Pastor Jim Bakker welcomes Michael Snyder, who—after three years bedridden—claims divine health restoration while Snyder’s family thrives in the mountains. They discuss Iran’s assassination threats against Trump, tied to his 2025 statement opposing protester killings, which they say provoked Tehran’s crackdown (thousands to tens of thousands dead). U.S. military deployments, including B-2 bombers to Diego Garcia and carrier strike groups, hint at potential airstrikes demanding regime collapse, risking an "apocalyptic" retaliation against Gulf bases or Israeli cities. Snyder dismisses Ezekiel 38’s Gog and Magog as post-millennial, clashing with other prophecy teachers, while Bakker ties current wars, earthquakes (California, New Madrid), and volcanic activity to biblical end-times warnings. Both pivot to health, endorsing Dulcia as a sugar-free alternative, before urging listeners to reject false doctrines and trust Jesus amid escalating global chaos. [Automatically generated summary]
And now, please welcome your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
I'm glad to be back with you again today.
And I'm out of bed.
I've been in bed for about three years.
And God is restoring me.
And I've been talking to God for about three years, so I'm full of it.
I got a lot to preach.
So I'm so thrilled today that though they have Michael Snyder back with us today, one of the great, great prophets of this hour.
Michael, how are you doing?
How is your family?
I'm doing well.
My wife and children are doing great.
And we're enjoying life up here in the mountains in the middle of nowhere.
So we've been doing really well.
But like you, Pastor Jim, I've started to take better care of my health.
I've gone to a low sugar diet.
You know, before we even talked about it on the last show, and you told that, explained how you've done it.
But so I'm trying to get healthier.
I'm so glad to see that you're healthier.
We need to be healthy in these last days, Pastor Jim.
Well, four years ago, as I told you yesterday, the doctor told me I'd be on these dialysis in weeks.
And I said, no.
And Laurie said to the doctor, he's not going on dialysis.
She said, you don't know this man.
He's determined.
And you are.
This is years later.
Yeah.
And I just went to his amen.
He says, I'll never have to go on dialysis.
Wow.
Wow.
And he said, my kindness are doing good for, I mean, 86.
I'm not dead.
That's my new song.
Jim Baker's not dead.
He's still alive.
There you go.
I know it now.
I wish my girls were here.
Where are they?
Yeah, the Copeland says.
Oh, they're probably praying for you.
I could have them sing, Jim's not dead.
He's still alive.
Oh, boy.
Oh, Michael, we're thrilled to have you here today.
And stay healthy, wealthy, and wise.
But I know you're in the mountains there.
Listen to me.
They just killed one of the great Christian leaders, Charlie Kirk.
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They assassinated him in front of thousands of people.
Did you see that, Mondo?
Millions.
When you add social media, the world witnessed the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
Nebulo Jimenez?
Yeah, he was killed instantly.
And the blood discussion, I saw it.
Yeah.
And it is a horrible thing.
And many of them were happy.
Yeah.
And when you look at the article that Michael Snyder put out, let me read it to you.
And Michael, maybe you can comment more about this.
But this is what Michael writes.
Have you heard about what Iran is threatening to do next?
It includes killing President Trump.
Can you comment on that?
Yeah, Iranian television broadcast an image of President Trump from the Butler, Pennsylvania, where he was almost assassinated.
And they warned that the bullet won't miss next time.
Now, we need to take this threat from the Iranians seriously because they actually did dispatch an individual to kill President Trump.
Was apprehended a couple of years ago by U.S. authorities and the Justice Department has charged him and so forth.
But so the Iranians in the past did send someone, an assassin, to kill President Trump in the past.
Now they're threatening to do it again.
Now, why are the Iranians so angry?
Well, it's because of this whole situation in the Middle East.
President Trump said to the Iranians, don't kill the protesters.
Of course, what did the Iranians do?
They shut down the internet and they started killing the protesters.
You know, as we discussed on the last show, everyone agrees thousands are dead.
It might be tens of thousands, like CBS News is saying it might be.
But we really don't know because we can't get all the information out of Iran because of the internet has been shut down.
But right now, the USS Theodore Roosevelt is being sent toward Iran.
The USS Abraham Lincoln, that's one to watch, but it's being sent from the South China Sea toward the Middle East along with its escorts, along with guided missile destroyers.
We've got B-2 bombers that have been deployed to Diego, Garcia, just like before, you know, during the 12-day war when we bombed Iran's nuclear facilities.
We've got B-2 bombers on Diego Garcia.
