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June 19, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Derek and Sharon Gilbert Part 2
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Partnering Faith 00:09:20
Welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show.
Today, Derek and Sharon Gilbert talk about the baptismal side of Jesus and spiritual warfare.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, here is your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We want to thank you back for watching.
Thank you for coming back.
I'm going to try that again.
Hello, everyone.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We want to thank you for tuning back into the Jim Baker family here.
What are you laughing about?
What are you laughing about over there?
The Lord forgives mistakes.
He does.
I don't know if the editing team is going to take that out, but if they didn't, they made a mistake at the beginning of the show.
If they leave it there, you saw it all happen.
You got to show that Ricky's not perfect.
We all think you're perfect.
You don't have to watch the show, but 10 minutes to find that out.
That is not a hidden fact.
By the way, what happened to you?
What?
What happened?
What happened?
Did you get in a fight?
Oh, you're talking about my, yeah, no, actually, I fractured my nose on a T-post.
I have a farm.
We're working on stuff.
It's not even a cool story.
I wish it was.
Like, I was fighting a bear, lion, tiger.
I was protecting my sheep.
Nope, wasn't doing any of that.
I quite literally, there was a T-post hanging out of the back of my truck, which is just a metal post that goes in the ground.
You put fence on.
I walked right into it.
How did you walk?
Were you texting?
No, no, I walked.
I just, you know, when you get like laser focused on something, you're trying to get something done really quick.
I just walked right into it.
My son said when you sent me the pictures, dad, I think the sheep kick Uncle Ricky.
I said, no, maybe a bull, you know.
No, it was a post.
Oh, yeah.
It was just a regular post.
It's my fault.
I walked right into it, too.
Yeah.
But isn't it like life, though, right?
Yep.
And you walk into something that you don't expect or you were not even seeing that it was around you and yet life hits you unexpectedly.
That's right.
The only thing is, don't let it knock you out.
That's right.
And here you're still working.
You're still working.
I preached a couple days later, Sunday service.
Yeah, my nose was crooked.
It was crooked when I first asked her, is it because she said it's crooked?
So I had to like re-break it back in the book.
I have a tool for that, actually, ironically.
I just have it from my Army medical supply kit.
Who carries?
I just have it.
Yeah, yeah.
So I was like, oh, might as well try it, you know, see if it works.
So what did you do?
You just grab it.
You just go in and you just break it back into place.
You break it back into pieces.
Just to re-break it.
Yep.
And so somebody asked me why I didn't go to the hospital.
I'll be honest with you.
I said, I didn't go because I did the same thing they would have done for $10,000 less dollars.
So I just did it myself.
What are you going to do, huh?
You know, it's a little tiny fracture.
Nothing that won't heal.
I'm sorry for bringing it up.
You're good.
He was trying to cover it up with makeup.
I was.
I put a little matching powder on it.
But, you know, it is what it is, brother.
What are we going to do?
We're still here.
It's life.
I'm still here.
We're still preaching the gospel.
I'm still alive.
Somebody asked me if my cow kicked me.
I said, brother, if my cow kicked me, I would be hospitalized.
If that thing kicked me right dead in the nose, I would be in the hospital right now.
But like you said, life happens.
I had somebody, I showed him a picture and I said, oh, you know, you're going to take a couple weeks and rest.
And I said, brother, I got to preach in two days.
We have work next week.
I go do hospital visits in St. Louis.
It still continues on.
We're going to still press forward and do the work we have to do.
I don't think people realize you're a pastor.
You're a father.
Yes.
You're a soon-to-be author.
Yes, right?
You're running the ministry.
You're taking care of people.
Amen.
How do you balance it all, Ricky?
It's quite literally the grace of God.
And I'll be honest with you, there's not a perfect balance to it.
There are days where I get frustrated and I have to, you know, used to have like, hey, I'm going to close my office door and don't come in unless you knock, you know, because some days I'm just sitting there.
There's days where I stop everything I'm doing and I go and put my face on the ground in our 24-hour prayer room.
You know, and people are like, well, you know, what are you doing?
Are you working?
Like, this is work and this is the most important work that I'll do.
