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Feb. 26, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
01:05:31
James and Laura's Chinwag #14
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Anyway, yeah, I mean, how has it been then?
Well, I've been keeping, like, super fit in the lockdown.
Oh, okay.
Right.
I mean, when I say super fit, you know, I'm not like Joe Wicks.
Yeah.
keeping like super fit in the lockdown. - Oh, okay, right. - I mean, I might say super fit, you know, I'm not like Joe Wicks.
- Yeah.
- No, I'm not like, but I mean, because there's still all else to do, I have been running a lot.
So apart from when I had my Lyme disease knockback.
Anyway, so what happened was I went for a run and then I was doing my exercises, my stretches afterwards.
And there was one involving a weight and my lower back went ping and you know, ow, ow, it hurts.
Yeah, I play a lot of tennis, so I get all the men that they're backed out doing inappropriate serves.
So you've done it in weight.
But yeah, this is a theme, I notice.
Do you know who my favourite tennis player is?
Who?
Maria Sharapova?
No, no.
Annabelle Croft.
She's one of us.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, I need someone modern.
I would prefer for you to say somebody who didn't play with a wooden racket.
Maybe she didn't.
I'm being mean.
Oh, I know.
I'll tell you who.
Yes.
What's his name?
Novak Djokovic is my favourite.
Do you know why?
A lot of people don't like him.
I think people are unfair to him.
Obviously, I really like Federer.
But Djokovic is alright.
I don't like Nadal.
I can't be doing with the twitching.
Do you know about Djokovic?
Why I've singled him out?
Oh, he's not down with the Covid, is he?
No, no.
That's right.
Again, he's one of us.
He won the Australian Open and didn't wear a mask when he went to pick up his prize.
And when the tennis woman, the woman in charge of the Australian Tennis Federation, She tried politicising the event and she started praising Dan Andrews.
Dan Andrews is the Premier of Victoria.
Victoria, as you know, has had the strictest lockdowns anywhere in the world, actually, pretty much.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe where you get shot, possibly.
But Dan Andrews was the guy who's I mean, it really was fascism come to Australia.
There were these horrible stories about drivers being questioned on where they were going and when they when they did, they didn't cooperate.
The police smashed their way into the car.
I saw that.
Yes.
And there was that pregnant woman who got arrested anyway.
We've been fed this line that, you know, yeah, Australia's love.
Australians love Dan Andrews.
He saved their state from this.
You know, they've got zero COVID.
But actually, it's clear that the feeling isn't universal because he got booed.
He got booed.
The Tennis Federation woman got booed.
By the crowd at the Australian Open.
I think we need more booing.
Yeah, well done Djokovic.
Because, you know, it's so difficult not to go along, as we know, with the crowd.
And, yeah, well that's... Of course Federer just... We should talk... We should move on.
But Federer, of course, said, I'm just not playing it.
Because he, of course, rightly said, yeah, I want to play with a crowd.
So I haven't seen... I don't know when he's planning to come back.
But way, way, way back.
You know, when this first happened, they said, oh, well, you can play, you can play behind closed doors, etc.
I was like, yeah, what's the point in that?
No, I can't be doing with that.
No, I totally respect.
I play for the crowd.
Yeah, yeah.
Also my favorite.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, he's hard not to like for many, many different reasons.
So let's do the vaccine.
So this is Stephen Glover.
I've only sped it up.
Listen to this garbage, right?
Most of us would feel much more relaxed about going into a pub.
So now we're talking about pub.
We're not talking about international travel, right?
Still more a throbbing nightclub if we knew that our fellow customers had all been properly immunised.
Oh, okay, Stephen.
It's all about making other people feel comfortable, isn't it?
I'll wear my stupid, dangerous mask to make you feel comfortable.
I will take the experimental vaccine to make you feel comfortable.
They are shameless.
OK, let's just do the vaccine.
So the government have lied to our faces for months, right, denying that they were going to do a vaccine pass, which we all knew was an out and out lie.
Then what?
Then Boris drops it in on the day of the ridiculously slow roadmap.
Okay.
So people, people are so grateful just to get a date, right?
I mean, because we all have Stockholm syndrome, including me.
So then he just dropped this in going, yeah, yeah, we're going to review it.
Yeah.
Michael Gove, who might as well have horns, right?
Who's so evil and is so lost.
He literally might as well have horns.
He's going to review it.
So that's only going to go one way.
Um, and, uh, yeah, we might just have, yeah, we, we just said, so this was obviously the end game, the vaccine and probably even more so the vaccine passports.
And it's so obvious that, A, they're doing it just to scare people, get people to take the vaccine.
They actually admitted that.
That was in The Times.
They said, one of the reasons we reckon that this review will cause people to take up the vaccine more.
And it's like, yeah, well, we knew that.
And also, no, I'm not going to give you my medical history so I can get into a pub.
What has really got me down the last couple of days, because I was happy-ish on Monday, again, because I suffer from Stockholm Syndrome, but then you look at it overall and you're like, this guy, Boris Johnson, he has just turned this country in a one-way street to fascism.
The whole last year, he has held us to ransom.
He has held us to hostage.
Now we're supposed to be grateful that we can send our kids to school or whatever and we can go to the shop.
We're supposed to be grateful for that.
It's in his gift.
And then he's going to finish it off with some massive battle, which I hope we'll win, you know, over vaccine passports.
And you're just like, again, he's... Again, I flip-flop on the evil and I'm like, no, he is, he's just evil.
He's destroyed the cultural traditions and the legal traditions of this country, buried it in unknown levels of death, and he'll just piss off in four years' time and we're going to be left with it.
I mean, there are no words.
He wouldn't have been able to do any of this if he did not have so many willing accomplices.
Did you see... This is just a sidetrack.
Go on.
Kennedy?
Do you know who this woman is?
No, I haven't heard of her.
But she's an author.
Right.
I imagine she wrote a book like, you know, My Big Transgender Vagina or something like that.
You know, some children's book.
Right, right, right.
I'm just guessing.
I don't... I've never read it.
A word that she's... Well, not a book that she's written.
But she's about and she's very gobby.
She's got like over 200,000 followers on Twitter.
