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Feb. 7, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Derek and Sharon Gilbert
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King James' Legacy 00:15:06
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guests are researchers, authors, teachers, and TV and podcast hosts, Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo Delevega.
And now, live from Gray Street at Morningside USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, friends.
You're watching the PTL Television Network.
It is an honor you chose to tune in with us today.
Today we have Derek and Sharon Gilbert.
They are researchers, teachers, authors, and TV and podcast hosts.
They both work closely with Joe Horn and are part of the Skywatch TV and Defender publishing team, which Mondo, as you guys know, and we want to make sure you are aware of Tom Horn, really is the founder of Skywatch TV, the Defender Publishing.
What amazing works that he did.
He really paved the way for many other people to be able to walk and run in that avenue.
So we want to say thank you to the Skywatch team.
They work very closely with them, and they also co-host together Unraveling Revelation, which can be seen on the PTL Voice of the Prophets Network, Saturday at 12.30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time and Sundays at 10.30 p.m. Eastern Standard Times.
All of their programs are available on their new apps.
This is theirs and their Roku channel called GHTV.
We want to promote that for them.
These are good people.
We believe in their ministry.
It's GHTV.
It stands for Gilbert House TV.
Derek and Sharon Gilbert have a new book, which we're going to be discussing part of today called The Gates of Hell.
And we're going to be getting into that.
Hey, you can't make it.
Hey, right there, it's on the screen.
You can't make it more plain than that.
Nobody writes about hell anymore.
That's right.
Hey, we use it.
That's right.
That, or they don't write about justification, purification, sanctification.
So we're going to get back into those topics today.
Friends, if you have your Bible, open up the Word of God.
We're going to be reading out of Romans chapter 5.
And I'm going to start with verse 1, friends.
So I'm going to be reading out of the Christian Standard Bible.
If you have a different translation, just try to follow along as closely as you can.
If you're in the new or if you're in the King James Version, it's not going to sound anything like that.
But I promise you, we still love the King James Version.
I read it for many years and I thought, man, I just don't talk like this on a day-to-day basis.
I had a hard time understanding it.
So I switched to the CSB.
It says, therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man and death through sin, in this way, death spread to all people because all have sinned.
Friends, every single person who walks this earth other than the person of Jesus Christ has sin in their life.
They will mess up.
They will fall down.
But friends, the righteous fall down and they get back up again.
So friends, all have sinned.
In fact, sin was in the world before the law.
But sin is not charged to a person's account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who did not sin in the likeness of Adam's transgression.
He is a type of the coming one.
But the gift is not like the trespass.
For if by one man trespass the many died, how much more have the grace of God and the gift which comes through the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflowed to the many?
And the gift is not like the one man's sin because from one man's sin came the judgment resulting in condemnation.
But from many trespasses came the gift resulting in justification.
Mondo, I said, Love right here.
If we go down to verse 20, it says the law came to multiply the trespasses, but where sin multiplied, grace multiplied much more.
So that just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness, resulting in eternal life through our Lord Jesus Christ.
So what should we say then?
Should we continue to sin so that grace can multiply?
Absolutely not.
How can we who died to sin still live in it?
And friends, that is what I want to talk about with you today before we get to our program.
We get to the news happening.
Friends, you have been given a new life.
You've been given your second chance.
Whenever you said, Jesus Christ, I want my will to be subservant to yours.
Jesus Christ, I want you to be the ruler and the reigner of my life.
You became a new creation.
Now, friends, that's not just metaphor and not just hyperbole.
You truly did become a new creation.
Friends, you were wretched.
You were a sinner.
You were in need of a savior, and that savior came down.
That savior hung on a cross.
And that savior said, They are worth every single drop of blood that I'm about to spill.
And friends, through that blood, we have been justified.
It is the reason that we can be grafted into the family of God.
It's the reason that we have a shot at eternal life.
And friends, when you say, Jesus, my will is subservient to yours.
I want you to forgive me of all of my sins.
I want to repent and believe the gospel in its fullness.
I promise you, friends, the Lord's not going to leave you hanging where you're at.
He'll meet you where you're at.
He is the only one who can forgive your sins and he'll do just that.
And friends, you'll be justified, not through your works, not through your actions, not through anything that you can do over the term of your life.
You'll be justified through his blood and his sacrifice and his good work that is the cross.
Mondo, we've spoken about this many times.
People have drifted away from the message of the blood.
And friends, I don't know, I'm only 27 years old.
I grew up with my father.
He's 85 years old.
