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April 21, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Ron and Lydia Bryce
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Dealing with Fighting Children 00:15:31
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guests are physician, Kansas State House of Representatives and owner of Coffeyville Coffee, Dr. Ron Bryce, with his wife, Lydia Bryce, and CFNI graduate and vice president of PTL Network, Brooke Baker.
Our co-host today is Reverend Wando De La Vega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Network.
We are excited you've tuned in with us today.
I want to encourage you today.
Today is the day that the Lord has made.
Friends, he woke you up.
He gave you life.
And this is a new opportunity for you to know more about him.
Friends, there is nothing more important in this world than your relationship with Jesus Christ.
It is the most important thing you have every single day.
Make sure you are leaning into that relationship.
Make sure you have the Holy Spirit in your life.
And I promise you, you may have trials and tribulations, but every day is a good day when you're serving the Lord.
Well, today we have an exciting broadcast.
We have a lot of family.
We have friends and we have people on this set who mean a lot to us here.
We have, can I introduce the first guest right here we have?
We have Evangeline Baker.
Let me introduce the very first one right here.
Here she is.
Can you say hi, Ebby?
Evangeline is one year old and she is an energetic sweet pee.
And then we have today, I have an honor of talking with Dr. Ron Bryce.
He's currently serving the Kansas State House of Representatives.
He's the owner of Coffeeville Coffee Company.
And Ron is also an actively practicing physician and retired medical school professor.
Ron, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Thank you.
You have something on your lap.
Is that yours?
Belong to someone else.
Just a little pacifier in case I get nervous.
In case you get nervous.
We have Miss Lydia Bryce here with us today as well, co-owner of Coffeeville Coffee Company, as well as an entrepreneur.
You've done a little bit of everything since I've met you.
And we have my, I'm sorry, guys, my favorite guest on this set here today.
I don't even call her a guest.
She really should be hosting the show.
Brooke Baker is with us today.
Rondo, you never get an introduction.
No, listen, when you got to.
I'll call you Reverend at the beginning of the show, and then we can.
That's all I get.
We got a beautiful family.
You seem to forget that Dr. Ron, Professor Ron, is your father-in-law.
A wonderful man, too.
He's my father.
Also, my father-in-law.
I didn't want people to judge him right from the beginning.
What happens with Ricky is that he gets nervous around the in-laws, right?
There it is.
Ron, tell us the truth about Ricky, please.
There we go.
Oh, no.
We only have an hour.
We only have an hour.
That's what I'm saying.
We only have one hour.
But Ron, you're currently serving in the House of Representatives.
It's an incredible feat.
You're now on your second term.
Is that how you say it correctly?
You've been elected now twice.
It's a wonderful thing.
What is that like?
I mean, you're a businessman.
You're a family man.
You have practiced medicine for over 25 years, 35 years.
How many years?
Close to 40.
Almost 40 years.
And now you're dealing with legal issues at a state level.
Tell me what that's like.
I tell you what, Ricky, it's a huge blessing.
And I'm very grateful for the opportunity.
But everything that I do in life, I seem to go back to my parents and how they lived their lives.
They were pastors of a church.
They ministered to people in a small church in Coffeeville, Kansas.
And I've noticed that whether I'm working in the emergency room or in a medical clinic and I'm treating people, I'm focusing on their needs and how best to meet their needs.
If I'm working in the legislature, it's all focused on how we can make people's lives a little better, how we can solve their problems.
And so to me, everything that we do as Christians, at least from my perspective, is pastoral in nature.
And so it hasn't really been that big of a transition to go from treating with prescriptions to treating with passing laws.
And so we just are very blessed to have multiple opportunities to help people.
I love what you mentioned when you opened the show.
You said that it's very, very important that we're connected, that we're together, and that is utmost importance as far as I'm concerned.
Amen.
Amen.
You have a small group of fan club over here talking.
If you don't mind, these are your grandchildren.
Tell us who they are.
People know them, they love them, but who are they to you?
Because these kids love their, well, they call you Pawpaw.
They love their pawpaw.
Okay, when we close this show, I go back to being Paw Paul.
That's right.
We have right here Jacqueline.
She's a wonderful four-year-old young lady.
That's right, about to be five years.
Very smart, almost going to be five.
We have Luke.
He's the guy with the microphone there.
He's the good guy.
He's two years old.
And then little Evangeline that you met earlier.
And of course, our daughter, Brooke.
Made all this possible.
Made all this possible.
We love family.
It's an incredible thing.
But to see the legacy here from grandparents, parents, and now they have grandchildren here.
And Jacqueline, you love Jesus?
Yes, you do.
She sings worship songs.
Sometimes at nighttime, we say, Jacqueline, now it's quiet time.
Her and Luke share a room, as you know.
And say, it's quiet time now.
You know, everyone lights off.
And all of a sudden, we'll hear at the top of her lungs screaming as loud as she can.
And she's singing a worship song.
And it's so hard because it's like, well, do I get onto her for singing a worship song?
Because it's supposed to be quiet time.
Right.
One thing, if I could just add, Ricky, and it was very special to us.
My father that I mentioned was pastor of a church in Coffeeville for many years.
He passed away a couple of months ago.
And one of the most special things that I think in his life, he was at the end of his life.
It was actually his last day.
We knew it wouldn't be long.
He would go into heaven.
