April 4, 2025 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Defending Religious Freedom in the U.S. with Chaplain Gordon (Dr. Chaps) Klingenschmitt
Religions Freedom is in danger throughout the U.S. and the rest of the supposed "free world." People are being arrested for praying in public, President Biden has coined the term "Christian Nationalists" and has labeled many religious people "extremists" for the way they choose to worship, public schools and cultural institutions have systematically phased out references to Christianity and Jewish students are being harassed by activists on "college" campuses. These are only a few examples of how religion, mainly Christianity and Judaism, are in the crosshairs of Statists, Globalists and Cultural Marxists within the United States, Europe and other formerly-free nations.Chaplain Gordon (Dr. Chaps) Klingenschmitt, who was once court-martialed for praying in uniform while he was in the Navy and fought back, joins Dr. Jerome Corsi to break down what has happened to religions freedom here in America and what needs to be done to defend our rights to worship without government interference and penalty.Visit The Corsi Nation website: https://www.corsination.comIf you like what we are doing, please support our Sponsors:Get RX Meds Now: https://www.getrxmedsnow.comMyVitalC https://www.thetruthcentral.com/myvitalc-ess60-in-organic-olive-oil/Swiss America: https://www.swissamerica.com/offer/CorsiRMP.phpGet Dr. Corsi's new book, The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy: The Final Analysis: Forensic Analysis of the JFK Autopsy X-Rays Proves Two Headshots from the Right Front and One from the Rear, here: https://www.amazon.com/Assassination-President-John-Kennedy-Headshots/dp/B0CXLN1PX1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=20W8UDU55IGJJ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ymVX8y9V--_ztRoswluApKEN-WlqxoqrowcQP34CE3HdXRudvQJnTLmYKMMfv0gMYwaTTk_Ne3ssid8YroEAFg.e8i1TLonh9QRzDTIJSmDqJHrmMTVKBhCL7iTARroSzQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=jerome+r.+corsi+%2B+jfk&qid=1710126183&sprefix=%2Caps%2C275&sr=8-1Join Dr. Jerome Corsi on Substack: https://jeromecorsiphd.substack.com/Visit The Truth Central website: https://www.thetruthcentral.comGet your FREE copy of Dr. Corsi's new book with Swiss America CEO Dean Heskin, How the Coming Global Crash Will Create a Historic Gold Rush by calling: 800-519-6268Follow Dr. Jerome Corsi on X: @corsijerome1Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/corsi-nation--5810661/support.
Now we have a special guest with us today, and I'm very very pleased to be able to introduce This is Chaplain Gordon Klingenschmitt.
He goes by Dr. Chaps.
He was a former Navy Chaplain and I actually came across him when I was working with WorldNetDaily because he has a very famous case we're going to discuss in which he was reprimanded by the Navy for praying in the name of Jesus.
And it led to quite a few repercussions.
I'm going to let him tell the story.
But Dr. Chaps, welcome here today.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you, Dr. Corsi.
I'm honored to see you again.
I think we saw each other in passing at NRB recently.
I was also, you were a guest on our TV show, Pray in Jesus Name News.
which airs on the NRB network, and we're on eight networks and 231 million television home impressions, not including the internet.
If you include the internet, we're on 17 streaming platforms, but not as big an audience as you.
I hear you're like in the top 100 podcasts now across America.
What an honor to be on your show.
Well, it's an honor to have you with us, and NRB is National Religious Broadcasters, and they had their Annual convention just recently in Nashville, which I attended and it was a great event.
It was terrific Donald Trump spoke at it.
It was quite good Now, why don't we start in with your story because you started out with the Air Force Academy and why don't you give us the?
Details of this encounter you had with the Navy because you were praying in the name of Jesus.
Well, thank you I'm honored to tell my story many of your viewers or listeners have already heard but For those who haven't, I am an Air Force Academy graduate.
My degree is in political science, international affairs, and that came in handy when I was a intelligence officer in the Air Force in serving with foreign governments and intelligence exchange with them.
And it also served me well when I ran for office later.
I was later elected to the Colorado State House of Representatives as a legislator.
I used my poli sci degree.
Not many people do unless you go into law.
I did not go into law.
I went into theology.
And having earned my PhD in theology, I wanted to become a chaplain.
Well, the Air Force had too many chaplains.
The Navy didn't have enough chaplains.
So I actually volunteered for a demotion and I switched services.
I was an Air Force major.
We had a demotion ceremony.
They took off my oak leaves and put on lieutenant bars.
One day I was in the Air Force, next day I was in the Navy, and they cut my pay and they sent me to sea.
Welcome to the Navy Chaplain Corps.
