	The publishing industry publishes stuff that they, the dark ones, the evil ones, want to publish, because the publishing industry is part of the brainwashing process, just like Hollywood is, just like the music industry, which is becoming more overt about its Satanism, about its sexuality.
	It's corrupt beyond measure now, the music industry.
	But history is about promoting lies.
	I think within that discipline there are people doing good science but what they've learned is shut up or you won't get funded so just do what you're doing and I've read papers about climate change where the paper says that
	That there's a problem with the narrative and then at the end they say and of course climate change is a fundamental problem and I go your paper just didn't say that your data doesn't support that same way it's just like the vaccine where at the end they say you know the vaccine killed more people but it's still efficacious you know and you go no it's not but you had to say it you had to say it you see I I think the whole field of virology immunology could potentially be complete bollocks um
	Have you looked into, I bet you haven't considered this, evolutionary theory?
	It's bollocks.
	Well, it's complicated.
	And I have looked into evolutionary theory a lot.
	And what's really complicated is where genetics meets the environment.
	And so turning genes on and off and stuff.
	The nature-nurture battle is just so much more complicated than I thought it was.
	So I thought it was kind of some of the stuff's nature, some's nurture, and it's just so much more complicated than that.
	So I generally am an evolutionist, right?
	I'm generally an evolutionist.
	I just think it's complicated.
	It can happen on a sort of micro level.
	I don't believe the macro theory at all.
	My dad, when I was growing up, used to breed guppies.
	And because guppies have a fairly breed, you know what guppies are?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, little tiny fish, yeah.
	Yeah, okay.
	So because they have a fairly short reproductive cycle, it means that you can isolate strains.
	Right.
	And mutant strains, and you can create new strains of guppies.
	You can be your own, you know.
	Right.
	You don't want to breed elephants to do genetic studies.
	No, no, you can do it with guppies.
	Right.
	And he invented these new strains of guppies, which won him lots of prizes around the world.
	So I believe in micro, but I don't believe in macro.
	I do not believe that things emerge from the primordial swamp and crawl onto land and then, you know, all the things we're told they did.
	I think that's a I haven't gone down that rabbit hole.
	I believe that life will populate every square inch of the planet and that the mutations allow it to get there.
	I do believe in natural selection and I do believe in the idea that what What's interesting, though, in evolution is the question of whether things evolve optimally.
	Someone recently in a book went through it and pointed out all the things that if you were planning it out in advance, you wouldn't design it that way, right?
	And so the idea is that actually we evolutionarily can hijack functions that they were not used for.
	So we've evolved, presumably in recent years, to be able to read better.
	Because those who couldn't read didn't survive well in a more modern society and readings kind of cobbled together brain function.
	It's not something that we primordially developed and so we hijack circuitry evolutionarily and so sometimes it's not optimized, it's bastardized.
	I'll tell you what we can probably agree on because this is one of the areas that really pissed me off in my researches into the whole Ecology.
	The idea that nature exists in some kind of perfect balance, a sort of steady state, which was the thinking of Howard and Eugene Odom.
	And I don't know whether you're aware, I've become a Christian, you know, a proper, like, Not a cultural Christian as I was, not embarrassed Church of England, but full-on Christian.
	I love my Psalms and one of my favourites is Psalm 8, when it makes it absolutely clear that God gave man dominion over the animal kingdom.
	It's not like we are just one species among many.
	- No. - Among many, that's just, and you'll hear priests now, a sort of trendy vicars really embarrassed about this.
	And they say, well, what it actually means is I prefer the translation stewardship over nature.
	It's not like we are kind of equal.
	No, absolute, absolute bollocks.
	And the reason, one of the reasons that God did this, apart from the fact that he totally loves hunting and wants us to go hunting 'cause it's cool.
	But one of the things is you only have to look at what a landscape looks like when it is not being I mean look at trees look at look at a forest when the trees have not been thinned out or or look at a look at a landscape look at a garden.
	Well, I have a different view on that.
	It just looks a complete mess in no time and all the weeds take over and it looks really crap that that actually nature needs us there to do our stuff and make it look optimal, which is what we do.
	Well, I have a different view on that.
	That's a thermodynamic argument of that.
	That is that it applies to our perception of nature and it applies to civilization.
	And that is that both the organized nature that you described requires energy.
	So the natural randomness that you say is just a mess, that's kind of nature running its random course.
	And in competing, but it really does go to maximum disorder in some ways.
	Civilization is absolutely true.
	So when you build a building, everything is against the thermodynamics of the building and tropically.
