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Oct. 6, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
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America's Spiritual War 00:15:41
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guest today is Rabbi Jonathan Kahn.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
Today we have with us Rabbi Jonathan Kahn.
Rabbi, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
God bless you.
You were in the area speaking and you decided to jump in the studio.
So it always is an honor to have you here with us.
Herns, if you've been watching the news, you know what happened just a few weeks ago to Charlie Kirk.
And Rabbi, you have an insight of what happened truly, especially in the spiritual realm.
Tell us what happened with this.
Well, it's interesting because the avatar came out, just was released in the week leading up to it.
And the avatar is opening up the spiritual realm and the forces and the wars at the war that is happening right now over the future of America and people who are being used of it.
And that, you know, and in the book, it speaks on one hand about an assassination attempt, Trump.
Also, you know, I don't know if people realize this.
There were, this is in hype and this is in conspiracy theory.
There was actually witches.
There were people, there was a woman who paid witches to cast a, put a curse on Charlie Kirk.
And they did that.
It came out on the internet two days before the assassination.
They placed a curse on it.
Now, God, you know, nobody can do anything unless God allows it.
So God has, but there is spirit.
This tells you there's a spiritual war.
And actually with Trump, they play witches, we're placing curses on him, but God spared him.
God has his purpose both ways.
But we had just posted 24 hours before the assassination.
I was led to put a post on demonic shootings, demonic shootings.
And then, and I spoke about the one in Minnesota that happened where they went against kids in prayer in this church.
And it's not just us saying demonic.
It's actually, there's total hard evidence.
The man who did it drew a picture of a demon instructing him to kill.
I mean, there was so much more to that.
So I'm writing about that.
And then they asked Charlie Kirk that question about the shooting.
It started from that shooting, which was a demonic-led shooting.
They asked him about it.
It has to do with the gender issue, which has come up in these shootings.
And then it happens.
As he's answering the question, a shooting, a demonic shooting comes.
It also turns out it's linked to gender.
And so this was definitely the enemy.
It was definitely an enemy strike.
It was a strategic strike because we're in a period right now where America's hanging in the balance.
God's given us a rollback, like a window to roll back.
But that which has been rolled back is not happy and it's not going down without a fight.
And so it was like a strike back from the demonic realm.
But we cannot be silent.
That's right.
In fact, we pray that God will use this for redemption, even revival, according to God's will.
So we got to pray what the devil meant for evil, God will use for good.
Rabbi, are we at the precipice after watching the assassination, the murder, cold-blooded murder of Charlie Kirk?
Are we on the precipice of something big, spiritually speaking?
We may very well be.
The next period is going to tell.
It could get really worse on one hand.
It can spiral into violence.
On the other hand, whether it does or not, it could lead to revival.
You know, there are people have been so, you know, people flock to churches just as they did with 9-11.
That's the nearest thing to that.
So it could mobilize, you know, what they, again, where it's just like, you know, when, when in the book of Acts, Stephen was martyred and, you know, sad thing, but revival came out of it.
The gospel spread.
That's the, you know, it says, you know, Charlie Kirk was a martyr because what he was really assassinated for standing for the Lord.
It's not saying that everything he said, you know, there's a million stands and that's not, but he stood for the gospel.
He stood for life.
He stood for God very strongly and he was assassinated for that.
So it could get worse before it gets better.
It's possible.
It can go in any direction.
We pray that either way, we should be praying for this.
And I also led with the lead up from the avatar.
It ends with that we've got a window of time that God has given us prophetically.
And we have to do everything we can to be praying for revival as never before because we may not have this window again.
And the thing is that, so therefore, the fact that this happened right now may be all part of it.
God saved Trump miraculously.
I mean, we know, he could have saved Charlie Kirk, but God saved Trump because he had a purpose.
And God took Charlie Kirk because he had a purpose.
That's right.
So we pray, we got to pray all the more for revival in this land.
Amen.
It's the blood of the martyrs that grew the first century church.
And some have said it'll be the blood of the martyrs that grow the last century church right before Christ returns because of persecution.
It very well be.
We're talking about all the different books that you have written.
The dragon's prophecy has debuted at a number one best-selling book in America.
Why do you think that is?
Yeah, and that's when it came out.
By the way, some news, just a quick thing for here.
By God's grace, the Avatar just came out as number one, the number one.
Yeah, as our honor.
By God's grace.
By God's grace.
The grace of God.
So why do you think that these are hitting number one best?
