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March 19, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Rick Joyner and Jeff Oliver
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Billion Dollar Battle 00:11:20
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today our special guests are founder of Morningstar Ministries, best-selling author and prophet Rick Joyner and associate pastor of Morningstar Fellowship Church and founder and president of Global Awakening Jeff Oliver.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo de la Vega and Pastor Ricky Baker.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Jim Baker.
And his old dad is here.
The wandering prophet.
He said, he said, I'm just a wandering prophet.
Oh, we found him down the street, you know, wandering around, prophesying to the windows and the walls.
That's right.
Making sure every light gets changed that is burned out.
So it's good to see you back.
How are you doing?
I've been all over the place.
Yes, you have.
You have been.
And Lori's been all over the place, and we've been, we're just busy, busy.
That's right.
But yet, we love coming on the show.
It's more fun now.
If I don't do it every day, it's fun.
He gives us a hard time.
Tell us, when we talked to you over the weekend, you said you had an important word from the Lord that you felt you needed to share with our family.
I'm so amazed that what's happening right now.
And I want to interview you two for a minute.
Let's do it.
Did you see the Ricky?
I didn't know you did.
Did you see the president?
I did watch the.
And he spoke to the Senate both.
That's right, Joint Committee.
Houses.
That's right.
What did you think of it?
I thought it was interesting.
It shows really the culture of where our nation is right now.
It shows that we really are split at a hefty 50-50 where it shows some people support the narrative of America first.
America needs to be a strong nation again.
And clearly, other people in our country, elected officials, don't support that America should come before our external ideas.
I turned 85, boy.
I was gone.
You did 85 years old.
Yeah.
So I'm liable to get a little more extreme.
That's right.
85 feeling alive.
Yeah, that's right.
But I think I got a short chair because I'm not really that much short.
I'm about four inches taller than you, but he says that everybody.
Where do all kids grow up?
I don't know.
I stay short like you.
But I'll tell you what.
Thank God for president.
And thank God that we've got a president who honors God, who believes God has brought him here.
Yes.
And thank God for what he's doing and pray for him because they want to kill him again.
Yeah.
You know, one of the most incredible things that I heard during that entire speech is he looked into the camera and he said, children, I'm talking to you that you are made in God's image just the way you should be made.
That's right.
You know, it's your parts cut off.
That's right.
It's exactly what he was saying.
He was saying he signed a bill that would allow federal funding to be cut from people trying to get transgender surgeries under the age of 19.
Listen, you're going to be shocked, but a few, this is going to air in a few days, but I interviewed a former transgender man that lived as a woman, and he tells the shocking story of the damage that is doing to our society.
This man found Jesus, got radically saved, and he's on a mission to preach the gospel to a community that he came out of.
But I want to tell you something.
The repercussions of this surgery is far greater than anybody else is telling us.
The highest suicides in the world come from the transgender community, and yet this is what they're pushing in our schools without telling the parents.
You know, Trump just absolutely banned the whole thing.
He doesn't even want it.
No federal funding for it.
And the schools were not going to get money who teach it.
Yeah, he's going to cut their funding as well.
Did this man have his penis cut off?
He was about to right before Jesus saved him.
Come on.
But he had his money saved.
He was getting ready to go to the doctor.
He had done his breasts, and the ultimate was going to be his private parts.
And he said that he has seen a lot of stories that they don't talk about on how damaging this surgery becomes.
It is one of the most dangerous.
This is what he said.
I'm quoting him.
This young man is named Diego.
I'm airing his interview on my program next week.
But he said it's one of the most dangerous surgeries that you can ever do because one infection and it can kill you.
My God.
It's serious.
I think the battle that we're seeing over what's happening.
What have they done to him so far?
He had his breasts done, hormones, and they told him that the fact that you took a lot of hormones and you did all of this in your body, you may not be able to provide kids in the future.
You know, and the damaging parts of what happens emotionally is as radical as the change physically.
That's right.
But thank God we have a president and an administration who's standing up for really common sense that says if you were born a female, you are a female.
That's right.
Well, that's what the Bible says, too.
That's what the word of God says as well.
And that's what we stand our firm faith on.
It's not what the president said.
It's what the president says.
God said who believes in the gospel.
Amen.
You all say amen.
We're near a new audience.
He's liable to throw his coffee.
I'm telling you.
But no, I'm glad that we have an administration, like I said, that is standing up for common sense.
And that's what we need.
Well, I got to get this off my chest.
I shouldn't be here tonight because I'm upset.
You saw the Democrats sitting down the entire time.
Making fuss.
Yeah.
It's heckling.
Holding signs up that said that they were lying.
Yes, a slew of different things.
Yes.
