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April 9, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Kent Hovind
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Winning Souls Again 00:08:19
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guest is science and math teacher for over 15 years and Baptist pastor and evangelist for over 50 years, Dr. Kent Hovind.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
We have an exciting broadcast for you today.
You're not going to want to miss this.
We have Dr. Kent Hovind with us today.
Dr. Kent brings a wealth of knowledge and experience with 15 years of teaching science and math in high school and over 50 years of ministry as a Baptist pastor and evangelist.
He's committed to using the latest scientific evidence to strengthen faith in God's word, guiding individuals closer to Christ.
He also has a location in Lenox, Alabama called Dinosaur Adventure Land.
I'm going to have to go visit that.
We'll tell you right now, you guys are going to be blessed by the show with Dr. Ken Hovind.
We're going to get into that in just a minute.
But Mondo, it all starts in Genesis chapter one.
I don't know if you know that.
No, I didn't.
I don't know if you guys know that out there.
It all starts in Genesis chapter one.
I heard this phrase one time when I was a young man and it really shook me to my core.
And it's, if you get the beginning wrong, the foundation's wrong.
And I thought, okay, that makes a lot of sense.
You know, we want to make sure our foundation is set.
Dr. Ken Hovind is someone who lays the foundation in such an easy to understand manner.
Friends, you're going to be absolutely blessed by this broadcast.
Before we get into Dr. Kent, I want you to open up your Bible, friends.
We're going to read a little bit from 1 Timothy.
I've been really loving the New Testament.
I don't know if you've come to our Sunday services here at Morningside Church, which by the way, we're getting a new name.
I'm announcing it this Sunday, a new name for the church.
But if you come to services, you realize I preach a lot out of the Old Testament, which I don't even know why.
I mean, I read the New Testament, and then every time I go to preach, the Lord's like, open the Old Testament.
There's so much wealth to be learned from the Old Testament.
But I've been really diving into the New Testament, reading it again, really relishing in the goodness of God, what he did on the cross.
But 1 Timothy chapter 1, or excuse me, chapter 2 right here.
It says this right here, Mondo.
First of all, then I urge that petitions, prayer, intercessions, and thanksgiving be made for everyone, for kings and all of those who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
This is good.
And it pleases God, our Savior, who wants everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.
For there is one God and one mediator between God and humanity, the man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all as a testimony at the proper time.
But Ronda, right here in 1 Timothy chapter 2, verse 4, it says, who wants everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of truth.
I really want to make the point.
I feel like the American church, and I'm talking to the American church because I'm in America.
The American church has lost the heart of everyone to be saved.
We see college kids on college campuses, maybe with a color hair that we don't like, maybe with piercings that we wouldn't get, maybe with tattoos that we would never see on our children.
You know, that's what they say.
And we say, you know, essentially, you know, to, you know, heck with them.
That's the way I've heard really pastors say it.
And I've heard them say the other word as well to say, oh, it's not my fault, not my problem, not my issue.
But the Lord sees that everyone should be saved.
Even that purple-haired, tattooed, pierced-up person who doesn't believe the same political ideology as you, who doesn't believe the same spiritually as you, the Lord would see that they would be saved as well.
I feel like the church has lost the passion to see whosoever will brought back in.
Something happened between 1995 all the way up to where we are today.
2025.
That the church lost the ability to be hungry to win souls.
We did see a decrease in evangelism.
We've seen that with the studies.
We don't teach it.
Evangelism has plummeted.
I mean, it used to be, Mondo.
I don't know if you remember this because you're a little bit older than I am.
But it'd be when you get in a discipleship group, they would send you out instantaneously out to the streets, Master's Commission, the ones you did at the Dream Center.
What'd they do?
Immediately turn you around, make sure that you understood your Bible, you understood your doctrine, send you right back out to where you came from and said, go win the loss.
The Bible says, he that winneth souls is wise.
That's right.
It's wisdom there.
And I want to tell you something.
The hunger to win one more for the kingdom.
Amen.
Not to see someone go to hell.
Amen.
That's true.
But the thing, but when it goes back to this, when you stop preaching about hell, people stop losing the hunger to win souls.
That's right.
So when you started seeing the disappearance of the message of repentance, the message of, you know, they coined it, hell and brimstone, right?
Yeah, hellfire and brimstone.
And people got scared and, oh, I don't want to be so hard.
I don't want to be.
But yet, the Bible is the opposite of that.
So when that message exited out of our pulpits, the hunger to win souls eliminated immediately.
And now the church became a club, a club that only the elite in the church, those that can give more, those that can speak more.
And all of a sudden, we lost the ability to even have a conversation about how to win a soul.
And you know, some people may not agree with everything that's being said, but friends, there was a Barna study that shows that only 4% of people who call themselves Christians in the United States of America are biblically literate, can answer basic fundamental questions about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
So you may be at home and you say, well, I don't necessarily agree with that.
My church is on fire.
By all means, stay on fire.
Get more hungry for Christ.
Go evangelize more.
I need churches like that across the United States to spark hope in your communities.
Continue to fight the good fight.
But there are churches who are asleep.
There are churches who are not doing the work of the Lord.
4% of people who call themselves believers in the United States of America are biblically literate.
We're at a decline, but friends, there is a hope.
What is that hope?
If you get close to the Holy Spirit, you'll get close to the word of God.
Get to know Jesus.
Get to know God the Father.
Get to know the Holy Spirit.
Have an intimate relationship with him, not just with words.
Don't walk the way you have always walked if it leads you away from Jesus Christ.
Don't talk the way you've always talked if it steers you away from the heart of the Father.
Get back into a place of your first love.
Go back to your first love.
Remember the moment when you got saved.
I want you at home to do that.
Remember the moment where the Lord Jesus Christ came into your heart where you said, I want you in my life.
Mondo, do you remember that moment?
Oh, very clear.
I remember that moment.
Friends, do you guys remember that moment when you accepted Jesus Christ?
You would have done anything in that moment.
It didn't matter what the Lord, he could have said, sell all your belongings and move, you know, to Zimbabwe.
You would have done it because you have this passion.
Get back to your first love.
That's my encouragement for you today.
If you're watching this and you're back at your first love, encourage somebody else today to get back to their first love.
Friends, that's what I want you to do today.
If you need help walking through that process, because sometimes you do, Mondo.
Yeah.
I want you to call us.
Our number is 1-888-988-1588 and walk into that process.
We'll walk you through the salvation prayer.
And also, friends, we'll make sure that you understand what the steps to salvation look like.
If you already have a relationship with Jesus Christ, we'll just talk with you through what you're going through.
Friends, we want to be a helping hand in this time as you walk through.