Well, I think, I mean, the dragon's prophecy is the end times.
People sense that we are in, even people who don't believe sense that, wait, is this the end?
So I believe there's a real hunger and there's a real sense that we are at a very, very key prophetic moment.
And I think that that is what really has prompted that.
And the dragon's prophecy is about, it focuses on the other side.
This is the church on one hand.
That focuses on the other side of the enemy's hatred, which is Israel.
And that's gone on to this day.
The world hates Israel.
One of the dangerous things here, and I think that's a good reason for the movie.
And this is Dinesh D'Souza, who, you know, who's a great filmmaker.
And the thing is, he came to me, by the way, he was interviewing me about the dragon's prophecy.
And then he calls me back and says, I want to make a movie, the dragon's prophecy, because he wanted to do something about Israel.
And so he said, that's the key.
So the thing is this, we're at a moment where anti-Semitism is crazy.
The devil's just going crazy.
The devil is the dragon, and the dragon hates the woman in that Revelation 12 vision, which is Israel.
But the dangerous thing is now it's even creeping up among some conservatives or some of the right wing, you know, who have gone kind of crazy.
And the thing is that because then the reason is it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter, you know, the reasons for the hatred of Israel or the Jewish people keep changing.
They change every generation because it's not about that.
It's about the dragon.
The dragon wants to destroy them because if he can destroy them, he stops the kingdom.
But he can't destroy them, but he'll do everything he can.
So that's why I think it's actually strategic that the dragon's prophecy is coming to theaters.
It's actually going to be in the theaters.
And it's going to be like the anniversary.
You know, the anniversary, it's October 7th, of course, was the Hamas, the invasion.
Well, I believe it's going to be October.
It's going to be surrounding it, October 6th and October 8th.
It's going to be all over the place.
So I pray that it, you know, that, and he did a great job.
He did a tremendous job.
I saw a little, you know, I've seen the glimpse of it.
It's going to be powerful, but I pray people also bring their friends or bring their, because people need to know and need to see, but it's going to be a powerful thing that this October.
I mean, from number one best-selling book in America to what I believe will probably be the number one movie in America, thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
I want you to watch a trailer of what you can expect October 6th and October 8th.
Then another sign appeared in heaven.
An enormous red dragon.
Revelation 12.3 Once again, an armed attack in the Middle East, but this time it's different.
October 7th was the devil's homage.
It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I was there and seen with my own eyes and seen them laughing and killing and having fun with it.
Because if you don't open the door, they are going to kill you and they are going to kill me, so please open the door.
So who are the Jews?
Who are the Palestinians?
And whose land is it really?
Could the fate of the world, of humanity itself, be somehow tied to this place?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
So what if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
The Bible speaks about this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking a woman representing Israel.
The civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part of the dragon.
Mastered everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.
We came back to a land that was largely barren and empty, and we brought it back to life and we're going to keep it.
The devil hates the Jewish people because they represent the existence of God.
Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal himself more and more dramatically.
Speak back through the stones.
The story that they've been telling is that Israel is a colonial project.
The problem with that is the city of David.
We are an inconvenient truth.
Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible?
No.
God's word stands firm.
The dragon will not prevail.
Earth to God.
Your message here is become a dragon slayer.
Based on Jonathan Kahn's number one international bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.
Earth to God.
Come in, God.
Amen.
Friends, that'll be streaming on Salem.
Now you can go and look that up.
You can also go to thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
That's going to be up on the screen for you where you can see the dates that it will be in theater, October 6th and October 8th.
Rabbi Jonathan Kahn.
The only way you can get tickets from what I know is through that.
If you go to thedragonsprophecyfilm.com because it's not going to come in theater.
But that's how you get to it.
Yeah, that's easy.
So you can get tickets right there, friends.
You can see that up on the screen, thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
Go there, see this incredible work with Rabbi Jonathan Kahn, produced, directed by Danish D'Souza, which we'll actually have on the broadcast here.
If you're watching this, in a few days, we'll have him here talking about what inspired him to do this mando.
What an incredible time for a film like this to be made.
The time is now when you see Israel, Rabbi, being attacked by some of the most prominent conservative voices are coming against Israel.
And be careful what you listen to on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter.
Don't get caught up in the idea to go against Israel because of what's taking place in Gaza.
I want to tell you something.
We are living in a moment in time that you better know your Bible and what the Bible says in Israel.
It's a non-negotiable for God.