And he left this earth with Jacqueline singing Jesus Loves Me to him.
And I couldn't think of a better way to live a happy, fulfilled life and have my great-granddaughter singing to me as I entered the Pearly Gates.
So I appreciate Jacqueline for that.
Amen.
She does have a love for Jesus.
You know, you're doing a lot in the Kansas house right now, and you're fighting for children.
Or we see a lot of people.
They're fighting kind of against children for other reasons, but we do have a good group.
We do have a remnant in our political system who are fighting for life.
They're fighting for children.
Dr. Ron, you're one of those people fighting for children.
And if you don't mind, can we just dive right into that?
I think I'm going to take the kids and I'm going to pass them off to the next echelon of care right here because now they're going to get rowdy.
So, Jacqueline, you want to go with Miss Dawn right here?
There we go.
Ricky, let me tell you one thing that's been one thing that's been a blessing to me in the Kansas House of Representatives is there are so many Christians in the Kansas House of Representatives and in the Senate.
When I went and I was first elected a couple of years ago, I didn't realize how much support we were going to have from Christian brothers and sisters.
We get together early in the mornings.
There's about 30 or 40 of us typically.
We pray.
We study.
We have guest speakers.
And when you're facing tough legislation that deals with children, like you said, abortion, transgendering children, parental rights, it's...
We have this little boy running around behind you.
We can't control the guys.
We're dealing with children right now.
That dude does whatever he wants.
There we go.
There he goes.
I love how we have to try to figure out how to take a serious topic.
We got a little boy right now.
But you're dealing with parental rights, too.
Dealing with parental rights because one of the things that fascinated me was many times children, especially in schools, go to medical clinics, they have care, they have medical treatments, they have even medications and shots, and the parents know nothing about it.
And this is a state-by-state-by-state thing.
One of the things I did last year was I helped attorneys help me, but I wrote a bill that would provide the necessity for parents to know or at least give consent for treatments given to their children in public clinics in schools.
What type of treatments would those be?
I just want to make sure we're clear on that.
Where this came from, I'll tell you just a quick story.
Please.
I had a constituent, and she's not a conservative.
I don't know if she's a Christian, but she came to me.
I'm a conservative Christian.
She came to me and she said, You've got to help me.
My daughter's going to this clinic at a school, and without my consent, she's being given hormones, she's being given mental health services, and she was afraid of what was happening to her daughter, and she was completely out of the loop.
At first, I couldn't believe that was true because I've worked so many years in emergency rooms, and we always ask parental consent.
I mean, unless a child is dying right there, and we go ahead and do what we have to do.
But if the child's not dying, we wait and we get the parental consent.
And I thought that was the law of the land.
I honestly did, after years and years of doing that.
But it turns out it's not the law of the land.
There's something in legal terms called the mature minor doctrine to where consent is given to minor children and the parents are out of the loop.
So that was one of the things that we really fought hard for, and we really came up against opposition.
I can't imagine people being against parents knowing what's going on with their children, but there were people that were opposing us.
That was a pretty fierce battle for two or three weeks in the legislature last year.
There are many, many child-related, there was transgendering of the children that came up this year.
I was very happy to kind of champion the debate or lead the debate in the state of Kansas to have no surgery or medical castration, basically, of minor children.
And that was a huge battle.
We were up against huge well-funded organizations, medical organizations, school organizations.
But thank God we passed it.
The governor vetoed it because we're up against a liberal governor, but we were able to muster enough votes to overwrite her veto.
And so the first thing we did in the state legislature this January was to overwrite her veto.
And now in the state of Kansas, it's illegal to have surgical or medical manipulation of children to change their gender.
Wow.
Mondo, you're a father.
Your children are 15 now.
They're going to be 16, I think, this year.
They're going to be 15.
They're going to be 15 this year.
I'm bad at math.
Man, you're trying to get my kids to grow.
They're going to be 15 this year.
I mean, could you imagine a world, Mondo, where they can go somewhere?
And they go to a really great Christian school.
So I wouldn't even think this would happen there.
But if they didn't go there, could you imagine a world where they could go get hormone blockers without you even knowing about it?
No, I think we're watching something that America has never known how to fight against.
Because to think that you give your children for eight, maybe 10 hours a day, not knowing what's going on, what they're being taught, the direction that the kids are learning to go through and what they need to understand is scary.
Because when you hand over your kids to a system that you think is working with you, not against you, and then at the end of the day, your kids come in with a different thought, different process.
They look different.
They talk different.
They even act different.
Now you have to start over again.
You know how exhausting it is to fight against someone that has your kids all day long, and then it feels like you have to start the wheel over again every single day.
I can't imagine.
I cannot imagine that America would allow something like this to happen that would change everything about them, their character, because we're living in a time right now that education is even at the forefront of children's fight.
That's right.
And when people think that everything is okay, just like you mentioned, Dr. Ron, we always thought that the system was working for us, not against us.
And here you're in the middle of a fight that you woke up one day and say, wait a minute, we've been taught differently.
And where do we go from there?
How does a parent even parent nowadays?
I guess, you know, they used to say parenting was easy in some ways.
Today you have to be a parent and have a lawyer next to you.
Because nowadays you can't just parent what your father, your mother, your grandparents taught you, the values, the ethics.
Now you have to have a lawyer with you to make sure that your values are correct.
That's crazy.
We have seen that across many states.
