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Oct. 22, 2020 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Dr Corsi DEEP DIVE Interview 10-22-20: Dinesh D'Souza New Movie Trump Card
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Better light.
you So, Dr. Corsi, day before yesterday, we had Danelle D'Souza Gill on, and she did a fabulous presentation of her new book, The Choice, and now we've got Papa online.
Dinesh is with us.
Dinesh D'Souza. Dinesh, greetings.
You've got a brilliant daughter, and she has written a great book.
It was a real pleasure to interview her.
Thank you very much. It's, you know, it's such a timely topic and so much has changed since Roe versus Wade and of course now with the change of the composition of the Supreme Court, all of this has come front and center.
So I'm really glad that as a young woman she's speaking out about it and documenting this great shift.
It's almost as if the argument has become, made it more clear what's in the womb and the Democrats along the same time have become more radical.
They're getting more radical every minute, it seems like.
We're here to discuss Dinesh's new film, which is called Trump Card.
And it's excellent.
It's outstanding. And it goes along with his book, The United States of Socialism.
And Dinesh, we're going to show some clips from the movie.
And this is your fifth film, isn't it?
I think that's right, isn't it?
It's number five. On the books, I've sort of lost count.
I think it's number 16 or 17, but I've made five documentaries starting with my Obama film, which, Jerry, you are a part of, in 2012.
And I think Trump Card is, in a sense, my most ambitious film.
Some people say my best one.
It certainly outlines the most serious threat this country has faced in the time that I've been here.
I came at the age of 17.
I've never felt the American Dream hanging so precariously in the balance.
I think it's a brilliant film.
I really enjoy it. We're going to show some clips from it.
And first, tell us where it's available.
Trump Card, where can people get the video?
Yeah, this movie is not in the theaters.
I didn't release it to theaters.
Theaters wanted it, but the theatrical picture is so uneven and spotty.
I didn't want it to be where some people have the film and other people are frustrated because they can't see it.
So straight to video on demand, straight to DVD, trumpcardthemovie.com is the website.
Basically, you can buy the DVD from walmart.com or target.com.
And the film is up on a whole bunch of platforms from Apple iTunes to Google, YouTube, the movie site called Fandango, Voodoo.
It's also up on Xfinity and Comcast.
So many different ways you can see it.
We're not up yet on Amazon Prime.
We're having some trouble with them and they keep saying, we'll put it up, we'll put it up, but they haven't put it up yet.
So we're waiting on that one, but it's available in many places and you can watch it on any device.
Great. You download it basically and then you can watch it.
Is that correct? Exactly.
It's sort of like a pay-per-view.
You can buy the movie or you can rent it and then you just click and watch.
Great. We're going to start off.
I want to... The entire focus of Trump Card is really to explore the socialism of the Democrats and to find counter-arguments to it.
And Craig, if you can go to the...
Five minutes into the film.
This is the part that five minutes into the film where you basically are giving a speech and you're talking about socialism and it shifts to basically setting up the premise of the film which you start with some scenes from 1984 which is a dystopian novel George Orwell and it ends very badly because the The totalitarian state catches the hero and then puts him through a brainwashing session in which he conforms to their radical ideology after he's been tortured, essentially. And that's, again, the nature of what you're showing here, the totalitarian nature of socialism.
It's ultimately a dream where you can be the architect of your own destiny.
America is a country where you can be in the driver's seat of your own life.
In which your destiny is not given to you, it is constructed by you.
I see a movement that threatens the very reason I came to this country.
It threatens everyone's American dream.
The DSA is the Democratic Socialists of America.
Socialism! It's starting to get more popular in America.
We are unstoppable!
Another world is possible!
We have to say yes to socialism, to the word and everything.
This is clearly the future.
Democratic socialism.
What's the difference? We got an early glimpse of what this socialist dream looks like during the coronavirus shutdown.
We as a church were in danger if we met.
I'm just preaching the word of God and look at all the police car here.
We will shut you down, we will cite you, and if we need to, we will arrest you.
A Tampa Bay pastor has been arrested for violating coronavirus social distancing rules.
Public health and safety groups are turning to drones to monitor public spaces and enforce social distancing rules.
And I'm starting to feel like I'm in a communist country.
There are powerful people in politics, in the media, and in Hollywood who want America to become the United States of Socialism.
And if you disagree, they'll beat you into submission.
My hands are being put in handcuffs.
My ankles are shacked.
In a period of 18 months, I went through 23 different audits or investigations.
FBI, open the door!
29 FBI agents with assault weapons and hand grenades and a battering ram to smash in my front door.
They even tried to overturn the 2016 election.
A deep state cabal involving the FBI, the Justice Department, and the Obama White House set its sights on former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn until their plot was exposed.
So you think this goes all the way up to the top to President Obama?
Absolutely. Is this true?
No president has ever tried to frame and entrap his successor.
There are millions of Americans standing in the way of socialism and the deep state.
And they have a trump card.
America will never be a socialist country.
Well, Dr. Corsi, America will never be a socialist country.
This is the part of the film, Dinesh, where you go through showing essentially all the things that were done in the Obama administration to really overthrow President Trump, including arresting Roger Stone, all the violence, the determination to make us bend to their socialist agenda.
But then you ended up by saying that there's millions of Americans who are resisting this and are opposing it, and we have a Trump card.
And that's really pretty much the theme of the movie here, that you're trying to explain and show us why socialism fails.
And why Donald Trump is so particularly unique in his ability to resist and fight this.
Is that correct? Yes, we examine Trump in two separate capacities.
The first is that for most of his career, he was the classic entrepreneur.
And so even if he had never entered politics, he would embody that anti-socialist spirit.
Now the socialists have always looked at the entrepreneur as someone who supplies only capital.
That's why Marx called it capitalism.
And he called the entrepreneur a capitalist.
The assumption is that entrepreneurs don't do anything else.
And so one of the things we look at in the movie is what do entrepreneurs do?
If Trump wants to buy a building or he wants to build the Woolman Rink or the Trump Tower, what are the elements that he contributes to this over and above the capital?
And now, Trump is also a popular culture figure.