Mondo, what seems to be trials and tribulations for a lot of people.
But friends, we start at the beginning of this show talking about the foundations.
And friends, we're going to talk about an important foundation today, some questions of maybe like, where did God come from?
And friends, we have Dr. Ken Hovind.
God Beyond Time and Space 00:04:06
We're going to play a video from him that really explains well where God came from.
And then we're going to get to talking to Dr. Kent Hovind.
I am confused.
Being philosophically consistent and being a very honest person, I'm sure you can tell me where God came from.
And in addition, once you've told me where God comes from, please try to clarify how you can figure that a spiritual force can have an impact on a material universe to create it.
I think some years ago we already talked about that kind of thing in philosophical circles at any rate by posing the question: if angels are made of spiritual matter and a pen is made of material matter and spiritual matter displaces no space, how many angels can dance on the tip of a pen?
I have a sense of sort of reversal experience here, but please do.
Go ahead.
You've got five minutes.
Now, I just want to know which question is.
All right, you may take the rest of the minutes.
We're supposed to do one question at a time.
Which one would you like?
That was part of the format for the debate.
So, which one?
I want you to fill in the story of the rest of the beginning of the universe: God, spiritual matter, impact on material matter.
Okay.
So, two questions.
All right.
Go ahead.
All right.
Your question, where did God come from?
assumes that you're thinking of the wrong, obviously it displays that you're thinking of the wrong God.
Because the God of the Bible is not affected by time, space, or matter.
If he's affected by time, space, or matter, he's not God.
Time, space, and matter is what we call a continuum.
All of them have to come into existence at the same instant.
Because if there were matter but no space, where would you put it?
If there were matter and space but no time, when would you put it?
You cannot have time, space, or matter independently.
They have to come into existence simultaneously.
The Bible answers that in 10 words.
In the beginning, there's time.
God created the heaven, there's space, and the earth, there's matter.
So you have time, space, matter created a trinity of trinities there.
Time is past, present, future.
Space has length, width, height.
Matter has solid, liquid, gas.
You have a trinity of trinities created instantaneously.
And the God who created them has to be outside of them.
If he's limited by time, he's not God.
The guy who created this computer is not in the computer.
He's not running around in there changing the numbers on the screen.
The God who created this universe is outside of the universe.
He's above it, beyond it, in it, through it.
He's unaffected by it.
So the concept that a spiritual force cannot have any effect on a material body, well, then I guess you'd have to explain to me things like emotions and love and hatred and envy and jealousy and rationality.
I mean, if your brain is just a random collection of chemicals that form by chance over billions of years, how on earth can you trust your own reasoning processes and the thoughts that you think?
Okay?
So your question, where did God come from, is assuming a limited God.
And that's your problem.
The God that I worship is not limited by time, space, or matter.
If I could fit the infinite God in my three-pound brain, he would not be worth worshiping, that's for certain.
So that's the God that I worship.
Thank you.
He said, if I could fit the infinite God in my three-pound brain, he wouldn't be worth worshiping.
You know, friends, I've said this many times.
Go home, lay down, after you've taken your shower, brush your teeth, you're ready for bed, and do your best to try to exaggerate who God is.
Try.
You'll never be able to do it.
You can never exaggerate in your finite mind how big, how large, how great God is.
And Dr. Ken Hoven, you did a wonderful job at explaining that.
Dr. Kent, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
Burden Of Proof Debates 00:11:18
Well, thank you for having me.
It's an honor to be here, brother.
It's an honor to have you here.
An incredible life you've lived of showing people that Jesus truly is the way, the truth, and the life.
And he truly is who he said he is.
Can you walk us through that moment?
I know you probably vividly remember it.
I've known many, many generations of people who have watched this video.
What was going through your mind in this moment during this debate format?
Well, I've had 386 debates like that at universities all over the place.
I love to tear them up.
I believe the Bible is literally true and scientifically accurate.
So I've dealt with these kinds of guys all the time.
In 2 Peter chapter 3, Peter warned us in the last days, scoffers would come who would be willingly ignorant.
In the Greek, that means stupid on purpose.
They're willingly ignorant of how God made the heavens.
They don't understand what the earth used to be like.
And they're ignorant of the flood and they're ignorant of the coming judgment of God.
So I can't take credit for winning any of my 383 to the Lord, but it really helps their audience.
The students look at that and say, wow, the Bible's true.
I tell people, if you listen to all the evidence and watch my video series I've got on drdino.com, you'll say, man, when you're done, you're going to say, the Bible is true.
Then about a week later, you're going to sit up in bed in the middle of the night and say, oh, no, the Bible is true.
This changes everything.
I better start reading it.
Do what it says.
All I want to do with my ministry now for 56 years I've been a Christian is strengthen your faith in the word of God.
I believe the Bible is true.
Secondly, if you're not saved, I'm going to try to get you converted.
I tell them right up front, I'm after you.
Okay.
Thirdly, if you're saved and you're not doing much for the Lord, I'm going to try to make you uncomfortable.
There's a war going on, soldier.
Pick up a rifle, do something.
If you can't shoot, carry bullets or pay for the bullets.
Everybody can do something.
Brother, I've met Christians.
They got their calling in life is to serve as a professional bad example of how not to do it.
We don't need any more of those.
Okay.
But everybody can do something for the Lord.
So this ministry teaching on creation and dinosaur using dinosaurs for God's glory, I think Christians have, we gave up dinosaurs a couple hundred years ago and let the atheists have them.
No, these are God's missionary lizards.
You know, I really come on down and see Dinosaur Adventure Land in Alabama.
You'll see why.
It's a fine.
So your website's called drdino.com.
And then is this where people can find all of your videos, your teaching series, everything kind of in one website?
Yep, we're on about nine different channels.
They took us off of YouTube again.
We had 230 subscribers for a while.
And YouTube removes 4 million channels a year.
They don't want, they can't handle the truth.
So we're up on Rumble and to Odyssey.
We have our own TV app, Kenthoven.tv.
If you want to join that, we're open for free.
Dinosaur Adventure Land, brother, when I started making videos on science in the Bible back in 1989, I used to loan them out.
I learned right away: Christians don't steal, but they do borrow and never return.
We don't loan them anymore.
You can buy it for 50 bucks.
When you're done reading it, copying it, make all the copies you want.
You can return it for 50 bucks.
I don't know how else to do it, brother.
That's the simplest way I can get it.
But I don't loan stuff out to Christians.
Now, heathen, maybe, you know, they'd go to hell if they didn't bring it back.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, that's funny.
That's funny.
That's exactly what we were talking about.
You know, I want to ask you this question to start the show right off.
How can a Christian effectively demonstrate the existence of God to skeptics who demand empirical evidence?