And how the man who's going to, you know, has ghosted outer space, the man who's considered to be one of the brave men in the world, can stand what the Democrats are doing.
But he stays in there.
Yes.
But they're beating him up all the time.
That's right.
They held signs up saying he's a liar.
And he's not even being paid for his work.
You're talking about Elon Musk?
Yes, of course.
Yes.
Just wanted to clarify for those at home, Target.
You know, biblically.
You have to turn it for me.
But biblically, we are living where the house is divided.
And we're watching that it will not stand.
But I want to tell you.
They never once raised, they never stood up.
No.
Defied.
They never applauded.
And what was strange to me is that they were awarding a young boy who had survived, I believe it was 12-plus brain surgery.
He's a cancer survivor.
And they awarded him as an honorary member of the Secret Service.
And even then, you know, there's a point where we can all lay our political differences aside and realize a child overcoming cancer is a win to the entire world.
But they still didn't even stand for that.
That's what broke.
They were standing and applaud.
No, that was heartbreaking.
There's a spirit of defiance that is taking place in rebellion.
And our nation needs a move of God like we saw in 1906 in order to see a change of what the Democrats are trying to do because it's really antichrist.
It really is.
And we as Christians got to stand up what's right.
Yeah, it's anti-war.
We can't let America go down because the Democrats want to.
Trump has already, how much money do you think he's saved in our country already?
Oh, billions, billions, billions of dollars.
I don't think we have an exact count right now.
Oh, it's billions of dollars.
Yeah, if not hundreds of billions of dollars.
And the Democrats don't like it.
No, we'd rather go and fund random things in different countries for people who are.
It's very strange.
It's a very strange thing.
We're giving several countries millions of dollars of condoms.
Yeah, that's true.
Well, Gaza, we funded $30 million worth of that in Gaza alone, which is very, I guess it's very strange.
They weren't using him for sex.
They're using him for bombs to blow them up like balloons and fly them over.
You know, when you follow the money, I think that's the key, right?
Follow the money and you're going to find the corruption.
You know what I think about?
I'm crazy.
I think if we just had one little piece of a billion dollars, we could pay all of our bills.
The church could be funded in the entire United States of America for a generation.
But they give it for crazy things.
I was going to bring the whole list, but I didn't do it.
So I won't bore you with all that.
Most of you already know it.
But they have literally funded billions and billions.
Do you know what billions of dollars are?
It's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money.
And none of us were aware that our tax money was being distributed in that sort of way.
All of a sudden, we find out that Americans that have been hurt by hurricanes and floodings, we get $700.
Yeah, other nations.
Yeah, other nations get millions of dollars of our tax money, and we never voted for that.
But I think what's happening is there's such an exposure of the corruption on the administration that was here before on what they were doing with the money.
No wonder they didn't want to cut ties with other nations that weren't participating in why America should be first, right?
The corruption and the defiance and the spirit behind all of that is being exposed right now, and it should make you mad.
It should make you uncomfortable and it should worry you because without a miracle of God, this nation would have gone very deep in darkness.
Matthew 24 Insights 00:05:07
Ricky, tell us who our guests are today.
You know, we have the incredible Rick Joyner with us, founder of Morningstar Ministries out of the Carolinas.
Rick is the best-selling author of numerous books, including The Final Quest.
I just reread it again for probably the fourth time a few weeks ago.
He's also known for 50 years of accurate prophetic dreams, visions, and revelations from God.
He's also on our Morningside USA Board of Directors, a wonderful friend of this ministry.
We have Rick Joyner as well as Jeff Oliver.
He's an associate pastor for Morningstar Fellowship Church, and he is the founder and president of Global Awakening, a ministry that is inspired and equipping new generations with a supernatural worldview.
And we're going to be talking about their book today, Keys to Experiencing Azusa Fire.
I would like to talk to Rick Joyner if he's there.
Are you there, Rick?
Pastor Rick, are you there?
I'm here.
They're there together.
I am.
Where are you?
We're in Fort Mill.
Fort Mill, South Carolina.
The house that you built.
Yes.
I haven't seen you in many, many months.
How are you doing now?
I'm doing great.
Looks like you are.
But yeah, I'm having the time of my life.
Amen.
It's just getting better and better.
We're living the dream.
I just pray we don't get penalized in heaven for having it so good down here.
I just turned 85.
I was just wondering how old you are.
I'm 75.
75?
You're way older than me.
Yes.
10 years older than you.
Yeah.
But you're doing great, and you are truly a voice to this generation.
And I'm thrilled to have you on this show today.
That's right.
And I came because you're going to be here.
So the boys will let me come once in a while.
As often as you want to get out.
