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Sept. 2, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn
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People Were Being Killed 00:15:04
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Our special guest is the author of the brand new book, The Avatar, Rabbi Jonathan Kahn.
Our co-hosts today are Pastor Ricky Baker and Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here are your hosts, Pastor Jim and Lori Baker.
Oh, my.
Hello.
Hi, everybody.
Glad to see you.
And we have the one and the only in-person, Jonathan Kahn.
Yes, guys.
Otherwise, as we call you Rabbi, Jonathan Kahn, we call you Rabbi.
Forgive me for not saying Rabbi.
No, no, no, no, no.
You can say you are my friend.
And you've taken us to Israel, and we've had the greatest times in the world.
I still think about that.
And your children and your family.
How's Renata, real quick?
I know we only have a few minutes, guys, so how's Renata?
Yeah, Renata's great.
How are the boys?
The boys are great.
Ellie is now 15.
I can't believe it.
He was like two or something when I came.
15?
I thought he was 13.
Yeah, he's taller than me.
Oh, my.
Okay.
How's Diel?
Taller than you.
Oh, bring him next time, please.
We want to see your family.
Yeah, and Diel that is 13 is going to have a bar mitzvah this Friday.
Oh, wow.
We're going to live stream it so people can see it.
Yes, I'll be watching.
And then the youngest is Michael, and he is six.
Oh, very cute.
Oh, well, we got it.
I want to get right, you know, our programs are 30 minutes now.
But if you watch, it's going to take me about six or seven days to get through this book.
Can you stay that long?
Yeah, I think so.
This is the book.
First look at the book, The Avatar.
The Return of the Ancients and the Future of America.
And the future of America is one of the most important parts of this book.
I know most of it don't know what Avatar is.
I thought it was some airplane driver or something.
And you know more about it.
And so should we start with talking about the title?
Yeah, we can do that.
Yeah, I mean, a lot of people know about the word avatar.
They think it's a computer word because when you do a game and somebody represents you, avatar comes from, it's linked to the gods.
Avatar is from actually the Eastern gods, Hinduism, where the avatar is a form or a vessel of a God, a God taking a form or an image, someone who is acting as an instrument of a God or an image of a God.
And so this is in Hinduism, but it's throughout the world because wherever you have gods, you have this concept almost every place of an avatar or the kings were seen as the representations of the gods.
The pharaohs were all over.
So, you know, I've did the book.
I debuted here, The Return of the Gods.
Yes.
Well, now, if the gods have returned, and we can get into what that means, or the spirits have returned, then could it be that the avatars have?
Could there actually be?
This is gonna, the avatars.
This is the most powerful book you've ever written.
I think it's the, I believe it's the most explosive book.
Yeah.
It's touches everyone.
Can I just touch everyone?
Can I sneak peek just?
Sure.
You tell us the current.
But the current avatars, I guess, and the current men of God and women of God.
I'm telling you, the book shocked me.
And I've read thousands of books.
This is the cover of the new book.
That's all we really got, but it'll be out in a few hours.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, this is going to open up another realm because, you know, basically where I had the return of the gods, but now it's another stage where it's affecting government.
It's affecting it.
The gods, when we spoke about this, and again, we'll explain this, but or the return of their, the interest is in dominion, taking over a culture.
And so this is going to be, this is going to be not only going to talk about could there be actually avatars in the world, could there be some one we even know of?
This is going to be the ultimate mystery of Donald Trump.
And not saying that he's not the avatar, but he's linked to this.
But you talk about the ancient mystery that revealed Trump.
Yeah.
Yes.
And it's still coming.
It's coming true even more now.
Even the mystery behind the assassination attempt that goes back to an ancient priesthood.
Can I say that the laughing goddess is part of this?
What does this have to do with America?
The Bible knew decades ago.
Yes, the mystery of the I don't want to tell the end because, you know, you don't tell the end of the book.
He just got through.
He's so excited.
He wants to talk.
Honey, don't.
You have to stop.
Let Rabbi tell us.
But you reveal what's going to happen in America.
Yeah, the ancient templates in the Bible that tells us where we are and where we are going.
Even, you know, I started, I once shared about the paradigm.
And while that has continued, it even has the mystery of the last four years with the presidency of Joseph Biden, even Kamala Harris, and where we are heading, where our prophetic moment is right now.
