The Jim Bakker Show with Mike Hammond and Lisa Hill Part 2
Jim Bakker and guests Mike Hammond, Lisa Hill (a former trauma nurse who met Bobby Kennedy in 2010 while researching food industry corruption), and Reverend Mondo de la Vega link Minnesota’s $9B fraud scandal and Somali immigration to biblical prophecy like Revelation’s "red horse," warning of cultural erosion and Sharia influence. Hill promotes Signal Relieve patches ($199 for three, including inserts) as a natural pain solution, citing thermography results and testimonials, while Bakker ties sales to ministry funding—though the FDA disclaims medical claims. Their argument: Christian values must combat deception, not rely on government, as they prepare a book on forgiveness with Bishop. [Automatically generated summary]
Today, our special guests are Mike Hammond and Lisa Hill.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, please welcome your hosts, pastors Jim and Lori Baker.
Hello, everybody.
We're so glad to see you again today.
And back with us, Mike Hammond.
And we have Lisa Hill, the number one saleswoman in the world.
Oh, bring us the most amazing products that so many people have used over the years, right, Lisa?
I mean, we have had, oh, like Cardio Miracle.
I call her the mayor of America.
The mayor?
I know.
You know why?
This lady knows everybody.
That's right.
If I need a favor, Lisa, I need a favor.
Introduce her a little bit more, Mondo.
Lisa is a former trauma nurse.
She works with, oh, I love this, with the Kennedy.
Can you talk about that?
Maha.
Yes, yes.
Talk about that for just a moment.
You know, make America healthy again.
I was Maha before there was Maha.
Yeah.
And, you know, promoting good, good, healthy eating habits.
And I met Bobby 14 years ago when I was on a quest for truth about, at that time, it was the vaccinations.
And all I can say is that he has never walked out of integrity, never walked out of wanting so much for America to be healthy.
And I believe God put him in a position right now to do so much good for our country.
And once we start unveiling how much our food industry has been poisoning us, everybody, they think they're in shock right now.
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Just wait a couple months.
Wow.
Because we're starting to rip the band-aids off.
So I'm on a couple committees and it's really, really fun to see the movement because there's nothing worse than being on a committee working somewhere and nothing's getting done.
But Lisa, she won't tell you this, but Lisa worked together with the amazing Ben Kinchlow.
And Ben Kinschlow was a oh man.
He was a staple.
I remember Ben sitting right there in front of that studio audience and wanting to see you.
Yeah.
And wanting to meet you, Dad, and wanting to talk to you just to find out that a few months later he went to be with the Lord.
But Lisa, you worked with him alongside of him.
This lady doesn't just bring products to the ministry, trusted products, by the way, but she's been around the block.
I want to say that in ministry.
And I thank God for you every day.
We talk almost every other day.
She loves you, by the way.
She always thinks about you.
And I want to tell you something.
We're just getting started.
We are.
Lisa.
Thank you so much.
Lisa, I want to talk to you for a minute.
Yes.
We have yesterday's show we had John.
Tell me what state do you live in right now?
Should I really tell you?
Yes.
Confess.
Minnesota.
We're praying for Minnesota.
They're not booing you.
They're just Minnesota.
Let me tell you.
I never heard my audience grown so bad when they found that you're living in the world.
Let me tell you in the news, right?
Two days ago, I could not go down the street because there were so many sirens.
There are so many police officers.
Our special, you know, Border Patrol and so on.
And so it doesn't just affect the inner city.
It affects all the way out.
I'm at Bobby.
How long have you lived in Lawrence?
12 months.
It'll be 10 years.
But I have a lot of connections there.
My mother was from Minnesota.
So I have a lot of people who are going to be able to do that.
I want to tell you something.
Do you know I lived in Minnesota for 10 years?
Yes, I remember that.
I went to North Central Bible College.
Yeah.
And this is, how long ago is it, Laurie?
Right, back in the 50s.
Yeah, back in 1995.
Wow, it's a long time.
A couple years ago.
But in the 1950s, Minnesota was a great state.
It was Scandinavians and farmers.
Yeah, right.
And they had the greatest department stores in the world.
They did, Macy's.
Oh, my.
That's right.
Big stores.
Yeah.
I was a bus boy in Bible college is how I got through school.
Amazing.
But we have the great designers and had great food.
It was a great place.
And Minnesota, something's happened to it.
Oh, yeah.
They're gone.
All the great stores are gone.