Can I read something as we open into the preface of talking about keys to experiencing Azusa fire?
You know, it says here in Matthew 24.
I think you've read this one once or twice, haven't you?
Once or twice.
Friends, if you have your Bible, open up to Matthew chapter 24.
I'm going to start right here in verse 4.
It says, Jesus replied to them, Watch out that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name, saying, I am the Messiah, and they will deceive many.
You're going to hear of wars and rumors of war.
See that you are not alarmed because these things must take place, but the end is not yet.
Nation will rise against nation, kingdom against kingdom.
There'll be famine and earthquakes in various places.
All of these are the beginning of labor pains.
Now, friends, this is where I really want you to pay attention to the text.
Then they will hand you over to be persecuted and they will kill you.
You will be hated by all nations because of my name.
Then many will fall away, betraying one another and hate one another.
Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many because lawlessness will multiply and the love of many will grow cold.
But the one who endures to the end shall be saved.
This is where I really want you to focus in on, friends.
Matthew 24, verse 14.
This good news of the kingdom will be proclaimed in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Mondo, when I hear the keys to experiencing Azusa fire, I think this good news being proclaimed as a testimony to all nations before the end coming.
But we're going to see another Azusa Street fire revival here in the United States of America and globally.
As I traveled the world, I met pastors from India that as children, their grandparents and great-grandparents were part of the Azusa moment.
I've met people from Asia that were there in that moment, not realizing that my life will be connected to Azusa Street.
When I was a kid, you know, in the gangs, my territory was Bonnie Bray.
Six and Bonnie Bray was my territory of my gang.
And I will hide out because there were drive-by shootings and they were after me.
I will hide out in this house, not realizing that it was the Bonnie Bray house.
And the people that owned that house years and years ago were this Filipino family.
And this house was located in the middle of the Filipino community in LA, Los Angeles, California.
And I will hide out for days almost in this house, not realizing that that was the house that was the beginning and the birth of Azusa Street.
Later on, when I found the Lord, they let me in because they knew that I was being chased and hunted down.
When I got saved, I will go visit that home and they would allow me to spend days in that home praying, sitting at that piano.
I still didn't have the recollection of the meaning of what that home meant for the Really, the foundation of a move of God like we've never seen before.
Pentecost's Power 00:13:28
And here we are in 2025 talking about Azusa Fire and the connection that it has.
I think, Ricky, that America is ready for an Azusa fire moment.
That's right.
And, you know, these moments are birthed from prayer and fasting.
They think, you know, these revivals, these incredible moves of God are birthed from a place of longing for the Lord like never before.
But, you know, the day of Pentecost and this great move of Pentecost at Azusa Street is so important.
And the product offered to Disney image, Disney, I mean, Destiny image is a key to the experience of Azusa Fire.
That's right.
Yeah.
And that's what we need.
We need fire.
We need the power of God.
And let's, Rick, would you give me what are the lessons we learn from revival and the great, great Azusa Street?
Well, let me say a little bit more about Jeff, who's the true author of this.
And I just did a little, well, it was a little bit more than a little part, but a big chapter at the end.
I shouldn't say it was a little chapter.
But Jeff, in my opinion, is the greatest historian of the church that I've ever read.
And when I met him, I read his books.
I think we have copies of them over here on the Pentecost to the present, where he traced the move of the Holy Spirit from the original Pentecost in Jerusalem, first century, throughout history, documenting everything in extraordinary history.
When I read the first book, it's a three-volume set.
I couldn't put it down.
And the second volume was even better.
Usually, you know, after the first, the second one can be really good, but it doesn't quite match up to the first volume of something.
His went to a new level.
The third volume I thought was the best of all of them.
And anyway, we got to know Jeff, and he came on staff here.
And he's still writing, he's recording history, but with a prophetic message.
What happened there is going to happen again.
We see these things repeating themselves in history.
And Jeff really has an ability to illuminate the highlights and the importance of them and how these are the things that are the foundations of true revival.
And I tell you, when you read this, you're going to get some of the hunger that the people at Bonnie Bray House and later Azusa Street.
Those people wanted God more than they wanted oxygen.
They wanted him.
They gave up everything.
They were probably some of the poorest people in the nation at the time, but they were so rich in faith and belief in God.
And he met their faith.
He touched them and poured out something.
I believe the Azusa fire is still burning in the earth.
I think it's a true revival that ignited there and is still burning, still spreading.
And we need this again.
And I think this book that Jeff wrote about Azusa fire today, that it is, I think it's going to help ignite it again.
And I was just privileged to be a part of it.
Jeff, how do we experience revival like Azusa?
Azusa fire again.
I mean, it's so important.
We're in a very crazy era where people have so much doubt and fear.