But the balance comes not through having everything together.
The balance actually comes from giving it all back to God.
It makes me think of this.
The other day, Miss Jodi that works here.
Yes, and she came into my office and she said, are you okay?
No, I need to clear my head.
I need to go.
I got so much in my mind and my thoughts.
And she goes, Well, I know what's going to help you.
And I'm thinking, oh man, she's going to get me something, maybe something to drink.
And, you know, she walked me all the way up to the chapel.
She said, go pray.
And she said, you see that room right there?
You need to go in there and clear your head.
That's funny.
That's funny.
When you think you know, you don't know.
That's right.
And that's right.
We have that here.
It's open to our staff.
It's open to our community here.
It's open to anyone who wants to come and pray.
A 24-hour a day prayer center.
You know, we have a wonderful time in there.
The glory of the Lord really falls on that place.
So come join us.
Come pray.
It's the most important thing you can do.
That is the most important relationship you can foster in your life.
Make sure that you know Jesus Christ.
It doesn't mean you're perfect.
It doesn't mean you have it all together.
It doesn't mean you don't make mistakes.
Because, Mondo, I found in this Christian walk, a lot of people become sin-focused when we should be sun-focused.
If you're constantly walking around thinking, oh, how can I not make mistakes?
How can I not mess up?
How can I not fall down?
Well, you're bound to make mistakes.
You're bound to mess up.
You're bound to fall down.
But if you walk around in the freedom of what Christ has already done for you, you're sun-focused, your cross-focused to say, you know, how can I get closer to him?
It's not about how close I can walk the line and not sin.
It's about how far I can get away from the line and get closer to the cross.
You know what I found is the number one thing we fear is faith.
Yeah.
We fear faith because we don't believe that God can perform a miracle in our lives.
We have the faith to believe that God sent Moses with his staff and declared for the seas to open up.
But we don't have the faith to believe that God can heal us.
We don't have the faith that God can perform a miracle in our lives.
That's right.
And I've realized that a lot of times we fear faith.
Yeah.
Maybe because we're embarrassed of what people are going to think.
Maybe you're saying, oh, I tried it.
It really doesn't work.
I'm just going to be miserable and not smile all day long.
But when you have the faith to believe for the impossible, listen, if you want to know the definition of faith, just go to Hebrews chapter 11.
That's right.
That is going to give you the definition of what faith is all about and it's going to encourage you to build your faith.
This is what it is.
Hebrews chapter 11.
Now, I'm going to read it in a different version that you're used to, but here it is.
Now, faith is the reality, meaning the evidence of what is hoped for, the proof of what is not seen.
That's right.
Don't fear faith.
Have faith today.
I know, Ricky, that we walk by faith every time we get on this program to believe for a miracle for support for this ministry.
And without it, I can tell you that we will not be here.
Amen.
Without faith, it is impossible to praise the Lord.
You know, I love about it.
It's actually partnering faith too.
It's the partner saying, Hey, we have faith that the ministry is going to continue to go forward and spread the gospel and preach the gospel.
You are a part of the reason we get to tell people Jesus loves them.
You are the reason we get to tell people that Christ is coming soon and he's coming back for his bride.
That is without spot or wrinkles.
I want to say thank you for continuing to support the ministry, continue to pour into the ministry, being monthly partners with us, ordering the products because you know it goes to support our vendors as well as us being able to broadcast the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Above every monetary gift that you could give this ministry, though, continue to pray for us.
Continue to ask the Lord to give us wisdom, to the right direction to go, to give us understanding for the right choices to make, to give us the right footing to set our foot on as we journey into new ventures.
That is what I ask of you before you send any type of finances, which we are blessed because you do that.
It allows us to continue to pay the bills and allows us to continue to broadcast the gospel of Jesus Christ.
But before all of that, I would ask if you would pray for the ministry, if you would ask the Lord to shine his face on this ministry.
That is what I'd ask over everything else.
We need your prayers.
And listen, your prayers throughout the years have been the one that have sustained us.
Amen.
I love, Ricky, when I either travel or just go to Walmart and I get stopped and people say, we're praying for you and the ministry.