And I was a preacher of the gospel of Jesus Christ on a Navy ship.
And our ship went overseas.
We fought in Iraq.
My sailors launched Tomahawk missiles into Iraq.
I was there on the ship with them.
And when we came home from the war, I took the sailors every Friday to feed the homeless.
And they won six awards, including best in the Navy for community service.
So I was on track to be promoted again until there was a controversy about my religion.
And I decided to take a stand.
Well, tell us about the controversy again.
I think this is a very important part of the story, and I want to hear the exact details of what happened.
So please.
Yes, thank you.
In 2006, under the Bush administration, There was a bad policy signed by the Secretary of the Navy, Donald C. Winter, had only been in the job for six months, and I think he was fooled by the religious Pharisees in the Navy Chaplain Corps.
They put a bad policy in front of him that said, chaplains cannot pray in Jesus' name.
You can say non-sectarian prayers in public, For example, you can pray to God, you can say Amen at a public microphone, but if you say in Jesus' name, Amen, you're being insensitive and you should be punished for your speech unless you do that inside of a Sunday chapel.
So Sunday morning it's okay if you're inside the chapel, but if it's Monday through Saturday, don't pray in Jesus' name.
If you're outside of the chapel, don't pray in Jesus' name.
If you're in your military uniform, don't pray in Jesus' name in public.
Don't be seen anywhere.
Well, I thought this is ridiculous.
It not only violates the First Amendment of the Constitution to censor the content of my prayers and for the government to punish that, but I wear the cross of Jesus Christ on my military uniform.
You can see behind me the chaplain motto and the shoulder boards actually have the cross of Jesus Christ on them, so why can't I say his name?
So I decided to take a stand.
I called my friend Judge Roy Moore, the Ten Commandments judge, and he flew to Washington, D.C. There's actually a picture of him on my wall standing next to me.
And we stood outside of the White House on a Thursday morning, and I wore my full dress Navy uniform, and I prayed in Jesus' name on a public sidewalk.
Oh, the horror!
What a crime that was!
But actually, it did violate the new Navy policy, because I was in my uniform, outside of church, on a public sidewalk, and I prayed in Jesus' name on a Thursday.
That's not allowed under the new policy.
They offered me a misdemeanor letter of reprimand, and I said, no, I refuse your letter of reprimand.
I demand my legal right to a court-martial!
And God bless the Navy brass, they granted my request.
Well, okay, so what happened to the court-martial?
So, you can picture it just like in the movies, right?
There's a judge, and a jury, and a prosecutor, and I'm on defense for my faith, and the judge had to read the new policy.
Sec Nav Instruction 1730.7c was the basis of his decision that I violated a so-called lawful order.
Now, the lawfulness of the order did not depend on the First Amendment of the Constitution.
No, they ignored that.
Instead, they found that I was guilty of worshiping in public.
That was literally what the judge ruled.
He said, you can only do that on a Sunday morning inside of church, that public worship is safe inside of church.
But since I prayed on a Thursday morning outside of the White House, I was not engaged in public worship.
Instead, I was worshipping in public.
And worshipping in public is not protected by law.
Guilty of worshipping in public in his Navy uniform and violating the new policy that he specified in his order.
Tears of joy came to my eyes in that Virginia courtroom because I was finally worthy to share in the suffering of standing up for the name of Jesus Christ.
I remember in the Bible, in Acts chapter 4, Peter and John were ordered by the Pharisees, you must not preach or teach or anything at all in Jesus name.
But they said, who are you Pharisees?
Should we obey men or should we obey God?
And they disobeyed men, they obeyed God, they kept on preaching in Jesus name, but they were punished, they were flogged for their disobedience by preaching and praying in Jesus name.
While I was pleased to suffer a similar fate, Although I wasn't flogged, I did get a letter of reprimand and a fine.
But two miracles happened that week, Dr. Corsi.
Number one, a thousand miles off the coast of Virginia, Hurricane Gordon was swelling at full strength.
And my first name is Gordon.
So God is laughing in heaven.
There are signs and wonders in the seas.
And number two, my story, my guilty verdict, was published in 500 newspapers.
It inspired 300,000 Americans like you and readers of WorldNetDaily to stand up and sign those petitions to Congress, and there was a national revival!
I think anytime 300,000 Americans stand up for Jesus with me, that's a sign that God is blessing the movement.
I had a 95% approval rating on polls by WorldNetDaily, 84% approval rating on polls by Associated Press or other pollsters, and The American people were outraged with me.
Why would they punish a chaplain about Jesus?
So I went to Capitol Hill.
I was testifying with several congressmen, and I met with the chief of staff for the top senator over the Pentagon, John Warner of Virginia.
