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Jan. 7, 2026 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Troy Anderson Part 2
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Unlikely Agents of Revival 00:15:33
Troy Anderson is a Pulitzer Prize nominated investigative journalist, six-time number one best-selling author, founder, and president of the Inspire Literary Group, and former executive director of Charisma magazine.
His books include The Babylon Code, Trumpocalypse, Revelation 911, and the Trump Code, and his new book, Designated Disruptor, Trump and the Other Unlikely Agents of Revival.
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Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, Troy Anderson talks about the next great awakening, prophecy, politics, and the future of America.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching day two with Troy Anderson.
I want to encourage you, if you have not watched day one, go download the PTL TV app, whether you have it on an Apple device, an Android device, Yeroku, Amazon Fire Stick, whatever it is.
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We want you guys to go and be able to watch day one with Troy Anderson.
Troy, I want to say thank you for being back on with us again day two.
Give us an update of what it is that you're doing in the ministry and also how people can go and support you.
Well, Ricky, scraping back on the Jim Baker show, thank you so much.
It's a great honor.
We've got a company, Inspired Literary Group.
We help people write and edit books and get them published.
And I've got a new book out, which we've been talking about, Designated Disruptor, Trump, Other Unlikely Agents Revival.
People can find out more about everything we're doing, different book projects at TroyEnderson.us.
You know, Mondo, it takes a lot of work to write a book.
A lot.
People think, you know, it's a simple process.
You know, I have a good concept, a good idea.
I'll sit down there.
I'll type for a day or two.
And, you know, bada bing, bada boom, number, New York Times best-selling.
You know, it doesn't work that way.
It's typically years of work for you.
What did you say?
You made the joke the other day.
You said 28 years you spent essentially writing this one.
It took me about 20 some years to write my book.
And then they gave me eight weeks to get it done.
That's right.
And you're currently, I think, maybe I don't know if I'm allowed to tell this or not, but also you're in the process of beginning a new book as well that's going to hopefully come out sometime next year, at least be published next year, or maybe not published next year, but at least be completed in time.
So, but I think people need to know you're writing something that's incredible.
And I think really it's going to touch a lot of people as lives as well.
So I want to say thank you for that, Troy, as well.
You wrote a book called Designated Disruptors.
If you haven't watched day one, I encourage you, look at that on the screen right there.
Go purchase this book from Troy Anderson.
If you want to support the ministry, you can go call our number.
It's 1-888-9881-588 or go to our website, jimbakershow.com and click our affiliate with Charisma House Media.
You'll see it right there.
It's a little square.
It says Charisma Media, and you can go and support the ministry that way.
Now, I did notice that you said that it was going to come out January 6th.
Now, is there any specific reason for that date?
Well, actually, the COO of Charisma, that's his birthday.
But as you know, that's all the day, also the day of the supposed capital insurrection.
So they picked that date to release this.
And, you know, as we know, I mean, like we had that big National Day Repentance on the return on the National Mall before the 2020 election.
Of course, President Trump didn't win that.
Everybody was curious, you know, what is God doing here?
And I think he wanted to wake us up.
He wanted to show us this.
He wanted to give us a taste of totalitarianism, which is essentially what we saw during the pandemic with the loss of freedoms, the lockdowns, everything we saw.
And now four years later, we had this great North American eclipse that went through all this town called Nineveh.
It goes back to what Billy Ram told me, our Nineveh moment.
We see the miraculous reelection of President Trump, and now we see this revival breaking out.
And so I wrote this book because I was so inspired by all the unlikely people God is using to end this revival, just people all over America, all over the world.
It's an amazing thing to watch.
Amen.
Troy, we see a lot of political leaders rise and sometimes we don't understand the character behind a lot of these leaders.
So can you talk about what are the prophetic parallels to leaders such as Donald Trump?
Yeah, I think that the key thing is it's not about their flaws.
It's not about their mistakes and those kind of things.
It's the obedience.
It's the bravery.
It's the courage, the willingness to disrupt, to expose corruption, to challenge deception, to help awaken the sleeping church to the lateness hour on God's prophetic clock.
I mean, we're watching all these end-time events unfold.
At the same time, we're watching this revival that Billy Graham foresaw.
You know, I remember I interviewed Billy Graham in 2013 for a seven-part World Net Daily series along with Reinhardt Bonke.
He said he foresaw that all America shall be saved.
Sid Roth told me repeatedly, the greater glory is coming.
And now we're watching this happen.
