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July 3, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Bishop Ron Webb
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Abide in Christ Jesus 00:12:44
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, our special guest is pastor of Mount Calvary Powerhouse Church in Poplar Bluff, Missouri, Bishop Ron Webb.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We have an exciting broadcast for you today.
We have with us the one, the only Bishop Ron Webb.
Bishop, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
We're going to be diving into the word, but I want you to listen to this from your friend, Pastor Jim Baker, about abiding within the vine.
This is a vine.
Somebody was telling me, where was it?
In North Carolina, where the settlers first landed?
The grapevines, what, this big around?
There were six of them that big.
Six of them that big around.
Somebody was shocked at this.
They said, that's a vine.
Yeah, this is the vine from our promised land at Morningside.
We have a two-mile valley.
This is you if you stay in the vine.
See if I can get in there.
There.
If you abide in the vine, you're the branch.
A lot of people want to do it on their own.
What does abide mean?
To live, to stay.
You can't say, I'm taken off.
Your grapes are going to wither.
This is going to go.
This is going to die.
You're gone.
You need to abide in Christ Jesus, the vine.
Let me read it for you.
I am the true vine, the main trunk, all sorts of food.
And my father is the vine dresser.
Every branch in me that does not bear fruit, if I take all this fruit off here, he says, I'm going to throw you away.
I'm going to, he says, every branch in me that does not bear fruit, he takes away, and every branch that bears fruit, he prunes.
No.
No, God.
God loves you.
Whom God loves, he lets you go to prison sometimes.
Whom God loves, he lets things happen.
Whom God loves, he chastises.
He prunes us back so we'll bear much fruit.
Amen?
He loves us.
You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
Abide in me.
Stay, remain in Christ.
Abide in me and I in you as the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine.
Neither can you unless you abide in me.
You must be in Christ and you must be in the word of God.
I am the vine.
You are the branches.
He abides, stays in me.
I in him bears much fruit.
For without me, you can do nothing.
If anyone does not abide or stay or remain in me, he is cast out as a branch and it is withered.
And they gather them and throw them into the fire and they are burned.
If you abide, stay, remain in me, and my words abide, stay in you.
You will ask what you desire and it shall be done for you.
Here is the secret to getting what you want.
You got to stay in the vine.
You have got to abide in Christ Jesus.
If you don't, you are going to wither and die and be cast away.
Abide means to stay, to live.
The word lives in you.
You live in the word.
Christ lives in you.
You live in Christ.
You must abide in him.
You got all kinds of people telling you, all magic rabbits' feet and all kinds of stuff to do.
Stand this way, do this, do that.
Listen, the bottom line is you need to be in the word.
Bishop, as you listen to this for the last few minutes, abiding within the vine.
What's your first impression, your thoughts on this?
I mean, continue staying in.
You know, John 15 is in coalition with Psalms 91.
He that dwelleth in the secret place, he that abides, he that stays there.
It's not enough to start, but you've got to stay.
We live in a generation that quitted everything.
This is a quitting generation.
I mean, they start a job and they quit a job.
They start a relationship, they quit a relationship.
They start marriage, they quit marriage.
Okay.
And even in ministry, there are preachers that start in ministry, start churches, and they quit.
But Paul fought a good fight.
He kept the faith and he finished his course.
Praise God.
And what did Jesus say?
It is finished.
You got to start, but you got to finish.
And I'm telling you, abiding now in this day and time is so important.
When Pastor Jim was sharing, I thought about the Apostle Paul.
Here they are on their way to Rome and they run into a tsunami.
I mean, a storm out on the sea, but he gets a word from the Lord to stay in the ship, abide in him.
And you know what?
That safety is in Jesus today.
We have to abide in him, and he abides in us.
We stay in the word.
The word stay in us.
We work the word.
The word works for us.
But the key in this last day that we're living in, we have to encourage people to abide.
I'm going to ask you a tough question.
Uh-oh.
Because a lot of people are listening to you, but they're not identifying what removes us from the vine.
Can you identify three things that as Christians, we remove ourselves from the vine thinking that we're going to grow without the source, meaning the word or relationship with God?
As a pastor for many years, what have you found that you can identify three things that Christians remove themselves and they walk away from the faith?
Well, sometimes pride, the pride of thinking that you can do it without God.
And none of us can do it without him.