This is in 2006.
Senator John Warner was a moderate.
He wasn't really a conservative, but he made a speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate.
I am being besieged by bloggers, emails, phone calls, faxes.
Everyone in America wants to let chaplains pray in Jesus' name.
So by order of Congress, they wrote it into the NDAA that the Navy must reverse and rescind this bad policy.
He named the same policy in his speech that I was punished for in the court, 1730.7c.
And one month later, this is October of 2006, The Secretary of the Navy, Donald C. Winter, repented.
He was forced by Congress to rescind the bad policy, and now the chaplains can pray in Jesus' name.
We won!
We restored religious freedom for all the other military chaplains going forward, and they have religious liberty to pray in Jesus' name, even in public, even in uniform, seven days a week.
Unfortunately, that was the end of my career, and I lost a million-dollar pension.
Right. I mean, you paid a big price for standing up for Jesus, but you changed the policy of the military, hopefully permanently.
Now, this just began another career for you.
This was just a jumping-off point for the next part of your life.
You're right.
You know, it's funny.
When I was on the Navy ship, I would preach to somewhere between five and ten sailors.
But then, after I left the Navy, I was honorably discharged.
But I did lose a million-dollar pension.
I lost a 16-year career as an officer, plus four years as a cadet that do not count toward my pension.
So I had 20 years, but only 16 good years.
So I left without any benefits, to be honest, except, you know, some veterans care for health care.
But then it's like the Lord just launched me in a different direction altogether.
I started Pray In Jesus Name Ministries.
And we've just taken off.
I mean, the Lord has accelerated my broadcasting career.
We started 10 years ago with just a podcast like you, and now we're on national television on 8 cable or satellite networks.
We've now helped send 5 million petitions to Congress over the years.
We've helped change bad laws or policies 13 times in 13 different states, plus four times in federal law.
All of those victories are documented in my book, How to Liberate the World, a step-by-step guide to take back your country.
I'm just saying that we've had such great success.
Our ministry has received a lot of donations from the public who helped put us on television, so much that we have extra now.
to feed orphans and children in India.
And I'm very active overseas.
We go there twice a year, and we're feeding almost a thousand orphans and children overseas.
With the excess that comes in from donations from all over the country, people are supporting Pray in Jesus Name.
And, you know, we're taking back the country one policy issue at a time.
So, Chris, if you could show the cover of that book.
And so people can get a good look at it.
And of course, the website is on the screen.
It's PrayInJesusName.org.
PrayInJesusName.org.
Now, so Dr. Chaps, we're going to put the cover up.
Chris is going to kind of do the screen so people can really see the cover of the book.
And you can get that book, I'm sure, on Amazon and other, probably in bookstores as well.
And you can probably also purchase it on your website.
Is that correct?
Yes, sir.
If you go to PrayInJesusName.org, there's a bookstore button at the top.
You can get all of our DVD teachings.
As a PhD in theology, I taught college for three years at Colorado Christian University in Bible and theology.
So you can get our DVD series on prayer, on discerning of spirits, on the Gospel of Matthew, which I taught in Israel on location.
All of those and this book, How to Liberate the World, Now let's talk about how to liberate the world, because you have experience with the persecution of Christians that's going on worldwide right now, and your ministry is an international ministry.
So why don't you give us some details about this?
Well, thank you.
You know, I was twice interviewed by the Trump administration to Fill the job for which I applied.
I was not selected of U.S. Ambassador for International Religious Freedom, and they gave that job to Sam Brownback, and he just done a much better job than I ever would had I been selected.
But I care very deeply about international religious freedom, and we've been tracking and reporting on instances of real persecution.
I mean, here in America, we suffer You know, they're gonna demonetize our YouTube videos, big deal.
Or they may censor our speech if we talk too much about LGBT or something like that.
But overseas, they will kill you.
And there have been deaths in states like India, where I have been.
And now the India people are very gentle, they're very friendly, but there are pockets of resistance where the Hindu radical mobs are extremist and violent, and The federal government looks the other way.
President Narendra Modi, the prime minister of India, looks the other way and his BJP party, which is a conservative party, they're kind of like the Republican Party, but sometimes they partner with the RSS party, which is like the Nazi Hindu party in India, that is engaging in political and violent persecution against Christians and against Muslims in various pockets of the country.
The U.S. Center for International Religious Freedom, for which Sam Brownback was the ambassador, now Joe Biden has a Muslim doing that job, but they have identified now India as a country of particular concern, a CPC.
They're on the bad boy list, kind of like North Korea or China, which is persecuting the Uyghurs in the western region.
But India is persecuting the Christians, particularly in the state of Manipur.
which is a northeast state.