So it's a big age gap.
He could be my grandfather.
And, you know, in some words, if they were quick with it, he could have been my great-grandfather.
So, Mondo, you know this in the home?
Yeah.
There were hymns.
And friends, the thing that I love about hymns and the fact that I still listen to hymns, the reason I do is because when we are talking about the blood of Jesus, we're talking about the most precious and valuable substance that will ever exist.
And friends, that blood was spilt for you and I.
And Mondo, that's why I believe ministers need to get back to the cross, to the blood, to holiness, to purification, through justification, not through your own actions, friends.
You'll never be good enough on your own.
We're only good enough because of the sacrifice of the cross.
You know, first and foremost, I love the fact that you read the entire portion of the scripture.
Amen.
Most people take one scripture and take it out of context, but I love the fact that you read not only the foundation, but you read all the way through.
I appreciate that about you because it tells me where you are scripturally.
Second, I love the fact that where sin abounds, much more grace abounds.
That's the only reason we can be who we are in Christ is because that grace abounds.
Because, friends, we'll sin significantly in our lives.
You'll fall down.
You'll stumble.
You might lay down for a while.
But friends, get back up.
Grace is the helping hand of Christ that allows us to get back up.
It is the gift of salvation.
You know, a lot of Christians, we put unrealistic expectations on others, on ourselves, and that develops what people call legalism.
And I want you to know something.
When you can't even meet your own standards, you get in trouble.
When you don't allow other people room to make mistakes, then you are closing the doors of restoration.
There's power in restoration.
The Bible says that we all have fallen short.
But I want to tell you this.
It is different when you're a leader or when you hold a position of leadership because we are called to be hold or be held to a different accountability.
You judge more harshly as well.
Absolutely.
But I want you to know something.
Don't be so legalistic that you push the grace of God outside and then there's no room for you to be restored.
I never understood how people can be so mean.
And Christians are the meanest people I have ever encountered in my life.
I've encountered a lot of them too.
Absolutely.
Lukewarm Christians.
And I believe those Christians are not born again because people that are born again, they love unconditionally.
They're people that walk in grace.
They're people that they understand that if it wasn't for the grace of God, how can I be forgiven?
That's right.
You know, Jesus fulfilled the law.
A perfect man walked perfectly.
He had no sin in him.
He fulfilled the law entirely and in complete perfection.
And then he gave us two more rules, friends.
Do you guys know what those are?
Love the Lord your God with all your mind, body, soul, strength, everything you have, love him.
And love your neighbor as yourself.
Wow.
That's the hard part.
That's right.
But I want to say that.
But that's the true test of the fruit of the tree.
But this friend, you can call yourself a Christian.
But this develops something that you have said over and over.
It doesn't mean that you get away without the consequences.
Grace is not a license for you to freely sin and get away without having consequences.
The Bible says whom he loves, he chastises.
Can I use, do you allow me to use the King James version?
Yeah, come on.
Because if you live without chastisement, you're a bastard and not a son.
That's the King James.
That's not mine.
Don't cut him off.
I'm just kidding.
But I want to tell you something.
Whom he loves, he corrects.
That's right.
Whom he loves, that's the grace that we have.
And we have a bunch of this young generation of leaders that are running wild, getting in trouble, have no mentorship, and they're closing the door on themselves, and they don't leave room for restoration and hope.
And we have a broken, bruised, beat up, rejected world that the church has mishandled.
But the love of Jesus welcomes you back into the house of the Lord.
Don't ever give up on the church.
The Bible says, I will build my church.
We are pastors.
Man, I've been a pastor for a long time.
I've pastored churches throughout my lifetime.
And I want you to know something.
It is not easy dealing with people.
Try dealing with people one day and tell me if you want to continue to pastor on your own.
It's not easy because accusations come, mishandlings come.
I mean, everything you can think of.
Therefore, we need the grace of God to get us through the day when it comes to dealing with people, Ricky.
Especially in the hour that we're in right now, it seems like everybody's a fruit inspector on social media.
That's right.
You know, one thing that I remind brothers when I talk to them on the phone, we walk through discipleship together when we walk through mentorship together is believers, our brother Paul said it best.
We are to be good to everyone.
And I stand by that.
If you don't agree with their theology, be good to them.
If you don't agree with where they're currently at in life, still be good to them because I believe the word of God.
The goodness of God is the thing that leads people to repentance.
But friends, we're especially supposed to be even better to those of the household of faith.
Friends, you should be treating your Christian brother and sister even better.