Well, downtown Minneapolis, you know, it used to be a lovely place to go with our clients.
And, you know, they had the most amazing restaurants.
Yes.
Jazz, little pubs with jazz and everything else.
And it's not like that anymore.
It's almost dead.
You go down there and there's very little, you know, and it's the excitement of Minneapolis is no longer there.
And I don't have much time, but I want to ask you, what in the world happened to Minnesota?
What's going on there?
Why are they turning against God?
Well, I mean, the enemy is everywhere, right?
He will use the willing.
And wasn't it the 1960s, the Lutheran Brotherhood started to immigrate, right?
The Somali immigrants over to our country, and they ended up, a lot of them in Minneapolis.
Well, what I can't understand, and this is a question for everybody, is when you go to a country, don't you, aren't you supposed to assimilate to that country?
We can't go to France.
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We can't go somewhere and we can start just bringing in all of our desires and our wants and our needs.
So Minnesota slowly has given way to this one set of belief systems.
And it's not the same that we believe in.
And therefore, sometimes there's complete disarray.
We don't even know how much of Sharia law is being actually is being practiced in Minnesota.
They want ICE to leave.
They want ICE to leave.
But look at who we voted.
It started.
And this is the thing that upsets me.
It starts at the grassroots level.
We as Americans have been lazy.
We haven't gone to been part of our school boards.
We haven't been part of our community, city councils.
We have to start there.
What have they done?
They have now infiltrated into all of our city governments.
So we're sitting there going, well, why is that happening?
Well, guess what, folks?
We have to step up.
We have to start taking accountability.
We have to start moving and we have to start having our voice.
But now we have a government, excuse me, a governor that some of the things that comes out of his mouth, I just, I can't believe it.
And I'm sorry, he's a human being and he has an everlasting soul, but my gracious, how is one set of people that came from another country running a state, Minnesota?
I don't understand that.
And my encounters, my personal encounters have been at times very, very disrespectful.
They don't honor us as Americans many times.
And it has been very disheartening.
I don't go out after 7 o'clock at night.
It's very sad.
What we've watched take place, I have to go back to Dr. E.V. Hill.
And Dr. E. V. Hill was in charge of South Central Los Angeles.
And I remember going down there with Pastor Tommy Barnett, and I heard this conversation being told.
He said, Pastor, I don't know what to do.
I don't understand the Hispanic community.
I don't understand the Latino community.
They're driving away the African-American community out from South Central of Los Angeles.
I don't know what to do.
I don't understand the culture.
I don't understand the language.
Pastor, I need help.
Now, Pastor Barnett, being a brilliant man of God, gave him a piece of wisdom that changed everything.
He said, Hire you a pastor that understands Spanish.
Meaning, hire a pastor that is Spanish-speaking pastor to start pastoring the community.
You see, what happens is that the church leaves when they don't understand culture.
And when you don't understand culture, the first thing that you do is, in order to change the environment, the morals, the values, you have to go back to what Great Britain did to the Bahamas.
The first thing they did was not change the way they eat.
They changed the language.
And if you change language, you change cultural behavior.
And if you change cultural behavior, you change the morals and the ethics of that community.
So, what is the first thing you need to do?
Understand the type of language that is being spoken.
If there's a church in Minnesota, listen, this is what you need to do.
Write this down.
Hire yourself a Somalian pastor that understands the language.
Wow, that's interesting.
Write that down.
That's great.
Because if you have a pastor that understands the culture, you're not going to be intimidated.
A lot of times we get this dysfunctional corruption because we don't communicate.
And communication, if you don't have it, is the breaking point of cultural environments that eventually starts affecting the morals and the values of America.
Now, America needs to step in, just like you said.
If you love this nation, if you love God and you love evangelizing, stop pouring your money to everything else that's not working and put it back into the church and do missions in the church so we can evangelize not just our communities, but evangelize the world with the gospel because that's the language that the church speaks.
And I want to tell you something.
You're dealing with a major fraud scandal over $9 billion in Minnesota.
Nobody knows where that money is, meaning that's your money.
That's my money.
Who's going to answer for that?
Yet, what we're watching, if you want to look at it through Bible prophecy, the Bible talks about a shaking is coming, and that doesn't stand has to be removed.
But prophetically speaking, we are in the middle of what I have heard and talked to a lot of Bible experts when it comes to the book of Revelation: that we are in the middle of the red horse writing.
