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June 24, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Ben Diaz
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Radical Healing Breaks Pain 00:09:29
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, Pastor Ben Diaz talks about radical healing, breaking the cycle of pain.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We are honored to have a tremendous guest with us.
But before that, I want to let you know that Jesus loves you.
If you're watching this today, it's the first time you've ever watched the Jim Baker Family Show or the PTL Television Network.
Be encouraged that there is a God who loves you.
You may be going through a trial or tribulation in your life right now.
My advice to you would be simply this: continue to press forward towards the cause of Christ.
It doesn't mean when you're a Christian, life's always going to be easy or everything's going to go good.
But what it does mean is that we have eternal assurance that the one who is good is standing with us.
You know, if you have your Bible, open it up right now.
I'm going to be reading out of James chapter 5.
It says this right here in verse 13.
I'm reading out of the CSB translation.
I've kind of grown to like that one, Londo.
It says, Is anyone among you suffering?
He should pray.
Is anyone cheerful?
He should sing praises.
Is anyone among you sick?
He should call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
The prayer of faith will save the sick person and the Lord will raise him up.
If he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.
Therefore, confess your sins one to another and pray for one another so that you may be healed.
The prayer of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.
During my time in the military, there was a lot of times there were near-death experiences.
And, you know, you have a man who maybe wasn't serving the Lord at the time.
And he'd say, I just felt like there was something protecting me and I couldn't tell you what it was.
And he said, well, do you have a grandma who believes in Jesus?
I do.
And I said, I guarantee you, it was probably her prayers.
I guarantee you is your mother's prayers.
She's saying, we want to ensure there is protection angels.
Friends, continue to pray for your families.
Continue to pray for your loved ones.
Pray for your coworkers.
Pray for the boss you maybe don't like.
Why?
Because it builds our faith.
And it says it right here very clearly that the prayer of a righteous person is very powerful in its effect.
You have power through your faith and power through a righteous prayer that goes up to heaven.
And I want to welcome you back, like I said, to watching the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, we're going to be talking about radical healing, breaking the cycle of pain.
And we're honored to welcome Pastor Ben Diaz, author of the powerful new book, Radical Healing, Winning the Battle for Your Mind, Will, and Emotion.
Pastor Ben and his wife, Kara, are the founding pastors of Vita Church in Mesa, Arizona.
And together, he and Kara founded Heaven on Earth Homes, an orphanage in Kenya, and the first of many to come.
Pastor, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Pleasure to be here.
Thank you.
Good to see you.
If this is the first time somebody is getting introduced to you via the PTL Television Network, give us a quick synopsis of who you are, what it is that you do, and some things that your ministry is focused in on.
Okay, well, a quick one would be: I was born and raised in Mexico City, 18.
My dad was a pastor in Mexico City.
And then when I was 18, we went on a mission trip, and I met my wife, and we got married.
She's from Phoenix, went to live in Phoenix.
I was a worship leader for many years.
But she had gone in the mission field as well.
And she got a heart for orphans, and specifically in a little town in Wad Bouille in Kenya, Africa.
And after returning, she always had that in her heart.
So when we got married, we thought that's all we were going to do.
We thought we were going to just be missionaries and do all of that.
But then we, you know, we had kid after kid after kid, you know, five kids.
And after having five children, we couldn't go back in the mission field.
And in the meantime, that's your business.
That's your mission field.
Yeah, I know our house is.
So if you're not reaching people for the Lord, you're creating a family.
Yeah.
And so in the midst of all that, we started pastoring 17 years ago.
And, you know, the rest is history.
We're here today.
Amen.
We're glad to have you here.
You know, I want to get right into it because you wrote an incredible book.
Friends, you should go.
We have an affiliate page with Nowhere Eye Media Destiny Image.
It's called Radical Healing, Winning the Battle for Your Mind, Will, and Emotions.
I'm going to ask you this question: what is the difference between emotional pain and spiritual brokenness?
Okay, so that's a very, very good question.
And I think a lot of times is one of the major downfalls for Christians that they don't realize there's a big difference.
You get saved, and so your spirit now becomes complete and perfect, right?
Like we are born again out of the spirit, but there still needs to be a heart transformation, right?
That comes to the renewing of our mind.
And so when we talk about the difference between emotional pain or things in the soul, we're addressing the soul.
And so salvation makes our spirit perfect, but the soul still needs to be transformed.