Friends, that doesn't mean going and gossiping about them when they fall down.
That doesn't mean slandering their name if you feel like they've made a mistake.
Friends, we are to restore, we are to honor, and we are to give all the glory to God.
It's important to do that.
Friends, right here in Romans chapter 8, it says this.
For I consider, this is verse 18, that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is going to be revealed to us.
Friends, you're going to have trials and tribulations.
You're going to have hard times.
You're going to have financial difficulties, marriage difficulties.
You're going to have things that ruffle your feathers.
People talk about you.
People try to slander you.
But friends, the persecution, the conflict, the confrontation that you face here on this earth is nothing.
It is not a drop of water in the ocean and compared to the goodness that is going to be revealed from us whenever we look, the God who we love face to face and he says, well done, my good and my faithful servant.
Friends, that's what the PTL Television Network is dedicated to.
We're dedicated to ensuring that you hear the full gospel.
Yes, friends, we're all sinners.
We need grace, but we can walk in holiness.
We can walk in purity.
We can walk in justification and righteousness with the Holy Spirit through the blood of Jesus.
And friends, I want to encourage you.
If you don't know Jesus Christ, there's never been a better day than today.
There's never been a better moment than right now to give your heart to the Lord, not just in words, friends, not just saying, well, Jesus, be the ruler of my heart.
Sit on the throne of my heart.
And then continuing to live however you want to live.
No, friends, there's a real transformation that comes whenever you submit your will entirely to God.
And you say, God, whatever it is around me that you want me to give up, whatever it is around me that you want me to gain, I will do it through you and only with your permission.
Friends, I promise you, it is the most beautiful decision you'll ever make.
Call our number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We want to pray with you.
We want to talk that salvation prayer through with you.
And we want to celebrate with you.
If you've prayed that prayer, get in a good Bible-believing church.
Get in the church that feeds you the milk.
Yes, friends, you need the encouragement, but get in the church that feeds you the meat as well so that you can be sustained for the day-to-day battle in which we will be fighting.
Because our war isn't against flesh and blood.
It's not against our brother to our left or to our right.
It's not against even a family member who's hurt you.
It's against principalities, powers, cosmic rulers of the darkness.
It's a spiritual battle which we're fighting.
And friends, if you're fighting a physical battle, you're going out and working a physical job, you need physical food.
But friends, we have believers out there who are spiritually anemic, not eating, and yet they expect to win their spiritual battles.
Get in the word of God.
Get in a good Bible-believing church.
I promise you, friends, it will change the course of your life for the good.
That doesn't mean it's always going to be rainbows and sunshine.
But friends, I promise you, you'll always have a hope to look up at.
You'll be running that race, and you'll always know my finish line is sweet.
It's worth every single step I'm going to take towards it.
And friends, we want you to know Jesus Christ.
We want you to know that your eternal position is vastly more important than your temporary satisfaction with whatever the world can offer you.
Altar Call for Jesus 00:02:26
The world will try to give you what they think are good things, but nothing is good unless it comes from the Lord, friend.
We want to remind you that today.
Monda, we have the honor, an immense honor, an incredible honor to have Derek and Sharon Gilbert with us today.
Not only are they Bible scholars, TV podcast hosts, authors, I can go on and on about all the things that they do and have done, and I know will continue to do as well.
But one thing I love about Derek and Sharon Gilbert is they are on fire and passionate for Jesus.
Friends, they love the Lord.
They're not just writing books for the sake of writing books.
They're writing them to point you back to Christ and what he did on the cross.
They're not just writing novels, which Sharon has done.
I want to talk into that just to write novice novels.
They're doing it so that the message can be heard that Jesus is good and he only does good.
Derek and Sharon, I want to thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
You guys are a blessing.
Thank you.
Thank you.
It's an honor to be here.
We always enjoy being on your program.
And Ricky, I got to say, you're on fire today.
And this is one of the reasons we are proud to partner with the Baker family because this is what you put first and foremost: the gospel of Jesus Christ.
That's what this is all about.
It's not just salvation, but who did Jesus come to save us from, which was the point of what we research and write.
So, again, thank you for putting that message up there first and foremost, because that's really where our priorities are.
It's letting people know that we are living in a fallen world, that there are evil, fallen entities out there, those principalities and powers, who want to destroy what God created and called good, which includes us and everything that we love.
That's right.
Hallelujah.
And I have to say this.
I have to say this, Ricky.
Thank you very much for that amazing and Bible-correct message.
