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Oct. 22, 2020 - The Truth Central - Dr. Jerome Corsi
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Dr Corsi DEEP DIVE Interview 10-21-20: Evangelicals Under Attack
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I'm going to play a little bit of the intro.
So, Dr. Corsi, looks like we've got a room full of evangelicals today.
And we're very blessed to have this group together.
This is Dr. Jerome Corsi, my producer Craig.
Today is Wednesday, October 21st, 2020.
And we have a panel discussion here on the attacks on evangelicals.
And it's very important as we're in the final stages here of the Presidential campaign and the country has been in turmoil this entire year and I guess the evangelical movement is no different.
Dr. Graves has organized this.
Dr. Graves, welcome back.
Thank you. Would you please introduce what we're going to do today and introduce the guests please.
Well, we have Dr.
David Cabal, we have Dr.
Jim Garlow, and we have Dr.
Lance Walnut. These gentlemen are known very well in the evangelical realm of our nation.
They are leaders. They are men who stand for truth.
They are men that stand for the American freedom And it's a privilege to have them with us today.
It's no secret that America was founded on the Christian foundation.
And our very foundation is now beginning to crumble.
And I know what happens to a structure when the foundation crumbles.
So does that structure.
And therefore, these men are here To protect that very structure and to not only reinforce it, but also to advance it.
And so with that, I will turn it back over to you.
Thank you. Well, thank you very much, Dr.
Graves. And I'm going to come to each of these gentlemen for a brief opening kind of statement, then we'll get into the discussion.
In no particular order, Dr.
Kubal, would you like to say hello first?
Oh, welcome. Yeah, great to be with you all today.
So excited to share.
Things that I'm very passionate about.
This issue, the word evangelicals, lost its meaning.
It's been hijacked. And we need to recognize that and we need to address that in the States.
It's urgent. Absolutely.
And Dr. Kabali, you want to tell us a little bit about your ministry?
Yeah, I'm President and CEO of Intercessors for America.
We pray for the nation.
Hundreds of thousands of intercessors across this nation connect.
Today I'm going to speak on my own behalf, though, because I want to be very pointed in my comments.
We'll give you that privilege.
Just I want everybody to be able to identify who you are.
Dr. Garlow, please.
Jim Garlow. We have a ministry called Well-Versed, and that's weekly Bible studies.
We bring biblical principles of governance to government leaders and to those who elect them.
And so we have weekly Bible studies.
Pre-COVID we did.
Now we're having to restructure with COVID. But in the Congress, for members of Congress, at the United Nations, for those who work there, we meet privately with ambassadors.
I've met with 93 of the 193 ambassadors of the United Nations.
Again, that's put on hold with COVID at the present time.
And then we co-sponsor a Bible study with Jews and Christians studying the Tanakh together in the Knesset in Jerusalem.
and we meet with government officials for ever we can, whatever country we can,
to bring biblical principles of governance.
Thank you.
And Dr. Walno, please.
Sure, I'm Lance Walno and what I primarily, can you hear me?
Yes, his audio is fine.
We're gonna do just fine.
Okay, so.
You're just fine, you're great.
I feel good then, thank you, I'm fine.
Here's what I did.
I came around from corporate America.
I used to work in Babylon, New York.
So I was in the business community with a Fortune 500 company and became a Christian.
And I thought the things that Christians should do is make sure the nation is in revival.
So I left the corporate world to work with churches.
And then when I worked with churches, I discovered that the churches were too disengaged from culture.
So I created a model called Seven Mountains of Culture and started propagating that, that Christians need to go into all of culture.
Media, like we're doing now, politics, courts, law, entertainment.
And then around 2015, I saw something which I believe was Kind of almost like a prophetic moment when I realized that America was heading towards a turning or a crucible and that Donald Trump was the one person who would be Churchillian in nature, who could navigate through it.
And I didn't go down well with many evangelicals, but I proved to be right.
And since then, what I saw has only become more concrete.
And that is that the great divide in America is spiritual in nature and we need leaders That are influential to align with the Christian message so that we can once again persuade the country.
That's great. Well, welcome all.
I want to start and we'll just kind of ask the same question to all three of you.
Start with Dr.
Kubal again. I'm seeing the evangelical movement under attack both from without and from within.
Do you want to give us your perspective on this, please?
Yeah, something I'm very passionate about, as I've mentioned, as we all are.
You know, in 2016, four years ago, the Democratic Party was, they were, everybody was saying that they kicked God out of their party, and they did.
I mean, when the platform was before the floor, they, you know, said, no God, and, you know, poked their finger in God's eye.
It was a terrible moment in the history of our nation.
And it had a really bad reaction among evangelicals and churchgoers.
You know, I separate those two.
And so about two years ago, almost three years ago, George Soros made a very strategic decision.
To pour hundreds of millions of dollars into America to pull the liberal church, the justice-minded churchgoer, into the Democratic camp.
And they have been on this campaign for the last two or three years to redefine the word evangelical.
The evangelical, as it is used in common in politics today, is really meaningless.
It does not mean what it meant five or ten years ago, the infallibility, inerrancy of the scripture, the sinfulness of man, the need for regeneration in Christ, the protection of life from womb to tomb.
It does not mean those things anymore.
I've been involved in evangelicals for Biden because I've been curious and I've watched as they have really Simply taken the single issue of justice and taken that to incorporate as many of the liberal, justice-minded churchgoers as they can.
And that is the only topic that is really at the center of what they define as evangelical.
And they take scriptures and, you know, proof text certain scriptures in order to prove their points.
And so this has been a very effective strategy.
Evangelicals for Biden is a very active coalition within the campaign and they've attracted many On the left side of the religious circles.
So that's something that we've got to recognize, that they've hijacked this term.
It no longer means what it meant five or ten years ago, and it is brought.
We must either recapture that word and use it correctly and shout very loudly what it means or come up with a new word.
But evangelical does not mean what it used to mean.
And so they're pulling all sorts of people into their camps.
Thank you. Dr.
Garlo, the same question, please.
Well, let me take a broad scope, a macro look at churches in America, and then go back down to just laity and how they're responding to all of this.
There's 364,000 places of worship in America.
About 20,000 of those approximately are Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, Sikh.
So we'll put those aside for right now.
About 20,000 of those are Roman Catholics.
So we'll put those aside for right now.
Even though I work a great deal with traditional Roman Catholics all the time and enjoy that, but when we talk about just Protestant churches, that would leave around 320,000 or so.
Of those, 72%, when surveyed, 72% of them would not fall within the framework of bible teaching bible bible believing that does leave 28 a hundred thousand that are that's the good news the bad news is when you drill down deeper in surveys and i'm quoting my buddy or barna who's a close friend who actually did a podcast interview with him yesterday and ran all these figures by him again even though these figures have been out for some number of years When you drill down on the 100,000 that claim to be Bible-believing, Bible-teaching churches, we would use the term evangelical.
You find that if you ask the kind of questions that reveal whether they actually have a biblical worldview, Drops down to as low as 6,000, as high as 15,000.
Let's just take the number 10,000.
So we have basically about 10,000 churches that actually understand how to apply scripture to every dimension of life, personal, family, church, congregational life.