It's so far east that the India citizens look like Asians, but it's about 40% Christian and about 60% Hindu, and because of some political debate over affirmative action, the Christians get benefits, and the Hindus are angry.
But the Christians are farmers.
They live in the rural regions and the mountain tribes, and the Hindus live in the cities, And they have all the technology and all the transportation and all the benefits that the poor people in the hills, the Christians, don't have.
So when this blew up over a protest at a college campus a year ago, it morphed into a statewide genocide against the Christians.
Over 200 churches were burned.
Hundreds of Christians were killed dead in the morgues.
Thousands were forced to flee their homes.
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escaping the Hindu radical violence.
And the federal government in Delhi just ignored it.
They said, oh, no, nothing to see here.
Narendra Modi has still never really condemned the anti-Christian violence.
And we're calling for India to do better.
And so the U.S. State Department has this branch called the U.S. Center for International Religious Freedom.
They're recommending to Congress, our U.S. Congress, That they defund India and stop trading with India by putting them on the bad boy list, the countries of particular concern, until they stop persecuting Christians.
And this is happening not just in Manipur, where I have been, but in nine of the 30 states.
Let's call them like the red states, right?
The conservative Hindu states in India.
They've passed state laws against Christians.
Saying that if any Christian preaches the gospel or converts a Hindu into Christianity, that the pastor can go to jail.
And so Christians are being arrested all over the country in nine or maybe ten particular red states that are radical Hindu, and the state government is violating the federal constitution of India.
Which the the federal constitution says specifically you may propagate your religion We have freedom to preach any religion in India But they ignore that the the police are in on it the police arrest the pastor they put him in jail And then he has to sue to get bail to get out of jail And then he has to appeal in the court sometimes five or six years.
They'll the Christians always win in the court eventually after five or six years the Supreme Court will say Oh yeah, that Christian, he was wrongly punished.
He should have been allowed to preach the gospel.
But meantime, he's bankrupted.
His church is burned and destroyed.
His family has got to pay the legal bills.
Alliance Defending Freedom has been defending Christians all over India.
That's just one example.
We could go on to Nigeria, Azerbaijan, other examples of stories that I'm following.
Well, it's amazing because worldwide, I mean, in the Middle East, there's A lot of the radical Islamic persecution of Christians going on.
And again, people don't report on it, but even in Ukraine, the eastern Ukraine, you know, the eastern Ukraine is very, two provinces are very close to Russia, Russian speaking.
The other provinces have been close to Germany and have neo-Nazis actually fighting with Zelensky.
And they've been persecuting the Russian Orthodox Church.
We had Christians throughout the Middle East.
I'm constantly getting reports about Christians being killed.
And in Europe, I mean, I'm seeing churches being burned that are not being reported.
Massive burning of churches going on in Europe.
It seems like there's a wave of Christian persecution that I think is, first time in my lifetime, this intense.
Am I wrong about that?
No, sir.
You're absolutely right.
The number of martyrs that is tracked by Voice of the Martyrs increases every year.
For example, in the past decade, there have been more Christians killed around the world than in any decade previous.
And it just accelerates until we read in the Bible, in the end times, the Antichrist will take power and will try to kill all of the Christians and destroy Israel, which is always in the news about this time of year.
To your point, in Ukraine, there is a religious underpinning to the war there.
In eastern Ukraine, the Orthodox Church, which is supporting Vladimir Putin, has literally been using the Russian army to confiscate Protestant churches in the name of Orthodox Christianity.
So the Protestant churches and the Pentecostal churches that are very popular, growing like weeds, they're being suppressed and those churches are being seized and the doors are locked and the Christians are kicked out and then the pastors are being targeted for assassination in eastern Ukraine.
So evangelical Christianity and my friends who are evangelical in America are trying to support the persecuted minority that is being attacked by Russia.
It goes both ways.
In Western Ukraine, it might look the other way, where the Orthodox churches are unfavored and, you know, we don't support the Nazi party or Zelensky, but they are punishing the Orthodox churches in Western Ukraine.
So there is a religious divide in that country.
Pakistan, you mentioned the Middle East.
We have friends that we just interviewed and I donated to them at NRB.
They came to America fleeing the persecution of Pakistan, but their father is still there.
He's been a pastor there for 50 years and in one particular region around Islamabad over, I think, I want to say between 7 and 20 churches, I don't have the exact number, have been burned and destroyed.
They showed us the video of radical Muslims killing Christians and burning the churches to the ground Under false pretenses what they say is oh One of the Christians acted out and burned a copy of the Quran well,
that was never verified, but it did cause a riot where real Christians were killed and You know seven or twenty churches were burned to the ground and These these pastors are now turning around and serving the community by digging clean water wells to serve the poor by engaging in Literacy, teaching, and compassionate care for widows.
