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June 25, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Baker Show with Ben Diaz Part 2
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Breaking The Cycle Of Pain 00:13:35
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, Pastor Ben Diaz talks about radical healing, breaking the cycle of pain.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
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Back in the old day, my dad would have said, don't touch that dial.
That's not a thing anymore, though.
We don't have dials.
I actually just got a new television for our church.
And Mondo, I was looking for the remote control.
This is not a joke.
It did not come with a remote control.
So how do you operate it?
It had a QR code.
It says, scan the QR code to download the remote control.
There's an app on my phone that I can control the television with.
That's cool.
But I like the old school remote control, you know?
So don't swipe from that screen.
Don't click out of the Facebook Live, whatever it is.
We want to bless you with the show we are going to have today.
Mondo, an incredible show, one with Pastor Ben Diaz talking about radical healing.
That's right.
Yeah, that's why we're called to take every single thought captive because it was the old adage, what happens in your mind will happen in time.
If you dwell on something, it's bound to happen.
That's why I was talking the other day during one of our podcasts.
I said, you know, we have become so sin-focused in the United States of America right now.
We see Barna studies where 80% of men are admitting to having pornographic addictions within the church.
And those are men who are willing to admit it.
So that number will be higher.
But it's because you're walking around every single day.
You know, people are struggling with alcoholism.
People are struggling with nicotine addictions.
They're walking around every day thinking, how can I avoid sin?
They're sin-focused.
We need to be sun-focused.
The minute you put your perspective back on Christ, I knew a man who was just talking to me the day.
He said, my grandma wakes up every day and talks to the devil.
I said, brother, what do you mean?
She's a woman of God.
What do you mean?
He goes, every day she wakes up and she says, devil, you're not going to do this.
You're not going to do this.
You're not going to do this.
And her days are never that great.
And I said, brother, you know, maybe call her and you should tell her.
You know, instead of saying, hey, devil, hey, devil, hey, devil, hey, devil, wake up and say, Jesus, I give you full reign of my life today.
Holy Spirit, I want you to guide me today.
You know, I think there's a time and place for telling the devil to step back, but maybe not every morning, right?
First thing in the morning.
No, but listen, it's so fascinating because a lot of the things that we deal with in the outwardly usually comes from within.
Yes.
I was attached to smoking cigarettes since I was 10 years old, all the way up to in my 20s, not understanding that it was not the addiction so much that was killing me.
It was the unforgiveness and emotional connection to my father.
Yeah.
And my father smoked cigarettes.
So when he walked away, the closest thing I had to connect cigarettes with was with my father.
And that was in my heart.
The moment I dealt with the unforgiveness towards my heart, towards my father, it's the day that morning, I never smoked a cigarette since.
Yeah.
You know, we live in a world that's counterculture.
We live in a world that's caused light, darkness, darkness, light.
Everything's backwards.
I want to say this.
I want to say it very clearly.
Sin will always feel like freedom until you decide to let it go.
Why?
Because the devil is going to bait you with whatever it is he knows that you love.
He's not going to give you something you don't like and expect you to sin.
No, he's going to bait you with what he thinks you like.
It'll always feel like freedom.
But friends, that's not freedom.
I've seen a lot of people walk away, went to a great Bible school, and I've seen people walk away from the faith entirely.
I'm not just talking about ministry.
I'm talking about from the faith.
And I've had the conversations with them to say, why have you chosen to walk away from the faith?
And they say, well, this is where I feel most free.
And of course, you're going to feel free, friend.
Of course, the devil's going to make you think you're free right now, but doing drugs every weekend and drinking to the point where you can't stand anymore, you know, that's not freedom, brother.
Try to stop and you'll see that that was never actually truly freedom.
Pastor Ben, we're talking about radical healing.
We see this as an issue in the church younger generations as well.
They think I can have it both.
I can ride the fence.
I can have a foot in the world and a foot in the kingdom of God.
I can go, you know, get blackout drunk on Saturday night and show up to the pew on Sunday.