Well, I say, guys, if you're talking about what we should teach to the children in public schools, the burden of proof is not on us.
There's only two options: somebody made the world or the world made itself.
Nobody's thought of a third option.
If I said, nobody made this pencil, everybody would think I'm insane.
I don't know who made it.
I don't know where they made it, and I don't care.
But somebody made this pencil.
Okay.
The whole universe shows obvious evidence of being designed.
But the atheists are always trying to put the burden of proof on us.
Who made God?
Where did He come from?
Like that guy in the debate there.
And how can we prove God?
Wait, guys, I'm not demanding that my, I believe God created the world.
I take that on faith.
I believe he did it in six days.
I believe he did it about 6,000 years ago.
That's what the Bible dates that up to.
But see, I don't have to defend my religion because I'm not demanding that it be taught at taxpayer expense.
I try to keep the burden of proof on them.
You guys want me to pay for all the kids to be taught that the universe began as a dot of nothing exploding?
That is stupid, like real stupid.
If you want to believe that, I don't care.
Believe whatever you want, but don't call it science.
You want me to believe that living things came from non-living matter?
And one guy said, What would you say, Hovind, if someday scientists make life in the laboratory?
I said, Well, if a bunch of intelligent scientists make life in the laboratory, I guess that would prove it took intelligence to make life, wouldn't it?
Wouldn't prove evolution, but they want me to pay to teach that evolution happened long ago and far away in a warm little pond, and they want to call that science.
And they make these stupid charts saying all the animals are related to each other.
I show them this all the time.
I say, guys, this is the chart from your public school text.
Do you believe humans are related to ducks and came from an amoeba?
Oh, yeah.
They'll say, yeah, we believe that.
Well, you're welcome to believe that, but that's not science.
This is a propaganda poster.
It's not science.
Nobody's ever seen a duck produce a non-duck.
Never.
There are 200 or 176 now varieties of ducks in the world, and they might have had a common ancestor called a duck.
God said they'll bring forth after their kind.
He said it 20 times in the first seven chapters.
You'd think they'd get the message.
That's all that's ever happened.
But see, to keep the burden of proof on them, guys, you want me to pay to have your religion taught in our schools.
I think the burden of proof is on you to prove evolution.
It's not on me to prove creation.
I admit I believe by faith God made the world.
I believe God wrote a book, had people write a book and inspired it and preserved it flawlessly.
And I'm holding a copy of it right here.
I believe God made it all in six days.
He said so in the Ten Commandments.
He wrote that on a rock with his finger.
Moses honored the Sabbath because in six days the Lord made heaven and earth.
So I believe that.
But see, you got to be careful when you're debating with an atheist.
They're going to try to make you prove your point.
And you cannot prove where God came from or how God made the world.
I take it by faith.
See, they don't want to admit theirs is a faith.
That's why I constantly say every Thursday and Friday night on my channels, go to drdino.com.
We have open mic.
I start off, I say evolution is the dumbest and most dangerous religion in the history of the world.
Prove me wrong.
Call in.
They hate it when you keep the burden of proof on them.
That's a long answer to your short question, but so I can't prove God did it.
I believe God did it.
This is so powerful because these are the questions that Christians, especially today on social media, get asked the most.
And young Christians too are asking these questions because they're being taught indoctrination during school period.
You know, we were taught the, I went to public school as well.
I love the public school, but evolution was a thing that was taught during the time.
I knew through my biblical basis and my big old foundation, okay, that's not true, but it's still being taught.
And there's so many children who believe that.
Vamonda, like you said, the questions are being asked.
Yeah.
I got to ask you this.
What evidence supports the Bible's authentic and accurate when it comes to, especially when critics, critics love to claim that this book that we have faith in is merely a collection of myths.
How do you respond to that?
Well, nothing in the Bible has ever been proven wrong.
They try to find contradictions in the Bible.
I was a brand new Christian, East Peoria, Illinois, 1969.
I got saved, and I went to the Methodist church camp down in Bloomington, Illinois.
And the counselor there said, oh, boys and girls, there are contradictions in the Bible.
And he nearly destroyed my faith as a brand new Christian.
And so I've got a whole video, number seven, of my series, is questions and answers.
And there's a long section in there answering all the supposed contradictions in the Bible.
There are none.
The Bible is flawlessly, it's a seamless book written by 40 different men over 1,500 years on three different continents.
Most of the guys never knew each other, and they all blend together perfectly.
So when you get a book like that, you have to say, man, this has to be inspired by God.
God's actually the author.
And the Bible says things way before scientists ever discovered them.
There are whole books on that topic.
But I think if you look at, I taught biology and earth science and physics for 15 years.
If you just look at biology, there are so many millions of what's called a symbiotic relationship.
Certain animals require certain plants or they can't live.
Certain plants require certain animals to pollinate them.
Well, which came first?
Which came first, the male or the female of any species?
What if the male evolved 50 years before the female?
Oh, well, try again.
Okay.
What if he evolved 100 miles away?
I can't find her.
It's got to be in the same place at the same time.
It is just phenomenally complex.
And by the way, there are only two genders.
I tell this morons with the fancy colored hair, if you believe there's more than two genders, I'll pay you five bucks.
Come down to Alabama, try to milk our bull.
I want to watch that.
We're going to play it on America's funniest home videos.
That's right.
You know, we believe in the fundamental truths here that the word of God says it, then it is true that in the beginning, he created man and woman, and that's all he created.
We believe the fundamental truth of the word of God.
And I'm glad you do too, Dr. Ken.
I'm telling you right now, there's a few people who we bring on this broadcast.
I've said it many times, and I believe it.
I'm glad he's on our team because if you had someone like Dr. Ken Hoven and the brilliant mind that he had and he wasn't a believer, we'd be in a world of trouble.
You know, he's a brilliant man of God.
He's Holy Spirit inspired, and he's bringing us the truth.
Dr. Kent, I've watched countless hours of debate videos that have been put out there.
And there's one question that has been asked to you a couple of times, and you've always given a good response to it.
So I want to ask you here on this broadcast for people who maybe have never seen a debate of yours, but how can a loving and omnipotent God allow suffering and evil in this world?
Well, God gave us freedom of choice.
If you grabbed your wife by the throat and said, you tell me you love me, okay, I love you.
It doesn't mean anything.
God could have made us robots, walk around, oh, I love you, God, I love you, God.
That would be meaningless.
He gave us freedom of choice, and we chose to do the bad thing.
And when something bad happens, it's not God's fault.
It's like when you're children, you know, they're grown up.
Okay, don't touch the stove.
It's hot.
Whose fault is that?
It's their fault.
They shouldn't have touched the stove, okay?
