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March 7, 2021 - The Delingpod - James Delingpole
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Illana Rachel Daniel
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I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
Welcome to the Deling Pod with me, James Deling.
And I know I always say I'm excited about this week's special guest, but I really am.
Her name is Elana Rachel Daniel.
And I discovered Elana on my favorite new medium, which is Telegram.
It just seems to me that one of the better solutions to this terrible, terrible world that we're living in seems to offer privacy and no censorship, unlike most of the media controlled by big tech.
Anyway, Elana, You, I don't know what they're called, a sort of voice tweet or something, you know, where you put on a sort of voice message and you described something that is of great concern to me, which is this mass vaccination program taking place in Israel.
And you're talking to me from, are you in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?
I'm in Jerusalem.
You're in Jerusalem, yeah.
First of all, tell me a bit about yourself before we move on to this shocking story.
You weren't born in Israel.
You're American.
Right.
I'm American.
I was born in Virginia, just outside of Washington, D.C., and I've been in Israel since 98.
I came here finishing a degree in anthropology and I grew roots here over the years.
And your husband is originally English.
I mean, are you both sort of Israeli citizens now?
Is that how it works?
For sure, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
My husband's here less time, maybe 10, 11 years, but yeah.
Right, okay.
He's from your side of town, yeah.
And I, regular listeners of my podcast will know that I'm kind of obsessed with Israel, and I'm very, very pro-Israel.
Like, My brother and I, Dick, wanted to do a podcast special called Dick and James Go to Israel.
And there's lots of stuff that we found exciting and enticing about Israel.
I mean, apart from the amazing history, you've got things like Fauda, which is just about my favorite TV series.
Are you a Fauda fan, Ilana?
Yeah, actually my husband specifically got a Netflix so that he could learn Hebrew by watching Fauda.
So yeah, we're fans.
There you go.
You see, a lot of people say how remarkably similar I am to Doron from Fauda.
You know, similar build, similar kind of can-do, no-nonsense attitude.
I reckon that if I went into into Gaza on a secret operation, you know.
I'd be able to handle myself pretty well, you know, if I had to extract some... No problem, yeah, for sure.
I was driven.
So all this stuff, and I mean, I have actually... I have once been briefly to Israel.
I mean, I have actually swum in the... well, you don't swim, do you, in the Dead Sea?
I've sort of floated and sort of... Right.
It's been unbalanced because it's quite hard to sort of stay.
And I mean, good things about Israel.
I'm thinking of Yotam Otolenghi's food and that kind of thing.
You've just got so much going for you.
But now all this has been thrown into doubt.
I mean, I don't want to make it all about me, but I'm just sort of putting my feelings about Israel in context.
I have been really shocked with what is going on in Israel, which seems to be pushing these so-called vaccines more aggressively than any country on earth.
So tell me about what's going on, Ilana.
Yeah, so I agree with everything you're saying.
The thing I think it's so important to understand is that what's happening here is it's it is very specifically happening in Israel because we're kind of the heart of what's So I'll get to that in a minute, but it is not specific to Israeli politics or Israel as the richness of the land and things that you're talking about.
That can't be sullied by what's happening.
But what is happening is since December, they have implemented, and again, there's no choice.
They just decided unilaterally, they signed our government, Under Benjamin Netanyahu signed a contract that we've only seen a redacted version of with Pfizer that literally sold his people to be the guinea pigs of the world and everyone in the world knows that except for us.
So it's been a program that he's done so crudely.
I mean just There is, it's kind of impossible to draw the picture of literally just like you take a big fat crayon and just, and just say that they just decided from one day to the next that everybody will be vaccinated.
There's no informed consent.
There is no risk benefit analysis.
There is absolutely zero understanding of the undertaking.
And it's very deliberate because were there any, then you wouldn't be able to get out these mass numbers.
And we know there's a quota.
There is a penalty clause.
And they have numbers that they need to see filled and they're going to make darn sure that that happens.
And again, when I say crude, I mean, they're offering people pizza.
Come and get a free slice of pizza if you get your shot.
It's madness.
And when I say that, I have relatives in the States who have taken this injection.
With some more thought, they were given a stack of papers, you know, to, here's side effects to look out for, here's a number to call, here, get your injection, you wait 15 minutes, science is done, it's proven, go on your way, and there is no data being collected.
Yeah.
So that's the shortest version.
Oh no, Ilana, you've, you've, you've spelt it out very clearly there.