So we've got, we're positioning air assets to strike, potentially strike Iran.
Now, by the time this airs, people may know whether it's happened or not.
There seems to be indecision about whether it'll happen or not, or speculation.
But President Trump has warned, hey, if you keep killing protesters, and now they're talking about executing protesters by hanging them, the Iranians, that President Trump is saying, hey, I might feel compelled to take action.
But U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham just came out and said, no, no, no, nothing could be farther from the truth.
This is still going to happen.
So there's uncertainty about whether it will happen immediately or not.
But units are being pre-positioned, put in position to strike Iran.
Now, NBC News is reporting that President Trump has told his generals, I don't want to do this unless I can be guaranteed that we will end the regime in Iran.
Essentially, we're going to decapitate the regime, bring it down.
The protesters will win, and the horrible tyrannical regime in Iran will be over and it'll be a quick victory.
That's what Trump wants.
So he doesn't want to do airstrikes unless he can get a guarantee that it will bring down the regime.
And of course, that's very difficult to guarantee.
But that's what NBC News is reporting.
Now, if we actually do this, if we go into Iran, and by the time this broadcast, it may have actually happened, we'll see.
But if we do this, the Iranians have promised, and this is another threat from the Iranians, they're threatening to hit U.S. bases throughout the Middle East, whether it's in Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, elsewhere.
And so those countries are concerned, hey, missiles could be, Iranian missiles could soon be falling on our territories.
And then the Iranians have also threatened to hit Israeli cities.
Now, if Iran, if Iran fires missiles at Israeli cities, the Israelis will fire back and then it will be on.
We'll be looking at an apocalyptic showdown in the Middle East, which I believe would ultimately be much worse than the 12-day war that we saw in the middle of 2025.
And so the stage has been set for potentially the grand finale of this great Middle East war, which I warned about on your show and in my books way ahead of time as one of the big wars of the end times.
So we talked about it on the Jim Baker show way ahead of time that it was coming.
Then it came.
You know, Hamas went into Israel.
Israel sent troops into the Gaza Strip.
which Henry Gruer said that would be a sign that the Great Middle East war has begun.
And that's exactly what happened.
And since that time, for the last several years, this Middle East war, we've seen constant fighting on different fronts, whether it's Hezbollah and Lebanon, whether it's Gaza, whether it's the Houthis, of course, Iran.
And now it looks like we're building up to the grand finale here with Iran.
But it's been this great Middle East end times war, which, of course, Jesus told us in Matthew 24, there will be wars and rumors of wars thanks to the internet.
We've got rumors of wars 24 hours a day, more rumors of wars than we've ever seen before in all of human history.
And, you know, of course, war right now, more than half of the nations on the entire planet are either engaged in war or they are funding war.
And I believe it's going to greatly escalate this year.
And I know I've said a lot, but the bottom line is we're there, wars and rumors of wars.
We are in that element of the end times right now.
So this is the final showdown with Iran spoken of in scripture, do you think?
So I've been talking about this way ahead of time that we're going to see this war in the Middle East.
We're going to see this final showdown with Iran.
And, you know, and they're talking about regime change in Iran.
They're talking about bringing it down.
That's what the millions of protesters in Iran want.
If Trump goes in with the military, he's saying that's what he wants.
And Trump has come out and he's publicly backed the protesters saying, take over your institutions.
In a social media post, Trump is publicly backing regime change in Iran.
So the Iranians know that, hey, they're coming after us.
They want the regime to fall.
This is a battle for all the marbles.
So when you back a dangerous predator into a corner and their survival is threatened, that's when they're most dangerous.
So what could Iran do?
Could they use biological weapons potentially?
Could they use chemical weapons potentially?
Do they have access to biological weapons?
I mean, biological or dirty bombs or even a nuclear weapon.
You know, a lot of people say no.
A lot of people are unsure.
But if Iran's backed into a corner and feel like they're fighting for survival, they're likely to do anything.
So I think we're moving into the most dangerous time that any of us have seen in the Middle East in our entire lifetimes.
There's a line that President Trump said Iran started to cross the U.S. red lines.
And the next move in the next 48 hours, 72 hours could be the determined factor of what we'll see next with Iran and the Middle East.
This is something, Michael, you mentioned many times that the Middle East war is what we're seeing take place.
The end times are here.
Absolutely.
And why do recent threats from Iran against U.S. bases connect with Ezekiel 38 and 39, Gog and Magog?
Well, the Iranians are threatening U.S. bases.
They're saying, if we're hit, we're going to hit those bases all over the place.