The heart still needs to be transformed from everything that we've been going through in our life from lies of the enemy, from old habits, from addictions and things.
And granted, that at salvation, a lot of people do get instantly healed from those things.
But we all know it's not all perfect after that.
And I think sometimes people make the mistake of thinking, okay, well, I got delivered from this when I got saved, but the rest, I guess, I have to suffer with and stay with it.
But it's not supposed to be that way.
That's a good word.
A lot of people do think that way, Mondo.
They say, well, this is, you know, my burden to bear now, but it's not, is it?
No, listen, you gave the perfect explanation to why we get stuck.
And I meet a lot of people all over the place that they're stuck.
I was stuck at one moment.
But then what happened is if the church doesn't know how to process you through, they keep you stuck.
I refuse to get stuck.
Now, can you give us some steps on how to get unstuck?
Because a lot of times, you know, you write a book and I love steps because steps can walk you through the process of finding freedom in Christ.
But what steps can I take to walk out of that moment and get unstuck with the trauma, with the pain, the sexual abuse, the unforgiveness?
Oh my gosh, the unforgiveness that we hold is so powerful.
And no wonder we don't heal.
So what steps can I take to begin that process?
Yeah.
So there's a lot of steps, right?
So I want to say that a lot of things do get instantly, you know, transformed.
And we love those.
Those are called miracles, right?
We love miracles.
We love when it's instant and it happens and we don't have to go through a long time.
But there's also something about persevering and seeking the Lord and this journey with the Holy Spirit, right?
We would love a miracle that takes care of it instantly, but the Lord calls us into a relationship that is a daily, daily walk.
And in this daily walk, he is perfecting us.
He is sanctifying us.
He is, you know, he's dealing with our heart.
And a lot of people don't want to deal with their heart.
A lot of people are scared of dealing with their heart and the things that are there or the things that are in their past, but God wants to heal them.
And so with the Holy Spirit, everything is different.
So the Bible says that he leads us into all truth.
So he's the Spirit of truth.
He'll lead us into all truth.
So we definitely need the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
We don't want to go into this just, you know, one, you know, hunting ghosts and hunting everything that has been in our past, you know, before.
We need the guidance of the Holy Spirit to know, okay, what is robbing me from abundant life?
You know, and I think that is one of the key indicators that there's something that needs to be addressed.
It's when there's something in our life we're experiencing that is less than abundant.
John 10, 10 says, the thief comes to kill, steal, and destroy, but I've come, Jesus came that we might have life and life more abundant.
So, if you have come to Jesus and you're saved, your spirit is perfect, which means now there's a potential for abundant life in your life.
But it's not always that way because we need to now search our hearts and go through the process of transformation, of the renewing of our mind, so that we can know what his perfect will for us is.
And if you're not experiencing abundant life in any area of your life, I just want to suggest to you that that is a key indicator that there's something in there that needs healing in the deepest parts of your heart.
You know, you mentioned dysfunction becoming normalized.
So, what are some of the subtle signs that a person has let dysfunction in their life become normal and they don't want to get rid of it?
That's a great question.
Yeah, that is a great question.
You know, so let me say this: there's we know the Israelites came out of Egypt, okay?
And I want to use this illustration because it's a big one in the book.
And the Israelites came out of Egypt, which represents us coming out of the kingdom of darkness and into the kingdom of light.
They went through the desert and then they went into the promised land.
And when they went into the promised land, they had the instructions to clear the land from all the inhabitants and all the giants, right?
And but what happened is they didn't do that.
Some were removed from the land, some of the inhabitants were removed from the land, but not all of them.
And what happened is that they got used to living with the giants.
Believing in Radical Healing 00:11:59
They got used to living with the inhabitants of the land.
They conformed to the world around them.
And the Lord knew that if that happened, it would be what?
As irritants to their eyes or thorns on their sides.
And that's exactly the very thing they became.
So they became a part of their culture and they decided it's easier to just live with them than have to face them and remove them.
And that's exactly the thing that a lot of believers do all the time.
They say, you know what?
I think I'm okay.
You know, there's no abundance in this part of my life.
There's a little bit of toxic cycles over here, but I've just gotten used to living with them.
And so they live, you know, being broke or they live being sick or they live with toxic relationships and not enjoying marriage or not enjoying friendships and stuff like that because they have just gotten used to, you know, living in dysfunction.
And in their mind, it's easier to just leave it that way.
Wow.
