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April 11, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Derek and Sharon Gilbert
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Developing That Relationship 00:15:16
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guests are researchers, authors, teachers, and TV and podcast hosts, Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
Our co-host today is Reverend Londo De La Vega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, you're watching the PTL Television Network, friends.
We're excited you've tuned in with us today.
We have an exciting broadcast for you with Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
They're researchers, teachers, authors, TV, and podcast hosts.
Derek and Sharon work closely with Joe Horn and are part of the Skywatch TV and Defender publishing team.
Derek and his wife, Sharon, co-host Unraveling Revelation, which can be seen on the PTL Voice of the Prophets Network on Saturdays at 12.30 a.m. Eastern Standard and Sundays at 10.30 p.m.
And all the programs are available on the PTL app, Video on Demand, and you can go download their app, which is GHTV, which stands for Gilbert House TV.
And they also have a new book, which we're going to dive into a little bit today called The Gates of Hell, which I don't know if you know this, but there's a church and the gates of hell can't prevail against it.
So we're going to be talking about that today a little bit, friends.
But, you know, speaking of Mondo, I'm just going to jump right into it.
The tune of that, one thing I was thinking about, I was during kind of a prayer time this morning.
I was really just sitting there thinking a lot of churches have lost something.
What's that?
The fear of the Lord.
I've been listening to a lot of stuff coming out of some pulpits.
Yeah.
And friends, I'll tell you right now, the irreverence.
I understand we can be relaxed with God.
God is our friend, but there still needs to be a holy balance of the fear of the Lord.
You sent me something the other day as well, something that came from a pulpit.
And while it was funny because it was, you know, I was kind of baffled.
So it was comedic.
I really thought about it and said, wow, they really just went there, said that from a pulpit.
Yeah.
Total irreverence.
Anytime you see men and women of God in the Bible entering the sanctuary that God provides.
Holy of holies, yeah.
One of the men took his sandals off out of reverence.
That's right.
Yet we don't take off our garments, meaning I'm not talking about external.
I'm talking about our own.
We don't take off our foul language.
We don't take off our...
Oh, God is my friend.
I talk to him.
Hi, Juan.
No, I don't think that happens that way.
No, it's still the Holy of Holies where the Holy Spirit reside is still a holy place, friends.
And I really want to urge any pastor, anyone who's leadership of a church, make sure you never lose the fear of the Lord.
Make sure you never lose the awe of the Lord because Mondo, it's important.
You know, I understand the interpersonal relationship with Christ because I will joke back and forth.
I'll have my conversations with him.
But when it comes to diving into the holy place, I'm very reverent.
I try to be very respectful.
And it's not out of a place of religiousness.
It's out of a place of the fear of the Lord, the creator of heaven and earth, the one who was there before anything existed, the one who will be there far after eternity finds its end.
The God who created everything has a relationship with you.
We should have the fear of the Lord.
Let me ask you this, Pastor.
What is the fear of the Lord?
That's a good question.
A lot of people don't know what does that mean.
Does it mean I'm scared?
I'm trembling.
I have this, you know, constant, oh, I'm going to mess up.
No, the fear of the Lord, truly, the best way I can put it is respect.
It is the respect to know he is God.
He is the creator of heaven and earth.
He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end.
He is all of those things.
The fear of the Lord isn't a place of scared.
It isn't a place of saying, well, I'm worried about making mistakes.
Because friends, he knows you're going to make mistakes.
He knows you're going to fall down.
Mondo, the fear of the Lord is truly a place of reverence and respect for him to say, I know how awesome and how great and how heavy his glory is, that I'm not going to disrespect or be irreverent to those things.
I explain it to Matteo and Mila this way because there's times, as good as they are, and amazing kids as they are, they're still kids.
They're still teenagers, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Especially the teenage years, right?
They want to test you, they want to test their energy and their approach.
But there's times where their response kind of takes me off guard.
And I ask this question: Is that how you will respond to your teacher?
No, no.
I said, then why would you think that it's okay to respond to your mom and dad that way?
True.
Is there no respect in the home?
I'm not talking about being fearful at home.
I'm talking about being respectful at home.
The same thing with God.
Will you approach God the same way I would approach you, Ricky?
Absolutely not.
I hope not.
You know, but if I can't, listen, and it's vice versa, because my approach to God will be a reflection on how I should approach you.
Respect.
We'll treat each other the same way.
Absolutely.
Right?
Because you are a reflection of Christ.
I'm a reflection of Christ.
But if I treat you wrong, that tells you that I'm going to treat God in the same manner.
Because if I have no respect for the authority of the anointing that God has placed on you, then what respect am I going to place on the one that gives the anointing?
That's right.
That right there wakes up my kids and say, Dad, I'm sorry.
It didn't register in my mind.
I just, this is the key.
I just felt comfortable.
I felt comfortable that I can talk to you and approach you in whatever manner instead of approaching you a respectful way.
It's like this situation right here.
I said, Son, let me give you two.
Let me give you an understanding of your approach, your approach, and what you should have thought the approach should have been.
Dad, get me the shoes.
Instead, hey, Dad, I know you're busy right now, but when you get a chance, can you get me my shoes?
Yeah.
Two different approaches.
Right?
And the thing is, it's called respect with God is the same way.
It's honor.
Yeah.
Honoring God and not demanding.
But I think that today in the pulpit, we have crossed the line that I think for a lot of preachers, it's hard to come back to because once you cross that line, then what do you think everybody else in the congregation is going to do?
They're going to cross that line too and think they can approach the Holy of Holies however you want to.
That's right.
You know, there's a phrase, you can come to church as you are, but you're not going to stay as you are.