Hey, look, I felt like I was back in church when I was growing up at a Bible-believing church where I preached the gospel, but time for the altar call.
And I kept thinking, we need to hear just as I am.
My favorite altar call song because Jesus took me just as I was.
Looking for Prophecy in Weather Changes 00:11:35
That's right.
That's right.
Hallelujah.
And he cleans us up.
I would try to sing it for you, friends, because I know the hymn, but if I did, they'd turn the TV off.
I promise you, we wouldn't have an audience today.
So I'll save you, I'll spare you that.
But, Mondo, one of the things we do here on the PTL Television Network, and we know we get this, because the days we don't do this, we get the letters, the emails, the writings.
It's friends, we want to talk about news from a biblical perspective and see: do these news stories, whatever it may be that we're speaking of, come into biblical prophecy or are they just news stories?
So, Mondo, I know there's some things happening around the world right now.
Let's talk about them, and then I'd like to get Derek and Sharon's opinion on what's happening.
We are seeing historic winter storms hitting the United States.
This is a once-in-a-generation winter storm.
This is something that the Gulf Coast has not seen in a very long time.
Almost 130-year-old snowfall record, according to the National Weather Service.
You know, the blast, the Arctic blast, is coming through from Texas all the way to Florida and is literally closing down a major port in Houston, Texas, that is paralyzing even the infrastructure of our power grid.
This is something that millions of people are out of power.
People are dying right now because they were not ready for such an Arctic move that happened in the United States.
The freezing temperatures right now has closed down Highway 10 in a historic moment in the United States.
I always look at history, I always look at historic moments because they don't happen every single day.
This is something that when you look at even the military, when President Trump took office, immediately he deployed over 10,000 troops to the southern border.
This is something that is in the forefront of America right now because every city in America will be shaken by this.
Every politician will be shaken by this.
And if they don't cooperate, I'm afraid that we're going to see a lot of politicians in jail.
And it's going to change the way you vote for a mayor.
The way, if a lot of mayors in America right now do not cooperate with this current administration, President Trump is sending a clear message to the world.
He's back.
He wants law and order to take place.
He's wanting to put America first.
And in between all that, we're having an Arctic ice meltdown, which is unleashing.
This is key.
And I want to get the perspective from Derek and Sharon after we talk about this, but right now, scientists are afraid that the threat is real, warning us that there's over 100 hidden volcanoes that can be triggered at any moment.
And it's something they're watching.
It's something that they're looking into it.
And it will create a catastrophic moment in the planet.
Just a few weeks ago, they found an underwater volcano near the U.S. West Coast, primed, listen to this, to erupt in 2025.
That's the times we're living in right now.
Experts are issuing an urgent warning about an underwater volcano off the U.S. West Coast that can erupt as nearly as 2025.
This is raising concerns about the impact on the coastal communities.
I mean, that's incredible.
I mean, Derek, I want to get your opinion on this because this is really, really important.
From the wildfires to record-breaking storms to earthquakes, volcano threats, a steady stream of devastating disasters have appeared to become the new normal right now.
Can you give us insight on what are these things we're seeing?
Are these extreme weather situations biblical, or are they just patterns that we should be used to since we live here on planet Earth?
Well, I think we probably are paying more attention to them because we've got access to the internet now.
So news is available to us 24-7, whereas that was not the case until the last 20 years or so.
So the Earth has been subject to wild weather since time immemorial.
We look back at ice cores and tree rings and so forth, and we can see that there have been periods of really extreme weather going back centuries, millennia even.
It just seems worse to us because it's happening to us right now.
I will say that as I saw a picture with somebody with a ruler from the town of Milton, Florida, which is the hometown of our good friend and yours, Pastor Carl Gallops, showing nine or ten inches of snow there.
I'm guessing there are some people out there, including leftists who wanted to protest in Washington, D.C. after the inauguration.
There were only a few hundred who braved the weather to show up that were probably wishing that global warming was a real thing right now because it kind of put the damper on the protests.
Are these things biblical?
Honestly, I don't think we'll know for certain until we're looking at this in the rearview mirror.
The one thing I will say, I agree with everything you've just said, Derek, but also our good friend Stan Deo told us many, many years ago, almost 20 years ago, that the subduction zone off the West Coast is primed to go off any minute.
This was 20 years ago.
And I believe with all my heart, you understand Bible prophecy says that when that time for Christ's return is very close, within seven years or so, that we are going to start seeing activities worldwide that will be listed as the greatest earthquake ever, the greatest shakeup ever.