And civil governance.
God speaks to the issue of civil governance.
So when you see that number fall that low, there are lay people then rising up in the pews.
And I could point you to a brand new Facebook site that was just formed a couple weeks ago that is exploding with lay people and some pastors.
Who are rising up, and the laypersons, many of them, the good news is, they're seeing beyond this.
That's why the numbers, for example, holding for Trump, specifically on moral issues, is actually not only slightly increased from that 81%, But in addition to that, a survey today came out showing that these evangelicals are not merely voting against Biden and what he represents.
They're voting for Trump very specifically and the agenda he holds to.
So the good news is an enormous number of laity, millions, grasp it and get it.
We need a lot more institutional leaders, Christian colleges, denominational heads, and pastors to catch on to this.
Dr. Walno, please.
Yeah, and...
To me, the interesting thing about what Jim just said is that there's a worldview challenge for the Christian leaders.
I think the problem is that we don't recognize that we no longer have this separation of church and state.
We think we do. But the left has actually created almost a theologic veneer over their quest to govern.
So what you really have is a form of secular religion.
That came out pretty clearly when I was seeing Senators Pelosi and Schumer and Harris kneeling on that classic photograph in solidarity with BLM. And I thought, I've never seen Democrats in such a sacred, devoted posture of prayer in my life, considering that they removed God from their platform so intentionally.
So this is a new religion.
And the moment that evangelicals and Christians and Pentecostals recognize that we're not dealing with politics anymore, we're dealing with the secular fundamentalism.
That is seeking to redefine religion and its role in America.
That's when we're going to be able to mobilize the resources we have, which at this point are more awakened in the laity than they are in the clergy, who sees politics as nothing but a loss So they dance around it and avoid it.
But I do think that there's going to be a big redefinition coming out of this election regarding who is leading the church and speaking for the church and who is not.
And George Soros has done, obviously, a calculated job at trying to rent evangelicals to endorse the left's worldview.
But they actually don't resonate with the vast majority of the body of Christ.
They only resonate with each other.
So there's an opportunity coming in this moment to recapture a narrative as to what Christianity is and how it's indispensable to the preservation of democracy in our country.
When I look and see the critical justice theory, the new Marxism, as it were, the left professes and is taught in the school this justice, And it's really politicized.
I mean, it's suddenly everything is race, and we're racists and colonialists, and history's got its statues that have to be torn down.
But when you look at what they do, they're tearing up the cities.
They're destroying everything they can destroy.
The Democratic governors are arresting people for going to church, but not for being on Antifa or Black Lives Matter violence.
And I think the Everybody is very seductive.
Who's not for justice?
Who doesn't want social justice?
Who doesn't want racial justice?
But this is a perversion of the term, as I understand it, because it's really about kneeling to the black race.
It's an elevation of racism.
It's an intensification and politicalization of racism.
I mean, you know, I'm not a minister, but in my view, it has nothing to do with what Jesus Christ was professing, which was a gospel of A gospel of redemption, a gospel of repentance, a gospel of grace, a gospel of love.
Dr. Kubal, would you like to comment on these ideas?
Boy, I sure would. And Dr.
Corsi, you are describing it very clearly.
And the fundamental question at issue is what's the nature of man?
Is man flawed or is man basically good?
If you believe that man is basically good and you find racism in a culture, it's not the individual's fault, it's culture, it's cultural structures that are at fault.
And so they must be torn down and reconstructed, defunded and start over.
And the only force that can do that is government.
Now if you have a biblical worldview where we've been talking about correctly about a biblical worldview, you believe that man is sinful and flawed and racism is not found in structures.
Racism is found in individual hearts where sin is and the only solution to that is religion and we know as true evangelicals that is found through a relationship with Jesus Christ and so Below the surface of all of this is what is the correct understanding of the nature of man?
Is it perfectible, as the left says?
If nature of man is perfectible, they just need to be provided the right opportunities, the right cultural solutions, governmental programs, In order to progress and be better.
And that's what we're finding.
We're seeing a war of worldview.
We're seeing a war of what is the true nature of man.
It will never work because man is sinful and flawed in nature.
And so it comes from the heart.
And religion, morality, faith in Christ is the only solution.
Thank you. Dr. Garlow?
Well, David, you could not have said it better because at its core, it's an anthropological question.
What is the doctrine of man?
What do you mean about humankind? Are they basically good?
Are they basically bad? Or were they created good and there was a fall and there was a dimptive plan of God through Jesus Christ?
That's the anthropology that we follow as true evangelicals.
There's a harmonological issue going on here, and that's the doctrine of sin.
One thing that's prevalent among all liberal types is they do not have a functioning harm of theology.
They do not have an understanding of the nature of sin.
They cannot grasp the nature of the fall.
They fail to get on that issue.
And they fail to understand, most people seem to fail to understand, That at its core, what we're witnessing in our culture is fundamentally a spiritual battle in the heavenlies between the demonic and the angelic, and it's being manifested here on earth in some remarkable ways that we would call the political.
And let me give you just an example of Genesis.
In Genesis 1, 2, 3, 4, that sets the whole stage and all the rest of the Bible trying to get back to what was lost in Genesis.
In Genesis, God established us as male and female, first thing he said about us.
The second thing he said is marriage, man and woman become one flesh.
The third thing is procreation.
So what does the enemy do?
The enemy comes in reverse order, like Mahatma Gandhi taking that least contested ground and takes the third one first and starts killing the babies, dealing with the procreation issue, Genesis chapter 4 verse 1.
Then the enemy goes back to Genesis chapter 2 and deals with the marriage issue and destroys and redefines the nature of marriage.
Then the enemy goes back to the first one, male, female, and destroys what God first declared about us as binary, male, female, and say, no, you can switch over whatever you want to be, call yourself what you want, and there's 56 different genders.
Added into that dynamic is the command to till the garden, and you have that one.
There is a fundamental entrepreneurial, we're made in the spirit of God, Capitalism or free market built into that, that gets destroyed with the notion of socialism.
And in the dimension, the first commandment is be fruitful and multiply.
Along comes the enemy to steal, kill, and destroy everything in the womb.
And so what we're seeing is an outworking On earth, politically, of a spiritual war, the angelic demonic forces at war with each other, and it's manifesting here, and many so-called pseudo-evangelicals, calling themselves evangelicals, have been suckered into this.
When Lance used the term written evangelical, he didn't make that up.
That's on tape.
We just sponsored a conference and we played that tape just a few days ago in Washington, D.C. That's on tape said by one of the Soros type people saying we get enough money we can rent an evangelical and we can provide that tape for people if they want to see it.
They're playing us as suckers and many have bought the bait.
Dr. Wallenau? You know, and what's interesting about this is I don't think most of us have understood that the Democratic Party made a decision that they could cobble together a constituency out of grievance groups that would atomize the nation into categories of people.
So if you have inequality as a theme, then you can get everyone who feels aggrieved over their sexual preference or their gender or race, creating this kind of illusionary world of a hierarchy of oppressed people and representing the oppressed masses.
And so this whole grievance industry is part of the new theology, which is somebody's done you wrong and we're going to represent you and make it right.