So it's an amazing thing to see.
And so God is using all kinds of obedient people, unlikely people, and he can use you at this time too.
You know, that should be encouraging to us that God uses unlikely people.
Sometimes we look at unlikely people and we say, why is God using them?
But that should be a point of encouragement for us, Mondo.
Yeah.
That we can look at people who say, wow, I would never pick them in a million years, but God picked them.
And that's great because maybe people would look at us and say, well, I would never pick them in a million years, but God decided to use us.
What an incredible thing that is for you.
So if you ever see a figure and you're saying, well, why is God using them?
Why is God blessing them?
We should honestly be grateful and thankful and saying, Lord, thank you for using whoever it is I think is unlikely or unusable because I'm probably unlikely and unusable, but you still choose to use me.
And God can use you, friends.
You're not too old.
You're not too young.
You haven't done too much or said too much or been too far or pulled yourself too far away from the heart of God for him not to accept you back.
We're all the prodigal son or the daughter, whatever it is that, you know, you were born at birth.
We all have had those moments in our lives.
But the beauty of that story is if you really look at the picture, the son, or if you're a woman, the daughter is heading back to the father, saying, you know what?
I want to just be a servant in my father's house.
But what does the father do?
He runs out to his child.
He puts a robe on them, a ring on their finger.
He puts sandals on their feet.
He says, you're not going to be a servant.
You're my son or you're my daughter.
And that's what the Lord is ready to do for you.
If you're walking through this Christmas season, this Christmas time, you said, you know what?
I made it a declaration in 2025 that I would get right with the Lord, that I would pursue him.
I'd read the word.
I would be praying, but I just didn't do it.
Friends, I want to say, let's not wait until January 1st to restart that again.
Today's the best day to get right with the Lord and say, you know what, Lord, I'm going to start today.
I'm going to open up my Bible today.
I'm going to read today.
And I promise you, the minute you open that word, the minute you close your eyes and start saying that prayer, the Lord will meet you where you are.
It's never the fact that the Lord left.
He is an immovable figure sitting on an unshakable foundation.
It's that we drift from him.
But friends, he is always ready to accept us back if we start our process back to holiness, righteousness, and pursuing his heart again.
I want to encourage you, if you see people being used that maybe look like they don't fit the mold, say thank you, Jesus, because that is each and every one of us as well being used by the Lord.
And thank the Lord that he does that as well.
You know, Mondo, some people argue that God wouldn't use a polarizing figure.
A lot of people say, well, he wouldn't use a divisive figure.
But how do you respond to that, Troy?
I want to ask you.
How do you respond to that biblically and historically that God does sometimes use polarizing figures?
Well, yeah, yeah.
Think back in the Bible about Jehu.
You know, he overturned the altars of Jezebel.
He was a secular king or King Cyrus, a pagan, pagan leader, helped, you know, free the Jews and return them, you know, so they could rebuild the temple.
And so, you know, people ask, you know, how could God possibly use President Trump?
But I think he has all the attributes.
He's very courageous.
He's very outspoken.
You know, he's sort of the key leader that God is using at this time to, you know, challenging the deep state, you know, fighting back against these globalist plans.
I mean, the globalists are very open about it.
They want to create a one-world government that essentially the Apostle John foresaw 2,000 years ago in the book of Revelation.
And they're doing everything they can to move the world into this.
And so President Trump is pushing back against this.
He's not doing it perfectly, but I believe he's doing the best job he can.
And so we're seeing this revival break out now.
So it's, you know, God, God will surprise us.
He does these things that we don't understand.
His ways are much higher than our ways.
And so that's what he's doing.
He's using all these unlikely people, obedient people, courageous, bold people that are willing to, you know, step out, put their neck on the line, and do what God has called them to do.
I've had very little experiences where God said, go do something.
It didn't cost me something.
Whether it was my pride, my ego, my finances, my efforts, my emotions.
You know, the Lord says, go forgive that person.
Well, I don't want to go forgive that person.
They hurt me, God.
But I realize, you know what?
It's worth laying down my own pride, my own ego, my own hurts, my own bitterness to go forgive that person.
The Lord says, hey, see that gentleman over there?
Go give him some of the money out of your wallet.
Say, well, Lord, I need the money out of my wallet.
I have kids of my own.
I have a family of my own.
But I realize, you know what?
Obedience is better than sacrifice.
I want to obey because, you know, it's easy sometimes when I have a lot of money and I have this and I have that and I have a lot of time and I have, well, Lord, it's easy to give my money then.