And the U.S. has a lot of bases in the Middle East.
And now if they do that and US soldiers start dying and we see images on television of US soldiers that are in body bags or US soldiers that are bleeding, you know, or if say a U.S. aircraft carrier gets hit, Iran has sunburned missiles from China and those U.S. aircraft carriers are big juicy targets.
If we see a U.S. aircraft carrier burning on television, you know, the American people will be outraged.
I mean, once we bomb Iran, we will be at war with Iran.
And once Iran sends missiles at U.S. bases and then at Israeli cities, Israel will be at war with Iran.
So everything's building up potentially.
We'll see if it's now or a little bit later, but it's building up to this great final showdown with Iran, kind of the final battle, it looks like, you know, and kind of the conclusion of this great Middle East war, which has been going on for years that I've been talking about for ages, way before this on the Jim Baker show and in my books.
But now the second part of your question, Pastor Jim, Ezekiel 38 and 39.
A lot of people are saying, well, hold on a second.
Iran has to survive because they have to be part of Ezekiel 38 and 39.
Now, and this has come up before on the show, but let me give a quick answer to that because I have a little bit of a different perspective on Ezekiel 38 and 39 than other Bible prophecy teachers do.
And if you disagree with me, that's okay.
We all love one another, right?
And sometimes we disagree on particular elements of scripture.
But if you look in Revelation chapter 20, it tells us that a great army, and the words Gog and Magog are specifically used in Revelation chapter 20 to identify with this great army.
It comes, it surrounds the city of God, Jerusalem, and fire falls from heaven and destroys them all, right?
Now in Ezekiel 38 and 39, we see a great movie specifically identified with Gog and Magog comes from the north, surrounds the city of Jerusalem, and fire falls down out of heaven and destroys them.
Okay, the exact same thing happening in then and in Revelation chapter 20.
So to me, the book of Revelation tells us when Ezekiel 38 and 39 will happen.
Now, other Bible prophecy teachers say, oh, but yeah, okay, Michael, yeah, that's a battle of Gog and Magog, but there's another one before the millennium.
Okay.
But the burden is on them to prove that.
But it's just like the teachers that say, oh, Michael, you know, when I show them, hey, look, Matthew 24, it says the rapture is after the tribulation of those days very clearly.
But they say there's another rapture before the tribulation, right?
So to me, I take the book of Revelation as my outline, and that's my perspective on Ezekiel 38 and 39.
It tells us exactly when the Battle of Gog and Magog is going to be.
But many Bible prophecy teachers say that there's going to be another Battle of Gog and Magog, just like they say there's going to be another rapture before the tribulation.
And that's okay.
We disagree on these things, but that's my perspective on it.
I'm glad you're sharing that because we've got to have our wisdom on the word of God.
We'll be right back after this special message.
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Michael, let's go on.
What biblical signs should believe wash in the Middle East situation intensified?
What do we need to watch for the coming of the Lord?
Yeah, well, in Matthew 24, it says there will be wars and rumors of wars.
And Revelation chapter 6 talks about the writing of the red horse, right, Pastor Jim?
You've been talking about the red horse for many years.
And the red horse brings what?
Red horse brings war.
And I believe we're leading up to that.
We're watching for the riding of the red horse.
And so this thing in the Middle East, I believe as we build up to the grand finale, could be connected to Revelation chapter 6 and the writing of the red horse potentially.
So let's watch for that.
That's something we're watching.
We're seeing, is this going to be the time?
Is something going to happen?
Revelation chapter 6 talks about peace being taken from the earth.
Something really dramatic happening.
So we're going to watch the Middle East.
We're going to watch Iran to see if something really dramatic happens, something bigger than the 12-day war that happened in the middle of 2025.
Have we arrived?
Are we at that time?
Are we at Revelation chapter 6, the writing of the Red Horse?
Is that coming?
Is that about to happen?
These are questions that I'm asking.
Other people are asking as we're watching the Middle East.
We're watching Iran right now.
We're watching for something dramatic to happen.
Is it going to be now?
Is it going to be later?
There's kind of some uncertainty at the moment, but everyone can feel things are building up.
It's building up to a crescendo.
Things with Iran are really, really tense.
So that's what we're watching for, Pastor Jim.
I believe this thing with Iran has the potential to be the biggest news story that we have seen.
And it's the biggest news story in the middle because Israel and Iran have been heading for this showdown ever since 1979.
And then I wrote years ago, there's going to be this big showdown between Israel and Iran.
Then we had the 12-day war last year.