God said, don't eat off that tree.
See, by the way, do you know why God made Adam first?
You guys ever been asked that question?
God made Adam first because he didn't want any advice on how to do it.
That's my humble opinion on that topic.
Anyway, so, yeah, God gave us freedom of choice, and we've chosen to do wrong, and you can't blame God for that.
If you don't put oil in your car and you blow the engine up, you can't blame General Motors for that.
Okay.
They sold you a car that had oil in the engine and told you to change it every 3,000 miles.
Claiming 4.5 Billion Years 00:10:54
And if you don't do it, it's your fault, not their fault.
So I think almost all of humanity's suffering is from our fault.
We did it to ourselves.
Or maybe it's a generational thing or grandma or grandpa.
If you drink alcohol, I've never tasted it.
I'm 72 years old.
But if you drink alcohol, you're going to have health problems and you're going to have financial problems.
You say, I can't afford to pay my rent.
Well, you spent $4,000 last year building a cloud of smoke over your head.
You put a button in your mouth and sucked on it.
Don't blame God.
You don't have any money.
You did it to yourself.
So I think most of our problems are self-induced.
Okay?
True.
You know, I want to talk about what you said just a few moments ago.
You said that you believe that the Earth is roughly 6,000 years old.
So what evidence supports a young earth perspective?
And how do you respond to the prevailing scientist consensus of an ancient earth that is billions and billions and billions of years old?
Well, there are two ways to answer that question.
The Bible says clearly, in the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.
Oh, cutting off my slides there a little bit.
There you go.
Okay.
So, how well there's a biblical answer and a scientific answer?
Okay.
Scientifically, the earth cannot be billions of years old.
It just simply cannot be for lots of reasons.
I don't think you're going to get the number 6,000 from the science, but you could in some instances.
If you look at the scientific evidence, if I told you this dinosaur toe bone was 70 million years old, you'd say, wait a minute, made in Taiwan.
No.
How do you know?
How do we tell the age of things?
If I told you these ink pens were 5,000 years old, I think you could easily prove that wrong.
You'd say, Brother Hovind, wait a minute, these pens, you're claiming they're 5,000 years old.
The ballpoint pin was invented in 1888.
Those are ballpoints.
So it had to be after 1888.
Good point.
You just proved my 5,000-year claim is wrong.
And you say, no, wait a minute, had to be after 88, so that's wrong.
You say, well, the first, it proves my claim of 5,000 is wrong.
You say, plastic wasn't invented till 1907.
Oh, well, there you just prove me wrong again.
We've got to move the date up to 1907 now.
And you say, well, BIC wasn't even a company until after World War II, 1946.
Sure, I got BIC ballpoint pens.
I proved they cannot be 5,000 years old.
I don't know when they were made, and I don't care, but they're not 5,000.
Okay.
So if you look at the age of the earth, they're claiming the earth is millions of years old.
I say, guys, wait a minute.
Let's look at a couple of things.
They're claiming it's 4.5 billion years old.
That's not possible.
The earth is spinning around.
I think everybody agrees with that.
Most people, okay?
But the earth is slowing down.
On my video number one of my series, I go through about 30 different scientific ways to show it's not billions of years old, guys.
The earth is slowing down.
Well, that would mean it used to be going faster.
If you go, it slows down a thousandth of a second every day.
Just Google leap seconds.
They do it every, what, two and a half, three years now.
They have to add a second to the clock because the clock, because the world is slowing down.
And they know why.
Tidal friction from the moon, lunar tidal drag, interfere, the Coriolis effect.
I cover video number one.
Just that proves it can't be billions.
Then you look at the moon going around the earth and say the moon's getting farther away.
Inch and a half a year.
Just Google receding moon.
They all agree.
The moon's leaving us an inch and a half a year.
Well, that means it used to be closer.
Duh.
How far back in time can you go before that would become a problem?
It turns out 1 billion years ago, the earth-moon system would collapse.
The gravitational field is too strong.
They pull each other.
So you can't have more than 1 billion years.
So they're claiming 4.5 billion.
I'm sorry, I disagree.
Scientifically, forget the Bible.
It can't be 4.5 billion years old.
I go through, like I said, 30 different ways.
When you look at the Bible, the Bible clearly claims that God created the world.
And Jesus in John 1 says Jesus created all things.
He made everything.
He was God Almighty in the flesh.
So if you look at the dates, Jesus was God open.
See, he answered and said, have you not read that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female?
Jesus said the creation of Adam and Eve was the beginning.
Pretty clear.
And Mark 10, 6, same thing.
From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female.
Jesus is the one who did it, so he should know.
And the Bible says man brought death into the world.
It was man's sin that introduced death onto this planet.
God made a perfect world.
Man messed it up.
Romans 5, 1 Corinthians 15.
So there's no question.
Jesus said the creation was the beginning, creation of Adam and Eve.
The Bible says nothing died till man sinned.
So was Jesus lying?
Was he stupid?
Or did he not understand science?
Bible says in the Ten Commandments, in six days the Lord made heaven and earth.
It's not a question of what it says.
It's do you believe what it says?
And the first man, Adam, was made a living soul, and Eve is the mother of all living.
So you put two and two together.
The Bible says nothing died till man sinned, and Adam's the first man.
So Adam was 130 when Seth was born.
Seth was 105 when Enos was born.
The dates are all given right there in Genesis 5.
Make a chart, add them up, which I've got right here, and I'll send you guys one if you'd like it.
You get some of these replacements when your skeptic friends come for lunch.
Watch the reaction.
Yeah, the Bible clearly teaches if you add up the dates from before the flood, and then Genesis 11 gives us more dates after the flood.
It comes to about 6,000 years ago, 4,000 BC for the creation.
I don't say it was 4,004 BC, October 23rd at 2 in the afternoon.
I don't think you can get that close.
We know Adam was made in the afternoon because it was just before Eve.
The only clue I can find in the Bible.
But the Bible dates add up to 6,000.
So the scientific evidence shows us it can't be billions.
And there's just the just watch video number one.
You'll see all that.
I don't want to whole program just on that, but it's a topic of interest to me.
And if it's only 6,000 years old, then how do we explain carbon dating?
How do we explain potassium-argon dating, rubidium strontium?
How did the light from the stars get here?
What about Grand Canyon?
But that's why my seminar is 18 hours long.
I talk as fast as I can go, okay?
But it takes a long time to cover all that.
Yeah, it does.
Well, we want to say thank you for answering these questions.
These are important questions, friends, because these questions, most likely in your Christian walk, will be asked to you.
Amanda, we've talked about this next thing you're going to bring up into the subject many, many times.
Amanda, I want you to go ahead.