That's just the reality of it.
I can go do drugs that are mind-altering and I can come and show up and still lift my hands and there'll be no issue with it.
I can have a little bit of both, but that's not the reality, is it?
No, that's not the reality.
You know, I think that's a wrong idea of grace.
It's grace abused, grace taken, you know, and abused.
And that's not what it's for.
Grace isn't just to pull us out of the hole we were in, which some people think, like, oh, it's unlimited grace.
Let's go into the hole every week, right?
Like that.
No, grace is the fuel that empowers us to live righteously.
It's the fuel that empowers us to live a righteous life and to show people what it should be like and to be a light unto the world.
And so grace empowers us to do our destiny, our calling.
We can't do anything apart from grace, but if we're using grace to get out of the hole every week, then we're never actually building anything.
That's right.
Yeah, it says where sin abounds, much more grace abounds.
And a lot of pastors will stop the sermon right there.
But I said, that's not where the letters stop, though.
Continue to read.
It says, so then, therefore, should we continue to sin?
Absolutely not.
That's what Brother Paul says.
It absolutely not says it here in the CSB.
And I love that.
You know, radical healing.
We're talking about this.
I'm facing a generation.
And when I say generation, I'm not talking about just an age group, but I will talk about mine just for a moment.
My age group, 27 and younger.
I'm Generation Z.
I think I'm outside of the millennial bracket.
I'm Generation Z suffering with depression, riddled with anxiety to the point where they don't want to go in social gatherings.
They are having something.
And I realize this has to be an internal battle that they're fighting right now.
There has to be brokenness and unforgiveness and non-healing.
But how do we tell a generation that thinks that they're whole that they need healing?
Yeah.
Well, you know, the fruit, you know, the fruit says it all.
Right.
And so we have an over-medicated generation of people, right?
People are more medicated on antidepressants and all kinds of things.
And they're getting younger and younger and younger, and they're on these medications or any other form of addiction, you know?
And so, you know, it's not just about removing the pain, it's about becoming whole.
And when we just focus on just removing the pain, then we'll go to whatever removes the pain.
Like you were saying, you have friends that say, well, this makes me feel very free.
Yeah, sure.
You know, alcohol does that, drugs do that, all that stuff does, but it comes with a sting, right?
That's right.
It comes with a consequence.
It comes with its own judgment, right?
Sin has its own judgment, right?
And so it comes and bites them in the back, you know, whether it's a hangover the next day or bad decisions they made overnight or whatever it is, there's always a consequence to that.
And so it's not just about removing the pain because, you know, there's legal and illegal ways to cope with things and with pain.
But whenever we're relying on anything else, that becomes an idol.
That becomes something now before the Lord.
That becomes now, you know, an addiction, whether, you know, whether it's scrolling on the phone or whether it's, you know, pills or whether it's drugs, whatever it is.
And so what the thing is, is that that pain is pointing to something in your heart that is screaming for help.
You know, that's what pain does.
God created our bodies with nerve endings that give us pain.
And there's a purpose to pain.
There's a purpose to emotions.
And the purpose of those things is to alert us and to indicate to us, hey, there's something here that critically needs your attention, right?
If I have, you know, if I'm suffering of pain to the point where I need a medication or I need an antidepressant, you know, instead of numbing the pain, which is what most people do, I need to go deal with the pain.
I need to go ask the Holy Spirit, where is the root of this pain?
Where is this feeling of abandonment?
Where is this feeling of rejection coming?
Where is this feeling of, you know, loneliness coming?
Where is it coming from?
And then he'll point us out to those things.
And now we can uproot.
Now we can heal.
Now we can say, all right, where is this thing coming from?
Instead of just numbing it.
And that's what most people do, just numbing.
And we become experts at numbing things.
Even ministry and going to church and doing things for the Lord can become the thing that we use to numb the pain and to just pretend it's not there.
I'm just kind of like, you know, look the other way, but it's still there.