Briz, I want to give you the opportunity to go and get this book.
Call our number.
It's 1-888-9881-588.
Radical Healing, Winning the Battle for Your Mind, Will, and Emotions.
This forward is written by Pastor Troy Brewer, a great friend to the PTL Television Network and our ministry here.
Mondo, I'm going to read through some of the other people who did some endorsements as well because this is an incredible book.
We have Rick Renner who did an endorsement for you.
Joseph Z, Lance Walnow.
We have a few incredible people.
Let me see what some of the names we've had here.
Bishop Alan DeDio as well, Greg Moore.
This is an incredible lineup of people, Chris Overstreet, and Dr. Fred Price Jr.
Just a few of the people.
Whenever you get people like that, Mondo, who are endorsing a book, I say, hey, that book can be trusted.
Because these are men who don't just put out fluff.
None of these men do.
They put out context, biblical context, biblical worldview.
Everything lines back up to the word of God.
And we want you to go and get this book.
Why?
Because some of us need radical healing.
And you may be saying, well, I've walked through my steps of healing.
I've been healed.
I'm restored.
But is your spouse restored?
Is your son or daughter?
Is somebody in your church?
This book can give you the tools to be able to help identify this in other people and help them walk through the process of restoration.
You know, a lot of times we'll be fixed ourselves so we forget other people can be broken.
How do we make sure we don't break into a cycle where we're good and so we don't care about those around us?
Yeah, that's a great question, Ricky.
We always say to people, like, you know, we pastor, and so, you know, we do marriage counseling, all those kinds of things.
And most of the times, when people come about marriage problems, it's personal problems.
And we say, hey, listen, why don't we first, instead of talking about the problem, why don't we first talk about your heart, right?
And we find out that when most people go and actually deal with their heart, the marriage problems diminish or they shrink or they completely go away because it is heart issues.
So we tell people, if you want a better marriage, deal with your heart.
If you want a better parenting, deal with your heart.
If, you know, people around you are going to rise to the level of your wholeness.
So the more whole you become, the more upgraded every relationship in your life becomes.
Say that one more time for me.
I'm going to write that down.
The people around you will rise to the level of your wholeness.
The people around you will rise to the level of your wholeness.
So the more whole you become, you know, then everybody around you, every relationship around you becomes healthier.
Because a lot of times we think it's everyone else, but in fact, a lot of it has to do with me.
Right.
And so when I deal with my heart, then I'm also bringing everyone else around me up.
You know, like a friend of mine says, you know, a rising tide raises tide raises all the ships, right?
And so that has to do with us.
You know, 1 Timothy 1:7 says, God didn't give us a spirit of fear, but of power, love, and self-control.
That's right.
Meaning, like, we can only take care of ourselves.
We can't control other people and their hearts.
Yeah, well, we are powerful people, right?
And again, it's 2 Timothy 1:7 says, we have a spirit of power, of love, and self-control.
And I think we're more powerful than we realize.
And people don't realize.
So the lie of the enemy is to keep us as victims.
If he can keep us as victims, then we're a victim of our surroundings and a victim of our environment.
But if we realize that there is so much power inside of us because the same spirit that raised Jesus Christ from the dead lives inside of us, then when you walk into a room, you can release the peace of God.
You can release the joy.
And those things are contagious.
And so we just have to make a decision and be intentional and saying, wherever I go becomes a perfect health zone.
Wherever I go, joy is released.
Wherever I go, I release peace.
And granted, there are some environments we don't have authority over, but we still have authority over our own experience and what we're living out.
That's right.
And so I think it's just, you know, being intentional and being aware, you know, we are part of the kingdom of heaven, which is an invisible kingdom.
And so in order to affect that kingdom, we have to be aware of what we cannot see, right?
It's our walk by faith, not by sight.
So I need to become aware of what's happening spiritually in a place so that when I come into a negative environment, I'm not caught up and conformed to it, but instead I can transform it, right?
We're thermostats instead of thermometers, right?
We change the temperature in a place, but we have to be aware of it.
And it's so easy to just fall into being victims of whatever environment I am.
It's very easy to just go with the flow.
And I think out of spiritual laziness, sometimes we just go with our carnal senses, with our five senses, and we just adapt to whatever's happening in there.
You really do become the people you surround yourself with.
That's why accountability, friends who love the Lord, people who are going to push you in the direction of Jesus is important.
You know, I want to ask you, what are toxic inner agreements?