Many people don't want to accept it, but you have to look at how Bible prophecy falls into place, into patterns, and those patterns have never changed throughout scripture.
And when you put them back into context, then you have to understand that the red horse looks the way it looks right now, not just in the environment of Minnesota, but you have to look at what's happening with China, what's happening with Venezuela, what's happening in Russia.
When you put all those markers together, it has to reflect the corruption that has been in politics in America.
We never wanted to deal with them, but when you add social media into the environment, people are sick and tired of being lied to.
So, what do you do?
God exposes the moment for what it is.
Now it's time for the church to step in with the truth.
The problem is that the church is not engaging.
We're disengaging.
We have to go back and do what Pastor Tommy Barnett told Dr. E. V. Hill: hire you a pastor that understands the culture that is being formed in the environment.
Otherwise, you're going to lose the church and you're going to lose the people.
And then you have a war within your own community.
And then, as a church, we don't know how to answer to that.
We are co-dependent on government to get us out of trouble.
Yeah.
Lisa, I want to talk to you more on another day.
Yeah.
But Minnesota is such a disappointment to me.
Well, of course, you have memories and roots there.
I lived there for two years and it had great churches.
Oh, lovely churches.
I mean, big churches, wonderful churches.
I spent over an hour on the telephone with one of the great prophets of the day.
And he told me that he believes that we have maybe two years before basically all hell breaks loose and the world.
And so Jesus is coming.
I don't know if you read the book of Revelation, but that's where we are.
And we need to be ready.
And we need to serve God.
And we can't serve the devil.
Bishop and I are writing a book right now about forgiveness.
And it says, if you don't forgive everyone, I have to forgive your sins.
I have to forgive your sin.
He says, God won't forgive you.
And that's such a good reminder.
Because that's so difficult for us to do in the flesh.
It is.
That's what we have to ask our Father.
I'm going to get Bishop to come back next week probably and talk more about the Bible.
It's hard to expect.
It's hard to expect God to forgive us if we're not willing to let go of that stuff, right?
And when I think of America, I'm glad to have you here.
You believe in forgiveness.
I know you do because you are so kind to me.
You're kind to all the people I know.
Yes.
And you built a massive business.
Well, I think that in my life, if it wasn't for people forgiving me for the stupidity that I had in my youth, I don't feel like I would be where I was right now.
I feel like America is great because of its Christian values.
That's what's made this country so amazing, right?
And when you go other countries, you see so many cool things as you travel around.
But when you come back, it's the Christian values that are based in America that make America the place everyone wants to come.
That's right.
This is still where the most people want to live.
And it's because of those values.
And it's, we love our brother.
We forgive our brother.
Yes.
Right?
We serve.
We're outward focused instead of inward focused.
Yeah.
So good.
And I just think, dude, the country's amazing.
Minnesota needs a reckoning and an adjustment.
But there's a lot of good people there, and they can totally save their state.
Help me, Lisa.
What's happened to all those saints in Minneapolis?
Well, I think a lot of times they have just backed off, you know, because there is such an overcrowding of that.
But, you know, one of the things that we talk about what our mission is, you know, my mission almost 30 years ago was the Lord lay down my spirit when I was taking care of many people in the emergency care room and many patients and studying for my doctor naturopath and so on.
And I was on my knees and I was saying, really, what do you want me to do with all this?
I have a hunger to help and to serve.
Should I go into the ministry?
What should I do?
Because I was at that point in my life.
And he said, feed and help my people.
And so my mission has been all these years is we can't fight with a sick body.
How in the world, all the things that we're talking about, we can't fight if we're sick and weak.
And what do you think the enemy has tried to do?
Look at the companies that have tried to feed us garbage.
Look at everything.
So when you talk about a patch that takes care of pain, what is one of the things that the enemy gets to us?
It's through pain.
Absolutely.
Whether it's physical pain, mental pain.
And Mike, we talked about these patches, how many people are feeling better mentally after using this.
So how can we not be excited about a tool that we can put in their quiver and they can go out and fight the good fight?
I love you.
You can't do it if you're a good person.
You have to put it into perspective, right?
Let me see the patch.
I promise I won't keep it.
But this is where we got to an America to deal with pain.
We are being fed oxycontin.
And people are getting hooked on that.
Like MMs.
Or you take a risk and go with a patch and give you life or you're risking your life.
Yeah.
Listen, we had a great friend.
I wish this man was still alive today.
He owned a lot of businesses in Springfield, Missouri.