And so it's about becoming whole because the true things in our life cannot be produced unless we become whole.
It's about numb.
It's about cleansing.
We have to be purified, not just numb to whatever it is.
That's a good word.
You know, Mondo, I had an accident on my motorcycle the other day.
Someone was texting and driving and they swerved into my lane.
So I had to lay my bike down.
You know, somebody said, why'd you lay it down?
I said, because I didn't want to get hit.
What are you talking about?
Why'd I lay it down?
I laid it down.
I scratched up my back, my leg.
I ended up, you know, a miracle from God because I think I broke the drive shaft, being able to get up, ride it, you know, home, went home.
I always said, why'd you rip your shirt?
Oh, so I told her why I ripped my shirt.
That later at night, I got all the debris out of my leg.
I was in the shower.
I got all the little tiny rocks and everything.
I said, Brooke, I need this to make sure that I don't get infected because if I get this infected, then it's going to be weeks of healing rather than days of healing.
And I said, so do you have the hydrogen peroxide and alcohol mixed spray?
It's a spray.
I mean, that stuff burns on wounds.
And so I said, spray one little spray and we'll see if it burns.
If it burns too bad, I'm not going to continue to do it.
So she sprayed it in one spot.
And I thought, oh, that's not bad.
I said, just go ahead and get it all of it at the same time, top to bottom.
So she doused my entire body.
I didn't realize this was a slow reaction.
About 35 seconds later, I told her, I really said, I said, I think I'm about to pass out.
This hurts worse than the accident.
And so I went and laid down.
As I was sitting there, I was like, I was literally, I was biting my shirt.
I said, this hurts so bad.
And the Lord told me, but you want to be purified in my fire.
Wow.
And I thought, oh, okay.
It's not an easy process to be purified.
It's not an easy process always because I have to what?
I have to go and uproot those things in my life that I loved.
I have to uproot dreams that I had.
I had to uproot things that I thought God gave me, but they were my ideas.
And so I have to give them back to him.
I have to uproot love that I had for people that I realized, oh, this isn't a holy love for that person.
I had to uproot all those things to be purified.
Why?
So that I could see a refining fire being put in my life so that I could be a reflective mirror of silver.
You know, the Old Testament says it very clearly.
He is like a silversmith sitting and refining silver.
And I thought, what does that mean?
You know, a lot of people wonder, what does that mean?
Well, a silver refiner, they refine it until they see the reflection.
That's how they know it's pure.
So the question is, does the silver of your life, the thing that you are being purified, does it reflect the face of Christ?
Because that's how we know when we're pure.
Excellent question.
That is, identity is a big deal, right?
And most people don't know their identity in the Lord.
I think one of, I think our first identity, I think our, or if I could say our core identity is we're called to be children.
We're called to be sons and daughters, right?
Or should we say just one or the other, son or daughter?
Amen.
That's right.
Yeah.
2025, clarify that for me.
So you're either a son or a daughter, right?
But you're a child of God.
And Jesus gave us this example, right?
Why did Jesus have such an amazing identity and no identity issues, right?
It's because he knew who he was.
Before he ever did anything, right?
Heavens opened up before he ever did any ministry, any miracles.
Heaven opened up and said, this is my son in whom I'm well pleased.
He hadn't done anything and he was already pleased with him.
And I think people need to understand God is not pleased with us because of our performance.
He's pleased with us because you put your faith in his son, Jesus, and now you're part of his family.
Now you're a child of God.
And that alone, you know, makes you his child.
And he loves you unconditionally.
And you're his favorite.
And you need to know that because if you don't know that, you will spend your whole life working and performing to become God's favorite.
You will be performing to be loved by him instead of living a life from his love, instead of living a life from a confident son and daughter of God.
And so your identity is super important because through our life and through situations, through abuse, through trauma, through accidents, and through all this kind of stuff, things want to attach to our identity.
You know, everything wants to attach to our identity and tell us who we are, tell us what we're not, and all this stuff.