Stay strong.
Keep preaching the gospel.
Don't compromise.
Those words mean more to me than anything that you can do for us.
Why?
Because it allows us to keep going.
And you know what?
Prayer does work.
We're still here.
We're still going forward.
And we get to bring people like Derek and Sharon Gilbert to the program once again to remind us, what does the Bible have to say about the events that we're seeing today?
You know, there's a battle over Israel right now and it's lining up with the word of God.
That's right.
You know, we absolutely must have a biblical worldview.
We talked about this on the last broadcast with Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
We live in a dark world.
That's just the reality of it.
But soon Christ will come back.
He'll reclaim this and we will rededicate the earth for the original glory of Jesus Christ.
But Derek and Sharon, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast.
I want to jump right into this subject because this is something that is truly, you know, Mondo, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, they would have said, put on your tinfoil hat.
This is conspiracy.
Clues in the Bible 00:15:37
This is strange stuff.
But we have animal cloning that has been happening and it's actually becoming commonplace.
Sharon, you study science.
I believe it's biology.
This is a, you know, I'm just going to say what it is.
It's creepy.
You know, it's a surprisingly weird routine that we are striving to do animal cloning at this high of a rate.
So Sharon, tell me, you know, if this reminds you of anything from ancient prophetic history, if this reminds you anything of your studies as you became, I believe what is the biologist.
You have to correct me if that's wrong.
But tell me what it is that we are so fascinated about cloning.
Well, my degree is in molecular biology, and we talked about cloning even back then because all of these sheep, that's an old one.
A lot of people are having their pets cloned because they miss, you know, a little fluffy or whatever.
But it does remind me of something that happened a long time ago.
Before Noah's flood, there were experiments with DNA.
And we are told that rebel angels decided that they were going to mess with human DNA.
And I believe that they were trying to create an army, but also we talked in the last program about our inheritance rights.
Adam was originally supposed to be the steward and sit on the throne of earth.
He forfeited that in the garden.
But the rebel angels thought, you know, it just takes a human.
So how much human DNA will it take?
Let's try to take that on and we'll do some experiments.
They were hoping that they could find a way to have a perfect fit for the throne in what we call Jerusalem, the throne of Eden, the throne of earth.
But it takes a full human.
And that's why Jesus had to be fully human, but also fully divine.
There are those who believe that all end times prophecy was fulfilled in the first century.
That's a worldview or a belief system called preterism.
But when you look at the book of Revelation, when you look at the apocalyptic prophecies in Zechariah, in Amos, in Daniel, it's hard to understand how you can say all of that was fulfilled in the first century.
Jesus is going to return and he is going to set things right.
This was something that actually divided Jews of the time of Jesus and the apostles.
The Essenes, who were a community who not only had their little group that lived by the Dead Sea separated from the world there at Qumran, but there was another group that lived in the north by the Sea of Galilee.
In fact, there was an Essene quarter in Jerusalem at the time.
There were Essenes all over Israel back in the day.
The Essenes believed that the world had been so corrupted by the intervention of those sons of God from Genesis chapter 6 that it was going to take the direct intervention by God himself in the form of a Messiah, who the Essenes in their writings referred to as the Chosen One, the Anointed One, and the Son of Man, which is a title that Jesus applied to himself 78 times in the New Testament, more than any other.
In fact, when he asked his followers at Caesarea Philippi at the foot of Mount Hermon, which was the Canaanite version of Mount Olympus, you know, it's where their gods met, Jesus asked first, who do people say the Son of Man is?
And they didn't ask, what do you mean, Son of Man?
Who is this?
What are you talking about?
They knew the writings of the Essenes.
They knew what he meant.
They read books.
They read books and books that had been written fairly recently, in fact.
So this was not fulfilled.
When Jesus said, the Son of Man returns, it'll be in the clouds with great glory.
Preterism, the idea that all of this was fulfilled in the first century, said, no, no, that's just allegory, that's metaphor, that's symbolic language.
No, that is still to be fulfilled.
That is still coming.
The world is in the state it's in because we are fallen humans and many of us have decided to align ourselves with the wrong side.
