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Feb. 24, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole

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Ralph Masilamani

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	I know I always say I'm excited about this special guest but I really am actually.
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	I know I always say I'm excited about this special guest, but I really am actually.
	I've got all sorts of questions I'd like to ask this very interesting person.
	He's...
	His name is Ralph Massilimani.
	You're a kind of... You're a tech guru, aren't you, Ralph, among other things?
	For my sins, I am.
	I'm a sort of technology geek, as I am.
	Yeah.
	And you're currently in Germany.
	Which is why you've presumably grown the appropriate local moustache.
	Less ever, that's better!
	I'm teasing you, I'm teasing you.
	And I came across you, I thought you'd be an interesting podcast guest when I listened to a very interesting podcast you did with my friends Simon and Sadan of Sea.
	And you were talking about something I found really fascinating, which I've heard sort of I've heard rumors of it, the cathedral, and I've been given I sort of half understand it.
	And I've been given to tweeting out, burn the cathedral, because I think it's the cathedral is a bad thing.
	Right.
	It's it's not our friend.
	And I thought that maybe we could start by actually let's start by talking about you and your background.
	I know that you spent time in California.
	I know that you've worked with the kind of people who know Dominic Cummings.
	And I know you're good at technology, because I'm really excited that for the first time on this, on any of the podcasts I've done, you're going to be sharing a screen with data on it and stuff, if it works, which is really exciting for me, because I couldn't do that.
	James Delingpole enters the 21st century, which is quite good.
	Yeah, well, you know, I would so much rather be happy.
	I'll be honest with you, Ralph.
	I would I would rather be a landed gentleman.
	Well, you know, more than more than landed.
	I mean, you know, properly rich in the country in the 18th century, maybe late 18th, maybe early 19th century.
	I'd like to spend every day Shooting or writing to hands or I don't know, rogering not maids, whatever, whatever one did in those days.
	I don't, I don't really like the modern world.
	I particularly hate.
	I particularly hate the technocratic age that we're about we're entering now.
	I'm terrified of the Great Reset.
	I'm really bloody depressed right now.
	And you said before we started that you were going to cheer me up.
	We're going to have a kind of into the valley of death type charge.
	So I hope you are going to be true to your promise.
	But just tell me who you are and about your background first.
	Yeah, so my name's Ralph.
	I'm a technologist by craft and trade.
	My dad's Indian, my mom's English, so I'm a product of empire.
	And I grew up in a few different countries, schooled in England and everything else, and a student in India.
	And I have a deep interest in politics, particularly the conservative end of politics.
	And in the last four or five years after the debacle of Brexit, I decided to undertake a sort of audit of all the political forces in the right.
	So I followed the Tommy Robertson movement, the For Britain, the UKIPs.
	And the last year and a half, I created a character called Right Reaction that went deep into the alt-right and dissident right to see what the advocacy from the actual real right, far-right, is, so that I could understand all aspects of the political right.
	Moving forward, I believe we have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, a generational one, to stop the rot I believe Britain is under existential threat.
	Everything in the heritage of these 5,000 islands is under threat.
	And I believe it's our duty to be able to stop that rot.
	And towards that, I'm a co-founder of a technology startup that will be creating a first political digital platform.
	And I have an interest in a digital political party to pressure the Conservative Party in the next election, which is around 1,000 days away.
	That's me in a nutshell.
	That's a thousand days doesn't seem like very long to be able to build up.
	I mean, can I say I totally agree with you on the need to find a party which is going to represent what I would consider base standard base conservative values, which the current which was the Conservative Party clearly isn't representing at all.
	I mean, we've we voted.
	We voted conservative, some of us, and we got a mixture.
	We got Hitler almost.
	We got that weird combination of extreme environmentalism and fascism, for want of a better word.
	I mean, I know it's not exactly like fascism, but it is totalitarian, I'd say.
	The country seems to be controlled by a very small cabal.
	Parliament is not doing its job.
	Um, we've got these green regulations that I don't think any any natural conservative would want because they involve the dispossession of the countryside, the hamstringing of the economy with expensive energy as opposed to cheap fossil fuel energy.
	I mean, I could go on and on listening, listing the reasons why Boris's Conservative Party is not remotely conservative.
	So I get that.
	But the problem and I hope you're going to Help me get around this one, isn't it?
	As you say, there are lots of different insurgent parties.
	Well, alt-right, I suppose, was the blanket term you used.
	What does alt-right even mean, anyway?
	Because it seems to change all the time.
	Well, Ultroid 2 has just finished.
	It's in its death cycle right now, now that Biden has won.
	So, I know you want to talk about things like the Cathedral and the NRX movement.
	So, maybe a good place is to start there and then understand how to look at politics like we do, which is slightly different.
	So, we start with an interesting little story.
	So, how did we get here?
	Important key points in history is, of course, the Enlightenment.
	So the Enlightenment gives us, out of England, you know, Locke and Co, gives us the idea that God is no longer supreme and the age of reason is brought in and with that we get the eight key products of the Enlightenment.
	We get individualism, we get liberty, we get capitalism, we get the industrial revolution, science and medicine.
	So we start with that punctuation and say what's happened since then?
	Is liberalism then fast forward the clock to 1945 and the Great Second World War, liberalism defeats communism on the left and fascism on the right.
	But then something else happens.
	50 to 60 years after that, the computing technology revolution connects the world up, first by communications, then by information, then by money, then by goods, and finally by people.
	And the last 20, 30 years, Western Europe and the West has been at a tipping point.
	where it suddenly had to have the results of global neoliberalism applied to it in such a way that its politics is now in a very strange shape.
	Conservatism is meant to be protecting the traditional liberal nation-state, but right now globalism is so powerful, it's more powerful than capitalism, for example, that it's actually calling the shots.
	So if you're an English or British conservative and you want to conserve either liberal Conservatism, i.e.
	lock human, my rights, my laws, my free speech, etc.
	Or traditional old school conservatism, my community, my people, my culture.
	We are at a war with this globalist system, which we define as the cathedral.
	And Boris Johnson is serving the cathedral.
	He's no longer serving the Conservative Party or the Conservative electorate, let alone the people of Britain.
	So that's the kind of framework we use.
	OK, so there's a lot of areas that you've opened up there and we need to focus a bit more, I think, don't we?
	Because, I mean, I get what the Enlightenment gave us, but I don't know where globalism came from as a concept or even what it is on the spectrum from fascism to communism to whatever, where globalism fits in.
	But maybe we can start by talking about the Cathedral.
	What is the Cathedral?
	So I think we can answer both of those questions, I think, almost concurrently, which may make sense, right?
	So let me try a little bit of magic.
	Let's see, James, if we can try this share screen stuff.
	It may or may not work, but hey.
	I'm so excited.
	If it works, I'd be really impressed.
	People are going to think my technology has gone to a whole new level.
	It's into the Demi-Pool 2.0.
	So has that come through by any chance?
	I'm not sure if that's working.
	I can see a picture on my screen now saying the cathedral is the emergent system running the neoliberal global world.
	So if you look at traditional politics, to explain those two things, you can see the history of politics in left versus right as being a revolutionary, a progressive force on the left, versus a reactionary conservative force on the right.
	So progress since the Enlightenment has been the expansion of this progress to the left, resisted by conservatives.
	But if I take a North-South divide, and I just look at power against the people, be it a monarchy, an empire, a liberal democracy, there's also the people and the rulers versus the ruled.
	If you now plot your traditional ideologies, The ontologies of politics in your classical head.