When you have that encounter with Jesus Christ, you're a new creation.
You don't get to then continue to live any lifestyle you want to.
You have to align yourself with the word of God.
You don't get to continue to act however you want to.
You have to have your actions line up with the word of God.
You know, in the same series of listening to all these ministers, I heard one of them say, You're trying to make the Bible relevant for the next generation.
Friends, I don't have to make the word of God relevant.
I shouldn't have to be trying to make the word of God trendy.
I shouldn't be trying to make the word of God, you know, fit some mold of a current socio-you know, a society that is falling far away from God.
I have no responsibility to make the word of God relevant.
I simply need to preach the word of God, and it itself is always relevant.
When it was written, it was relevant.
3,000 years, if the Lord should tarry from today, it will still be relevant.
It is not Ricky's responsibility.
It's not any pastor in the entire United States or globe's responsibility to make the word of God relevant.
Because when I try to make this thing relevant for our current culture, I compromise it.
I will.
I'll compromise what it says.
I'll twist things out of order.
I'll make things say what I want them to say.
Mondo, if you abuse the word of God long enough, you can make it say whatever you want it to say.
All right, I'm going to give you another one, Pastor, because there's a lot of people in the church that would treat that as, oh, you're being legalistic.
I heard that too, yeah.
Right?
Because I get approached that way.
You're legalistic.
No, no, no, no.
You can't compromise.
In the streets, there's no compromise.
That's right.
There's no such thing as a halfway crook.
They used to say in the streets.
And the gospel is the same way.
There's no such half Christians in the gospel.
But I think you're right.
The approach is what changes everything.
And the people that believe that you're being legalistic is called conviction.
Most people that get convicted with how you walk, how you pray, how you carry yourself, your outlook on the word, most of the time will be attacked by words of legalism because why?
This is my experience.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people get convicted and out of conviction, they get defensive.
That's right.
You know, I have come to this point.
And friends, I need you to also understand my heart.
I've come to the point where I refuse to let anything pull me away from my relationship with Christ.
I refuse to let relevancy pull me away from my relationship with Christ.
I refuse to let cultural acceptance pull me away from my relationship with Christ because I realize nothing in this world matters other than your relationship with Jesus.
And when you come to that point, friends, you don't need to be trendy.
You don't need to be on trend with what's happening.
You don't need to be always relevant to the current generation, friends.
I promise you, preach the word of God.
The Holy Spirit will speak through you.
When the Holy Spirit speaks to you, it'll always be relevant.
It'll always be on point.
It'll always be what people need to hear if you allow the Holy Spirit to speak through you.
You know, we didn't talk about, we don't ever really talk about anything we're going to talk about right before the show because we like to keep it kind of spontaneous.
We're going to read out of Matthew chapter 24.
We see here in Matthew 24, all the things that are going to take place, all the things that must take place because they were prophesied out of the mouth of Jesus that will happen before he returns.
Through all of these things, Mondo, I'm just going to read some of them.
Is it okay?
Absolutely.
Matthew 24, go open that up.
I'm going to start with verse 4 right here.
It says, Jesus replied to them, watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name saying, I am the Messiah, and they will deceive many.
You're going to hear of wars and rumors of wars.
See that you're not alarmed because these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
Mondo, we're seeing that all over the place.
Nation rise against nation.
We're seeing that all over the place.
Kingdom against kingdom.
We're seeing that all over the globe.
There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.
We've been seeing this on a rise as well.
And all of these events are the beginning of labor pains.
These are just the beginning of the things.
But Mondo, what's the first thing he tells them?
Watch out that no one deceives you.
You know, you had a conversation when you were traveling.
There was times where you were speaking to 10,000, 20,000, I think even up to 30,000 people at one time in huge fields, huge coliseums, huge stadiums overseas.
And you were with a group of people.
We've had this conversation where they were doing things to try to learn how to emotionally manipulate their words better so that way they could get more people to the altar call.
But it wasn't saying, hey, Holy Spirit, I'm going to give you full reins of the service, full reins of every word.
It's, you know, they were saying, I'm going to learn how to be more boisterous, even through like acting classes, things like that.
That's caring more about relevancy than caring more about reverence.
Someone, an old preacher used to tell me, it's not your ability, brother, working through you.
It's God's ability working through you.
Amen.
The decisive moment, what's God's ability working through your life that is going to change and convicts the heart of men and women hearing your voice.
But here, when you have a deception of theatrics, it changes the dilemma because now it's dependent on how you are acting on stage, how you're performing.
And a lot of times there's a blur line between performance and trusting God.
And a lot of us throughout, maybe you don't have a stage, but maybe you have your friends that you perform in front of, you know, acting like you're holy, your family.
And I think when it comes to family, it's hard, right?
Because you have to constantly live out this theatrics that everything has to be perfect, that you have to be holy, that instead, I'm a work in progress.
Meaning that God is working through my ability, through the process of the growing of understanding what the Lord and how the Lord moves in our lives.
But you're right.
We are at that moment right now where millions are being deceived by the theatrics of the pulpit today.
That's right.
It says, watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name saying, I'm the Messiah, and they will deceive many.
Friends, I believe that if you dive into your relationship with Jesus more than you ever have and you say, Lord, give me the fear of the Lord.
Give me the holy reverence of the Lord.
Give me the holy respect of the Lord.
It will be much more difficult to deceive you.
Why?
Because you have intimacy.
You have relationship.
You know God.
You'll know his still small voice.
You'll know when he's speaking to you.
Friends, develop that relationship with Jesus Christ.
If you want to say, well, how can I ensure that I'm not deceived in these last days?