And the only place we're supposed to get our identity from is from the Word of God.
You know, it tells us in, it says 2 Corinthians 3.18.
It says that we all with unveiled face continually seeing as in a mirror, right, the glory of the Lord.
We're progressively being transformed into his image from one glory, from one degree of glory to another degree of glory.
And so it's clearly saying as the more we behold the glory of the Lord in the word as a mirror, the more we're being transformed to his image.
In other words, how do we become who we were meant to be?
You know, and it's the renewing of our mind.
And transformation happens through renewing our mind, taking our thoughts captive, remembering that's not God.
That's not what he said.
This is what he says.
But it's by being in the word of God.
We cannot get our identity if we're not in the word of God.
And we're supposed to read it as in a mirror.
And I was telling our church the other day, I said, why a mirror?
It's because in a mirror, you see yourself.
And so what would it look like if I'm seeing myself in the mirror of the word of God?
It means I'm seeing myself in the word of God.
And God is giving me new images of how he sees me according to his word instead of how the world sees me or how I see myself because of my past failures, because of my past failed relationships, because of my past brokenness, because of, you know, the accidents and the things that I've messed up.
And so all those things, you know, want to speak to our identity, but we need to get our identity from the word of God.
Amen.
That's the only place we can get it from.
Yeah.
Everything else is sinking sand.
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You know, I want to ask you this question.
How can people recognize the voice of truth amidst trauma, culture, and past wounds, Pastor?
Okay, so, you know, the voice of truth is the voice of the Holy Spirit, right?
Amen.
And so, how can we recognize the voice of the Holy Spirit if we don't read our Bible?
Impossible.
And so, the first thing, you know, is we have to read our word.
We have to read the Bible.
We have to get to know what God's voice sounds like and what the enemy's voice sounds like.
Holding On To Hope 00:11:21
And what does it feel like when I'm hearing God's voice versus how does it feel like when I'm hearing the voice of the enemy?
And one of the things is that when you hear the voice of the enemy, it comes with condemnation.
It comes with guilt.
It comes with shame.
But when you hear the voice of the Holy Spirit, the voice of truth, it comes with hope, it comes with peace, it comes with joy.
It comes with, it might come with conviction.
You know, and conviction is different than condemnation in that condemnation attaches what you did wrong to your identity.
But conviction tells you that's what you did.
That's not who you are.
You know, even for parents, like this is a big one that we learned as parenting.
Like, how do you, how do you parent under grace, right?
You never discipline them, you know, you never tell them with, no, you do, but you separate what they did wrong from their identity.
So it's not you are a liar.
No, it's like, hey, you lied and you're better than that.
You're a truth teller.
And, you know, the Lord loves the lips of truth, you know, and so you tell truth and you call people to a higher standard.
And so we need to learn how to differentiate the voice of truth and the voice of the enemy, you know?
And we need to read our word in order to be able to do that.
But one of the things that, you know, especially related to when you're dealing with trauma or cultural things or past wounds, one of the things, you know, I'll tell you about my story.
I had an accident in 2021 and it was the most horrible accident I've ever had.
I've never had any kind of traumatic thing up until then.
And in 2021, I was on a dirt bike in the desert out in Arizona, you know, and just going for a while.
And we hit some pretty rough hills and there was just a big drop.
And I went off this cliff.
And when I landed, my leg got fully dislocated, my left leg, and it was just looking the wrong way, nine degrees the wrong way.
I've never in my life experienced something like that.
I landed next to a rebar, a metal rebar sticking out of the ground.
So I know the Lord spared my life.
I know he protected me because that thing could have just gone right through me, you know?
And so it was the most horrible moment I've ever experienced.
And at that moment, I experienced so much hopelessness and so much shame.
And immediately the voice of the devil came to me.
And it's amazing because I have never experienced anything like this.
I grew up a Christian.
I grew up in the Baptist church.
I got filled with the Holy Spirit at 13.