And look, I mean, let's, let's cut to the chase here.
The Jewish people, are kind of the last people on Earth you would imagine that it's right for this kind of experimentation to be forced on.
I mean, have we forgotten what happened in 1944-45?
I mean, my head's exploding.
It's mind-blowing.
Yeah, the thing is, it's like, you know, when I started off with this, do I think that specifically Pfizer picked this?
I mean, there's reasons, there's logical reasons that Israel was chosen for this experimentation.
Because we're this little hermetically sealed environment, we have decades of perfectly meticulously recorded medical history that they can blame any side effects on.
And you have our very ambitious Prime Minister who wants to be with the big boys.
So there's a lot of reasons.
But the personalness, again, it's so personal on levels, spiritual and historical, that the Jewish people are chosen in their homeland.
You can't, it cannot be a more I'm looking for the word in English.
Betrayal.
You actually have people who survived the Holocaust only to be injected experimentally in their homeland.
This place was supposed to be a refuge.
And we're being attacked by our own people.
You really, if you, if you, if you drew a picture, you couldn't have made it more meticulously painful.
Yes.
Yes.
Yeah.
Well, exactly.
And it raises all sorts of questions.
Yeah, go on.
Well, no, I was just, I mean, look, I haven't, I'm not up to speed on all the kind of the various, well, I suppose what hitherto have been dismissed as conspiracy theories, you know, I mean, You get a lot in, you hear a lot in America from the left, particularly about the Jewish lobby and about how Israel is basically a kind of, a sort of creation of the US and, you know, entirely dependent on massive US funding.
And I'm just wondering whether there's something, I think somebody's written about this, that That Israel is basically being used as an experiment by the kind of American deep state that Netanyahu is doing the bidding of this shadowy, amorphous cabal of which Pfizer would be very much part.
Anthony Fauci would be very much part.
You're kind of guinea pigs.
You're experimental guinea pigs, damn it.
Yeah, we absolutely are.
I mean, everybody knows it.
Even I watched a clip, the head of Pfizer himself said, Israel's our laboratory.
They know exactly what they're doing.
He said that?
Yes, he literally said the words, Israel is the world's laboratory.
It's known to everybody except the Israeli people who are kind of like, no, you say the word vaccine.
And I had written an article before all of this that said, we're not giving, there are risks here.
There are decades of risks with mRNA.
And understand, these are not just, I might get struck by lightning kind of risks.
These are really very solid concerns.
And can we talk about it?
And the moment, and I said, this isn't even a true vaccine.
And if we, because you know, you see vaccine and it's all lizard brain, they just, Nobody can even think.
Suddenly everything that we've known, that there's one particular target, the only risk of death, with exception, of course, it's always been the one thing we've known this whole insane year is that the age 65 or older and those with comorbidities are the only people at risk of death.
And suddenly we must vaccinate the children?
The children?
Have we lost our mind?
Pregnant women?
You know, for me, in Israel, and talking about the betrayals, when they started a program, and again, it was so crudely done, the night before they wanted to start injecting pregnant women, there was a bunch of articles.
Suddenly, for the first time in a year, 30 different women were in critical condition in the hospitals.
It's so obvious.
And then there's ads on the radio, please come and get your injection to save the baby, when this has never been the entire year.
This is the things we know, people just forget.
A vaccine, they hear vaccine and it's like this zombie, you know.
One of the acknowledged things about the vaccine, which is why I think not just the Pfizer one, but I think the AstraZeneca one as well, is that they are not recommended for pregnant women.
And there have been miscarriages, not just pregnant women, but women considering getting pregnant.
And yet here you are.
Can they really be wanting to inject this stuff into the entire Israeli population?
Children as well, women of childbearing age and Everyone has gotten it.
Everyone.
They have told children in schools down the road from me, in Jerusalem, 16 year old kids who have no ability to make a decision.
16 year old kids, you can't take your matriculation exams.
If you don't come with this injection in your body, it's absolute madness.
What grandparent would want to risk their grandchildren's lives?
It's just the whole thing is so obvious.
All of these... Getting to the answers is really quite linear.
If you ask one question, it takes you on a very straight line to where we are today, seeing that this...
The corruption, but the corruption that's much bigger than specifically Israel, that's very clearly by all of our leaders, most of the leaders worldwide, have very clearly an agenda.
And we know that what's happening here is the model.
We know that, again, I wanted to be clear that Israel and the Jewish people, I know that there's so much There's so much misunderstanding about what happens here in Israel and historically.