The Christians are non-violent, but when Islam gets angry, you can tell there's a violent edge to their religion, and it ends up resulting in more martyrs of Christians.
We don't want that, but we praise the Lord because the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church.
The revival is growing in Pakistan.
Ironically, The revival is growing in India.
When more persecution happens, the people see the injustice and they side with the Christians.
So the public, I think in Pakistan or in India, they support religious freedom.
They want the Christians to succeed.
It's the radical, angry mobs that end up doing the violence and make their own religion look bad.
It's amazing to me how much animosity there is against God worldwide.
that this secular beast has taken over, woke in the United States, how much we've lost, you know, getting God out of our schools, the court decisions going back to the 1940s, and this whole idea of separation of church and state, which was never what the court interpreted it to be.
You know, clearly our founders did not want us to have a state religion, but they wanted religion to be free and open.
And today you get punished for praying even in a public school.
Let's say you wanted to open up your public school by a prayer to Jesus Christ.
How long do you think you'd last as a teacher?
Not very long.
No, we just interviewed for our TV show a Christian lawyer from Washington State.
She's helping a student there, a nine-year-old, Laura, who wanted to open a Bible club.
in her own school.
And the school district denied this nine-year-old the right to have a prayer meeting with her friends.
Or maybe she's 11. I think she's a little more mature.
But the lawyers went in with First Liberty and they're writing demand letters to the principal of the school.
And the principal's saying, no, no, Christians can't assemble.
Even though we have a gay and lesbian club for 11-year-olds, they can assemble.
and use school property, but the Christians can't have that same access because, oh my gosh, the gospel might be preached after school, voluntary, with parents, you know, giving permission.
No, no, we can't have that because we're Washington state and we're more progressive.
Meanwhile, they're teaching Harvey Milk Day in mandatory lectures to all of the 11 year olds by the teachers themselves.
And in Colorado, they just passed a bad law that if the teacher objects to using the student's preferred pronouns, because a boy can be a girl in Colorado, then the Christian teacher would be fired for saying, I have a conscience, I'm not going to lie and tell my boy student that he is a girl.
I can't lie about that.
No, the teacher's fired for refusing to lie, and the child is rewarded, and the parents are never informed that there's a law forbidding now, in the state of Colorado, parental consent or information.
If the teacher rats out the trans kid to the mom and dad, then the teacher gets fired for that.
So they're secretly covering up the sins to enable pedophilia.
And that's a strong word, but they're going after your children.
This is not 2015.
This is not about gay marriage.
Obergefell has passed, right?
This is 2024.
And the new frontier is, can they have access to your children?
And do children have a right to a transgender surgery if a boy wants to be a girl?
These are the new questions that every parent has to worry about if you choose to send your child to public school.
It's amazing to me that the whole idea that you can have all this gender madness go on, and it's predominating in the schools, but if you I want to talk about Jesus Christ.
Christ has been banned from the public square in the United States.
I mean, you can put up a statue to Satan, but trying to put Ten Commandments in front of a courthouse, and you won't get away with it.
They'll say that you can't have that.
Okay, so the separation of church and state weaponized atheists to remove God from the from our lives.
And I see that to be one of the greatest sins in terms of lawfare, which, you know, reads the Constitution or tries to read Supreme Court decisions so as to achieve a completely opposite result from what our Founders intended.
Our Founders intended for religious freedom, which included the public square.
Why can't you preach Jesus Christ in the public square?
Or people are being arrested for holding a prayer meeting in front of an abortion center.
Dr. Chaffetz, would you like to comment on that?
I mean, to me, abortion is one of the most abhorrent crimes against God and against humanity.
Chopping up babies in the womb and selling their body parts for profit.
And if you object to that, you're the criminal.
Would you like to comment on that?
Yes, sir.
I am friends with and I have protested alongside of Some of the 11 the 11 who are arrested in Nashville six now convicted of felonies including conspiracy which could result in an 11-year jail term five convicted of misdemeanors for simply having a sit-in a peaceful protest outside an abortion clinic where they were singing hymns and Uh,
saying prayers and not interfering with anybody, not touching anybody, no violence.
But when the police came, they arrested the Christians and threw them in jail.
And now five of the 11 are facing misdemeanor, uh, jail sentences up to one year each in prison because the Biden administration has now weaponized the FBI and created a special Abortion Protester Task Force.
It's called something else, but that's what it is, to arrest Christians for peaceful protest and blocking what they call access to clinic entrances.