And so he's unusual in that he's a politician, but who has a good feel because of his background on The Apprentice, as a television guy, as a guy who hung out with rappers.
He speaks into the culture in a very unusual way for a politician.
And this makes him, I think, effective as a political leader in the fight against socialism because he isn't just fighting the political war, he's also fighting the culture war.
So this makes the Trump card a kind of two-dimensional type of card.
It recognizes that the battlefield isn't just politics, it's also culture.
And you're also making the point that the...
Capitalist system is one that is a market-driven system that has, over centuries, been really proven to be the only effective way of producing a standard of living that can be shared by vast numbers of people and that, in fact, We'll get into this more deeply, but this whole idea that everything should be equal, you know, that justice is fairness in John Rawls' terms.
You also cover this in your book.
On the United States of Socialism, that it's fundamentally flawed.
You know, we each have different talents.
We're born to different people, different times.
And one of the quotes I like best in your book is when you say, you know, is justice inequality?
And you say, well, you know, that goes back to Aristotle, who basically said justice is, in a sense, inequality, but it's giving the due to everyone for whom they are, what they achieve, what they accomplish.
And the recognition that we are not all necessarily to be treated equally, that some have greater gifts, that some have greater ability to contribute.
And these are what the market takes into Account and rewards those who produce things that are of value, such that people will pay to get them or to participate.
It's a fundamental refutation of the idea that capitalism is inherently wicked.
And that's, I think, a core idea you're communicating in this film.
Is that correct? Yes.
The socialists try to make two points.
They say markets may be efficient, but they're unjust.
And second, they make the point that socialism, at least their type of socialism, is democratic in that it's rooted in popular consent.
Now, I try to refute these two arguments at the fundamental level.
I refute the idea that socialism is democratic by saying, look, even if you have democratic socialism and even if the people get to speak, they have control over the economic system, they would exercise this control only indirectly and once every two or four years when they cast a ballot.
But let's look at how often we vote in the free market.
We vote every single day.
We vote with our hard-earned money.
And so capitalism is not indirect democracy, it's direct democracy.
And second, it is something that is exercised by everybody.
Even voting privileges are not available to everyone.
Children can't vote, felons can't vote, illegal aliens can't vote, but they all do vote in the market.
So the market is unbelievably responsive to what people want.
And the second point is that the market uses the standard of value, that is, what is the value you create for the other guy, for the consumer?
Because everybody, if they had to attach their own estimation of value, would value themselves unbelievably high and everybody else unbelievably low.
So the market uses not a purely objective standard, and it doesn't use a sort of an algebraic standard, but it says basically, look, Your value as an entrepreneur is what value you can create for a consumer.
If you can make the consumer happy, sometimes in some cases by anticipating their wants even before they have them and inventing, let's say, an iPhone and going, wow, here's a phone.
It does this, this, and this.
And nobody may have written Steve Jobs a letter saying, I want a phone that does email and I can watch movies on that takes photographs.
But he anticipates that want, he creates the product, he puts it out there, and then pretty soon people realize, wow, I can't live without it.
So this is the genius of the entrepreneur and contrast it with the sort of complete inertia and lack of innovation that we see in government institutions.
When is the last time a government institution invented something?
The post office, in my opinion, would to this day have not thought of overnight mail if Federal Express and UPS hadn't come along, private companies, even though the airplane's been around for 100 years.
Right, I mean, I want to play another clip, Craig, this clip at about 1845, where you really get into these ideas in terms of how You see the end result of socialism is scarcity, want, not being able to produce enough for a society to get on.
So Craig, if you could, this will be a clip that's only going to be a short clip.
We need to expose the Scandinavian illusion.
We must discredit identity socialism on its own terms.
We need to show that socialism, even democratic socialism, inevitably leads to misery and tyranny.
What you show in this, I think, is the basic idea, you know, socialism is free this, free that, free everything.
And it's going to be the, you know, the seduction of thinking that everybody gets everything they want and nobody has to pay for it, that there is no consequences of, you know, compared to what it ends up with, which is empty shelves, people starving, people dying.
And that's ultimately, I think, when you begin to realize that this socialism, this utopia that's being promised is really a lie.
Dinesh? You know, the Scandinavians, countries like Denmark and Norway and Sweden, they never use the term free stuff because they know that nothing is free.
They offer a kind of expansive welfare state, but it's a recognition that the whole country is in this together and everyone has to pay.
And that means that the middle class has to pay, no less than the rich.
The poor have to pay. The Scandinavians, in fact, have something called the VAT or value-added tax.
25%, it's on consumption.
And any economist will tell you that that falls, that burden proportionally falls heavier on the poor than on the middle class, heavier on the middle class than on the rich.
So the Scandinavians don't do what the American left does.
The American left is all about railing against millionaires and billionaires and robbing Peter to pay Paul in the expectation of getting Paul's political support.
The Scandinavians don't do that.
They don't demonize the rich.
They consider their welfare state to be a shared enterprise, and they distribute the burden across the whole society.
In fact, you're saying fundamentally that this whole idea that Scandinavia is a perfect socialism and it's the case study that shows that socialism works.
When you understand Scandinavia, it's not the kind of economy that the left here in the United States is asking for at all.
And, you know, here we've got Bernie Sanders saying we're going to have tax increases.
We're going to take guns away.
We're going to, you know, make sure God is out.
I want to read a passage from your book, page 133, when you're talking about Andy Ngo, who is the reporter who's been beaten up in Portland, Oregon by Antifa.
And you're talking about the intolerance and the Submission, beating into submission.
And you write, when journalist Andy Ngo recently showed up to cover an Antifa rally in Portland, the activists beat him so badly that he had injuries all over his body and a brain hemorrhage.
Ngo's offense was nothing more than publicizing racial hoaxes and recording the violent tactics of Antifa and the left.
So what does the left want from Andy Ngo?
They want him to embrace their race and gender hoaxes and their Moulin Rouge society.
And you say it's a particular kind of Stalinism where in which there's an official position on every aspect of identities of identity politics.
The left's goal is to stigmatize resistance as discrimination and to ruthlessly punish dissenters so that everyone Is suitably warned.
Socialism is a scheme for the trampling of human hearts.