We're on the wrong side, not just of history, but of prophecy, wrong side of the future.
Jesus, God himself, will come and set things right.
And that's why we as Christians need to be looking for that.
But in the meanwhile, we need to be busy about his business, preaching the gospel, sharing the hope that we have in Christ with gentleness and respect.
We know there are different views about the timing of the rapture.
We don't like arguing over that because God deliberately made end times prophecy difficult to understand because the enemy, principalities, powers, cosmic rulers over this present darkness that Paul writes about in Ephesians chapter 6, they read prophecy too.
They read the Bible too, and they're trying to figure it out.
And they're a lot older and a lot smarter than we are.
So God made it difficult for them to understand because he's the greatest general in the history of history.
He's not going to reveal his plans until they're facing him on the opposite side of the battlefield.
So let's not argue about those things.
Let's just stay focused on our mission.
We have one job, and that is to share the hope that we have, making disciples of all people and baptizing them a declaration of victory, as Sharon said in the previous program, until he returns.
Amen.
You know, Mono, we can attest to that.
We actually sat in a place where they had the opportunity to defend their point of view on where they believe the rapture could take place, and they chose not to.
And I thought it was actually a really beautiful thing to see that.
I said, hey, now's not the time or place to have our opinion or even argue why we believe that we are right.
And we were in a place where it's a bunch of brilliant people and every one of them, we probably could have talked for 12 hours about why it's right.
But like you said, it is made this way specifically for a reason because there is a very real enemy who still reads this book and is trying to figure out how they can thwart the plan of God.
Beautifully, they'll never be able to do it.
God is much larger and much more great than any adversary that could come against him.
Sharon, we talked about on the last broadcast that you guys believe that there is a different physical location of Jesus' baptismal site.
I want to ask you this question because it really got me thinking during the break between shows is why does it matter to know the location of Jesus' baptism?
What does that matter spiritually?
Because the Lord in the Old Testament chose specific sites to do specific things like Sinai.
That was the mountain of the moon God.
He was going up against the fallen realm and the giants in the Old Testament.
In the New Testament, he continues that.
And he chose these, like Mount Hermon.
He chose locations for a reason.
That baptismal site where we believe it took place is right by another fallen ritualistic location that is similar to Gilgal Raphael.
It's on a beautiful slope.
The Jordan is right below one of the most beautiful shots of the Jordan River that we've ever seen.
And we believe that that is, it's right there in the area where Derek was talking about the Essenes.
It's in practically the valley of the shadow of death.
And we believe that he did that there.
We see the Trinity itself, God, the Holy Spirit, and the Son, right there, proclaiming through this baptismal act, I am going to resurrect.
I'm going to die and resurrect again.
And I'm going to do this for those who believe in me.
And you're still dead.
Yeah.
It's in John chapter one, where John the Baptist, that is, is confronted by the priests.
Yeah, the clues are right there.
We're not the first ones to come up with this, but a lot of people, including archaeologists that we respect, still point to that site that UNESCO has designated a World Heritage Site down near Jericho, 90 miles away.
Oh, lots of money is going into that.
Yeah, yeah, the Kingdom of Jordan is spending about $300 million to develop it as a tourist site.
And God bless him because Jordan doesn't have much in the way of natural resources.
But John chapter 1, he's confronted by priests and Levites from Jerusalem, who gives you the right to do this.
The next day, he sees Jesus, and John bore witness, I saw the spirit descend from heaven like a dove, and it remained on him.
When did that happen?
Well, when he got baptized, the next day, again, John points out Jesus and two of John's disciples begin following Jesus.
One of them is Andrew, who then runs home to get his brother Peter.
The two of them, we learn from later in John chapter one, are from Bethsaida.
Well, that's two miles north of the Sea of Galilee.
So Andrew surely did not run 90 miles home to get Peter.
So the clues are all right there.
But as Sharon said, the point is this region and this site that she's mentioning specifically, just half a mile from the town of Beth Saida, is below this megalithic structure that was devoted to this cult of the dead.
And it's in Bethany or Batania in Latin, Bashan, the place of the serpent across the Jordan.