But by atomizing society, they've created a real vulnerability.
And this is where the Christian community has an opportunity.
They've actually declared war on the middle class.
And this is why the flag burning, the Bible burning, the church attacks, the contempt for the NASCAR and NFL gets targeted.
These are the middle class values that basically are shared in America.
They're the byproduct of the Cold War fusion of Billy Graham evangelical Christianity and the early Eisenhowers and influencing government.
And what we have now is this kind of Awakening that's happening amongst believers that the country is being pulled apart because there are people that are being exploited with the idea that they are victims and that those that make up the majority of the middle class in America that are being assaulted for their values, they are perceived as the guilty party.
The clearer that this comes out and the more that people understand that's the dichotomy of politics, The more you're gonna see a defection from the left, which will only make them more radical.
But that actually isn't a bad thing because I think America's in a moment of discovering that the party structure that we're dealing with is those that are against America as most Americans want it to be.
And those that have been asleep in securing and protecting America.
So that's gonna create a really powerful narrative in competition with each other coming out of this election.
It also, Dr.
Kubal, I want to go back to you on this issue, the utopia promise.
The left is saying, just give us the power.
The government will make everything right.
We'll solve all these problems and we'll punish all the evildoers who are the Christians and those who tell you you can't be perfected.
But I mean, the The promise is predicated on maintaining victims who are the, you know, the point, I think is partly what African Americans are realizing, what Latinos are, you know, 30,000 cars in Florida with Latinos saying, we don't want communism, we don't want socialism, we escaped from Venezuela, we escaped from Cuba, we're not going back.
So Dr. Kubal, this whole utopia promise You know, you can have heaven right here on earth.
That's got spiritual dimensions, doesn't it?
Well, and it does.
And, you know, my mind thinks of two things.
And the first thing is, what's the definition of utopia?
You know, what some people think is utopia is not another person's utopia.
And what was utopia 10 years ago is not utopia now.
You know, it's never changing.
The word progressive is used on purpose because it's always progressing.
It's always who is the loudest, who's got the most power.
They're defining what is utopia at the moment.
And if it's ever changing, then it will always be changing.
And then my second thought, Dr.
Corsi was, you know, at the root of us, We want our Father to take care of us, you know, whether we know it or not.
And whether that's government in the form of a Father taking care of us, healing our hurts, healing our needs, providing for us, or if it's our Heavenly Father.
You know, inside of us, God has wired us as spiritual beings to respond to Him as our Heavenly Father.
And unless we have that perspective, we're going to be reaching out for any fatherly image, anybody that can take care of us and heal our hurts.
And the left understands this.
As Lance has said, they're utilizing the atomization of America and the divisiveness that is brought out of people's pain and hurt.
So that's a couple of my thoughts.
Very good. Thank you.
Dr. Garlow? It's interesting how this is manifesting.
We look at the problem at its core, but then how does it show up?
How does it bubble up?
How does it manifest? And the way it tends to manifest has become a predictable pattern.
I don't know why this particular order, I haven't figured that out yet, but almost always the first issue is a capitulation on the issue of the definition of marriage.
On the homosexual question.
And they find themselves defending inappropriate relationships.
This is happening, I mean, even this very day, yesterday and today, at premier institutions of my own denominations, college presidents came out with statements that are in absolute violation of anything that would have been followed as much as three years ago in the history of the denomination.
It tends to start always there.
And it's intriguing that they will tolerate on Christian College's campus that this exact quote, this is a holiness school, a predominant holiness school.
And they say, our LBGT community, Well, I went through all the...
I have a bunch of degrees from a bunch of different schools.
I never, ever heard anybody within the evangelical or holiness movement refer to any sin group in that way.
Our gossiping community, our adulterous community, our pornographic community, our gluttonous community.
We never identified people by their sin, labeled them, and kept them that way.
Yeah. And yet that is actually happening right now, so much so that one of the Wesleyan institutions today announced it hired a practicing homosexual to guide them In the process of how to go forward.
This is how whack this is.
The second dimension hit, because that wasn't enough, bubbling up for years.
The second one hit in 2020, and that was the phenomenon of BLM. We all thought on May the 25th, when George Floyd died, we actually all thought probably there was a chance to actually address actual racism in the nation and move forward.
Instead, this outbreak exploded in BLM, which is Marxist and anti-family and pro-trans and anti-Semitic and occultic, etc.
There's one organization, but what did white pastors do?
They started virtue signaling with their little BLM hashtags and started preaching sermons to make white people ask forgiveness for being white.
And entire churches are being emptied out, prestigious churches.
I know of one in the Nazarene denomination, it's just plummeting in attendance right now
because the pastor is simply demanding everybody who's white repent of being white.
And so instead of dealing with racism that could have been dealt with, he's now provoked it and
made it worse and the blood is on his hands for doing that.
And then I thought I've seen something I never thought I would see where pro-life is now put down
as a term and people say you pro-lifers you're only pro-birth.
You don't care about the baby after it's born.
That's the new lane. Even Tim Keller said, abortion is evil.
It's wrong, but the Bible doesn't tell us how to stop it.
Yes, it does. Don't promote the people who do it.
And so now we have the people backing up and redefining pro-life so they can justify voting for a person who slaughters babies in the womb.
And that is language I never thought I would hear coming from people who call themselves, air quotes here, evangelicals.
Dr. Walno? Yeah, man, I'm loving what you guys are saying.
What's interesting about the utopia issue, Is of course, as you go down in the age group, it is more appealing.
And I think that to a great extent, that's the fact that people that don't have any memory of the Great Depression or World War II or what evil looks like when it actually has governing power, the further you go from that, the more altruistic and naive you become.
And so, like those of us that are our age, our parents would tell us stories.
I don't know about you, but I would have my parents giving me Great Depression stories all the time.
We scraped the butter off of that, Mario.
You're throwing that out. Look at me.
And they went back to that moment during the Great Depression.
So I knew. My dad was a World War II vet.
I'd hear the stories. So this naivety that comes with the utopian mindset, I think it's proportionate.
People are more gullible or naive.
The younger they are, the less life experience they have.
But we have 50 million graduates of universities and schools who were fed this kind of nonsense over the last decade.
And that has an effect.
And I think what we're discovering is that the institutions themselves If Christianity is not engaging them, if we're not actually involved with them, they will drift into a false theology about mankind.
The whole idea of the separation of powers is because the founders had a profound distrust of human nature.
They didn't all share the same Christian worldview, but they had an understanding of the Christian worldview that they wanted to see established in culture.
So the separation of powers, you know, the judicial and executive and legislative, I would say that the whole movement that we're hearing on the left, which is talking about Eradicating the filibuster and making new states with more centers and the electoral college abolition.
This is an extension of the idea that government can somehow be trusted and that people can be trusted to create a purer culture But I think that has an enormous Achilles heel once the argument comes out more clearly.
Because obviously, if the whole nation is systemically racist, then you can't trust human nature.
And you certainly have to have checks and balances.
So there's something going on here, which I think is a larger conversation we're going into.
But to the point that Dr.
Garla was making about the power of the LGBT, listen to how they brand themselves.
It was the homosexual movement, and they intentionally taught us to call it something else.