Yeah.
And she's very pro-lockdown, very pro-mask.
And she actually said, she tweeted out something like, I think I want to wear my mask forever and I love wearing my mask.
Yeah.
These are the kind of people who mean that Boris Johnson is pushing at an open door.
And that example of Stephen Glover there, there has unquestionably, whether it's been Actually coordinated, you know, the sort of quiet phone calls being made to Stephen Glover or to the editor of the Daily Mail or whatever.
There's been a few of them in the mail.
I forget who else went for it.
Well, there was Stephen Glover.
Dominic Cummings' wife in The Spectator.
That's the example I was going to give.
Mary Wakefield on The Spectator.
Now, Mary Wakefield normally writes really measured pieces, which she has her finger on the pulse of conservatism.
I mean, she's in editorial conferences at the Spectator.
She's the go-to person for what would a really conservative, traditional base think.
And she's written this piece completely out of character, essentially saying that we should give away all our freedoms, reveal, as you say, our medical information, because And she couldn't really provide a reason.
There was a point where she briefly engaged with one of the fundamental problems of vaccines, which is, hang on a second, given that these things don't even give you immunity, they don't stop you getting it, they don't stop you transmitting it, Why would you have a vaccine passport to make you take a vaccine that doesn't actually work?
And she raised this and she'd go, just sort of ignore it completely.
And there was a piece, I think, in the same magazine by Rod Liddle, who's the kind of the rebel.
And Rod too, the rebel too, was up for vaccine passports.
Stephen Glover, he's the kind of, he's the male's voice of, he's the kind of, Thoughtful, intelligent male columnist who takes a good hard look at an issue and comes out with a not-standard male line.
And look what he's done!
When was the last time you went to a nightclub anyway?
I mean, that line about throbbing nightclubs.
You talk about the Conservative base.
Look, I still think a lot of the Conservative base, I'm afraid, and a lot of them in the home counties, again, certain age groups, 50 to 70, all went for this.
And again, the reason it's not high-minded, it is literally down to, I mean, it's there in black and white hive comfort.
Can you please disclose your medical history, destroy our entire tradition of not having papers, please?
Because I'd like to feel a bit more comfortable You know, in the pub.
It's always been down to their comfort, their selfish desires to be protected from, you know, the non-flu.
And that, I'm afraid, is what the Conservative base is now.
Well, a lot of it.
A lot of it.
But not our listeners, Laura.
Yeah, yeah.
People like you and me and our viewers who care about actual principles and what we're going to leave behind, as opposed to, you know, my comfort at the pub, haven't gone along with this.
It's just astounding.
Well, I agree.
Here's the thing, Laura.
Yes.
I said Stephen Glover, he's one of those kind of authority columnists, you know.
Stephen Glover says he's got a sort of lapidary quality.
And he's completely sold the past here.
Yeah.
Stephen Glover hasn't looked and Laura and Mary Wakefield hasn't looked and Rod Liddle clearly hasn't looked into the what's going on behind the vaccines.
The fact that there have been A significant number of deaths, number one, in old people's homes from some of the vaccines which seem to damage your white cell count for about a week and reduce your immunity.
So people are dying.
Old people are being killed by the vaccine, number one.
Number two, not just the Pfizer vaccine, but even the AstraZeneca vaccine.
I don't know why I'm calling them vaccines.
They're not even technically vaccines.
They both have mRNA modifying ingredients in them, which actually can screw with your DNA.
So these are experimental.
We are being railroaded into experimenting on our own bodies, allowing the government to experiment on our own bodies.
Everyone, everyone viewing this, I'm sure they will anyway, should say, I am not taking the vaccine.
My kids are definitely not taking the vaccine.
This is wrong.
Over my dead body.
But I'm already seeing people on Twitter saying, yeah, well, I know the vaccine's bad, but my holiday in Greece.
And you're thinking, hang on a second, this is the biggest assault on freedom probably ever, actually.
I mean, you know, the idea that the state can now inject foreign substances in your body containing things that actually change your your DNA.
And we're just supposed to go.
Yeah, but whatevs, you know, my holiday in Greece, I want to go down the boozer again.
You know, pull yourself together, people.
No, I know.
I said this to a friend of mine yesterday who I was kind of half joking to her.
I didn't.
I mean, it does show how cheap people are, how much they're willing to sell out for.
And a lot of it is so I can go to Benidorm to get sunburned, drink too much beer and get in a fight with the locals.
I'm willing to take an experimental vaccine to be able to do all that.
I texted back to her and said, I know Brits Abroad is going to happen, because they have to get there, they have to get sunburnt, etc.
And she's like, yeah, I'll take it.
She's young, she's my age.
I'm like, what's wrong with you?
But how cheap can you be?
Like that that's what you'd be willing to sell out for.
Maybe she doesn't think there's a big problem with the vaccine.
I don't know.
But I mean, I've already accepted I won't be going anywhere foreign anytime soon.
I would like to go to the club because it's my human right to do so.
And I think, you know, and then people will go, it'll be all right.
Boycott!
Boycott!
No, I don't want to boycott people.
I just want I want my life back.
I just want my civil liberties back.
I want to be able to go, I obviously don't go to the pub that much, I want to be able to go to my local pub and have a drink, or a non-alcoholic drink if sometimes is the case, with my mates.
And I've decided what I will do, I think is better, is instead of doing the whole boycott thing, If they start, especially places I know, and like local cafes and local places that we've always supported, and the minute they were open we supported, etc, you know, we went to them.
If they start pulling this stuff, I'm just going to say, look, I can't believe that you are collaborating with this fascism.
We are a local here and you are barring me from this establishment because I'm not willing to disclose my medical certificate to you.
Can I speak to the manager or whoever?
And I'll just leave it at that.
And if they say no, I'll go.
But they should feel shame for it.
People should feel guilty.
You know, this is just... But I tell you, I have some hope that these vaccine passports won't happen.
Because, for once, the people on the left are also against it.
The Unite are against it.
Liberty are against it.
You'll get all the lefty human rights lawyers who have been very quiet up until now will be against it.
So it's going to be a much broader coalition.
And also... Yes?
Black people.
B-A-M-E people.