And it's easy to give my time when I have a lot of time.
And I feel, oh, I'm sacrificing for you, Lord.
I'm sacrificing for you.
But in those seasons, Mondo, when the Lord is asking for obedience, we must be obedient.
I think it's critical.
I think it's important.
And friends, walk in obedience with the Lord today.
It is going to be something that changed your life.
Troy, you wrote a book called Designated Disruptor.
And I really want to dive into this because if people are going to see this on their shelves, they're going to see this on our affiliate program with Charisma Media.
They might have a neighbor who gets this book.
But why this book?
Why do we need to see the parallel between Trump and other figures and maybe them being the agents of revival in 2025 and 2026 coming up?
Yeah.
So the message of this book and why I wrote this is I want to encourage people that God can use anybody.
You know, he can use President Trump.
You know, he can use very unlikely people.
And the stories in the Bible is that.
Think about, you know, God used Moses.
You know, he was very reluctant.
He said, God, I've got to stutter.
But God used him to free the Jews from captivity in Egypt.
He used Noah and Noah's Ark and the great flood.
And afterward, you know, Noah got drunk.
He failed.
He used King David, his failures.
He used, you know, the Apostle Peter.
You know, he denied Jesus three times.
He used the Apostle Paul, wrote most of the New Testament, and yet he was a violent persecutor of Christians beforehand.
And so throughout the Bible, God sort of uses these unlikely people.
And so if he can use them, he can use us.
And so, you know, God has a purpose and destiny for all of us planned from before the foundations of the world.
And he wants you to step into that destiny.
And he can use you wherever you're at and whatever kind of situation you're in.
You can be a designated disruptor.
You know, Troy, I think everyone will agree that we are living in prophetic times.
That's right.
I believe that the horses are out of the barn.
The horses of the book of Revelation, we see chaos.
We see a cultural shift.
We see an economic collapse coming.
We see a lot of this chaos really erupting into a prophetic scene that we don't understand fully yet.
We can study the word and dissect the meaning and dissect the translation of scripture.
But in the middle of all that, how can we avoid the mistakes on not missing this great awakening that is getting ready to take place?
Yeah.
So I think that's why, you know, Billy Graham told me back in 2013, we could have this great end times awakening.
And so did, you know, Reinhard Bonke foresaw this and Sidroth and countless others, you know, over the decades.
You know, William Seymour foresaw this perhaps a century ago after the Azusa Street revival.
And so we're at this critical point in history where we're watching all these Bible prophecies unfold.
Billy Graham told me signs of the end of the age are converging for the first time since Jesus made those predictions.
And we're watching all this stuff happening, the AI, the technologies, the surveillance state, the digital currencies.
We could have this mark of the beast system.
They're putting it into place now.
All these different things are happening.
The signs of the end of the age are converging.
And so it's this time for the church to awaken, to rise up, bring in this great harvest revival, do everything we can.
It's all hands on debt.
God's calling his army to mobilize.
And so that's why I wrote this book.
It inspired people to join in with the amazing thing the Holy Spirit is doing.
You know, you write that today's cultural chaos is the perfect setup for revival.
Can you talk about the indicators that point to this?
As you mentioned, some powerful men of God like Billy Graham and Ryan Hartbonkey and Sid Roth have talked about the end time revival.
So tell us, what are some of these, you know, cultural chaos moments that could actually be setting us up for revival?
Well, yeah, I mean, anything can happen at this point in history.
I mean, we've seen threats of nuclear war from Russia and North Korea.
There's the threat of China attacking Taiwan that could potentially draw America into a battle with another nuclear armed power.
The world has record levels of debt.
Not just America, but every country on the planet has just skyrocketing levels of debt.
There's always a possibility of an economic collapse.
The Middle East is a powder cake waiting to explode.
President Trump is doing everything he can to bring peace to all these different kinds of situations.
And we should pray for the president.
We should pray for the peace of Jerusalem and for peace in the world.
But the world's a powder cake.
And so we're at the same time where we're seeing these great revival beginning.
We're also seeing all these signs of the end times converging.
So in a way, it's a very exciting time to be a believer.
But we need to be bold and courageous and draw close to the Lord, learn how to walk in the supernatural power, protection, and provision of the Holy Spirit.
That's how we're going to navigate these end times.
You know, when we're watching Matthew 24 play out, we are seeing something that should not surprise any of us.