But we need genuine Azusa fire again.
Well, I think that's what this book is all about.
I'll tell you how to experience Azusafire.
Get the book.
It's in there.
There's something on there.
You know how when they threw the dead man into the grave and he touched Elisha's bones and came back to life?
You know, sometimes when you just touch the bones of the anointing of previous generations, it ignites a fire in us, ignites life in us, brings us to life.
And I believe we need that Azusa fire in the church today.
In my opinion, and this is general, but overall, I think the church, not just in America, but especially in the West and in much of the world, is the weakest we've ever been.
We're the driest we've ever been.
But you know, that's a perfect condition for revival.
Dry wood ignites faster.
And I believe God has got us in a position like the Ezekiel 37, Dry Bones.
They became an exceedingly great army.
We're going to see that again.
And I believe there are some things, there are books like this, that are like speaking when Ezekiel was told to prophesy to the bones, speak life to the bones, speak to them.
And as he spoke to them, they became what they were called to be.
And I am so excited about this.
Glad you guys discovered this book.
Amen.
You know, Jeff, you asked God why he chose the Azusa Street gang to bring revival.
So I'm going to ask you that question.
Why does God use the most humble to bring revival?
Well, I think Jeff should answer that.
Yeah.
So the reason I, you know, when I first studied the Azusa revival, I looked at from a lateral point of view because I was going through history.
And so I was studying all the events that led up to and after the revival.
But this time, when working on this book, I worked on, I looked at it from a lateral or a panoramic view.
Monda was talking about being at Bonnie Bray House.
I was looking at God, what were you doing in Los Angeles in 1906?
And I was just shocked and amazed.
I mean, the pastor of the First Baptist Church, Joseph Smale, just got back from the Welsh Revival.
He was Spurgeon trained.
He was a British pastor.
He knew Evan Roberts, the leader of the Welsh Revival.
So he brought that revival back to Los Angeles.
You see his picture there.
And Joseph Smale began a revival there at the Baptist Church and then went independent.
They had the first independent church there, New Testament church of Los Angeles.
The Methodists were on fire.
There was a bunch of young men there at the Methodist church who were praying for revival, and God was showing up.
The Free Methodists were there.
They had just a new settlement there in Los Angeles at that time.
They were on fire for God.
There was Dr. Finnis Yoakum was there.
He was like another John Alexander Dowie.
He was a medical doctor who got healed from a buggy accident that he had been in and supernaturally healed.
And then he left his practice to heal the sick.
He was there in Los Angeles and he started a national movement called the Pisca Home Movement.
He was there in Los Angeles at the same time.
The Armenian immigrants from Armenia were there at the same time.
This was, some people may remember Demas Shakarian from the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship.
His grandparents went to Azusa Street.
They were there in Los Angeles.
They were meeting in homes and they were Pentecostals before they were Pentecostals.
They brought it over on the ships from Armenia.
They brought Pentecost with them.
So you had all these groups.
You had the holiness groups.
Frank Bartleman, who chronicled the Azusa Street revival.
You had all these tiny holiness missions that were springing up all over Los Angeles.
They were all tarrying for the Holy Spirit to come, and he was coming.
But with all that going on in Los Angeles at that time, I asked the Lord, why this group at Azusa Street?
Why this group?
Why did you, you could have picked any of these groups.
Why did you choose this group?
And he said to me, because they were the humblest.
Because they were the humblest.
And so that just made me realize God can use anybody.
He could, you know, we think we're the least likely to have a revival, but we might be the most likely.
We're humble.
Jesus said, if you will humble yourself as this little child, you will be the greatest in the kingdom of God.
He talked about it.
Peter talked about it.
James talked about it.
They said, God resists the proud, but he gives grace to the humble.
God wants us to be humble.
And the Lord said the same thing to Solomon.
He said that if my people who are called by my name will what?
Humble themselves and pray.
We always think prayer is the key to revival.
It is a key to revival, but it's number two key, the number one key is to humble ourselves.
Humble ourselves under the mighty hand of God, and he will lift us up.
Think about Gideon.
Gideon had to become, his army had to become smaller before God could use him to defeat the Midianites.
David had to be small to defeat Goliath.
John the Baptist had to decrease so Jesus could increase.
All these people throughout the Bible, Paul, he had to become smaller so God's strength could become perfect in him.
And it happened all through history.
God chooses.
We think, you know, we look today, you know, and we think, oh, we look for the biggest churches, the mega churches.
We look for the ministries with the most hits and the most clicks on their social media sites.
And we think that that's what God is doing.
But God, Jesus is looking for the humblest among us so that those are the ones, the least likely, the ones, the Marys and Josephs and Jesus in the stable all over again.