I've never felt so black in my life.
It's just fantastic.
The obvious lawsuit is that it's indirectly discriminatory against ethnic minorities.
So you don't have to be intentionally discriminatory, but if you can show there is a disparate burden and it would disproportionately discriminate against them, that is usually enough.
to for the measure to sale.
So look, I mean, they can do things like look, your silly NHS app that you already downloaded.
Yeah, we're going to show your vaccine passport on that.
And you can but the question is, What they will probably do is they will allow that facility on your mobile phone.
There's very little you can do about that.
The question is, you know, can establishments, can employers legally bar you entry without showing that ping on the mobile phone?
That's the question.
So it will necessitate someone taking litigation.
So it's just painful, right?
It's just going to be hassle.
I want to look into why do you think it is that ethnic minorities are better informed about vaccines.
I don't know.
It's a very well is it that or is it I mean you have to be you'd have to really research it I don't know is it that just less trusting of the authorities is it that they're overall younger um yeah I think I think I think there's people in there who've got a hotline and and and the they to the to the facts and and they're a sort of You know, word spreads.
I think it's like that.
But you're right.
Yes.
Go on.
Well, you were talking earlier about how cheap people are, and I'm afraid to say this is the consequence of a culture which has given up on God or any sense of Of purpose in their life, other than self-realisation and hedonism.
That's all people can think of now.
It's all about them, them, them.
I want a holiday.
I want to go down to the pub.
I don't care whether the government's forcing me to do this.
We are building our own gulag, our own concentration camp.
Whenever Bernardine Kennedy tweets shite, I want to wear my mask forever, or whatever.
I'm not quoting exactly, but I love my mask.
When people say, I will take this experimental vaccine being forced on me by the government so I can go to the pub, that is the sign of a people who don't really deserve their civilization.
And I mean, I'll just drop this in lightly, Laura, because you're not there yet, but I'm telling you, What is coming?
The vaccines are the next step towards having chips inserted in us, which will force us to behave like we're in a Chinese social credit system, whereby our behaviour is monitored, whereby the authorities can control how far we travel, they can monitor where we're going, they can decide whether they want to
Completely cut off our income stream because once they succeed in abolishing cash, which by the way, did you notice this?
This is really sinister.
Yeah.
At the beginning of the pandemic, why were so many?
Why were so many people, so many outlets on board with this idea that actually cash was a bad thing?
Yeah.
No, I know.
They wanted you to use your card.
Can you use your card?
Yes.
That was... How did they know?
Somebody had told them.
There are forces at work.
I mean, I don't mean like they're the Mr. Wrongs, but we don't know who they are.
But there are organizational structures which are briefing shops to say not to use, not to take cash, but cards are preferable.
And in the same way, the brainwashing operation which began Impressively early on in this fake pandemic, whereby every garage had a kind of rainbow NHS sign and it was talking about propaganda for the NHS.
Where did this all come from?
It was all very organised into making us scared about this Bad flu.
More scared than normal.
And so that we'd accept all the increasingly authoritarian measures the government took to protect us.
People will start to wake up to this, but we need to wake up soon because this is only going to be solved by actual demonstrations and rebellion against the system.
Yeah, well, look, I mean, I think the amount of power the state has grabbed and exercised over people's lives is just unprecedented.
I mean, for a lot of people today, they are completely dependent on the state right now.
All their furlough payments are from the state.
They have to pay by card.
You know, they go in and get their vaccine.
So much of their critical parts of their lives will be now dependent on the state.
And of course, they're probably grateful for that, right?
You get, again, you're affectionate to your hostage taker.
So it's going to take a big, you know, and then of course there's RNHS, which is just an insane level of sort of psychological attachment to an institution that, because it exists, you had to give up the last year of your life to protect.
So, you know, I mean, right now they must be feeling pretty confident, right?
Because they've thought, well, they've gone along with so much already.
They're going to go along with anything.
They wear the masks, even though masks don't work.
It's not just that they don't work.
They're actually dangerous.
People are contaminating themselves.
They are dangerous physically and they're also dangerous mentally.
Oh, yeah, I saw a photograph that I really, if we get to write the history book, should be in there along with your Nazi officer.
You know, checking the papers of the Jews, where you've got Boris Johnson standing behind wearing his mask, right?
And then you've got a teacher, I presume it's in the school he was in a couple of days ago, a teacher, all in her, you know, her plastic and her mask, and her plastic mask, right?
And then the student, the poor student sitting down, I don't know why she'd be in, but sitting down in her uniform, in her mask, basically ready to be tested and you're like because I mean this is just it was in the mail I was like this is this is It's so abusive that, first of all, you have the Prime Minister there standing over her, and you have the teacher standing over her.
And I think it's very noticeable in terms of, you know, who is dominating who, and then the poor student.
And I have to say, what they are proposing to do to those secondary school children.
My eldest is in year six.
I'm just glad that she's not in year seven.
I'm thinking, what would I do?
You know, what is it like four tests, masks for weeks, which won't be for weeks.
It'll be until the end of the summer.
And you're just like, you are, this, this is abuse.
This is, this is completely abusive.
There's an article in the BMJ saying how dangerous it is for people to be wearing masks for that long.
It totally affects their breathing, gives them headaches.
It's also like just so psychologically damaging, right?
To be tested four times, like you're, you know, you're diseased.
There's something wrong with you.
I mean, I think I would probably just take mine out until at least Easter.
Try and go somewhere if possible, and then just slip her back in.
I don't know, but there's no way I'd subject her to that.
I mean, it's outrageous.
I would not want my children at school wearing masks.
And apparently it's advisory rather than compulsory, but I can't... Okay, so it's going to take a brave child that's going to risk hospitalism.
The problem is, is that you have to be the one that says no, and then all the other, and of course all the other parents are such cheats, they'll all just be like, yeah, yeah, you know, because of course they're desperate, understandably I guess, to get some of them back.
And that's the thing, you've created this situation where people are so desperate, the kids are desperate to see their friends, you know, the parents are desperate for them to go in school, that you'll accept pretty much anything.
You know, if they said, look, they have to take the vaccine, I reckon 80% of them would be like, yeah, OK, doesn't matter.