But to understand that what's happening, regardless of people's political understandings, that we have, we've always been the canary in the coal mine.
That's just the job that the Jewish people have always, we have this job to reflect.
To reflect to the world.
And when there's rot with us, there's rot in the world.
That's just how it goes.
It's just how it goes historically.
It's just what it is.
That's interesting.
Yes.
The model, we will be using the model very specifically.
Again, whether it just happened because we had these great medical records, it is very specific that we are happening here.
And we know, and my call to the world is saying, this is our chance to be human in a way that we have never had before.
They're pushing past all our divisions where we don't have to be left or right or religious or Muslim.
We get to be humans.
We get to really connect and say, We are stronger than the few.
These few up top have their agendas.
And if we can do that, it's tremendous.
And understanding that fighting for Israel, standing up, is a fight for yourself.
We know that here.
We know that this battle, that they must see through.
They want, they have to see this program succeed here, because we're going to be the model for the rest of the world.
And so the pressure for it to come in is greater than it's ever been, you know?
These entities that we're up against, the pharmaceutical, the government, the Great Reset type things, it's got to work here, you know?
So that's why we need this global recruit.
You mean in a way that you have to crush the Jews first?
Because for sort of symbolic purposes and because, yeah, I sort of see that.
But I mean, it does sound, it does sound like a Nazi experiment.
There's no way of getting around it.
It's like, I mean, the future of Jewish survival, you know, reproduction and stuff.
If you're injecting these, they're not vaccines, they're this experimental therapy.
into young Jewish, it horrifies me.
I can't believe that I'm living in a time where such things could be possible.
You must feel the same way.
It's mind-blowing, you know, because we all say, never again, we all read 1984, you know, we all, we're so sure we'd be diligent, you know, we're looking over here to be diligent should these things happen, and in the meantime, it's happening over here, and we're saying, but no, we've got to, because there's this virus, you know, and what's even more painful is that people who respect, who we love, our relatives, our neighbors, are validating these
These horrific things were all where this frog in the pot being boiled up and pretending it's not that hot yet.
It's not that hot.
They've got a reason, you know, like trying to breathe above the water.
It's madness.
And the thing is what woke me up at the very beginning was kind of like a shut up in bed type of thing that I realized at the beginning of this.
I mean, for me, I've been in the vaccine safety world for a while.
So it wasn't a surprise that this agenda was happening.
But when it came on and the way they just, there's no choice here.
Other places in Europe and in America, it's kind of like, oh, would you please come and take this vaccine you really have to take, you know, but here they're just like, smack, choke, you know, and if you don't, you don't get to work, you don't get to, you know, you don't get to, you don't get to be attacked.
Healthy, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens are not allowed into the museums that we support because we didn't take an experimental injection that has no existing safety studies.
We've lost our collective minds.
We can't go to our choir groups we've been with for years.
I just want to say that for me, the wake-up call was that this is what a Holocaust looks like in 2021.
We don't do bang-bang, shoot it out anymore.
This is it.
This is for real.
This is what war looks like today.
It's the war of your mind and of your body.
This is the last, last, last terrain.
And they know that.
Oh, Alana.
It's just... Do you know, a while ago on Twitter, I was I think I wasn't the only one to tweet the phrase, it's only a yellow star, you know, lots of... because I was brought up, you know, I grew up in the shadow of the war, you know, my teachers had all fought in the war.
The Holocaust was very, very much part of my sort of psychic geography when I grew up.
And I mean, I think everyone of my generation feels that.
And we used to ask ourselves questions.
I mean, I'm not myself Jewish, although I think I'm about the most Jewish gentile there is.
I used to imagine how I would have behaved had I been, say, a Jew in Vienna in the early 1930s.
Would my radar have detected that the time was coming when I had to get out.
Would I have got out in time?
Or say, had I been on one of the cattle trucks taking you to Auschwitz-Birkenau, would I have seen the orchestra playing and been deceived?
All these things go through my mind.
How could it be that Jews are so clever and feisty and, you know, I mean, you are kind of You are super talented, I think.
You punch above your weight.
You've won more Nobel Prizes than any other race and so on.
I mean, I think you're pretty amazing.
And yet this thing happened to you during the war, and so many people... That boiling frog thing happened, didn't it?
Where it's a slow boiling frog, whereby by the time you realized what was going on, it was too late.
And here we are again, experiencing this.
So tell me about a bit about your past.
You say that you were kind of alive to this, the vaccine problem.