So there is a very rough edge that kind of is consistent with how you open the movie with the whole Orwellian scene of 1984 of torturing someone into acceptance of these radical ideas.
Donette, you want to comment on that?
Yeah, I think it's the great genius of Orwell to see that socialism, a philosophy that is presented largely in economic terms.
If you read Marx, he's talking about the workers and the capitalists, the bosses.
He's talking about socialism very much in terms of a class divide.
And he doesn't really go into other factors like race or religion or gender.
In fact, Marx considers those to be somewhat of distractions.
But for the left today, it's all about those things.
I mean, the typical socialist cares more about abortion than the minimum wage, more about the transgender bathroom than about, say, universal basic income.
And the goal is to establish a regime of conformity across the whole society.
That's why the recreation we do in the movie from Orwell I think is very important.
They're trying to force Winston, the protagonist, to admit that 2 plus 2 is actually 5.
Why? Because the state says so.
So reality is not something that you perceive.
It's something that is dictated by the state.
And the state can actually change its mind.
So tomorrow they might decide that 2 plus 2 is 6.
And you have to go along with that also.
This is where leftism is headed.
So another way to put it is that in this election, it isn't just our economic liberties, but also our civil liberties that are on the ballot.
And if you don't agree with their Green New Deal or climate change, you have scientific objections or a biblical objection to same-sex marriage, those views are not going to be accepted, are they? Well, they are licensing a regime of hate in the name of fighting hate.
And this idea that you can be intolerant toward the allegedly intolerant.
Antifa basically is based on the idea that it's right to use force against fascists.
The problem here, of course, is that Antifa doesn't find any fascists.
The people that they go after are people who support Trump, Republicans, Christians, Patriots, Conservatives.
They go after Hispanic families that are having a birthday party and they go knock over the tables and smash the birthday cake.
They pull people out of cars when they're just trying to get through.
So these people are the real thugs.
But of course, if you go up and they go, oh no, we're not the thugs, we're fighting against thuggery.
So this is what we're dealing with and Orwell himself was on top of this too.
He called it double speak, which is to say you're doing the thing that you claim to be fighting against while somehow not recognizing that you're doing it.
And it becomes extremely intolerant.
Anyone who disagrees with the Antifa deserves to be virtually killed.
Yes, because once they label someone a fascist, it follows that you have to do with them what we would do to fascists.
The United States went to war against fascism.
And so this is the point of making this, for example, this insinuation that Trump is a bit like Hitler in the 1930s.
It licenses all kinds of hooliganish...
Conspiratorial, destructive, deceitful attacks on Trump.
The media feels justified in making stuff up.
The organs of the deep state feel justified in setting him up.
They're trying to ultimately unseat him by any means necessary, to use a very common leftist phrase, by any means necessary.
And the social media, which is sanctioning and censoring anything that is Christian, anything that is pro-Trump, Anything that is not, of course, if you agree with their ideology, you can propose all kinds of bizarre ideas, including violence, and you're not censored.
I mean, that's consistent with this whole intolerant idea, isn't it?
It seems to me, looking back, that it's been very negligent on our part to allow the culture to be taken over so completely by the other side.
Their domination in academia.
I mean, it was large a generation ago when I was a student, but it's become near total.
Their domination of the media is enormous.
Look at the Joe Biden story.
I mean, this is a huge scandal.
Hunter Biden's business partner confirms that Joe is the big guy who's splitting the loot with his family members.
Other Democrats, Kamala Harris, Kirsten Gillibrand, Mayor de Blasio, now implicated.
They were listed as references by the Bidens.
They're apparently knowledgeable about what was going on.
And yet, dead silence from the major organs of the media.
So these people are not real media.
They're frauds. And their fraudulence, I hope, is being exposed for the whole country to see.
But it really shows you that even the digital platforms, these are entrepreneurial platforms that appear to be, in a way, testament to the power of technological capitalism.
And in the beginning, they offered us liberation.
Hey, you can not only find your old college friend, but also that you can have robust debate, perhaps the kind of debate that you won't see on CNN or in the New York Times.
And now, yet, these platforms themselves Have turned into ominous censors.
They're much less like the phone company where you can say whatever you want on the phone.
They're a lot more like the Atlantic Monthly where they regulate the content, they throw people off digital media, they restrict your reach.
Who would have guessed that free speech would become so endangered in 21st century America?
It's really amazing.
You interview a Muslim about why Islam and the left have gotten together as they seemingly have.
We see Omar and all these others who are becoming increasingly anti-Semitic and oppose Israel, but have embraced radical Islam.
And you pose the question, which I think is a very intriguing question here, as to why.
But doesn't identity socialism and radical Islam make strange bedfellows?
I raised the question with Imam Muhammad Tahiti.
Any Islamist will tell you that America is the enemy of Islam.
They're chatting death to America every single day.
I did it for seven years.
Death to America, death to Israel.
What is the fundamentalist and jihadi agenda for America?
The future of America has to be Muslim.
So here's a paradox. In America, we have a political left.
It's a progressive left.
As you know, it's sexually permissive.
And this political movement appears strangely allied.
With radical Islam.
Can you explain this?
When I was an extremist, Islamist, fundamentalist, I would only vote left.
Why is that? I saw them as very stupid.
I would fear the conservatives because they come with principle.
That's not someone they can brainwash.
But the left, I know they have no values and no principles to begin with.
I dare you to find one Islamic extremist that votes for Donald Trump.
Never do it. They give their vote to the leftist who wants to run around in pride parades.
Islam extremists are against gays and homosexuals and transgenders, but they want the left to go and get busy with that.
They want them, go, go, go speak about the climate.
Go, go, go speak about abortion.
Go, go kill yourselves. Go, go do that.
Ilhan Omar, she's fighting for abortion rights and all the other...
My body, my choice?
Yes, go do that. But would she have an abortion?
Never. Never.
Would she kill a Muslim in her stomach?
Never. What's her take on her?
Fundamentalist. Extremist.
Islamist. Jihadi ideology.
A threat to national security.
ISIS with lipstick.
ISIS with lipstick.
That's the description of the Islamicists or the...
Muslim of Omar, Representative Omar.
And I think it's one of the more brilliant sections here of the entire DVD, although there's many I think are just brilliant.