	You see that liberalism is pro-rights, pro-laws, pro-values.
	The consequence of the English and French revolutions in a modern democracy.
	Conservative reactionary forces have always been pro-blood of people, pro-place.
	Think of people writing about the Norways versus the Sunways and pro-faith.
	And the left, the enemy we scream about on Twitter, have been revolutionary, anti-racism, anti-borders and anti-religion.
	This is your classic left-liberal-right divide.
	The cathedral sitting right over here has empowered globalism to now call the shots that is running all these three divisions.
	And how does that work?
	The best way to understand is to look at its pieces.
	And we'll do that very, very quickly and back to normality.
	The cathedral, what it's actually done, and so let's start at the beginning.
	When you say left versus right, what does this mean is since we started society, we've had a problem with scaling culture.
	We started 10,000 years ago in small wandering families of tribes, extended families, and until we hit the 30-year war in Germany, everything was still a feudal, monarchistic, king and church hierarchy.
	After the 30-year war, we gave birth to the nation-state in the Treaty of Westphalia.
	We said this ethnic people are sovereign in a land as codified by liberalism.
	Now what's happened is if you look at the globe in globalism, one globe, seven races, about 200 nations and 650 tribes, globalism has defined this engine of these four pieces that says, hey, this cathedral can take power by operating in concert these four pieces round and round around to implement global neoliberal power.
	So we call the globalists, the party of Davos, the World Economic Forum, are organs of this globalist system and it uses these four organs to take over.
	Democratic nations, liberalism, capitalism, to serve its purpose.
	What is its purpose?
	I'm going to give a simple example and we'll stop.
	It takes the education department and promotes an ideology, say critical race theory.
	It then feeds government policies, equal opportunity legislation, protected class acts.
	It then goes to business, feeds HR policies, restrictions of government, and the media sends this round and round and round.
	So that this cathedral thing sitting over here is now running all three wings.
	done a second.
	This cathedral thing sitting over here where have we gone?
	Oopsies, where have we here?
	Is now running all three wings.
	It is in charge of the Conservative Party, it is in charge of the Liberals and it's in charge of the Left because it is now more powerful economically, socially, culturally than any nation state.
	So if you call that thing globalism, The cathedral is its doctrine, its ideology, its modus operandi, and it is technical.
	So now we look at Britain post-Brexit.
	What did we do?
	We won Brexit after lots of fighting and screaming.
	I was down the Supreme Court trolling Mr. Dimbleby, for example, during those events.
	And what happened is Boris has taken the keys away from the EU and given it to the globalists.
	Eroding the idea of the nation-state.
	So conservatives who traditionally sit here, or liberal conservatives, think pro-free speech, pro-rights, pro-my ability to wander around the countryside in Oxfordshire, have a common enemy.
	And this enemy is what we call the cathedral.
	Does that kind of make sense?
	That's our technical word for it isn't it?
	Okay, so where did the phrase the cathedral come from?
	So the history of it is I lived in the States for almost 10 years chasing my sort of intellectual types of heroes like maths, computer science types and I ended up, landed up at Stanford in California and that's where I met a chap called Curtis Yarvin, a very famous blogger by the name of Ventures Mobile And we were looking as technology geeks at the time, 9-11 had just happened, going, this is incredible.
	The United States has been attacked.
	You know, we have the neo-con stage of American politics.
	What on earth is happening?
	And then we decided, a bunch of us, what if we applied computer modeling techniques to politics?
	What would it look like?
	And I was very lucky to have attended a series of lectures by a now passed away incredible historian called Robert Conquist.
	And Robert Conquist noticed... Oh yeah!
	Yeah, so Robert Conker's notice when he coined his two historical terms is that if I took Boris Johnson 50 to 100 years ago, he'd suddenly look very left-wing.
	If I took Churchill 100 years back, he'd look left-wing.
	If I took a wink 100 years back, he'd look left-wing.
	It looks like society's drifting Incrementally progressing left, and conservatives, when you look at these patterns using deep historic analysis, when we looked at them technically, they looked like computer patterns.
	It looked like something was emerging out of this thing that was calling the shots.
	So we then started modeling socialism, Marxism, Ancap, conservatism, and these patterns emerged, and we saw that this cathedral is operating a dogma.
	So because we saw it's soft-scrolling, like it's dogmatic, like the Catholic Church or the Nicene Creed, we thought, gosh, that's what the engines beast is.
	And therefore we should call it the cathedral because it's dogmatic.
	And what's its dogma?
	Equalitarianism.
	It wishes to equalize every nation, person, state, gender into a globally homogenized thing.
	We refer to that as global homo.
	And the cathedral is the dogma, it's the dogma of this thing, equalitarianism.
	And am I right in thinking that that also is a product of the Enlightenment, maybe the French Enlightenment, maybe people like Rousseau?
	Absolutely, because what happens is, if you imagine, remember the picture we had before about how you scale societies?
	As soon as we created the nation-state, the 30-year-old follows Locke and Somerset and the English and French revolutions, we've codified rights, abstract rights, the right to life, the right to democracy, the right to property.
	As soon as we codify rights, we've created the first atom or molecule of this engine.
	It's extracted it from a person, it's written it in a constitution, it's written it in a piece of paper, and that nation-state is best epitomised by, for example, the United States Constitution.
	It says you're no longer a person, you're a citizen, and you're given these rights.
	Those rights, when codified, is what the cathedral used to start building up this dogma.
	And you can see it in things like the expansion of human rights, the expansion of charters.
	It's actually creating a dogma, if you like, that is no longer nationalistic or tribal or spatial.
	It wants England and Eritrea to be Area 17 and Area 14.
	in a globally homogenized world.
	It wants no difference between Namibia and Nebraska.
	That's its objective.
	Right.
	So, people like me and you, I imagine, look back on the Enlightenment as the kind of The root of all of much of what we value in Western civilization, you know, skepticism, empiricism, like that, and Yet in the enlightenment by the roots of our disaster as well.
	Is that it?
	Is that it?
	It looks like a liberalism after World War Two was still operating in a national collective that was still not technically wired up.
	So England was virtually an ethnostate between 1945 and say Enoch Powell.
	Globalism decided to first connect the information, connect the telephone lines, then you remember the 90s and 00s, connect the supply chain.
	As soon as it started moving people as opposed to goods and products, you now have a problem because people are not television sets.
	So suddenly, English liberalism was inviting a lot of people in.
	By mass migration, they were not liberals.
	Their culture weren't liberal.
	They weren't individually liberal.
	They were fundamentally conservative collectivists.
	Think Salman Rushdie.
	Right?
	Their culture was not liberal.
	They didn't believe in free speech.
	And you can't blame them for it.
	That's not their culture.
	But globalism rushed the two together.
	So suddenly English liberalism had to argue the case for English liberal values with people who are not liberal.
	Their cultures were never liberal.
	They never had an Enlightenment.
	Right.
	Does that kind of make sense?
	So now liberalism, that was a fantastic gift to the world.
	The English Enlightenment changed the world forever.
	That gift has now come back via this new technical machine that is going to punish England for it.
	Right?
	Because if I replace 50% of England with people who are good people but conservative and from illiberal cultures, I could not protect English liberal conservatism.
	Because these people, by definition, aren't liberal.
	I could pay lip service to magic soil theory that says that wonderful family from Somalia will never commit a crime and they're going to be lovely Somali British people, first generation, but they're not liberal.
	The culture isn't liberal, so the more illiberal people you have, the Lockean paradox of tolerating the intolerant just accelerates.