He was dealing with back pain.
On a Friday night, all the doctors were closed and he was needing some oxycontin to get rid of that pain.
Oh, no.
He went online.
Oh, no.
Just like millions of Americans go online to get drugs just to take the pain away.
And that oxycontin had a little bit of an ingredient called fentanyl.
Oh, no.
Took that, never woke up.
Oh, God.
Yet, God gives an idea through a patch that can solve the problem of do I go with regular drugs or do I go with what God is doing right now and giving witty inventions to his people and help and serve the people?
I'd rather go with this and risk the ability to know that I want longevity in life.
And then when I see my dad being able to function and talk and not focus on the pain, but focus on the message of the gospel, that tells you that works.
There's something else that I wanted to bring up too, which horrified me.
You know, they're doing assisted suicides right now.
They're doing assisted suicides in Canada.
They just brought up a boy that was a young man that had depression.
And then they made it okay for assisted suicide in Canada.
Tell people what that means.
If people don't know what that means, what does that mean?
So that means that the doctor helps you to die.
It's an assisted suicide.
So it isn't you going to do it on your own.
This is the government okaying it in Canada.
They've okayed it in other European countries.
And now we look at, if you were in pain, my gracious.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What would people pay for this?
What would people do for this?
Why did you let me have these first?
We started on this show.
Yes, you did.
You actually kick-started us.
And so to be able to launch something with you and help actually to help the ministry and to give back to the people who gave us, we're all in.
I love this.
It's exciting.
We think this is a great opportunity for us to actually, and honestly, when you think about our demographic, your demographic is our demographic.
100%, I can tell you right now.
And it works.
It works.
These foot patches are unbelievable.
The response from our survey, like we just did clinicals, 85% of, so 15% of all Americans have foot pain.
Women are three times more.
Say it again.
15%.
Wow.
All Americans have foot pain.
Anybody here have foot pain?
Probably more.
About half the audience has foot pain.
40% of those are heel, right?
Their heel hurts.
Plantarphasiitis, which is just swelling in the foot.
Inflammation.
Inflammation in the foot is huge.
And what happens with this is it doesn't just cause things to stop hurting.
It reduces inflammation.
So it takes the inflammation out of the foot, right?
That's what our thermography cameras actually show.
And I don't know.
No one can probably see this out in the audience, but that right there is someone's back who's in a, who's hurting, who's definitely hurting.
Yes.
That is 30 minutes after putting the patch on.
You can see all that inflammation disappearing.
That is three days after having the patch on.
This is what's the coolest part, though.
The neck, you'll notice that their neck hurt as well, actually.
Yes.
We didn't put a patch on the neck.
We put one on the back, but this is three days later.
Wow.
And the back was bad.
The pain's all gone.
So when you think what these can actually do for someone, just having them in their shoes.
Yeah.
Oh, my.
It's amazing.
I have them in my shoes.
I feel like running.
He's standing up.
He's standing up.
Wait a minute.
Wait, Lisa, you're right.
I mean, it just feels good.
Isn't there something?
Yeah.
And then when you think about what you can do because you're not focused on the thing that was hurting so bad, that's where their life really changes, right?
It's like, what can we do to help Minnesota?
The word of God, that's sharper than the sword.
That's amen, brother.
Right, we can preach.
If we're not worried about, if we're not worried about getting out of bed, we can spend our life ministering, serving, loving others, making a difference.
And I mean, you think of the price.
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It's $199 for two.
And you get one.
But it lasts six months and you can wear them every day.
It's actually so affordable.
It's so affordable.
And if you want three, because your back hurts too, $199.
$199 and you have all three.
So it's $119 for two.
$199 for three.
Our regular price when we launch these, which we're launching this a month before we actually launch these with you guys.
Okay.
I want everybody to know we're the first in the whole world to have.
We have this.
Yeah.
Yes.
Mike, this special.
Mike Hammond invention.
And I have him in my feet.
He gave them to me before the show.
He put him in shoes for him before.
And I feel like running right now, but they won't let me.
Mike, real quick, can you explain?
For the people that might be watching for the first time, can you explain the methodology of how the patch works?
Yes, it's so simple.
But our bodies are electrical.
Yes.
And we first developed this building electrical antennas.
So that worked on microcurrents, which we later found out the body operated on electrical microcurrents.
And so all this is, is basically a lightning rod for the body.
