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Oct. 30, 2020 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Dr Corsi DEEP DIVE Interview 10-30-20 - Larry Klayman's New Book It Takes a Revolution
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🎵outro music plays🎵 Got a couple of your books behind you, buddy.
Oh, do you? Let me take a look.
I guess you do.
Good for you, Larry.
Is this your office? Let's be quiet because it'll pick it up. It's the whole world.
So now the...
Corsi, we have a special guest with us today.
We've got Larry Klayman.
Attorney Larry Klayman, this is Jerome Corsi with my producer Craig and Larry Klayman.
It is Friday, October 30th, 2020, and we're going to do a book review discussion.
Larry has written a book called, It Takes a Revolution.
And it's subtitled, Forget the Scandal Industry.
Very good book, Larry. You've done a great job.
Larry is my attorney.
And Larry had represented me in the, along with David Gray, in the, really, the confrontation with the Mueller investigation, where they wanted to indict me for lying, and I refused to take their plea deal.
We managed with Larry's great assistance to not get indicted and we fought back with lawsuits which are still going through the federal courts against The Mueller investigation and really trying to get discovery as to whether or not I was under illegal surveillance from the NSA or the FISA court or however it was done.
And Larry did a great job. You did a great job through that, Larry.
It was one of the more harrowing periods of my life and I owe you a great debt for getting us through that.
You did a wonderful job.
I was very pleased. Thank you.
Thank you. My honor to be my good friend.
And also, it is a lesson that you have to take offense.
The best defense is the offense.
And we put Mueller on the defense with our offense.
So we can tell the story.
It's mentioned in the book as well.
So it's part of everything. Let's get into the book.
I really want to feature the book.
And Craig, could you put the cover of the book up on the screen so people can see the cover?
And it's available on...
Amazon.com, BarnesandNoble.com, all the regular book-selling sites.
And Larry Klayman, K-L-A-Y-M-A-N, It Takes a Revolution.
Forget the scandal industry.
And Craig, are you going to be able to find that and show it?
Put the cover up for a second, and I am on the Amazon page right now.
Let people see how they can...
Yeah, and so it's available in paperback.
It's up there on the screen. Okay.
Now, Larry, I think it's a great book.
You've done a great job. And you say it takes a revolution.
Why don't we just start right there?
What do you mean it takes a revolution?
What kind of revolution do you have in mind?
Peaceful and legal revolution, Jerry, but the book is dedicated to Thomas Jefferson, who I believe was the greatest of our founding fathers, the most farsighted.
He was a lawyer.
He was a philosopher.
He was a farmer.
He was everything. He was president, founding father.
And he said he was against Article III of the Constitution, which would allow federal judges to become federal judges, unelected despots that he would call them.
And he said eventually they would become the despots and the tyrants that we fear the most, that they would dominate the other two branches of government, the checks and balances.
And because they would have life tenure, and as I say in my book, actually they really don't have life tenure.
They can only serve for good behavior, and we can talk about that.
They have taken control of our so-called government.
You can see what they've done to President Trump in the last four years, what they've done to me, what they've done to others, what they tried to do to you.
And Jefferson said that someday, because of these federal judges, we would have to shed the blood of patriots again.
And he said, we're going to have to refresh liberty and freedom every 20 years and what's a few thousand dead tyrants and despots to preserve liberty.
Now, he didn't really mean to have a violent revolution.
He was warning the American people As to what could happen.
And I don't want to see it either.
And my book goes through the deep state.
You've written a book about it too.
I've lived in the bowels of the deep state now for 40 plus years.
I know it from the inside out.
It's not just Democrat.
It's Republican. It's the establishments of those parties.
It's others, communist, socialist.
We see them coming to the fore right now.
The president is not as powerful as the deep state.
We see what it tried to do to him.
The legislative branch, and we can also see this in the current context, and I cite many examples going back, they can't even pass a stimulus plan for COVID-19.
They're a bunch of court jesters, fools, and in many respects criminals, stuffing money into their pockets.
And enriching themselves at the expense of the American people.
And then you have the federal judges, who are supposed to be our protectors, who are supposed to be independent, to step in to prevent the tyranny of the other two branches being used against the people.
And they are, in fact, bought and paid for by the special interests.
It's just one example, Jerry, and there are many in the book.
One judge from Rhode Island, which is a mafia-run state, essentially, Sheldon Whitehouse.
I call him Sheldon Outhouse.
We saw him during the hearings of Amy Comey Barrett.
His protege, this particular judge, paid a half a million dollars to buy a judgeship.
To a lesser extent, other judges do the same thing through their law firms or corporations or labor unions.
The people that we put on the bench are the yes men of the people that got them their jobs.
They rubber stamp it. And that's why the American people have been exposed.
And I say in the book, I don't pound my chest Like my former group doesn't say, another Freedom Watch victory or another Judicial Watch victory.
What I say is I've accomplished very little, Jerry, to be honest.
I've scored some major victories.
You were one of them. But the country is headed in a downward slide.
And we're on the edge right now.
Whether or not President Trump wins, and we pray that he will.
But this slide is going to continue.
And the radical left is out there to destroy us, literally to slit our throats.
Look at what's happening in Philadelphia today.
We need to rise up ourselves, the American people.
Turn off cable news, not you because you're telling the truth and you're the clarion call and people like me on my radio show, etc.
But turn off Fox. Turn off Hannity and get to work because it's not time to be entertained.
It's time to join a peaceful and legal revolution and I have various suggestions in the book on how we do that.
Well, and your career, Larry, I mean, you did found Judicial Watch.
You were the founder of Judicial Watch, and you've spent your career, more than 40 years, as a litigator, as a counsel, as attorney, fighting the deep state, fighting these battles.
And your book mentions, and I think very Correctly, that this goes back to a debate on the Founding Fathers between Jefferson and Hamilton.
Hamilton was, of course, a Federalist, and he wanted all these kinds of federal powers, including a national bank, which I guess the Federal Reserve ultimately became in 1913.