	So order, order, the building doesn't exist without the heat from fossil fuels.
	So heat is what battles disorder.
	And so modern society is exceedingly ordered because we got heat out of the fossil fuels and put into the system.
	Enthalpy battles entropy.
	Entropy is sort of the natural direction where it's trying to go disordered.
	Let a city go.
	Stop taking care of it.
	It goes to crap.
	Let your house go.
	Goes to crap.
	Goes to disorder.
	You keep putting in enthalpy, energy, the heat from fossil fuels, and that brings in the order.
	And so your image of nature is the image of nature which we've brought enthalpy to bear on it.
	Which may May explain, I'm sure it does explain, why the evil ones are so keen to take hold of energy.
	Oh, absolutely.
	To control our energy.
	Because, as you've suggested, it is kind of the key to everything.
	It's our way of making sense of our environment and our place in the environment, of controlling it.
	And if we can't do that, which is of course what they want us not to be able to do, they want us not to... At the moment in England, for example, They want to register all our chickens, even if we've only got two or three.
	It used to be you used to have more than 50 before you qualified for the attention of the state.
	They don't want us to be self-sufficient.
	They don't want us to heat our own homes.
	They want us to be reliant on these crappy heat pump boilers.
	Well, so here's an interesting question.
	So in a world where the authorities are garishly unwilling to care about us, right?
	That's kind of a way of putting it.
	The question is why have they not garishly said, let's put in nuclear energy?
	We went from just living off the land to burning wood, to burning coal, to windmills and hydro-powered stuff, to electricity and fossil fuels, the very next logical My point is to go to nuclear.
	We started and then we've stopped it.
	I know the claim is there's risk.
	The number of people who've actually died from nuclear accidents is trivial, completely trivial.
	My theory, by the way, and I wrote this two years ago, I said the next move is nuclear.
	But they don't want to have to fight Joe Sixpack on this.
	And so what they're going to do, this I wrote in 2021, what they're going to do is generate an energy crisis so that we beg for it, just like we begged for a vaccine.
	So the pipelines and all the stuff is to get us to the point where we said, oh, God, I don't want to go through another winter like that.
	And then they go, well, you know, we could put a nuclear power plant in if you want.
	They go, yes, bring us the power plant.
	I don't think so.
	I think the reason they resisted nuclear and the reason that they funded the anti-nuclear movement is because nuclear works.
	And they don't want us to have power that works.
	They don't want us to have abundant power.
	They want us to have... So they want us to be subsistence living is what you're saying?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Or dying.
	But look, I think we should definitely do Ukraine.
	Let's go, let's do it.
	That's what I wrote about.
	That's it.
	Of all the things right now, I mean, even those of us who've been, our comrades, if you like, who've been completely right about the pandemic, completely right about vaccines.
	They're wrong about Ukraine.
	And suddenly, on Ukraine, they've got blue and yellow flags in there.
	I mean, Do you find this?
	It's surreal.
	So I started paying attention to Putin.
	I went back and looked at my records.
	As your audience may or may not know, I write one blog a year.
	I don't know a worse way to market a blog than write one a year.
	But I write this one blog and it started out as a few pages.
	It now runs into the 200 to 300 page level.
	And it's basically what happened that year.
	And someone recently said, what are you going to write about this year?
	I go, how do I know?
	The year hasn't really started yet.
	So how would I know?
	Last year, so in 2015, I was the first pulse I picked up on Putin in my writings.
	And I believe that what triggered it was probably the overthrow of the Ukrainian president and Putin getting involved there.
	I think that's what probably triggered it.
	What was said to be the most blatant CIA-led coup in history, which is a very high bar.
	Ukraine is a polluted cesspool of an authoritarian state with nothing but corruption.
	The CIA has been running around there pumping weapons into a bunch of Nazis, not Metaphorical Nazis.
	We're talking real Nazis.
	Swastikas.
	Nazis.
	Guys who fought against the Russians during World War II.
	The guys who celebrate Nazism.
	These are real ones.
	And that's who the CIA's been funding for a dozen years.
	And now they're called freedom fighters.
	And Zelensky is a punk-ass bitch.
	And he's doing nothing to help Ukraine, in my opinion.
	He's bought and paid for.
	And I think I can make the case that we've been sending weapons to the wrong side.
	That gets me in hot water for some people, but I think the evidence is that Putin repeatedly tried to tell us, look, here is the dotted line you can't cross.
	I mean, it's like your wife saying, look, that girlfriend of yours, I just can't put up with it, right?
	You may want it, but you don't get to have her.
	It's her or me, make the call.