How can I ensure that I'm on the straight and narrow path in these last days?
It's actually very simple.
Relationship.
Have relationship with Jesus Christ.
Mondo, if you're in a supermarket and you were to hear, you know, 100 people talking at the same time as loud as they can, but you heard in the distance your wife's voice, you'd recognize it.
Absolutely.
You've been with her 17 years.
You would recognize your voice.
You'd recognize your children's voice if they were calling out help in a supermarket.
You'd immediately know and probably know pretty quickly where they were in the general direction they were because you know them well.
Friends, develop that relationship, develop that ear with Jesus Christ that if you are in a room full of people and they're all screaming and the Lord were to whisper your name, you would hear him.
Friends, open up your spiritual eyes, open up your spiritual ears and listen and look and have that fear of the Lord.
It's really important, friends.
It's very important.
And if you're a pastor, if you're a deacon, if you're a leader in a church, friends, and you are seeing the reverence of the Lord, the respect of the Lord, the fear of the Lord being pulled away from your pulpit, you can gently remind or even gently remind yourself, I need to get back to that place of having a healthy fear of the Lord.
And once again, that's not a place of, oh, I'm worried of making mistakes or I'm constantly looking over my shoulder like there's someone there who's going to be attacking you.
No, friends, this is reverence.
This is respect.
This is honor for the one who created everything, the one who calls you son or daughter.
It is a love, friends.
It comes from a deep place of love.
You know, Mondo, there's people across the United States that I know have a deep fear for the Lord and the Lord speaks to them.
The Lord honors that.
The Lord has, you know, prophetic ability for them.
And some of those people I truly believe and I absolutely love are Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
I know these are people who have reverence for the things of the Lord, who have honor for the things of the Lord, and they truly love the Lord.
Derek and Sharon, I hope you guys are on Skype with us right now.
I love you guys.
I want to say thank you guys for being on the broadcast.
Map Redrawn: Kurds and War 00:15:39
I want to say thank you just first and foremost, Mondo, for always staying true to the gospel.
You know, I like to say all of our PTL programmers are true to the gospel.
They love the word of God.
They stick true to what the text says and no opinion theology.
And I want to say thank you to Derek and Sharon because of all the years we've been watching them.
I've probably been watching them since I was, what, 12 or 13 years old?
Really, really?
12 or 13 years old.
I've realized they've always stayed true to the word of God.
And I want to say thank you guys for that because that means a lot in a culture that we're living in right now.
It really is eye-opening that we have known you that long.
We were just talking about this the other day.
We don't feel like we've gotten any older, but a lot of the young people that we knew when we first came to the Ozarks are like you, Rachel.
Now that you've got children of your own.
And so, yeah, Mondo, I noticed that you and I both are like a little more gray here than when we first got to know.
Don't quit picking on me.
That's right.
Mondo likes to pretend like he's still a very young man.
He's just a young man.
Hey, listen, I feel so young, and then my knees remind me.
You're back in the age.
That's right.
Eric, I want to start with this.
I know we're going to be getting into topics about the Middle East.
We're going to be talking about your book, The Gates of Hell.
But let's just touch on the subject we've been speaking on just for a minute, if you don't mind.
How important is it that the culture shifts away from trying to consistently be relevant to shifting to a place of pure reverence with the Lord?
Let me just say this: as you were talking, and I so appreciate everything you had to say, Rick, you are just so close to the Lord.
I mean, you glow with his presence, and that's what we're supposed to do.
It's to be less of us and more of him.
When I was growing up in church, at the end of the sermon, there was always an altar call, and it wasn't just for those people who wanted to dedicate their lives to Christ, who wanted to be saved.
It was for everybody.
And that altar would fill with people coming down to pray.
You would hear weeping, and the presence of the Holy Spirit would fill that place.
We've gotten away from that in church.
You're so right.
There are church leaders who want to be popular, who want to be cool, who want to be the latest iteration of whatever it is to be the next thing.
We're not supposed to be that.
We're supposed to allow the Lord to work through us.
That's it.
Yeah.
And Mondo, what you were saying about performance taking priority over preaching.
I think that is really a temptation.
Yeah, but it's a temptation for those of us who get up in front of groups.
I haven't spoken to the kind of crowds that you have, but have had the opportunity, been blessed with the opportunity to speak in groups of as large as two or 3,000.
And so you can be drawn in by the acclaim, the applause, whatever at the end of a sermon or the end of a presentation.
And that is absolutely something that we should avoid and pray against.
In fact, that is something that I keep hearing in my own head for years now.
Be not proud.
Be not proud.
We didn't write the words in this book.
This was inspired by the Holy Spirit to work through the prophets and the apostles.
This is the word of God.
I don't have enough guts to try to add to it or take things away from it to try to become more popular in any work that the Holy Spirit does through whatever we might say or we might write.
Again, that's not us.
We didn't write these words.
We're just trying to share the joy and the excitement we have and the discoveries that the Lord allows us to see in those words.
Amen.
Amen.
I appreciate that about you guys as well.
You've always been authentic to who you are, and you're always preaching the word of God.
Sharon, before we get into this, I will ask one more question because me and Mondo were just talking about this.
Tell us about your shirt.
We're looking over there.
I said, I think that's a sheep in some armor on it.
Tell me about that.
It is.
It's the armored sheep.
I have a podcast.
Usually goes up on Wednesdays.
Today it's going to go up a daylight, but it's called the Armored Sheep.
And it really is just Psalm 23 along with Ephesians 6.
We are sheep following our shepherd along whatever path he leads us, but he has given each one of us a custom-made suit of armor.
We don't see it in the natural world, but I'll tell you what, the fallen realm sees it.