But he wanted to create the judiciary as a lifetime fiefdom, I guess, whereas Jefferson was much more concerned that these lifetime positions corrupt.
And page nine of the book, and the book is It Takes a Revolution, You're right, Larry, that given that historically only eight federal judges among the tens of thousands who have been appointed and confirmed have been impeached, convicted, and thus removed from the bench for, quote, bad behavior, about one every 30 years since our founding, or for high crimes and misdemeanors, this section has been interpreted to bestow lifetime tenure On unaccountable federal judges bringing into reality,
if not a national nightmare, all that Jefferson feared.
Contrary to Hamilton's prophecy, federal judges have been left in power as, quote, the king's yes men and women, end quote, and thus have also become the unbridled and unhinged despots Jefferson wisely knew they would inevitably become.
I mean, I think that's a very, I think, profound passage because we see Judge Emmett Sullivan, for instance.
We see many of them. And Amy Jackson Berman, who was the one I was in the district court in Washington with you as you argued that our case should be heard.
She had no interest in it whatsoever.
The government did a very poor job with their case.
It didn't make any difference. She was not interested.
in allowing us scrutiny of what the government did.
You want to comment on that, Larry?
Yes, I do. And you saw it up front.
I've seen it over and over again.
They wear their political affiliation on their sleeves in these kinds of cases.
Maybe if you're John Doe and Jane Doe opposing each other and you're equal and not very, you know, prominent in the public domain, you might get a fair decision.
But if you're Jerome Corsi or Larry Klayman or Chief Justice Roy Moore or Sheriff Arpaio or Laura Loomer or all of the other brave patriots that I represent that aren't afraid to tell the truth and do actual things, Then you become radioactive.
Or for their political purposes, they get rid of the case because you are not on their side of the political aisle.
And it happens with both the Democrats and the Republican appointed judges.
And my book also goes through it.
I have a list of the 10 worst judges I've ever appeared in front of.
It could have been a lot more. I had to keep the book to about 200 pages.
Right. Right. But I also go through the Trump judges, okay, who unfortunately the president doesn't know who he appointed.
And I've been in front of eight of them.
They're put in front of him by Republican lobbyists who want them to get their yes men on the bench.
And these judges have no courage and they refuse to take strong action.
And the problem is this, is the judges are in principle, Jerry, our most important public servants.
They're there to protect us from the tyranny.
Of the other two branches of government.
As Jefferson said, when the people fear the government, there's tyranny, but when the government fears the people, there's liberty.
They don't do that.
So what is the alternative?
Other than rising up ourselves, and I'm advocating a peaceful and legal revolution before others in this country, not me, take matters into their own hands in a more violent way.
Well, and Larry, when you founded Judicial Watch in 1994, and one of your early efforts in the office in San Marino, California was, for instance, this judicial monitoring program where you would send volunteers downtown to the U.S. District Court for the Central District of California to watch, report on, and later grade federal judges.
You've been on this for a long time, and you write about this less than honorable judge, William Keller.
Do you want to tell that story?
Well, that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me, and that was when I decided to found Judicial Watch.
Notice the name, Watching Judges, Judicial Watch.
I later flipped it and said, well, we can use judges to watch the other two branches of government, which I had limited success doing that.
But What happened was I appeared in front of this judge.
You know, I love Ronald Reagan.
I think he's the greatest president of my lifetime, one of the top five, if not in the top two or three.
But he was actually appointed by Reagan at the request of Ed Meese, who I know.
And that tells you they don't know who they're appointing.
This judge, I came into the courtroom.
I was representing. I was doing international trade work at the time.
A Taiwanese businessman, a U.S. importer who was Jewish, and retailers who were gay, okay?
And the judge showed his bigotry towards everybody, including me.
He called me Mr.
Schmuckler. You know, I'm a Jewish Christian.
Schmuck in Jewish means a private part, a certain portion of the private part, the foreskin.
And I got up and I said, Your Honor, I'm sure you're a man of great integrity.
I lied. I said, but you prejudged this case and we're hearing all these bigoted remarks from you.
And I ask you politely to recuse yourself from this lawsuit.
He refused and he came in the next day and he said, Clayman, when this case is over, we're going to try you and we're going to hold you accountable for your statements.
And sure enough, that's what he did.
And he fined me $20,000.
And then I tried to take an appeal and all of his federal judges circled the wagons and wouldn't do anything about it.
The transcript, this could be a John Grisham novel, went missing.
And it looked like he had been very close with the court reporter and she later turned up dead.
And to make the long story short, that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
And I'm walking down the street one day with my former wife in Georgetown, and I'm passing the footlocker.
And I said, I've got to have a name for an organization that takes on the judges.
And they came up with this name, Judicial Watch, which became very popular.
And that's what we did. I found it on July 29th, 1994, 26 years ago, a little bit more, and it took off.
And then, of course, I ran for the U.S. Senate in Florida and I didn't win.
I left Judicial Watch and I started Freedom Watch.
And I've scored some major successes, Jerry.
You're one of the biggest ones because you're my friend, my colleague, and I was so happy for you and your family that it worked.
But the bottom line is this.
The answer is no longer in the courts.
It's not. Not in us.
It's reformed in a major way.
And Congress is not going to do that.
And even the Supreme Court.
It's a bunch of politicians in robes.
Yeah, I like Justice Thomas.
I like Justice Alito. Maybe Amy Coney Barrett will pan out.
But the rest of them are politicians in robes.
And they vote exactly the way the people that got them their jobs want them to vote.
And that's not the way it should be.
And they're leaving us defenseless.
So I make various recommendations in this book.
But Jefferson, to me, was...
Absolutely right, is that the federal judges will become the biggest problem, not the solution.
And he opposed them in the Constitution.
Well, and again, I think this whole idea of power, I mean, you've also, in the sense, had a running battle in some ways with Fox News.
You were dealing with Fox News from the very beginning.