She's 14.
Who cares?
Like, oh, this is a scary thing.
But it is.
It is Brave New World.
Have you have you read Brave New World?
Like twice.
Yeah.
OK, so so you remember that people don't have that you don't have sex to reproduce.
You just have it recreational if you're an alpha.
And you're sort of created in labs and you've got the alphas and the betas and the different levels of, which actually is how it's going to be.
Science dominates actually in a brave new world.
That's what I noticed.
If you, you know, the scientists, they're the elite.
They are the elite.
They can control everything.
They can predict everything.
Yeah.
So that's, so, so that is technocracy.
Aldous Huxley wrote it, published it, I think in 1932.
And the technocracy movement began in the 1930s and became really quite a big thing.
And then it went into abeyance and got revived in the 1970s.
And technocracy is what we see in the Great Reset, also United Nations Agenda 21, a lot of the EU policy.
Boris Johnson's Build Back Better slogan, which, by the way, this morning we got a leaflet from the Conservative Party saying, you know, you can renew a membership for just £10 a month or something, or £10 a year, whatever.
They're desperate.
And on the list of things that they were going to do to titillate us and seduce us into signing up was Build back better.
So they're being really quite open about embracing the Great Reset.
Anyway, going back to Aldous Huxley.
I mean, I think he's visionary.
I mean, he really did get it right.
We thought we were going to get 1984, but instead what we've got is Brave New World.
And there are no politics in Brave New World.
It's beyond politics.
It's all over.
It's all been decided.
Tiny, tiny elite controls the rest of the world.
But outside the cities, there are people who live lives like old humans used to do, that they procreate having sex and so on.
This is also the proletariat in 1984 is the equivalent, isn't it?
Wherever they live, yeah.
We are people like you and me and those who those who reject the vaccine.
Almost the best we can hope for is that we can become like those wild creatures outside the reservation or on the reservation even.
I think it is called a reservation.
I forget.
But but that's how it's going to be.
And Those who have had the injection will have been given the mark of the beast and they will have been absorbed into this system whereby everything you do is controlled.
You can't even get money without behaving yourself and without taking the right vaccine updates.
You know, a bit like software updates.
That's how it's going to be.
That's why Bill Gates is so into the vaccine programme.
It's like a version of Windows.
Well, he'd invested heavily in vaccines, I think, I believe.
This is all coming.
People watching this, if they were to really depress themselves, and you should do it too, I'm afraid.
It's really depressing.
Watch my two interviews with Patrick Woods, who talks about the origins of the technocracy movement and where it's going.
But also look at the interview that Catherine Austin Fitz did, which YouTube keeps trying to get rid of, but you can find it on, I think, Vimeo and stuff.
She's a very sensible woman.
She worked in the finance sector.
I think she worked in the Reagan administration.
Right.
So she's she understands the world and she's very level headed.
But what she describes coming is just it will give you nightmares.
But yeah, no, it'll give you nightmares.
But at the same time, it's oddly reassuring to tell you what it does.
Yeah.
You finally understand what is going on.
Big picture.
Yeah.
Finally, finally, everything makes sense.
And what you realize, Stephen Glover, Mary Wakefield, Rod Liddle, they are all building their own concentration camps.
They think they'll be the alphas, I guess, as usual.
They think that the really bad stuff won't affect them.
They're probably building their own lifeboats.
People think that.
That's a good point actually.
Number one, no journalist is anywhere near the kind of the alpha level you need financially in order to be part of that elite.
We're talking about Bill Gates, talking about Elon Musk, people like that level you need to be on board with.
You need to be the kind of person who gets invited to speak at the World Economic Forum.
I mean, that's their market.
You need to have a private jet.
But Catherine Austin Fitts asked this question.
She says, or rather she raises this point, which is, why would People participate in this program where the end game is the enslavement of the human race, and it is, by this incredibly tiny elite.
And she said a lot of these senior people seem to imagine that they can opt out of the system, that they'll just make enough money and then they'll kind of go off the grid and get their stuff from Whole Foods and their kids will live on big estates and stuff.
But it doesn't really work like that.
You know, their kids are going to be loose.
All those big pharma executives who are now pushing this agenda, their children are going to be screwed, too.
We're all going to be screwed.
I don't see how this can be solved except by by violent revolution.
And I wonder when the people have it in them.
I think also is that people, to you and me, it's a technocracy and, you know, a dictatorship and they're dictating, as I said, like every single aspect of your life, small, varied from small to the big.
But other people just view that as being taken care of.
You know, the government, they've taken care, they protected me from this killer virus.
You know, and our NHS has protected us and they've given me the furlough money and they're going to extend it for supposedly some bonanza budget now next year.
You know, they don't even care anymore.
They just spend it like John in a slaughter shop, basically.
And so a lot of people and the instinct is to be taken care of.
And liberty is actually a value that has to be learned, and it's rare, right?
It's rare across time, and it's rare outside the West.
It's not a universal either, by any means, either in terms of time or, as I said, or geographically.
It's only the West that really has it.
And so, and it's true that it has to be defended for each generation, because somebody... And it started with almost an accident, didn't it?
I mean, Salamith, If you'd been a bookie before the Battle of Salamis, you'd have said, the Persians are going to win this one easy.
And the fact that the Greek city-states won was pretty much the birth of democracy and the whole notion of liberty.
Although the Greeks obviously weren't particularly liberal themselves, but it started.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
So this is, you're dealing with, a lot of people like Boris and the rest of them, they do genuinely think, well, I'm here to take care of people.
I mean, it's kind of handy that I also happen to have loads of power and control, but that's not the main reason I'm doing it.
No, no, no, no.
So you'll always get people who think they can do it best, right?
And think they know better than the little people.
A lot of elites just don't think you know, working class or middle class or even upper middle class people can make decisions for themselves.
And anyway, when they do, it's always the wrong one, right?
It's always going to be something they don't like, like, you know, or something that will hurt the environment or whatever.
So these people need, they need to be controlled, you know, and they need to be taken care of.
So that's their, that's the, that is the problem.
It's a, It's a sort of a mutually dependent relationship.