That's what Jesus is looking for for the next great worldwide revival.
He's looking for those that are humble, that are submitted to him.
The Bible says submit ourselves to God, resist the devil, and he will flee.
But we have to submit ourselves first.
And so that's what God is looking for.
And that's who God is going to, God could use anybody for his next great worldwide revival.
He used these folks at Azusa Street.
And it's like Rick said, it's continuing today.
It's still going on today.
And it's not going to stop until Jesus comes back.
But the next great revival is not just going to be a revival of the baptism in the Holy Spirit, but like you already said, it's going to be the baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire.
That's what the next great revival is going to be.
Wow.
Listen, you've got to get this book.
The storytelling about how Azusa fire took place is incredible.
Go to the website, jimbakershow.com and visit the NORI media page or NORI media page and get several copies of this book.
What a fascinating way to understand how revivals sparked, who God used the testimonies.
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Died Thinking He Failed 00:03:55
Get the book.
What took place in 1906 is about to explode in a global way.
And Jeff, thank you for writing this book.
Thank you for the history.
Thank you for the storytelling.
But I got to ask you, Jeff, who was William J. Seymour?
I think this is the character that really we need to understand.
You talked about humility.
What was about to happen with William J. Seymour that we need to understand and the role he played during that time?
Yeah, William J. Seymour was the son of former African slaves from Centerville, Louisiana.
He left there like many young men in those days, looking for better employment opportunities.
He got saved at a Methodist church in Indianapolis.
From there, he went to Cincinnati, Ohio, where he accepted his call to ministry, went to Bible school there, and then he went to Bible school in Houston, Texas.
And from there, he became pastor of the Apostolic Faith Gospel Mission in Los Angeles.
And from there, of course, was where he led the Azusa Street revival.
But my heart really goes out to William Seymour.
He has a special place in my heart because he died thinking he was a failure.
He really did.
Because William Seymour's vision was for God's people to come together, all of God's people, no matter what their beliefs, their denominational background, no matter what race they were.
He wanted God's people to come together in Los Angeles.
And they were for a while until things started breaking up.
You know, people got into pride again.
They started seeking going back to their races, back to their corner, so to speak.
And they weren't following God like they had been at the beginning.
And so over time, the revival waned.
And so, you know, people, like I said, they just kind of went back to their corners and quit coming together.
And so he tried over the years.
And then later on, he tried to bring the people back together.
And I think only one pastor of one church showed up, maybe two pastors showed up for this meeting.
And he just felt like he had failed.
But little did he know that at the end of the 20th century, when Life Magazine did an article on the 100 greatest events, not of the 20th century, but of the millennium.
I'm talking like from 1001 AD to 2000, they went back and looked what were the greatest events that had the greatest worldwide impact.
And guess what landed on that list?
The Azusa, that tiny little building on Azusa Street, William Seymour and the Azusa Street revival was right on that list together with Columbus's discovery of America, Martin Luther's Reformation, the man's first walk on the moon, Gutenberg's press, and this little tiny Azusa revival in this tiny building that was a stable, just like in Bethlehem.
Women's Involvement At Azusa Street 00:10:55
It was a stable before it was a revival center.
And God was looking at that.
And so it's just amazing what came about.
And like Rick says, I mean, it's still going on today.
The global movement of Pentecostalism and then the charismatic movement, it hasn't stopped.
And so I just, my heart really goes out to that guy because he felt like he was a failure.
But I'll tell you what, he may not have been celebrated while he was still on earth, but I'll tell you, he is being celebrated in heaven today and will be for all of eternity for what that man did by humbling himself and praying and seeking God's face and bringing revival, not just to Los Angeles, but to the whole world.
Wow.
You know, one of the, before you answer that, you ask a question, you know who and what ministry in India was influenced by Azusa Street?
Sadhu Sundar.
Oh, he's been here before.
He's been here.
You remember him?
His ministry exploded when they gravitated to understand the power of the connection of Azusa Street.
And today, Sadhu Sundar is literally influencing the gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the world in India.
And I want to tell you something.
If it can change India, can you imagine if we understand the power of Azusa Street and the spirit behind it?
The power of the Holy Spirit, Ricky, is so powerful to be able to transcend nations.
And I think America is ready.
Amen.
You know, Rick, you talk about the leadership qualities of William Seymour.
Would you give us an insight on how he trusted the Holy Spirit as we see written about in this book?
Well, you know, the God, you know, it says God resists the proud and gives his grace to the humble.
And he is probably one of the great examples of that in history.
When the Holy Spirit started moving, he didn't try to control it.
He would actually put a box over his head to try to tune out everything that was going on just to hear the voice of the Lord and see if the Lord needed him to do anything.