And you're critical now of all the, again, the corporate kind of, you know, the powers and both the media and the judges that represent powers that are not for freedom, not for individual liberty.
Yeah, Rails would not bring Dolly back to be interviewed by Bill O'Reilly.
And she wrote him a nasty letter saying, I'm writing the new book.
She had written a book, Passions of the Heart, about Bill Clinton, that the Clintons actually threatened her.
Bruce Lindsay threatened her to destroy her over that.
And that's why I came to represent her.
By the way, when she walked into my office off of the elevator at Judicial Watch, I said to myself, this is Bill Clinton in a skirt.
He's actually Bill Clinton's half...
Half a sister.
It's unbelievable. And her son, Anthony, looked exactly like Bill Clinton in that famous picture where he was shaking hands with John F. Kennedy with Clinton.
Anyway, to make a long story short, that's what caused the downward side slide with Fox, but there are other things in recent years.
And, you know, you, for instance, you were a pioneer with regard to the birth certificate, which clearly is fraudulent.
Others as well, Sheriff Arpaio, they would never mention that.
It would never allow anybody to say that you could explain Obama's pro-Muslim and pro-Arab policies on the basis that he's half-Muslim.
You just couldn't even say that.
And it's true. And I can go on and on and on.
You don't get the full truth on Fox.
And if you turn on Hannity, all you get is the same monologue every night ending with the Democrats say we're throwing granny over the cliff and look at major breaking news.
There's going to be justice. There's no justice.
People are being misled.
So we need to tell them the hard facts of life.
And that's what this book does.
It tells you the hard facts of life and what we need to do to straighten it out.
In fact, you discussed at length representing Sheriff R. Pyle.
And I worked with Sheriff R. Pyle on the birth certificate, as you mentioned.
And with the Cold Case Posse, the Cold Case Posse, Mike Zulu, ultimately was able, after years of work, to get forensic analysis.
Actually, in Hawaii, I found the birth certificate from which Barack Obama had cloned his fake birth certificate.
It was such an incredible match.
We were all astounded on it when we realized it.
And from actually independent forensic analysis, including overseas, Zulu was able to demonstrate that the chances of this occurring by chance, two so identical birth certificates in terms of the way they were typed, the placement of the letters on the page, all the little typing errors, et cetera, matched so precisely And there were various press conferences done on that that got very little attention.
And Larry, you've been in the center of that.
And also, Tom Perez, who is now the head of the DNC, Democratic National Committee, who is a La Raza communist radical, was going after Joe Arpaio as sheriff of Maricopa County.
for certain practices and terms of trying to find illegal immigrants that Perez said was discriminatory towards Hispanics and Perez actually wanted to imprison Sheriff Arpaio.
Isn't that right, Larry? That's right.
It's not just him. It was a whole cabal out there in Arizona.
Which is a very tough place.
Sheriff Arpaio, I've known him for a long time, you as well.
I've never heard a racist word out of him, not an anti-Hispanic word.
He's Italian-American.
He has Hispanics in his family.
You know, he just simply wanted to enforce the law.
And there was another judge out there, Murray Snow, That said they were going to destroy him.
His wife uttered that in a restaurant, and that case was allowed to go forward.
Arpaio was held in contempt.
It was turned over to a Justice Department under Obama, and there was a misdemeanor finding, which was like a slap on the wrist, basically, that he had violated the law and then pardoned by the President.
But to tell you what we're up against with federal judges, getting back to that, I filed a lawsuit against CNN, Huffington Post and Rolling Stone because they published an article branding him as a felon.
He's not a felon.
It was a misdemeanor.
And I said, this is a good opportunity to make a dent into the leftist media.
We have the leftist media strike force at Freedom Watch.
I file it. Randomly, it comes up in front of Judge Royce Lamberth, who made all those good rulings for me during the 1990s with Clinton.
And I said to the sheriff, my God, grace of God that we got Lamberth.
What does Lamberth do? He dismisses the case with prejudice.
It freaked him out.
Our pilot had been made so radioactive, like you have been made, like I've been made, like all of my clients, Judge Roy Moore, that he didn't want them in his courtroom.
And then another case came out by another federal judge With a person that was less significant than Arpaio that said that if you call someone a convicted felon and they've only been convicted of a misdemeanor, that can be defamatory as you go to the jury.
I gave it to Lamberth and he just brushed it aside.
And that was the final straw for me, is that if the one judge that I had respect for in the federal judiciary bailed out and flipped, went with the flow, you know, he placed cards Lamberth with Roberts.
He told me that once.
And I like him.
He's a friend. But in his professional capacity, he sold out.
And I said, that's it.
I'm writing this book. It takes a revolution.
We need to forget about, basically, our legal system, which is totally corrupt.
And the American people need to take it back, just like we did in 1776 from King George III, who stole it and took it to the Court of St.
James, our criminal justice system.
One of the things I like about your book, Larry, is you're not only talking about how Radical the judges are in terms of politics.
And Fox is even going now more towards the left.
But the money to it behind it.
I mean, on page 36, when you're talking about why the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr, Republican of North Carolina, and this time his Democratic colleague on the committee, Senator Dianne Feinstein from California previously, the chairman herself, they sold and dumped millions of dollars in stock, reaping huge profits shortly before the nation and the world understood the magnitude of what we were dealing with in terms of,
what was that, COVID? Yes, COVID pandemic.
But they also have the intelligence capabilities, the NSA, the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, the FBI. They have intelligence which tips them off.
They make money on the stock.
So they're utilizing the official capacity in the Senate on this Intelligence Committee to profit.
And you point out basically that, well, They were gaining, you know, the health of the American people was a threat, killed well over now 200,000 people, sending the America and the world economy into a tailspin.
The U.S. stock market lost 30%, but yet these senators on this committee benefited economically.
And have moved that committee far to the left, saying, let's just all work within the system and get rich.
Want to comment on that, Larry?
Because I think that's one of them. They dumped the stock.