	Now the globalists know this.
	That's interesting.
	So the globalists know this, the globalists like this, and the globalists' agenda, if you read the great research literature, and we've been tracking everything from the World Economic Forum, they like this idea.
	They want Eritrea to be England.
	And if you're in England... Yes.
	Does that make sense to you, sir?
	Yes, it does.
	It does, Ralph.
	And it's sort of, I mean, this is such an enormous subject, but it does describe certain things that many of us have been feeling in our gut, but not really been capable of articulating.
	I mean, that sense that a lot of people feel that they don't recognise their own country anymore.
	And it's not simply that when you go on the London Underground now on the Tube, well actually it's a bad example because I'm talking about the age before Covid when you still got crowded Tube carriages, but you could often find yourself the only sort of white English person in the Tube.
	A lot of people were from abroad, London's become a kind of melting pot etc.
	But more than that, it's not just about people's skin colour, it is about this sense that English traditional values are slowly being eroded and if, as you say, there is this massive
	dominant geopolitical force, which is hell bent on on creating a world where Eritrea is England is Brazil is wherever, then you can see why countries are losing their national identity.
	Because no matter how much on the local level, you might try and preserve traditions by maybe getting funds to preserve Your local Morris dancing troupe or whatever.
	If you've got this cathedral where you've got the media, politics, education and so on, all working in lockstep to wipe out regional differences, individual characteristics, then we're fighting a losing battle.
	Is that a fair summary of the cathedral theory?
	If you wish to roll over, but I believe that would not be in the English spirit, and you started by saying you'd love to be a landed gentry, sort of like wandering around the fields with a shotgun, me myself, I'd love to go back to the English Civil War and make sure the parliamentarians didn't win.
	But those things notwithstanding, it wouldn't be in the spirit to allow them to beat Britain.
	That's unacceptable to me, that's even a thought.
	So then the question becomes, right, if one is not to surrender blighty, What's the next step?
	Yes.
	And the next step must be to, as you've tweeted out, to crush the cathedral, to return the true sovereignty principle that says England should be ruled by the English in perpetuity as an axiom.
	Everything else is downstream.
	That's the thing.
	Now the Tory party have not done that.
	So one of the reasons I'm in Berlin is I persuaded my good friend of 10 years to join and found part of the founding team of the AFD and they went from zero to 97 seats out of nowhere.
	He's currently the Member of Parliament for Berlin.
	So I've been looking at all the deep data for the AFD to see how did they come up and due to the CDU, the equivalent of the Conservative Party, by stealing 90 seats from the right.
	How did they do this?
	How did they manage to go in?
	We've had this Brexit sort of bubble that is now finished.
	There'll be five to six parties jockeying for the Conservative right.
	The Conservative right cannot count on the votes in four years.
	They only got it because of Brexit.
	So now the question is, what is the strategy for true conservatism?
	Either it's entryism, you're going to enter the Conservative Party and try to change their global agenda, or B, you're going to form a different party that's going to take the seats, or C, you're going to disrupt the entire table on both the left, middle and right by speaking to the conservative spirit of the British people that says, With the largest mandate in history, is it very, very difficult for Ms Patel to just close the border?
	The best navy in the world can't defend the English Channel.
	It's an insult to the history of the nation.
	It's nothing short of an insult, right?
	Most ordinary British people will resonate with that idea, right?
	They resonate with the idea that something is wrong, we've surrendered something after the Brexit battle, and conservative English people know that the Tory party are not delivering that.
	I think that's my assessment.
	Yes, I well your assessment is it makes a lot of sense.
	Presumably you've decided which of those are those three routes is the best one.
	I mean, I'm presuming that entryism is out because we've we've seen that we look at the Conservative Party.
	We don't see any any.
	I mean, there's about one maybe two three MPs who are currently Standing up to what you might call the cathedral or globalism, whatever.
	Here's the NRX cathedral analysis of Parliament.
	I thought that question may come up.
	Here's the traditional left-middle-right distribution of Parliament.
	We have 364 Conservatives, 202 Labour.
	But if I look at them a different way, And say which of them are really left-wing and which are true conservatives.
	You notice momentum as either 50 or 52 on the left over here.
	And the ERG with about 70 strong support.
	And more recently after the infamous letter to Downing Street, the common sense grew up with 40.
	As new reactions if you plot this against the cathedral.
	and say which of these people are pro-anti-Cathedral dogma, you see both Momentum and the ERG and CSG form the minor group that are resistant to the rest of the people who are willing to surrender.
	So the real resistance line is anti-dogma versus pro-dogma.
	So Momentum MPs don't want to participate with the Great Reset, neither do the ERG and the CSG.
	That's interesting.
	So you mean because I've noticed this Ralph that quite a lot of my I've had quite a quite a change in my in my career and the kind of people who follow me and you know, I mean all my conservative friends have pretty much rejected me that when you hear them talking about me, they think I've gone mad.
	Um, apparently Matt Ridley the other day said, said, said this to somebody, you know, telling Paul, he's gone completely mad, which obviously saddens me in a way.
	Cause I, I, I, these are my, these are my, my old friends.
	I mean, this was, these were, these are my colleagues.
	Um, my, my, my, they shared the foxhole with me and fought against what I thought was a common enemy, but I now get lots and lots of fan letters from people who say, you know, I'm, I'm.
	I'm a Jeremy Corbyn supporter.
	I'm momentum, you know.
	I'm from the far left, but I love your stuff.
	So are they natural allies for us?
	So now that's interesting.
	Now that we've framed the distribution from your traditional distribution to this inner-outer dogma, that makes a lot of sense when you look at the following picture once more.
	If the left are anti-globalists because they want to get the 1%, they want to get their social justice, and the true conservatives, so everyone right of Rees-Mogg and everyone right of the ERG, actually wish to protect the borders and the nation and the people, then it's a question of, like, it's populism that unites them over the left-right divide.
	And you can see that very quickly in the following stunning picture.
	If I look at the latest data of populism that spans the British left, middle and right, you see about 35% of the people from the left, centre and right are populists in so much as they're anti-globalists.
	So I'm not surprised if a Corbyn supporter from here turns to you in the Liberal-Conservative right saying, of course I agree with you because I agree with your sentiment of position that is pro-people and anti-power, pro-the governed, anti-the governing.
	For four different reasons.
	So you can see now, if you look at the state of political parties in Europe, we're going to have two big elections before ours.
	The AFD are changing their ship.
	The Vox party are changing their ship.
	The Swedish Democrats are changing their ship to not focus on the left-right culture war, but instead to focus on those that are the enemies of the conservatives or the socialists, which happen to be the same enemies.
	So you can see this remarkable tipping point of political history in Europe, as this rising wave of populism crosses the left-right divide, and it's uniting on anti-1%, anti-free speech, anti-lockdown.
	It's not saying, hey, socialism versus capitalism.
	That battle has run its course, if that makes sense.
	So the opportunity cost analysis to get the Conservative Party is to go after the same way they got the white traditional labour working class vote in 2019, is to look at that vote and say, right, you got the Brexit, in quotes Brexit from the Conservatives, but you really haven't had your needs met.
	Your needs are still being met by principles that the Conservative Party are betraying in the middle, and so is the Labour Party betraying in the middle.
	That's the opportunity window for us in a thousand days.
	That's where the data comes.
	That's the exciting part.
	That's the road map that says, OK, if we accept that as a trajectory, then what would the work be done?
	So part of my order, which was a really deep order to the right in terms of where there are differences.