	And Putin repeatedly tried to say that and we just ignored him.
	We blew him off.
	And this particular war I believe NATO wanted to start, wants to perpetuate it, doesn't care if Ukrainians die by the hundreds of thousands, which they are, and then when it serves their purpose, it'll end and NATO will declare victory in some cockeyed way or declare defeat and blame Russia even more, I don't know.
	But it also could be the beginning, and I think seriously could be the beginning of the end of NATO in its current form.
	Because I think Europe should be telling us to go screw ourselves.
	Well, I mean, especially after your president blew up the pipeline.
	Yeah, and then tried to tell us it was the Russians.
	Yeah.
	Why would the Russians do that?
	The Russians are sort of supplying Germany.
	Well, Putin's crazy, right?
	Don't forget the Putin's crazy model.
	And so I urge people, my pinned tweet, it's my annual write-up.
	Now, here's what I'll also tell you.
	Let me do a plug.
	I never plug anything.
	No, you must plug it.
	I'm going to plug something, which is a guy named Bob Moriarty, a real old school gold bug, been around for decades.
	He published my first blog ever under a pseudonym, Thomas.
	And it was about a page.
	I mean, it was just nothing.
	He didn't even know that until I told him that that was my first internet writing of any serious kind.
	He took my annual write-up, which turned out to be, as he printed it out, 265 pages.
	He created a book and set it up to be published on Amazon.
	It's now on Amazon.
	Now, let me tell your audience, If you're crazy enough to read the book, you're probably crazy enough to buy it, even though it's free on the internet.
	So he put it up there, and it turns out I must have done, I don't know, 25 podcasts after it got released, before the book got released.
	So there's almost no reason to buy the book now, because it's three months in, right?
	But it's selling for some reason.
	And I'm making $10 a book, and I don't know why you'd buy it, except some people like books instead of... Well, did you?
	How many have you sold?
	275 or something.
	That turned out to be around $2,700 or something, right?
	But if I do it next year, and by the way, he went back to 2009 to 2012 and has already created that one.
	Hold on, hold on.
	We're, uh, we're talking, here's 22, and And this one is yet to be released.
	This goes back to the beginning, the first three years.
	And if you want to be a collector of an anthology, apparently they're all coming up.
	They're very sexy covers.
	Yeah, I know.
	If I do it next year, I think I'll upload it to Peak Prosperity with a slight delay and then put the book out there and somehow alert the audience.
	But why buy the book?
	I don't know.
	Except for he swears a lot of people would rather read a book than online.
	No, I think that's true.
	I'm old school.
	I mean, particularly for people of a certain generation, print is better.
	Here's what's key.
	The title is All Roads Lead to Ukraine.
	So this year I realised, and I wrote 70 pages on Covid and left it out.
	I just cut it out.
	You can see if you read it, you'll say, oh, it's coming as part three or something.
	And then I just said, screw it.
	There's so many people battling for the COVID space.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I like to write about stuff people are missing.
	So that I present, I think, a compelling story as to why the Ukrainian narrative is dead wrong.
	Dead wrong.
	Yeah, I think you look as I understand it the CIA have been in Ukraine since it the Ukraine since at least 1958.
	I think that they they they supported the the not you're right.
	These guys are real Nazis.
	There was a color revolution.
	I a coup in 2014 funded by George Soros and promoted by the cat up by the CIA yada yada yada.
	John McCain and Lindsey Graham and, right, the whole enchilada.
	Do we think – where are you on Putin?
	Is he a good guy, a bad guy, or just…?
	Well, that's too simple a question, because good guy, bad guy has so much meaning.
	There's no doubt that Putin is a tough guy.
	I broke a rule.
	When I put together a narrative like this, I put together Dave's narrative.
	So this is my narrative.
	What I try not to do is read books.
	The reason is I don't want to give you someone else's narrative.
	So when I read an article, it is a narrative, but at least it's a smaller pixel, right?
	And so I immediately gravitated towards the, oh, wait, wait, wait, this story is not being told correctly.
	And so I found all the different sources, MacGregor, Aaron Maté, Tucker Carlson, Black, Colonel Black, former state senator, various players, about 30 or 40 of them who were writing about Ukraine and picking up the alternative narrative.
	And what I brought to the story, I think, was I pulled them all together into one story.
	They were each telling their story, but it was not being brought together.
	So I wrote this when it was not cool to oppose Ukraine at all.
	And if you oppose Ukraine and you supported Putin, you are a douchebag.
	And now the world's starting to go, wait a minute, this Zelensky guy is really looking like a punk-ass bitch here, right?