We've been talking about this and championing this on this broadcast many times.
And you are a part of this.
Go write your representatives.
Go write your congressman.
Go write your governor.
Get as many letters as you can.
Because, friends, we need common sense law back in the United States of America.
We need to use common sense that it makes sense that if a minor child under the age of 18 is trying to do something that their parents would have the ability to know about it.
Another thing, as you were talking about, is you guys passed a law that says there's no castration of children under the age of 18.
In no way have, I've realized the lawmakers, they say, when you become an adult at the age of 18, it is now up to you.
It is your responsibility.
If you want to go buy a pack of cigarettes, go buy a pack of cigarettes.
If you want to go do a life-changing surgery, go do that life-changing surgery.
We're talking about the issue of children here.
Children, the innocent ones, our next generation of lawmakers, our next generation of presidents, our next generation of doctors, we're fighting for our children.
Grandparent, if you're watching this, if you won't write that letter for yourself, write it for your grandchildren.
If you won't write it for your children, write it for your grandchildren.
Because there is a generation right now who the devil would love to have, who the devil would love to ruin their lives before it even begins.
But we're the gatekeepers.
We are the people of faith.
We can't expect the world to hold our standard.
You cannot expect a non-believer to hold a Christian standard.
Go run for office.
Go write your letters.
Do whatever you can to make sure your voice is heard, that the faith position always has a position in our House of Representatives, in our Senates, in our Congress.
Friends, we need to make sure that we have our voice heard.
You said almost 40 years of practicing medicine, and then you just decided, hey, you know what?
I'm going to do something that'll probably cause me public scrutiny.
It'll probably bring my family through tomorrow, but I know I'm going to be doing the right thing.
What transition?
What shifted to say, you know what?
I am going to run for state office in my state of Kansas.
You know, Ricky, you remind me, I think you went through something similar.
You took up the mantle of your father, and you're taking barbs, you're taking arrows, and it's a very, very difficult thing.
But sometimes the Lord leads us to do things.
I'm very fortunate in that I'm not currently raising children where I have to be home every day.
Of course, my beautiful wife, Lydia, I miss her.
But we're not raising children.
Financial Struggles and Legislative Battles 00:02:58
We're not, we're financially in a different place.
When you're young and you're raising a family, it's very, very difficult.
But if the Lord calls you to take up that mantle, what he puts in your hand to do, you need to do it with all your might.
And let me just say one thing that I do when I'm up there, and in your state, it might be the same thing.
They have a legislature that's the House of Representatives and the Senate.
Well, when I'm up at the well or the front of the house and I'm speaking and I'm debating these issues, what I imagine, I don't know if I've told you, Ricky, but I imagine there's this empty aisle that goes down the middle, kind of between the Republicans and the Democrats.
And I imagine my five grandchildren playing in that aisle.
No house member is allowed to step into that aisle during debate.
So it's all empty.
And I imagine Jacqueline and Luke and Evangeline and Lucy and Sophia playing in that aisle.
And what I'm doing is not for myself because I know I'm an older guy.
I have a few years left, maybe.
Hopefully a lot.
With good living, we'll see.
But what I'm doing this for is for the children, as you mentioned.
And I imagine the children and I imagine their futures.
And as Mondo was saying, it's hard to imagine the world that we're living in now.
But what about the world in 10 or 20 years from now after AI becomes a part of it, after things have transitioned even more?
Things that we take for granted now, five or 10 years ago, were unimaginable.
Like homosexual marriage, nobody thought 10 or 15 years ago that that was even feasible.
Now it's just taken for granted that it's there.
And so when we face these issues, I'm very happy that we're doing so well with the transgender issues because I wanted to mention this also.
We're not being mean to transgender children.
We are doing what is scientific and what is appropriate for them.
When these children have identity problems with their gender, they 85 to 87% of the time resolve that if just given a couple of years to just work through their own identity.
And by the time they're 18, they're happy with the body of their birth.
But the other side wants to catch these children while they're vulnerable, while they're confused, do surgeries on them, do hormone manipulation, potentially render them infertile for the rest of their lives and condemn them to a life that is not what God intends.
And so if 85, 87% of them will resolve on their own, why are we condemning these children to a life that's different like that?
Befriend and Influence 00:02:20
We need to follow the science.
The science shows that it's the best thing to give them counseling and give them time.
Why are we almost sacrificing their lives for this ideology of wokeism?
And so I think science is on our side.
The studies are on our side.
The other side has emotion.
They have loud voices.
But we will come against them and we will come against them with truth as we see it through science and through the Word of God and through our own life experiences.
So it's an honor for me to be there in the Kansas House of Representatives.
Each state has their own House of Representatives.
And I encourage you, as Ricky said, to write your legislators, but also befriend them.
If you see, you know, a local legislator, oftentimes you'll see them at a grocery store, at a restaurant, at church, befriend them, talk to them, tell them your concerns.
It's good to write.
It's good to email, but also develop that relationship because with that relationship, you can have a lot of leverage.
What happens in the state level?
And a lot of times, I think, Mondo, you mentioned nationwide things.
Most of what affects us as Christians is as much as we see it on the cable news.
It's not in Washington, D.C.
It's not the federal level.
It's not on the federal level.
It's at our state level.
It's at our county government.
It's our city government.
That's where the school boards make decisions.
That's where property taxes are rendered.