Why is it that Israel should be a non-negotiable for Christianity?
Well, there's no Christianity, as Mike Huckabee, the American ambassador to Israel, said, there's no Christianity without Israel.
Our faith is a Jewish faith for everybody.
The Bible says if you're born again, you become spiritually Jewish.
You become a child of Israel.
Everything we read are, you know, it's the Jewish Messiah.
It's the Jewish Psalms.
It's the Psalms of Israel.
It's the prophetic where everything we know about God has come through that.
You know, we're born of God, our father, but the church is born through its, the mother is Israel, who gave birth in a way.
And that's why in Revelation, it's a woman who gives birth to the Messiah.
I mean, every blessing we have in our life came from Israel, came through Israel, every single one.
And it's all going to come back.
You know, he's not coming back until he comes back through Israel, just like he always comes through Israel.
So therefore, and the other thing is that God, it's God's work.
It's not man.
It's not about Jewish people.
It's not about God's work and God's witness.
They are the witness that God exists.
And his plans do not get fulfilled without Israel.
It just doesn't happen.
And so if we love Jesus, Messiah, Yeshua, the king of the Jews, we got to love his nation.
We're even part of it in that one sense.
So listen, and the war goes back to ancient times because when you read that, the dragon has been trying to kill the woman for thousands of years.
And he's behind it all.
When you talk about some, we're not going to mention him by name, I guess, but I was saying some conservatives.
Hopefully, you know, the good thing is it's just very few right now, but some have flipped out totally.
It's an ancient disease.
But what they're saying is it's always accusing, you know, Israel's behind everything.
The JFK assassination, you know, the common cold, the windshield factor, whatever you name it.
This is an old thing because the enemy is an accuser.
That's what Diablo.
He's the accuser of the brethren, and he's the accuser of God's ancient people.
That's right.
You actually say that Adolf Hitler played a role in what happened.
Because the reason being that it's all because, you know, Hitler's gone, but the dragon lives.
You know, the enemy lives.
The spirit lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the devil is alive.
And so therefore, therefore, you're going to see the fingerprints of the same one at work behind.
Doesn't matter whether it's Hamas, whether it's hitherto.
So example, example.
There was a guy, he was named the Mufti of Jerusalem.
He hated the Jewish people, you know, in the early 20th century, was responsible for Jewish bloodshed.
Well, he was going to be taken, he was going to be put on trial, but he escaped and he went to Germany.
And he gets a meeting with the chancellor, Adolf Hitler.
And there he wants Hitler to bring the Holocaust to Israel, the nation of Israel.
That's just, it wasn't a nation yet.
It's forming.
Hitler said he would as soon as he could, but he couldn't.
And so this guy, the Mufti from the Middle East, becomes the voice of Radio Berlin for the Nazis.
Hitler's Disciple 00:01:44
He broadcasts throughout the Arabic and Islamic world the hatred of, you know, the Nazi hatred of the Jewish, which has still infected it to this day.
The thing is that he was going to be put on trial in Nuremberg, you know, with the Nazis.
He escapes.
He goes to Egypt.
In Egypt, he's hailed as a hero.
He's considered the father of Palestinian nationalism.
This is a guy who worked for Adolf Hitler.
It's not an accident.
And he takes a teenager under his wing to become his disciple.
The teenager, an Egyptian teenager's name, is Yasser Arafat.
And so the head of the whole PLO and all those things.
It all traces directly to Adolf Hitler.
And when, you know, and not only, there's another organization that was called the Muslim Brotherhood.
Well, Hitler actually became a sponsor of this organization when it was just beginning.
And it was the Muslim Brotherhood that gave birth to Hamas.
So you got this line.
In fact, they found in Gaza, they found Mein Kampf, Hitler's own, you know, autobiography, Hitler's writings there.
It's all part of, it's like a demonic seed that goes from generation to generation.
And here's one other thing.
There was a guy who Hitler chose to wipe out the Jews, which was Heinrich Himmler, the head of the Holocaust.
Heinrich Himmler, you know, the day that he was appointed, Hitler appointed him as over all the territories that were conquered, basically, to begin the Holocaust.
Colors of the Apocalypse 00:05:45
The day that Hitler chose was October 7th.
So October 7th was the anniversary of Himmler and the Holocaust.
And Himmler was born on October 7th as well.
It was the birthday of the man of the Holocaust.
That's why it resembled the Holocaust.