	He's really looking like a bad guy.
	And so now all of a sudden you're going, oh, maybe I got this one wrong.
	Well, I got it.
	I wrote that before that was being said.
	You say that, Dave.
	You say that.
	Only yesterday I looked into my wife's newspaper.
	I don't read the newspapers at all, but wife out of habit gets a newspaper.
	And there was an op-ed by a guy I used to be friendly with.
	And he was saying, one thing we can agree on, that Ukraine is not like the Iraq war which divided us.
	This is an issue everyone is united on.
	That's just wrong.
	That's just wrong.
	Yeah.
	Now, I don't know the percentage because we'll never get a good read, but I'm telling you, my Twitter feed, if I do a poll.
	Well, that's a self-selecting audience, Dave, to be fair.
	Except for once it starts getting retweeted, it gets outside the containment field.
	Yeah.
	So if you get a big enough sample size, enough retweets, you are no longer staying within the narrow group.
	And sometimes I'll put out a poll where if I only have a binary question, I'll say, do you lean left or right?
	So I get a double read on the left wing and I get a read on the left wing's answers and the right wing's answers.
	You only get four Twitter poll answers.
	I think there's two worlds.
	A bunch of people say, "Well, I don't lean left or right," and I go, "Get a therapist." Yes, you do.
	I'm telling you, I think there's two worlds.
	One is the world of people who read social media.
	The other is the people who just get newspapers and watch TV and listen to whoever.
	And I don't think they're even, the Venn diagram is almost non-overlapped.
	Yes, I think you're right.
	That's true.
	And then the question is who's nuts, right?
	And we think they're nuts and they think we're nuts.
	So where are you?
	My big worry at the moment is that obviously the Russians are about to crush what's left of the Ukrainian army.
	They are crushing them in a very big way.
	It's upsetting if you think about these kids being rounded up in car parks and these old men who never thought they'd have to go to war.
	I mean, they're getting really desperate, aren't they?
	The Ukrainian regime.
	Yes, like Hitler Youth, right?
	It's when 14 year olds are being armed to go to go to battle, you got a problem.
	Yeah.
	And this is blood on Biden's hand, blood on Boris Johnson's, all these people who are pushing this awful, awful conflict.
	So, so we can see that the Russians are about to do what anyone who's got any understanding of the war knows they've been going to do for, you know, could have predicted months ago, which is they're going to crush the Ukrainian army.
	But you've got the Poles.
	Who are hungry for war.
	They want to reclaim ancestral territory around Lviv, I think.
	I mean, the Poles are going to move in, aren't they?
	And it's going to become... I don't know if they are, unless we give them the go-ahead.
	Well, it's not we, is it?
	It's not you and me.
	It's going to be... No, it's the US.
	It's the US.
	So, the tip off for me of Ukraine, by the way, the first hint was...
	Uh, the news was showing the war, and even Twitter was showing a war, and I'm looking at going, this is not a war.
	This is not Saving Private Ryan Scene 1.
	This is not, this is not, um, This is not day one of the Iraq war, watching Baghdad get lit up like there's no tomorrow.
	This is Russians moving in, talking to the populace, and I think the case is easily made that Putin thought he could bring in the troops, get Zelensky to the negotiating table fast, and not cause civilian casualties, not cause Russian casualties, and not destroy Ukraine.
	And what he underestimated, apparently, was NATO's resolve to cause holy hell.
	So I blame NATO 100%.
	I'm 100% anti-NATO in this war.
	I was strongly anti-NATO, but NATO has pushed this war.
	And so then what happens is all of a sudden, you know, they blow up the pipeline, they blow up the Kirchbridge, and all of a sudden Putin says, shit.
	So then he started taking out critical energy hubs.
	to make Ukraine a pretty miserable place to live in, but I think it was potentially not very expensive to rebuild.
	So he wasn't blowing up refineries, he was blowing up critical connection points and things like that.
	He also, I think his absolute goal, let's use the harshest of terms, was to exterminate the Nazis.
	And so I think Ritter said this the best, that Putin, he actually predicted it, pre-dict That Putin would fake into the cities, the Ukrainian defenses would pull back to defend the major cities, and then Putin would do an end run and head for where the military guys, the neo-Nazis, not the neo-Nazis, the Nazi-Nazis, were hanging out.
	That's why it was so bloody in Mariupol, because that was the home base of the Nazis.
	So he got them in the Azov style, and I'm pretty sure those guys all died.
	Yeah, it reminds me very much of what you read about the Eastern Front in the Second World War, where you've got the NKVD behind the troops, waiting to machine gun them if ever they show any signs.