And that's why I have a little sheep with armor on.
I'll tell you, I put together the intro for her video podcast each week.
And using that little graphic, every time I see that, it gets me really emotional.
I'm like my dad.
My dad told me once as he got older, he got more emotional.
And that's me.
Every time I look at that little sheep there standing.
For no little sheep, I don't have a little sheep mug.
It just chokes me up because really, this is us.
We're not going out there.
We're not slaying demons and going after fallen angels.
No, we're these little sheep there just standing there with our armor, standing our ground, as Paul wrote in Ephesians chapter 6, stand, stand, so we can withstand the enemy on that evil day.
That's our call.
We are to hold our ground until the cavalry, which is the heavenly host, led by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, comes over that hill.
Amen.
Amen.
Sharon, I know you have a Telegram page where you post news articles for the Armored Sheep, as well as you post a link to your podcast.
If somebody wants to be a part of that, how would they join being a part of that news channel?
You just join Telegram and then look for my channel, The Armored Sheep, or you can look for Sharon K. Gilbert, either one.
Derek has, we have one for Gilbert House.
Gilbert House Ministry.
We have one for you from the bunker.
We post a lot of news there.
We also post a lot of news at X.
And again, mine is at Sharon K. Gilbert, S-H-A-R-O-N-K-G-I-L-B-E-R-T.
Amen.
That's awesome.
So what are the big changes taking place in the Middle East?
Let's jump right into that.
You guys have been studying this.
You guys have been looking at this as well as, you know, seeing all the news that is coming out.
What are the big changes taking place right now in the Middle East?
One of the big things that we see is that the map's being redrawn.
And the fallen realm are part of what have always been part of what goes on in the Middle East.
But you have to ask, why do the fallen realm want the little borders around the countries redrawn?
Or do they want it?
Who wants that?
I think the key to understanding all of this is that the word Armageddon, which denotes the final battle of the age, that's where the forces of evil led by the Antichrist lead the world to war against Israel.
We've been taught by many respected Bible teachers, men that we love and respect, for years, that Armageddon is the Mount of Megiddo.
And that's based on a mistranslation of what John was writing in Revelation chapter 19.
Armageddon is based on the Hebrew phrase, Harmo'ed, which means mount of assembly or mount of the congregation.
He had to transliterate it into Greek and then back into English.
And it was, you know, there was a character in Hebrew called Ain, which does not have a corresponding letter or sound in either Greek or English.
The bottom line is the Mount of Assembly for our God is Zion, and that is Jerusalem, specifically the Temple Mount.
So all of this will ultimately lead to Jerusalem, which is why so much blood has been spilled over that land, especially since 1948, even 1946, when the civil war for control of the British Mandate of Palestine began.
But the map lines are being drawn.
With the fall of Bashar al-Assad, the former dictator of Syria in December, we saw this Sunni group.
Really, it's Al-Qaeda in suits, is what they are, called HTS.
They're backed by Turkey.
Now, the Kurds have controlled the eastern part of Syria, or the, yeah, the eastern part of Syria, east of the Euphrates River.
But recently, the Sunni group, HTS, and the Kurds signed an agreement to come together as one.
That makes things very difficult for the Alawites, who are Shia Muslims, and the Christians in the western part of Syria along the Mediterranean.
And over the last three weeks.
Getting killed.
Yeah, there's some estimates that as many as 7,000 to 9,000 Alawites and Christians have been killed by HTS in the last few weeks.
A number of them took refuge at the Russian airbase near Latakia and were begging the Russians for protection.
The Alawites went on social media.
They were begging Benjamin Netyahu, Israel, come protect us.
Then you've got the Druze.
The Druze are Muslim, or rather, they're Arabs, but they're not Muslims.
And they occupy a number of villages next to the Golan Heights.
Israel has moved into that region to create a buffer zone between Syria and Israel.
But they've also got a very large area in southern Syria on the border with Jordan.
And the Druze are asking Israel to come in and protect.
So we've got what may become an autonomous Israeli Druze zone in the southern part of Syria.
You've got the Sunni HTS group in control of the center part of Syria.
Although now the Kurds are being drawn in from eastern Syria, you've got the Alawites, the Christians.
So you've got these various factions who've divided up Syria.
The thing that makes no sense to me, at least from a natural perspective, is that HTS was backed by Turkey.
Exactly, because Turkey and the Kurds do not get along.
Not at all.
Turks.
I mean, here's the other thing.
Arabs and Turks don't get along either.
And Arabs and the Kurds don't usually get along.
So you've got these groups that it almost is like a cartoon where you've got these men who are shaking hands with one hand and holding a knife behind their backs with the other.
How is this going to shake out?
I don't know.
Our good friend Avi Lipkin, who is on the ground in Israel, who does a weekly news update from Israel and you should watch.
Yes.
You should watch it every week.
It's available on YouTube.
Avi Lipkin, L-I-P-K-I-N.
He's been a political observer and a participant in politics in Israel for decades.
He says he can't figure out what's going on.
Why would the Kurds sign a deal with their mortal enemies, the Sunni Muslims, especially because they're backed by the Turks?
At the same time, the Kurds inside Turkey, the group called the PKK, a group that's been designated a terrorist organization by not just Turkey, but by the United States as well.
The man who founded the group, who's been in a Turkish prison for almost 30 years now, has put out a call to his followers saying, lay down your arms and disband.
It's like, wait, what?
They've been fighting a war for independence, sort of a low-level war in southeastern Turkey since the 90s.
And suddenly he's saying, disband.
Something is going on behind the scenes that we can't figure out.
Spiritually speaking, there is something taking place.