I'm looking at the headlines and then I'm thinking about Matthew 24, where it says there will be wars and rumors of wars.
That's right.
And I'm looking at Venezuela vowing to break America's teeth.
Another one, Vladimir Putin is showing backing with Venezuela.
Then Trump is warning Colombia president, you're next.
Then we're watching the Middle East at war.
We're watching all of this play out in real time.
Again, Troy, you have written about Bible prophecy.
Where do you believe we are in right now, according to the time clock of scripture telling us that this event must take place before the return of Christ?
Yeah, you know, my first co-author, Paul McGuire, he had a vision on July 4th, 2025, in which the Lord showed him this great spiritual battle taking place in the heavenlies.
And then we're moving into these end time events, the book of Revelation talks about.
God's Call and Generational Impact 00:05:05
And he said, Jesus told him, I'm giving America one last chance.
Chuck Pierce, who's been very accurate prophetically, and you've had him on your show many times, he believes the Lord has given us about three and a half years of reprieve right now.
And so, you know, nobody knows how long this is going to last.
And so we can't become complacent.
When I wrote those books with Colonel Giamona, the military guide to Armageddon and the other ones, in the military, they teach if you become complacent, that's when you're vulnerable to being killed.
And so we can't go back to sleep as a church.
We've got to keep pushing forward, you know, but take advantage of this opportunity the Lord has given us, bring as many people to faith in Christ as possible.
And ultimately, it's all up to God.
But, you know, prophecy is moving forward.
The prophecy is going to be fulfilled.
The book of Revelation is going to happen and Jesus is going to return.
And all signs point that we are somewhere near that time.
I like what he said.
All signs do point that we are somewhere near that time.
So what practical steps can a Christian take to partner with God during this what would be unsettling season for the world, but as we know, you know, the brink of revival for Christianity?
Yeah, so I think the, you know, just what just what Jesus told us, what the Bible tells us to do, you know, read your Bible, to take time every morning, perhaps, to spend time in scripture, pray, draw close to the Lord, do some fasting.
You know, there's a lot of power in fasting, speaking in tongues, you know, learning to draw close to the Holy Spirit, binding your mind to Christ, learning to understand what God is talking to.
God is talking to us all the time.
We just got to sort of listen.
And as you read the Bible and draw close to the Lord, you'll hear his voice.
You know, my wife here a few years ago, she told me, why don't you keep a journal of things that seem miraculous in our lives?
And it's now grown to like 280 pages of just miracle after miracle after miracle.
And so if you keep like a prayer log like that, it'll be a great encourager to your faith.
So these are all key things to be victorious in a spiritual battle and to find your destiny, your mission, your assignment in God's army.
It really is about finding our assignment, isn't it, Mondo?
Sometimes we try to walk in somebody else's calling and somebody else's assignment.
We find ourselves burning out as believers.
But when we find what it is that we're supposed to do, yes, there'll be days that you're tired and we work hard and we're weary, but Mondo, there'll never be a point where we are burnt out because we're walking in the calling of God and the joy of the Lord is our strength.
You know, it makes me think of Genesis chapter 12, verse 1, 2, and 3.
And if you have time, take time to study that because you're going to learn that it's going to bring a lot of meaning to understand what is your role during this time.
You see, God calls us before he leads us in.
Then God's blessing is connected to obedience.
Number three, your walk with God impacts a generation.
When we understand the call that Abraham had in the beginning, his yes changed everything.
Your yes can change everything.
Imagine God calling you to leave your homeland, your family, your culture, everything that identifies who you are and calls you into a place where there is no identity other than God calling you.
That's where we are right now.
And a lot of people are afraid to move in faith because if they can't control it, they won't go in it.
We are so narcissistic in the church today that we think that we can control the call of God in our life.
But most of the time, let me repeat that again: all the time that God calls you out of your comfort zone, brings you into a promised land that you can't control.
You have to walk by faith, believe in faith, and step out in faith to understand that your walk with God is going to impact the next generation.
And all you have to do is walk in obedience and understand that your blessing is connected to your obedience with him.
And then understanding that when God calls you out, you know what?
Before he leads you, he'll call you.
That's right.
Again, we talked about it during the first program.
Are you making yourself available for the call of God?
That's good.
Are you making yourself available to be in obedience with God?
And are you understanding that the calling of God, that your walk with God, your relationship with God is going to impact the generation around you, the next generation, and the generation before you?
And when you align those three, you understand that God's timing is never off.
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That's right.