So I also do something, I know we'll start this way, but I've never really spoken about my encounters with the gods or spirits in the nations, where some very supernatural things, and that's going to set the stage.
Even what happened, won't go into it yet, what happened at the Olympics at the beginning, that crazy thing that happened, all linked to the mystery of this.
The return, not just the rise of Donald Trump, but the return of Donald Trump.
That is part of this mystery.
Why is he doing what he's doing right now?
Could it go back to an ancient king and a temple of the Bible that tells us where we are and where we're going?
So it's going to be explosive because it touches all those things and how the gods have come into it or the spirits have come into all this.
Ricky, how many days have you set aside for me and the rabbi?
I'm not on the show all the time, but I come when you ask me.
Well, I know we're going to be filming eight episodes.
So in TV land, it'll be eight days.
Eight days.
Watch every day because this is explosive.
In the avatar, you share something with me never written about.
You encounters with the gods.
I think it began in India.
Yeah.
And where you were asked to walk in the footsteps of the Apostle Thomas.
Tell us what happened.
Yeah, you know, and this is where it's not just, it's not theory.
I mean, I'll tell you what I actually experienced.
I was asked to go to India.
India is a land of many gods.
I mean, like millions of gods.
It's kind of like the last reserve of what the whole world was in ancient times of paganism.
You know, you have all sorts of gods.
I was asked, according to the Indian believers and ancient old history or church history, the gospel was brought to India by the Apostle Thomas.
So they asked me to come as a Jewish believer, as Thomas was Jewish, to walk in the footsteps of the Apostle Thomas.
They asked me to do this at a time when a radical government had taken over radical Hindu and Christians were being killed, persecuted all over.
So I was kind of a lightning rod in this thing.
And it was one of the, it's probably, I've been to dangerous places.
This was the most dangerous journey I ever took.
I won't go into the details.
You're true you were almost killed?
Several.
I will say, I will not say too many details about that part, but except that there were at least 200 people following me to get to us thousands of miles across India.
I was trying to hurt you.
Yes, trying to get to me at every moment.
But it wasn't just only in that realm.
It was that the moment I said yes to go, all I will put it in this, all hell broke loose.
That's right.
Things went crazy.
That's how the tickets to the plane disappeared.
I went to the airport with no tickets.
The travel agent had disappeared with all our tickets.
I went there, but the second plane, I'm coming from Amsterdam to India.
I'm watching pieces fly through the window.
Pieces of the engine are falling apart.
They had to go back and land because of that.
By the third day of being in India, we were almost killed.
And I'll share that.
So it was like, I've never seen so much the power of God and the power of the enemy.
The Bible says that behind the gods are spirits.
And that's what we talk about in the return of the gods.
Well, I saw that in India.
It was warfare from the beginning to the end.
And then one thing particularly happened, which is like the next thing, which is that we were going to the Taj Mahal.
And we were told when you go back, you got to go back before the fog comes down.
I mean, because it's dangerous.
Well, we were too late.
The fog went down and the driver, our Indian driver, is racing through the fog.
Racing.
And we keep coming all along objects start appearing.
We see overturned trucks, overturned carts, overturned cars.
Everything's overturned because of the fog.
They were in accidents all over.
I've never seen that.
Then finally, our car slams into a truck and the truck drags the car back and forth, swerving.
We're almost overturned back and forth.
Swerve.
We were almost killed.
Finally, it stops.
The car was damaged.
This whole thing.
Now, here's the thing.
Later on, I get home and I'm looking.
I'm reading about there's a God, the God called Krishna.
He's called the trickster God.
And the thing is, what he was known for doing, his first act of warfare.
Ask you, is that what's going on right now?
I mean, Trump is experiencing strange things.
Well, there's warfare.
Is there trickster gods around?
Well, there are forces, and we'll get to it.
There are forces, even with the assassination attempt.
There are forces.
I mean, that's why there's such a war in America.
It's ultimately spiritual, ultimately spiritual.
Well, this particular God, Krishna, was known for one thing, for turning over vehicles.
Oh, wow.
And the thing is, where I looked, where he was, where, according to the mythology, where he was born and where he hung out was on the very road that we were on from Delhi to a place called Agra.
That was his place.
So here, now the thing is, that made me think I'm thinking to the mystery of the Bible, because the Bible says that behind the gods are something called the Shaddim in Hebrew.
That doesn't mean mythology.