Obviously, Burr, who I've gone to, I don't want to use the name of the whistleblower, but with a whistleblower about the mass surveillance on the American people, He sloughed that aside.
He didn't want to hear it. Neither did Devin Nunes.
I mean, there's a real phony that you see on Fox News.
They didn't want to hear it either. They were just interested in their little thing that would get them on Hannity each night, at least Nunes.
And at the same time, they had access to national security information and they knew what was happening with COVID. They dumped their stock and made millions.
And here's the moral to the story. The FBI, it's rumored, started an investigation.
But of course, nothing happened.
Because you see, and here's Washington in a nutshell.
Because of this mass surveillance, every prominent person, so-called prominent, has dirt on everyone else.
It's mutual assured destruction.
And that's why our Attorney General, Bill Barr, as a do-nothing Attorney General, I call him Blowhard Bill, didn't indict Comey, didn't invite McCabe, didn't invite the Lovebirds, didn't invite Clapper, Brennan.
The Bidens are off limits.
Everybody's off limits. Clinton, Obama, off limits.
Because it's mutual assured destruction and nothing happens.
And as far as Barr enriching himself, look at Biden.
47 years in Congress.
He's a multi-millionaire.
How did that happen? So we now know.
And this is what happened.
It was a bribery scheme with the Ukraine and China.
And I'm sure that was not the only one.
But it's prominent on Capitol Hill.
And the insider information they get through intelligence agencies and others on how the stock market is going to react or not react enriches them.
And that's why they're a bunch of court jesters, fools, and criminals, by and large, in my opinion.
And the judiciary becomes part of this game as well.
I mean, you point out over and over again how the judiciary is compromised and very few judges.
You write about Judge Leon, but very, very few judges are willing to stand up to this deep state.
Want to comment on that, Larry?
Well, even Leon, at first I had some hope.
I mean, this reinvigorated my hope for a while.
Back in 2014, in a case that I filed for myself because I'm a lawyer and it would violate my attorney-client privilege to have this mass surveillance, and I got information that I was being surveilled along with Trump and others, anybody that was challenging the Obama administration.
I got two preliminary injunctions out of Leon, where he ruled that this was unconstitutional, almost Orwellian.
And yet, he wouldn't let the cases go beyond the initial ruling.
And I was scratching my head because we wanted to take discovery.
We wanted to get damages.
And then I learned that he was under surveillance himself.
And I asked him that question.
I said, Your Honor, have you had ex parte communications, that means without my being present or others being present, with these intelligence agencies in the deep state?
He refused to respond.
Would not respond. He said, oh, Clayman, that's just another one of your conspiracy theories, a non-response response.
And this is what happened.
So they got to him. They got to Liam.
When I see him in the courtroom today, he says, Mr.
Klayman, and then he walks by me, because he knows that I know what happened.
And they have stuff on everybody.
And that's the problem, is that this deep state intel community is more powerful than the President of the United States.
They are an alternative government that controls the fate of the nation.
And that's why, you know, the game is let's go on Fox News and Hannity and let's, you know, get campaign contributions and get reelected.
But it's not for real. It's just a show.
Forget this human industry.
That was one of the things that made me, I think, was most satisfying.
All I went through with Mueller is I'm sure, Larry, I've been under surveillance.
I'm sure they look through every aspect of my life.
Going back, I don't know how far, but they could not find anything to threaten to indict me with.
No, not like Paul Manafort with overseas accounts and money I hadn't reported.
I've tried to live a very, by the book, straightforward life, and evidently I have, or they would have found something and said, if you don't, you know, say you lied and give us the testimony we want, whether it's true or not, We're going to indict you over here, and you'll go to prison, and we have you over here.
Well, they didn't have me on anything.
Well, that's right, and that's why Roger Stone did get indicted, because he didn't tell the truth, and they wanted to get him.
They wanted a scalp to get to Trump, and that's what happened.
You have to tell the truth.
You always have to tell the truth to the so-called government, because they'll use that if you don't tell them the truth.
And, Jerry, you were honest, and you believed in God.
God brought us through this and uh it's remarkable you know that we came out of it alive so to speak but the american people going forward particularly after november 3rd we may not get out of it alive even if the president wins they're going to be in the streets looting and burning and trying to destroy this country the left.
I think Larry you know your different discussions here of corruption page 41 And you talk about Bill and Hillary Clinton.
It was not just the Monica Lewinsky scandal that mired this felonious but less than dynamic duo and stench.
Let's not forget the Clintons taking money for the president's reelection from communist China and the ensuing Chinagate campaign finance scandal, which I think most people today don't know about or forgot.
Which I was instrumental in uncovering at Judicial Watch.
You played a big role in bringing that to light.
This gave rise to congressional investigations and hearings.
In exchange, President Clinton provided national security information to the Communist Chinese concerning Taiwan.
And one of his big donors, Bernie Schwartz, the CEO of Laurel Corporation, transferred high-tech missile technology to China.
There was much more of a, predictably, the congressional hearings ended abruptly with the Democrats, when the Democrats cleverly dug up dirt on Republican ties to Communist China.
In the end, no prosecutions of the Clintons were initiated.
Again, everybody having dirt on everybody else.
Further, the bogus campaign finance reform enacted by Congress Akin to letting OJ basically say he wouldn't kill again, but yet letting him go on killing again, was largely ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, which is no beacon of justice in its own politicized right.
I mean, this whole tendency to cover up the corruption, which I think we're seeing again with Bill Barr, we see with Christopher Wray, It's what Donald Trump is coming to realize.
Why don't you comment on that?
Because I think you're particularly good at pointing that out over and over again in the book with both presidents, Republican and Democratic.
Yes, it's become basically just a game, you see.
And, you know, there's a little joke I used to have about what happened with Communist China and providing national security interest information to the Chinese that Sandy Berger, who was the national security advisor under Bill Clinton, later went to the archives.
And at that time, you know, you had paper copies of things, and he was stuffing documents that would show this collaboration with Communist China into his pants.