If we are living in prophetic times, if we are under this prophetic time clock, then understanding that revival and chaos parallel each other, the key is, will you be available?
That's right.
And I want to talk about what mistakes the church must avoid to not miss this next great awakening.
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So Troy, the question was, what mistakes must the church avoid to not miss the next great awakening or the next awakening that's going to happen?
What are some practical steps?
Well, you know, what Paul McGuire told me when he had that vision that I mentioned is that the Lord wants to have a biblical great awakening.
In other words, he wants us to tell the world, the whole council of God, the whole council of the Bible, which includes Bible prophecy, includes, you know, heaven and hell, includes the Holy Spirit, the miracles, the signs, wonders, and miracles that we see throughout the Bible.
Awakening Church Revival 00:05:22
And so I think that we want to help awaken the church to the lateness of the hour that we see in prophecy.
And also to not make the mistakes of the past of watering down the gospel and that kind of thing.
And so I think that's the most important thing is we tell people the truth, that young people that are experiencing this revival now, they want to see authenticity.
They want to see the real thing.
They want to see the signs, wonders, and miracles that the Bible talks about throughout scripture.
And many of them are seeing this.
They're being delivered.
They're being baptized.
They're moving into ministry.
And so I think that's the lessons we can learn from the last few decades is we need to move away from that and get real, you know, in the country club church and get real of God, be bold, be courageous, you know, share the gospel, do what God has called us to do.
Amen.
It's about doing what God has called us to do.
We've seen that so many times we see Pastor Jim Baker, the founder of this ministry, every time the Lord has called him, he has said yes to doing what the Lord has called him to do.
You know, when I look at people in the Bible, We want their anointing, but we don't want the price they paid.
Write that down.
We want their anointing, but we don't want the price they paid to be used by God.
I think that's one of the reasons why people don't want to follow God truly.
They want to know about God, but they really don't want to know God because knowing God means you deny yourself, you die daily, and then you have to carry it daily.
That's a process that very few people are willing to go through, but knowing about God gives you the head knowledge that you need, but it doesn't give you the full experience in having that intimate relationship with him.
And there's a lot of people in the church that they're getting lost in the idea of the knowledge about God, but really never experiencing knowing God.
Why?
Let me remind you again, knowing God means you have to deny yourself first.
You have to die to yourself, and then you have to carry your cross daily.
Think about that for just a second.
When God calls the man or the woman of God to step out in faith, that means you have to trust God with everything inside of you.
It's called faith.
And if you want to know, if you want to know what faith looks like and why extraordinary men are being used, or let me say it this way, why ordinary men became extraordinary men was because they stepped out into what Hebrews 11 talks about, which is faith.
Or designated disruptors.
That's really what they end up being.
I think it's an incredible title for the book.
Troy, you've written this book, Designated Disruptor, Trump and Other Unlikely Agents of Revival.
Mondo, we see the book of Hebrews talking about all these agents of revival for their time.
And, you know, we might have some more unlikely ones in our time.
Troy, I want to say thank you.
If you could leave our audience with one message, what would it be?
Yeah, I would just say, you know, find out what God's plan is for your life.
Become a designated disruptor in your community, in your family, at your workplace.
You know, this is an exciting time to be a believer.
So I would encourage you to, you know, find the Lord's destiny for your life.
Step into this and you won't be sorry.
You know, the God has an amazing adventure and he loves you very much.
And you haven't accepted Jesus.
Ask him to forgive you your sins and he'll transform your life.
Amen.
And he will do just that, friends.
If you come humbly before the throne, there will be grace given to you.
There is blood that is sufficient to cover all your sin, all your iniquity, all your mistakes, everything that you have done.
The Lord is faithful to redeem you back to your sonship or daughtership, whatever it is that you are.
Friends, I want to encourage you, come back to the cross today.
Let the Lord move in your life.
And I promise you, life doesn't mean it's going to get perfect and you won't ever have struggles or trials or tribulations, but you'll have the foundation that'll never shake that you can put your feet down on and say, it doesn't matter if the winds and the waves rise against me.
I know for a fact that I'm standing on the firm word of God.
Friends, give your life to Jesus.
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Friends, this is day two with Troy Anderson.
Troy, I want to say thank you for being on the show, the broadcast with us today.
If you haven't watched day one, or if you're just tuning now into day two, go download the PTL TV app.
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Troy, thank you again and friends.
Never forget this.
God loves you.
We'll see you tomorrow.
Bye-bye for today.
Amen.
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