And he did.
I mean, they saw some of the greatest miracles, some of the greatest things, and ignited something that I believe is still a fire that's still burning brightly around the world.
But he was so intent, he really understood, I don't have the answers for what's going on.
I've got to hear from God, and I just want to know what he wants me to do, and I want to obey him.
And that's rare.
So often, like in the Welsh Revival, you know, so many of the great men of God of the time flocked there thinking, I'm going to help these kids lead this revival.
They need my wisdom, my experience.
When they got there, they went to their knees in humility and said, I think it was the pastor of Westminster Chapel at the time, Martin Lloyd-Jones, one of the great theologians of that era.
When he got there, he said he would have gladly traded all of his knowledge and all of his pulpit abilities for just a little part of what was on these children that were being used to lead that revival.
The oldest was 27, Evan Roberts, and most of his workers were 19 or under.
And these great men of God of the time, William Booth, one of them, he came to mobilize them into an army.
And he said, I'm not touching this.
I mean, it humbled, you know, some of those who could have been the proudest men of the time.
But they got humbled too before those who were being used in this extraordinary way.
So I think it was that the greatest leaders under God are the greatest followers of God, you know, who've learned to lay aside their own opinions, their own preferences or prejudices or whatever else.
And their focus is on obeying God, hearing him clearly and doing his will.
If I could interject one little story, though, about William Seymour, he is one of the extraordinary people, not just of the times that he lived, but of all time.
But when I was asked once to come speak at Wake Forest University to their seminary school, this is a Baptist university, Southern Baptists.
I think Wake Forest and Baylor are the two biggest Baptist universities.
And these were all Baptists, but they wanted to hear about the Holy Spirit.
And they knew I had done some ministry with John Wember and some other people.
They just wanted to hear the stories of God moving.
They were so hungry for that.
And after I shared everything I could, took questions and all, the dean of the school asked me to go with him to a hall of faith he had built there.
And he said, I want to show you the most impressive person on this wall.
And I mean, he had William Carey, he had many of the great Baptist leaders and everything.
But the greatest of all, and the one they honored the most in this hall of faith, was William Seymour, a Pentecostal.
And he said he thought William Seymour was perhaps the greatest man of God of all of these.
I want to ask Jeff about how, because the women were not always involved.
How was women participating in creativity to the Azusa Street revival?
I think it was a great moment in history for women's involvement.
Couldn't you share with that?
Absolutely.
Yeah, Seymour was surrounded by women.
Of course, his mother, Phyllis Seymour, she was in Louisiana, and when they ceded the family farm, the four-acre family farm to the railroad, she moved to Los Angeles and actually lived.
A lot of people don't know this, but she lived upstairs at Azusa Street where the revival took place for quite a while.
But then there was Lucy Farrow.
She was the niece of the famous abolitionist Frederick Douglass.
She was in Houston, Texas, and she had a little holiness mission there where Seymour attended her church.
And she had to go away for a while, so she asked Seymour to cover for her while she was gone.
And he did.
And so she was also the one who introduced Seymour to the baptism in the Holy Spirit, taught him about that and the power of God that he could have in his own life.
And so she introduced him to all that and even encouraged him to go to Bible school there in Houston.
And then there was a Miss Neely Terry of Los Angeles who attended Pharaoh's church, heard Seymour preach, and then she went back to Los Angeles, told everybody back home about this William Seymour guy, and they just happened to need a pastor at the church in Los Angeles.
So they called for William Seymour.
William prayed about it and felt like it was God.
And so that's how he ended up in Los Angeles was because of her.
And then when he got to Los Angeles, there was another lady who was a teenager at the time named Sister Carney.
Sister Carney lived in Pasadena.
She was there at somebody's house praying for revival one night when supernaturally William Seymour was led by the Holy Spirit to go to Pasadena to this particular house and he knocked on the door late at night.
Now back in those days for a black man to knock on the door late at night in Pasadena, normally they'd call the police.
But God was in control this night and he knocked on the door and he says, ma'am, are you praying for revival?
And she said, why, yes, we are.
And he says, well, I'm the man that God sent to lead this revival.
And they were just in shock.
And they said, well, come on in.
They invited him in.
They took up an offering.
He preached.
And then they had just enough money to rent the building on Azusa Street from that offering.
And then Sister Carney came and helped them clean up after the animals.
You know, Azusa Street, the first floor that you see there, was a stable before it was a revival center.
So they had to clean.
She helped Seymour clean up after the animals and get it ready for revival.
And so there was a lot of women.
Besides that, the women were involved in the door-to-door ministry that they did in Los Angeles.