And they're geniuses at branding stuff.
But I remember when Culture Wars came out with Davidson Hunter, and he made the point that the homosexual community is only 3.5% of the population.
And yet they've achieved remarkable gains in re-educating or discipling the United States to be sympathetic to them as a community rather than to seeing them as outside of the moral matrix of Christianity.
And I think we need to ask ourselves, with so many Christians that are in the country, why is it that we are so limp and lame at actually shaping influence when you have a minority of people that are so effective It's because they aim at institutional credibility.
They aim for the top of the mind, molders, and culture.
And that's where we have to get a lot smarter.
We have to see that as part of what we have to influence, not just grassroots, but institutional.
Thank you. I want to get into the presidential election specifically, but one more question I'm really compelled to ask, and that is, you know, the admonition to judge by the fruits, know what something is.
And I say, okay, all this justice theory and say, now what are they doing?
And I turn in Portland, Oregon, and they're destroying the city.
They're acting like they're pathologically violent.
Black Lives Matter is, you know, destroying black businesses.
They're burning, they're looting.
It's criminal activity.
You look at the screaming and screeching that goes on with people in your face.
Look at Lindsey Graham just was confronted by some woman who seemed to have lost her mind.
They're so intense in their insanity.
I'm saying these people are so violent now coming into the neighborhoods saying, you're Donald Trump supporter.
We're going to come back and burn your house.
You know, get out of your house.
You deserve to turn that over to someone else.
I'm saying to myself, you know, who would want to live like this?
Defund the police? So if this is a political campaign and we watch what they do, I'd say, I don't want any part of this leftist scheme.
And I think the average person is saying, don't count me in.
That's not a world I want to live in.
I mean, Dr. Kubal, I mean, what do you think about this whole idea of really looking at how they manifest what they're actually internally about?
Yeah, well, these protests and these protesters are means to a different end.
I mean, you're exactly right, Dr.
Corsi. They only want to tear down.
They don't offer solutions.
I mean, you look at all the major league sports, you know, and racism.
Okay, give us something more than that.
You know, stop doing something.
What are you going to replace that with?
And that's just a means to the end of what the smart left, the smart politicians know, and that is all we have to do is get enough disruption and chaos going in the system, enough people looking for the next, and then these progressives say, we've got the solutions, vote us into place.
And so it's just a massive diabolical demonic power grab that is being used before us in real time.
It's just absolutely something we've never seen before.
It comes straight from the pits of hell.
And it is only about grabbing power and putting the progressive demonic agenda in place.
Dr. Garlow?
Let me go back to something I said before and give a little clarification, then come to the heart of your question as quickly as I can.
You sense probably as I talked about these statements about you're only pro-birth, you're not really pro-life, being a visceral issue with me.
And I thought maybe it'd be a good explanation of why.
My late wife, my first wife died of cancer seven years ago.
My late wife and I adopted four children.
Two of them were special needs.
One of them Strongly special needs.
He'll turn 30 very soon.
And I've dealt with the special needs component every single day of his life, including today, stuff that I went through today with him.
And another one has overcome a lot of her special needs.
And one of the children we adopted was the result of not only a rape, but a gang rape.
And she's now the wife of a senior pastor of a megachurch and a godly, wonderful first lady of that church.
So, and I've gone to many, many abortion clinics, the abortuaries on Saturday mornings to pray.
And I've seen people come, and we tried to talk about getting abortions.
And one lady on one occasion said, my child is horribly deformed.
We said, if we could get somebody to adopt your child and care for it the rest of their life, would you not abort your child?
She says, yes. We made one phone call.
There was a couple that gave their lives to that baby they had not even met.
So when people make this statement, we're only pro-birth and not pro-life.
Not at the heart of your question.
A friend, somebody that most of us would know, I've never met him.
Dr. Corsi, you've been around, you probably have met him.
But there's a gentleman who used to say with frequency, liberalism is a mental illness.
I used to chuckle at it.
But it's not funny anymore.
It was funny the first 20 times I heard it years ago, but now we're seeing it manifested.
And mental illness is serious.
And this is a combination of a demonic closure of spiritual eyes where people can't even see.
This is actually demonic.
Some of you perhaps were there.
I was at the President's acceptance speech at the White House and we stepped out afterwards and we were not prepared.
I tried to figure out how we could get to safety.
What were our options?
We saw the manifestations in a profound way, demonically.
So this literally, the irrationality of it, you can turn, I listen, I go ahead and listen to MSNBC and CNN a fair amount.
The sheer irrationality of statements.
These are not what thinking normal, healthy people would ever say.
This is a massive mental illness that has come on the nation.
Combined, that's the natural explanation, but in the supernatural realm, an incapacity to see spiritually, the spiritual eyes have been completely blinded to reality.
Ron Sider is an acquaintance of mine.
I don't know him well, but if you got on that call, Biden's, you said, Dave, you're on the call Evangelical Sir Biden.
Well, Ron Sider's the head of that.
I was in his home years ago when I was a graduate student.
I know him, and his brother-in-law who just passed away was one of my closest buddies.
So we were at a funeral together by Zoom just recently.
But for him to make a statement, he's otherwise a thinking person.
He's saying, well, we're supporting Biden.
We just want Biden to be more sensitive to our pro-life concerns.
Now, there's an irrationality to that because Biden just said, if they get Roe v.
Wade out of the court, the first thing I'm going to do is pass it to kill more babies.
Now, Ron is an otherwise smart guy.
Yeah. But there's something that's simply literally blinded an irrationality that sets in spiritually, and that's what we're dealing with right now across America in a widespread way.
Well said, Jim. Dr.
Wallenau? Yeah, you know, actually...
And it's true, it is like an illness.
What's crazy for me is how smart people can be afflicted by this kind of moral insanity.
So I'm listening to, and it's an exercise in real self-control, but I'll listen to the news media on other channels.
And I was listening to MSNBC and I was aghast, it was like two nights ago, the argument for Joe Biden We need to return to normalcy and come back to tolerance because the two words that you cannot associate with where the left is today in the hysteria of its assault on America is normalcy because they are actually the anarchists.
That are the opposite of normalcy.
Why Joe Biden would suddenly, in the Democratic Party, who can't speak a word against the destruction that's going on in America, the violence, or calling out Antifa, or even acknowledging it exists, why it is that they would be the party of going back to normal redefines what normal is.
But these are intelligent people.
I mean, it would be, if it was a Saturday Night Live skit, I would get the satire, but they're actually making it their argument.
That's my thought. That's a great thought.
Dr. Graves, I want to get you in the conversation now, too.
You brought the group together.
We're going to shift a bit more into the presidential, but what are your reflections as you listen to these comments?
Well, they mentioned justice, and I just think that even the word justice has been redefined.
I don't think that what we certainly have thought of justice Would be that which is right before God.
And that has been stolen.
It is unfortunate that it is now what justice is, is what has seen in that of whoever is declaring they want justice.
It is in their own eyes, in their own hearts.
And that is not what justice is for a society.
It has to have a plumb line.
It has to have something to have its foundation on.
And without that, then, as the Bible says, every man does what is right in his own eyes.