The point of a radical Islamicist saying that when he was a radical Islamicist, he always sided with the left because they had no values, they were stupid.
And the right threatened him because they actually were principled, had values.
And the next part of it was that the Islamists said, well, you know, go for abortion and go for all...
We don't believe in abortion, he said.
We don't believe in homosexuality.
Go kill yourselves. I think he literally means go kill yourselves because it's allowing the left to deconstruct or destroy America and the Muslims, which he admits want to take control, these would be the first people they'd kill.
Dinesh? Yes, you've got a very bizarre alliance, contradictory on space, between a permissive secular left on the one hand and a ruthless, determined, radical Islam on the other.
Now, these two groups have teamed up because they have a common enemy in Trump.
From the left's point of view, the radical Muslims are just another minority.
Hey, let's include them.
And there's kind of a bargain here.
If you Muslims deliver the votes, get the imams to round up all the voters and deliver them to the Democratic Party on Election Day, we in return will protect you.
We will defend you.
And if conservatives criticize you, we will call them Islamophobic.
We will give you a platform for your views.
So this is...
a kind of political accommodation between these two camps.
But from the radical Islamic point of view, the left are fools and they're weak.
And so even though they have the upper hand now, the radical Muslims need the left to get a platform, to gain access, to be protected.
Nevertheless, I think when the day of reckoning comes, the Muslims feel they're stronger, they're tougher, they believe in something.
These sort of pansy liberals are going to be easy pickings for them at the right time.
But of course the right time isn't yet now.
It's only when the left has won and the left and radical Islam are sharing the corridors of power.
That's when the radical Muslims turn on the left.
And then let's see who wins.
So that's, I think, what happens if we let this go and the conservative and patriotic and Christian resistance collapses, then it's going to be basically between two horrific camps, permissive liberalism or radical Islam.
And Barack Obama, you and I have both done a lot of work on Barack Obama.
He was at least culturally raised in Islam and clearly brought a lot of Islamic radicals into government.
You cover this in the movie that in fact you know even to the CIA not wanting to say that you couldn't say that there was a radical Islamic terrorist because if they were terrorists they couldn't possibly be real Islam.
I mean all these distinctions that were drawn And Obama himself was happy to make this alliance, and I think ultimately was more comfortable if Islam won in the end.
What do you think about that, Dinesh?
Yeah, I think with Obama, and this was really probably the big contribution of my book called The Roots of Obama's Rage and then the subsequent film, 2016, Obama's America.
It angered Obama, but not because what I said was false, but what I said was true.
Part of what I was trying to show was, look, this is not a reincarnation of Martin Luther King.
This is not some civil rights guy who has any connection to Selma or Montgomery or the civil rights protests.
No. This is a guy whose ideas and values have been hatched outside the United States.
I'm not saying he was born abroad, but I'm saying his spiritual allegiance is to Kenya and anti-colonialism.
And also to Indonesia and Indonesian Islam.
So here's a guy who says this himself, dreams from my father.
He talks about his roots, not just in Hawaii, which itself has its own peculiar anti-colonial history, but also in Indonesia and Kenya.
And ultimately, a lot of that film, if you remember, Jerry, was narrated by Obama himself.
I just played long audio recordings from his own book in which he speaks himself about where his deepest loyalties lie.
It was a great film, and I think you're revisiting some of those themes here in Trump Card.
And I want to get to that core of the movie, but first I want to play this clip about Venezuela.
So Hugo Chavez won the election in 1999, and he was indigenous.
Venezuela is a very multicultural society.
It has Italians, it has Germans, but he felt like there were not enough indigenous people in government.
It was too white for him.
So he decided to demonize the white people in Venezuela.
Another parallel is the demonization of the rich.
Much of the attack of the rich was for those entrepreneurs making a living, selling goods and services.
So he decided to put a stop to that, setting price controls.
So it drove many businesses out of business and out of Venezuela.
What about wealth confiscation?
Hugo Chavez had his national television show where he showed walking down the street and taking any apartment or any house he wanted and giving it to the homeless.
And today if you leave your home in Venezuela and you go abroad and you come back...
Someone else will be in it.
For Ruben Barboza, the future looks bleak.
The future looks bleak for anybody left in Venezuela, Dr.
Corsi. And the idea, Chavez talking about coming in and just taking people's apartments, giving them to the homeless, essentially no regard whatsoever.
This all belongs to the people.
You stole it. We're going to steal it back.
If you didn't steal it, maybe three generations ago, you stole it.
Or you're... Forefathers stole it.
I mean, these ideas end up being a society in which no one has anything, Dinesh.
The Venezuelan model is pretty much where we're headed.
Even though the left says they want to follow the Scandinavian model, let's look at what they're doing.
I mean, they don't pull down Columbus statues in Scandinavia, but they do in Venezuela.
There's no Antifa in Scandinavia, but there is in Venezuela.
They're called the Collectivos.
They don't demonize the rich in Scandinavia, but they do in Venezuela.
They don't have confiscatory taxation in Scandinavia, typically the tax rate, the corporate tax rate, about 20%, same as here, but they do in Venezuela.
They've confiscated guns in Venezuela before launching an orgy of terror against the citizens.
So time and time again, You see the Venezuelan model is what the left is actually following.
And by the way, leftists don't go to Scandinavia.
Bernie Sanders is part Scandinavian.
He's never been to Scandinavia.
He honeymooned in Moscow.
When Michael Moore made Sicko, he didn't go to Stockholm or Oslo to show the wonders of healthcare.
He went to Cuba. And if you look at where these Hollywood guys from Danny Glover to Oliver Stone, Sean Penn, they all go down to Venezuela to embrace Hugo Chavez.
He's their hero, not some guy named Sven in Scandinavia.
And always the Chavez class has lots of money.
There's always a group of the top in any socialist or communist society where everyone else is living basically like rats, nothing there, and they are living lives of luxury.
I want to show a section from your discussion with Peter Schweitzer Accountability Institute.
He's done some great work on the Biden family.
This, Dinesh, is where you're getting Peter Schweitzer to document how, in fact, the Joe Biden crime family operates.
And of course, this is front and center today.