In the book, the Old Testament, we see where the Prince of Persia and the Prince of Greece go to war with one another and the Prince of Greece is the one who wins.
That means that there are spirits in charge of every country, every tribe.
Who's in charge of Turkey?
Well, Jesus referred to Pergamon as the seat where Satan dwells.
That's in Turkey.
All seven of those churches in the book of Revelation are in Turkey.
Erdogan, Rajib Erdogan, who is in charge of Turkey right now, wants to take the entire world and call it his because he wants to bring back the old Ottoman Empire that was dissolved in World War I.
Yeah, he has actually said in speeches recently that Syria belongs to Turkey, that it is still Turkish territory.
The Ottomans gave it up when the empire dissolved after World War I, but he wants it back.
So some game is being played in this spirit realm behind the scenes where these pieces are being moved on the chessboard.
The only thing we know for sure is that coming back to what I said at the beginning, it all points to Jerusalem because that will be where Armageddon is fought.
You know, Sky News Australia is reporting that thousands of Palestinians in Gaza are calling for the end to Hamas's rule.
So, I mean, we were just speaking that there are lines being redrawn right now where maybe there's going to be a collective, what they call maybe a peace area as well.
But what's next for Gaza?
Well, while this is happening, the Israeli defense forces have reportedly, the new leadership of the IDF has reportedly put together a plan to go in and reoccupy Gaza for the first time since 2005.
You might remember back in 2005, then Prime Minister Ariel Sharon unilaterally withdrew Israelis from the Gaza Strip.
In fact, they forcibly removed some of the Israeli settlers who had established communities in Gaza.
They didn't want to leave, but the IDF forced them out, and this was supposed to bring peace.
Well, obviously, it hasn't.
So they may go back in and re-impose direct Israeli control over Gaza.
The United Arab Emirates reportedly is trying to convince the Trump administration to torpedo the plan put forward by Egypt to rebuild Gaza.
This is like a $53 billion proposal, would not involve relocating the Arabs from Gaza.
The UAE wants Hamas destroyed.
Now, Egypt is not favorable to re-establishing the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas being an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood, but they found Hamas to be a useful thorn in the side of Israel.
So the UAE and Egypt are now having some tension between those two nations because Egypt wants to accomplish this without taking in any refugees.
Egypt does not want the Arabs from Gaza inside Egypt because they're troublemakers.
That's so true.
But do not forget that Yemen is still at war with Israel and with the rest of the world.
Anyone who comes anywhere close to Yemen, they lob drones at them, rockets at them, whatever they happen to have, then they dance.
It is, yeah, again, it's a very interesting question.
I think the one thing that's most interesting, and I will probably include this in a forthcoming book that I plan to write about this long war that leads to Armageddon, because Armageddon is just the last battle in a long war for control of God's Mount of Ascension.
Started back in Genesis.
Started back in Genesis.
Gaza, the chief deity of Gaza, was Dagon, but Dagon was just another name for the Canaanite creator God named El, for whom Jeroboam, who led the northern tribes to rebel against the son of Solomon, set up the golden calves at Beth-El, which means temple of El or House of El, and at Dan at the foot of Mount Hermon.
It is also the chief deity of the ancient kingdom of Ammon, the Ammonites, called Milkom.
Victory Over Baal 00:08:12
Well, the Hebrews referred to him as Molech.
This entity, I think, is one of the territorial spirits, but also a very dangerous, very powerful spirit.
We believe he's one of the sons of God who was condemned to be thrust down to Tartarus, according to Peter, 2 Peter 2, verse 4, who is still in his mind thinking that he's going to somehow get out of the abyss, the bottomless pit, Tartarus, and reclaim that throne that he thinks belongs to him.
Well, you and I, and I think L.A. Marzuli and others have an idea that Satan may have played a role in that Watcher event when probably 200 or so angels who at the time were loyal to God, but when they got down to Mount Hermon, they decided, why don't we just start dating those lovely human women?
Well, what if Satan put him up to it and said, okay, you do this, build an army, we'll take God down, then I'll get you.
If for some reason he judges against you and he throws you into the abyss, I will get you out.
I promise.
Well, I think that Satan is in charge of Turkey, who seems to be coming to the fore.
But at the same time, another weird thing going on.
The Persians are rising up against the Ayatollah's.
A lot.
We're talking tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands.
And those Ayatollahs.
Yeah, yeah.
They're looking at this as their last opportunity to provoke the return of the Mahdi.
And the Shia concept of the Mahdi is different than the Sunni concept of the Bahati.
That's a whole other subject that we could spend an entire hour on.
But the bottom line is that in the spirit realm as well as in the physical realm, with the turmoil in Gaza, with the turmoil in Syria, with the turmoil, with thousands upon thousands of people protesting against protesting in Turkey against Erdogan.
The map lines are being drawn in a way that we haven't seen for 100 years.
To be a watchman on the wall, to watch for the signs, to watch for the things to come and bring people like the Gilberts to help us understand how to interpret.
Listen to that word, how to interpret and understand what is taking place in the Middle East, because a lot of people tune out when they stop understanding how relational is this to Bible prophecy.
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Amen.
I got to ask you this, Gilberts, because everything that you have been discussing and putting together so amazingly, how does this fit into Bible prophecy?
Well, again, it all points back to Israel and who controls that Mount of Assembly.
We see that phrase, by the way, in Isaiah chapter 14.
That was the goal of the rebel from Eden who was kicked out.
He wanted to establish his mount of assembly, his mount of the congregation, his Har Moed, in the sides of the north, the heights of the north, the remote slopes of Safon in some translations.
That's a reference to Mount Safon, which everyone in the ancient world knew was the mountain sacred to Baal.