The Bible says the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but they're mighty through God.
And we have to realize they're not mighty through us.
They're mighty through God in the pulling down strong hopes.
So pride, amen, the number one thing, you got to humble yourself and realize that we can't do this without God.
Amen.
Except you abide in me and my word abide in you.
Amen.
Then it's not going to happen.
The other thing is pressure.
Pressure.
We live in right now.
This has been called the age of anxiety.
Wow.
And you know, who is it?
The prophet Daniel prophesied that in the last days that Satan shall wear out the saints of the most high God.
And one translation says the enemy comes to crush your spirit.
Have you ever seen a time where people are giving up because they're overwhelmed with anxiety?
And Paul says, what?
Be anxious for nothing, but in all things, with prayer, supplication, and with thanksgiving.
And that word anxious there is don't worry about things that haven't happened.
And another translation says don't worry about things that may not ever happen.
But see, anxiety, number one, pride, and then anxiety, and then, you know, overwhelm with pressure.
I've never seen a time where there's so much pressure.
What is a man or woman of God to do during this time of intense pressure?
Because a lot of people are burying their heads in the sand.
They're turning off the news.
They're turning on their social media.
They're disassociating.
They're leaving their families.
They're leaving their jobs.
They're trying to figure out, what in the world am I supposed to do whenever it feels like the world's collapsing on me?
That's a great question.
First of all, Jesus says, in this world, you're going to have tribulation, but be of good cheer, for I have overcome the world.
But the question was asked, what do you do when all hell breaks loose?
Well, we just heard it at the beginning of the show.
Abide in him.
And as long as we're abiding in him, I don't care what hell throws at you.
You'll bounce back every time.
Because greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world.
Praise God.
Amen.
Mondo, as we reach, you know, you said, was it the age of anxiety?
The age of anxiety, Mondo.
We see anxiety at an all-time high.
We see depression at an all-time high.
We see that there's actually a spike of mental health being talked about and addressed, but we don't see a spike of mental health and, you know, depression, anxiety actually going down.
We just see it being addressed more.
What is the culture supposed to do?
You came from a place where it's easy to become depressed because of the circumstances, the situations, but you've not only overcome it yourself, but you've helped other people overcome it as well.
When you come to the word, the Bible says that he gives you a renewing of the mind.
There you go.
And you take on the identity of Christ, even though you have the same pressures, the same exhausting life, but that's not your identity.
I think, Bishop and Ricky, one of the things that happens is that we become codependent, attached to that identity because we build community around identity and identity.
What happens?
You become a talking person of that identification.
The problem is that's not who you are.
Now, Bishop, you've been a pastor for a long time.
You have canceled more people than probably I have talked to in my lifetime.
You have traveled all over the world, all over the nation.
Why is it that we are so easily deceived on attaching ourselves and becoming that of identity of depress, anxiety, and therefore we don't know how to leave it because we don't know who we are without being depressed?
I guarantee you that if you saw yourself for just a moment, the way God sees you is going to change everything about you.
But why do we identify with depression, anxiety, and camp out in that land?
It's because we've allowed the culture to shape us instead of us shaping the culture.
So we succumb to the norm.
And whatever the norm is, even as Christians, we have to be careful that we don't gravitate to the world's idea of deliverance.
Our deliverance comes from the name of the Lord.
The name of the Lord is a strong tower and the righteous run into it and they are safe.
Praise God.
But we're running to sources.
We're running to the culture today, but nobody's running to the Lord.
So we medicate it.
Oh, yes.
And we stay numb to the idea that we have freedom in Christ.
But we never get delivered.
Uh-oh.
See, there's a difference in coming through the prayer line, getting prayer, and getting delivered.
Because deliverance removes you from that identity.
Oh, come on, somebody.
And then we have to begin to see ourselves as God sees us, not as culture.
It's not what other people say about you.
It's what you say about yourself.
The Bible says we are snared by the words of our own mouth.
Praise God.
So if you don't succumb to that, then you know what?
You will not be controlled by that.
Praise God.
And so when you start speaking life, people look at you like you're crazy.
Wow.
We live in a generation now is that if they can't clone you, then they'll disown you.
Listen, I was talking to a 92-year-old man the other day, and he was around his Bible study group, and he was happy and joyful, he said, and everyone around him was.
You know, John, weren't you, you know, miserable like all of us?