That's where all these decisions are made that affect our lives, whether it's health care, welfare, education.
That's where we need to focus.
A lot of times we kind of fall into the trap of following the cable news issue of, you know, what's Trump doing today?
And is China mad at us?
Yeah, I say don't even worry about that.
Yeah, follow, find out who your state legislator is, get to know them, take them out for a cup of coffee, even Morningside cup of coffee, by the way.
We'll bring that up later.
But that's the way you develop leverage to help for the kingdom of God is through relationships.
I want to say something.
Powerful Family Opinions 00:15:40
You're saying some powerful things.
And I asked your wife and your daughter before the program, there's no kind way to ask, do you have an opinion?
You know, in a family that everyone has a strong opinion.
I want to hear from the two of you because the strongest weapon we have in our families are mothers.
Amen.
Don't neglect the mothers.
Don't neglect the women in your circle as mothers.
When you hear this from your husband and your father, let's start with you, Ms. Brooke.
As a mother, when you hear this, what goes through your mind?
What's your opinion about this type of situation?
Well, I'm shocked at the things going on, you know, in the nation, in the schools, that parents aren't aware.
You know, I have three young children.
And so to me, I don't want to put them in a school where they're subject and vulnerable.
And, you know, when they're so young, they just say things and they're very creative and they have huge imaginations.
And that's beautiful and that's wonderful.
But that's not at the final truth for them.
You know what I mean?
Absolutely.
That's just them developing their creativity and playing.
And so to me, hearing my dad talk about it and fighting for the kids, it's very inspirational.
And I'm proud, you know, that that's my dad, you know.
And at the same time, it's my heart grieves.
You know, Ricky and I went to the call in Washington, D.C. last October that Lou Engel led.
And there were moms going up there talking about and, you know, sharing their stories where their kids started transitioning in school and they didn't know.
And so they took it before the Lord.
They started fighting for their kids.
And the Lord transformed them and they detransitioned and found their identity in Christ.
And so I'm believing that the Lord is going to do that in this nation, you know, because it's a fight on the kids.
How about you, Miss Lydia?
Well, honestly, as a mom, of course, I remember when I was Brooke's age and hadn't had little people at home.
She was one of them.
But prior to that, I had gone to Bible school, Christ for the Nations.
And at Christ for the Nations, we had a class, Mondo, about children's ministry.
One of the books we had to read was Devil Take the Youngest.
Cannot remember who wrote it, but it made such an impression on me that the devil wants them as young as they can be gotten.
And it's our job as parents, as adults, as believers to protect them.
The first point of defense is prayer.
If we aren't praying, then nothing else really matters.
And so covering them in prayer right off the bat and then standing and having done all to stay and stand, which means things like what Ron is doing, standing for the children to protect them, but also standing in the local arena.
Additionally, teaching your children what is truth.
It's not up to them to decide if they're male or female at two years old.
That's right.
It's very evident.
You know, that God bless these precious children.
But the enemy, we have an enemy, and he comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
And he starts at the earliest age, as young as he possibly can.
And schools, it's been the frog in the pot.
You know, when our parents were in school, schools were great, right?
In the 50s, 40s and 50s.
And then the 60s, things started changing.
When we were in school, things were changing.
And by the time my children, Brooke is 27, by the time my children were in school, we looked at it and thought, there's no way we're giving our children over for eight hours a day.
And so we homeschooled when they were young.
And then once there was a foundation there, we put them in school and we stayed very involved.
Was I not at that school?
Probably every day.
Yeah, she was.
I was in the lunchroom helping.
I was in the office helping.
I knew every person at that school.
I knew that.
I knew every person.
You might sound like my wife.
Because you have to.
You have to.
You have to.
And when my kids would come home and say, can I go home with so-and-so?
I would think, I know that, mama.
No.
Or I know that, mama.
Yes.
You know, you have to know.
If we don't know, the Bible says, know them that labor among you.
You have to have relationship with these people.
And if they're teaching your children, you better know them.
You need to know their heart.
And I don't mean know them.
Know them as friends.
Ron was talking the other day about meeting someone that was at a rally.
There was in Kansas, and you may want to talk about this, Ricky, but he was walking towards someone that didn't look like him and didn't dress like him.
And he thought, oh, these are probably people on the other side.
But Ron said hello to them as though they were a friend.
And that man said, hello, brother.
And Ron found out that this man had been saved out of that life and was now serving the Lord.
He didn't look like him, but Ron got to know him and found that they had much in common.
First and foremost, Christ Jesus.
Amen.
We believe the word of God is our final authority.
And it says that you are fearfully and wonderfully made.
It says that the Lord knit you in your mother's womb, the creator of heaven and earth, the one that was here far before everything exists.
And the one will be here far after eternity finds an end, which, by the way, it'll never come to an end.
Friends, he knits you in your mother's womb.
He knows who you are and what you are and what you are supposed to be.
The devil comes to kill, steal, and destroy, which the devil will always do the exact opposite of what it is that God wants for your life.
So if the devil comes to kill, God wants to give you life.
If the devil comes to steal, the Lord has something to give to you.
And if the devil comes to destroy, then God wants to rebuild you back into who you are supposed to be.
You may be watching this right now and you have a son or a daughter, grandson, granddaughter, niece or nephew who is battling this right now.
And you're saying, I don't know what to do.
Continue to love them through it.