It does come off a massive expansion of the welfare state over the last 50 years.
I mean, that definitely laid some of the groundwork, right?
In that the state will take care of me.
Everything connects.
Yeah, or my extended family, or the local charity down the road, or the churches, or all those civil institutions that should stand between the family and the state.
State should be the very last call.
But now it's the first call.
It's the first call, right?
We need more free school meals.
And we need more of this.
And we need more of that.
And people just lap it up.
They don't care.
I think that if you considered the history of the human race, a giant sort of Petri dish, Yeah.
And you saw, and you were looking at under a microscope, you saw the sort of the rise and fall of civilizations as these microorganisms blossomed and then died.
I think what you would find is that, well, A, you'd see a kind of A continual process, a cycle of destruction and renewal.
We've seen that in the rise and fall of civilizations.
But also I wonder whether ultimately you'd see a kind of, you'd find an inbuilt suicide gene within these microorganisms.
And I think that we are experiencing that suicide gene moment now, and it's been building.
You can look back at, as you say, the welfare state, more recently the whole kind of fixation with transgenderism, the idea that one of the most basic facts, almost the first thing we become aware of when we were a baby, It's the difference between mummy and daddy, man and woman.
And you see it with little girls, don't you?
With baby girls.
You've got a tiny baby and she hears a man's voice and she goes all soft and seductive.
And so the transgender movement has denied us the idea that male and female genders are readily identifiable.
All these things.
This is a sign that our culture is not fit to, and I say this with regret because I don't want us all to die, but I think we're experiencing that we've almost lost the right to live, to have our freedom.
No, I know.
I mean, I think I think the difference is, I mean, those movements are bad and they're very destructive and they love causing chaos and confusion.
And we certainly had that in the last year.
Right.
Because people are putting the dates in the diary, etc.
But they surely know by now that Boris Johnson could turn around next week and go, yeah, it's all off.
Sorry.
Because he lies all the time, and he can say whatever he wants, and he says one thing one day, and then he just, everything that comes afterwards supersedes it.
But the problem with the COVID thing, of course, is who has the power, as I've always said.
And the government has the power, right?
I mean, if you look at how much they have spent on these ridiculous ads that have changed now from, you know, you're all going to die, look them in the eye, to Look him in the eyes.
Keep going.
Every day at home, help.
Keep going.
Right.
The amount of money they have spent on this, the propaganda, all the money they've spent on test and trace.
I mean, they have unknown, like the level of power they have now.
Nobody can compete with it.
You know, Liberty can't compete with it.
We can't compete with it.
So you're constantly... You, by the way, are like, this is another government propaganda machine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Constantly pushing this Covid fascist narrative.
It's going to be a tough battle.
That's an interesting point you make.
The number of institutions which are flat out lying.
Yeah, they are lying.
When people talk about conspiracy theories, their line normally is, yeah, but you'd never get so many people acting in such a way as to make this conspiracy happen.
It would never be possible.
People have got different interests.
Yeah, OK, call it convergent opportunism if it makes you feel better.
But the fact is that what is going on is a conspiracy against the ordinary people by the system.
So you've got YouGov.
I don't trust their survey.
No, they're totally corrupt.
I don't believe it.
But equally, we know that NHS spokesmen have been lying through their teeth about how all the hospital wards are, and anyone who wants to say otherwise is gagged and in fear of their income.
So you've got the NHS lying to us, you've got YouGov lying to us, you've got the government lying to us.
All these different institutions and departments are just treating us like Fools!
And like fools, we're actually believing what they say.
That's the worrying thing.
So how can we resist if we're so compliant and ill-informed, because we've been brainwashed into compliance?
Well, I think also what doesn't help is, yes, you know, the state has taken care of so many for so long, so they trust it implicitly.
They obviously trust the NHS.
And also, technology has improved people's lives a lot, OK?
And because you're materially so comfortable... Has it?
Day-to-day.
Well, I mean, we couldn't do this without it, right?
And you can't buy stuff online, but I mean... Yeah, but we wouldn't need to if technology hadn't turned us into slaves.
I know, we'd be doing... I could just be riding the hounds, you know?
That's what I'd much rather do, frankly.
I mean, as much as I love you.
Yeah, yeah.
So but I think, you know, obviously, day to day, a lot of people's lives are quite comfortable, not not everybody.
So it's sort of it's just, you know, when you're at war, when you're in World War Two, you know, you're at war, right?
Because your son is at the war or your your house may just be blown up.
But it's difficult to feel that level of threat to your civil liberties, although I feel it a lot.
And, you know, when when things seem to be OK, you can turn on Netflix.
I mean, I do think I think people have just I don't know.
I think people are drinking a lot and people are definitely worn down.
They have succeeded in utterly wearing people down and getting them to buy, you know, getting them to opt into all this ludicrous stuff like masks and vaccines.
Here's a scary thought.
I had a really scary thought.
Go on.
My scary thought is this.
I know.
Like you, I take Solace in Netflix, although I'm running out of stuff to watch.
Yeah.
But and here's the thing.
We've just had a year in which the production rate of of all these shows has been slowed down massively, which explains the dearth of decent material.
Yeah.
But what I'm really worried about is at the moment we're in this weird world where you go out, everyone is wearing a mask.
But then you turn on the TV and you watch your Netflix drama and it's a world where everyone is free and the noob is wearing a mask and they have offices they go to and they go to pubs and bars and they seduce each other and all the things that shoot each other.
Like the good old world we used to live in.
What's going to happen when they start trying to reflect the world we live in?
Are we going to have TV dramas Where suddenly you can't see the actress's face and you can't hear what she's saying properly because she's wearing a mask.
Or are they going to carry on promoting this kind of fantasy world that the world we actually live in is different?
Yeah, I would have thought they'd still say it's a fantasy.
If we get masks, we'll have lost.
Yeah, I mean, you might get one or two shows like that, but it would be very it would be difficult to sustain.
Right.
Because first of all, most people watch those shows because they have very attractive people in it and you don't want to see them covered in masks.
So I would be I would be surprised.
You're thinking like an old world person.
Yeah.
What if what if the people, the influencers, the people who ultimately make the decision for the staff?