	Every unit's got a commissar attached.
	Well, in the old days, they used to have the wives of the soldiers.
	Yeah.
	behind the soldiers with weapons.
	So if some guy came running, they plugged him.
	So, you know, this has been a problem since the dawn of war.
	So I think Putin thought he could resolve this NATO issue fairly painlessly. - Yeah. - And NATO said, "Oh, no, you don't." - So, which leads to the question, what do you think NATO's game plan is?
	What are they trying to achieve?
	Why do they so want to destroy Russia?
	Well, there's a combination of things.
	One is, I worry there's layers of the onion and I could be 28 layers away from truth, right?
	One of the theories I have is that, well, one is I think there's a bunch of cold warriors who simply have not accepted the fact that the Soviet Union is gone, and that no one in Russia really wants to regenerate the Soviet Union.
	It was a failed experiment.
	They know it.
	Putin knows it, right?
	And he might want to reassemble some countries, but not as the Soviet Union.
	He might want to get some control of some regions back.
	It's conceivable.
	I don't even see evidence of that, really.
	I see him trying to get control of regions for military tactical purposes.
	Right.
	So you got to control Crimea or whatever.
	But he doesn't want to send Russians back in body bags either.
	What he also, no one ever mentions the fact that the Ukrainians were slaughtering Ukrainians at the start of the war.
	Putin rolled into Ukraine to stop ethnic Russians from getting slaughtered.
	Sure.
	And that story never gets told.
	And tens of thousands of ethnic Russians had already been slaughtered.
	By these Azov battalion guys who were sort of like a Mexican drug cartel.
	Not big numbers, but brutal.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	They're like the ISIS of the East.
	Yeah, exactly.
	So I look at Putin and I go, I can't fault him for what he did.
	I think what he did was a completely rational move.
	Do you ever try this out on your undergraduates?
	I don't teach undergrads for this reason.
	They won't let me near them.
	I'll talk to someone who will listen, but again, it's back to my colleagues.
	I'm about to retire, so I have time.
	I'm transitioning.
	But my colleagues are busy.
	Chemists work very, very hard.
	Academic chemists, they put in long hours and, you know, it's not a five-day, eight-hour workday.
	The image of academia being a bunch of lazy guys with patches on their arm just sitting around drinking coffee is just false, just complete.
	These guys are, you know, 12, 14-hour day guys at 50 years old.
	They're banging it out.
	So they're busy.
	They're busy.
	But at high table or whatever it's, you know, whatever you congregate.
	I don't talk about this stuff, nor will they bring it up.
	One time my wife, we had friends over who were super liberal.
	One of them I can talk to, one of them I can't.
	My wife brought up the vaccine three times and every time I said, you don't want to go there, you don't want to go there.
	Finally, we went there and I lost my shit.
	And she was surprised.
	I said, I kept telling you, don't go there.
	And you kept going there.
	No, it's not productive.
	My colleagues think I'm nuts.
	One of them referred to the clowns that I hang out with.
	I said, you know, I know for a fact that my 2021 write-up was read by the former Secretary of the Treasury.
	I know for a fact that my 2020 write-up was at least being discussed to be uploaded into the congressional record for COVID.
	So these clowns you're talking about, you know, I've been on Zoom calls with Bobby Kennedy and Scott Allison.
	These are not clowns, right?
	But they think I'm just hanging around with a bunch of loonies who think everything's fake, which unfortunately, it's not true.
	But it didn't used to be true.
	Well, what isn't fake?
	You know, I would have said the moon landing, but I've read about that.
	It's always bothered me that the flag waved the whole time.
	And then I read an article that went through all the parts about the moon landing that are problematic, and I'm going, I want to believe it.
	I really do want to believe it.
	But the flag waving without atmosphere has always bothered me.
	Here's what I'll bet.
	The world is round.
	The world is spherical.
	I don't think the planet Earth is ever right.
	I might take you up on that bet.
	Oh my God.
	No, no, no, no.
	Here's the problem.
	I can't win.
	You'll either waste my time or you'll convince me and ruin my life.
	No, you'll be fine.
	You'll be fine.
	I'll take you to a happy place.
	Oh yeah, a happy place.
	Everything is a lie.
	Apart from chemistry.
	Chemistry is true.
	Well, no.
	It's a lie, too.
	I've spent my career debunking chemistry.
	Where science gets into trouble is when it meets politics.
	Although, for example, if I apply for a grant from the Department of Energy, I don't get money from there, but I'm told three pages on why I'm inclusive.