	Let me show you a couple of quick pictures and then we stop sharing the screen.
	Here's the order to the UK right.
	So I went right to the far right into the Wolf's Lair, James, literally the Wolf's Lair, and I looked at all the data and I divided what differentiates the right.
	So, right over here in power is the Labour and the Liberals and the Conservatives.
	The immediate right to them was formed by UKIP, Brexit and for Britain.
	There might be new entries.
	Then there's the true nationalist right all the way to the Nazis on the right.
	What is the problem for English Conservatives?
	It's identity and demographic replacement is the thing that wins the game.
	If the globalists win the game, they're going to refuse identitarianism, however you define it, for British people, and they're going to replace the nation by mass migration.
	On the other hand, the left have won the culture war.
	So their five dimensions, from Gramsci, anti-racism, sexism, anti-Islam, anti-homophobia and anti-Semitism, is what's stopping the right entering.
	So in this fault line, in between here, is going to be the threat to the Conservative Party, just like the AFD in Germany, just like the Swedish Democrats took 60 seats, just like Lepore is neck and neck with Macron on the boards.
	It's going to be where the Conservative Party is vulnerable to people who care about identity and replacement.
	And that's what the data shows.
	That's the war.
	Does that kind of make sense?
	Even left-wing working-class British people in the North still feel English.
	They may never have voted for the Conservative Party, but they don't like what's happening to schools and hospitals.
	They've never voted Tory in their life, but they feel an English sense of their country being eroded.
	They feel like cancel culture.
	They have 15 languages in their schools.
	Do you see what I mean?
	The issue is now not a left-right clash.
	Does that kind of make sense?
	That's where Europe has been.
	It does.
	I'm slightly lost on this chart, though.
	What are NatCons?
	So, National Conservatives.
	So, basically, here's... If identity is an ethnic issue... So, let me make it very simple.
	If you accepted that Diane Abbott was English, it's an identity statement.
	Now, you may say, Diane Abbott is British, etc., etc., but at some point you're going to have to accept that she isn't English.
	But she's a first-class British citizen.
	We will not be racist to her.
	We'll give her all the privileges of British citizen.
	But do you accept the fact that she's not English?
	If you don't accept this identity axis, you cannot stop replacement.
	Remember what we said?
	If I replace a culture with a different culture, with different values, then the replacement just overruns the host culture.
	So the identity line has been The right has been sitting, hovering over here, trying to deal with this identity replacement issue.
	This is the fault line.
	Now the AFD, the Swedish Democrats, they've all won in Europe.
	We've not caught up with them.
	They're five years ahead of us because of Brexit.
	Brexit is, if you look at the data for all of Europe, they're five years ahead in this battle and they're in Parliament.
	The AFD was founded in February 2012.
	They're all in Parliament over here.
	And what does PA stand for?
	So that's Patriotic Alternative.
	That's the biggest buzz.
	That's the Alt-Right, Marc Collette, for example, right?
	So if you look closest to where... I've heard about this recently.
	It's a thing, isn't it?
	These are the National Socialists.
	PA are National Socialists pretending they're Nationalists.
	Oh, OK.
	They've made themselves, they're the head of the alt-right.
	You had one of their people on the other day, the chap who was walking around England, he's a PA.
	Yes, I did!
	But their ideology, they're not, they're internal national socialists, but they're pretending they're nationalists.
	But their message is winning, I'll tell you why, if you understand the table for a second, it's because their message, look at all the greens here, their message is correct about English identity replacement.
	Do you see what I mean?
	Because they can talk about these things, whereas the Conservative Party cannot.
	This middle ground is where the AFT and all the European parties are five years ahead of us.
	90 seats stolen from the German Conservative Party.
	60 seats stolen from the Swedish Conservatives.
	So these are the forces from the right approaching the Conservative Party over here.
	Does that kind of make sense?
	This is the battleground from left to right.
	Well, you see, I'm amazed at how little one hears about this stuff.
	Is this because... I mean, I barely had heard of Patriotic Alternative until very recently.
	And I'm presuming this is because the media doesn't cover it.
	The mainstream media is so completely useless.
	If you bear with me, James, you'll see exactly why in a second.
	And you'll see the lessons learnt from Europe that we should.
	Remember, we're going to have an instant value of death, said Denison.
	We're going to have a little charge, a light brigade.
	The problem these people face, PA and all of them, is they're actually racist, sexist, Islamophobic, homophobic.
	Are they?
	Right.
	Oh, absolutely.
	So their mainstream society won't let them play.
	So if I jump to the next slide.
	And I instead plotted the same thing by using your real name, James, Dan and Paul, or Simon, in public and not hiding.
	None of these people with answers can participate.
	They will get fired from their jobs.
	Why?
	Because they're explicitly racist, they explicitly have concerns with a particular tribe from the Middle East, and they won't stop talking about blaming that tribe for everything in the world.
	So despite having the answers, To identity and replacement, they can't actually deliver political power because society is not going to allow them to violate these five conditions.
	So with that landscape in mind, you can see, for example, that if you were standing for the general election 2025 with the party, you wanted to be in the street, not get fired.
	There's a gap over here.
	That now the Brexit party, Farage resurrected UKIP, are trying to get to the Conservative right.
	How many seats are vulnerable?
	If we extrapolate the European data and go backwards, discounted for first past the post, up to 60, 70 seats are vulnerable.
	Interesting.
	And can this be done?
	Of course, the Europeans have already just done it.
	Now, James, you would agree with me if the Europeans do it, then the Brits should do it better, right?
	Clearly.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	Before we move on, can I say, I mean, you're half Indian.
	When you were doing your sort of deep dive into this world, did you find any resentment to you Because of your skin colour?
	Or anything like that?
	Absolutely.
	Well, absolute racism, sexism, all those five violations completely.
	But I went in with, you know, what public school is like.
	If you survive it to the removes, you can get through anything with thick skin, right?
	So I had to ride through with thick skin to see the mission through.
	But you can see that what's happening is quite an interesting pattern.
	And it's understandable.
	White people have been so beaten down that they get deracinated.
	Then what the Alt-Right does is it wakes them up by a process called redpilling.
	Tell them, shit, this stuff's happening to you.
	Then immediately these young white males get very disillusioned.
	They become ancaps or what's called black belt.
	Then they overshoot and become like hyper crazy racists.
	So they go through this kind of flow of pattern and now I've analysed them really well.
	You can see what's happening to them because they have no political home.
	So PA is acting like a beacon, but because PA can't ever get any power, a true conservative party would be their natural home.
	Where they could love England, love English tradition, don't want to see Thai food in my pub in Shropshire, for example, and not be called a racist for it.
	Because I'd rather have cured ham.
	If I wanted Thai food, I'd go to Thailand.
	Faggots.
	They'd rather have faggots.
	Or even if your peer-to-all class is scampi fries, if you must.
	Right?
	But whatever it is, that thing does have a political home.
	But the opportunity in the next few years is exactly what the Europeans capitalised on.
	Because the Conservative Party would not admit them.
	They won't admit that, I think.
	Okay, so before we move on, there's so many questions I want to ask you.
	Because the thing that's really foxed me is why are so many red-pilled people anti-Semitic?
	What's that all about?
	Ah, so what happens is it's really... To do that you've got to... Let me stop sharing my screen, James.
	Get rid of all these silly charts and stuff.
	Yeah, to understand that you've got to understand the actual white racination process.
	So if you look at the hierarchy of white racial collectivization, at the top is these anti-Christian, anti-Jewish National Socialists.