They were involved in the outdoor camp meetings and setting those up.
The women were involved in, of course, the worldwide missions that went all over the United States and all over the world.
So every part of Azusa Street, the women were very closely involved and surrounded Seymour.
And without them, he couldn't have done it.
And many of those that were on his staff were volunteer staff members.
Most of them were women.
If you see the pictures of the staff at Azusa Street, it's mostly women.
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So yes, definitely.
Rick, in 1992, you had a prophetic experience about the church.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Could you talk about that?
Are you talking about the final quest?
Yes.
Yeah, it started with a series of dreams I had back then.
It took me a while to understand these dreams fit together.
Then I started having these prophetic experiences.
And yeah, we're living them right now everywhere.
People contact me from all over saying, we're in chapter one of that vision you had, the final quest.
And I think we are.
I think we are.
If you want to know what's going on in the world in the spiritual realm, I think you can see it in that first chapter.
And what we're going to see coming is what I wrote about after that.
It's going to drive us to the mountain, which it did in that vision.
And then we had to climb the mountain to fight the hordes of hell that were attacking us.
And as we went higher on the mountain, which represents the kingdom of God, and there were different levels that represented different truths, as we got higher, we got more effective.
And pretty soon we were decimating the hordes of hell and wearing out the army of the devil.
And we kept growing until many things happened.
I don't want to tell you, you need to read.
But yeah, that is, I think, proven to be a very accurate description of what is happening in the body of Christ today.
Starts out, we're weak, don't have our armor on.
If we have some of the armor on, we don't have it on right.
We, you know, many Christians were in the army of the evil one.
And they were being ridden by demons and influenced by demons that they thought were the Holy Spirit.
And that's where we are today.
I mean, most of the devil's army, I mean, his name, the accuser of the brethren, is how he's building his army, getting brethren to accuse each other and then gaining influence in their lives and writing and controlling Christians.
And I really believe one thing I've been saying for many years now is that the religious spirit, which is also the Antichrist spirit, anti-anointing spirit, it has more influence with Christians today than the Holy Spirit does.
And that's why we need a rebirth of Azusa Street, returning to the Holy Spirit, the baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire and being able to discern what is coming from God and what's coming from the devil.
The devil's name, the accuser of the brother.
And where you see that going on, it's the devil.
It is not the Holy Spirit.
He doesn't operate that way.
And that's where that vision starts and where it goes.
I think we're seeing the unfortunate of it right now.
You know, I think that I think that does tie right into another prophetic dream that he had about the church catching a wave that was really, you know, the waves of the Holy Spirit.
Rick, if you could just jump right into that as well, that's in this book, towards the back of the book, that portion that you wrote about the Holy Spirit being like a wave you have to catch.
Can you share a piece of that vision as well?
Yeah.
Well, you know, if you've ever done any surfing, there's a real strategy to catching a wave, to being able to ride a wave.
And the moves of the Holy Spirit in history are often called waves of the Holy Spirit because he has moved in waves like this.
Now, if you're going to catch a wave, and if we're going to catch and ride what the Holy Spirit is doing, first you've got to discern where the waves are breaking.
Because to catch a wave, you've got to be right there where it first starts to break as it's going towards the shore.
And then you can't just be where they're breaking.
You've got to be moving in the right direction with the wave to catch it.
And I think those are two of the most important things that we are discerning where the waves of the Holy Spirit are moving right now.
We position ourselves there, but we don't just stand there and expect the Holy Spirit to do everything.
He's called the helper, not the doer.
We have to do our part.
We have to be moving in the right direction to catch the wave.
And that's a part of it, I believe, the spiritual, you know, principle of inertia, law of inertia, is true in the spiritual as well as the natural, that you cannot steer anything that's not moving.
And so we need to discern where's God moving and start moving with Him.
I remember Jamie Buckingham told several of us one day: he said, Our job as Christians, Christian writers, is to discern which way the Holy Spirit is moving and then get there first and set up a book table.
That was his idea.
But you know, there's truth to that.
We should be writing prophetic things for the future and have it there waiting for the moves of God to come.
And where these are words that will help feed that move of God, help feed the people as they're moving with the Holy Spirit.
But is that what you were talking about there, Ricky?
Yes.
And I want to ask before we leave: can we experience, are we going to experience an Azusa-like revival in these end times that's going to sweep the world for Christ?
I want your opinion of it.
Go ahead, Jeff.
Well, as Rick says, there is coming another revival.
Jesus called it the harvest, the end time harvest.
And it's, I totally agree with Rick that it's going to be not just the baptism in the Holy Spirit.
They definitely got that at Azusa Street.
But what was missing, it seems, was the fire, which is a big part of it.