	There's a lot of It's so important, yeah.
	So I had to fill out a dean's report this year.
	We're supposed to fill out a section on what we're doing to be inclusive.
	And I wrote, I don't discriminate against anyone based on race, creed, or color.
	And then there was another section that said, what do you do that supports Cornell's values?
	And I said, well, when you guys When I got cancelled and you guys threw me under the bus, you made it pretty clear that what I say does not support Cornell values, so I'm just going to plead the fifth on this one.
	Good answer.
	Chemistry isn't intrinsically biased and unfair, because it favours certain elements.
	Isn't hydrogen kind of...?
	Well, here's a funny story.
	I'm an organolithium chemist.
	It turns out it's really complicated, and I liked it.
	That was what I was talking about.
	People would ask me about sodium, and in terms of sodium, the footprint of sodium in chemistry is tiny compared to the footprint of lithium.
	Part of it, I didn't quite know why, but I also didn't know how to study it.
	There's technical reasons why sodium is different than lithium for studying.
	And then I figured out how to solve those problems.
	So I started studying organosodium chemistry, and I thought it was going to be a mess.
	I thought I was going to find out there were problems like everything was insoluble, or everything was too unstable, or something was wrong.
	And it's working perfectly.
	And I sit there and go, sodium's been around for, I don't know, 4.5 billion years.
	And somehow this element in the periodic table, just no one touched.
	And I mean, it was just organic chemists simply left it alone.
	And I don't know why.
	I thought it must be because when we got into it, it would be a mess.
	And you go, well, that's why the empiricists tried it.
	It didn't work very well.
	And they moved on.
	But that's just not the case.
	So I'm about to arrange, and I developed last year, it's about to be commercialized by Alba Marley.
	I'm not getting a penny, unlike my book, where I'm making $10 a book.
	But Alba Marley's going to commercialize this thing because it's really good.
	And I'm shocked that literally chemists ignored this very important element.
	Organic chemists.
	Because it's boring.
	Because nothing happens.
	Well, it's not boring.
	That's the problem.
	It's not.
	It's really reactive.
	Organochemists like reactivity because that's how you form bonds and stuff.
	In 10 years of organosodium chemistry is alive and well, I'm taking full credit.
	I can give you an example.
	There's a lithium reagent that's one of the most prominent reagents in all of organic chemistry.
	I ask people, how many times a day does someone use this reagent?
	And they think about it and go, oh, thousands.
	The corresponding sodium reagent, and the lithium and sodium right next to each other, the exact same reagent for sodium, which has been around since 1959, there were seven papers total with that in it anywhere.
	So how do you take the lithium version at thousands per day and the sodium at seven times in a half a century?
	And it turns out we made it.
	We solved some minor technical issues.
	That works beautifully.
	And you go, how did it get left alone?
	Well, I think you've just you've saved sodium from years, decades of discrimination.
	4.5 billion years.
	I mean, that's what you should have said in your reply.
	What have I done for Cornell's values?
	I hate discrimination.
	I have combated in my field.
	That's exactly right.
	That's exactly right.
	I by the way am part of big pharma too.
	In this field where a lot of people thought I would destroy my career, this was considered to be kind of a killing field.
	The complexity I think people said you're going to get slaughtered, no one's going to care and whatever.
	Pharma discovered the importance of what we do.
	I was finding, for example, when I get invited to talk, it was about 80% pharma, 20% academia, and the pharma guys were picking up on it because they make things.
	We've made some of the pharma companies some pretty big money by finding ways to make things that they didn't know how to make.
	Well, I'm actually doing okay for myself and so I don't need more money.
	I mean, I'm happy to get it.
	yeah you know I get credit oh I see yeah yeah but you could think about well ego well I'm actually doing okay for myself and so I don't need more money I mean I'm happy to get it it's a way of keeping score but but I you know I you know if I had patented this thing that they're about to sell maybe I would have gotten rich I don't know but that's tend to block use also if there's a pet people say well I don't want to use it then because it complicates the story oh I see yeah yeah no I get that
	um Dave we could as I As we've discovered, we can just chat shit forever.
	So we'll do another podcast sometime, if you're up for it.
	Absolutely.
	Where can people find you and where can people buy your best-selling book on the Ukraine?
	Okay, so the book on Ukraine, if you go to Amazon, it's David Column.
	If you search that, there's not a lot of choices.
	It's called 2022 Year in Review.
	Again, 2009-2012 are coming up.
	As soon as we hit the 300 bookmark, maybe we'll release the next one.
	You can also find the free version in my pinned tweet.