You've got my opinion on it.
Let's get the professionals.
We used to say we got to talk about the elephant in the room, but I want to talk about the dinosaur in the room because there's been a lot of questions about dinosaurs.
Have they coexisted with human beings?
But what biblical backing does dinosaurs fit into the biblical worldview in the timeline that, again, that you have studied?
Well, it's very simple.
The Bible says that nothing died until Adam sinned.
So to teach the kids dinosaurs died before man got here would certainly be unscriptural, okay?
The fact is, reptiles like snakes and lizards and turtles never stop growing.
The Bible says the people used to live to be 900 years old.
What would happen if a lizard could live to be 900 years old?
It would be 50 feet long.
Dinosaurs were big lizards that lived with Adam and Eve before the flood came.
Noah took them on the ark.
You say dinosaurs on the ark, they're kind of big, aren't they?
Well, the big ones were big, but the little ones were little.
And Noah was 600 years old when he built that boat.
I bet he was smart enough to figure out, you don't have to bring the big ones.
Let's bring two babies.
Just be sure to get a pink one and a blue one.
There's lots of reasons for bringing babies.
They eat less, they poop less, they sleep a lot more.
And after the flood, they're going to live longer to produce more babies.
And that's why you're bringing them.
But I think he brought babies of everything.
After the flood, lifespans dropped off to 400 and then 200 and then 100.
And today, hardly anybody makes it to 100.
Something was different before the flood.
And I cover that on video number two.
Why did they live to be 900?
But I think in the world after the flood, the larger dinosaurs simply could not survive because something had changed.
The canopy that used to protect the world, the crystal canopy overhead, which I covered in video number two, was now gone.
So everybody's lifespan dropped off.
And some of the bigger dinosaurs, like my brachiosaur or a patiosaur, they probably couldn't even live long enough to reach maturity to produce babies.
And so they went extinct.
Second problem they had is people were hunting them.
They called them dragons.
And there are thousands of legends of people killing dragons around the world.
And there might be a few still alive today.
There have been thousands of sightings of creatures like Loch Ness monster, Lake Champlain monster.
I cover that on video number three for two hours.
Dinosaurs in the Bible.
They're mentioned in the Bible.
The word dinosaur isn't mentioned because that word wasn't made up until 1841.
So in a King James 1611 Bible, you're not going to have the word dinosaur.
It doesn't have the word computer either or automobile or probably a lot of stuff in there.
So it wasn't invented yet.
But so the video number three tells about dinosaurs that always lived with man.
Could be some still alive.
There's a lake between New York and Vermont called Lake Champlain.
Hundreds of people claim they've seen the Lake Champlain monster, like the Loch Ness monster.
And they all describe it as having a long neck and flippers, like a plesiosaur.
I interviewed Sandy Mancy.
Her interview is on my video when you'll get video three.
I said, Sandy, she took a great picture of it.
I said, Sandy, do you think you saw a dinosaur?
She said, no, I know I saw a dinosaur.
So there have been, what, five expeditions now to the Congo Swamp in Africa where they're claiming there's dinosaurs like this still alive.
Small.
They're only 20 feet long.
They're not 80 feet.
Okay, but people aren't living to be 900 either.
A missionary friend of mine was over there for years as a missionary in the Congo Swamp in Africa called the Lickawala Swamp.
That swamp is bigger than the whole state of Alabama.
80% of it is still unexplored.
I think he said his daughter was coloring a coloring book of dinosaurs.
He lived there as a missionary.
And the natives saw her coloring a dinosaur like this.
And they said, oh, that's Mocha Le Mbembe.
Don't get close.
They will kill you with their tail.
He said, they're still alive.
Oh, yeah.
Don't get close.
They're not friendly.
Guys, these lived millions of years ago.
We don't know about that, missionary.
All we know is we see them once in a while in the swamp.
We don't know about this millions of years ago stuff.
Satan is using God's own creatures to turn kids away from God.
I am sick of it.
I'm going to do something about it.
Our phone number is 855-BigDino.
I'm Extension 3, if you want to call me.
Our website, Dr. Dino, our dinosaur venture land.
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We have so much fun around here, brother.
We have visitors come from all over.
You guys got to come down and see it.
Only problem we have, we have well water.
And I taught biology for 15 years.
And a lot of people don't know this, but brother, if you drink well water, your babies will be born naked.
I must have only ever drank well water.
All three of mine were born that way.
You know, we were talking about this.
I love the fact that he opens up the line for debate.
He's not saying, well, only if you ever agree with everything that I've ever taught, you can call in.
No matter, he's saying, I am opening this up for even disagreements, but he's going to prove it through a biblical worldview.
Yeah, this is so key.
And listen, this is why you support this program.
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And a lot of us don't have the knowledge on how to even put words together.
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It is so critical.
Listen, Mateo and I were driving to Kansas City, and he began to ask me about how old the earth was.
And I asked him, well, how old do you think it is?
And of course, he gives me this billions of years theory.
And I said, well, let's go back to what the Bible says.
I said, grab my Bible.
I always keep a Bible in my car.
Always.
So if there's someone riding on the back seat, they can open it up.
And my son opened that up.
I said, start reading Genesis and let's start there.
Because that's where the world began.
That's where God intended it to begin.
And if you cannot understand Genesis, again, like you mentioned, you're not going to understand the rest of the book.
It's going to confuse you.
But I want to tell you something.
It is our responsibility as parents, grandparents, uncles, and aunts and grand, whoever it is, to biblically teach our generation about some of the topics that right now in the culture, Ricky, social media is going crazy over, and people are believing this theories.
That's right.
You know, it's important that we are the ones who teach the next generation, friends.
It's not about indoctrination like the world's doing.
We're saying simply, this is what the word of God says.
And I promise you, friends, your grandchildren, your children, your nieces, your nephews, once they open the word of God, the Holy Spirit will speak to them.
You know, Mondo, when the Holy Spirit fell, and we see this in Joel, we see this in the book of Acts.
It says, in the last days, he'll pour out his spirit on all flesh.
Friends, that's not just me.
That's not just my wife.
That's not just Mondo.
That's not just our producer, Ben.
He'll pour out his spirit on all flesh.
That's not just old.
That's not just young, on all flesh.
Does everyone understand what the word all means?
All flesh.
That's what it means.
He'll pour out his spirit.
And that's why I love this, Mondo, because the Holy Spirit, there's no junior Holy Spirit.
When your children get saved, there's no junior Holy Spirit for them.
We get the same Holy Spirit, the same God, the same one that died on a cross that loves for us.
It's the same Trinity, the same God that loves us.
Friends, I want to tell you, teach your children, teach your grandchildren.