And I think it was the only time in the Clinton administration anyone got caught stuffing something into their pants rather than taking it out.
That was my joke.
Yeah, that's good. That's very good.
But to get to the point, I have to get a joke in here, Jared, to enliven it.
But to get to the point is that it's just become a game.
And, you know, these judges, you can file FOIA cases, you can get all these documents, okay?
And they'll let the documents come out most of the time because they know what good are documents because no action will ever be taken.
So it's only good to get you on Fox News and to talk about it.
It's not really going to cause the justice to occur.
And that's the point is that we are in a revolution and I've I'm advocating one aspect of it is Citizens Grand Jury, which Justice Scalia effectively sanctioned in 1992 in a case of United States v.
Williams, where he said the grand jury belongs to the American people, not to the three branches of government.
Before 1870, before we had a Justice Department, we had to mete out our own justice, particularly in the West, Wyatt Earp& Company, people like that.
So we have the right to impanel grand juries.
We have the right, and you testified in front of the one with Mueller.
We indicted him last fall.
We're going to try him once COVID-19 subsides and we can get people together for trial.
We have the right to try, to seek a conviction, to sentence, and even to mete it out.
My book goes through the history of citizen's arrest.
I'm not advocating anything violent.
But, you know, we have the right to do that.
And it comes from ancient England.
California, of all places, has a law that says that if you see someone committing a felony or know of a felony, you can do a citizen's arrest and turn them over to authorities.
The problem is, the authorities will let them go.
We see what's happening right now.
So we have these tools.
We have to try them before we get to what our founding fathers did in 1776, which was obviously, you know, something which was much more physical in the way we re-established freedom in the colonies.
And also, the tying together, as you do, Larry, the intelligence agencies and their economic interests and ties, And how that impacts the politicians who also want to get on the gravy train.
When you point out, for instance, in the George W. Bush and the decision to attack and invade Iraq over these weapons of mass destruction, which was faulty intelligence, and how Dick Cheney Taking charge, you say George W. Bush was really spending a lot of the time in the White House gym.
Cheney took charge, and he pushed for the Iraq War, refusing to divulge what you'd uncovered at Judicial Watch, which was a plan to have American oil interests divide up the oil fields in the Sunni-run nation once we conquered it.
And after mission accomplished, Bush and Cheney Did not even have the Iraqis pay for their own liberation with their oil proceeds, but basically Cheney stonewalled the public knowing about what he and the energy industry lobbyists were doing with the secret energy task force they created.
I mean, the whole thing ended up actually being about oil and money and You know, the 9-11 was an excuse to go in and take control of the oil fields, which is very different than George H.W. Bush went into, you know, in the earlier Gulf War.
But again, the The interplay between the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies, and the politicians, and then manipulating the public to get something to happen which benefits an economic interest, that's a theme that you run through the book, I think, very effectively.
Yes, and of course, on top of that are the judges who are supposed to protect us from that, Jer.
And they don't. Because they are bought and paid for.
By the very nefarious forces you just mentioned.
Okay, they're yes men. Give you another example.
This judge, Randolph Moss, who was appointed by Obama on the federal court in DC. DC is the most politicized federal court of any court in the United States.
Worse than the Northern District of California.
And he paid $38,000 to get his job monies.
Tens of thousands of dollars more were bundled by Wilmer Hale.
Not coincidentally, the law firm of Robert Mueller.
That's where Mueller is today.
Jeannie Rhee, your favorite Jeannie Rhee, who shows up with a see-through shirt to distract you during grand jury pursuit.
That was one of the most amazing moments.
Right. As I said, there was nothing...
Top prosecutors showing up in a see-through blouse.
Well, unfortunately, there was nothing to be distracted with.
As a detail, but...
Right. But the fact is that that same law firm got a Trump judge appointed on the bench, Dabney Friedrich.
Now they can say, with the money they contributed, that they've got a bookend of judges on the bench.
One Obama appointed, one Trump appointed.
Great for getting clients.
Great for having judges in your hip pocket.
And that's exactly what we have on the federal bench.
They're all bought and paid for, every single one of them.
It's amazing. I mean, you constantly in the book go back to the original purposes of the founders, like page 59 talking about President Reagan, who basically someone once said that politics is the second oldest profession.
I'm beginning to think it bears resemblance to the first.
And you are pointing out that the original idea Was that the American Congress was supposed to provide a Republican branch of government where representatives elected by and for the people and thus owing their allegiance to the people.
But the design has sadly failed and worsened over time again as Thomas Jefferson predicted it would.
To where we have now not only Congress, it's the best that money can buy, but we have a judiciary that's the best that money can buy with all the privileges of power, Capitol Hill, etc.
And the judiciary becomes another responsive to no one branch of the judiciary, making up their own laws however they decide to do it.
And their economic interest not ever being scrutinized.
Is that right, Larry? That's right.
Why did we fight the revolution?
And you're a historian, Jerry.
But why did we fight the revolution?
The primary importance was our legal system was taken back to London, England.
We could not make our own laws.
We had to obey the king's edicts or be killed, be arrested, you know, executed.
They took away our guns.
That's why we have a Second Amendment.
That's why we have the right to commission militias.
There's not, militia is not a dirty word.
It's in the Second Amendment, as long as you are peaceful and legal and don't enact in self-defense.
And then, of course, there was the taxes.
We're about ready to see that happen, God forbid, if Biden and Kamala Harris are elected.
And we see the effects in California and New York and other states.
This is why they rebelled.
But of primary importance was the fact that there was no one to step in to protect them, such as the judges, which were owned by the king.
They were yes men. We didn't have women in those days as judges.
So now we have yes men and women.
But without them, we have no option but revolution.
And that's what Jefferson was saying.
And he was saying that, once again, remember who Jefferson was.
He not only was at the forefront of the American Revolution, he was a founding father in France as well.
He loved the French. He didn't want to get too close to the Brits.
He didn't like the Brits. And he actually was on the ground floor in starting the French Revolution, which was a very bloody revolution.