What is your background?
So I mean, I come from a health and wellness counselling.
I've been in the vaccine safety world for For a while, writing about it and researching and, like I said, putting out some writings about it.
And listen, in the vaccine world we knew that Healthy Adults 2020, that the future of health has always been vaccination.
The future of healthcare.
Let me just clear this one up.
So you weren't...
You were an anti-vax activist.
You were part of the vaccine industry.
I mean, you were presumably pro-vaccine.
No.
No, you weren't.
No, no, no.
No.
No, no, no.
I was as an independent, my own independent work and study, studying the massive holes in the vaccine programs, these sorts of things that we're seeing now in adults that have been holes in the safety studies.
Yeah.
that have been happening to children for quite a long time.
And as you see, there's a health crisis for children in America, which is the elephant in the room that nobody's able to talk about because we're in this emergency.
But I'm saying that's kind of the language that I come from.
And it was an awareness that there was, you know, there's hundreds of, I think the last count was 270 vaccines in the pipeline, We always know that this is the way that they are taking things and that they would eventually move it to adults.
It was always just the question, how on earth could they do it?
Well, here's the answer.
Here's the answer.
Yes, indeed.
Have you taken any vaccines in your life?
Sure.
I mean, I grew up in America.
I got whatever was going at the time.
And even before I became aware of all this sort of, well, before I became more in-depthly aware, I also, I was going to travel to meet a friend of the Peace Corps in Ethiopia.
And I went down to the local clinic and took whatever they gave me without a thought.
You know, you're supposed to think about it, right?
They've done the work for you.
That whole kind of dialogue is, you don't need to think, we've done it for you, just trust.
And this switching over of science as an absolute, you must pledge your allegiance, it's an ideology as opposed to a dynamic.
learning process that you must necessarily unroot yourself according to the data and the evidence in front of you, but we've lost that entirely.
You're not allowed to question vaccines even though there's a lot of reasons to look for improvements in them.
Yes.
Tell me about your specific concerns with this new generation of, I'm not going to call them vaccines because they're not, they're jabs aren't they?
Tell me what your research has unearthed.
I mean, and again, and I want to say that, that, you know, I'm not, the whole argument that I make personally, even before all this, is not about being a pro or anti.
Everybody wants to make it easy.
We don't live, we talk in black and white, but we live in shades of gray.
This is talking about improving on a product that we're mandating for every newborn child up until today.
This is the discussion we must have.
So everybody wants to stick you in a box, but that's not the box that I'm talking from.
Talking about being against coercion.
I'm talking about Making the best use of science and technology that's available to us.
So mRNA, and I'm not a scientist and I'm not a doctor, but mRNA has a history of, they've never made it out of the stage three animal trials because all the animals, rabbits, cats, monkeys, ferrets, all drop dead of ADE, monkeys, ferrets, all drop dead of ADE, a cytokine storm, this pathogenic priming, which basically means it's sort of, they take the vaccine, everything seems okay.
And then when they're introduced to the wild virus, the virus in the wild, then the body has a extreme inflammatory process.
And generally they died.
They've never been able to, they've never tested this out on the public exactly for that reason.
They know exactly what's going to happen.
You know, there's a great fear, like you said already, of fertility.
The syncytin one and the similarities between the antibodies.
We know that the concern about autoimmune is literally the body not recognizing its own proteins.
And we're literally making, Adding the synthetic pathogen, pathogenic part of the spike protein, into the cellular system.
We have no idea.
And the fact that we're making a second-class citizen, I mean literally in a medical apartheid, literally based on wishful thinking at best.
We don't think.
They're telling me That our point is anti-science when you literally have doctors saying, we don't, doesn't look like, we don't think it will happen.
Well, that's lovely, but you can't, you can't tell me there's enough science to base something on when we know that Corona only came into our lives a year ago, but yet there's a vaccine that was stuck in a vial within eight weeks time is enough to decide that we, we are anti-scientific and we, we can't associate with our communities anymore.
It's a complete madness that's happened.
Yes, I understand that it's an experimental substance until 2023.
So anyone who takes it now is in the experimental phase.
And as you say, there is that massive worry about ADE.
I just wanted to reference, I'm just going to look it up now, This piece that was in new analysis, Pfizer vaccine killed about 40 times more elderly.
and the disease itself would have killed.
It says a re-analysis of data from the Israeli Health Ministry concluded Pfizer's COVID vaccine killed about 40 times more elderly people than the disease itself would have killed during a recent five-week vaccination period, and 260 times more younger people than would have died from the virus.