Continue to pray for them.
Continue to speak the truth to them to say, hey, you know what?
Jesus loves you.
He cares about you.
He died on a cross for you.
While Jesus hung on that cross, you were on his mind.
It says that he endured the suffering he did for the joy set before him.
And remind them, that joy set before Christ was them so that they could be brought in so that not one person would be lost.
But you know, Ron, we face an issue right now where people are saying, you know what?
Let's separate everything.
Politics over here, church and faith over here.
Don't intermingle them.
Don't mix them.
Don't bring them together.
But how have you during this walk of now you have a three, almost four years in the legislative branch of Kansas, how have you seen that that is happening or is it not happening?
Are people separating faith from politics?
That's a good question, Ricky.
And I think that really is a trick that we fall into, a trap that we fall into where we separate out different parts of our life.
Politics, it gets a dirty word.
It becomes a dirty word, you know, because you think of backstabbing or somebody having a payoff or dirty politics.
Politics really is just people interacting.
And they're politics in churches, their politics in civil government, their politics even in families and in businesses.
All it is, is people working things out.
If we did not have in the United States a way to work out these hard, hard issues through debate and through the state legislatures, there would be civil war.
So politics really is a gift from God to help us solve our problems, to come to agreement, to search for the truth together and to be united.
Like you said, the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy.
Part of that is dividing us.
We need to remember that we are to commune with Christ.
We're to commune with each other.
And if I could just digress a little bit, I was thinking about communion yesterday.
I was thinking about the grains of wheat that become the bread for our communion.
I was thinking about the grapes that become crushed for grape juice or wine for our communion.
There's something about communion that is between us and God.
That's certainly true.
But if you read the story of the Last Supper and when Christ initiated communion supper, he's talking about the church members also, the people, the believers, being one together.
Just as an individual grape loses its identity when it becomes grape juice.
Just as individual grains of wheat lose their identity when they become a loaf of bread, we somehow in the body of Christ become much more intimately connected with each other.
And that's God's plan for us is for us to be united and not separated.
So the theme, basically, as I get older, I see how the connections between us are so, so important.
The relationships are so important.
But the connectedness of believers in the body of Christ, it's not just me and Jesus.
We have our own thing going.
You know, I see a lot of people that are like that.
And that's kind of a Western civilization thing or an individualism of America.
Me and God, we got our own thing going.
But really, God's plan is for us to be a member of a body and not separated.
And so the body of Christ, believers as a whole, need to work together.
And if I could use just one analogy from my medical school days, please, I may have mentioned this before, but when I was in medical school, I was studying heart cells.
And in the lab, I was a first or second year medical student.
We weren't allowed to see real live people at the time.
But we had a lab where we had these heart cells from, I believe it was a frog under a microscope.
And we looked at them and they were like little sacks that were just floating in the water.
You look in the microscope and you see one of them and it was beating.
It was a heart cell, so it was made to beat.
Another one was beating.
It was a heart cell, so it was made to beat.
But they were not in sync.
When they became together and they touched each other and they became in relationship with each other, they synchronized.
And I was thinking, God made our hearts, made us like those heart cells.
We were created to do something.
But like a heart cell was created to pump blood, it cannot by itself pump the blood.
It needs other heart cells.
It needs all these individuals together in one structure, in one communion, in order to accomplish what it was created to do.
Just as one heart cell can beat, but it can't pump blood, it needs all these other heart cells to work in sync.
And then it can fulfill what it was called to do.
So I was thinking about the body of Christ and how we as individuals, we may be called to do something.
Ricky, you may be called to have a television ministry, but you can't do it on your own.
You need the camera people that I met this morning.
You need the people in the control room.
You need the people that are engineers.
You need Mondo.
You need guests.
You need all these people.
Don't go too far.
Some of you have needed.
We need each other.
And the older I get, I used to be very self-sufficient.
I would just battle through, you know, put my head down, goal-oriented.
But the older I get, I realize it's not my abilities that are what the body of Christ needs.
It's my connection with other Christians that the body of Christ needs.
Wow.
That is powerful.
I hope you're listening right now because without you, without your support, without your prayers, we could not do this every single day.
We cannot preach the gospel.
Now, don't misunderstand me.
We can't go in the corner and preach the gospel.
Don't misunderstand that.
I'm talking about the television ministry that you have supported for over 60 years now.
And we want to give you that opportunity today if you want to continue to see programs like this.
And it's getting harder and harder every single day to come into your home.
You know, we started with 24 outlets down to just two outlets to distribute this program all over the world.
But it's your support, your prayers.
You know, Ricky and I can come here and sit on the couch.
And if the cameras don't go anywhere, we're not going anywhere.
But because of your support, we're able to come into your home and share this type of programs to bring you information that is going to not only challenge you, but inspire you to know that God is using people all over America to continue to fight for the issues that concern you.
But more than that, you know what?
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Dr. Bryce, we got to fix this problem.
I need to watch him drink some cheap coffee.
What's this guy up to over there?
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I did.
Did you know that?
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I get letters about everything.
Now I'm going to get one about the coffee.
No, but it's great.
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Every morning?
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Don't tell Mondo.
I told him it's every once in a while.
Oh, every morning.
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Young.
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And with your help, I love that analogy, doctor.
We can do it together, Matthew 18 and 19.
And you know what?
Together, we're going to be able to change the world.