When women want to kill their children, the Christians are the last prophetic voice that woman hears and sometimes she changes her mind and the babies are saved.
So I have met with and recently interviewed on our TV show, Pray in Jesus Name News, Cal Zastrow, who is a longtime friend and has been arrested, is now facing 22 years because he's got a second trial in Michigan, having lost the one in Tennessee.
Or Chet Gallagher, a former policeman, who, when he was asked to arrest pro-life Christians, he said, no, I can't do that because I agree with them.
I want to save the babies, too.
And after he retired, became a pro-life protester, is now facing up to 11, maybe 22 years in jail.
And here's the kicker.
Out of the 11 heroes, Eva Edel is now 87 years old, and she is a Holocaust survivor from Nazi Germany.
When she was six years old, she and her mother were arrested in Nazi Germany as Jewish Holocaust victims, and she escaped the prison camps at age six.
And eventually, she lost her parents, but eventually fled to America, where she grew up with freedom in America.
And now Eva Edel is 87. And for the last 30 years, she's been a pro-life protester because she says, this is worse than what they did in Nazi Germany.
If they can kill innocent children, then their blood is on the hands of the government and I must protest.
Well, for her protest, for sitting peacefully outside an abortion clinic, she's been arrested and now faces up to one year in jail.
Is this what we've become?
To arrest 87-year-old Jewish Holocaust survivors because they believe that a baby has a right to be born?
This is Joe Biden's administration.
They've gone so far to the violent, radical, government-weaponized left That Christians no longer have a voice even to protect the most innocent among us.
It's amazing to me, I mean, the idea that this satanic evil of killing, only God has, only God can give life.
God gives this child in the womb the gift of life and Satan takes it away.
And we protect under the lawfare, protecting the right of a woman to choose, We say that woman has the right up to birth to kill the baby, and some would have it.
I mean, I wrote in the Abomination 2008, Barack Obama was giving speeches on the Illinois state legislature floor, saying it was okay to kill the baby after it was born.
The mother didn't want it.
I mean, this is infanticide.
And yet that's supposedly okay.
So these people have no, the satanic view, no worth to human life.
And the law, Department of Justice is now on the side of Satan here, protecting the right to kill the baby, not to protect the baby's right to live.
That's a life, that's a human life.
I mean, again, I think the pro-life movement And benefited by being able to show pictures of what these abortions look like.
To show the body parts being sold out.
Babies are chopped to pieces in the womb to be taken out.
Killed brutally.
Babies screaming in the womb.
Ultrasounds. We can see this is a human life.
And yet it's being killed.
And that's what's being protected by our law and our Constitution.
I think that finally we get a decision which says Roe v.
Wade has to be re-evaluated by the states, but now these demons dedicated to killing babies are going to fight in the state legislatures to get the state legislatures to pass laws which give universal rights for abortion.
I mean, how insane has this become?
I mean, this is to me, you know, We're on the verge of losing the fundamental value of life.
Once a society loses that, what do we have left?
Viewers should know that this fall, this November, there are 13 states that may have pro-abortion initiatives on the ballot.
Four of the states also have pro-life initiatives on the ballot.
And I think two of them have both.
Two of them have both pro-abortion and pro-life initiatives on the ballot, which means when people go to vote for Trump or Biden this year, they'll also be able to vote.
Should abortion be legal in Florida?
Should abortion be legal in, I want to say, Arkansas?
In 13 states, Colorado has both.
Abortion be banned or should it be legal and they're putting this into the state Constitutions in the wake of the repeal of Roe now the states do have power Temporarily to either save or kill children.
Well, I think life is in the Constitution I think the federal Constitution protects an innocent child's right to life, but the Supreme Court has not yet Codified that in in any particular case so for now The pro-aborts are winning these ballot initiatives.
And people who watch your show or pro-life like watch my show, we need to vote.
We need to show up.
We need to say no to the child killing in your state.
Meanwhile, the Biden administration is doing the same thing that Obama did, but they're reinterpreting various laws like the 1986 Emergency Room Act.
It's called EMTALA.
They're saying, Back in 1986, they passed a law that everyone should have access to an emergency room.
That law never mentions abortion.
But this year, Biden is saying that that requires that every woman can get an abortion in the emergency room, and the Christian doctors have to do the abortion.
That's literally what the the federal administration is twisting the 1986 law to make Christian doctors kill children In emergency rooms in all 50 states, including the red states that ban abortion.
That's the lawfare that the Biden administration is enacting that you're talking about.
And that case is before the U.S. Supreme Court.
I think Idaho is bringing it up and saying, no, no, we don't want to force our Christian doctors to kill children in Idaho emergency rooms.
But the Biden administration and their solicitor general are arguing for this.