That's where Jesus, it was a declaration of victory.
And we're going there in October, October 19th through 30th.
We're leading a tour to Israel, and we'll take you to that location.
We also think that that's where Jesus fed the 5,000 because it's in the wilderness near Beth Saida, which according to the Gospel of Luke is where Jesus performed that miracle.
And credit to Doug Van Dorn.
Yes, our good friend Pastor Doug Van Dorn is the one who pointed that out.
So yeah, a lot of these things in scripture, even as Jesus walking across the water of the Sea of Galilee, was him showing his mastery over the storm god, Baal, Baal, who Jesus identified as Satan.
Also, the sea representing primordial chaos.
And then he goes across and drives the demons out of the gerosene demoniac.
So, okay, you've got the storm god, king of the pantheon, primordial chaos, the demons that he declared war on right from the beginning of his ministry, all in one series of events in the New Testament.
Again, geography matters.
Jesus did things very specifically and tactically to achieve his strategic ends, using some military terminology for human, to win this war on our behalf.
Amen.
Amen.
Tell us, again, one more time, when is it that you guys are going to Israel?
How can people sign up to go with you?
Because I know that we have a lot of partners who maybe would love to take a trip to Israel with you.
So tell us those dates again and how could they sign up?
It's October 19th through the 30th of 2025.
You can go to gilberthouse.org slash travel, and there's a link there to the Lipkin Tours website.
Aaron Lipkin, who's been a guest on your program, is the CEO of the company.
He loves archaeology, and so they've said, yes, absolutely.
We will take your group to Gilgal Repha'im, which is Israel's Stonehenge.
Then we'll take you to this other site that we've been talking about called Kerbet Betecha, which means ruins of Beth Saida, where we think Jesus was baptized.
It's on a bank of the Jordan.
There's a beautiful natural theater right there where you could fit thousands of people watching a preacher down there.
5,000.
Feed 5,000.
We will go on the Sea of Galilee.
We'll worship on the water where Jesus walked.
Jordan River, the Nazareth Village, and.
Shiloh.
We're going to see the red heifers.
Yes, the red heifers that have been delivered to Israel are at Shiloh, and we will get to see those during the tour as well.
Joshua's altar, Jerusalem, the Temple Mount, Mount of Olives.
It's going to be a wonderful tour.
Our special guest is author and lecturer Carl Tychrib, who's written a wonderful book called Game of Gods.
So this will be like a rolling conference across the Holy Land as we'll be teaching at each site and then doing special sessions in the evening as well.
So if you're interested in archaeology and, well, the historic locations of the crucifixion and resurrection, not where most tours take you, but we do a deep dive into the archaeology into the Bible to show you these battlegrounds in this long supernatural war.
So yeah, anyone's interested, gilberthouse.org slash travel.
Oh, forward slash travel.
There we go.
I was pulling it up on my phone so I can see how easy that was to get there.
Derek, I want to ask you this question.
How does this relate to the gates of hell that you describe in your book?
Well, the gates of hell was a term that Jesus used at the base of Mount Hermon when he was standing outside the grotto of Pan.
This is at Caesarea Philippi, which is a pagan cult site.
His disciples must have wondered, why did you walk us 30 miles to this place?
You know, that's like a 14-hour hike in sandals, you know.
But it was to declare his divinity.
The gates of hell, though, is not just at one specific location.
We argue in the book that humanity has been trying to contact these fallen entities on the other side of these gates since, well, going back to the flood anyway.
Going back to Cain, I think.
Going back to Cain, but after the flood, there is a long tradition of having to cross a body of water.
Think in Greek mythology, the river sticks to get to the fallen realm.
But this is also true in Mesopotamian lore and in other ancient religions, this idea that there's a body of water and spirits on the other side of the abyss, this great underground ocean, and you can contact them if you dig a ritual pit and perform the right rituals and say the correct incantations or whatever.
But today in the modern world, we're doing it through things like mindfulness or through taking psychoactive drugs or even through artificial intelligence, trying to contact the spirits on the other side of those gates to get information, power, what have you.