It started, then it was put on pause.
And now everything's building up to this final chapter.
So let's see what's happened, Pastor Jim.
But we are literally watching Bible prophecy unfold right in front of our eyes.
Yes.
One of my assistants came up to me a few hours ago and just said, the website's full.
Yeah.
People calling for peace and safety.
And Michael, what does the Bible say when they call peace and safety?
It's sudden destruction.
We are in the end times and people don't want to face that.
No.
But Jesus is the only answer.
And I want people to hold on to Jesus.
There's lies all over the place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of churches are preaching that everybody's going to heaven.
Nobody's going to go to hell.
That's not the Bible.
Why did Jesus die on the cross?
Absolutely.
We've got to stick with the Bible.
Don't believe all these lies.
Everybody's not going to heaven.
Jesus on the cross to save us.
He said if we'd accept him, we could have everlasting life.
And I want you to go to heaven.
I want you to hold on to Jesus.
Boy, Mondo, there's a lot of false doctrine going on.
Those are what I've learned throughout the years as a student of the word, that you look for patterns and markers.
Now, you really are a student of the word.
Absolutely.
Outside of that, don't call me an expert.
Don't make me an expert.
No, you may not be an expert, but boy, I've been with you 30 years.
That's a long time.
And you've grown in God.
Yes.
You have more knowledge than most people.
You know, it's paying attention to people like you, Michael Snyder and Joseph Z and others, and bringing all that information and bringing the Bible and says, what does the Bible say?
Study yourself approve.
And I want to tell you something.
I want to tell people, we are going to bring these teachers and prophets on this program.
And the king is coming.
If you don't know it, read your Bible.
I dare you to read your Revelation.
I know the Revelation makes people nervous, but it's happening.
You know, Michael, do you see that the book of Revelation has begun to take place?
Yes, Pastor Jim.
For many years, you know, we've been encouraging people to store up food and supplies and all these things.
Now we're rapidly getting to the point where you're going to need those things.
You'll soon need those things because the events of the book of Revelation, all the elements of the perfect storm.
On the last show, we talked about civil unrest.
On this show, we've talked about wars and rumors of wars.
Also, Jesus said there would be earthquakes.
Today, I read about a swarm of 44 earthquakes in Southern California where the Daily Mail says the land is starting to tear apart.
There's going to be a terrible earthquake in California.
There's going to be a terrible earthquake along the New Madrid fault zone.
We've seen so many earthquakes along the New Madrid and along the Pacific Ring of Fire have been shaking like crazy over the past 12 months.
We're seeing dormant volcanoes all over the globe roaring to life.
So we're seeing these natural disasters come about.
Every element of the last days is coming together right now.
Every element of the perfect storm is playing out right in front of our eyes.
People like John Paul Jackson, who passed away years ago, but he was on your show.
He warned about the things he warned about are happening now.
So many of the things that people have been warning about and having supernatural visitations about for decades are taking place.
It's all coming together now in 2026.
We need to be on high alert, Pastor Jim, but much of the church is sleeping.
You know, I've been in bed for a long time and God's been speaking to me.
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And I told you about that one time when I went, I had a time in heaven and they were having their own light sing, but it lasted three days.
Wow.
And nobody cared.
They don't have to sleep in heaven.
That's good.
And they were singing and they were singing old songs and new songs.
They were saying them all.
I mean, stuff that you would know and I know.
Yeah.
And I scare a lot of people, I guess.
But I've been with Jesus for three years and praying all the time.
And he showed me things.
And I had this time in heaven.
And I shouldn't say this again, probably, but even Elvis Presley was there.
I know that shocks a lot of people, but he was sane at this all night.
I call him all night.
I got such things.
But this lasted three days, so it's more than all night.
And nobody was tired, and everyone was sane.
It's so wonderful that there's no words to describe it.
But don't miss heaven.
It's the whole thing.
We don't have to put up with this earth forever.
And if you die, you're just going to go to be with the Lord.
So stay saved.
If you don't know Jesus, just ask him into your heart.
Well, Mondo, our time's gone again.
Yeah.
And Michael, you told me you're not eating a lot of sugar.
I like that.
I ate no sugar.
Now, if it's one gram of sugar in something, I'll eat it, but I don't even do that much.
Sugar is a killer.
Now, I'm not some food fanatic.
I'm just a guy who's had to deal with some problems.
And the reason I don't have to have dialysis is because I stopped eating sugar.
And a lot of even the artificial sugars are bad for you.
Did you know that?
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Oh, I know.
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I know.
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