What if governments start offering tax breaks to TV productions which promote the correct, sensible, life-saving use of masks?
You see where I'm going with this?
I wonder whether we're ever going to get our freedoms back unless we fight for them.
Because people are... This is a boiling frog situation, isn't it?
A slow boiling frog.
Everyone's been kept on the methadone of their furlough payments and stuff.
They've had their businesses destroyed, but kind of discreetly, like the pub in the village near me.
It's never going to reopen.
Really?
And people have kind of accepted that.
And there are villages all over the country who've lost their pub.
But because it's sort of happening everywhere, and it's happening while we're at home, locked down, Don't notice and we won't notice until it's too late and then there'll be nothing to we won't be able to get it back.
No, I know.
I mean, look, a lot of the shops in the high street on my local high street will close as well as in the local shopping centre.
I mean, I think again, but coming into the spring and summer, which probably will give to us mainly because it's a seasonal virus and it'll go down anyway.
And it's going to be hard to lock people down when, like, the numbers are so low.
But the big question, of course, is what happens in next autumn and next winter?
Because the question is, is this going to be a cycle, a cycle of lockdown?
Because as I said, they've always got the mutation threat.
in the back pocket.
And what people have probably forgotten, but the truth is, we've been more or less locked down for a year, give or take, there was about two months in the summer.
Well, there was July, August and September, that really wasn't locked down so much, although it still had all the ridiculous masks and two metres rules.
And then, or even in the immediate, so if you count from November, December, January, February, March, for instance, I know someone, over the last five months, Places have only been open for about two weeks in December at most.
Everything's been locked down for at least five months until there's a bit of an opening.
You're not talking weeks.
They sold it as weeks.
And then it's actually, well, a year give and take, but really intensely, it'll be at least six months since a pub will open or a shop will open.
Like, this is outrageous.
This has never happened before.
I know someone, you know, people who can't work have only been able to work for one month out of the five.
And you're like, that's never happened before.
The government has never banned people, banned people from working.
It's just, it's outrageous.
Laura, I think people, people not, unfortunately, we're kind of preaching to the choir here because lots of people, everyone agrees with this basically.
And of course they're right.
They're right to agree because we are right.
But people wearing masks, people observing the lockdown rules fairly faithfully, really ought to ask themselves a question and that is what would happen if tomorrow we all went back to work we all took off our masks we all didn't take the vaccine and the answer is very simple nothing would happen nothing in terms of in terms of of of the alleged pandemic which is just completely made up I'm completely made up.
You know, people have died, but it's no worse than bad seasonal flu.
Flu last year was zero, by the way.
Zero.
It's not a miracle.
Yes.
It's amazing.
Yeah.
But if everyone went back to normal now, nothing bad would happen.
Only good.
Only good would happen.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the extraordinary thing.
How is it that people are so clueless?
They've allowed themselves to be bullied and brainwashed into this position.
Whereby they are doing stuff that is bad to you, making their children hide their faces at school.
Obstructing their breathing, giving them hypoxia.
Won't it be interesting what happens, because as you say, that's a good test, because the secondary school masking is only guidance, as you say, it's not a legal requirement, as Tesco keep reminding you.
So won't it be interesting that you don't have to do this.
So what are you parents going to decide?
Are you going to actually stand up and say, no, I've decided I'm not going to block my child's airwaves?
You know, Like it's time.
It's time.
It's time to take a stand, people.
This is a very small thing.
You know, you shouldn't be.
It's it's actually dangerous.
You don't have to do this.
Don't don't put on your mask.
My child is not wearing one of your fucking masks.
Every parent should say that.
They should say that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, it is.
But I mean, even the testing regime, those tests are invasive.
You know, they're very, it's not like, oh, it's just a little even prick of the skin.
A blood test isn't as bad.
Like you're putting, you're shoving things back in a child's throat or nose or whatever it is.
And you have to do this, what, three or four times?
This is, this is completely out.
It's extraordinary.
Yes.
I mean, I read somewhere that possibly they weren't going to go for the vaccine passport.
They might just go for the swab test.
People wake up and realise the virus is not a problem.
The government is the problem.
It's that simple.
I'm becoming much more radical about this.
You're right.
Really depressing.
Really depressing.
I'm in my mid-fifties now.
I've had the bulk of my working life.
I've done all my shit.
I really thought that for the next 30 years of my life I've been kind of kicking back slightly and exploring the world, finding somewhere nice to retire, just enjoying my children and my grandchildren.
Instead, what I realise is that we've got to fight for our freedoms.
Possibly I'm going to get killed.
I don't know.
I mean, I think some of us are going to get killed.
It's that serious.
We are going to have to fight for our civilisation, which is being taken away from us.
By a very narrow elite.
We're being played completely.
Yeah.
I think one of the reasons I saw it earlier than most is because I've been following the climate change scam, which was the precursor to this.
They thought that climate change was going to be their excuse for being able to shut down air travel, shut down car travel.
And by the way, by the way, I've realised before people like Christopher Booker, God rest his soul, used to look at the government's increasingly insane green policies and say well of course it's when it comes when it when it clashes head-on with reality reality is going to dictate that this won't be possible because people won't have it but this was before they were able to use this fake pandemic
to terrify people into accepting everything the government throws at them.
This electric cars by 2030, they're never going to roll out in time, but that was never the plan.
The plan was always for a tiny elite to have cars and everyone else to be screwed.
They don't want us driving around.
They don't want us to be free.
They don't want us to take holidays.
That's what the vaccines are for.
Wake up people!
Yeah, no, and it's also, it's also the thing, you know, when you get Stephen Glover going, oh yeah, you know, I want to feel comfortable in the pub.
It's like, look, this tradition of civil liberties isn't actually yours to give away.
You know, you are, you're only a custodian.
You are there, you're there to supposed to protect it for the next generation.
You're not supposed to trade it away because, you know, Stephen, he feels a little bit threatened by the little flu that's coming down the road.
I mean, how pathetic!
You're supposed to be a man up.
What is wrong with you?
What they have traded such an important tradition away for, it's just sick.
But again, most of them are boomers.
And they're just pathetic.
If you think about Glover.