And how do they silently govern someone's life?
Because we can talk about toxic agreements that are made between friends, toxic conversations that happen.
What is a toxic inner agreement?
So a toxic inner agreement is, it starts with an inside belief.
Okay.
And we're referring to lies of the enemy that he has put in your heart for a long time.
So we'll use one of these classic examples, right?
I think we've all heard him, but maybe we haven't seen him as deep as this.
But if you were in school and if you weren't doing good in school and the teacher who was an authority in your life said, man, you're just so dumb, you know?
And then you believe that lie and you go, well, she must be right because I failed.
And so that becomes a seed that is planted in your heart that in a way you have agreed with.
And you don't realize that throughout your whole life, every time now that you see evidence of, oh, yeah, I'm dumb or I failed.
It must be because the teacher is right.
I'm dumb.
You know, we start attaching all of these lies and all this false evidence to our identity, you know, and it becomes a thing that we have agreed with now for a long time.
And it's a toxic agreement that is having a direct effect in our life and everything that we're manifesting and producing and experiencing around us.
That's incredible.
As he speaks about this, I mean, there's probably some things that pop up in everybody's lives, but if someone's battling through this right now, what's a word of encouragement for them?
The key is get in the word.
Read the word.
Let the word set you free.
Let the word really unlock really the key of healing.
And then I love this, the practical ways is to get the book to help you understand how to deal with that toxic inner being.
Listen, the Bible says this, as a man thinketh, so is he in his heart.
Come on.
There's a lot of power when Jesus dealt with the deception of the heart.
And a lot of times we believe with what we have in our heart.
Listen, the subconscious most of the time controls the conscious.
And out of the heart, the Bible says the abundance of words come out.
The belief system.
I am amazed, Pastor, Reverend, that people have a core belief that keeps them from believing the word of God.
I don't understand it because when the word penetrated my soul, it changed my life.
I believed it.
I fell in love and I believed it.
Now I'm seeing Christians walk away.
I'm talking about seasoned Christians, artists, pastors, authors.
They believe something in their core that has become toxic.
Can you talk a little bit about that on how do we prevent from being toxic to the point where we lose the belief?
Because the Bible says, if you only believe, you will see the glory of the Lord.
Yet that belief has become so toxic that people walk away from the faith.
So first of all, I'll say this.
I believe that longevity in ministry has a lot to do with cultivating a healthy heart.
And I don't think a lot of people know or even in the past generations, cultivating your heart is not something that you would hear people talking about or teaching about or how do you cultivate your heart.
And so what happens is like years of ignoring things and stuffing things away all of a sudden blows up in somebody's life and it looks like a big fall into people be like, oh, that person, that minister, that fell, whatever, this happened in their life.
But it wasn't something overnight.
It was a lot of years of ignoring and not cultivating a healthy heart.
And so one of the things in order to have a long, healthy, you know, prosperous life is not just the outward things or the things that we say or confess or just attending church, but it has to do with the condition of my heart.
And I have the responsibility to cultivate my heart and nobody else does that.
Come on.
It's kind of like having a garden, right?
You have a garden, you know, and you pull out the weeds and you clear the land and you put the seeds right in and you do it.
But it's not a one-time thing.
Yeah, no.
Like you can't just let it, oh, now it's growing.
And so no, weeds are going to come out and you have to go out there and pull it out and it's maintenance, right?
And so as you do this maintenance, then you're cultivating your heart to make sure you're healthy for longevity.
Otherwise, you know, it's going to come up somehow, somewhere in one situation or another.
And so, you know, and speaking to, you know, to why some of these, you know, things happen and ministers fall in their life, I think it has to do with a heart that was just not, you know, taken care of for a long time.
Wow.
That does so power.
We allow the spiritual weeds to grow in the garden of our soul.
Well, and people are taught to just trim weeds.
So who trims?
You know, it'd be crazy if any, if you see anybody out there paying someone or themselves trimming a weed, be like, no, that's not, that's a weed.
You pull that from the root.
See, Jeremiah 1.10, the Lord showed me this when I started writing the book.
Actually, what's the reason I started?
And it says, I've appointed you to nations and kingdoms.
Some you will uproot, destroy, demolish, and overthrow.
And some you will plant and build up.
And the Lord showed me, said there's six words of instruction there.
He said, most Christians only spend their life doing the planting and the building, but they never take the time to uproot, overthrow, destroy, and demolish, which is all demolition words, which means, and it gives an idea.