There's mythology.
We know that.
But there are spirits behind it.
And that means an entity, an actual entity.
And then when it was translated into Greek, in the New Testament, the word Shaddim became the word Daimonia.
We get the word demon from it.
So the thing is behind.
So now this is before, you know, this is what we are almost killed.
This is how real it is.
Almost killed.
And that was just like the beginning of this journey through India with the gods.
What happened when you got to the top of the mountain?
Yeah.
The whole journey, everywhere I'm going, they're literally, they've taken me in the footsteps of Thomas.
And everywhere I'm going, there are thousands of Indian people waiting.
And at one point, they even had an elephant waiting to put a garland around me.
It was great.
It was crazy.
It was like in a movie.
And so we went through all these footsteps.
And as we're going, it's getting more and more dangerous.
And finally, we're supposed to go up the mountain where Thomas was killed, martyred by radical Hindus.
And I'm working in those footsteps.
Well, you don't want that to happen.
Well, I didn't want that to happen.
But as I'm going, and so as we're getting ready, the chief of police of the city says, we're going to have commandos all over you, all over this, because there was persecution was heating up.
People were being killed, as we're heading to that day.
So we head up the mountain.
And by the way, the chief of police was a Christian of that city, of the city of Madras.
And so we go up and I get to the top of the mountain.
And there they have the flame of Thomas is waiting, like, it's in a kind of a shrine, the flame of Thomas.
And they go and they get the flame and they hand me the torch to like, it's like kind of giving it back, you know, on top of the mountain of Thomas.
And I shared, by the way, I was supposed to go out.
They had me scheduled to go out in the crowd.
And where I was supposed to go out in the crowd, there were all these people waiting for me who I told you had been following me throughout the whole thing.
The last minute, the evangelist says, you stay here, I'll get the thing for you.
Okay, I have one more day of living.
And so they gave me the torch.
But as I'm heading up the mountain, I meet a man, an Indian believer, and he says, he says, before I came, before, he says, like a year before, he went up the mountain and the spirit spoke to him and said, there's a curse on India, and there's a curse on that, this land and this mountain represent it because that's where they shed the blood of the apostle or by that represents the rejection of the gospel and the shedding of Jewish blood.
He said, the spirit told him a Jewish man has to come to India, go up the mountain and not get killed.
Wow.
So he was going around the entire city of Madras saying this word, having no idea we were coming.
He was just spreading the word that this has to happen.
And so it happened.
So I went up the mountain.
And for those who don't know the end of the story, if you're wondering, I didn't get killed.
So I came down.
Thank you, Lord.
Yeah.
But then, then the last part of this was that when we got to the very end of the journey, I'm speaking to like tens of thousands of Indians at night, Indian people, who they'd never seen a Jewish person before.
They never, most of them weren't Christians.
Mass Exorcism Prayer 00:04:27
They had never, and I was led to, I shared the gospel.
I shared it, you know, and but I was led to sound the shofar.
Now, in the Bible, the shofar is an instrument representing God's power.
Yes.
And it says that when you're in war, it says in Numbers, when you're in war, sound the trumpet, sound the shofar, and you will have victory against your enemy.
That's what it says.
It's a symbol of God's power.
Well, this is the thing is, when I'm there, I sound the shofar for all the people for freedom, to declare freedom.
And something, as I sound it for the first time at night over all these thousands of people, something happened.
We couldn't even make sense of it.
It was like a sound comes back.
It was like a mass exorcism.
It was like a mass.
You can imagine, if you haven't seen it, if you can imagine the sound of an exorcism, imagine multiplied by thousands of people.
It was like they were screaming like blood, like spirits were being released.
All over, all over.
And the thing is, when I went home, okay, and I'm looking, I'm reading the Encyclopedia Judaica, which says that it is a long Jewish belief from the original what it says in the Bible about that, that when you sound the shofar, the spirits have to flee.
The enemy has to flee.
They actually, there's rabbinic writings where they're sounding the trumpet, and it says the rabbis, they sound it to bring exorcism.
Now, the people in India are not reading the Encyclopedia of Judaica.
No.
They've never seen a shofar.
They've never seen a Jewish person.
But it was like a mass exorcism.
And so, and this goes again to the mystery of the Bible that behind the gods, here we're in a land of many gods are the spirits.
This is the beginning of this.
And they're real.
They're real.