And so that is chaos.
That brings nothing but chaos to a society.
And I think that going into the presidential election, We need to really look at what is being said.
What's holding up those slogans that they are putting forth?
Just as was mentioned, you know, end racism.
Okay, so how do we do that?
They're not being held accountable for what they are actually propagating with their slogans.
And I think that we need to hold them accountable for some of what they are putting forth.
So I agree with everything that these gentlemen have said.
And thank you for the opportunity to say a few words.
We'll be coming back to you.
In shifting the presidential discussion, one of the images that stuck with me, I guess it was May or June, when the first violence was starting in Washington, D.C., and President Trump walked across Lafayette Park to stand in front of St.
John's Episcopal Church with a Bible.
And I prayed at that church.
That's a beautiful church, and it's been one of the most historic in America for the presidents going back Virtually the very first presidents who prayed in that church.
It's a gorgeous church.
I always try to find time when I am in D.C. to spend a few minutes in that church.
And here the Black Lives Matter had desecrated the church and they were screaming in the streets.
And it was President Trump who was demeaned for holding a Bible up saying to protect this church.
And that to me was one of the moments of the real contrast here because we have a Very sharp difference between what President Trump is standing for, who professes God, professes Jesus Christ.
He is, I think, more, I've known him for years, more godly than I've ever seen him be in the presidency.
And the Black Lives Matter had desecrated it.
They'd painted graffiti on it.
They were wanting to burn it down.
And yet it was Donald Trump.
And I'm saying this insanity, looking at how they're behaving in the streets, this Hunter Biden, And, you know, the nakedness, pedophilia, 14-year-old niece and smoking crack and exposing himself in videos.
I mean, this is the insanity of these two pictures we're getting.
And I'm saying to myself, I don't, you know, if that's what Joe Biden is and that's what they're presenting, I'm staying with St.
John's Episcopal Church. I'm staying with Jesus Christ and with Donald Trump and the Bible.
So, Dr. Kubal, what are your comments on this?
Well, you know, I just said a minute ago, I'm not sure if you caught all of that.
Go ahead. Go through it again so we make sure we get it.
Sure. Secretary Pompeo recently said that President Trump may not be a Sunday school teacher, but he knows how to hire them.
And it's a fact.
I mean, from Rick Perry to Secretary Perdue to Mike Pompeo, all Sunday school teachers, literally.
And so there's different qualifications in scripture for different roles in life.
A pastor has a different role.
A governmental leader has a different role with different criteria.
And, you know, I think all of us would not say some of the things that President Trump says, nor tweet what he tweets.
But the fact of the matter is that his policies are biblical on life, on religious freedoms, on so many different issues.
And then as you brought up, Dr.
Corsi, you've got the Hunter family and we've got 40 years of evidence of what Vice President Biden's policies are, but then you look at his son and I will just say that is it not a miracle That just a few months back, April, May, whatever it was, that there was a computer left at a computer store by Hunter Biden with conclusive evidence of the corruption, the crime family that the Biden family is.
And is it not a miracle that that owner of that store took this computer and gave it to the FBI and were learning about it?
Now, you could certainly ask why it took so long, and I think we should ask.
But the most important thing is that the corruption of the Biden family is clear.
There is obvious evidence.
Mainstream media is avoiding this like the plague.
Vice President Biden is avoiding this.
But we got to pray this gets out because the corruption is so obvious.
Millions and millions of dollars have been passed into the Biden corruption It's got to be taken, it's got to be talked about.
Thank you. Dr. Garlow?
That church you referenced is important.
Dr. Corsi, you've been around our president a good bit, and certainly before he was the president, you've been in that church.
I was there the morning of his inauguration, early that morning, I think all the presidents since Madison, I believe, have started their inauguration day in that church.
It's a very small church, not very large.
But while I was there in that service, that building means something to a lot of people, including to our current president.
And they had just attempted to burn it down.
We're talking two blocks from the White House.
Try to burn down the church where our presidents go on the day of the inauguration.
Now, some argue, well, that wasn't the greatest way to do the photo op, but Donald Trump Jr.
described his father as a blue-collar billionaire.
He might not say things the same way that some other people will.
One of my friends who knows him extremely well says this, he won't start a fight, but he will always finish it.
And that's what he was doing that day.
You tried to burn down this building, and I'm coming here, and it was symbolic.
Not only the left criticized, but some of the hueco left of evangelicals criticized and trounced him.
What did they get after him for?
For holding up God's word, mind you.
That was bad to them.
And walking with a team of people a couple blocks to a church that they attempted to burn it down.
And all their complaint was not about the people burning down the church.
Their complaint was him going there.
How dare he remove those peaceful protesters so the President of the United States could go make a statement that we as Americans understood.
You tried to burn this thing down.
I'm here as a leader and I'm going to stand with the Word of God.
The Episcopal Church that that's represented is not particularly sympathetic to the values we hold on this call.
But that was a symbol.
That building is a symbol.
And yet the critics are so obsessed With finding some fault in this man, they couldn't even bring themselves, those who even claim Jesus Lord, to even stand with a person who said, you're not going to burn the church down next to the White House.
They couldn't get it.
That's the blindness we're dealing with.
Thank you. Dr.
Walnut? Yeah, you know, I grew up Episcopalian.
I'll be even less polite on this.
The weird part was when it was all done, you would think that the pastor or the rector of the church would come out and say, well, at least we appreciate the president coming over, but instead she attacks the president and expresses solidarity with the protest.
And this is why the Episcopal Church is suffering the way it does.
So you have this really bizarre moment when you realize the theology of the left is even in the pulpit of churches.
But what was really weird is the photographs of that, if you take a look at it, the early ones have graffiti where they tried to burn the church down.
And the graffiti tells you, the sponsor and the author, it's kind of like, oh, the spontaneous thing with frustrated people.
No, it was very artistically, there was an effort made to brand it almost like a Picasso.
It's a BLM, it's an Antifa symbol on the side.
And that part was completely ignored.
But what really burns me up is the nut jobs that were attacking the president for what they felt was making a political statement about that moment.
As though we don't want the president to stand in solidarity with religious liberty in the United States and make a statement.
There were even complaints by some of the people that went over in his entourage.
Well, we didn't know where he was going.
They're backpedaling because they're almost apologizing for standing with him.
But I think that's indicative.
When we talk about spiritual warfare, it's this sense that you feel in a moment like that where the cowardice of leaders not to stand up with the president and not to express moral outrage.
I think it was like Franklin Graham and a few people actually defended him while a whole bunch went to the pulpit to go condemn him, which goes in a strange way to the Hunter Biden story for a second, because it is an act of God that this stuff is coming up right now.
I started an interesting theory that in the Bible, God raises up secular leaders for the sake of his people.
Christians and evangelicals all want to have their Christian leader up there.
But God, when he intervenes in history, he raises up a Churchill or a Lincoln for crises.
Trump is that kind of an individual.
And I postulated that in the Bible, if you go to Isaiah 45, when it came time for God's people to come out of Babylon and out of the confusion of the era they were judged, he raised up a secular ruler and said, Thus says the Lord to my anointed, Cyrus. And he raises up a foreigner, a Persian, and it says in Isaiah 45, and he did it for his people's sake, though he does not know me.