Now that is just terrifying.
I mean, It's at a website called Children's Health Defense.
And I mean, these guys who've done this report at Kosha, it's by a guy called Dr. Erve Seligman, a member of the Faculty of Medicine Emerging Infectious and Tropical Diseases at Ex-Marseilles University, and engineer Chaim Yativ.
These are not fools.
They've done their research and this is just the beginning.
I mean, we haven't even had the ADE effect yet.
So we've already got excess mortality just from reactions to these jabs.
And if these people encounter the wild virus, we know that there could be this weird antibody reaction.
Where instead of protecting you from the virus, it actually exaggerates its effects.
So I can see why you're reluctant to take it.
Tell me, have you found kind of solidarity with other people like you in Israel?
So there are.
There are.
Well, there are people speaking out more and more.
How do I say this?
There are.
But Israel seems to have a unique situation where we don't see the sort of power of the people on the streets, because of the nature of Israel, which I myself am trying to understand, where you have a population that's really been very uniquely dependent on the government, being this little island on itself.
So the trust that's with the government is sort of Stronger in a way than you have in some bigger, bigger, bigger countries.
You have a profound dependency on the government as well as everybody goes to the army.
This is not an army where you have this kind of stereotype of people.
This is everybody's kids.
Everybody's kids.
They go, they come home with their piles of laundry and they, you know, eat a ton of food and they sleep for the weekend.
They go back, you know, you have, you, you, we are, we're all the same.
It's all the same population.
So, um, So having people speak out has been a different, we've seen it very differently than what we've seen in Europe, you know?
We've seen a couple thousands of people as opposed to the ten thousands you want to see.
rioting in the streets, you know?
Yes, you're sort of like a giant kibbutz, aren't you?
Everyone's sort of pulling together, and everyone does their military service, and probably are used to taking orders, used to obeying orders, ultimately, for the greater good of the state.
Well, also, I mean, our lives have depended on it, you know.
If somebody's attacking us, it's not such an unusual thing.
I mean, you have to be able to depend on your government who says, Go into your basement or whatever it is, you know, I mean there's there's a there's been a very necessary like literally like existing in an island here with a whole lot of there's just been a very necessary necessity for survival.
But the data that you were talking about is, I mean, it will still be coming up because, like I said, you have no real collection of the data.
I wonder myself what Pfizer is getting out of it.
I mean, obviously, the real data that I imagine that Pfizer wants to see, they're not even getting because, like I said, there's nothing being collected, at least to my knowledge.
I have contact with people inside Medical centers here, and they see what they see.
40-year-olds, there's a lot of heart issues happening.
Even in the VAERS, they saw that.
40-something-year-old people dropping dead of heart attack a day or two later, but there's no connection.
There's no connection.
God forbid.
Anybody who gets a shot to the head, you know, and dies, he dies of corona.
But anybody who's taken the vaccine, And clearly has a, you know, a catastrophic reaction.
It's just absolutely coincidence every time.
So, and I see, I hear some really gut-wrenching things that are happening inside our hospitals.
You know, these things can only happen if you have an army to, soldiers to carry out your orders.
Oh my goodness.
Tell me, first of all, has there been any resistance from within Parliament at all?
Any of your MPs or anyone?
Nothing.
I mean, no, well, it's not fair to say.
There's been, you know, there's been a few lone voices of sanity and they quickly, there was one woman, Sasha Shee, and they immediately took her out of the Corona Committee.
You know, we also have a 30-year They put in a 30-year confidentiality act.
We can't know anything.
Not only are they doing the most extreme policy implementation of anywhere on the planet, we don't even have a clue what they're saying in there.
30 years.
No idea.
It's... That is, that is oh my goodness.
It is oh my goodness.
Yeah, yeah, and you have almost no, no, and that's literally, you know, talking about politics, which is a dirty word.
It's a dirty word in my mouth.
I personally have done a fantastic job of avoiding politics my whole life because it's, it's the house of lies.
It's, it's temporary.
It's never interesting.
Based on that, you know, and so the fact that I have Join this party literally only because it is solely a human rights movement.
This is not right or left.
Everybody keeps saying, well, what do you think about this?
I'm just like, this is not, this is a, the house is on fire.
We'll talk about rearranging the furniture some other time.
We only want to get into the health ministry.
We only talk about transparent science.
We only talk about no more lockdowns, no insane grain.