And together, we're going to be able to bring messages like this.
Dr. Coffeyville is special to you and to your family.
I want to ask you a question because your insights, not only on business, but for small businesses, what does it mean for America?
Because America holds together, I believe, with small businesses.
But as you deal with politics, there's a lot of people that have small businesses that are nervous right now.
The president is making moves that is making everybody nervous.
A Trying Time Faithful God 00:06:02
We don't understand it half of the time.
The tariffs, I mean, everything.
I see the market right now.
This panic in the market.
What do you tell business owners right now on what they're seeing right now?
Right.
It is a trying time that we live in.
And as Lydia was saying earlier, you know, we're facing things that we wouldn't have dreamed of in the past.
We have to face these things with knowing that God is faithful.
And I remember, if I could tell just one other quick story, the faithfulness of God is an event happened to me that is, it would be hard to exaggerate how important it is.
I was very ill at one point.
I was in the hospital.
I was for months.
I was quadriplegic.
I thought my life was over.
And it was right after I had become a physician.
And so I'd spent all these years going to medical school, pre-med, medical school.
I was in residency.
I'd given up marriage and family, even though I wanted kids and a wife.
But I was wanting to be prepared to serve people as a doctor.
And about three months after I became a physician, I was an intern.
I was struck down and paralyzed, and I thought my life was over.
I was in the hospital day after day after day, just laying there wondering what my life was about.
And it was about two in the morning.
They turned me every two hours so I would prevent bed sores.
And so every two hours they would wake me up and turn me.
And it was about three o'clock in the morning.
And I was just, I was communing with God, not verbally, but just kind of from the heart.
And I was asking God why this path my life was on.
Not that I was complaining necessarily.
I just needed some meaning on why I had given up these years and the things I wanted to do with wife and family and had prepared.
And now when I was ready to serve God, I'm struck down.
And clear as a bell, I felt in my spirit, God tell me, I am faithful.
And that moment, I had such a peace that entered that room.
And I realized I was asking the wrong question.
It's not God, what's the meaning in all this?
The real question is, is God faithful or not?
Because if God is faithful, you can get through anything.
If God is faithful, even though we live in trying times, we can get through anything.
We don't know the future.
We do know that God is faithful.
And I would say to the business people who are here, who are listening or watching, who have a small business, and they're concerned about all these changes that are happening in the world.
Changes will be accelerating.
You know, when I was a child, as Lydia was saying, when we were children, times were much different.
In a sense, they were much slower.
Now we see change happening more and more rapidly.
But that's not what we need to focus on.
We need to focus on, is God faithful?
Are we serving God with all of our heart?
And we can relax with that.
And we can do what we're called to do without worry, without anxiety.
And I would just encourage everyone to realize that God is faithful.
Wow.
I hope you run for president one day.
I will vote for you.
You have a beautiful family.
Your son-in-law is questionable right now.
I will vote for you.
We were just having that conversation the other day where I was telling you a conversation I was having with the Lord where I was saying, Lord, I need you to fix this problem.
And I was just talking about, I need you to figure it.
I'm lamenting.
I'm praying over this.
Lord, I need you to fix this problem.
I heard clear as day the Holy Spirit tell me, I'm not here to fix your problem.
I'm here to heal your perspective.
And I realized it was my perspective that was wrong, that I wasn't walking through a trial for no reason.
I wasn't getting what I felt was being consumed for no reason.
He was healing perspective for me.
And friends, if you're going through something today, just know the Lord is healing your perspective.
He's giving you an insight.
Because Ron, you could have taken that moment and said, you know what?
God's not faithful.
God's not good.
He's not just.
And you could have turned your whole life and turned away from him.
But you decided to say, you know what?
I'm going to listen to the Holy Spirit tell me that I am faithful.
And you serve the Lord every other day of your every day of your life since then.
I mean, you didn't turn your back.
But Monday, we've seen so many believers go through a trial and turn their back on God.
It's about healing our perspective.
No, through hard times, through good times, through mountaintops, through valleys, he's still God and he's still faithful.
Amen.
You know, we have to continue to know that everyone has been given a mandate by God.
Everyone's been given a job.
You have a job, friends.
And we don't labor in vain when we labor for Christ.
I'm telling you right now, just make sure you know what it is.
Have an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit.
If you don't know Christ, there's never been a better day than to give your life than right now.
Don't say someday because someday isn't promised to you, friend.
You're not promised to drive home.
You're not promised to wake up tomorrow, but you have been given the gift of right now.
We have a number you can call.
If you want to be walk through those steps of faith, it's 1-888-988-1588.
If you want to do a prayer line as well, you can go to our website and click the little box that says prayer.
It'll send an email to our team and we'll call you back or we'll get back with you at a better time.
But friends, don't wait.
There's not a moment that is going to come that is a better moment than this right now to say yes to Jesus pulling on your heartstrings.
If you're a prodigal son, a prodigal daughter, if you've fallen away from your relationship with Jesus, there's never been a better moment to step back into the fullness of what God has called you to do.
Today's your day.
Today is your day for victory.
Because whenever you say yes to Jesus, you have been given the victory that he won on the cross.
I want to talk, you know, I was going to say, Dad, it's funny.
I don't want to talk.
I've never called you Dad.
It's quite funny.
I don't know why I almost said that.
I want to talk to you.
I don't want to.