So the whole idea that we have to have a card-carrying evangelical represent us may not be the historical reality of what God does to solve a problem.
With Hunter, the amazing thing to me isn't the depravity of his condition.
My concern is people, particularly Christians that are kind of like shallow in this stuff, will go, oh, it's terrible.
I don't want to talk about that. He has a problem.
Yes, he has a problem.
The real problem is why did his father know he had a problem And had him going to Russia and to China and doing business deals.
If the kid has a drug problem, the last thing you want to do is give him untold amounts of access to money and influence, unless it's not a judgment issue, which would be bad.
If Biden didn't understand that you don't take your kid with you and infuse him into global affairs when he's an addict, Then if it's not an issue of bad judgment, it's an issue of total corruption because he knew he had a problem.
He was hoping he was managing it because he benefited from his son's corruption.
That's the other theory.
And we don't even want to go into how come the FBI had this for a year and didn't do anything with it.
This to me is the most shocking thing that you could have that kind of information and it wasn't at least surfacing somewhere.
So you've got this real systemic conspiracy, in my opinion, of suppressing truth that can support Trump and exploiting anything that can destabilize his chances of getting elected in the FBI. But that's my opinion.
Well, thank you very much.
Very profound.
I appreciate that greatly.
I also have been thinking, in fact, my next question was going to be about Cyrus the Great because the I see in 2016, I remember attending the first meeting with the evangelicals.
It was held in a New York hotel.
And you gentlemen remember that as well.
And Donald Trump answered questions that Tony Perkins asked him.
And he was very direct, I think, and very clear.
But the story of, at that time I wrote, was asked to write by some of the evangelical leaders a piece that We published and was circulated, and the piece was about a sermon that one of the ministers was giving on the theme, would you have voted for Cyrus the Great?
And the whole issue was that this is the person God chose, not, you know, of the Jewish faith, not a fairly ruthless leader, Persian, But yet got the Jewish people out of the Babylonian captivity and gave them the wherewithal to build the second temple.
And the point is that, you know, of that story is Donald Trump may not have lived a perfect life.
He may do tweets that we object to.
He may offend people in various ways he speaks or acts.
But the point is, I'm moved by seeing him actually be the first president to move Our embassy to Jerusalem, which I take is biblical and its significance.
The first to bring about an historic...
No one ever... Whoever thought we'd get an agreement in the Middle East without the Palestinians agreeing to it.
And here we have the UAE and Bahrain agreeing that they're going to accept the Jewish state sovereignty.
That's, I mean, unheard of.
So, Dr.
Kubal, what do you think of these issues?
Well, you know, sorry to not analyze the past, but we're in this moment, and you've got a guy whose personality may rub you wrong, or you got a guy whose policies are unbiblical and will undo this nation.
There has never been an election in the history of our country that has been more clear what the opposites are.
And Christians, we've got to wake up to this fact.
I mean, if the guy bugs you because of what he tweets, yeah, I get that.
I mean, there's so many reasons why we could not like him.
But his policies, it's about his policies.
On the other side of the ticket, you've got the most liberal senator in the Senate who's the vice president candidate.
And then you've got former Vice President Biden.
Clearly liberal, anti-God agenda.
Could not be more clear, people, and we've got to wake up.
Dr. Garlow?
Well, it's intriguing you use the example of moving the embassy.
We had president after president after president, both Democrat and Republican before them, promise to move the embassy, say they would, ran on those campaign promises, and violate them.
They lied to the American people.
And yet the one person they want to accuse of not having character is the president, is Donald Trump, who ran on a number of issues and is checking them off, honoring his word more than I've ever seen anybody in political life, national political life.
I've been following politics every day since August the 13th of my ninth year on this earth.
So that's a long time because I'm not a young guy and I've never seen a national figure Demonstrate the character of keeping his promises in the way Donald Trump has.
Can I defend every tweet? Of course not.
Can I defend every word?
No, I would not.
But I sure would defend him at the point he said he would do something and he honored it at the same time.
One of my friends who meets with him every week and knows him well said this to me.
He really wants to do what is right.
I've not been with him, Dr.
Corsi, as many times as you have by any stretch.
I've been with him, I think, five or six or seven times, a number of those times in the White House.
And in the small meeting, about 25, 30, 40 or so of us, I have found a guy who wants to do what is right.
And I found, let me give you an example of his forthrightness that was really, it was jolting, because he only said what all of us would have felt.
On the morning, this last February, of the prayer breakfast, the National Prayer Breakfast, he was not told that as he was coming there, until he got there, that Nancy Pelosi was sitting up there.
The day before he had survived the impeachment attempt, and he was acquitted, And so the headlines that day was acquitted.
So as he walked in, he held that up.
But they had Nancy Pelosi before him, reading scripture, and then had a guy talk about how you got to forgive people.
Right before they set him up, I thought it was completely inappropriate and tricked him.
I would be bummed if I was put in that environment that particular way and not warned.
And he got up after the guy and said, oh, you gotta forgive, you gotta forgive, forgive.
Now, that's true. You do have to forgive.
We all have to. We understand.
We understand scripturally.
But they threw him into that environment.
And he stood there and he said, you know, And it was an unfiltered moment.
I appreciated the sincerity of this guy struggling with his faith.
And he says, you know, I don't know if I agree with that.
And there was a nervous giggle across the audience.
Probably members of you were there.
And he says, well, you know, it's really hard.
I'm trying. It's just hard.
Now, there was, he was led to Christ by Paula White probably about 14 years ago.
And has been discipled along the way.
But this was a guy showing the struggles that every one of us feel.
He was willing to say what the rest of us would feel in that moment.
I have found him to be a man who desires to do the right thing.
Does he always do it the way I'd like him to?
Not exactly.
But you go through his policies, his polity, and it's stunning.
I never thought anybody could excel beyond what Reagan accomplished.
But we've seen that.
Dr. Wallinow? You know, you started off with the Cyrus comment.
So I kind of helped to start that analogy back in 2015.
And I might have heard it from one other person, but when I saw it in the Bible, I just ran with it.
And I think I sold 100,000 books right before the election on God's chaos candidate.
And I wrote in the first chapter that Donald Trump is God's Cyrus.
And I doubled down on that before the election because I felt then that the, in a sense, God in choosing, we almost apologize for his tweets and his tweets.
Who cares about his tweets?
We are a Christian community that doesn't care while abortions are happening, doesn't care while gay marriage takes over, doesn't care while our children Are being indoctrinated in school.
Doesn't care if there is problems in the police department, we didn't raise them.
And if there's a defense made that most police are good, we don't even defend them.
And so I say that Donald Trump's tweets are on the moral continuum of heavenly outrage, not that big a deal in heaven.
And for all I know, God likes him that way.
Because even that moment at the prayer breakfast, I thought was refreshingly candid and maybe even perceptive.
Because what he was thinking is all Christians have to forgive if they love people.
I can show you numerous instances where Paul goes and says, when I saw Peter, I rebuked him to his face.
He didn't say I had broke bread with him.
I had some bitterness. He rebuked him.