Green passport, no forced anything.
Even vitamin D. You know, vitamin D can mean the meaning of life or death, your vitamin D levels.
But I'm not going to force my Israeli beloved citizens to take vitamin D because I'm just going to give them the information that they could have some responsibility for their own health, you know?
To make these kinds of information ubiquitous the way every little sign on the door is, put your mask on, you know?
How about some actual information of How to prepare your body to rain.
Are there not any kind of sort of cantankerous contrarian old school Israeli journalists or writers or anybody like or sort of media figures who are pointing this out?
Or are you all alone?
Well, I'm starting to connect.
I think the biggest challenge is especially in Israel.
We're starting to make the connections because you have little groups two and four and eight.
So I think finally now it's As far as the journalists, that I haven't seen.
Although, in all honesty, I don't get my news from the mainstream media, you know?
But people are starting more and more to talk.
The protests are finally gaining some strength.
And that's why it really is crucial.
They've cut off, you can't say a word about it in the media.
You cannot suggest that this is not the most fantastic thing, but it's complete.
You know, it's people who are beloved in the media before saying, hey guys, can you mandate something that has death as a side effect?
And they're, you know, off with his head completely.
So, but it's happening.
I had a call this morning.
So it's happening.
I think that, I think that it's very powerful for the first time reaching out to the international community.
For me it feels, I feel hope in a way that I haven't because this is, this is how we win.
There's some people who say, oh, the sheep.
And I can't think like that, because the only way so far that I've come up with to overcome these incredibly powerful forces is if all the people stand up.
That's what they want.
That's why they're separating us.
We are the many, and they are the few.
But if we get together, really, from the inside and out, they can't stop us.
We're in charge.
I totally agree.
I totally agree.
And the situation you describe about the media is exactly the same in the UK, and I think in the US probably too.
But there is not a single newspaper that is arguing against this craziness.
And even one of our leading tabloid newspapers at the weekend, The Mail on Sunday, had a four-page spread telling its readers, who include people like my mother, Telling them that these vaccines, as they called them, were absolutely safe and just ramming home the message.
And also ramming home the propaganda line that people who didn't like the vaccine were anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, this kind of thing.
So they both bigged up the vaccine while simultaneously vilifying anyone who opposed it, making them pariahs.
Now you, tell me a bit more about the pariah status of people who won't take the vaccine.
So you can't go into museums.
I've seen the photographs of those deck chairs on the beach where it said you can only sit here if you've had a vaccine.
So give me a few other examples.
That's it.
We have, I get calls from people.
I can't go to the choir, my choir that I've been a part of for six years.
That's awful.
You can't go to the choir.
I can't join my pool.
They won't even give me my money back for my membership to the pool that they won't let me in anymore.
And, you know, we're allowed still.
A pool with loads of chlorine in the water where you couldn't possibly catch this.
Exactly.
Exactly.
You can't get into your pools, in the gyms.
You know, they've kind of made it so I think they would put malls on the table to keep us out of it.
Oh, maybe only some are adhering and some aren't.
You have some businesses.
It's still playing out because, again, there's no science here that this is based on.
So it's all willy-nilly, but it changes every day.
This morning, they're going to not let you in here.
But what's happening, actually, is on a terrifying level at the airports just this morning.
There was a man who wrote up his personal experience coming into the airport and his mother having been a survivor from Auschwitz.
And he literally felt like he was in a selection.
It was literally, did you have the vaccine or have you recovered from the virus?
Go to the right.
And if you haven't, you go to the left, you get this thing jammed up your nose and they ship you off to these filthy Corona hotels.
You're like a prisoner in your own state.
I saw even, it's, it's, and they, or you can, Use, or I think in some cases, again, I can't be completely specific because it changes from minute to minute, or they give you this security ankle bracelet, which you get to pay the privilege of having, of being a prisoner in your own home, 2,000 shekels per leg, you know, to be monitored in your own home.
And if you don't, and it's quite a physical, there's been some tussles at the airport, you know, women and children, It's insane.
You know, the truth is, and I heard even from Canada that Trudeau also said some pretty crazy, crazy, crazy things as well about anybody coming in internationally and what they'll do.
So whether that may not be unique, it's absolutely being implemented as we speak.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, even in the schools, they're rolling out this program where if you want to participate in your schools, you have to get this swab and if one kid tests positive, the whole class is out.
It's so, it's mad.
It's people who are not, you have, they're pushing you to the extreme.