	They believe the white tribe should form under a National Socialistic Enthroite.
	And part of that ideology is you must blame the Jews for everything since Edward Longshanks.
	Now what happens when young men who are just English nationalists, good conservative people, for them to fit into that community?
	They will be rejected by a social homophilic structure of value that says, if you don't agree with me that women should be beaten and put to the sink or the Jews run the banks in the world, then they're ostracized.
	So because they have no other place to go, they sacrifice this anti-Semitism to belong because the henchmen who run the little circles mandate the fact that the plight of Western civilization started in the first temple.
	And Jews run the bank, despite all evidence having worked at Goldman Sachs to show you Goldman Sachs is not run by Jewish people.
	If you deny the idea, it's just like the walk left, right?
	If you deny institutional racism, you're going to be rejected from the left.
	If you deny the fact that the Jews run the world, you're going to be kicked out to the right.
	Did you work at Goldman Sachs?
	I briefly did for my sins, yeah.
	Yeah, I mean, come on, Goldman Sachs, I mean, Bannon worked for, Steve Bannon worked for Goldman Sachs as well.
	But it is, it's evil.
	Come on.
	It is the vampire squid.
	Yeah.
	I mean, it's not, I mean, it's hard.
	It's at the heart of the cathedral, but that's not my point.
	My point is it's not run by the Jews in some great conspiracy.
	That's the point.
	I see.
	I'm so glad I've got you here.
	It's a bit like, you know, I often say when I get an expert in a particular field, it's a bit like when you, you bump into a doctor at a party.
	And you seize the opportunity to talk to him or her about your embarrassing problems in the same way.
	These questions have been with me for quite some time, and I've noticed that... For example, my conversation with... What's his name again?
	The nice chap that I did the other day?
	Josh.
	I thought, absolutely fantastic guy.
	I'm just proud to have him as a fellow Brit.
	I can see that his heart is in the right place and he's the kind of person that we need if we're to make our country great again.
	But clearly, from what I've heard about Patrick Alternative, there are things that I would find disagreeable.
	Antisemitism.
	The economic policies, which seem to be to be sort of, in fact, that was the area where I picked him up in the conversation.
	He said that we need an alternative to capitalism.
	And I said, well, hang on a second.
	What we're experiencing is not capitalism.
	And anyway, capitalism is a Marxist term.
	What we need is free markets.
	We're not experiencing free markets.
	We're experiencing crony capitalism.
	Now, if patriotic alternative are a sort of Modeling an imaginary economic future on their ignorance of what capitalism is.
	That's not a very good start, is it?
	Well, it's not even that, but you hit a really great point.
	So people like Josh, there's lots of good English boys and girls too, who, because they have no other home to go to, have entered where they have to, let's just say, either suspend their disbelief, like the Jews run the world and this has been going on since with long shanks and a long tail conspiracy, other absurdities, just to fit in, because there's nowhere else to go, with the fact that is this a vehicle capable of expressing power?
	My thing, my belief is from having audited about 8,000 of their names for a year and a half, is that these are people in waiting for something that is credible.
	And here's why.
	The AFD had the same problem.
	In the first year of the AFD, they were penetrated by Nazis, old school National Socialists in Germany, and they found very quickly the average German person slammed the door on their face.
	They said, no, I care about the German people, but I'm not a racist.
	And why did you mention white?
	For example, I know I'm white.
	I'm German.
	Tell me about schools and hospitals.
	So while they agreed with the identitarian patriotic traditionalism, they rejected sexism.
	So the AFD went through three cycles of just purging these people.
	They just got rid of them.
	They got rid of the idiots who were not, who were not valid to go to the marketplace of good, decent, conservative, traditional Germans.
	Who didn't want a guy to show up at the door and say, your woman should, her vote should be taken away, and feminism 1.0 has destroyed the West.
	And this average German person thinks, you're talking about my mother, my sister, my daughter, thanks ever so much for your time, bye bye.
	Right?
	Right, go away.
	So that's what these PA people haven't learnt, that despite having the correct message on English traditionalism and identitarianism, it's so corrupted by the racism, sexism, get the Jews, get the gays, that they're not palatable to ordinary British English people.
	So my next question for you is, is it possible, because I mean, I want as many people on my team as possible, you know, I actually am very happy having, you know, black people In the trench, you know, in the foxhole next to me.
	I've got no problem with that.
	I just, I just, I just want everyone to buy into English culture.
	I don't really care about people's religion or skin color or whatever.
	But is it possible to have a kind of identitarianism, which is not racist, not antisemitic, not... That's exactly why I'm in Berlin and I'm probably going to stay longer than I should do until I finish my data mining.
	But the AFD have mastered this.
	And they called it, I sat with some AFT members of parliament in the cafeteria and you know some of the English wasn't great but translations came through fine enough.
	They said the thinnest wedge of identitarianism and no more is what wins.
	You don't need to, you can make every policy pillar, hospitals, schools, migration, waiting times, bus crowding.
	about the thinnest wedge of identitarianism.
	And they rejected racism, sexism, anti-Semitism and perched it.
	Their second in command is a lesbian woman.
	And she speaks of German traditional nuclear families.
	So she's not homophilic, but she's not homophobic.
	And that's the winning solution.
	Do you see what I mean?
	That's the winning solution.
	True to the identitarianism, just enough to transfer everything to vertical policy builders and explicitly reject racist people who speak about the Holocaust.
	Just reject them because ordinary German conservatives don't like it.
	They find it distasteful, James.
	They find it a little tacky.
	They don't want to take that far to their identity and make it about getting their Jews or something crazy like that.
	They just find it just tacky and rude.
	They just want to be English.
	They just want to shoot some pheasants.
	They just don't want to do the Southern stuff.
	That's so true.
	I would want to shoot some pheasant and some grass.
	Although I have to say, I think after this year, my invitations are going to dry up just because I'm considered now too bloody out there.
	But all I want is for us to get our old normal back.
	Plus a bit of tradition, not sell out to the globalist bastards.
	You go to McDonald's beside the golf club.
	It's as simple as that.
	So I saw your chart.
	We're only about 31% did you say?
	In terms of what?
	Populism is about 30% by the last four, but it's rising rapidly.
	And remember, most seats are won on a slender majority, with only 65-70% of the electorate actually voting.
	So that translates in the maths to sufficient vulnerability.
	And all we have to do, if we're not sure we're theorising correctly, is just look over at Europe, and plot the European data, and they did the same thing.
	Why not Britain?
	Duh, Brexit.
	Brexit has caused us five years of hell, waiting for something.
	There was a mandate that should have been delivered immediately.
	Right, so we're five years behind Europe.
	Yes.
	That's interesting.
	And yet, I don't know if this is a distraction from the main argument, but I've noticed one of the most disappointing facets of what's happened in the last year or so, this authoritarian takeover by the kind of globalist elite, is that a lot of the The worst people supporting this authoritarianism are people who voted Brexit.
	They haven't resisted.
	They haven't.
	The resistance has come from right of the ERG and the Conservatives and from Momentum and some left-wing MPs.
	But the people, when you poll the people directly, Ipsos, Mori, all the polls, the people are terribly peeved, James.
	So here's some key data.
	55% of UK and the last poor believe the political system is broken.
	78% of the electorate believe no party speaks for them.
	That's how much democratic discontent there is.
	It's tremendous untapped, tremendous untapped discontent.
	And last year, the year the vaccine is going to made that that and the British people are waiting patiently to punish the politicians.
	Hence the opportunity.