We're getting older.
And he said, no, you're getting old.
I got the Lord with me.
I want to live longer.
I want to be here for my great, great, great grandkids.
Faith And The Fifth Car 00:08:00
And here, he did not allow the culture, meaning the inner circle that he's in, to identify him.
Instead, he professed the word and said, no, listen, the word has called us to live life.
Right.
And then, brother Mundo, we don't give faith the opportunity to work in our lives.
We reach for stuff.
That's a good idea.
I was in a third world country and so they picked me up at the airport and I noticed the driver, every time we would come to like a stop sign, he would say, fifth car, fifth car.
Well, I didn't understand what he was saying.
And he just kind of run through the stoplight or run through the stop sign.
So when we finally get back to the compound and I said, could you tell me what was you saying?
What is faith car?
He said, faith car is car that has no brakes.
Faith car.
I said, oh, so we've been riding all through town and you running stoplights and stop signs because he says, because my brakes are not working well.
And I call this a faith car.
I said, well, Jesus, thank you for the blood.
And so this is what he said to me.
You in America don't have faith.
Y'all have credit cards.
I got to write that down.
That'll be my next post.
So I said, so what do you mean about that?
He says, you all wonder what y'all are going to eat at the end of the day.
We wonder if we're going to eat.
So in other words, he says, we have to trust God for everything.
See what I'm saying?
So here's what we do.
Sometimes we use prayer as a last-minute deliverance for us.
How many times you've heard people say, well, I guess I'll just pray.
I guess I'll just have to pray about it as if prayer is a last resort.
Come on, somebody.
Prayer ought to be the first thing you reach for.
When all hell is breaking loose, yeah.
Hey, thank God for medication and thank God for physicians.
But at the end of the day, hey, before you take me to doctors, take me to Dr. Jesus first.
Come on.
Amen.
On my way to the ER.
Let me talk to Jesus before I talk to anybody.
Yes.
Yes.
So sometimes, Brother Mundo, we don't give faith the opportunity to work because faith only works when our back is against the wall.
Oh, you can't walk around and say, I have faith.
Faith without works is dead.
See?
You know, how can you say God's a healer if you've never been sick?
How can you say God will bring you out if you've never been bound to anything?
Come on now.
How can you trust God for the next meal when you got a refrigerator full of food?
You're not giving faith the opportunity to work.
So you have to understand that we're in a, you know, we're in a generation now or in a time, shall I say, where we have to learn to trust God even when we can't trace God.
Abraham went out not knowing whether he went, but he believed God.
Amen.
Amen.
Faith is going and not knowing.
Wow.
But we say, show me, then I'll go, not go, and then I'll show you.
Wow.
That's the times we're living in.
You know, Bishop, you're writing a book right now on forgiveness.
Oh.
As we operate in faith and we're giving faith the opportunity to work in our lives, how important is the opportunity to forgive tied in with that?
Pastor Ricky, it is the number one thing in the body of Christ right now.
And it's really always has been, but we just hadn't really talked about it.
Everywhere we go, and look at our country today.
I mean, everybody's gone mad and everybody's, amen, upset.
And you can't even have a conversation with people without them going off.
Everybody's been hurt one time or another.
You have to have faith to forgive and let it go.
If you don't, it will destroy you.
Wow.
I was just in Seattle, Washington, and we left Seattle and went to Indiana.
And someone stopped me and said, I just saw you on the Jim Baker show.
And you and Pastor Jim was talking about forgiveness.
And I had to let some things go.
And a lady says she had cancer for 10 years.
And she said the Holy Spirit spoke to her.
Now, I'm just telling you what she said to me: that I'm not going to heal you until you forgive the person that you're holding this grudge against.
And she said, the moment she forgave, she went back and the cancer cells had left her body.
And she says, I'm healed today by the power of God because I chose to forgive.
You have to forgive.
If you don't, it will destroy you.
And I promise you, the number one scripture on forgiveness is you can't receive it if you don't give it.
That's right.
Jesus says you won't even be forgiven if you don't forgive.
And I promise you, you may be on the mountaintop now, but one day you're going to need mercy.
One day you're going to need grace.
And I promise you, you're going to always need a truckload of forgiveness.
Wow.
All of us.
I don't care who you are.
So you got to be careful how you deal with people that's crying out for mercy and crying out for grace because I promise you, life has a way of handing you things that's bigger than you.