Now, why is that important?
Because Jesus identified Baal in Matthew 12, beginning at verse 22, as Satan.
Jesus was confronted by the religious authorities of the day who accused him of casting out demons by the power of Beelzebub, which means Baal, the prince.
And I guess we didn't turn off the reactions after all.
Oh, I thought they were still.
Yeah, anyway.
Anyway, Jesus said, if Satan casts out demons by his own power, how will Satan's kingdom stand?
And as Sharon pointed out earlier, the letter to Pergamum in Revelation 2, verse 13, which Jesus identified as the place where Satan dwells, that was a reference to the great altar of Zeus.
Zeus was just the Greek form of Baal.
So we're dealing with Satan.
That mountain, Mount Sephon, is in Turkey.
It's near ancient Antioch.
It's called Jebel al-Akra today.
And, you know, so we know where this is.
This is also referred to in Ezekiel 38 and 39, when Gog of Magog comes from the uttermost north.
That phrase, Yarakate Sephon, is that same phrase from Isaiah chapter 14, sides of the north, the heights of the north.
It's in Turkey.
So keep your eye on Turkey, but not just the geopolitical physical entity of Turkey.
When you're talking about that phrase, uttermost north, heights of the north, sides of the north, we're talking about supernatural north, the place where Satan has got his mount of assembly.
That's where he's going to lead.
military commander in chief, the Antichrist, will lead this army against Israel in the end times.
And all of these pieces on the human puzzle or chessboard that we see being moved around today in Turkey, in Syria, in Iran, in Gaza, in Egypt, perhaps, which is not as stable a country, even though the military is in control, not as stable as they would like everyone to think.
We may not see and understand what's going on there, but there are hands behind the scenes that are moving those pieces.
And that's why Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus.
We wrestle not against flesh and blood.
We're not wrestling against human opponents.
We're not seeing human enemies.
It's the supernatural enemies of God that are in play here.
We just pray for the discernment to understand what they're trying to do, even though we may not see it fully until it's already in the rearview mirror.
Wow.
Amen.
Monty, you want to hear your little sneak peek?
Absolutely.
The devil loses.
I read the back of the book.
We end up winning that one.
Do you know that?
Man, I'm so glad.
Friends, we sometimes will lose light of what the end of the book says.
The book of Revelation, people think it's a scary book, an eschatology book only, where it's just doom and gloom.
Friends, we win.
If you're a believer in Jesus Christ, that's a victory for you.
This entire book is victory after victory after victory after testimony after testimony of God's faithfulness, his goodness.
Friends, in Genesis chapter one, before everything was created, he was faithful.
Revelation chapter 22, when this whole world sees to find its end and there's a new heaven, a new earth, he'll still be faithful.
He's always been faithful.
It's who he is and he'll always be faithful because that's who he is.
Friends, I want you to let you know, you might be going through trials, you might be going through tribulations, but you are victorious.
You are the winner.
You will come out on top.
Life doesn't always, you know, it's not always going to be easy.
You'll have trials.
You'll have tribulations.
You'll have rough moments in your life.
You may have marital issues, family issues, financial issues, job issues.
But friends, you have the victory in Christ.
You are running this race.
You're going to cross that finish line if you stay close to him.
And like I said, one of the sneak peek, you end up winning.
We end up winning, friends.
I promise you.
Nothing this world can throw at you can take away what the Lord has promised you when you're in relationship with him, when he knows you and you know him, and that is eternal life.
You know, Derek and Sherry, I want to dive into another issue.
We've gone so quickly through this show.
We only have 20 minutes left.
One thing I know you guys have really been studying, you guys are on the cutting edge of, is artificial intelligence.
I just want to know how enriched in our lives or entrenched, excuse me, in our lives is artificial intelligence.
Wando, we see it now in everything.
AI's Invisible Touch 00:09:03
The new update for the phones, artificial intelligence now built into it.
You know, we've had Siri, Google, soft, you know, intelligence, but now we're getting more deep, you know, deep study intelligence that are able to, you know, pass the bar exam, things like that.
But how entrenched in our lives are we diving into artificial intelligence?
You know, those who are my age will remember the old commercial where the woman has her fingers in some sort of liquid and Madge, the manicurist, is talking about some sort of dishwashing soap and she goes, oh, you're soaking in it.
Ah, we are soaking in artificial intelligence.
We interact today through algorithms that are designed to help us connect with you seamlessly.
Think about the idea when I was growing up and watching Dick Tracy looking on his little phone and being able to communicate.
That was crazy.
We take it for granted that we can do that now.
AI is operating our world, and it's not just our communications in the civilian realm.
It operates communications in defense.
Think about that.
Yeah.
One of the most concerning areas is in what some activists are calling lethal autonomous weapons systems or laws, putting AI into killer robots, killer drones.
It is coming to the battlefield.
We've seen this in science fiction for years.
I mean, think the Terminator series or the Cylons of Battlestar Galactica, the Cybermen of Doctor Who.
But it is coming.
It is very close to being reality.
Our defense department has already, a couple of years ago, they tested an autonomous ship.
There was one man aboard just in case something went wrong.
He knew what, I guess, buttons to push to fix it, but it was run by an algorithm run by an artificial intelligence program.
Yeah.
And they're testing out drone swarms.
U.S. Navy tested a swarm of drones that are controlled by an AI that overwhelms the defenses, the anti-aircraft defenses of, say, a ship or a defensive position on the battlefield because there are just too many to shoot down.
And the swarm, they literally came up with an acronym locust.
And I don't know what it stands for.
Again, they kind of created the name of the system to come up with that acronym.