So people who even wouldn't question vaccines before are saying this is so, you know, it's such a, it's so extreme that it's suspicious.
More than suspicious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, if, if If COVID was such a problem, people would be, you know, if you were in serious risk of dying from COVID, which most of us really aren't, they wouldn't need to empower the state to do all this stuff to you.
You'd be queuing up anyway.
So how did the people in your choir group react?
I mean, do they miss you?
Have you had conversations with them?
This was a friend of mine.
I'm not in a choir group, but it was a friend of mine who literally was crying to me, thinking this one bit of joy that she had.
How people are justifying this, it's still the whole thing.
People are still sending me the same kind of pictures of people crowding together.
Do you think this is right?
It's still this blindness, as if corona is the reason behind it.
With those kind of people, There's not enough, if you're still in that shroud, I think that this is not sort of the energy that I've got the time right this minute to focus on.
It's sort of people who are sitting at home going, something doesn't feel right.
And let's bring articulation to that, to what you're seeing, what you're feeling.
Those are the people that right now need to join this movement.
People who still imagine that this is all about a virus that we could have solved in March with ubiquitous treatments that have been in use since the 1970s.
Again, it's this whole idea which, which I think that if you're asking people, it's a very linear sort of answer to get to the point where our governments know that there's treatments that we have been, there's treatments that we know that work that have been denied us, you know, in order to be able to, you can't have an experimental treatment if you have treatments that work.
So this emergency authorized treatment is absolutely, we have been denied the things that could have saved thousands upon thousands of lives.
Vitamin D, ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine.
We've been denied those quite deliberately.
And if you ask those questions and it tears the whole structure down.
And I think it's too painful.
People have lost so much this year.
It's like, it's some people just, they can't go any further.
And asking those questions.
It's just taking too much.
You know, we've all been good.
We invested decades into this whole structure of society.
It's just asking too much of some people to go there.
Now, before I forget, I was going to mention this earlier.
Have you seen the charts of the deaths in the Palestinian territories compared with Israel?
Much less.
Yeah, much less.
Because, you know, the Palestinians have not been given these so-called vaccines.
And if you believe the narrative, you'd think, well, this is Israel denying the poor Palestinians their lifesaver.
But actually, those Palestinians are very, very lucky, because they're not dying on anything like the same scale.
The spike for deaths in Israel to do with the The vaccine is shocking.
And there's not, I mean, if ever you wanted an experiment where you've got these contiguous territories, contiguous populations, very, very, very similar in many ways, you know, climate and so on.
And yet they're not dying.
The Palestinians are not dying.
The Israelis are.
That's, that's, that's shocking.
I imagine that this is not something you're going to, you're going to see in the, in what are your papers, Haaretz or whatever.
Right, exactly.
Lockdowns as well.
Sorry?
Countries who never locked down.
Countries that have never locked down.
Not one day.
Japan.
Nobody even talks about Japan.
Right next to China.
Yeah, right over there.
Never a day shut down.
Never a force anything.
You know, we in Israel have sat in a cumulative five months of lockdown.
Five months we have been locked in our houses in the past year.
Have you?
What's that been like?
Are you allowed out to take exercise?
How does it work?
So it's changed, because of course everything changes.
So the first one, we weren't, the very first one, you remember the good days back in the first lockdown?
That was only a hundred, it was a hundred meters we were allowed from our house.
A hundred meters.
And 100 meters, 1,000 meters.
We had to be tethered to the house.
And it was very, very extreme.
We could only go to the grocery store.
It was something.
And then the previous ones, then they kind of come up and down.
And they've messed around with it.
They have jerked everybody around to the point that they've lost their minds.
You go to school.
You tell children they can go to school.
And by the next morning, no, we've changed our minds.
You can't.
Green zones, red zones.
It's so, we say Israel-Bel-Hagan.
It's a mess.
It's a massive mess.
So the last one, the third one, which we're still in, I don't even know.
We're still in it.
We're not in it.
And again, you could only go a thousand meters from your house.
And then they finally loosened it so you could do exercise.
You can only take your mask off now.
You can take it off if you're doing exercise.
I'm always doing exercise.
Yeah, I've always got my sneakers on wherever I'm going now.
But yeah, it's insane.
You can't do anything who's essential, who's not essential.
You have people who have... Since October, I know a guy who says, I'm still in second lockdown.
He has a coffee house in Tel Aviv and they've never opened him since October.
That's just, yeah, it's extraordinary.