And you're going to need the grace of God and you're going to need forgiveness.
Moral of the story, don't be a Pharisee.
Right.
They did not allow faith to move in their midst.
No.
They blocked healing.
They blocked the kingdom of heaven.
And listen, there's a spirit of a Pharisee in the church today, which is the accuser of the brethren.
Yes.
There is no restoration.
We don't allow forgiveness to set in because we are busy accusing and pointing fingers.
They did it wrong.
It's a religious spirit.
Oh, come on, baby.
It's a religious spirit.
Man, I'm telling you, you're in my Kool-Aid.
Come on.
A few weeks ago.
I grew up with Kool-Aid.
A few weeks ago, I was preaching or teaching rather on that same thing.
See, religious spirits is what's destroying churches today.
And they came through the Pharisees.
Even when people got healed, notice this.
They would say things to Jesus like, you can't heal them.
It's the Sabbath.
And Jesus said, I'm the Lord of the Sabbath.
Now, wait a minute, you're religious, right?
You ought to be praising God that the person got healed or delivered.
But instead, you're sitting back and trying to find fault.
Let me tell you about religion, the spirit of religion.
It has built in bondage.
It's designed for you not to get set free.
That's right.
Look at the woman.
The Bible says in Luke that she was humped over for 18 years.
Wherever she goes, she would walk home to.
And she went into the synagogue every day for 18 years.
Well, Jesus walks into that same synagogue.
And the Bible said he notices that woman that's humped over.
And he says, woman, first of all, the Bible says he saw her.
Aren't you glad to know that he knows where we are?
And he knows what we're going through.
Come on, y'all.
I feel the Holy Ghost in here.
Praise God.
And then he decreed and declared, woman, thou art loose from thine infirmity.
And the Bible said the woman straightened up.
You would have thought they would have celebrated and threw a party, but the Pharisees showed up and said, you cannot loose this woman on the Sabbath.
But Jesus always had a comeback.
He says, you loose your donkeys on the Sabbath to go and take them to give them drink.
And if I loose animal, if you loose an animal, why can't I loose this woman?
Praying for Revival 00:08:08
Come on.
Are you hearing what I'm saying?
Wow.
Praise God.
Wow.
Amen.
Now, King James uses another word.
I like King James because he cursed a little bit.
Y'all will get it later on.
But he said, listen, if y'all can loose your donkeys and your animals to go get drink, why can't I lose this woman that's been bound for 18 years?
But here's the next point.
She's been coming to your church for 18 years and you've done nothing for her.
Hello, why didn't she get delivered?
But now Jesus comes in, breaks the spirit of religion, sets the woman free, and now he's got a fight on his hand.
Oh, yeah.
That's deep.
This is good.
Bishop, I think we live in a world where they're calling good evil and evil good.
We can see across the nation right now that there are protests going on, people standing with and against the president, with and against foreign countries.
How important is unity in the body of Christ right now?
Well, let me say this here.
Romans 13 said, we should pray for those that are in authority.
I've been coming to this show for almost 20-some years.
My stand has always been in the middle, whether it's Democrat or Republican.
Well, Psalms tells us, maybe Psalms, maybe 146, I believe, don't put your trust in princes, okay?
Which presidents, kings, or whatever.
Well, there ain't no almighty president that's going to deliver us from the mess that we're in.
But we should pray for those that's in leadership.
What the people need to do as the body of Christ, that's where the answer is coming, not from the White House, from the lighthouse.
If my people, which are called by my name, would humble themselves.
You know what?
You know, whoever's in office, we have a divine obligation to pray for them.
Don't speak against the leadership that God has placed there.
So whether you voted for him or her, it doesn't make any difference.
If God put them there, then you know what?
You have an obligation to pray for them.
So here's what we have to do.
The church has to come together, man.
The world is not going to fix this mess.
They'll be protesting every six months.
And when they finish protesting about this, they'll be marching and fighting and looting for something different.
But you know what?
The answer is coming through the church.
If we can't love one another, see, we have the answer, which is Jesus for the racism problem.
We live in a divided nation now.
Now, how can we speak in tongues and can't speak to one another?
That's a problem, y'all.
Wow.
Amen.
You got to love.
There ain't no black church or white church or Asian church.