Peter, when I listen to leading figures on the political left railing against multimillionaires and billionaires, I kind of get the impression that they don't care about money.
But they do care about money, don't they?
Absolutely. They show it in all sorts of ways, especially when it comes to their own finances.
The Bidens have done very well, and Joe Biden's been very sophisticated and shrewd in the way he's done it.
He's essentially offshored the corruption, which means he's been in politics, was in politics for more than 40 years.
And during that time, his net worth really didn't grow.
But what did grow was the net worth of his family members.
Politician like Joe Biden, he has to disclose if he has $1,000 in General Electric stock.
He has to disclose if he gets a $200 campaign contribution.
But if his brother gets a massive government contract, if his son does a massive private equity deal with a foreign government, there's no disclosure requirement.
So, Dr. Corsi, it sounds like one big scam that the Biden crime family is running.
I think Peter Schweitzer and Dinesh make a couple of really important points here, which is, number one, if it shows up on Joe Biden's financial statement, he's got it reported in the Senate, but if it shows up on his brothers or his sons, he can steal all the money he wants and claim he didn't take any.
So it has become a family enterprise, and what they're doing is Selling influence to Joe Biden who can then get our government to make decisions which handsomely reward the Chinese or the Ukrainians or whomever, the Iraqis, whomever are in cahoots with this scheme.
Dinesh, this is still going on and now we're just getting a taste of it to really understand its depth when we have all these emails from the Hunter Biden laptop.
Yeah, let's set some context for it.
I mean, this is not, you know, Jimmy Carter wouldn't do this.
I don't think Michael Dukakis would do this.
This is something, this is a corruption that's set in with the Clintons.
They got it going.
And remember, their conduit for the corruption was a foundation.
Give money to my foundation, and then kind of coincidentally, wow, foreign policy favors begin to flow your way.
And the Clintons can basically, if caught, just go, what, what, what?
Amazing coincidence. Now, for the Bidens, it's been a family racket.
And this, by the way, is consistent with the Chinese who have had a long-standing policy across Asia, across the Pacific Rim.
They apply this in Malaysia, Indonesia, and that is they enrich the family members of politicians from whom they want big favors.
They know that this is the way it's done.
Basically, Biden found out about it and decided, hey, I'm going to get in on it.
And so this is not a scandal about Hunter Biden.
It's about Joe Biden.
He's the ringleader.
The other people are bag men.
And that's really why Joe demanded his share of the take.
You know, Hunter's complaining. Pop wants half.
Well, the reason Pop wants half is that Pop knows that it's his name that is bringing the money in.
Hunter Biden's a complete loser.
Nobody would give him the time of day, let alone a whole suitcase of cash.
But they'll do it because they want access to the decisions made by Vice President Joe Biden.
And the socialist elite have no problem enriching themselves.
They don't, and neither does the media left, which knows it.
You know, I've just been watching Leslie Stahl in her interview with Trump, you know, and Trump saying, you know, this is a smoking gun.
It's on the laptop. It can't be verified.
You know, this is sort of a kind of comic denial.
It's on the laptop. No one denies it.
Hunter Biden hasn't said, that's not my laptop.
So initially they come up with this foolish, you know, Russian disinformation.
What, did the Russians write the emails?
Did the Russians steal the laptop?
No, it was turned into a repair guy who turned it into the FBI. So Hunter Biden's partner has now come out and said, yeah, the big guy in the laptop, that's Joe Biden.
So boom, imagine if this had been Trump.
You would never be having, oh, it can't be verified.
Can't be verified. So the media knows that they're dealing with this crooked Joe Biden.
Once again, they're trying to drag a crooked Democrat across the finish line.
But the important point is they're not gullible.
They're not foolish. We can't call them.
We can't point out their double standards because they have no standards.
They're sort of like operatives for the left who are trying to achieve a result.
So a scandal is only a scandal if it occurs on our side.
If it's on their side, it's not something to be covered.
It's something to be covered up.
And I agree with you entirely, Dinesh.
The mainstream media now is nothing more than a propaganda arm for the intelligence agencies.
And the Democratic Party.
And again, like Islam, they want to go to a globalist world.
And socialism for them, I think, is just another convenient ally in the fight that they could later scuttle if they wanted to for a globalist world.
But the point is, there's consequences for what You do what I've done.
I mean, you've paid, you were charged with a really minor infraction, something you almost just didn't think about in terms of getting a campaign contribution paid to a friend.
And yet you were charged as if you were a major criminal.
I sat through the trial.
I watched your attorney, Berman, who is experienced, one of the more experienced criminal lawyers in Manhattan, Very brilliant guy.
And I talked to him during the trial a couple of times.
He was astounded at how badly you were treated and how biased the judge was against you.
The Department of Justice said they wanted you put away for five or six years, as many years as you could be put away for.
I mean, it's ridiculous. For most Democrats who would do what you did, a $10,000 infraction, Hillary Clinton wouldn't spend the time of day thinking about a $10,000 infraction when she's stealing $10 billion.
Well, and the people like Soros, of course, give millions.
You know, Rosie O'Donnell violated the campaign finance law five times, and we know this wasn't innocent because she used four different spellings of her name and five different addresses.
Nothing happened to her. I just read recently, yesterday, that the FEC, the Federal Election Commission, has sent a notification to the Biden campaign with 200 pages Of donors who have exceeded the campaign finance limit.
And the basic idea here is just, you know, maybe return the money back, let them know they've gone over the limit.
But there's no talk of indicting them, prosecuting them, locking them up, mandating, you know, for psychiatric counseling, none of that.
And their treatment is typical.
My treatment is atypical.
No American has ever been charged, let alone locked up For doing what I did.
And I think this is really why, you know, people on the left say, well, you pled guilty.
Well, yeah, I pled guilty.
But, you know, if you plead guilty, let's say, to speeding and somebody gives you five years in prison, that's not the same penalty as everyone else gets for that offense.
And justice is not a matter of did you do it, but does the penalty fit the crime?
And is the same or similar penalty applied to other people who did roughly the same thing?
Well, you were required to spend your weekends in confinement for a considerable period of time.
You had to devote time teaching English.