	That's at David B. Collum.
	And I'm a bit of a Twitter hound like you.
	Yeah.
	Even that's another trap.
	Oh yeah, absolutely, but it's fun.
	You know, I was thinking, Dave, the other thing you should have said is I am the only out anti-Nazi professor at this university.
	I'm really and genuinely anti-Nazi.
	That's right.
	Yeah, that would be good.
	I'm the only overtly anti-Nazi professor.
	Yeah, I imagine you couldn't find many people on this campus who would side with Putin?
	No.
	In fact, they're hard to find.
	There's people who now know Zelensky's a punk, but you won't get people saying that.
	Actually, Putin's in the right on this one.
	You won't find that.
	I do not care.
	If someone wants to debate me, come at me.
	I'm fine.
	The first thing I'll do is send you the 42 pages I wrote on it.
	And you can read it and you can decide whether or not, by the way, it's more than that, because I've got sections in the first part, which is not explicitly Ukraine, where you need it.
	Remember Nina Jankowicz?
	Nina Jankowicz, she was that daffy chick who got put in charge of the Ministry of Truth, which is like the Department of Disinformation, which is very Orwellian sounding.
	And she was singing show tunes and stuff, and she's a total douchebag.
	And she she turns out After singing too many show tunes to be pulled down and stepped down from the position of Minister of Truth, who was very quietly replaced with Michael Chertoff, the former head of the NSA, and I'm going, holy shit, she was a distraction.
	This is your model.
	She was a distraction taking a turn up and we're all exhausted fighting Nina Jankowicz.
	And next thing you know, this total neocon gets put in the position.
	Well, it turns out Nina Jankowicz Her previous gig was running around Ukraine doing Psy-Op shit.
	You see, that's the thing.
	The conspiracy, the Psy-Op runs so deep.
	And I got this from Newsweek.
	A guy named Arkin.
	William Arkin, I think.
	And he said, if you dug it all into Nina Jankiewicz, you would have found all this crap.
	And he did a beautiful job of laying out what a book and and oh, let's let's go to Chrystia Freeland, you know, the trucker stopper.
	Christia Freeland stepping on the truckers.
	What a horrific story that was.
	I did a Twitter poll.
	97% supported the truckers and they stepped on them like bugs.
	It turns out that Christia Freeland, the number two in command behind the dildo Trudeau, is also in line to become Secretary of NATO, who also has Ukrainian roots, Ukrainian Nazi roots, and spend time running around Ukraine doing journalism. Ukrainian Nazi roots, and spend time running around Ukraine doing So all roads lead to Ukraine, and you got QAnon Shaman with his Ukrainian buddies on January 6th, and you got Zelensky's
	Patron in Ukraine, one of the Ukrainian oligarchs.
	Don't make me pronounce his name.
	He's CEO of Burisma.
	Where have I heard that name before?
	Burisma.
	Oh yeah, Hunter Biden.
	Yeah.
	I have to say, Dave, your book is well titled.
	You're making a good case.
	And how many bioweapons labs are in Ukraine?
	46.
	Admitted by the Pentagon.
	Have you seen that picture of Zelensky at the Gay Parade in New York in the 1990s?
	No.
	Have you seen that one?
	Send it to me if you can find it easily.
	If I find it, it crops up now and again.
	He's bare-chested and he's wearing a sort of flannel.
	Yeah, he was a different kind of character back then.
	And now he's got the hot wife.
	Oh, and then FTX, right?
	FTX was laundering money through Ukraine!
	Right back to the DNC, from the government, the United States government, through Ukraine, using FTX to get back to the DNC.
	FTX funded the clinical trial showing ivermectin doesn't work.
	It's just non-stop.
	You're right.
	So the Ukrainian bioweapons labs, what do you get out of having a Ukrainian bioweapons lab besides being offshore?
	Well, what you get is a country that has enough infrastructure to be able to support a sophisticated lab.
	So it can't be in Nigeria or something, right?
	You need better infrastructure, but also has enough losers where you can do your bioweapons experiments on people.
	You can't do bioweapon studies on lab rats.
	If you read Poisoner-in-Chief, I think by Kinzer, he does a lot of books like that.
	You know, medical experiments, particularly the MKUltra program, which I thought was maybe conspiracy theory only.
	I'm a conspiracy theorist.
	You're a conspiracy theorist.
	We spend our lives looking at the conspiracies saying, what's the story?
	Trying to find one that's wrong.
	And someone accuses me of being a conspiracy theorist.
	I say, yeah, what's your fucking problem?
	Right?
	You're an idiot.