These things may not seem important to you, but they are vastly important because we live in a world that is constantly trying to counter who God is and they're trying to use science to do it.
But friends, if you look at science, you'll realize everything that science has proven, the Bible has already said.
We've seen this many times.
Science will come out and say, well, you know, it's important that we do X, Y, and Z because we've now over, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars worth of research realize that that's the way to do it.
We say, well, the Old Testament has told us not to do that or to do that.
The New Testament has told us to do that or not to do that.
Friends, the Word of God has everything we need to sustain ourselves in this life in which we live.
And we have doctors like Dr. Ken Hovind who help walk us through the difficult question.
So, Doctor, I want to ask you this question, if you don't mind.
What evidence supports the occurrence of a global flood described in the story of Noah?
You were just talking about dinosaurs, you know, fitting onto this ark.
You were talking about, hey, it made a lot of sense.
I leaned over to Mondo.
I said, never even would have thought about that because every time I've seen the picture of Noah's Ark, what do I see?
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I see pictures of full-on giraffes hanging out the top of it, giant elephants walking around.
I thought, oh, that would be a very difficult thing to build.
It made a lot of sense.
Why not just get the small ones?
My goodness.
I feel like I have some common sense sometimes, but Dr. Kemp just made me realize I don't have enough common sense.
I need to get more common sense.
If I built an ark today, I'd be going trying to find the big ones.
I'll say right now.
But, doctor, how do we know that this global flood really happened?
Is there anything we have to support that?
Well, certainly the Bible clearly teaches it was a global flood.
Okay.
Secondly, there are hundreds of legends from countries that are not Christian, China, India.
There are hundreds of legends of a flood that destroyed the world.
And we see evidence all over the world from the massive, from the layers to the earth.
One of the dumbest things they teach, let me put that slide up there, brother.
Back in 1830, 200 years ago, they started teaching this crazy geologic column.
I taught earth science for 15 years.
A lot of people don't know this.
This geologic column they teach in our textbook, you know, Cenozoic, Mesozoic, the Jurassic Age, and all that.
It doesn't exist anywhere in the world except the textbooks.
I debate these guys all the time.
They say, well, they say, Hovind, these layers are different ages.
I say, guys, if the top layer is younger, I've got a simple question.
Where did it come from?
Did it come from outer space?
Are layers being added to the earth from outer space?
Every speck of dirt on the planet is the same age.
There is no geologic column.
This is their Bible, though.
There are layers to the earth.
You can go to Grand Canyon.
When I was at Grand Canyon, I paid the 50 bucks to take the helicopter right down to the bottom.
We went down to the bottom and the guy said, folks, we just went back 300 million years.
I looked at my watch.
It was the same day.
We didn't go back at all.
We went down in a big hole in the ground.
So the layers of the earth are all the same age.
They all formed in one big flood in the days of Noah.
If you look all over the world, petrified trees are found standing up, petrified, turned to stone, running through all the layers.
I don't know about you guys in Missouri, how long a tree stands up, but down here in Alabama, maybe a year, two years, not millions.
Petrified trees in the standing position are found all over the world.
I say, guys, if the layers are different ages, don't you think that tree is going to fall over and rot?
All those layers formed in one year.
You can get these little sand dart toys at Walmart or something.
When you flip it over, it'll make 10 or 15 or 20 layers in a matter of a few minutes.
It doesn't take millions of years.
The layers are not different ages.
So the layers to the earth is clear evidence of a flood.
I live in a gravel pit here in Lenox, Alabama.
They mined this area for 60 years for county roads.
Then they moved down a couple blocks.
They're still digging down there.
We have seven layers of gravel in our gravel pit.
It's gravel, sand, clay, gravel, sand, clay.
It goes all the way from here to North Carolina, 500 miles, these same layers of gravel.
Well, during the, and when I give my tours in the Jeep around here, we have, you guys got to come take the tour.
It's a lot of fun.
Everything's free.
We have 30 cabins you can stay in for free.
We'll feed you.
If you take too long, we'll give you a hammer, put you to work.
But I say, guys, these layers of gravel that we see in our gravel pit were made by the moon.
The moon?
Oh, yeah.
Tidal pumping.
Just come take the tour.
I can't take another hour to explain all that.
But the biggest problem is kids are being taught things that they don't stop and think.
They say the top layer is younger.
Oh, yeah.
How?
Where did it come from?
They don't get it.
They keep talking about a fossil record.
There is no fossil record.
There's a lot of fossils.
We got a huge collection of them in our museum.
There's a petrified clam in the closed position.
Petrified, closed.
What does that mean?
It means it was buried alive.
Because when clams die, they open and somebody eats them.
The seagulls are the fish.
Petrified closed clams are found on top of Mount Everest.
How do you explain that?
Atheists say, do you think the water was over Mount Everest?
No.
Mount Everest was under the water.
Big difference.
Psalm 104 says at the end of the flood, the mountains arose, the valleys sank down, and the water rushed off.
The mountain ranges came at the end of Noah's flood.
Maybe that's why, if you look at a map or a globe, you'll notice all the mountain ranges, almost all of them, follow the coastline.
Why would the Rocky Mountains follow the North Pacific?
Why do the Andes Mountains follow the South Pacific?
Why do the Appalachian Mountains follow the North Atlantic?
I think the Earth was busted up like an eggshell, and it's still broken up today.
The plates are all over.
We got the San Andreas Fault, the Hayward Fault, the New Madrid Fault.
None of them are my fault, but the world is broken up into plates.
And I think, especially when it first happened at the time of Noah's flood, when the fountains of the deep broke open, those plates would all be more loose.
Today they're getting locked in.
It's been 4,500 years.
But when they were all more loose, they could flex around.
And so the earth covered in water, all of a sudden, a section lifts up and tips down.
A piece of plate the size of Texas might tilt a mile.
Water rushes off, forming all the mountain ranges and all the oceans and all the erosion marks.
Grand Canyon probably formed in one week, not millions of years.
If you go to drdino.com or go to YouTube, can you just go on YouTube and watch type dam break at Dinosaur Adventure Land?
Is that okay?
We had a little dam here to hold one of our water back to fix the big dam on one of our lakes.
And we have fishing out here that's incredible.
You guys won't believe the fishing.
One guy caught a fish out here that far from the boat.
It took four guys to carry the picture.
That's how big the fish was.
You can come see that.
But the dam washed out in seven minutes.
Seven minutes.
You know, watch the video.
Grand Canyon formed in probably seven days, not millions of years.
Evidence for the flood, I think, is all over the world.
Petrified trees standing up is a good one.
The layers to the earth, the fact that we have fossils at all is a good evidence of a flood.