You had to go to a psychiatrist to prove that you weren't insane because you dared to support Donald Trump or you dared not to bow to their agenda.
I gave away too much of my own money.
I mean, that's essentially what it was.
I wouldn't take some, if I took someone else's.
This is what the people in the confinement center were really puzzled by.
I told them it's a $20,000 violation.
They were like, you steal $20,000?
I'm like, no, I gave $20,000.
They go, you took someone's money?
I go, no, it was my money.
They go, what? They could barely comprehend the nature of the hyena's offense.
And so they literally were breaking out into laughter when I gave them a clinical description of what my crime was.
But it wasn't particularly funny in that you were put through this, humiliating and very difficult.
I mean, this attempt to be silenced.
Now fortunately, your movie, Trump Card, begins with you getting a call from President Trump being pardoned.
That had to be an exceptional moment in your life.
It was, and it was also very revealing of Trump himself because, first of all, it was a very Trumpian type of phone call.
Even though this was an official call, Trump was in the White House with Chief of Staff John Kelly.
The mood of it couldn't have been more sort of convivial.
And, you know, Trump goes, I knew your case was, you know, BS from the beginning.
And as I was listening to Trump, you know, I was processing what he was saying, and I realized That if this was any other Republican, they would have sort of examined the political implications of this and called in a focus group to see how the public might react and what kind of criticism they might get.
And I realized that Trump did none of this.
For Trump, this was a visceral issue.
There was an injustice done.
He knew it was unfair.
He was in a position to do something about it.
And so he was going to.
So therefore, Dinesh, I'm giving you a pardon in the morning.
Just go out there and be a big voice for liberty.
So I've kept that in mind.
And I've also realized that this experience, although traumatic to a degree, is one that has been very educational for me and sort of disabused me from my old somewhat civics book idea of what American politics is all about.
Well, they tried to do the same with me and a plea deal with Mueller that I refused to take.
Fortunately, they did not indict me.
They had no case.
Didn't stop them, though, from Pressuring me and trying to suborn perjury.
They're bullies. And there's a couple more parts.
I want to end, kind of move towards the end here, playing a couple parts of the movie at 1.32.
Let's play the Lincoln segment.
So I think this is really important and pivotal in the film and what this is all about.
♪♪ Lincoln was a moderate man who found himself
in an immoderate situation.
The Democratic Party in the 1850s had become gangsterized.
Lincoln realized he would have to do things differently.
Early in the war, the Confederates passed an order that every black Union soldier captured would be executed.
In response, Lincoln signed an executive order.
It is therefore ordered that for every soldier of the United States killed in violation of the laws of war, a rebel soldier shall be executed.
Order of Retaliation, July 30th, 1863.
Why would a moderate man sign such an order?
Because he recognized that he had to do to them what they were doing to him.
Lincoln stood up and stared evil in the face and came up with a way to defeat it.
Well, what I think is so important about this clip, and we'll play one in a minute about Trump, Is that Lincoln understood that these, the Democrats were the ones who wanted slavery at this time.
And they were, you know, the premise that when Lincoln got in office in 1860, the Southern rebels went as insane as the left has gone insane today when Donald Trump was elected.
And Lincoln, of course, did not want to fight the Civil War, but when he got into it, he began to realize what it was going to take to win and how important fighting as he was ultimately for freeing slaves and He had to take these really harsh methods in order to go back at these demon lefts with the violence that they were causing.
In other words, you can't defeat these people by reasoning with them.
You can't defeat these people by let's talk nicely.
These people are violent inherently and they go insane in their demonic ideas.
Including embracing slavery, which was the Democratic Party at the Civil War.
And I think, Didesh, this is, I think, a very important and pivotal point in your movie.
You want to talk about it? Yeah, what we're talking about here is the fact that we're not in a cold war against a foreign opponent, as Reagan was.
We're in a domestic, kind of a cold civil war.
Lincoln realized in the 1850s that the Democratic Party had become gangsterized.
And although a moderate man, he knew that he was in an immoderate environment.
I think Trump faces a very similar situation.
The left is yanking away the guardrails of American society.
And it's very clear that not only are they willing to condone violence, but they're willing to bend the rules every which way.
Let's open the border and let in illegals.
Let's pack the court.
Let's knock down national monuments.
Let's set places on fire.
Let's pull people out of their cars at intersections.
Let's unleash the deep state.
And the key point here is that they do it in the hope and the knowledge that we won't do the same thing to them.
You know, we'll knock down your monuments.
We know you won't knock down our monuments.
We'll use the deep state against you.
We know you won't use the deep state against us.
We'll pack the court. We know that even if you controlled all the branches of government, you wouldn't dream of packing the court.
So at some point, Lincoln realized, we've got to give them, in turn, we've got to sort of do to them what they're doing to us, otherwise they will never stop.
That's the line I use in the movie, and I think that's the kind of take-home line in terms of the Republican Party and the need to toughen up and the need to recognize that the left is exploiting our decency and our innocence.
The clip we're going to play next about Donald Trump I think is very appropriate.
And it shows Donald Trump has the same toughness, the same determination, not to just tolerate evil,
but what it's going to take to fight evil.
We're going to fight some capitalism with some basic socialistic programs.
Bart, shut up! Just as Lincoln stood up to the Democrats, Reagan stood up to the radical left.
This has to stop, and it has to stop like the day before yesterday.
Reagan lived in a different time, and a different tone was appropriate.
If Trump appears to be a mud wrestler, it's not because he created all this chaos and division.
It created him. I think people have always seen me as a fighter.
They know that I don't take a lot of crap from people.
I think a lot of people are tired of watching other countries ripping off the United States.
Next time they fire so much as a bullet at one of our ships, we ought to go in and take over their royal.
Trump's fighting spirit goes way back.
He doesn't run from problems, he runs toward them.
In 1991, Trump was out for a ride in the town.
Stop the car!
Hey, put the bat down!
Call the cops! I didn't do nothing, Mr.
Trump! What do you think you're doing nothing?
You're hitting the guy over the head with a bat!
Drink the Metropolitan.
Myla, call the police.
My whole life I've been a fighter, and now I'm going to fight for you.
We're gonna fight. He fights because he knows what's at stake.