And I have not known what it's like to not have the presence of the Holy Spirit or to feel hopeless or to feel this level of shame ever until this moment happened.
And it was so heavy and it was so dark.
I've never experienced anything like that.
And I remember saying to myself, this is probably what a lot of people live like every day.
And it is horrible.
And so in that moment of hopelessness, all these images about my future started to come in.
And these images about my future were telling me, yep, you're going to be in a wheelchair, handicapped, not going to be able to do anything by yourself for the rest of your life.
And these images were coming.
And immediately the Holy Spirit comes to my rescue and he says, nope, you got to change the image that you're looking at.
That is not your new image.
And he gave me a new image.
And he gave me an image of myself just running on the beach, you know, like just running and playing with my kids and jumping around.
And I remember saying, like, this is the life of their situation.
I need to hold on to this image that the Holy Spirit gave me.
So God is always trying to give us his image and his view and perspective.
The Bible tells us that he will guide us with his eye.
Now, that means he's going to guide us when he gives us his view and perspective of things.
We're seated in heavenly places.
So we have a higher place to be seated from.
But we live life from like on the ground, boots on the ground, right?
All the time we're just right here.
And a lot of times those things get overwhelming, like me in that situation.
And the Lord said, nope, you need to come up here in your heavenly seat and you need to look at things how I see him.
And he starts guiding us with his eye, with his view and perspective of things, his view and perspective of me.
And I need his vision.
I need his images because those images, if I don't protect them, they'll go deep into my heart and they'll start creating things to guide me.
We're guided by our eyes.
And so anyways, in that time, right there in that moment, you know, I felt so hopeless.
Holy Spirit came to my rescue.
I recognized that's the voice of the devil and that's the voice of God.
And I'm going to take the voice of the Lord from me because there's no other hope at this moment.
You know, helicopters came, they medivaced me out of there.
Many surgeries later, many procedures, lots, probably 50, 60 sessions of physical therapy and everything.
You know, I'm healed.
The Lord healed me, spared my life.
And, you know, I thank God because I would have lost my life, my purpose.
I would have gone into depression easily had I not listened to the voice of the Holy Spirit, the voice of truth.
So, you know, fast forward a little bit during this process, I developed a fear of being in cars.
Now, I had to go to physical therapy every day.
And my wife became my full-time caretaker and she would drive me.
Now, I'm from Mexico City.
I don't have an excellent driving record.
If you've ever been there, you know, they drive crazy.
And so I learned how to drive that way.
And I've, you know, I've never had many accidents.
You know, maybe I'd had a couple, you know, not very serious accidents, car accidents, you know, not many, maybe one speeding ticket, something like that.
But anyways, the point is my wife has an excellent driving record.
You know, my wife has never been in an accident.
And she was my driver during this time.
And I remember getting in that car and for no reason, you know, I would be holding on to that seat like my life dependent on it.
I was like so terrified to drive 10 minutes to physical therapy with the most excellent driver I know with my wife.
And yet I was terrified.
And then after, you know, a couple months, somebody told me, yeah, that's PTSD.
That's post-traumatic stress disorder.
Like you, you've had some trauma and that's why you're so terrified of being in the car because it makes no sense, right?
She's an excellent driver.
She's never had an accident, but I was experiencing some trauma.
And so I know better.
I know what to do.
I know I have to deal with my heart or this is not going to go away.
I can't medicate this.
I can't, you know, just distract me.
I can't.
Most people will try to just do behavior modification and kind of like, what can I do to cover this up, to numb this, right?
But I knew I need to deal with my heart if I wanted this thing to go away.
And so called some friends.
They came to pray with me.
We discovered, you know, where it was coming from, where this fear was coming from, where this lie was coming from.
I gave it to the Lord.
And in just about an hour's time, you know, I felt this heavy, heavy thing lift off of me.
I've never experienced this, you know, and it's just lifted off of me at that moment.
And all the fear from being in the car went away instantly.
Like I'm talking about instantly, because when you do deal with your heart, you know, and you have that breakthrough, you know, the change is instant.