I think, Larry, you've represented some really famous cases and famous people and had great success with many of them.
I mean, Clive Bundy, I think, is one of the brightest parts of your career, and you've just recently brought that case successfully through the courts after years of litigating it.
You want to give some of the highlights of that story?
Because again, judicial corruption plays a big role in that story.
Yeah. Well, Jarrah, I mean, I equate you with the Bundys and many of my other clients is that you guys are true patriots, men and women, and you're willing to risk your life for your belief.
In this country and freedom.
And we're about ready to have to do that again.
But the Bundys are a good people.
And to make the long story short, the Bundys ranched their land for 150 years.
They're the great grandfather of Cliven.
His last name was Lovett.
Probably in Jewish origin.
Cliven taught me a lot about Mormonism in prison.
I visited him over 30 times.
They believe that the United States is the promised land, even before Israel, although Israel is number two.
And they're willing to fight for it.
And Cliven took the position that Obama and his goons at the Bureau of Land Management could not come into his land and tell him what to do about how he ranched his land When in fact the land was owned by the state of Nevada, not by the federal government.
And it is owned by the state of Nevada.
The federal government claims to own about 87% of the land in Nevada, about the same amount in Arizona, Utah, even 38% in California.
If you look at the way the land succeeded, It's owned by the people of those states.
How can you be a state when the federal government says they own 80%?
So he stood his ground.
And they sent in these goons, Harry Reid, who wanted to sell the land out from under the Bundys to the communist Chinese environmental interests, probably get kickbacks, you know, from federal government sale.
Very corrupt senator from Nevada at the time.
For solar power, wasn't it?
He wanted solar power?
Yeah. And so they come in and they terrorize the Bundys.
They threaten their lives. Cliven's sister Margaret gets thrown to the ground, assaulted.
His sons were tased. Cattle were killed, buried in secret mass graves to destroy his business.
And Cliven stands up and he gets on.
At that time, Hannity was profiting from this, so he had it on Fox News.
And people from around the country came on horseback and otherwise.
to protest and they were armed and there's nothing wrong with that.
Okay, that's your Second Amendment right.
They were fearful that the same thing could happen to them as what's happening to the Bundys and they stood down the government and years later the government struck again under Obama and they wound up indicting Cliven and his sons and the peaceful protesters and went in front of courts in Oregon where the the sons were acquitted They represented themselves primarily, and in Nevada, it wound up in front of a hand-picked judge of Harry Reid and Obama, Gloria Navarro, who violated every constitutional right, denied word of counsel, Which was me.
I worked on the outside at that time.
I had other cases for Cliven that I brought where I uncovered valuable evidence.
I later represented him in the in the appellate action where we won and denied him a speedy trial, threw him in prison in solitary.
He wasn't a threat. And we later learned there were risk assessments inside of the FBI and BLM that said they knew they weren't a threat, but yet they kept him in prison for two years.
And even the hometown newspaper, the Las Vegas Review Journal said the prosecutors have a friend in Gloria Navarro.
She's violating all their constitutional rights.
And here's the moral to the story.
Eventually, Navarro, because we found out that the prosecutors have withheld exculpatory evidence, that they had a kill list on the heads of the Bundys at BLM, all kinds of other things, she was forced to dismiss the case even though she didn't want to.
Who winds up appealing it?
The dismissal? The Trump Justice Department, if you can believe that.
Because the President is not even in control of his own Justice Department.
And when did it happen?
Under the auspices of Bill Barr.
And we had to go to the Ninth Circuit.
It was scary because the Ninth Circuit is very leftist.
They don't like the Obamas.
Excuse me, the Bundys.
And we won. By the grace of God, we won, like with you.
And these are good people.
And the really scary part is that if Biden wins and Kamala Harris wins, they're going to be back at the Bundy Ranch.
And we've got to be prepared for that.
But under Trump, he was a supporter, but his Attorney General sold out the Bundys, both of them, Sessions and Barr.
I did a lot of reporting for World Net Daily on Harry Reid's interests with the Bundys and the land and on the trial on this Judge Navarro.
Judge Navarro was picked because she was prejudiced on the Department of Justice and wanted the Bundys to be convicted.
And when she had to finally say that the case was dismissed, I thought she was going to die coming to that judgment because she hated to come to that conclusion.
If she came to that conclusion, you knew the case had to be really bad.
It was to save her own skin. It was to save her own skin.
She had so humiliated herself in being the yes man, yes woman of Barack Obama.
You know what was the trigger for the prosecution?
After the successful standoff, the only time in modern American history, there's now a TV show called Yellowstone with Kevin Costner, which is patterned after the Bundys.
Of course, there's a dark side to John Dutton.
There is no dark side to the Bundys.
Very popular TV show, number one.
But she knew that she was going down with that.
And so she winds up dismissing the indictment.
And, you know, that tells you something, is that they run for the fences when they have to.
The left will run for the fences if we stand up.
And the Bundys have stood up to the law, in quotes, the law, it wasn't the law, and they won.
It's, I mean, you fought some of these battles.
I don't think there's an attorney in America that's more experienced than you with fighting the corruption In the courts and arm wrestling with the justices in the federal judiciary.
And then, you know, you're the one who's demonized with it.
You become, no one, you know, we can't interview Larry Klayman.
We don't want Larry Klayman.
Just because you fought these battles, you become radioactive in a sense like I have.
And again, it's the deep state fear that you're as effective as you are, that you're going to win.
You're going to expose things.
Well, expose them and take action, okay?
And that's true. I mean, look, I'm fighting with the District of Columbia Bar Disciplinary Council.
That's in the book, too. They're all leftists.
You know what they've done recently?
Four bar presidents.
Plus, a senior Barr disciplinary counsel filed a complaint against Attorney General Barr, who I'm not a fan of, obviously, you've heard that, because he dismissed the indictment with Michael Flynn and went on Fox News to talk about it, okay?
They allow for a complaint to be filed by a communist, Michael Tiger.