I don't know why I said that.
I want to talk to you about your book, Fingerprint of God, because you were just talking about, you know, when the grains are crushed, they become unified, then becomes bread.
Innovative Protection for Unborn Human Bodies 00:06:16
When the grape is crushed, it becomes grape juice or wine, depending on your denomination.
Then it's unified.
It's one.
You wrote a book called The Fingerprint of God.
So what is the fingerprint of God?
The fingerprint of God.
Well, let me put it this way.
If you look at a famous painting from a famous artist, let's say Rembrandt, you can tell because of certain features of that painting who painted it.
If you listen to a composition, say from Beethoven, and you know about Beethoven, but you've never heard that composition, you say, yeah, that must be Beethoven, because there's certain parts of it that you recognize.
God's creation, the living things in God's creation have his fingerprint, his impression.
Something about his nature is on all living things.
God is the creator of all life.
He's the only one who can create life.
It's something we take for granted.
You know, let's say the coffee that we have here.
We consume that coffee.
It's non-living.
It's just coffee.
But God makes it alive through our bodies to become part of our living bodies.
And it becomes something alive that we don't even understand because it's incorporated into our bodies.
God is the author of all life.
So that's his fingerprint.
It's the nature of God that we see in living things.
And the thing is, as I was studying in medical school, we would dissect human bodies.
We would study human bodies and physiology and things that go wrong with human bodies.
And then I read what Paul wrote in Romans, in 1 Corinthians, in the other epistles, that the church is a living body.
And it always fascinated me because I always saw the church almost as an organization or a business.
And oftentimes we have to run it as a business.
We have to pay the bills.
We have marketing.
We have a board of directors.
We almost run it as a business.
But something about on a spiritual level, the church is more than that.
It's more than a business.
It's more than an organization.
It is, for lack of better terms, a living body.
And so I searched through all I know about living bodies, having treated patients for 40 years in emergency rooms, seeing what goes wrong with human bodies and helping to fix it with medical care.
I applied what I learned there to what we see in the church.
And oftentimes, you know, it goes back to that theme that you mentioned at the beginning of the show, Ricky.
It's unity.
And oftentimes we see other Christians, we don't see them as part of our own body, the body of Christ.
We see them as something else and we fight.
And Paul wrote, you know, why are there problems?
Because you bicker and fight.
Paul also, it was also in the Bible that where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them, and they will know we are Christians by our love one for another.
So as we love one another, as our connections together, as we become a living body rather than an organization, God's life can be on that.
And having God's life in these trying times is the most important things because as Lydia was saying, we don't know what the future is.
We don't know what our children and grandchildren are going to be facing.
But God's life and the Holy Spirit will guide us into new and innovative things.
I can give one example in the legislature.
Please.
In the state of Kansas, it has been found by the Kansas Supreme Court that abortion is absolutely a right of every Kansas.
It's not in the Constitution.
It's totally, honestly, made up.
But because of the liberal justices on the Kansas Supreme Court, we cannot pass laws that regulate abortion.
We cannot even pass laws that call for hygiene in an abortion clinic because it's totally off bounds according to what the Supreme Court ruled.
So we as Christian legislators, we as Christian people, need to innovate.
We need to seek the Holy Spirit for innovative things.
So this session, we do all we can for life, children born and unborn.
We passed a law where pre-born children get child support.
And so someone at the point of conception, the child qualifies for child support from the father.
Not only that, but there's a tax exemption for that child in the womb.
It kind of drives the other side crazy because we're pointing out that a child in the womb is a person.
But it's a way that we have, we have, I believe the Holy Spirit laid it on people's hearts to create this type of legal framework so that we can point out that children are really human beings, that they are people, that we can protect children in the womb, that we can support women who are in unwanted pregnancies, women who are in difficult pregnancies.
We can support them financially as well as medically.
And so I believe in these trying times we live in, we need to be unified as a living body, rely on the Holy Spirit to speak to us because there will be innovative things.
There will be things we've never even thought of come to our minds that we'll be able to fight against or to address these problems that we're going to face and our children are going to face.
Amen.
We have to protect our children.
You know, Ron, a couple of years ago, I think it was your first year in the legislature is when that happened with the whole abortion thing in the state of Kansas.
And Ron was quite discouraged.
And it was just like, our hands are tied.
There's nothing we can do.
But God, because he's a creative God, this session, this came about with, actually, it wasn't even a conservative legislator that said it initially that, you know, we should just give the babies in the womb a tax number or a social security number or something like that.
Called to Faithfulness 00:10:20
And all the conservatives just thought, what did he just say?
Wait, wait.
When they're in the womb, they're a person?
Yes, they are.
And so the Lord confounded the wicked, right?
Because God always makes a way.
He is a way maker.
And whatever the circumstance, you do not need to give up.
Even if it looks like in the natural, well, that's it.
They've nailed that coffin shut.
We don't have a chance.
Haha.
No.
God will make a way.
He is a way maker.
And we are called, amen.
We are called to be faithful, faithful, faithful.
Ron said the Lord told him, I am faithful.
Well, guess what?
That's an attribute of God.
And we are made in the image of God.
And we bear the attributes of God.
So as we are faithful, we are showing the world, what Jesus looks like.
Our faithful Father.
We're faithful because he's faithful.
Whatever the Lord has put in your hand, steward it well.