I asked on my tour, I say, how many animals do you think died in the last five years?
Millions.
Colonel Sanders killed a bunch himself, didn't he?
How many of those turned to fossils?
None.
Nobody sees fossils forming anywhere.
But the world is full of fossils.
They have to be buried quickly to fossilize.
Noah's flood probably made all or nearly all the fossils in the world about 4,500 years ago.
So video number six of my series is all about the flood.
Where did the water come from?
I was debating an atheist one time.
He said, Hovind, if there was a flood, where'd all that water go?
He said, it's still here.
It's in the oceans.
I flew over to Pacific to go to Australia to preach.
When I got back, I told one of the guys in my office, I said, man, that Pacific Ocean is huge.
He said, oh, that was just the top of it.
Yeah, there's a lot of water.
There's enough water in the world right now to cover the world a mile and a half deep.
If you smoothed out the world, there'd be 8,800 feet of water everywhere.
That's enough to drown in.
So the water from Noah's Flood is still here in the oceans.
Wow.
How incredible.
You have those DVD series available.
You said it's drdino.conference.
I want you to go encourage you to go to that website and see what he has because, friends, this is something I want to see Mono think people should play this for their children, their grandchildren.
They need to know the truth about the earth.
It's fascinating because it reminds you why we believe the way we believe, why we have faith in the substance of things.
What?
Hope for.
Hope for.
I want to tell you something.
This builds my faith.
Hearing you builds my faith to believe that the God of the Bible is real.
And a lot of people try to discredit every day.
They're pursuing the idea to discredit even the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
That's the truth.
And we're around the corner to celebrate the resurrection of our Savior, but still in the 21st century, every single day on social media, Hollywood, trying to spend millions of dollars trying to disprove that Jesus rose from the dead.
This is fascinating because if this doesn't build your faith, I don't know what else is going to wake you up.
You know, the theory of a flat earth and a round earth is still going on.
People are still debating that theory.
This is what's scary is that mankind is not satisfied.
Mankind is not being satisfied with nothing.
They just want to argue and argue and argue.
And the church still hasn't woken up to the idea that we have a resurrected Christ.
We're still trying to figure out, did it really happen?
Did something like this occur?
I mean, I went to church because my mother brought me to church and my generations went to church.
But do I really believe that I am saved by a Christ that died on the cross and resurrected after three days?
Did that really happen?
And doctor, I got to ask you this.
This story of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you got to answer this question.
What historical evidence sustains the resurrection of Jesus?
And how do you address the claims that a lot of people are having a hard time understanding because they're being told that this is a fabricated story?
Well, you'd have to say, first of all, obviously the Bible clearly teaches that it happened.
You can't read that book without coming to that conclusion, whether you believe it or not.
This book says Jesus died and rose from the dead.
Secondly, you have to look at all the change in these disciples.
They were running away scared after crucifixion.
Peter denied him.
A week later, these guys are willing to die for that.
You're not going to die for a lie.
Matthew was skinned alive.
One of the guys was sawn in half.
They were crucified upside down, all kinds of bad things.
People don't die for a lie like that.
They really honestly believed it.
These are the guys who were with Jesus 24-7 for probably a year and a half.
And they really believed it, and they spread the message worldwide.
I would also point, when you receive Christ into your heart as your savior, something changes inside of you.
I use the illustration.
It's like planting a seed.
Here is an acorn from an oak tree here.
All the scientists in the world cannot make an acorn.
All of the scientists together are dumber than a nut.
This thing knows how to make a tree.
Do you know how to make a tree?
Ask all the scientists, can you make an acorn?
No.
The tree can make millions of them.
And this thing knows how to make a tree, but it can't do its job if the dirt won't let it come in.
If I lay it on my desk, it'll stay here for years and never do anything.
If you open up the dirt, stick it in, now it grows a tree.
When a person receives Christ into their life, something starts to grow inside.
I don't think you can explain the radical change in people that happens when they accept Christ.
People go from drug addicts to, you know, preachers, and everybody's got a testimony of how when Jesus came in, he changed him.
Well, he must be alive then.
He came into my heart and changed me.
After I'd been saved about six months, I got to lead my first soul to the Lord at the heart of Illinois Fair in Bloomington, Illinois.
I'd never done it before.
I didn't know how to do it.
I got a gospel tract, God's four spiritual laws, and I read the whole thing to the guy.
And at the end, it says, Do you want to pray this prayer and get saved?
He said, Yeah.
I said, Oh, no, what do I do now?
I said, Close your eyes.
I kept one eye open.
I read the prayer off the track.
He followed after me, and he asked the Lord to save him.
When we stood up, he shook my hand.
He said, Kent, I've been worried about this for two weeks.
Thank you.
When he walked out of that door, I got down on my knees in the dirt beside that chair and I said, Lord, I'm 16.
I don't know what you want from my life, but I want to do this the rest of my life.
Something snapped inside of me, brother, 56 years ago.
Jesus is alive.
I know him personally.
I talk to him every day, all the day.
Sometimes he yells at me, knock it off.
Okay, yes, okay, Lord.
So I can testify to the resurrection, my personal change in my life.
Things that they've got all these programs trying to change people from the outside, you know, these rehab programs and all that.
Well, hit change from the inside instead.
It really works.
So those would be the evidence that I give.
But again, I would keep in mind: the burden of proof is on them, not me.
I don't have, I'm not asking for me to teach dogmatically that we can prove scientifically.
No, I believe by faith it happened, and I've chosen to believe that.
If you disbelieve, okay.
But see, they want all of us to pay for their religion of evolution to be taught in the schools.
That is where the problem is.
They have a religion and they never admit it.
Evolution is nothing but a religion.
Nobody's ever seen a dog produce a non-dog.
Never.
They believe a dog came from an amoeba.
Okay, you can believe that if you want.
I think that's stupid.
But when I do debates with atheists, I oftentimes ask them just for a joke to put on my chart here.
Here it is.
I was debating one professor.
I said, Do you believe you're related to a strawberry?
He said, Oh, yeah.
So I got strawberry days right here related to a strawberry.
I said, one guy, do you believe you're related to a ladybug?
Yeah, I ask him these questions.
You believe you're related to a slug or an opossum or something.
Just kind of to make fun of him.
I have a little bit of the Elijah personality in me.
You know, he mocked the prophets of Baal.
Maybe he's sleeping, cry louder.
Did you guys know those prophets of Baal invented rock music?
Way back then.
A lot of people don't know it.
They were singing.
Come on, Baal, light my fire.
And it didn't work.
Come on, Baal.
Light my fire.
So, what strategies do you recommend for Christians to effectively be able to engage in conversations with skeptics?