That's in the book. He sat on a hearing committee with me in the District of Columbia Barr, someone who was fired by Justice William Brennan for his communist ties to Castro.
And has been a communist ever since.
And they allow him to file a complaint against Kellyanne Conway for remarks she made on MSNBC. They entertain it.
Yet, a complaint that was filed by Ty Clevenger, who's a friend of mine, former justice lawyer, against David Kendall of Williams and Conley, the Clinton's law firm, for helping her destroy 33,000 emails, is thrown into the trash by DC Bar Disciplinary Council within seconds.
They all give heavily to the Obamas.
They all give heavily to the Clintons.
Every institution in this swamp, which I say is too mild.
It's the cesspool. Every institution has been infected with this radical leftist ideology that wants to destroy not just President Trump, but every one of us that is standing up to them.
And I'll take the heat and I'll fight back and I will win.
But I take it as a badge of honor.
But This is where we are today.
And then you've got the leftist hordes in the streets that actually want to kill us.
So we have to be real.
We have to know where this country is today.
And that's why this book is important, because even if the president wins, he needs support.
And he's only there for four years.
And the downward slide continues.
And the left, because the demographics in this country, will continue to get more powerful.
Well, I've been working against the Clinton Foundation, trying to expose it as a criminal fraud, a money bank for the Clintons.
And Charles Ortel, who I've worked with in New York, we fought this battle, but you actually filed a RICO case, which is the Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, RICO, against Hillary and Bill Clinton and the Clinton Foundation.
I think it's probably the only A legal case I know of really brought against the Clintons for running a completely fraudulent foundation.
And then you had run-ins with the judges there as well, right?
Right, Larry? Well, that is one of the top 10 on my judicial hall of shame.
Right. Middlebrooks, he bailed out.
He took an exit stage left.
And guess who the lawyer was for the Clinton Foundation, Jerry?
Wasn't that Jeannie Rhee?
That was Jeannie Rhee, the one that tried to get you.
And she is also with one of these big Washington law firms, which tends to be a revolving door for these people in government.
And then they come back with cushy jobs and get rewarded, make millions of dollars.
Right, Larry? WilmerHale, the law firm.
WilmerHale. And Mueller.
And let me tell you a story about this, too, is that Jeannie Rhee and Mueller...
They're just part of the overall Washington establishment.
But these judges, these federal judges are taking cases away from the jury.
Why did our founding fathers put in a jury system for civil cases as well as for criminal cases?
I mean, you only had a jury in ancient England for capital offenses.
Our judges put it in for everything because they didn't trust the judges.
They knew that they would become bought and paid for, that the American people should make decisions on important cases.
And what these judges do, there's a Supreme Court case It's called Bell Atlantic versus Twombie.
I write about it in the book, where it says if there's any plausibility in your civil complaint, the judge has to let it go forward to a jury, to discovery in a jury.
The judges flip that on their head, the federal judges, and they get to say, we get to decide whether it's plausible right out of the box.
We don't think it's plausible.
We can dismiss it, and that's what they did.
That's what Middlebrooks did with that case, and that's what a bunch of other judges did, and I go through that.
They think they're God, and they're taking our constitutional rights away to have a jury decide cases.
They decide them, and again, and excuse the language, but they are just a bunch of whores.
They're bought and paid for.
Whores. And in my book, On the judges, I say this figuratively, not actually, because I don't want violence, but the first to be taken to the guillotines should be the federal judges.
And Larry, you've been very much a supporter of President Trump and fought for him.
And we just now have these Kavanaugh hearings confirming justices and what we just went through with Amy Coney Barrett or Catholicism being attacked.
And this whole issue of the Obamacare, which was really a bogus issue in terms of the way the Democrats presented it, that's become so violently political.
Do you think Donald Trump has a chance in a second term to make...
You do talk about what it's going to take to reform.
You're ending up the book by, what are we going to need to do to fix this?
And it's, you know, basically man the barricades.
It's now the people's turn, which is your chapter nine.
Do you think Donald Trump has a chance to actually make an impact here?
Well, he's made a large impact other than what other presidents have done, but it's not enough.
Just like what I've done is not enough and what you've done is not enough.
We need to pull together right now.
I pray the president will win.
I Don't have a good feeling about the election.
You have a different opinion than me.
Because the people are uneducated.
And because Americans tend to vote against people rather than for people.
And they can't get the message out, the Trump campaign, because of the leftist media and Twitter and Facebook and the rest.
Now, I pray that he will.
In the back of my mind in 2016, while I was saying stuff that was not to jinx us, that we're a little bit pessimistic, I thought he was going to win.
I thought that he would. I don't know if it's going to happen this time.
But even if it doesn't, we, the American people, need to rise up.
And the President himself will be back.
He would start a major television network, I'm sure.
He could run again in four years.
He's in pretty good shape right now.
And then I have a really radical idea that I came up with this morning, Jerry.
Okay. It's not in my book.
Maybe when we go to the second edition, I'll put it in.
All right. But we, the people, are the government.
We have the right to form our own government, just like our founding fathers did.
I mean, read the Declaration of Independence before you read my book.
It won't take you long. When the bonds of government are broken, when they no longer represent we the people, we have the right to abolish that government and to form a new government, you know, for the people with God's divine grace.
Suppose we started an alternative government in Philadelphia, take it back to Philadelphia, squeeze the leftists out, and we have President Trump elected as our president.
You know, it sounds very radical, but that's exactly what the Founding Fathers did in 1776.
They said, we don't recognize this government.
It's broken away from the people.
We'll form our own government, and we'll do it under God's grace.
So anyway, that's an idea that came to me this morning, but it's not in the book.
But I would like to get the capital out of Washington, D.C. Washington, D.C. is like Disneyland.
I mean, we're not Greek with Greek buildings.
I think the most hallowed ground is Independence Hall in Philadelphia.
Well, I'd like to move the bureaucracy out first, get them out of Washington.
But I think there's a twist to your idea, which is I think Donald Trump is going to win.