America is the place where anyone can rise.
And here, on this land, on this soil, on this continent, the most incredible dreams come true.
This nation is our canvas, and this country is our masterpiece.
We look at tomorrow and see unlimited frontiers just waiting to be explored.
Our brightest discoveries are not yet known.
Our spirit is still young.
The sun is still rising.
God's grace is still shining.
And my fellow Americans, the best is yet to come.
With Trump as our leader, we will leave socialism on the ash heap of history.
And so, Dr.
Corsi, the best is yet to come.
It's the clip about Trump fighting and getting out of the car and the person who was being beaten by a bat and his, like Reagan, determination to fight.
And I think that's critical.
This is, in a sense, a war, a spiritual war, a A war for the future of our country.
And Donald Trump's vision is we'll fight for the freedoms and we'll fight for our best days to come.
Dinesh? Yeah, Trump is...
General in the fight against socialism.
In that sense, he's a bit like Ulysses Grant in a political sense.
Now, imagine if you went to Lincoln and said, oh, this Grant, you know, he's so intemperate.
He ran his father's store into the ground and he's a heavy drinker, loves the alcohol too much.
He's, you know, he uses profanity in front of his wife.
I mean, Lincoln would say, yeah, but, you know, can he fight?
Well, these are interesting points, but let's take them up after the Civil War.
So the bottom line of it is Lincoln recognized that in times of crisis, you need people who are effective on the political battlefield in this case.
And Trump has more than proven himself.
In fact, I think any other Republican in his position would have long folded by now And Trump has shown that he is equal to the sort of ferocity of the other side.
In fact, they're stupefied by him.
Initially, they were contemptuous.
They thought they got a hold of him.
They know now that he is a colossus.
He's very difficult to deal with and he's very difficult to bring down.
Even, you know, they thought they got him with the Access Hollywood tape.
Then they thought they got him with Stormy Daniels.
Then they thought they got him with coronavirus.
You know, he just opened the hospital door and the man comes cartwheeling out.
It's amazing. Lincoln's two-word summary of Grant was, he fights.
He fights. Lincoln got it down to those two words.
That was his defense of Grant.
He fights. Grant did fight and was vicious, but he had to be.
We're going to defeat the South slaveholders without bringing to them the pain that they wanted to inflict on others.
You had a meeting after the...
Go ahead.
Well, I was going to say there's many people who debate the causes of the Civil War, but one immediate cause of it was that a Republican president got elected and got elected fairly, got an electoral majority, and the other side refused to accept the result.
And so Lincoln believed, correctly I think, that he was fighting ultimately for the legitimacy of the democratic process itself.
Now, true, the Southern Democrats said, oh, Lincoln is trampling on our liberties and so on.
But Lincoln said in his first inaugural, he said, name one liberty that you're entitled to, something in the Bill of Rights, let's say the right to free speech or the right to free assembly or the right to vote, that I have taken away.
You can't name any of them.
In fact, I've barely taken office.
So the point is that this was a case of refusing to accept a Democratic result, and this is exactly what happened in 2016 with Donald Trump.
The left has still not accepted the result.
They're determined to use every means to prevent Trump from winning again.
And so our situation is analogous not to 1980, but in some ways to 1860.
Your video froze.
We heard you fine, right, Craig?
The voice came through? Yeah, for a while there, Dinesh, your video was frozen, but it seems to be coming back online right now.
It's coming back online now, but we didn't lose anything that you said.
Okay. I want to also, you had a meeting with Donald Trump after the pardon.
You and your wife were in the Oval Office with him, and basically you're asking him, you know, in terms of all the Grief he's had, all the lack of respect, the determination, the resistance movement to get him out.
And Trump said, tell you the truth, it does get to me after a while.
This is on page 221 of your book on the United States of Socialism.
He said, it does get to me after a while.
I'm out there trying to get the job done.
And no matter what I do, these people are after me.
Look at the Baghdadi situation.
Trump had just directed one of the most successful anti-terrorist operations resulting in the death of the world's number one terrorist.
It was Abdu Bakar al-Baghdadi.
As well as his second-in-command, which, by the way, was a move that was widely appreciated in the Middle East and largely was one of the—that and the death of Soleimani led to the, I think, historic peace deal we've had with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain agreeing to accept the sovereignty of Israel as a Jewish state, something that was almost unimaginable to happen without the agreement of the Palestinians, and the Palestinians were ignored.
And what Trump is saying is he's saying that, basically, he said Obama was greeted with hosannas and cheers.
The media went into full genuflection mode.
Even though, this is what you're commenting, even though Trump had a very different response when he got rid of Baghdadi.
Trump said the media act like it was nothing.
It was a one-day story.
And even then, Trump said all they wanted to talk about was the dog.
For them, it was all about a meme.
I mean, this is a turn to impeachment.
What a sick joke. I think Trump understands what he's going through.
And he understands that the left has no attachment to truth.
The intelligence agencies will now fabricate like they are, saying that The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.
And yet, Trump seems to be able to have a determination that he can continue to fight this fight.
And it doesn't seem to deter him.
As you said, Dineshi, even when he gets COVID, two or three days later, he looks healthier than he ever has in years.
Go ahead, please. Well, the significance of the meeting we had with him was Trump showed a kind of vulnerable side that we don't often see in public.
You know, we expected him to say, oh, the media, I don't care about them.
They're a bunch of fools. But he's like, wow, you know, it gets to me because I think Trump's thinking at the end of the day, he's a patriot.
He's doing this for the country.
He's donating his salary.
He doesn't have to do it.
And by the way, many of the people who bitterly lash out against him are the same people who lionized him.
A few years ago.
It's only when he came out as a Republican that he became sort of the all-round global bad guy.
So I think Trump has got these people's numbers.
So his ability to be vulnerable and feel ultimately when they treat him badly, but at the same time to hang tough, And not to give in.
I think that's a very appealing combination.
It showed us sort of the multifaceted nature of this man who can be generous and yet he can also be tough.
And he can be vulnerable, but he also will not give up the fight.
That's the most important thing.
I mean, even through all he's been through, the election is just as much of a chaos.
The left is causing any kind of chaos they can cause.