And by the way, I'll just throw this in before, you know, the man who was my bodyguard, who was a policeman from New York City, a retired policeman, he was my bodyguard.
At the end of the journey, we're going to have a feast and pray and give thanks.
And I'm about to pray.
And all of a sudden, he gets thrown back onto the table where the table crashes.
He's in like a seizure.
It looks like he's possessed.
It looks like he was going to die.
I mean, there was blood.
And just when I'm about to pray, and the thing is that the doctors came and all, he recovered, went home.
The doctors found there was nothing.
It never happened, never before, never after.
But he was the one who was protecting me in the natural world.
But this is real.
It's real.
This is real.
And what we're dealing in America is real because this is all going to come home to what we're actually seeing in our culture.
Behind the gods are spirits.
And by the way, once we had that thing that looked like a mass exorcism, then I gave the gospel.
We saw about 70,000 people pray to receive the Lord.
Thank you, Lord.
70,000 people.
But that's what it's about.
Praise God.
That's what it's about.
That is what it's about.
So that is like kind of the beginning of really what would ultimately lead to the return of the gods.
And now, now also, by the way, in India, and we're going to go to other lands, but in India, they have the belief that the gods can possess people and the people can become vessels or like avatars of the gods.
So we're going to see that in every land.
But that was the first.
We'll be right back after this special message.
Is there more to the world than meets our eyes?
Could powerful figures of our age be fulfilling an ancient blueprint?
Could ancient mythology be colliding in our present reality?
Are there avatars in the world today?
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Cuba's Haunted Trumpet 00:06:00
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And now, back to the show.
Before we have to leave today, let's do one more country, okay?
Cuba.
Okay, we can start.
We'll start with Cuba.
Okay.
Can we start with you?
I mean, we've got a lot more to do.
Yeah.
You just got to watch every day because this is the most unbelievable book I've ever read.
And I've read thousands of books.
Go ahead and read it.
Avatar and the haunted island of Cuba.
Yeah.
So I am at, right after I come back from India, I'm asked to go to Cuba.
And in Cuba, Fidel Castro had just opened up the island for one month to allow some religious freedom.
They asked me to come and to sound the shofar, sound the trumpet.
Well, to open it up.
Okay.
So it's a month, a month of God.
So we're journeying across the island.
Now, Cuba was communist, is communist.
But the thing is, Cuba is filled with gods.
And the thing is, it's called Santeria.
And what it is, which means either the way of the saints or the way of the gods.
And the thing is that when they took slaves from Africa over to Cuba, they kept their religion, but they kept it under disguise of the saints.
So they said they're worshiping saints, but they're actually worshiping the gods.
And so behind every saint is a god.
Behind Mary is a goddess called Oshun.
Behind another one is a God.
Everything, there's a God.
Every saint, there's a God.
The gods are coming disguise.
And so when Castro came to power, basically, they persecuted the gospel.
They persecuted it.
But they eventually, what happened is it took the gospel out from preventing the spread of this.
So what's happened since is that even under communism, the spread of the worship of the gods has gone across Cuba.
They say about maybe 80% of Cubans do worship in Santeria.
That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, they turn away from the gospel and go to a goddamn false god.
But that's what happens.
And that's what's happening in America.
That's what happens.
When you empty out God, this is when these spirits come in.
Yes.
And so let me share one thing that happened in Cuba.
But there's one thing we probably won't have time for.
And that is that even the revolution of Castro was linked to these gods.
Even in the name, and Castro is linked to one of these gods, even in a sense, an avatar of them.
I don't know that we're going to have time to go into it.
But we're out of time already.
His life was living according to the pattern of this God in Cuba.
And even the day that he was buried and the whole nation was already the day of that God, the worship of that God.
Of course.
I don't think we'll have time to go into it.
But it's in the book.
But let me tell you one.
I'll tell you in the time we have.
Let me give you one incident happen.
I'm in Cuba.
A guy comes off the street and he says, he says, we've been praying as believers on the mountains and God told us there's a curse on Cuba and there's got to be something to do with the Jewish people have to come here.
It's like the same thing that guy told me in India.
He says, and there's a mountain over this city and this mountain is cursed.
They worship the gods on this mountain and God told us that the curse is going to turn into a blessing and it's going to come down the mountain.
I said, okay, I guess I'm going up another mountain.
So the next day, I go up the mountain with a shofar, with a trumpet, get to the top.