But it's like a swarm of locusts.
So these sorts of things are coming.
It's like something out of Joel.
Yeah, exactly.
Joel's army.
Yeah.
So it is not just in our everyday lives where we're using it to help us with search engines or writing better term papers.
But yeah, it is coming to the battlefield.
And that is disturbing because you don't even need to be a believer in end times prophecy to see how something like that would be very useful to a future one world government.
It's also coming for our children.
Most young people today have access to a phone or an iPad, some sort of device that allows them to get on the internet and deal with social media.
And it seems like a fun game in many cases, but there are these chat bots, some of them designed specifically to help interact with a person who is at risk.
And by that, I mean they're imagining themselves no longer being alive.
That in some cases, those chat algorithms have actually encouraged that ideation, not discouraged it.
They've actually told the child, well, then why are you here?
Let me just go off and stop being alive.
Or you can join me by doing this.
It's even worse.
Can you imagine that?
If you have a girlfriend or someone that you identify, a boyfriend, a friend, a teacher image, a parent image, and the person says, or worse yet, they can actually emulate anybody they want with enough data.
They can pose as perhaps your long-lost grandfather that you loved so much.
Or a child who died too young.
Yep.
Come and join me.
Right.
We're waiting for you.
That's already.
I want to tell you something.
What you just said is so real.
Yeah.
I know somebody very close to us that their children has been changed through the device that is being sold to our generation called virtual reality.
The headsets, yeah.
And this headsets allow you to enter into this virtual reality world where you're meeting people from all over the world.
And this young lady, about 12 years old, believes that her real life is in this virtual reality.
And it has changed, rewired her brain to believe that her future, her love, her best friends live in this virtual reality world.
And now this young lady doesn't know how to function in the real world to the point where it started changing who she is, how she feels, who she represents herself as.
And it's one of the most dangerous devices because while the parents are downstairs playing on their phone, this young children are entering a different type of world that is literally changing their outlook in life.
And this young lady is not the same young lady that I used to know.
This is real.
It may not be real to you because you don't deal with it, but it is real to a generation that all they know is virtual reality.
And I want to tell you something.
To try to get them out of that world is almost close to impossible because this young lady looks different, sounds different, communicates different.
But anytime she puts that headset on, she becomes a different person.
Her life is there.
Everything you're saying, it's happening right now.
And thousands upon thousands of parents are having to deal with this reality today.
And some of the experts in the artificial intelligence world have warned that a lot of has been unleashed into the world of artificial intelligence.
We were not ready for.
We don't understand it yet.
It helps us.
Listen, I gravitate to it because I'm not a good speller.
I don't even know how to put an email together half of the time because I don't know how to spell.
But I use ChatGPT to help me organize my thoughts and really translate into English.
Absolutely.
He doesn't have it translated into English.
But you know, it helps me.
So you see the good.
But then when it's not controlled or monitored, it turns your life upside down completely.
That's right.
The Bible says, you read it earlier.
What in Matthew 24?
How did you start?
Don't be deceived.
We will be deceived.
Don't allow deception.
Our younger generation is being deceived by a virtual reality program that was unleashed to the world, yet no one still knows the kind of impact that is making, that is going to make.
And there's people right now lining up.
You will not believe this, but all you have to do is Google it and do your research.
But people are on a waiting list to buy robots, to have relationships with, whether it be sexually relationships or whether it be a friendship.
But this tells you we have a problem in our society today.
And the key is the church.
Well, why do you say that?
Why?
Because you said it again earlier.
I will build my church.
Listen, the church is still the key that God is going to use.
Don't curse the church.
The church hasn't been perfect.
As a matter of fact, the church is not for perfect people anyways.
It's for people like you and I that are messed up, that need God every single day.
So don't throw the church away.
We need the church.
We need the church.
We need the local body.
We need us together to help us understand, Ricky, what's happening right now and how things are fast developing that is even changing our pulpits today.
Why Should We Care About CBDC? 00:08:00
That's right.
You know, Derek and Chairman, on the same note, I want to ask you, it's just 10 minutes left in the broadcast.
Why should we pay attention to the ongoing test of a central bank digital currency?
I wanted to say that correctly, a central bank digital currency.
Why should we, as Christians, really even be paying attention to that?
Yeah, this is something called a CBDC.
That's the acronym that's used, central bank digital currency.
We wrote about this a bit in our book, Giants, Gods, and Dragons, as we wrote about the four horsemen of the apocalypse.
This is connected, and it's our belief that those four horsemen have been riding since the first century when the lamb who was slain, and we see this in Revelation 4, 5, and 6, appears next to the ancient of days and begins opening the seals of the scroll.
The rider on the black horse is representing financial slavery, financial servitude.
Now, people have been asking for a little while a digital currency like Bitcoin, cryptocurrency.
Is that the mark of the beast?
Well, it is the technology that will lead to the mark of the beast.
Bitcoin is decentralized.
There is no one person, one company, or one government that has any control over it.
It is decentralized.
The transactions are reconciled by computers all over the world.
They do the calculations, confirm, yes, this much Bitcoin is being sent to this person from here to here.
Nobody has control over Bitcoin.
But a central bank digital currency using that blockchain technology is in the control of a central bank, which is usually controlled by the government to which the central bank answers.
In the United States, that's the Federal Reserve Bank.
Canada, it's the Bank of Canada, the Bank of England in the UK, the European Central Bank in the EU, Japan Central Bank.
And many of these are getting together and doing trials of central bank digital currencies.
Right now, as we speak, the New York Federal Reserve Bank is part of a trial.
Now, President Trump has said, we will never have a CBDC while I am president, but he's not going to be president forever.