	Hence the call to arms, James.
	So I chopped up.
	Well, yeah.
	The call to arms.
	You have actually put a sort of almost smile on my face.
	I wanted to ask you something which I've now forgot.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know.
	I wanted to talk to you about the Brexit party and UKIP, which it seems to me I was in the early days, I was involved with UKIP in various forms, mainly because I was attracted.
	I was.
	The thing about UKIP was that it seemed to be like, well, I think Farah described it as like herding cats.
	And that you'd go along to a UKIP meeting.
	And there were some people like me who basically wanted a flat tax and wanted, you know, very limited government.
	They wanted this to become the Singapore of Europe and the Hong Kong of Europe.
	And then there were those who who really wanted a kind of form of, well, socialism of with with
	industrial policies and and mercantilism and you know trade barriers to English goods for the English people and and other people had had a thing about fox hunting they wanted to ban it and I thought hang on a second what do you actually stand for this party and then and then of course you had the other complication the Tommy Robinson factor I think I'm a fan of Tommy Robinson.
	I think he's a decent person.
	I don't think he's evil far-right.
	I think he's a political prisoner.
	I think he's been produced horribly by the system.
	And yet, Nigel Farage pointedly threw him to the wolves.
	And I'm not sure that was a fair thing.
	No, I don't believe it was, but I saw them in the act and the play as the death throes of the post-Brexit consequence.
	Three times the Conservatives were challenged from 2014.
	Will there be a referendum?
	Yes, there was.
	It was lost.
	Will it be delivered?
	So the Farage story, the UKIP story, were three kind of narratives in Macbeth.
	Running, fair is foul and foul is fair, right?
	Wither through the fog came these three little creatures.
	The Tommy Robinson movement, part of it.
	But it's all to be blunt over now.
	What matters now is the Brexit thing is behind.
	What matters is what the British people want for the next election and the one after that.
	And all of their policies can be traced to the opportunity, something about mass migration.
	You can show each, and that's how the AFD won, that's how the Swedish Democrats won, that's how the Vox party won, saying, look, you're changing society for whatever reason, economic, cultural values, because you just keep, the globalists keep throwing more people.
	They just keep throwing more people, right?
	So even migrants, non-native, non-white migrants are against migration.
	60% in London of non-white migrants are opposed to more migration.
	And the Conservative Party just keeps saying, just waving them in, like it's just some sort of grand entrance to Britain.
	Come on in, have a hotel, have a room, add some more, because the globalists are giving the Conservative Party motivations to do so, i.e.
	the cathedral is.
	So I think the opportunity is strong, and if one had doubt, if one was like St.
	Thomas and pressed the flesh and wasn't sure, and you alluded to being a sceptic earlier, all one has to do is look at Europe and go, well, they can do it.
	I find it terribly irksome that you wouldn't do it for Britain.
	Whatever doing it means, it can be done because they did it.
	It needs to be done, otherwise we're just screwed, for lack of a better word.
	There's nothing to conserve anymore.
	It's all going to be given away, right?
	So that's the way to look at it.
	It's interesting.
	No, it is.
	It is very interesting that when I write my, when I write my articles for Breitbart, for example, I look at the comments below.
	I mean, it's quite painful, actually, because they're generally quite hostile to me for some reason.
	They all seem to hate me.
	I wonder whether I wonder whether they are the crowd that you've described.
	What would Patriotic Alternative?
	Because they do seem very, very obsessed with immigration.
	They love stories about immigration and Islam and everything comes down to that.
	And if this is what a lot of people are concerned about, I guess you're right.
	It's something we need to tap into.
	You talk about the AFD.
	I think a lot of English people, British people have been so programmed by our media to think of When they hear AFD they automatically think neo-Nazis.
	But tell me a bit about the AFD.
	What are they like?
	What are their values?
	They literally occupy that thinnest wedge of identitarianism and they want a traditional conservative Germany.
	They're not neo-Nazis.
	They purge them all.
	They have 90 seats in Parliament.
	There's no Nazi party with any seats in Europe anywhere.
	So of course they're not Nazis.
	The German traditional conservatives weren't scared to take that populist, national populism message to the German people going, Merkel, look, Merkel wants to let in millions of doctors and engineers.
	Do you want that?
	And the German people are like, no, I don't.
	And the German centre-left said, look, they're racist.
	They don't want millions of doctors and engineers.
	And the market forces decided to reward the AFD.
	So my mate, who is the MP of Parliament, he's like the equivalent of the MP in the equivalent of Islington in Berlin.
	He's sort of one in Jeremy Corbyn's home hood.
	That's how much the people resonated with his message.
	So if you're a market forces person, you go, look, the market has rewarded the AFD for just standing on the fact they wish to protect German traditional conservatism.
	And their messaging was nothing like the studio.
	By the way, this is a sidetrack thing.
	You look to me like an image from a sort of 1970s episode of Doctor Who.
	You look all beyond pixelated.
	It's all weird.
	Am I coming across as clear?
	You are.
	You get a little bit of pixelation once in a while, but I think that's to do with your bandwidth.
	When you have a satellite, the time to deliver packets is not constant.
	So you're going to constantly get this shaking image effect.
	I'm really sorry, Ralph, that people are going to barely see what you look like except in kind of intervals.
	Thank goodness your content is so good that I think people will forgive it, but it's bloody annoying.
	Maybe afterwards we can talk about how the hell I get my internet better, given that I live in the country and I've got, you know... I mean, all the devices I can buy that make my... Is this the wrong time to tell you that I made sure that was happening so people can't see me, James?
	Sorry?
	What?
	I'm saying, this is the wrong time to tell you I messed with the software to make sure you couldn't see me.
	Oh, I see, I see.
	Very cool.
	Sorry.
	Tell me how to do this.
	I'll just point someone else.
	So, okay.
	So how do we go about persuading people in patriotic alternative to eschew anti-Semitism, sort of socialist economics and whatever sort of socialist economics and whatever the other unattractive qualities they've got?
	Because, I mean, presumably they're quite wedded to those things now.
	I don't think we need to.
	So if you look at the data and the sizes for PA, they serve as a loud beacon of what is right, surrounded by a moat of stuff that's unacceptable.
	But the iceberg principle holds true.
	90% of people don't comment, they don't say anything, they just watch and listen.
	So PA has a valuable role to talk about the good things, and most of the good people who silently watch will move to a vehicle when they have a choice.
	Because they don't have an alternative vehicle, we just let PA scream about migration, demographical basement, identitarianism.
	Let them keep screaming, because they're doing a very important meta-political job in fighting the far-left narrative.
	So they keep fighting the far-left narrative until a vehicle exists where ordinary English people go, I like all the great things you're saying, Joshua Pierre, but I really don't want to make any ovens or anything insane like that.
	Don't ever mention that to me.
	But you see what I'm saying?
	They don't want to, right?
	So those people wouldn't actually have good English people.
	They're just, they're just, I think they'll be deep programmed.
	That sounds good.
	Okay.
	So I'm optimistic about the, the gap in the market that you've I think the new party is necessary, if anything, just to make sure that those arguments are had correctly.
	If that new party results in the right people taking over the Conservatives, for example, as a consequence, or the Conservatives buckling, then the result is still the good result.
	If, on the other hand, if you look at the AFD, the Swedish Democrats, Vox, La Liga, Salvini, they managed to take that idea into the market, rewarding them.
	So I believe such a party would threaten the conservatives on the right.