I think there's a time actually where we recreate a gospel that has no teeth in it.
And I think if somebody has been corrupt and sinister, and then here was Trump's problem.
He could see her putting on her Christian airs, and he's too congruent for that.
He doesn't feel very Christian right now, and he admits it to thousands of people, because he's stirred up by the hypocrisy of all this piety on a platform, and he's saying, you just tried to destroy me, and you know what you did wasn't right.
That was what he was saying, and I actually think he was right.
It's a couple of thoughts I have.
That'll be my next question.
When Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple, He wasn't particularly polite.
And the indignation, the anger was clearly there.
And I also, we talk about the finding of this laptop is almost a miracle.
Another miracle that I've been reflecting on, and that is that Ruth Bader Ginsburg died just in time for a new Supreme Court justice.
And here we get Amy Coney Barrett Who certainly was outstanding in her confirmation hearings, clearly a Christian woman, clearly a woman who understands abortion for the murder it is.
And I kind of reflected, here's Ruth Bader Ginsburg getting to face judgment, and I'm sure God would have all those millions of babies whose lives were cut short by abortions.
Give their testimony against her in that moment.
And here we have this godly woman coming on saying, you know, that maybe she has to follow legal precedent and the like, but you can tell where her heart is and questioning whether there is this right to privacy that was invented in order to produce Roe v.
Waves. So, Dr.
Kubel, what are your thoughts on this?
Well, one of the things that I admire most about Judge Coney Barrett is the fact that she's an expert in natural law.
Now, we know that our nation was founded on natural law.
Our nation was not founded on case law.
That only entered into our legal system in the 1850s or 60s or whatever it was.
At that point in time, the The plummet line was moved from the god of nature to the previous case.
And if you know, if you take something that is supposed to be, you know, one pound and you change it over time, you know, and you don't use the original source in order to be that measure of what a pound is, that eventually a pound will weigh whatever.
And that's what we've got in our legal system.
Well, Judge Amy Coney Barrett studied natural law, and she's an expert in that.
We need a contextualist, a person that believes, understands, and rules the Constitution the way our founders meant it to and the way the people in the colonial times understood it.
That's what we need.
If we progressively get further and further down the road utilizing case law in order to change the meaning of laws, then we're going to just get further and further into a moral quagmire in our nation.
And I believe that Judge Amy Coney Barrett understands how to rule with the natural law mindset in this case law environment.
I think that's absolutely critical.
Understanding. I'm praying that she will be confirmed.
I believe she will be.
Dr. Garlow? He was elected for the very thing he did.
Evangelicals came out to the tune of 81%.
Nobody anticipated that high for the reason of bringing an end to Roe v.
Wade through the Supreme Court.
He honored his word once again.
He could not have gotten a better person.
I think it must be really hard to be a left wing liberal progressive.
It must be really painful.
I don't know how you sleep at night.
To be so dishonest that you want the Constitution to say whatever you want it to say.
It must be really hard to be a left wing liberal progressive.
Knowing Roe v. Wade is not in the Constitution.
Penumbra doesn't exist.
They invented the word.
They had to look for a shadow.
It must be hard to be a left-wing liberal, progressive, and to know you're that dishonest.
It must be hard to be a liberal and know that Obergefell isn't in the Constitution.
It isn't there.
They created it.
Donald Trump actually believes the words have meaning.
And so does everybody else, so long as it applies to them.
If the people, these left-wing liberals who don't want the Constitution in any way they want to, if their mortgage company were to call them today and said, hey, we know you owe only $100,000 left on your house.
We think you owe $250,000.
They would get very upset about legality and the meaning of words.
And yet they'll turn right around the Constitution and with a straight face, want it and make it to say anything they want to.
It must be really hard to be a left-wing liberal progressive.
Dr. Walno? Yeah, you know, the, uh, I have, uh, I got Episcopalian.
I grew up Episcopalian and I found out my father actually was half Jewish after, uh, we had a conversation.
And so I've got actually family in Israel.
What strikes me as particularly interesting in a cosmic sort of way is Ruth Ginsburg passes away on Rosh Hashanah, which is the beginning of the new year on the Jewish calendar.
And Judge Barrett goes in, is stepping into her new role just as Yom Kippur is announced.
I just say this because for those of you that are watching this broadcast, It is as though God himself, I believe, remember this, Donald Trump has stood with Israel in a unique way, the Golan Heights included, the Tel Aviv move, plus the peace, taking out Soleimani, huge! I mean, I talked to my Israeli intelligence, they just, their eyes lit up, I said, was that a big deal?
They said, a big deal? Can you imagine another president making that decision?
Only Donald Trump can make that kind of decision.
And for that reason, there's peace in the Middle East.
Believe me, in the Middle East, they understand when you've got a leader like that, well, you're going to treat him a little differently than a philosophic, you know, senator or something like that.
So I think that Donald Trump is exactly the right leadership that we need right now in this moment.
And it's just a final thought on this thing going back in history.
Netanyahu is the one that claimed that Trump was like Cyrus.
When you get that validation from the prime minister, twice, by the way, he said that.
That's kind of interesting.
But there's three things that characterize Cyrus's reign.
And I pray to God that we have four more years of it.
But Cyrus in a cuneiform was revealed as saying three things about his duration as a leader.
That he had restored the houses of worship.
For all of the different religions, but particularly the people of God in Jerusalem, that he had produced a period of flourishing, which was economic benefit, and that he had eradicated terror, and the word terror was used.
I will say this, the three things That you can expect to see when a man like that is called into office and for one reason or another, he's not in place.
You're going to see persecution of the houses of worship.
You're going to see economic devastation and you will see a resurgence of terrorism, which we have not had noticed during his period of time as president.
Watch Islamic terror begin to make a comeback without that kind of a leader in office.
I'm going to come back to each of you for a minute with a concluding comment.
Dr. Graves, listening again, what are your thoughts at this point?
Well, I think that, first of all, Donald Trump is not a politician.
He's a businessman.
And he knows how to get things done.
And I think that he has made it a point to basically make a business deal with the American people.
And it's a reflection of his own character.
He stands by his word.
And I think that that's why he has actually come forth and followed through with his campaign promises.
Not just for everybody else, but for his own character.
To say, I did promise this.
I did make the American people a deal.
And I'm carrying through with it.
And I think that that's very important.
And I think that he will continue to do so.
And I think that we need to look at that and see what he has done.
Look what Vice President Biden did during his time of office.
There is such a drastic comparison to the two.
And you are willfully blind As Dr.
Cabal said, you are willfully blind if you think otherwise.
Thank you very much for putting this together, Dr.
Graves. Craig, you've been listening in the background.
Do you want to make a couple comments?
I'm sure you fought the demons who've been trying to put this broadcast down, and you've done a great job.
Kind of finding it right now.
We have lost one of our participants, but that's okay.
Yes, there is absolutely no doubt that this is darkness versus the light.
All the way across the spectrum, everything that's been happening.
And welcome back.
Now we've got our lost participant back.
And so, bottom line is, there is absolutely no doubt that Satan's on the march, whether you believe in him or not.
Look at it this way.
Let's say there is no Satan.