There's a pavilion there.
That's where they have all the gods and idols and they have sacrifices.
And there's a man standing in front of the house of the gods.
And he shouts and he says, Hola, Honatan.
And I think, I said, I don't know what it sounds, but it sounds like he's saying, hello, Jonathan, but I don't know the God.
And again, he says, hello, Jonathan.
And I go to my translate.
I said, I think he's saying, I don't know him.
He comes over.
He says, I've been waiting for you.
I said, you've been waiting for me.
He says, yes, he says, and he showed, in his hand is a ceramic plate.
And in the plate is a painting of me sounding the shofar.
And the thing is, the guy says, he says, I'm a believer, but God told me to paint this painting on the plate.
And he told me to put it in the house of the gods.
He puts it in the house of the gods.
That night, the new leather strap breaks apart holding the plate.
The plate comes down, strikes the head of the idol of the chief god of Cuba, whose name Oshun, strikes it down.
The next morning, the worshipers open up their pavilion.
Find their God on the floor, just like in the Bible, Dagon, that whole story, God is real.
It's on the floor.
It is real.
Oh, of course.
And the thing, and she had a crown on, the crown is removed, and they see next to it, they see the plate of this Jewish guy with the shofar.
It struck her just where the sound comes out of the shofar.
And so the report came down.
They took it as a sign from heaven.
The report goes down and revival breaks out in the city.
People go to their churches, bring in their gods, and say, smash our idols.
We heard what happened on the mountain.
Jesus, oh, that's the power of God.
So again, the chofer, the trumpets, that's going to lead to America.
The trumpet, the gods, the reality.
That's just a quick thing.
But these are real.
Really real.
We've only got about two pages of the book.
But this beginning is exciting.
But when he comes to the time right now, order the book right now.
Yes.
Be the first ones to get the book.
Share it with your friends.
Buy one for your relatives for Christmas and everything.
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Is that all right, Rondo?
Mona must be tired.
No, these are overwhelmed.
No, I'm just taking notes.
I'm overwhelmed.
I'm just taking notes already.
The detail, Rabbi.
Yeah.
In your life.
There's no coincidence that God is using you with the Harbinger, but the detail from the beginning before the book was written, before anything came together, the detail that God placed in your life is astonishing.
If you're not wowed by this, I don't know what to tell you because you need to get the book.
You can go to the website or you can give us a call right now, 1-888-988-1588.
So, Rabbi, tell us about having this amazing, the avatar uncensored, excuse me, the whole DVD.
Eight DVDs.
Yes, eight DVDs.
This is not anywhere.
You can't get it in a bookstore.
This is exclusive.
I only do like here, very rare places.
This is not only what's in the book, what's not in the book.
So this is the uncensored content.
If you think these things are going to get explosive, which they will get, this is even more.
Plus, it has all sorts of other mysteries, which are nowhere else.
One that I put in, which is the keys, the most important keys for the end-time believer to overcome in the end times.
What does the Bible tell us about that?
Also, there's something called the mystery of days, which is a mystery that, and I'm not hyping this.
I'm not like that, may even enable you to know exact events that are going to happen and when they will happen.
And people need to know.
We have to know where we are.
There's all sorts of mysteries here that are nowhere else.
So this is real special.
You're going to not just read it, you're going to see it.
When I talk about the spirit, when I talk about what's happening on the mountain, you're going to see it.
You're actually going to see it on top of the uncensored.
So this is real special.
You can show it to churches.
You can show it to Bible studies.
You can show it to unsaved people.
They'll watch it.
So it's really cool.
So it's one, eight, one hour, the avatar on censor only.
This is exclusive.
Wow, that's amazing.
So when you order your book, you're going to also order the Avatar Uncensored 8 DVD album.
I'm telling you, you've got to get ready for what's coming on earth.
Yeah, we do have to do it.
The next two years if you're going to start to rock and roll.
We are in a dramatic time.
And that's what this all leads to, by the way, that we're in a window of time and we got to go full blast.
That's right.
These 30-minute shows are too short, Bishop.
Rabbi for you.
And you need to have 10 hours right now.
But we're going to be back tomorrow.
So be sure to watch for Rabbi Jonathan Kahn, a book.
I can't believe you wrote a book better than all your other books.
We haven't.
You keep doing it.
Yes.
By God's grace.
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