So when you have pain or when your body's hurting inflammation, all that's happening is a bunch of little nerves are firing energy off and that energy is going up your neural pathway to your brain.
When that energy hits our patch, it's basically like a lightning rod.
It's easier for that energy to flow into the patch than to keep traveling up.
So it's like a disruptor.
And that's what actually causes inflammation and everything else to leave that area.
So this isn't like a light wave patch or a, it's not an essential oil.
This is actually a technology that allows you to, that basically allows you to have relief from pain.
That's right.
As long as you have it on you and as long as it works.
So if you wash it in the washing machine, we found that that can hurt it.
But other than that, this thing actually holds up to a lot of stuff.
And you can use it day after day after day after day.
So it's pretty awesome.
We're the first program to have this product.
And I want you to order it today.
And a portion of it will go to keep us on the air.
Amen.
And that's what we do as a person.
Mike Hammond has stood with us for years.
Five years.
Yes, we have.
Can I say this?
And Mike will never tell you this.
You talked about forgiveness.
Mike forgave a tremendous debt that we owed you, Mike.
When you found out what we were going through, you forgave the debt.
Oh, thank you.
And that allowed us to continue to be on the air.
And you stood with us.
You didn't turn your back on us.
And this is what it means to you that we are able to bring this program into your home because of people like Mike that help us forgive the debt that we were carrying.
And you gave and you gave and you gave and we're still here.
And not only you're helping here, we're able to help other ministries.
We've helped Troy Brewer.
We help people in the hurricanes in Houston and Florida, feeding thousands, if not millions of people.
So it's not just going to help us to stay on the air, but it's helping us to continue to really reach the world with missions and food and whatnot.
Listen, this is what you can do.
You want to order a pair of what you call the shoe inserts for the signal step for $119.
Or you can get three, which is two of the steps, and one regular patch for $199.
There you go.
1-888-988-1588.
Or better yet, if you don't want to talk to any of us and you want to go straight and get it directly, jimbakershow.com, find the affiliate page, Signal Relieve, and we're there to help you.
Perfect.
I am so thrilled Mike Hammond is letting us offer these in our show.
You're taking it to the world.
Yes.
This is so exciting, guys.
So order.
Order right now.
Call 1-888-988-1588.
Or go to JimBakershow.com.
Like Monda said, get on the phone.
You know, I'm on my phone, and I order things on my phone all the time.
I'm the last living founder of Christian television.
Yep.
You are, Jim.
Do you believe that?
I believe it.
That's what's so awesome.
I'm the last of the Mohicans, and here I am.
Here you are.
This is new on our show.
And it will help you.
I'm wearing them right now.
I know.
I'm so excited.
Quit showing off.
But all my life.
We're getting ours.
All my life, I believe.
We're all going to be running around here.
On the edge of new things.
Yes.
True.
And I believe the best is yet to come.
We're going to grow this network with the help of God.
Mike, I'm so excited about this new product.
Yeah.
I can't believe we can get first.
So we call it signal steps.
All you do is slip these in your feet, in your shoes.
Mondo.
Are we over time right now?
We are.
I'll say goodbye then.
I was going to tell about these gifts, but we'll do those tomorrow.
Yeah, when they call us, we'll tell you about the gifts and just say, hey, Jim said, I need those gifts.
So guess what?
Ask us about the gifts and we'll give you a rundown.
All right?
1-888-988-1588.
And remember, together we can do it.
Amen.
Teamwork makes the dream work.
It's true.
Somebody told me that.
Did you know that?
Oh, yes.
And I believe it.
And Mike Hammond is on our team.
Oh, yes.
I love you, Mike.
That is amazing.
Thank you.
And I love your horse.
I love a rider.
God loves you.
Thank you, Lisa.
He really does.
Bye-bye.
We love you.
Here's what people are saying about signal relief.
Oh, my gosh, it's amazing.
It's unreal.
Like, it's, I mean, relief more than anything else.
Yeah, that's so cool.
I don't know what's in that thing or what it does, but it works.
It really, really works.
When I heard about the patch, I was pretty excited to try it and it really helped.
I put the patch on in about like maybe not like five minutes, not even feeling the warmth.
It's really working.
So thank you.
To the point that now I'm wearing the signal relief patch 24-7.
Using the signal relief patch, I can say that I've been relieved of the different types of pain that I experience.
The signal relief patch for me actually means relief.
Call us today at 1-888-988-1588 or visit our website at jimbakershow.com and always remember, God loves you.
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He really does.
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