Because we live in a world where, whether it's Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, any type of social media, face-to-face encounter, we will have these encounters.
What would you say to someone who is maybe going to have a conversation with someone who is a skeptic of the word of God?
I know you said the burden of proof is on them.
I think that's wonderful.
I think it's a great, actually, you know, it's an easy way to say, well, hey, I need you, you know, if you want me to believe what you're going to believe, I need you to prove that because we believe what we believe by faith.
But how can one enter into a conversation with maybe someone, even another believer who's a skeptic, maybe without causing offense in a brother?
Well, first of all, don't you realize there's probably some people you cannot reach, okay?
And everybody can reach somebody.
If you're 10 years old and you've accepted Christ, I bet you could reach an eight-year-old for the Lord.
He's not going to ask questions about potassium-argon dating.
Okay.
Everybody can reach somebody.
Start where you are, reach who you can.
Then, as your knowledge increases, as you grow in your faith and you read more, then you're able to reach a bigger audience.
But don't wait until you can reach the college professors to even start and forget them.
Okay.
I tell people: if you've got to plow your backyard and plant a garden to feed your family for the winter, and half of your backyard is hard dirt, rock, the other half is good soil.
Plant the good soil, and then if you get time, go work on the rock.
If you don't get time, oh well.
Okay.
So do what you can instead of waiting until you're able to do everything.
Stop.
Do something now.
Reach somebody today.
Go find a seven-year-old or a 10-year-old and talk to them about the Lord.
They'll listen.
They'll get saved.
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So, yeah, people wait, they want to wait till they know everything about everything before they even start.
Man, that's stupid.
Don't do that.
Mondo, you wrote that down.
What an incredible phrase.
What did you write down?
Start where you are, reach who you can.
That's incredible.
That's what we all need to be doing as believers: starting where we are and reaching who we can.
Friends, it might be your mother.
It might be your father.
It might be a grandmother, a grandfather.
It could be an aunt, an uncle.
It could be your children.
It could be those people you bring in.
Friends, start where you are.
Reach those who are around you.
You know, Mondo, whenever people get saved, we typically want to go and reach the world.
We forget about our communities.
That's why that phrase is so powerful to me.
Start reaching your community for Jesus Christ.
One man's argument will never be able to trump my experience with Jesus Christ because I knew I was one way and I knew I encountered Jesus face to face.
And now I'm a new creation in Christ.
Mondo, I know for you, same thing.
You lived one way, you had one lifestyle.
You encountered the man of Jesus Christ and you've never been the same.
Would anyone's argument of why they believe Jesus Christ ever didn't exist, would that ever be able to convince you he doesn't exist?
Not at all.
Why?
Because you've had experience.
That's it.
Friends, when you have that encounter with Jesus Christ, when you have the encounter with the Holy Spirit, God the Father, I'm telling you right now, your life will be forever changed.
When you have that Acts moment where Paul is, or excuse me, where Saul is turning to Paul, that Damascus road experience where he encounters Jesus face to face, I promise you, you cannot stay the same.
For a lot of you, it's as simple as saying a prayer: say, Jesus, I want you to come into my life.
I want you to rule and reign in my heart.
I want my will to be completely subservient to your will.
I promise you, whenever you cry out to the Lord Jesus Christ, he doesn't say, well, I'll get back to you in a few business days.
I'll get back to you when I have time.
He will meet you where you are.
You may say, well, I've done too much.
I've gone too far.
I've said too much.
You don't know what my past looks like.
Friends, Jesus knows what your past looks like.
Jesus knew every mistake you would ever make.
And yet he still chose to willingly hang on that cross and accept all the sins for eternity.
The sins that had been committed, the sins that were being committed in that moment, and every sin that would be committed in the future.
He bore on himself on that cross.
Mondo, can you imagine?
Know, whenever you sinned, whenever you were in a lifestyle of sin, you know, whenever you sinned, there was still something that would eat you up.
You still feel that conviction.
You say, man, that's not the right thing to do.
It's not the right thing to steal, kill, destroy.
The things that the devil doesn't feel right.
Can you imagine the sin of the entire world being weighed on one man's shoulders, on one man's back?
But, friends, the word of God is very clear.
It says, by his stripes, we are healed.
He was beaten and he suffered the most incredible way of death at that time, which was Roman crucifixion.
And he did it all for you.
He said he did it for the joy set before him.
And you know what the joy set before him was?
Well, friend, that was you.
You were the joy set before Jesus Christ.
And I say this many times in our church.
If he were to have to do it all again, I believe he would, but he doesn't have to.
It was a sacrifice good once and for all.
If he only would have dropped one drop of blood during that entire process, it still would have been good enough to cover the entire world's sins.
But he didn't.
He gave it all.
So, friends, for the God that gave it all to us, he came, lived a perfect life, fulfilled every law.
He hung on a cross boring all sins.
He died.
He rose again.
He ascended and he sits at the right hand of his father and he intercedes on your behalf for the God who gave it all truly.
We should give it all right back.
This life isn't our own.
And I promise you, life is so much sweeter.
Life is so much better.
Life is so much more amazing and fruitful when you say, you know what, God, I'm going to give it all to you.
Friends, you can make that choice today.
It'll be the most important choice you ever make.
You can call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
And we'll pray that salvation prayer with you.
If you need someone to walk you through those steps of salvation, if you're a prodigal son or daughter and you say, you know what, I was a believer at one point in my life, but I've drifted.
Friends, we want to walk you through coming back to who Jesus Christ is.
We want to help you find a good Bible-believing church in your area.
We want you to walk in the fullness of what Jesus Christ has for you.
Because when you were in your mother's womb and he was knitting you, he knew who you were.
He had a plan and a purpose for you.
He knew everything that he wanted you to accomplish.
And friends, whether you're eight years old or you're 88 years old, you still have time if the Lord woke you up to accomplish those things he would have you to do.
It is simply you saying yes to the Holy Spirit.
Make that decision today.
It's the most important decision you'll ever make.
We care about your eternal position more than your temporary happiness.
Yes, you might have to give away and give up luxuries of this world that you have loved at one point, things that you thought made you happy.
But friends, it will be well worth it in the grand scheme of spending eternity with Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior.
Dr. Ken Hoban, I want to say thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
I hope you'd come back on and answer this.
We had 22 questions.
I think we were able to ask about 10 of them.
So I hope you'd come back on and be on the Jim Baker show, the PTL Television Network, once again.
I'd be honored to.
Thank you, guys.
Awesome.
God bless you.
Friends, if you're watching this at home, whether you're going to sleep, whether you're coming back from work, laying down, or you're in the midday, I want you to remember this and don't let anyone in the world convince you otherwise.
God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
God bless you.
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