	Either, you know, just like UKIP and Brexit did, either people will go to it if it's credible, viable and delivers on what they want, or it will make the conservatives, God forbid, Yeah, I can't see that happening because they have been hijacked by the globalists and I see no resistance from even within the party.
	If I was Blunt James, my intention is for it to be a new party, a modern digital party, like one that's never been seen before, that learns from the AFD, learns from the Swedish Democrats and makes a British version.
	That's my routine.
	You're just the tech guy though.
	How are you going to make this happen?
	It's probably a longer separate conversation, but the skeleton for such a party has already been registered just recently with the Electoral Commission.
	So there's a whole technical plan and a very detailed plan for that, but that's probably a longer separate conversation if you'd like to ever have that.
	Because the only way to beat the conservatives is technology.
	You can't beat them any other way.
	The establishment is too strong.
	The win must be in technology, in my view.
	It's a bit like how Dominic Cummings was able to mastermind the Brexit thing.
	Absolutely.
	He hired 25 to 30 very smart horns from the city with a tremendous amount of big data analytical skills.
	Brought from financial markets, brought from massive data analysis to find where the voters are and what they want to hear.
	That was not done by hand.
	But haven't the Conservatives got these data analysts and quants and things as well?
	The brilliant news is that civil war finished by the globalists kicking out Mr Dominic Cummings.
	I'm purging his little camp!
	I still can't work out, Ralph, whether he's a goodie or a baddie, because it seems to me that he is basically a technocrat, which as far as I'm concerned makes him one of the bad guys.
	I think his heart and soul would be, he would be happy with good governance as opposed to a proper mince pie.
	I don't think you truly loved England as much as you loved a good England by some technocratic, utilitarian metric.
	And that's just not good enough for a Conservative, I'm afraid, is it?
	No, it's bloody good!
	It's actually quite awful!
	Absolutely, it's bloody good.
	But OK, so I'll be interested to hear more, you know, talk to you more about your nascent party, if anything comes of it.
	But here's my fear, that You've seen how quickly the world has collapsed in the last 12 months.
	The technocratic project, which is the project of the Triateral Commission, which is the project of the United Nations Agenda 2030, which is the project of the Great Reset for the World Economic Forum.
	It seems to me that we're not, well, we even have another election after a certain point.
	The globalists have won.
	I know the globalists believe they have won, but the globalists are terribly scared of populism rising, and they're hoping to steer people through the economic uncertainty post-reset.
	Say, six to nine months from now, 90% of the vaccination risk, etc., has gone away.
	They're going to try to paint the meta-narrative in the cathedral, hence Build Back Better, They're going to say, build back better, follow us, we have the plan, this is it.
	So the resistance at the Meta-political starts by saying, build back better is the worst thing that could happen to Britain.
	And the answer is to build back Britain and not build back better, right?
	To actually compete with that globalist narrative that must be populist.
	It can't just be conservative, liberal or socialist.
	The Cathedral beat any three of those things alone.
	It must unite the people.
	And it looks like the people, look, they're going to be terribly peeved two and a half years from now, James.
	They're going to want to punish people.
	In May, they're going to punish people in the local elections.
	Because British people love to punish people in elections.
	It's part of the English culture.
	Even if they don't get it, it would be punitive.
	They're going to be terribly, terribly peeved once we have 30% of world GDP adjusted in three years' time, having wiped off the table.
	But Amazon have got a lot of money.
	Mrs Jones can't quite make ends meet.
	But Jeff Bezos seems to be just getting richer.
	So enough people are going to be feeling discontent.
	All projections look like that.
	Okay.
	Hence my optimism.
	I might be Professor Pangloss.
	This might be Candide.
	I might be Voltaire running around going, Oh, it's Professor Pangloss.
	You are Professor Pangloss, I fear.
	Yeah.
	Well, um, what else was I going to ask you?
	There's so many questions that I ought to be asking you.
	Um, okay.
	So you reckon you're optimistic that the Great Reset is not going to destroy us all that quickly and there's going to be there is room for.
	Oh, yes.
	I know what I was going to ask you.
	I've noticed something and this this relates to Tommy Robinson.
	I mean, I'm not obsessed with him.
	I just think he's an interesting case.
	I followed some of his brushes with the English justice system and what became clear to me was that my faith in In English common law and the integrity of the British justice system was was sorely misplaced that that it was clear that the establishment was out to get Tommy Robinson and and because they needed somebody on the so called far right to make an example of it and you see.
	When you get people like the head of counter-terrorism in the London, you know, one of the black policemen, I think he is, or maybe he's Neil Basu, is constantly bashing, banging on about the far right, you know, the idea that somehow the threat from the far right is as great as it is from fundamentalist Islam, which it clearly isn't.
	But I was wondering whether this is the Globalist elite in cahoots with the media, in cahoots with the judiciary, positioning itself in advance to to brand any insurgent movement, even a kind of a nice, not kind of far right party like you're talking about, to brand them as far right in order to crush them.
	It's a really well thing.
	I follow Tommy's movement very closely myself, in the flesh, so to speak, as well.
	And the reason for that is very specific, and that story is Islam.
	The globalist engine knows that on a per capita basis, Muslims in the UK, with their projection growth rate, are 42% underrepresented in the House of Commons.
	We're going to see 40 to 50 Muslim MP seats.
	Baroness Farsi is purging the Conservative rank and file.
	in an attempt to avoid the formal definition of Islamophobia in the Parliament.
	So what the globalists are doing is making sure all three parties are purging Islamophobes as they yield power to the incoming Muslims who are 40% underrepresented compared to every other group, compared to say, Indians and Sikhs.
	The Labour Party and Conservative Party want those Muslim votes.
	They're chasing them.
	Tommy Robinson's a convenient bogeyman.
	Hey, he just is going after the Muslims.
	Look, going after the Muslims.
	So Michael Portello might be on his knee in Islamic wear in Eton and Slough trying to seduce the Muslims for the new Conservative Party, while Tommy Robinson serves as a bogeyman and they neglect Muslims.
	I see.
	Yes, that's the game.
	That's interesting.
	So if you look at the MPs for Muslims, there are 19 Muslim MPs and in the next five to eight years, per capita, there should be 48 seats.
	Labour and Conservative are on their knees.
	The Conservative Labour Party are on their knees to seduce these Muslim voters.
	That's interesting.
	That's a separate issue.
	So, presumably they're not going to be friends of our project.
	They're not going to be.
	I mean, there's something in Islam that... Where was I listening to this?
	Was it on one of your podcasts or somewhere else?
	I forget.
	But certainly, One of the things I totally respect about Islam is it hasn't bought into the globalist shit at all, has it?
	I mean, it wants to keep its traditional values.
	It's never had the enlightenment.
	It's the biggest problem for the globalists because it's actually truly reactionary.
	It never had an enlightenment.
	It never separated a king, god, queen and country were never separated for Islam.
	So they're coming here, this is just an expansionist, but the globalists want to play the political boss of the cathedral.
	And Tommy Robertson was a kind of like a character on the court, like a chess star almost.
	And you're right, James, they abused the power of the English liberal state.
	They abused the authorities to do things to him they wouldn't or shouldn't have done to an ordinary English citizen.
	But they did so for political reasons.
	So, is there any way that the...
	Is there any way Islam can be our friend in this?
	Or is it just another power base?
	It depends on your time horizon.
	So if you go back to 1,400 years in the gates of Vienna, you project the next 1,500 years, Islam in Europe is going to go to about 15% demographic strength.
	What is the ideal for English Conservatives?