	If you don't think men and women of wealth and power conspire, you're a total idiot.
	Yeah.
	And so I'm lost now.
	I'm just ranting.
	You're just getting the tail end rant-a-thon.
	But Ukraine is a huge story.
	Huge story.
	And it's all bad.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think to be continued, Dave, I made the mistake, perhaps, of trying to cover too many bases, where we could have just ranted for England and America.
	habit of dragging us in every imaginable direction too.
	So the best podcasters are the ones who somehow can corral me, but you did a fine job. - The problem is I like going off piste as well.
	So I don't- - Well, you and I, you said that in advance, you said the biggest problem is you and I are gonna agree on everything.
	And that's absolutely true.
	You're a little darker than me on some of the deep motivations.
	I'm still unclear on the population control theory.
	I get it.
	You're frankly gay on some issues, Dave.
	Gay on some issues, yeah.
	I'm a tranny.
	I don't know.
	I appreciate that.
	I appreciate the theory, and I certainly wouldn't bet my life it's not true.
	I mean, you know, Gates' father was a eugenicist, and eugenics was a huge topic in the turn of the century and stuff like that.
	And, you know, lobotomies were... Oh, we haven't even gone to Satanism.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And pedophilia, pedophilia.
	Holy, holy Christ is that a big one.
	Child trafficking in Ukraine.
	Child trafficking, yes, and Epstein.
	Oh, by the way, we hear about how chronic child trafficking is and we never discover the people receiving the kids.
	No.
	We never.
	They're not selling these kids to people in trailer parks.
	These kids are expensive.
	Yeah.
	And the drug they produce is even more expensive.
	Right.
	And so the child trafficking story, I believe there actually is a big global pedophile.
	Pizzagate has truth in it.
	I just don't know where you find it.
	I don't know what's nonsense and what's truth.
	But I'm convinced that there is a large network of pedophiles who are all working together.
	Dave Collum did not kill himself.
	You just froze up.
	Oh, sorry.
	At the key moment, I said, Dave Collum did not kill himself.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If I kill myself, I didn't do it, right?
	This is like McAfee, right?
	If I kill myself, it's not me.
	I'm not McAfee.
	You need a dead man's switch.
	I don't know Hillary, right?
	I'm not one of the 160 odd people who mysteriously die from knowing Hillary.
	No, she's a good woman.
	She's a good woman, yes.
	Hillary, I'm going to vote for you if you're wrong, right?
	And you can't replicate my handwriting in the suicide note either, so give it up.
	They'd never get my style.
	They'd completely screw up.
	There'd be too many tells.
	Exactly.
	And I'd embed some information in there that would tell them.
	But then, of course, then we'd end up with the, but so what?
	Well, that's it.
	So Twitter will talk about Dave not killing himself and then it'll be so what, right?
	Yeah.
	Even if you put sort of a like, like on the side, sort of Hillary did this.
	You can tattoo it on your ass.
	So what?
	Right?
	You know, Hillary did this and it just wouldn't matter.
	It's like, yes, but what did Kanye say today, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We have our equivalents, yeah.
	Dave, it's been great talking to you.
	Where can people find your stuff apart from your best-selling?
	Well, so my year in review is at Peak Prosperity, or the book, and David B. Collum at Twitter, and otherwise there's just nothing.
	I'm a faceless, nameless person.
	OK.
	Right.
	And if people want to come and learn about chemistry, they can just rock on up to the Cornell campus and say... Oh, yeah.
	There's no chemistry.
	My Twitter feed has no chemistry.
	What's in a blue moon?
	I posted something on my website that was useful, and I tweeted it, and the chemists all jumped in and said, thank you very much.
	We really appreciate that.
	Something really useful on the website.
	And all of a sudden, the chemists showed up and numbered.
	I go, oh, well, apparently they are listening.
	Oh, that's good.
	Yeah, but I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Well, let's do another one soon, I hope.
	Let me just remind my beloved viewers and listeners, I really appreciate your support on Patreon, on Locals, on Subscribestar, on Substack.
	You can buy me a coffee.
	Otherwise, the enemy will win, so you must give me money to make me happy and to support me in my work.
	And check out some of the stuff that I was Advertising at the beginning.
	It's I mean, it's it's genuinely good hunter-and-gatherer.
	I'd absolutely love it And I have a real problem eating shit mayonnaise now with cedars.
	I mean you can't you just poison yourself So yeah, go for it.
	Oh, you can save all that money and buy my book Yeah, well you were offering a 10% discount Right, I'll see you then Dave.
	I'll see that was great.
	Okay.

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