I'm much more optimistic on that than you are.
But the point is, Larry, I think The next move for the radical left will be secession.
They'll want to form their own government.
Government of California, Washington State, whatever they decide.
But they're not going to play the game anymore.
The left is now thrown down the gauntlet.
They want to eliminate, pack the court and all these other measures which will destroy the Constitution.
They don't believe in God. So there's no God at the center of what the left wants to form.
But, Larry, how are we doing, Craig, on time?
We've been going a little over an hour.
Okay, so we're going to wrap it up.
But I think, and I'm going to give Craig a chance to comment, but I think, Larry, you've written a very important book here.
And it's one that not only tells the story of your life and career, which you've spent decades fighting these battles, and probably no better than anybody else I can think of.
Certainly when I faced my challenge where Mueller wanted to imprison me, And I had not lied.
Would not take their plea to be able to stand before God to say I committed a crime.
I didn't commit just to avoid being imprisoned.
You were the first one at that level as we really got into the David Gray has done a remarkable job.
David was great as well.
All of us were. We were a great team.
You brought to it an element of firepower of really knowing how to confront these people and how to deal with them.
Both my wife and I have been very much impressed by and in deep gratitude for, and I want everybody to know that that achievement to pull me through that crisis, I can't think of anyone in the country I wanted more than I wanted you, Larry, and you did a great job.
Thanks, Jerry. Well, I feel the same way about you and your wife and your family.
I respect you and admire you because you stood up.
You didn't fold. Everybody else folded, except you.
And we cannot fold right now.
The message that I was giving at the beginning is that the best way to play defense is a good offense.
Keep the ball. We, the American people, must go on the offense.
Remember what Jefferson said again.
When the government fears the people, there's liberty.
They must fear us because they've broken away from us.
They don't represent us. And I pray that the president will win.
I pray that he will. I believe the Democratic Party has become the party of the devil, and the left has become inhabited by the devil.
And we are the party of God, the Father and the Son.
And I believe that He's with us.
So I pray that we have a good result.
But that's not the be-all and end-all.
We still need to do it for ourselves.
And the President's going to need to be backed up.
And he has an Insurrection Act, okay, that he could use.
I believe that he should have used it before now, but he thought that maybe that would hurt in terms of the election.
But he's going to have to lock all these people up quickly, and he's going to have to get himself a new Attorney General.
And, you know, I would volunteer for the Post, but I could only be an interim Attorney General.
I could never get confirmed by the Democrats.
Maybe we can go four years with an acting attorney general.
Nor the Republican establishment wouldn't want me either.
They knew I would do something.
But he's got to get somebody in there that we can work with if we're going to restore justice in this country.
He doesn't have anybody right now.
Craig, you've produced this and listened to it patiently.
What are your thoughts? Well, as Larry was wrapping up, he captured it.
We are not fighting against flesh and blood.
This is not just against a group of people.
This is against the powers of...
This is against the controlling entities of the world.
And this is not just happening in the United States.
It's happening worldwide.
And it's just darkness.
It's the darkness against the light right now.
And we have to, number one, as the Bible says, we need to fear not.
We need to stand strong.
We need to be united.
And we need to push back against the darkness.
Stay in the light and just be godly in your approach, because if we let these forces of
evil darkness overwhelm us, then I don't see a way for humankind to come back from it.
Dr. Corsi?
Dr. Corsi Well, Larry, Craig, would you show the cover of the book one more time, please?
It's been up on the screen pretty much the whole time.
Okay, good. And Larry's book, It Takes a Revolution, Forget the Scandal Industry.
This is a very important book, Larry.
I commend you for having done it.
I said it. My comment on it, Larry Klayman is a fearless advocate who defeated Special Counsel Mueller's deep state attempt to have me testify against President Trump.
And I think we're all very grateful to you for that, Larry.
And I'm very grateful to you for writing this book.
I hope that it becomes a huge national bestseller and We'll have this interview up on our social media.
We'll give it to you to post as well.
And I hope that many, many people watch this video and share this video.
Larry, any final thoughts you have before we wrap up?
Well, Jerry, you are an example of what we need in this country to save this country.
And that's why you're not just my very good friend, that your family is my good friend and my client.
And I admire you and you're like many of my other clients.
You're in the top echelon of that because you're fearless and people need to listen to what you've said.
You've never been proven to be wrong at anything that you've said, not even once, but yet Fox News won't let it air.
So we need to do it ourselves and we need to move forward ourselves and we will prevail if we hang together.
As Benjamin Franklin said, either we all hang together or separately we will hang.
And now is the time for the American people to rise up and to wage a second American Revolution in the mold of Thomas Jefferson.
You can see the cover of the book.
Thomas Jefferson is right in front of Independence Hall and you've got these clowns on the Supreme Court.
He's looking at them saying, what the heck are you guys doing?
And, you know, in my youth, Jerry, I like to throw in a little humor.
I've done some stand-up comedy from time to time, but you remember Rocky and Bullwinkle?
Oh, of course. Yeah, the cartoon.
Rocky asked Bullwinkle what college he went to.
He said, what's the heck of you?
That's good. And that's kind of our Supreme Court.
What's the heck of you, you know?
Well, I'll tell you, at least the Democrats hopefully don't get a chance to put nine more of them or however many more they want on it.
It's, you know, saving these institutions is going to take a lot of work, but it all does start with God and it starts with a revival again to come back to God's principles.
Our founding fathers were godly People, and they put God at the center of what they did.
We have to do the same.
Larry, thank you very much.
Good luck with this book. Today is Friday.
It's October 30th.
We're just four days from the election, 2020, with attorney Larry Klayman and his book, It Takes a Revolution.
Forget the scandal industry.
Thank you, Larry, for joining us.
God bless. Thank you, Jerry.
In the end, God always wins.
I want to thank everyone for listening to this interview.
And we'll be back with more book reviews.
This is Jerome Corsi with my producer Craig.
God bless you. Thank you for joining us.
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