Be faithful over it.
If you think you're called to something else, something bigger, if that door hadn't opened yet, you'd be faithful with where the Lord has put you now.
Instead of letting it go, walking away and looking for something else, Mondo, you were talking about, you know, Lord, what would you have me to do?
What do you want me to do?
The Lord says, I want you to be faithful right where you are today.
Show me faithfulness, and then I'll open those other doors and you will proclaim to the world my nature and who I am by being faithful, a good steward, walking in godliness and holiness and purity and speaking forth truth and living as a light into the nations right there in your business, in your home with your children.
Brooke does it every day.
I see her doing it.
Her faithfulness with these kids.
Ricky, your faithfulness here, Mondo, in this ministry, you know what these guys do?
Everything.
They'll clean a toilet.
They'll sweep a floor.
They do the walls.
They build walls.
They tear down walls.
They clean out septic tanks.
They fix water towers.
I mean, these guys, they don't live in these suits, people.
They are rolling up their sleeves and working.
They are faithful.
And that's what God's called us to be is faithful just like him.
Wow.
What a word.
I needed that word today.
Good.
Good.
Everybody's the Lord.
Because sometimes you've got to be reminded that faithfulness, people try to discredit faithfulness.
And consistency is what changes the path of everything.
You're consistent giving.
I think about you.
You know, we were talking to dad the other day and we were thinking about you.
Thinking about how faithful you have been to this ministry, the changes, the different personalities that come on the show, and yet you still stand with us, even with all the troubles that we have faced, you have been faithful to this ministry.
And because of your faithfulness, the legacy to win souls continues to move forward.
You know that we can't do it without you.
I know you hear it a lot.
And there's so many places that you can give to, you can be standing with, and you should, because God has blessed you financially and continue to support other ministries.
Amen.
Stand with other ministries.
Sow into other ministries.
You know why?
Because God doesn't have a favorite.
We are all his favorites.
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Amen.
You know, everybody wants to know what it's going to look like before Jesus returns.
It's a very valid question.
The disciples came to him and said privately, Jesus, what will it look like before you return?
And we see this account.
You can go to Matthew chapter 24.
You can go to Luke chapter 21, Mark 13.
You can read the book of Revelation.
We are given a very vivid, very specific blueprint of what it will look like before he returns.
But friends, I want to encourage you with something that we are going to see right before he comes back.
If you have your Bible at home, open it up.
If you have an iPhone, an iPad, an Android device, open those up to your Bible app and open it up to Acts chapter 2, verse 17.
It says right here, and this was Peter speaking.
And it will be in the last days, says God, that I will pour out my spirit on all people.
And then your sons and your daughters will prophesy.
Your young men will see visions.
Your old men will dream dreams.
And I will even pour out my spirits on my servants in those days, both men and women, and they will prophesy.
I will display wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below.
Blood and fire and smoke of a cloud, the sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the great and glorious day of the Lord comes.
Then everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Friends, we are about to enter, I believe, the world's greatest harvest.
I've said this many times on this broadcast and I stand by the statement that before the Lord returns, we will see a multi-billion with a B, multi-billion soul harvest.
Why?
Because it's the Lord's heart.
It's the Lord's desire that not one person would be lost.
It is the Lord's desire that everybody would get the opportunity to exercise that muscle of obedience and say, yes, I want to be a child of the most high God.
Whenever you say that yes, you're not just saying a yes and flippantly moving on with your life.
You then become a born brand new creation.
You know, Ron, we see a lot of the times people say, well, I was born this way.
I was born this way.
I was born in the wrong body.
I was born the wrong gender.
Friends, you may have been born that way, you think, but the Lord has called us to be born again.
And we are born into his family with his identity, with his purpose and will.
You are a new creature, a new creation.
I believe the Lord knew what he was doing when he made that very specific verbiage.
You're a new creation.
You're a new creature.
He wants to call you son and daughter, heir to the throne.
Friends, that's heir to the throne of the person and the man and the deity, the God who created everything.
We love the Holy Spirit because He guides us throughout the day.
We love Jesus, He gave us the opportunity to enter the door, which is His body.
And we love the Father for saying, Yes, I am willing to forsake my Son so that I don't have to forsake all of humanity.
We have an opportunity to be brought in today, and all you have to do is say yes.
It is a wonderful and amazing and a great thing that you can do today for yourself, but also for your family.
Be the witness in your family today, be the person that helps lead your grandchildren, your children, your nephews, your aunts, your uncles, your parents.
You can be the catalyst in your family to bring everyone in to the family of Jesus Christ.
There's only one way to heaven, friends, and we'll never mince our words.
It is Christ in Christ alone.
Every major world religion points at Jesus Christ as an archetype.
Every one of them, you can look at every major world religion.
They all look at Jesus as an archetype.
They say he was a good man, he was someone worth following.
But if you look at Jesus, what did Jesus say?
I am the way, I am the truth, I am the life.
Nobody comes to the Father except through me.
So, friends, if he said it, I believe it.
I want you to believe it today.
Call that number, it's 1-888-988-1588.
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Doctor, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Thank you, Miss Lydia.
We love you.
Brooke, I'll be seeing you later.
We love you.
Mondo, I see you every day.
Friends, if you're going to work, if you're coming home from work, no matter what you're doing, remember that God loves you.
Don't let anybody convince you otherwise.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Amen.
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