What you're feeling and experiencing is instant.
It's different.
It's night and day and it's never the same.
Amen.
You know, there probably is someone who is watching this who has been through a traumatic situation.
They may be facing something like PTSD and they're saying, I have not been able to overcome this.
What would you speak into their life right now?
You know, I would say God has a new image for you about you.
And you need to ask the Holy Spirit.
You know, the Bible tells us that He, the Spirit of truth, would lead us into all truth.
And this is the time when we come and we say, Holy Spirit, I need to hear your voice and I need to see how you see me.
And so you can do this right at home, right?
Wherever you're at, you could just pray and ask Holy Spirit, you know, I've never been the same since this happened.
I've never been the same since that situation or this accident.
And I don't want to live this way anymore.
There's not abundant life, you know, I don't in this area of my life.
There's no hope in this area of my life.
And you need God to give you a new picture to stare at.
You know, earlier when Ricky was talking about, you know, images that we see, images that we have, and the things that we put in front of us, right?
The things that we're saying, yes, you know, I don't want to be like that.
Oh, I don't want to be like that.
And the lady that would talk to the devil and say, devil, and they were being sin focused.
And many people are fear-focused and they're always thinking about the thing that they're fear.
And they're being, you know, paranoid focused and they're being world focused and what the world is saying, what the news are saying.
You're focused on those things, even though you know the word of God or you're focused on what happened in the past and that's all you see.
But the problem is that what you see is leading the direction you're headed to.
And so you need a new image from the Lord and you need an image about how he sees you and how he sees the rest of your life.
And then you need to meditate on this image.
And as you do this, you will start experiencing transformation and new feelings and new emotions that are now confirming that your heart is healed.
And so, you know, I just want to say, if that is you today, just go ahead and just ask the Holy Spirit, say, Holy Spirit, I need you to give me a new image about this area of my life.
And he will give you a picture.
Wherever you're watching this from, he'll give you a picture.
And that picture is the one that you need to keep before your eyes of saying, I used to feel that way or I used to think this, but this is the new picture that God has given me about my life.
And this is the new picture that I'm going to keep in front of me.
It's not just a vision board.
You know, we love vision boards, but this is about the picture that you see about that situation when you close your eyes and when you walk away.
Amen.
I want to encourage you to give your life to the Lord today.
If you're in Christ, you're a new creation.
You're a new creature.
Like Pastor Ben has been saying, you have a new identity and it is firmly rooted in Christ Jesus.
I'm telling you, Maro, this is an incredible book, Radical Healing by Pastor Ben Diaz, winning the battle for your mind, will, and emotions.
I want you to be able to get this book.
You can go to our website.
It's jimbakershow.com or you can call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588 or scan that QR code on the screen, Pastor, as we exit the broadcast today.
Radical healing, what's one last thing you'd leave with our viewers?
Well, I'd love to pray with anybody.
You know, if you've never received Jesus, your Lord and Savior, that is the first thing that you need to do.
That is the first thing.
That's when we're translated from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light.
That's when we actually have hope for an abundant life.
And so if you've never received Jesus in your heart, if you've never made him the Lord and Savior of your life, just pray this prayer with me and just say, Dear Jesus, thank you for dying on the cross with me.
Thank you for paying for all my sins.
I repent for my sins and I ask you to wash me in your precious blood.
Would you come in my heart and be my Lord and Savior?
Thank you, Father, for sending Jesus.
Thank you for making me your son today.
In Jesus' name, amen.
Amen.
If you prayed that prayer with Pastor Diaz, I want to say welcome to the family.
You can call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We'd love to partner with you.
We'd love to get you in a good Bible-believing church of someone who preaches the full word of God.
Because friends, we don't have time for lukewarmness and we don't have time for a watered-down gospel.
Jesus is coming back.
So we don't want you to remember this.
God loves you.
He really does.
Until next time, we'll see you.
God bless you.
Pastor, thank you.
Thank you.
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