There are actually survivors of the Holocaust in Israel who watched everything replay.
That's incredible.
You know, the question that everyone is asking right now is, are we living in the last days?
And if so, what are the colors of the apocalypse?
Well, we are because, I mean, we can't say, we're not setting a date and all that, but the Bible says, describes the last days as a time, you'll know you're in the last days, when Israel, when the Jewish people who have been wandering the earth, God has brought them all from the ends of the earth back to the land.
It's happened.
When they come to Jerusalem, happened, 67.
When the whole world is hating Israel right now.
It doesn't make any sense.
I mean, what nation, think about it, like what nation on this planet do people from every nation demonstrate their hatred against, not the Soviet Union, not even Nazi Germany.
They need to have everything, but only the little tiny democratic, little tiny Israel.
It doesn't matter what they do or what they don't do.
But the other thing is that, you know, in the Bible, it gives colors for the apocalypse.
And that is you have the white horse representing conquest.
You have the red horse, war.
You have the black horse, famine.
And you have the green horse, death.
So you have the four colors.
Well, the colors of the apocalypse have manifested in our world because everywhere where you see hatred of Israel, wherever you see it, the colors of the apocalypse come up.
And the reason is because the flag of Palestine is white for the white horse, red for the red horse, black for the black horse, and green for the green horse.
The colors of the apocalypse.
Wow.
It seems to be right in front of our faces, yet it takes a man like Rabbi Jonathan Kahn to hear from the Lord and put this right inside of a book.
Now, this is all within the Dragon's Prophecy book.
So if you haven't gotten that, friends, go run and get the Dragon's Prophecy book.
I urge you, read the book and watch the film, which you can look at, thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
If you're watching this right now, I want to show you another sneak peek of what you're going to get whenever you go buy your tickets at thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
Watch this.
Then another sign appeared in heaven.
An enormous red dragon.
Revelation 12 3 once again an armed attack in this This time, it's different.
October 7th was the devil's holiday.
It's very hard to believe what happened, even though I was there and seen with my own eyes and seen them laughing and killing and having fun with it.
Because if you don't open the door, they are going to kill you and they are going to kill me, so please open the door.
So who are the Jews?
Who are the Palestinians?
And whose land is it really?
Could the fate of the world, of humanity itself, be somehow tied to this place?
The nation of Israel is a resurrected nation.
So what if there was going to be a resurrection of another people, an enemy people of Israel?
The Bible speaks about this whole war as a dragon representing the enemy attacking a woman representing Israel.
The civilian deaths on both sides represent victories on the part of the dragon.
Mastered everything within their ability to maximize the civilian casualty.
We came back to a land that was largely barren and empty, and we brought it back to life and we're going to keep it.
The devil hates the Jewish people because they represent the existence of God.
Because without that Jewish foundation, there is no Christianity.
If we're approaching the end of time, God will reveal himself more and more dramatically.
Speak back through the stones.
The story that they've been telling is that Israel is a colonial project.
The problem with that is the city of David.
We are an inconvenient truth.
Are you aware of any significant archaeological finding that contradicts the Bible?
Nope.
God's word stands firm.
The dragon will not prevail.
Earth to God.
Your message here is become a dragon slayer.
Based on Jonathan Cahn's one international bestseller, The Dragon's Prophecy.
That's thedragonprophecyfilm.com.
Rabbi, who should go see this movie?
Yeah, I believe it is so important.
The timing couldn't be more important.
Really, first of all, if you're a believer and you love Israel, you want to see it.
Stream It For Your Congregation 00:05:24
If you have people in your life who don't love Israel, you have people who are being affected by this, whether they're believers or not believers, get them to see this because that's what it's about.
It's so important.
For now, I'm praying.
If pastors, you know, get your churches, go out, go to the theater.
You can also, you were just saying up here, you can also stream it.
Stream it after it comes out.
It's going to be out on October 6th and October 8th.
After that, they're going to have it streaming.
You can get DVDs.
You can get a streaming of it, but you can stream it to your congregation.
You can have this at Bible studies.
But so important, and especially for now, it couldn't have been more important moment than now.
That's right.
Salem now, you can go and stream.
We'll put that on the screen for you to see.
It's Salem Now.
That'll be the streaming platform churches.
I urge you, whatever, you know, your projector screen, roll in a TV, stream this for your church congregation on October 9th.
It is going to be important.
I believe that this is the moment.
This is the moment.
It's so important.
And we have to stand.