More child killing is on the ballot.
My good friend, Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue, just earned the ballot line for the Constitution Party.
And he'll be coming on as a guest on our show.
I'm probably still supporting Donald Trump because I think either Trump or Biden are going to win that race and it'll be worse if Biden is elected.
But now that we have a voice like Randall Terry, he can run those commercials in Michigan and show the pictures of the abortion Waste of the dead baby parts, which I've held up on posters outside of clinics.
But now we can show that on national television and say, this is what Joe Biden wants.
Are you with Joe Biden on this issue?
Vote no on the Michigan abortion initiative.
He can do that as a presidential candidate and Randall Terry is getting the message out because he has access to the airwaves that he would not be able to purchase if he were not a presidential candidate.
So that's a win-win.
It's interesting that a doctor then, a Christian doctor who refuses to perform an abortion in an emergency room could lose their right to practice medicine.
Yes. They could have their certification challenged.
Or perhaps even committed a crime.
Because they wouldn't give an abortion.
If the law demands access and they refuse to perform the surgery, They're risking their career.
And to me, these things are just so perverted.
It's hard to believe that we've come to this point, but the left operates incrementally, so they begin with, you know, we'll just take prayer out of the schools.
Then it's one step after another, and it's constant.
So they end in a godless world.
They have this view in mind, you know, and they work towards it with any setback.
They just can constantly figure out a new lawfare strategy to come back at it again.
So the defense of life is at a critical point in the United States, and I certainly never thought we'd get to this point.
I mean, this is, how can we be a Christian nation If we don't defend the unborn.
And how are we going to care about the elderly?
Are they just useless too?
How about euthanasia?
Where we have the left saying now, we'll have transitioning as a right.
Is euthanasia going to be a right for school kids?
In Canada, they're already there.
Canada and Europe, they're already experimenting with euthanasia for handicapped children and certainly the elderly.
But this is America and we have religious freedom.
Thank God for our founding fathers who saw the persecution that they had suffered was now reversed by the First Amendment of the Constitution, giving us religious freedom is our number one freedom.
Why is religious freedom more important than freedom of speech?
Because if you have freedom of speech but you don't have freedom of religion, then you can't really talk about religious things or you'd be punished.
It's more important than freedom of the press because you can't really talk about, you can't write or publish about Christian things or you'd be punished.
That's why religious freedom is the first freedom.
If you have freedom to assemble but you don't have religious freedom, Then you can't really assemble for religious reasons, so there's no Freedom Assembly at all, if you can't assemble for religious freedom.
So, religious freedom is number one.
They're chipping away at it here in America.
They're not killing us yet, like they do in Pakistan, or Azerbaijan, or North Korea, or Nigeria.
Northern Nigeria is under fire now that they have a Muslim president.
We could go on about these things, but here in America, there is An incremental creep, where first they accuse Christians of discriminating, and then they take away your children.
Like the law now says in California, if a Christian parent won't let their kid get a transgender surgery, then the Christian parent loses custody, and they give the kid to a gay couple?
No. There's some point when American Christians are going to have to take up arms to protect our own right to have children, and raise them as Christians.
They're going to put Christians in jail like the 11 that are already going to jail under the Biden administration.
President Trump said he would pardon them.
So this is a critical election for religious freedom across America.
And the pastors now, our ministry was audited by the IRS.
The IRS came into our workspaces and spent a year looking at our books, And found nothing wrong, because every penny is accounted for and published and transparent.
But the one thing the IRS agent left us, although we passed our audit, he said, Endorsement of the candidate because you could lose your tax-exempt status,
chaplain, if you endorse a candidate from the pulpit.
And that's what they accused us of, and it's documented against us as a performance deficiency.
So, you know, there's probably a lawsuit there if NRB or Michael Ferris wants to represent it.
I'm talking to my board about that.
But The government is being weaponized against the Christians, against the pastors, and pastors are running scared in America.
They're afraid to talk about these issues.
Maybe they would be attacked by the government, but more likely they would offend some Democrat who wouldn't tithe to their church anymore.
So they got the pastors by the purse strings, and the pastors are no longer a prophetic voice of righteousness in America.
We need booming pulpits.
To bring America back to righteousness by talking about these issues that you're so bold to talk about, Dr. Corsi.
A lot of pastors are a little bit lukewarm.
These are biblical issues.
You know, the man and a woman raising a child, the child not being taken by the government.
That sex is for procreation.
You know, the moral responsibility of parents to provide a moral education to children.
The laws seem to be saying that, you know, Satan's right.
We're going to protect Satan.
So the subversives are the Christians because they're attacking our state religion, which is atheism or Satanism.