The Bible says that, you know, John said that, that I baptize you with water, but the one who is coming after me, he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire.
And that is what we see in the end times.
It's going to be a great revival.
Smith Wigglesworth had a prophecy just before he died in 1947, and he saw three moves of God coming on the earth.
The first one, he said, was going to be characterized by people coming out of people in denominations, I should say, in the denominational churches, getting baptized with the Holy Spirit.
And of course, that was the charismatic movement.
The second one, he said, was going to be characterized by people coming out of the denominations and planting, starting new churches.
And of course, that was the church planning movement that we saw recently.
But then he said there's going to come a third move of God.
And he said this movement is going to be characterized by a coming together of the word and the spirit, those that are of the word and those that are of the spirit.
I believe that those that are of the word are the evangelicals.
Those that are of the spirit, of course, are the Pentecostals and Charismatics.
I believe this next revival, and we're already seeing this happening, where the evangelicals and Pentecostals and Charismatics are coming together.
Smith Wigglesworth said, when that happens, when the Word and the Spirit come together, we are going to see the greatest revival that the world has ever seen that will usher in the return of Jesus Christ.
That's what we have to look forward to.
That is the harvest.
That is the one that Jesus talked about that was going to come at the end of this day.
And I believe we're right there now.
We are about to see it.
I almost think of the evangelicals and the Pentecostals like two ships passing in the night, you know.
And one's going one direction, one's getting more on fire, one's kind of mellowing out a little bit.
But I think God's going to bring them together as we're passing in the middle of the night, so to speak.
And that's what we're looking forward to is coming together.
And actually, that's what my next book is going to be about: the coming together of these two powerful groups of people for that last.
And Jesus said that.
He prayed that He said, Father, I pray that they will become one as you are in me and I in you, that they will also become one.
Why?
So that the world will believe that you sent me.
The world is not going to believe that God sent Jesus until we become one.
And that's to come.
That is the great revival to come.
Amen.
I know so many believe that we've entered a time of peace and joy and harmony.
And I believe Trump is God's choice.
I do believe that with all my heart.
But I'm concerned, perilous times.
I know the Bible.
I'm sorry.
You know, I'm a fanatic.
I go to the Bible.
But in times, our very turbulence.
Turbulence?
What's that word?
Tumultuous.
Tumultuous.
And I may be wrong, but I feel we're going to have trouble in these last days.
And we need to stay close to God and have our faith in God.
And we're going to have a revival in the midst of hell.
Awful things.
Just as we saw the presidential speech last night, and men were just evil.
Evil.
Even when good things were being said, they were evil.
I'm telling you, people, all have not turned to God.
And we're going to have some rough days, but we're going to have a time where God's entering into the hearts of those who love him.
And I believe revival is coming.
I believe there's going to be a great revival.
But I'm afraid there's going to be some bumps in the road that you've got to hold on to God.
What do you think, Rick?
Well, I think you're exactly right.
You know, in the world you have tribulation, but Jesus said, don't fear that.
I've overcome the world.
There are also indications, you know, he talks about the end of the age being the great and the terrible day of the Lord.
It's going to be both.
I mean, a lot of people say, well, which is it?
It's going to be both.
And it's going to depend on where you are in the Lord as whether it's going to be a great time for you or a very terrible time.
But everybody's going to have to go through the valley of decision.
They're going to have to choose, either follow the Lord or follow the evil that is manifest in the world.
I am so appreciative, too, of the way Trump has evil in retreat in our country.
But don't think for a minute it's being eradicated.
Only the church can do that.
And the church is not engaged yet.
Thank God for what's going on in the natural and all that is being done there.
And I think that's having good spiritual fruit too.
But listen, we need a revival.
We need another great awakening.
We need a revival like Azusa Street and, you know, the Welsh Revival and every other revival that has come, the great ones in history.
I believe what we're going to see at the end is a combination of all of them.
But, yes, we really have to get that.
It is going to be the great and the terrible at the same time.
Amen.
This is a great time.
You heard from the prophet.
Both men are prophets.
You heard the word.
And I want you to get this book because you need this kind of book to study in the last days.
You need Azusa Fire.
This was a supernatural move of God.
And there's still people alive who went through the Azusa fire.
And it's time for us to realize that God is the God of a revival.
And we need the revival now.
Jesus is coming soon.
Don't be discouraged because there's bad things going to happen.
I mean, stupidity isn't solved without God.
But stay with God.
If you don't know Jesus, ask him into your heart today.
Jesus loves you.
He really does.
Thank you, men.
You are tremendous.
We're delighted to have you here.
Good day.
You got to say it.
You got to say it.
It's your line.
God loves you.
You know he does.
He really does.
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