Upon this rock, I'll build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
If Jesus says, by this, all men shall know that you're my disciples, that you have love one for the other.
God is not hate.
God is love.
And we're seeing hatred.
We're seeing anger.
And man, it's about to be a civil war in the United States right here.
But the church has to rise up.
This is the greatest hour of the church right now.
Amen.
And what are we doing?
We're sleeping, spiritually asleep.
We got to wake up.
You think within the midst of this, the church can still have revival?
Absolutely.
I believe it's going to push us to revival because it goes back to the question that you alluded to a few moments ago.
Why is it that people are not really getting delivered and set free?
It's because they're reaching for the culture's way instead of the word.
Man, I believe we're seeing pockets of revival right now across America.
I was at the Asian community in Seattle, Washington.
It was absolutely phenomenal.
It was a new experience for me.
hunger is everywhere and God shows up where there's hunger.
Amen.
He that hungers and thirsts after righteousness shall be filled.
Praise God.
Hallelujah.
Amen.
I love preaching to hungry people because they're not like Fat Abbott.
They're not stuffy Christians.
So they'll reach out and they'll eat.
Come on, somebody.
Amen.
Bishop called Ricky.
He said, I'm in town.
Can I join you guys?
Yes.
And this is what you got.
You got some gospel that will set you free.
You got some kingdom talk that will set you on fire.
And listen, we got to stand together, support one another, pray for one another.
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But we can't do it alone.
Everybody's talking about so much.
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Amen.
Christian television is important.
It's important to be able to broadcast the gospel of Jesus Christ around the world, around the nation.
I believe we are on the cusp of revival, a cusp of a great reformation.
And the Bible says that Christ is coming back for a church, his church, a church without spot or wrinkle.
Bishop, that means there has to be a church here on this earth that does not have spot and does not have wrinkle.
That doesn't mean everyone inside of it is going to be perfect, but it means we are constantly looking to the one who is perfect.
And we only can do that by abiding in him.
Amen.
That's why we got to stay in him.
We have to remain.
Abide means to remain.
We cannot get disconnected from the vine.
You know, we look at the demographic of the people who watch our show.
We have a wide variety of people.
Some of them believers, some of them not believers.
Bishop, if someone's watching today and they say, I want to give my life to Jesus, what would you say to them?
I would say, what better time than right now?
Amen.
Praise God.
I mean, welcome to the kingdom of God.
I would say, if you call upon the name of the Lord, you confess your sins, you can be saved right now.
You don't have to wait, you know, an hour or two hours, and you don't even have to go to a church building to get saved.
But after you get saved, you will run to the house of the Lord because that's where your strength comes from.
Amen.
If you want to pray that prayer today, we'd love to pray it with you.
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If you call that number, we're implementing a new portion of our phone system where people can now do prayer requests and a member of our pastoral staff will call them back.
We'll spend some time and pray with you.
We'll help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
If you have just said yes to the call of God on your life and you're saying, well, I want to get plugged into a good, full gospel, Bible-believing church, we're willing to help you find that church in whatever area you are.
Because Bishop, I lived in Alaska for a few years, about three, four years of my life.
Hey, there's good Bible-believing churches even in Alaska.
Amen.
If I can find one in Alaska, I can find one anywhere else.
I know that's right.
Amen.
We want you to know Jesus.
It's the most important decision you'll ever make in your life.
Again, Bishop, a quick synopsis.
You're writing a book right now.
Do you have a rough timeline, maybe an estimate when you think it might be released this year, maybe early next year?
Hopefully at the end of the year, around Christmas is a target date.
But there's so much, and the stories we're hearing, the interviews, it's just, it's amazing.
And what's the book about?
It's about forgiveness.
Amen.
Yeah, Pastor Jim and I are co-authoring together, and that's exciting.
But I'm telling you, it's probably one of the most challenging books that I've ever written in my life.
Amen.
A book by Pastor Jim Baker and Bishop Ron Webb on forgiveness.
Hopefully, it can come out at the end of this year, targeted around Christmas time, if not early next year.
We want you to look out for this.
We're going to have Bishop back more as we interview him about the context of this book.
And maybe you and Pastor Jim can sit down for an hour or two and just talk about it as well.
Yeah.
We'll record it and we'll put it out there to our partners.
Oh, you remember this, guys.
As you go about your day, never forget this.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you.
God bless you.
Thanks, Bishop.
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