But yet, how do you think the election will end?
This is not my sort of area of expertise.
I don't claim to have any inside understanding of the polls.
I would just say that the polls, as they are, contradict every ounce of common sense that I have.
My gut tells me that Trump is going to win and win decisively.
Now, I do see I live in a very red part of Texas.
The Republican here gets 80% of the vote.
And yet I notice there aren't a lot of Trump signs, a lot of Trump hats.
Not because people aren't for Trump.
Everyone's for Trump. But they don't want to be, you know, they don't want someone yelling at them in the grocery store, as some idiot keying their car, as someone confronting them in the bank.
And so the Trump support is a little muted.
It's becoming a little less muted as we get closer to the election, but it's essentially been a phenomenon that has occurred in the face of the cultural intimidation of the left.
And so I wouldn't be surprised if people call up a Trump voter, they go, you're for Trump?
Oh, no, no, no, I'm undecided.
Of course, he's not undecided.
He's gonna deliver for Trump on November 3rd, but he's not gonna tell some pollster that.
This is my instinct about what's really going on.
And I think these, the same people who predicted a whopping Hillary victory are in for a nasty surprise in November.
Well, I'm by training a political scientist and I agree with you.
One of my measures is the excitement.
And I don't think you could pay 10 people to sit through a Biden speech But Trump does a rally and he gets 20-30,000 people showing up on a minute's notice.
And the enthusiasm factor to me, and I think the intimidation of the left is such that it is in your face.
The left is in your face all the time.
And it's something the average person doesn't want to have to go through.
And I expect the demons are going to scream all the way to the end.
We'll probably have Election fraud.
We're going to have contests of different things in terms of the electoral challenges.
They're saying Trump won't accept the results of the election.
I think the Democrats are again telegraphing that they're not going to accept the results of the election because they know they're going to lose.
But the point is, I think that through all of this, Donald Trump has had a remarkable resilience I think he's had the hand of God on his shoulder, I think in large part, because he has become more godly.
He's become more committed.
He always was, even as a young man, committed to the United States and the purpose of the United States.
But I think he's now seen more of a spiritual dimension to it, and that gives him an additional element of resilience.
And Dinesh, when he reached out and gave you the pardon, Which was, you know, very much in favor of happening.
It, to me, affirmed that Trump understands, as it were, the spiritual elements of what we're dealing with here.
Do you want to comment on that? Yeah, maybe I can close in this way.
We now have a reverential view of Lincoln.
We see Lincoln as this kind of solemn, grave figure with a beard.
And we look at him through the midst of history.
But when Lincoln was a young man, he didn't have a beard.
And his opponents considered him to be kind of an unserious man and a little bit of a clown.
And when Lincoln first was elected, he'd made some joking comments about secession, saying he thought it was ridiculous, it wasn't really going to happen.
And so that Lincoln has sort of vanished from history.
But that was also Lincoln.
Lincoln gained in gravity.
He gained in piety.
His rhetoric, he was a little irreverent in his younger years, but his rhetoric became more Moses-like, if you will, and you see those tones in the second inaugural.
And we've seen with Trump the same thing, a kind of development.
Trump was kind of a man about town and the ladies and the wine, and that was his life as a younger man, but you don't see that now.
He seems to be a man with determination, a man who has a sense that he's got his hands on the levers of history.
And so I think that the analogy between Trump and Lincoln, although they were different in personality, is not as far-fetched as many people might think.
I think those are good comments.
Craig, do you want any concluding comments on your part?
Well, it's obvious in 2020 that the left has declared war against everything that they disagree with.
This is not just our fight against flesh and blood.
This is against principalities and the people that want to control us.
It's a grudge match to the end as far as they're concerned.
They've pulled out all the stops and they're not going to quit.
Even after November 11, if President Trump prevails, which I think he will, they're going to continue to fight until the last breath because they know what's coming at them, an avalanche of hammers when President Trump is re-elected and if he has a Republican Senate and House behind him.
Then it's all bets are off and we will, in my opinion, start to see the indictments we should have seen years ago.
This is a fight of darkness against the light.
Dr. Corsi? Well, Dinesh, I commend you for a couple of things.
Number one, you weren't silenced.
You fought back. You don't seem at all deterred by what you went through with the prosecution.
You have yourself tremendous resilience and tremendous courage.
I think this is your best film, and we've only shown little bits of it, so I think people will hopefully want to fill it in, all the pieces that connect here.
It's a great story.
It lasts about an hour and 45 minutes, but I watched it nonstop.
It was spellbinding.
And I think you've done a great narration, a great quest to answer these questions.
You seek out some really good interviews.
Peter Schweitzer interview is excellent.
There are many throughout the entire movie.
It's a very engaging movie.
And I strongly encourage everyone to get the full movie and to see it.
And Dinesh, again, if you could tell us where people can get the movie, I think that would be very helpful.
Just go to trumpcardthemovie.com.
It will connect you to Apple, iTunes.
It will connect you to Google, Vudu, YouTube, Comcast, Xfinity, many different platforms where you can see the movie.
You can also order a physical DVD from walmart.com, target.com.
You can do it right off the trumpcardthemovie.com.
And especially in these last two weeks before the voting and throughout which I expect beginning of this year, all this year has been chaos.
I expect it'll end in chaos.
And this is a great movie to watch when you're feeling low or wondering how things are going to go because it's reassuring that the American dream isn't going to be lost.
And that depends a lot on us praying and doing our part God will do all the rest.
I agree. I think the American people are getting the message and the message is getting through despite ferocious efforts to keep the American people in the dark.
I think those efforts will not fail and the light will prevail.
I agree. Thank you, Dinesh, for taking the time with us today.
It's always a great pleasure to talk to you.
Thank you very much. Really appreciate it.
We wish you great success with this DVD and we look forward to talking with you again.
In the end, God always wins.
I think he's won in your case and I think he's going to win with this movie and I think he's going to win with Donald Trump.
God bless. Thank you.
Bye-bye. God bless everybody for listening.
Thank you. This has been, this is October 22nd, 2020 with Dinesh D'Souza, Jerome Corsi, signing off with my producer Craig.
God bless all for listening. Thank you.
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