Glover is selling his civilization down the river.
He's helping to build the concentration camp.
And who... does Glover think that somehow he's part of the kind of superior clout that would be okay?
The only person on the mail, I would say, with the level of richness to be part of the uber elite is Lord Rothermere.
Lord Rothermere is a billionaire.
Everyone else, every single person who works for the Daily Mail, 99.999% of the people who read the Daily Mail are going to be treated like cattle in this new world.
Yeah.
And here's Glover saying, I, for one, welcome our new Internet overlords.
I mean, there's Mary Wakefield, the spectator, doing the same.
What do these people think they're doing?
When did they check it in their brains?
They think the vaccine passport will be the last of it when they don't realise that's the beginning.
That's the beginning.
I mean, it's just it's just pathetic.
But I also think, you know, we just when you look at Boris Johnson, he does need a good kicking further.
You know, you're thinking.
How can he do this, right?
All his cheap articles that he was overpaid for in the Telegraph, right?
Yes!
Oh, I would eat my ID card if anybody ever asked me for it, right?
He got paid, what, a quarter of a million for this utter garbage that he clearly didn't believe once the chips are down.
But I always say, and there is a link, I'm like, this is a man who has destroyed his own family, who didn't care about breaking up his own family, All down the years.
So he doesn't care about your family.
He doesn't care about destroying your family.
who looks up to a father who did exactly the same.
I mean, Stanley Johnson is a really feckless, he's a Malthusian.
He believes in all the, the optimal population thing, as does, of course, David Attenborough.
These people genuinely believe, and Boris wrote a piece about this once, genuinely believe that the world is overpopulated.
We need to cull, well, they don't, they're not quite explicit about it, but that's implicit.
They want to cull The global population.
Yeah, yeah.
And that, by the way, is the endgame of the vaccines.
Well, you know, I would believe that.
I would believe that they're going to start pushing this crap on all the poorer countries.
Bill Gates has been running around Africa, you know, with vaccines for the last 10 years, you know, killing children in Bangladesh.
Yeah, yeah.
Revamping himself as a philanthropist.
It's like no one remember that he was like, you know, building a massive empire that broke all the monopoly laws in America.
But whatever.
Yeah, so this is the problem.
I mean, it probably would have happened on maybe anybody's watch, but he's so morally bankrupt, he has absolutely no values at all, that he was clearly going to crumple like a house of cards whenever the powers that be came in and said, you've got to do it this way.
Yeah, we're really screwed.
And they're all terrible.
Hancock is terrible.
Gobe is terrible.
They're all terrible.
Terrible.
I used to wonder, Laura, why it is that so many of the people on my side of the argument were Catholics or just had faith of some kind.
And now it makes so much more sense.
Because if you are a Christian, you believe that man was made in the image of God.
So humans really count for something.
Yeah.
problem with transhumanism and technocracy is that humans are just they're a problem you see the way that david attenborough talks about human beings he we're a kind of well the earth has a cancer the cancer is man as the the club of rome once famously said it's only those people if you believe that every life is sacred yeah then you cannot go along with technocracy you cannot accept this stuff we're all valuable and we've got to recover that somehow
yeah that sense of of every human life is is It's sacred.
It's valuable.
You're just a number on a screen to these people.
You're not important.
You know, if you're Niall Ferguson, you're literally a number on a screen.
And I mean, I know that's why it sort of galls, it sticks in the mouth, this idea that they're sort of the big protectors of life.
And it's like, give me a break.
You don't care.
If you really protected life, you wouldn't literally have discharged people with COVID back into nursing homes and then, you know, kill lots of people in the nursing homes.
It was always about...
That tiny ray of sunshine in this in this otherwise bleak, bleak universe.
The Cuomo did the same thing.
Yeah, the thing about the thing about Cuomo.
I mean, what Hancock did, culling our care homes was bad.
Yeah, Cuomo.
actually had hospital ships docked in New York, which was sent by President Trump to have any sick people.
And still Cuomo didn't use them.
So he doesn't even have the excuse, well, we have to save the hospitals.
They had space to put these people in.
No, I know.
I know.
I mean, this is this is the thing.
It's certainly I mean, people should be under any illusions.
It's certainly not about not about saving lives.
It's just it's about power.
It's always about power.
And, you know, governments are necessary, but they should have as little power as possible.
Because they always, you know, nearly always screw things up.
And they certainly have in this case.
You know, what can you say?
You can say they're narcissists.
They just love dishing out more abuse.
And the more abuse you take, they take a perverse joy in that.
You know, how can we drag this out for as long?
How can we make it painful as possible?
It's painful for the students as possible.
You know, bring in the vaccine passports.
They're not giving this up easily.
You know, this is, yeah.
Right at the beginning, I went to the sort of anti-lockdown rallies in London.
Yeah.
When the crowds were fairly, fairly small.
And it was quite interesting, the makeup of the crowds.
They were a lot of a lot of surprising number of ethnic minorities.
Yeah.
That thing about the the vaccine thing.
A lot of people were already radicalized, but they were anti-vaxxers and they were concerned about 5G.
And at the time, because I'd been programmed like everybody else, I thought, well, these are kind of crazies.
They probably watched David Icke videos and stuff.
And what I've come around to realising is that actually these people were much better informed than the rest of us.
They're way ahead of the game.
They'd seen Robert Kennedy on vaccines.
They were aware of technocracy and of the Great Reset before most of us were.
They saw all this coming.
I've gone from being like, yeah, there's got to be a rational explanation for this.
It's not a kind of conspiracy.
I've now reached the point that everyone's going to have to reach sooner rather than later, which is the government has been lying to us.
Not just our government, governments around the world.
That the World Health Organization's been lying to us.
That it was China that invented the lockdowns.
President Xi invented the lockdowns and then gulled the West into adopting them.
That masks don't work and yet amazingly, because Fauci is pushing it and he has an ulterior motive, that's why we're wearing masks.
It's not that masks are protecting us.
We're not protecting ourselves with lockdowns.
It's a test of submission.
Are you willing to submit to this nonsense?
That's what it is.
Absolutely.
Absolute submission.
And they value our lives so little that they deliberately suppressed hydroxychloroquine.