These gates are wherever we are, if we open ourselves up to that realm.
Well, I think there's a long war going on.
you're writing the book but going back to the garden the enemy lies the enemy tries to the enemy hates us because humans were designed to be part of the the council the divine council that the late mike heiser talked about this The enemy would love to take that place away from us, but we can't let that.
The enemy will use anything to lure us into that trap and lure us away from the Lord.
We need to keep our eyes on Jesus, and that means we also need to know his word.
Study it.
Yeah.
And I think as regards Israel, this is the fallen realm wants to blind the church to the importance of Israel.
You know, going back to Psalm 132, where God says, I've chosen Zion for my dwelling place forever.
When you remove that, when you remove the prophecy or the prophecies, plural, the Israel in the land when the Messiah returns, now it just becomes a political struggle.
Whether You Believe 00:03:41
And therefore, it's no different than any other land dispute.
And we can negotiate it away and maybe there'll be peace.
But no, this is a supernatural war that goes back to the garden and even before.
And so it's not going to end until Jesus returns at the head of that heavenly host.
Amen.
Friends, we want to make sure you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
That's the most important decision you'll ever make in this entire life.
Why?
Because we care about your eternal position more than some temporary happiness that you think you can get from the world.
And I promise you this, the world's happiness, their false sense of joy, their false sense of peace, it is exactly just that.
It's not real.
The only place you can find true joy, true peace, true happiness is in the Lord Jesus Christ.
Mondo, I know before the Lord found us and took us and made us who we are, every single one of us was lost.
Every single one of us was a sinner.
Every single one of us was dead in our trespasses.
But praise God, he took us from where we were and didn't leave us there.
The hope we have in Jesus, filthy sinners, saved by grace, his mercy, his love, unconditional favor, that's what sets us apart.
What did you say a few moments ago before we got started?
That no matter who you are, whether you're a famous celebrity or whether you're a normal person, we are all going to be judged by the sin, but we are all going to be saved by the same grace.
That's right.
There is, listen, I told people this years ago and they got offended and I may offend you again.
But God loves Marilyn Manson as much as he loved Billy Graham.
He died on the cross for all.
He died for all of us.
That's right.
It's the gospel of the whosoever will.
Without it, I wouldn't be sitting here today.
I wouldn't be.
I was a filthy sinner that deserved hell.
But his favor, his mercy, his grace came inside of my life.
And guess what?
It transformed me.
It changed me.
It's still working on me.
And I can tell you that without it, I don't know where I would be.
That's right.
Well, that's a conversation we're having is, you know, whether someone was living a lifestyle that you were living before you knew the Lord of gangs and everything that comes alongside of that, or whether it was somebody who, you know, sings in the choir for 40 years of their life, apart from Jesus, both people are sinners who are going to be separated from God.
It doesn't matter if you think you have lived a good life apart from God.
Nothing is good.
You have to have the relationship with Jesus Christ.
He made it very clear.
I am the way.
I am the truth.
And I am the life.
Nobody comes to the Father except through me.
The only reason that we can stand in the Father's presence is because we're covered in the Son's blood.
Have that sacrifice cover you today.
His blood, I've said it many times, is, you know, somebody said, stop preaching about the blood.
It might be strange for first-time visitors.
And I said, I'll never stop talking about the blood because the blood is what purifies us, what sanctifies us, what keeps us holy, what allows us to walk in freedom.
It breaks the chains.
It takes the yoke of bondage off of me and it puts it back on the cross.
But the blood is still red.
It is still hot and it's still running.
And it's still good to cover every sin, every iniquity.
And it's still good to bring you back in to the fullness of who God has called you to be.
You could be 88 years old right now and say, I haven't fulfilled the call of God in my life.
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It's not too late to start.
95 years old, it's not too late to start.
67, it's not too late to start.
Make today the day you fully press in to whatever it is God has told you to do.
Derek and Sharon, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
We're going to have you back again tomorrow for one more incredible show we're going to be talking about.
And Mono, I'm excited for this one.
It's going to be one.
Don't miss this.
You can go on PTL.tv and you can find all of our broadcasts there.
Remember this, God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
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