We have to stand for God.
You know, they talk about Charlie Kirk.
You got to stand.
We don't get intimidated.
And we have to stand also with this too.
So I believe that, you know, he'll use the theaters if there's a theater near you.
Great.
If there's not, you can go right on there and stream it or get a DVD.
But I believe this is the hour.
You know, with what we saw happen on the news over the last couple of weeks, everyone has been mourning the death of a man who was a patriot, who loved the Lord, who was championing the faith forward.
There are two groups of people right now that we can see across the nation.
Those who have a fire in their bones and want to go out and evangelize for Jesus Christ everywhere they can.
And then there's also those who say, Well, I want to do something for the Lord, but I don't want to put me and my family in danger.
I don't want to worry about our safety, things like that.
What would you say to someone right now who wants to get out?
They want to get in the fight, but they're worried.
You know, I don't want something like that to happen to our family.
Yeah, well, listen, we all have to be wise, but the point is this: if we don't stand for something, we're standing for nothing.
We'll fall for anything.
And if you don't make a stand for the Lord, why are we here on earth?
Why are you here on earth?
What's the point?
You know, it's like, well, I'll preserve my life.
Well, the point is, it won't necessarily be a life worth living if you don't live it for God.
God said, you know, we got to be willing to give up all things.
That's when he's going to move.
We want revival.
We got to have that heart.
We got the same heart that Charlie Kirk had.
If we want revival, and by the way, this is the time.
I share this in the avatar.
We are at a specific prophetic moment.
We got to pray for revival as never before.
Live in revival as never before.
Minister for revival as never before, because that is the moment.
So if we don't go all out, we'll never see God's best.
God gave his best to us.
He didn't hold back and say, you know what?
It's dangerous to do this salvation thing.
No, he didn't.
He said, I'm giving myself to trust the Lord for the rest.
You know, every great person in the Bible, they had to do that.
You know, Esther had to say, if I perish, I perish.
That's right.
You know, David had to run to the giant, ran to the giant.
We got to have that way.
You know, if we want to win, we got to act like we're on the winning side.
Go full blast.
God is with you.
Amen.
You know, it says, Christ endured the cross for the joy set before him because he knew the ultimate goal was us as a people getting to join him.
Friends, your relationship with Jesus Christ is the most important thing that will ever happen to you on this side of eternity.
Make sure you know who he is.
Rabbi, if somebody's watching right now and they may be, you know, atheists, as you say you once were.
I was.
You know, they may be Jewish, but don't believe in Jesus as their Messiah.
What would you say to someone right now watching?
They're saying, you know what?
I have thought of the idea of giving my life to the Lord, but I'm feeling a prompting in my spirit today.
Yeah, listen.
Yeah, I was an atheist too.
You know, all that.
I was a Jewish person who was raised not to believe in Jesus.
Number one, there's nothing better you can do with your life.
You know, atheism doesn't work.
We can't be here for no reason.
There's no reason for that.
There's got to be a reason.
That's why you're seeking.
That's why you're watching this, because there's a God-shaped vacuum there.
And God will answer it.
Open your heart.
You've got nothing to lose.
Open your mind.
Open your heart.
We've got to say, listen, we don't know everything.
Whoever you are, you're going to say, I don't know everything.
There's more that I don't know than I do know.
Open your heart to God.
Say, listen, God, I don't even know if you're there, but I'm praying.
Show yourself to me.
I'm opening my heart.
I'll follow you if so.
And if you're Jewish, there's nothing more Jewish than you're ever going to do than finding the Jewish Messiah.
There's nobody else.
There's no number two.
There never has been.
It is only Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah.
That's it.
Amen.
Friends, give your life to Jesus today.
If you need someone to help you pray that salvation prayer, call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
And one of our pastors will call you and we will have that.
We'll walk the salvation prayer with you and we'll help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
It's the most important decision you will ever make in your life.
I want to urge you, pastor, elder, whoever's watching this congregate, member of your church, go to thedragonsprophecyfilm.com.
Get tickets for you.
Get them for your friends, your loved ones.
Take as many people.
See if you can pack out those movie theaters those two days, which will be October 6th and October 8th.
And then October 9th, bring this to your small groups in your homes.
Bring this to your church buildings.
Bring this wherever you can to stream it for everyone you can.
The dragonsprophecyfilm.com.
Rabbi Jonathan Conway, thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
God bless you, friends.
Remember this, and never forget, God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you so much.
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