But if Satan were to design a plan for 2020, how would it be any different from what you've seen?
This is darkness versus light.
We need to stay in the light, stay united, and stay strong.
Not only vote in President Trump, but this time around, you've got to go Republican all the way down the ticket, and you've got to get the Republicans back in control of the House of Representatives, take the gavel away from Nancy, and give it to somebody that cares about the Americans first.
Dr. Corsi. Thank you, Craig.
And Dr.
Cabal, would you like to make some concluding comments?
If the destiny of this nation in God's heart was over, why would we see what we see?
Why would we see the evil come against this administration, this president, to tear down this nation?
If there were no more plans and purposes in God's heart for this nation, why would we see the gates of hell opening as they are in ways we've never imagined?
Pandemic, racism, you name it, the list goes on.
Why in the world would we be seeing that?
The fact of the matter is, in God's heart, there are many more things that God wants to use this nation for.
His plans and his destiny for this nation are not over.
And we've got to fight for it.
We're about ready to see a turnaround.
We've got to be on our knees praying, and we've got to be on our hands and feet, and we've got to be acting and voting in this day and age.
Thank you. Dr.
Garlow? The intensity of Trump voters is around the 81% mark.
The intensity of Biden voters is at 43%.
I've actually never met a person for Joe Biden for president.
I've met people who are anti-Donald Trump, but I've yet to find somebody who's excited about Joe Biden being president.
Why is it stacked up that way?
The answer is in policy.
Policy matters.
One is following a biblical pattern.
Even sometimes when Donald Trump does not seem to even know necessarily that Bible pattern, he ends up following it.
He's intuitively led in some very, very good ways, some remarkable ways.
Unfortunately, 62% of Americans are afraid to speak their minds on these issues because they know they'll be bullied or intimidated.
One of the reasons Donald Trump is going to win this election is because of that bullying and that intimidation.
It's taking a toll on people.
They don't want to live that way anymore.
They used to be able to discuss items.
They can't anymore.
Why? Because the left has gone so berserk that people can get off Facebook, they get off Twitter, they back away.
So consequently, the factor of bullied Trump voters who in polls won't say that, we're going to have a swing somewhere four to six percent.
We've experienced the same thing over marriage in California.
We did analysis across America and roughly around six percent of people who said they were for same-sex marriage were not, but they were afraid to say they were for one man one woman marriage.
On the day of the election here in 2008 we were dead tight.
We knew we'd won it and we won it 52.3 percent that day.
Won it by a margin of 4.6 points and Donald Trump will win the election.
He's going to win it in part Because the radical left has been so irrational, so filled with hatred.
It's driven people to vote for Donald Trump who would not vote for him even otherwise, because they've seen what's happening.
And the issue is bigger than Donald Trump.
I don't know whether he knows this.
I don't grasp it. We know it.
But this is not Republican versus Democrat.
That ended a long time ago.
The Democrats tried to save us from socialism in 1944 and did a good job when they got Henry Wallace out and Harry Truman in as the vice president.
They saved us from socialism, but not anymore.
In 1968 through 1972, that volatile period with bombings, riots in the street, Democrats and Republicans were jointly concerned about law and order.
Not anymore. It's just the Republicans.
And so people have been driven towards truth and righteousness because this is not Republican versus Democrat anymore.
Not right versus left.
It's right versus wrong, and it's good versus evil.
I agree. I think that's profound.
Thank you very much. Dr.
Walno? Amen.
I love what you guys are saying. I think Americans, we have a tendency to be a bit narcissistic about our role in destiny.
It's not just about America, it's about the world order.
America goes down, the entire world order shifts.
So that's why the intensity of the warfare is so strong over what happens right now because it's not just about us, it's about the world.
And I think that God is going to intervene with mercy on us.
It'll be very interesting to see the Brexit phenomenon, which, as you remember, wasn't getting honest polling because people didn't want to say what they were going to do because they were afraid of getting punished for their opinions.
But then there's a landslide that happens.
I think that a lot of Americans are going to be in that category where they're not telling people what they're going to do, but they're very clear what they're going to do.
They just don't want to get persecuted for doing it.
The challenge is going to be the ballots, which is the classic.
Because the left has no shame, it will force ballots to be servicing.
Pennsylvania, particularly, it's going to be an interesting battle.
But that's where the courts come in, and that's where the providence of God is already gone before what's happening next.
But I just got one verse I want to share with you.
We're a bunch of Christians talking.
I want to give us a Bible verse here.
I've been asking the Lord about how can these people say what they say, knowing like, you know, 50 people in the intelligence community are saying that the Biden hard drive is Russian disinformation.
How can you do that in the intelligence community?
You could verify this faster than we can.
But there's a verse that says evil men and imposters will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived.
And here's the danger I think that on the left they don't think about.
They start off just purely lying for political gain.
Then they begin to believe the lie that they're saying.
And part of the judgment that happens is God gives people over to delusion.
So what you have are people that are passionately convinced of what they know is a lie, now thinking the lie is true.
And that kind of a psychological disorder, you want to keep away from government.
Thank you. It's been a great discussion altogether.
I'm very honored to pull it together.
Dr. Raves, did you have something?
Yes. I just want to say something to those who might be looking at this who won't vote or who decided that they don't want to vote or some evangelicals who will not actually back our president.
I want to say that watchmen on the wall, there is some very pointed scripture about that and pointed scripture that when danger is seen and there are watchmen on the wall and they do not warn the people Then the blood of the people is on their hands just as much.
And pastors, priests, evangelicals, you are the watchman on the wall.
You are responsible for making it very clear what is right and what is wrong in God's eyes.
You are to be the ones that are to keep the knowledge of God Alive within a society.
And remember, if you are basing your judgment on Donald Trump on his tweets, he does not govern with his tweets.
He governs with his policies.
And those have stood strong for the Word of God and what God actually has said Makes a society that is safe and for all people, not just certain groups.
And so I urge you, you vote and then you tell your parishioners to do the same.
I think that's very important.
Thank you. I want to conclude by a couple of thoughts I've had.
First of all, I've said repeatedly about Donald Trump over the years that he always looks like he's going to lose until just before he wins.
And I think we're going to see that again.
And also, in the end, God always wins.
We must keep that in mind.
Prayer is extremely important at this point.
And if we continue to pray, God will hear our prayers and repent that we've allowed the country to get to this point, that we've allowed the godless to persist, that we've allowed the left to go as insane as it's gone, but in God's wisdom, it's now manifest.
We see the left for what it is.
The Democratic Party can no longer Argue that it's not a socialist or communist party.
The manifestations of the violence in the streets.
All this will stop if you just elect Joe Biden.
No, it'll just intensify.
Didn't stop with tearing down the Confederate statues.
And it won't stop until the society is destroyed.
But the ultimate arbiter here is God.
And in the end, God always wins.
It's been an honor to do this with you, gentlemen.
And Carla Dean, thank you for putting it together.
Craig, thank you for producing it.
God bless all for watching, and we'll be having this up on social media and getting it to all the participants so they can also put it up on social media.
God bless everyone who's been with us today, and let's pray for our nation.
Let's pray for Donald Trump.
Thank you. God bless.
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