The reason we should be concerned and paying attention to this is because the central bank digital currency runs through a government-controlled entity, which means every transaction is reconciled by that entity, that central bank.
Everything you buy with that CBDC is known to the government.
Financial privacy, that's gone.
Everything you buy is known to the government.
What's more, a CBDC can be programmed to disallow purchases of unauthorized things.
Oh, you want to buy a Bible?
I'm sorry.
That's been determined to be hate speech.
So you cannot purchase that item.
Oh, wait.
You've been shadow banned on this social media site for your activity.
You can't buy today.
Yeah.
You're outside.
They can be geo-fenced because all of our phones have GPS chips inside of them that are pinging the GPS satellites.
You're outside the boundary of your 15-minute city.
You can't buy anything until you go back inside the limits of the area where you're allowed to travel.
We saw those kind of travel limits in certain countries, Australia in particular, during the COVID lockdowns.
So that's why central bank digital currency is important.
It may not be the mark of the beast itself, but I'll tell you what, it looks more like the mark of the beast than anything we have seen to date.
The other thing is that a lot of people may not be aware that there are two world financial entities.
One is called the World Bank.
The other one is the International Monetary Fund.
And the U.S. gets to a point, is it the President of the World Bank?
And the European Union, I think, opposes.
I'm not sure about the IMF, but.
But essentially, these two entities very silently tell countries what they can and can't buy.
The IMF lends money to a lot of times countries that don't have a whole lot of money.
But the collateral is essentially the people of that country.
And most of the time, those countries can't pay.
So the IMF takes silent control.
It's like the silent partner in your government.
Man, this is amazing because it's leading up to my question right now.
We only got five minutes left, but what is the latest on the avian flu outbreak?
Because again, this will be connected with what you just mentioned.
Locking down.
So where are we with this avian flu outbreak?
Well, there are two things, and I'll talk about one.
Derek and really address the other one really quickly.
First of all, it's spreading amongst a whole lot of mammal populations.
Most recently, a few days ago, it was announced that a sheep in the United Kingdom had contracted H5N1, the avian flu, at a time when there were a lot of dead birds in the area that had avian flu.
So sheep can now get it.
Cows can get it.
Cats can get it.
Dogs can get it.
Humans can get it, but we cannot transmit it easily from person to person.
That might come.
But there were rules that were approved last May regarding whether or not if there is a pandemic announced, then the World Health Organization will be in charge of telling countries what to do.
Yeah, they refer to it as a P-hike, a public health emergency of international concern, P-hike.
And the international health regulations, which are part of essentially, it's a treaty that's been signed by all but five nations on earth.
The United States is a signatory to the World Health Organization's international health regulations.
Although President Trump wants to withdraw from the WHO, stop funding the WHO.
Yeah, I really hope that he does, because it gives, it's essentially a legal framework that establishes the World Health Organization as a global government.
When a public health emergency of international concern is declared, like avian flu, they're also talking about dengue fever.
They can not only tell governments how to respond to this public health emergency, they've defined things like information as under their control.
Because if we're telling people that perhaps they shouldn't take this particular experimental treatment, they can declare that an infodemic.
And then they control all the social media platforms.
Right, right.
This is misinformation, disinformation, malinformation.
The World Health Organization claims the authority to control the flow of information regarding this public health emergency.
And so suddenly they become a global government, which again is why we hope and pray the United States actually withdraws from the World Health Organization.
You know, we've been seeing this for a long time, people saying, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that.
And we hope that the administration that's in right now, we pray for our president the same way we prayed for our last president.
Even if you didn't agree with him, friends, we were still to pray that the Holy Spirit would help guide him, that the Holy Spirit would still influx his life.
You know, he called himself a believer.
So we prayed that Jesus would influence his decisions.
Didn't seem that that was always the case, but we're still called to pray for leaders.
Even our current administration pray for Donald Trump and his vice president, JD Vance, to make the right decisions for congressmen, senators, representatives to make right decisions on behalf of their state as well, even down to your school boards.
Hold Elected Officials Accountable 00:03:21
Mondo is just as important.
But, friends, whenever somebody makes a promise, especially a campaign promise, we as believers need to hold them accountable to those promises.
Don't be afraid to call your local congressmen.
Don't be afraid to write those letters.
Don't be afraid to say, Hey, there was a promise made.
Let's ensure there was a promise kept.
We need to, you know, you see, accountability is important, not just within the church, but even within our own government.
We need to be able to hold elected officials who were elected by citizens of the United States of America accountable.
I think it's very important.
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That's right.
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Amen.
Friends, it's important that the church does respond during critical times.
And we need to make sure that we are the hands and feet of Jesus, that we're the clothes facilities, that we're the food banks, that we're the place that someone can run to whenever they've lost everything.
We need to have open doors as the church because, friends, sometimes it's a meal, sometimes it's a clean pair of clothes, sometimes it's a shelter over somebody's head that will open up their hearts to the message of the gospel.
Friends, that's the most important thing is in making sure you have a relationship and making sure those around you have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
Don't be scared to evangelize.
Don't be scared to tell people in that drive-through window, Jesus loves them.
Do not fear rejection in the day we're living in.
Ensure you're going out there and telling people that God loves them because, friends, he really does.
He sent his son to die on a cross for them.
Derek and Sharon Gilbert, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
We love you guys.
All the way from Crane, Missouri, far distance away, we love you guys.
We say thank you.
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And I can say with confidence, that's Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
Friends, if you are going out right now to work, if you're coming back home, if you're in the middle of your lunch break or in the middle of your day, I want you to remember this and don't let anybody tell you otherwise.
That God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
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