	Either all those Muslims vote Conservative, or they vote Labour, or, in a perfect world, They form Islamic parties that take away the Muslims from both the traditional left and right.
	There are 23 such parties in Europe now.
	And you say, OK, don't give your votes to the Labour or the Tories.
	Just go find a Muslim party where you have 10 to 20 MPs by yourself.
	You can't really do any harm to the majority.
	You can look after your self-interest.
	But we get the true conservative right not to cop to Islam.
	Because then the Conservatives don't need to yield to Islam.
	Right now, the idea that Baroness Varsy is purging the English Conservative Party, it just beggars belief to me.
	She's so thick!
	She's extraordinary!
	Can you imagine what was going through David Cameron's... He's got his first in PPE, and this man is apparently so thick that he can't look at Baroness Varsy and not realise that A, she's incredibly stupid, but B, She's in service of a cause which is inimical to conservatism.
	Well, I can't speak Arabic, but if I were to learn two words in Arabic, I'd be looking for the words for sedition and heresy.
	I have no idea what the Conservative Party are thinking.
	It's a seditious act.
	But there you go.
	That's the state of the Conservative Party.
	Okay, so the so we're sort of not sure where where whether Islam is going to be a help or a hindrance in this it's a sort of that's a I personally my personal views I believe Islam is a tremendous reaction force to ally with against the cathedral I I encourage Muslims to look after their own self-interest.
	I tell them to shake off this veil that you're British and care about British life.
	Be as Muslim as you wish to be.
	And therefore, in your best interest, you should have an Islamic party, not these right-wing racists or these left-wing social justice warriors.
	Be more Muslim.
	I support that because your enemy is the cathedral.
	It's coming for you too.
	Go tell the left there's no LGBTQ education in schools.
	Go tell the conservative English people you don't want to be like them and just be more Muslim.
	And that takes the power away from our enemies, James.
	I don't want those votes going to Jeremy Corbyn.
	I want to take the votes away from both of them.
	I want to encourage Muslims to be stronger Muslims.
	Keep your identity, I say.
	Does that make sense?
	It's just tactics, right?
	Well, it's interesting, Ralph.
	One of my I've had quite a quite an interesting political journey this last year or so.
	And one of them has been, you know, I used to buy into the traditional idea of, you know, the Islamic threat that that that, you know, there were these evil fundamentalist Muslims hellbent on blowing us up and machine gunning us and stuff.
	And now, I'm beginning to realize that a lot of this sort of bad stuff that goes on in the Middle East, Is it essentially proxy wars created by the military industrial complex from the Americans?
	For example, the not Trump people, because I don't think Trump was against the wars, but pretty much every other president, certainly the Bushes, certainly Biden, massively invested in foreign wars.
	The root cause of absence, again, is the cathedral is using, at the global, international stage, is using the full power of the cathedral against any nation, state, or group that goes against it.
	It wishes to weaken Islam, so it drags in the West, all sides in, because it wishes to weaken this reactionary force that will not comply.
	Your average black daddy is not interested in Locke and Hume.
	He doesn't care for the Whigs and the English Revolution.
	He's going to tell his daughter what to do.
	Right?
	He's going to pick up who she marries.
	And the globalists can't have that because young Fatima must be made Citizen 126.B, right?
	So, right, and Britain should keep its hands out of this.
	We should not be involved in any of this stuff.
	The troops should not be participating in any such thing.
	They should be defending the channel.
	People seem to be getting across in dinkies.
	That's what their job should be.
	Deploy the Royal Navy up and down the channel, and that's it.
	So, anyway.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's interesting.
	Well, I think we've sort of... We've dipped our toe in the water, haven't we, Ralph?
	We've had a good...
	It's been a great conversation and you've taught me lots and I think people are going to be surprised and interested by a lot of the stuff.
	I haven't read any of the stuff you've said in our media at all really.
	read any of the stuff you've said in any media at all, really.
	There's different stuff.
	Why is that?
	The media's narrative of the NRX movement got into Downing Street by Dominic Cummings and gotten by Trump and a few people, Peter Thiel, into the White House.
	But the media, the liberal media, don't like the NRX.
	What does NRX stand for, by the way?
	We consider ourselves like geeks who are neo-reactionaries.
	So we are true reactionaries.
	We're true conservatives.
	We frown on the Enlightenment, James, I'm afraid to say.
	We frown on the Enlightenment.
	So we're terribly, terribly anti-liberal, if you like.
	I don't think it's a matter of... Who are your... Well, what am I?
	Now I'm questioning my politics.
	Who are your heroes?
	Immanuel Kant, for example, right?
	So people, you know, critique a few reasons.
	People actually understood when you separate God, Queen, and Country, you'll eventually lose all.
	So we look at the intellectual heritage from the counter-revolutionaries running at the same time as Locke and Hume, walking all the way to Nietzsche, walking.
	Hang on a second, Mr. European.
	If you leave God, Queen, and Country in the union that made the European people great and amazing, you're going to give the whole bloody thing away.
	So, from Immanuel Kant all the way to the counter, we actually have been challenging this idea that freedom is your sacrosanct principle, that liberty is the beyond and end of, that you're born free.
	We reject these things as being just liberal forms of power.
	We believe such things are not true conservatism.
	Okay.
	because it puts England before an Englishman, for example.
	An Englishman's limited. - Okay, so are there any, who are the English philosophers that represent your position? - And the recent ones, recent ones would be technical, would be people like Nick Land, for example, These are very technical analysis now at this point.
	People are looking at the future of protecting what's left of this human biodiversity.
	So it gets quite esoteric and stuff.
	In terms of modern traditionalism, of course, Evler backwards would be quite useful, right?
	So Schopenhauer, Evler backwards, would be good conservatives.
	Schopenhauer is a good conservative.
	Heidegger was a great conservative.
	You see, I haven't met any of these people.
	But what about something like George Orwell?
	I mean, he sort of outlined Englishness, didn't he?
	More recently, Roger Scott, for example, people understand, you know, there's still something deep, deep to hold on to, right?
	There's something deep that is English only because it's quintessentially English, because it's a long tail end of English tradition.
	And therefore it can't be removed from its historicity.
	You didn't get that particular type of cheese.
	You only got that cheese because it was made for 500 years by these people in Wiltshire, who understand that that beauty of that thing is by itself much more important than freedom and liberty.
	Right, for example.
	It's a true traditionalist in the same time.
	Okay.
	Ralph, I don't know how much it's gone over my head, but that's good.
	I mean, if you went to Stanford, I mean, you must be quite clever.
	Yeah, you can tell me when I've turned this off how I can improve my... I don't think people want to watch that bit.
	Yeah, how you can make my internet less shit.
	Anyway, everyone, I hope you've enjoyed this podcast as much as I have.
	And please remember to support me on Patreon or Subscribestar.
	I've got a fantastic community.
	I call it Cafe Delingpole, and people are really helping me out.
	And you'll notice I've done, I do, my productivity has increased quite dramatically, not just because of lockdown, but because I find this really interesting.
	And yeah, see that thumb there?
	Yeah.
	And you know, it's gonna, I think it could turn into something big and good.
	And also, you know, I'm so much better.
	Okay, maybe my technical stuff isn't as good, but I'm so much better than the much bigger names.
	I ask more interesting questions.
	I get more interesting guests.
	I don't kind of censor myself.
	So if you believe in that stuff and you want to fight the Great Reset, which I'm about the only person in Britain doing right now, please support me.
	Thanks.
	And thank you, Ralph.
	That was just great.
	It's been a pleasure, Jamie.

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