I'm not saying you have to start here, but I'm saying like we have to address the demolition process because when one comes to the Lord, you know, if you come to the Lord when you were a child, there's less things to deal with.
If you come to the Lord when you're an adult, there's more things to deal with.
Make Sure Your Heart Is Set 00:02:56
But there is a demolition process of things you have to clear out of your heart in order for the word to actually take root and produce 30, 60, and 100fold.
That's right.
If anyone's building a home or if you have a contractor building your home, you know, the first thing they do is they come and clear the ground.
They level it.
They make sure it's right.
You'll never just build a home on the land that's there because it's not perfectly level.
Make sure your heart is set on a firm foundation today.
The firm foundation can only be found on Jesus Christ.
Friends, that is the only firm foundation.
The world may try to convince you that there are multiple ways to heaven.
That is not true.
Jesus said, I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life.
Nobody comes to the Father except through me.
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Acting On Knowledge 00:04:30
Pastor Ben Diaz, it's been an incredible time talking about your book, Radical Healing.
If somebody right now is saying, I have walked the Christian walk as faithfully as I possibly can, but I've never been taught by my pastoral staff.
I've never been taught by those around me, those who brought me how to remove things from my life.
What would be the first step for them to start with today?
That's a really good thing.
You know, the first thing is to identify what those things are, Ricky.
The first thing is to say, okay, where in my life is there a cycle of destruction happening over and over again?
Where in my life, something shows up again, again, with a different space, a different name, a different situation, but it's the same thing.
You know, where in my life am I not experiencing abundant life?
Or even then, where in my life am I hopeless?
Because the truth is that, you know, Christ in us is the hope of glory.
That's right.
So if there's any area of my life where there's no hope, it's because it's under the influence of a lie, a limiting belief, some belief inside of me that I might not even be aware of.
And so the Holy Spirit, you know, the Bible tells us he's the one that will lead us into all truth.
And so we need to engage with the Holy Spirit and ask him, hey, empty out of my heart everything that is false, every lie, every crooked thing.
You know, that's Proverbs 30, verse 8 out of the Passion Translation.
And it's something me and my wife pray all the time.
But in the book, I have, you know, laid a blueprint for people to get set free.
And there's a biblical prayer that the Lord gave me.
And I say it's biblical because it's all word-based, but it's just put together.
And I feel like a lot of times we have all the knowledge.
You know, Christians, we know the answers, but it doesn't mean that we're applying them or that we even know when to apply them or where to put them.
And it's like having a bunch of puzzle pieces.
They're all the right pieces of the puzzle.
They don't belong to a different puzzle.
It's all the right ones, but we don't know where to put them.
And I think like, you know, all these Christian answers and biblical answers that we have and that we know because we've, you know, we've been to church, we've been to Bible school, we've studied our word, we've done the devotions, all this stuff, but we're still experiencing, you know, hopelessness.
We're still experiencing toxic cycles and things in our life.
It's because we don't know where to put those pieces in.
And we need the direction of the Holy Spirit to say, hey, this thing that you know, that goes right here.
That goes right here.
And so I share a biblical prayer that me and my wife have been praying for a long time.
And we've seen tremendous breakthrough as well as many other people.
And so that's right there in the book.
But it's going to take some intentionality and some engaging with the Holy Spirit to go after those things.
Amen.
He says, step number one, identify it.
Friends, I want you to go and get this book.
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Pastor Ben Diaz wrote a book called Radical Healing, Winning the Battle for Your Mind, Will, and Emotions.
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We've been getting a lot more people scanning that QR code, Monda.
When I put it up there, we had nobody scan it, but I think maybe they're scanning it out of curiosity now.
So I appreciate you guys doing that.
Like Pastor Ben Diaz said, friends, it is not about the head knowledge.
It is about your heart posture.
Make sure you have given your life to Jesus Christ today.
If you're watching this and you're not a believer, we would love to pray that salvation prayer with you.
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Giving your life to Jesus will be the best decision you have ever made.
Why?
Because that means you know you have eternal security, not in you and your efforts and the good things that you've done, but in him and the perfect sacrifice that was the cross.
Amen.
I want you to remember this.
If you're going to work, if you're coming back from work, if you're in the middle of your workday right now, don't let anybody convince you otherwise.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you.
Thank you, Pastor.
We'll be back with day two with you.
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