Outright Satanism would be okay with these people.
But that isn't twisted.
If you don't see that we don't have a justice department anymore, we have a department of The purpose of a pastor is to provide moral guidance.
And this demands discussion of issues that are biblically based in terms of marriage, in terms of life, in terms of raising children.
And these issues have to be able to be discussed.
If they're not discussed, You may allow the church to stay open, but it's vacuous.
It isn't delivering a complete biblical message because Christ's message had to do fundamentally with moral living and all the aspects of moral living, which included social relations,
politics. Christ was not saying he wanted to run the government, but he wanted to say that Certainly the government should not be killing babies and defending the killing of babies or transitioning children whose sex organs are going to be mutilated.
They'll never have another orgasm.
They'll be incapable of reproducing.
Their lives are ruined.
And that seems to be the evil intent the government's trying to protect.
If the government itself is protecting the evil, to cast out the light from the churches, We have a fundamental problem.
I mean, this to me is such a violation of the law of God that any society that proceeds along this is going to have the judgment of God, and it's not going to be favored by any means because we're not following God's law.
I mean, am I wrong about this, Pastor?
You're absolutely right.
There is an irony in its resulting, and we just interviewed, in fact, The top video on our homepage, if Chris could put that up, is a new whistleblower I want to recommend to you.
His name is Ron Wagner, and that's his photo right there.
We just interviewed him for a half hour on our TV show.
This is a professional referee for USA Fencing.
He has refereed fairly Olympic caliber athletes for the last 25 years.
His daughter was in fencing, that's how he got into it, and now he has been Fired and suspended by USA fencing not for anything.
He did wrong during While refereeing a meet or a match but because on his private Facebook page Well public Facebook page, but after hours off-duty He published his disagreement about transgender men competing in women's swimming not even about fencing but because of that there was a complaint filed against him by a transgender fencer,
and USA Fencing has now made a policy that men can compete in women's fencing and vice versa.
Well, they're firing the Christian for having an opinion about that, unfairness in sports, But meanwhile, they're celebrating how diverse they are because men can now compete in women's fencing, and that's USA Fencing, which is funded by our government.
They receive taxpayer assistance because they send our athletes to the Olympics.
So, Ron Wagner, I recommend everyone go watch that video right now on PrayInJesusName.org, and you'll hear another whistleblower story.
I'm so proud of your association with Joseph Farah over the years, he publishes Whistleblower Magazine and Bob Unruh and all the reporters at World Net Daily.
My dear friend and the man who endorsed my book, Dr. Alan Keyes, he wrote the foreword to my book, How to Liberate the World, a step-by-step guide to take back your country.
In this book, we have 30 short political lessons on how activists can take back their country.
For example, How to organize a petition drive and get a thousand signatures.
How to do fundraising for your little cause.
How to lobby your elected official or volunteer to help run a campaign.
How to run for public office and win a seat in the legislature.
We teach all of these things in it's very short book, it's like rules for radicals, but these are for Christians and any activists, even if you never run for office.
You can learn how to take back your country when you read the book, How to Liberate the World, a step-by-step guide to take back your country, with a foreword by my dear friend and mentor, Dr. Alan Keyes, who I think has been on your show.
I've known Alan for years and greatly admire him, and I was very honored to have the association that I did long term with WorldNetDaily, Joseph Farah, Bob Unruh, you've mentioned Art Moore, the whole group is an excellent group of people, and they've done much for advancing the cause of Jesus Christ, and they have been persecuted at WorldNetDaily, demonetized by all the platforms that are celebrating Satan.
And it's tough, it's tough out there to fund these organizations at this time, but at any rate, Thank you, Dr. Chaps, for being with us.
Do you want to give out your website again, please, so we get that?
And the website is PrayInJesusName.org.
If I have a moment to just say a prayer.
Sure. Let's end in prayer.
Amen. Father in heaven, we turn to you in Jesus' name and we pray for America.
We pray that you would redeem us to the original vision by our founding fathers who all served and loved the Lord Jesus.
But Lord, give us now the The America that they envisioned, not one that is persecuting Christians or killing children, but Father, one that is, like as President Reagan said, a shining city on a hill,
a beacon to the world of religious freedom and the possibility of the gospel being freely preached so that every man or woman can be saved, they can raise their children in peace, and have eternal life.
Father, I pray your blessing on this TV audience that they will stand up and take back their country.
Give us the same courage that we've been talking about so we can save America and return her to greatness.
I pray in Jesus' name.
Amen. Amen.
Thank you, Dr. Chaps, for being with us.
It's been a great show.
God bless your mission and you're welcome back.
We greatly Admire your courage and determination, and we pray for your success.