They deliberately suppressed Invermectin.
They even went to the trouble of actually creating fake studies, which have since been debunked.
Saying that hydroxychloroquine was dangerous.
And they did that by giving about four times the correct dose.
This is how bad the people we're dealing with are.
They are evil.
It's about being good and evil.
They didn't treat the sick people the way they should have, properly.
And they locked down all the healthy people.
Making a lot of people sick.
At least in terms of mental health.
That's the kind of evil you're dealing with.
I know, I know.
You've thoroughly depressed me.
And this is why you've got people like Mike Yeadon.
Mike Yeadon, one of the few people in that industry with integrity.
He looks around and he knows what's going on and he's almost in tears when you talk to him.
You can see it on his interviews.
And there are others who are kind of...
sort of kind of want to go there but don't like um the the the cancer guy what's he called carol sikora he's he's got a foot in each camp on the one hand he wants to do his job which is to treat cancer patients and yeah but but but at the same but at the same time he knows what's going on he's outrageous how does he keep how does he keep his credibility as a kind of In the medical establishment, when what he has to say completely discredits the medical establishment.
Everyone's torn to different degrees.
People are like, I don't give a fuck.
I mean, I'm absolutely, I do not care that I'm never going to be used in the Daily Mail.
You know, I'll never get Stephen Glover's slot.
I'm never going to get a book deal like Douglas Murray, because I won't play their bloody game.
Yeah.
No, I know, I know.
Most people just compromise to a greater or lesser degree.
Absolutely.
I mean, this is the thing.
You are dealing with a lot of compromising.
I think they're hedging their bets.
They're thinking maybe it will all be over in a few months time or it'll go quiet.
Well, yeah.
So, look, what can you say?
What can you say?
But we're going to have to wrap this up now because I'm going to have to go.
Well, I mean, thank God, thank God that we've got an afterlife in Paradise.
Because otherwise... Yeah.
No, seriously, Laura, I mean, this is just...
I mean, I don't, you know, it'd be sad if I die and stuff, but I'm much more worried about our children's generation.
I know, I know, exactly.
I've only got, I've only got max, what, 30, 40 years left.
Whereas our children, they've got a whole life of this, of being slaves of Bill Gates.
So much that people have just sold them down the river.
For themselves.
For so little, in a way.
It's just, it's outrageous.
But you know, these people come along, they've been defeated before, and there's no reason to think it can't happen again.
Yeah, they have.
Come on.
There's still lots of fight left.
I mean, they haven't gotten close to this vaccine passport thing yet.
Let's see what happens with that.
As I said, I'm hopeful the coalition will broaden.
And people like Liberty and the rest of them, they defeated the stupid ID cards.
And this is ten times worse than that, right?
ID cards is just what your name is.
I'll tell you what I am going to do.
This is your medical history.
Like, what's wrong with people?
I'm not going to play the game whereby... You know how we've been programmed to...
Not talk to some political movements because they're racist or they're far right or stuff.
if they're racist or they're far right or stuff.
I want to talk to this girl, Laura Towler.
What's it called? - I don't know. - Yeah, brain's gone.
Anyway, but there are various political movements which offer us a chance to fight back against this tyranny.
And I'm not gonna write anyone off.
I want to find out what they believe and we've got to form a coalition because what is happening is evil.
It is evil.
It is evil.
I mean, the mainstream media are always telling you who you can talk to and what you can talk about, blah, blah, blah.
You're just like, you know, enough.
Yeah, they should be ignored completely.
They facilitated this.
They promoted this.
They're a complete disgrace.
Look, Laura, I think, look, I want to apologize to our viewers for, because I think we have been quite, we have been quite black-pilled today.
But listen everyone, seriously watch that Catherine Austen Fitz video.
And even though it's incredibly depressing, what it will do is give you a sense of purpose.
You'll realise just how high the stakes are and how important it is that we fight back.
Because our civilisation is good.
Humans are good.
I look at people and I like people.
Yeah, I like people, but you have to, actually I have a pretty low opinion of human nature.
This is why, you know, people find... You're talking about Bill Gates isn't human.
Yeah, I know, I know.
It takes years to sort of cultivate a decent human person, a decent human being, you know.
So in a way, you, seeking power and control over other individuals, that's almost a natural state.
It takes people like you and me to say, no, I'm not, I'm not having it.
Um, so it's always, it's always there.
It's always there in the background, especially these nut jobs you've got in government now.
I mean, they are awful.
I don't know how, what we did to get them, but, um, yeah, it's, it's not, it's not good.
I mean, book a holiday at least here.
You'll, you'll, they'll give us the next few months, mainly because people will just refuse to stay inside because of the good weather.
But the big question is, are they, I mean, over the way last weekend, it's kind of stopped now.
They were already threatening a fourth lockdown.
Even though we haven't even left the third lockdown.
This is the thing, you're going to be threatened with these lockdowns all the time.
If you're Susan Mickey and you're a communist, and you sold a Picasso for 50 million, you can wear this stuff.
It's like you're going to be in the Bill Gates Club.
You're probably going to be on the equivalent of Epstein Island.
Yeah, I know.
You haven't even gone into the satanic nature of these elites.
I really do believe they are involved in the most disgusting things.
Because that's kind of hallmark of their... When you've got the mark of the beast, you behave.
Yeah, and it's part of the degradation and they like humiliating other people and there's lots of different ways you can humiliate people.
So yeah, I mean, none of that surprises me, but they're going to be threatening these stupid lockdowns for ages.
They're certainly going to threaten it if you don't all get your vaccine.
It's all going to be threats, as it has been for the last year.
I would like to live in a country where the government isn't constantly threatening you.
I think I might tweet that.
That would be good.
That would be good.
OK, Laura, great show.
I'm a blackpilled yet.
Please, everyone, don't forget to support me on Patreon or Subscribestar if you want me to.
I mean, going down the rabbit hole, it's a dark and terrifying place, but somebody needs to do it for you.
And I'm your man.
I can help lead the revolution.
Well, or inspire it, anyway.
I don't know about you.
Anyway, thanks, Laura.
OK, take it easy, James.
OK.
Have a good day.
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