They're just trying to kill your whole society and your whole culture.
So what are you going to do?
I mean, are you going to, can you escape?
I mean, do you want to escape?
What future do you see in this tyranny?
Because that's what it is.
That's a really hard question because I've never in the nearly 24 years that I've lived here, never Consider leaving.
Listen, this is my, this is, I can't go anywhere else because this is, this is my home in a way that's it.
I can't express it on a personal, my, my life experience level.
And also as a Jew you're plugged in here.
This is where.
This is where I'm meant to be.
This is where I can best do whatever work in the world.
There is nowhere else to go.
And if there was, I mean Florida, apparently Florida is the only place left in the world to go.
They're living lives normally there.
But I can't leave.
This is our fight.
I can't think ahead.
It's like everything is completely opaque.
You know, I have no idea.
I think all of us in the world, we don't have any idea what the future is going to hold.
So it's like you have this little candle and you're just like one step forward, one step forward.
All I know is I can just, all I can do is fight with everything I can and I'll see what happens.
That's all I can do.
Ilana, I totally respect your spirit.
There's a kind of, there's been a very disappointing tendency in my country whereby people who've been resisting up until now.
Certain voices have been saying, well, the battle's over, we lost.
I'm going to take the jab, you know, just have to accept that this is the future.
And I'm thinking, Look, if you want to go in private and mess with your genetics, that's fine.
But don't call the fight over for those of us who want to keep fighting.
I keep going back to the war because I think the war has so many lessons, the Holocaust has so many lessons for us about about kind of groupthink, about just the evil that mankind is capable of, that big government is capable of.
And I'm thinking, okay, the Warsaw Ghetto.
Would it, they could have rolled over and died.
They could have just said, well, The enemy is too strong.
The battle is lost.
But instead, they fought back.
They knew they were going to get wiped out in the end.
Or you think about that example, I can't remember which concentration camp it was in, where there was a sort of brief moment where some of them managed to arrange a breakout.
And I think that these, they may be ultimately Some suicidal gestures, but they matter.
They matter.
You have to fight back for the human spirit, for your people, whatever.
You can't give up.
So I respect you totally.
I think it's really simple.
I think that what is the point of having truth inside you?
I think that right now we're actually very privileged.
We're privileged, those of us who have this truth.
And you see that there's truth because it's universal in languages and countries.
There is a truth that speaks, that is our common denominator.
And it's a gift and it's also an obligation.
And what good is it for it to just sit inside of us and not come out?
We're live now.
This is all systems go.
This is the time to speak out and sometimes get it wrong and sometimes look foolish and so what if the media, whatever, it doesn't matter.
This is it.
This is endgame.
This is what we've been given the opportunity to speak truth for.
I totally agree.
I think that this is the great spiritual battle between good and evil.
I think it really is that and it doesn't matter what religion you are.
I've never felt, not recently anyway, I used to think about things like the threat from fundamentalist Islam and stuff and whatever.
I now look around the world and think this is a battle between human beings and something really sinister.
It doesn't matter what religion we are, what race.
The humans have to unite against this inhuman thing that is being imposed on us by this shadowy elite who don't care about us.
They treat us like cattle.
They are the Nazis.
They want to put us in cattle trucks, and kill us.
That's how little we matter to them.
I think it's particularly pertinent talking to a Jewish woman in Israel about this.
I hope lots of people see this.
I hope lots of Jewish people see this.
I hope lots of Muslim people see this.
This is the big one.
This is it.
This is it.
And like I said, it's the most terrifying thing, but it's also something that's really profound that's happening.
You know, I feel so much hope at being able to be human.
They want to make this Great reset in this sort of cyborg, dark, dystopian world.
But the ball is in the air and we can like, you know, we could hit it to a different way.
You know, there is no going back.
Everybody's going back.
There's no going back.
We can't go back anywhere.
The world doesn't work like that.
But forward, forward, we can build a world that actually is using the knowledge we've gained and make something beautiful.
We could.
It's not some, you know, pipe dream.
We could.
I hope we do.
I think that's a really great way of ending our chat.
I think what you said is absolutely so beautiful and true.
And look, really nice to talk to you and best of luck.
I hope your children grow up and produce many more healthy Jews.
To carry the flame for your race and your religion.
Because what's happening?
It sounds like there's not going to be much breeding stock left which hasn't been tainted by this terrible experiment.
It's just... I don't know.
Anyway, let's stay in touch.
Yes, great.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for talking to me.
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