And I think that those who want to use the green agenda to control humanity are looking at these events and applauding.
They're saying, now we can get them to believe it.
It's climate change that is behind all of this.
And I think the one grace period we have as believers here in the United States is that I'm not sure President Trump buys into that.
He may give us another four years of a grace period.
I pray he does.
So I want to ask you about that since the inauguration was so recently.
What were your thoughts on the inauguration of President Trump?
Did anything stand out to you during that day-long celebration?
I could tell you a lot of people that were hearing from things stood out to them, but one of them not putting his hand on the Bible, but there is a backstory to that.
Things were running late.
People hadn't arrived yet.
The Bible wasn't there yet that he wanted to put his hand on, which was Lincoln's Bible and his grandmother's Bible.
That was why that went that way.
But there were another couple of other things.
Yeah, the inaugural parade, which was held inside the Capitol One Arena there, started with the first responders from Butler County, Pennsylvania, which is, of course, where President Trump was shot in July.
And as the first responders led the parade into the arena, they carried the coverall worn by EMT and fireman Corey Comperator, who was the one man who lost his life in that shooting.
And I thought that was really powerful and very moving.
It was so powerful.
But getting back to symbolism.
That's what we're hearing from people about, the symbolism, the fact that it had to be moved indoors, and it took place in the rotunda underneath the Bermudi painting, which we talk about in our new book.
But was it a symbol of Trump representing the New World Order?
No, I don't think so.
Because Reagan was in there.
Was Reagan the Antichrist?
No.
But strangely enough, you talked about when you are part of the body of Christ, you love one another.
And I've seen a lot of panic amongst prophecy scholars and those who claim to be prophecy scholars saying that these events point to Trump being the Antichrist.
Now, think about that.
Yeah, it's not because we are supporters of his agenda.
We're just looking at President Trump and looking at the characteristics of the Antichrist in Scripture.
No.
President Trump is too divisive a figure.
There are too many people who will just reject everything he says, you know, Trump derangement syndrome or whatever you want to call it.
The Antichrist will be a unifier.
He'll be one that brings people together of all walks of life.
He will be hailed as Time's man of the year, and he'll get the Nobel Peace Prize.
And yes, I know that there's a lot of people who did that.
But yeah, that wasn't him either.
But the point is, President Trump is too divisive.
And I think he's at an age now where he's not likely to be around long enough to marshal the world to go to war against Israel, which is what the Antichrist does.
So yes, when it comes to the symbolism of being inaugurated inside the Capitol, underneath the rotunda, and we can talk about the symbolism of that and the apotheosis of Washington inside the Capitol Dome.
But no, there were some very interesting things that took place at the inauguration, at the parade, and afterwards.
But I think we need to be careful about reading too much prophetic fulfillment into the headlines.
I do.
I agree 100% what you're saying, because a lot of people that, and again, it goes back to this, if you don't study the word, you won't even know what the Antichrist will look like, what he's going to do, where he's going to come from.
I mean, there's a plethora of information in the Bible that reveals the men of sin.
And I want you to know something.
A lot of people, Ricky, are looking into Bible prophecy almost too much in a way that is not backed up biblically.
It's all about hearsay or I feel this way, I say that.
Look at it through the word.
Yeah, your opinion can never trump the word of God.
No, you're not going to be able to do that.
You've got to go back to certain portions of scripture where it describes the Antichrist and then understand where we are biblically.
But again, this is what we were talking about the other day about you have to be careful who you're listening to.
You've got to be careful what you're saying with your words.
Remember this prophet, pastor, evangelist, and I'm talking to myself.
We will be judged by every word that comes out of our mouth.
So if you're looking to get clicks, you're going to get clicked out of heaven.
You're not careful.
So if I was you, you better be very careful because there's a lot of people deceiving millions of people, yet for what?
So you can get monetization right now, so you can get clicks.
Yet, what I'm worried about is heaven.
Yeah, well done, my good and faithful servant.
We are in a generation that information is the key.
How do I know that?
When you have President Trump investing $500 billion on artificial intelligence projects, that tells you that we have entered the information age and is changing everything from this moment forward.
Challenges Facing Trump's Agenda 00:07:44
And I have to ask the two of you: what do you guys think will be one of the biggest challenges as President Trump started his new four-year term?
What are the challenges that his agenda is going to face with the Democrats, even the Rhinos and the Republican Party?
What do you feel is going to be one of his biggest challenges to face?
Well, the question is whether he'll be able to get around the deep state.
I think he was surprised in his first term at how deep the deep state actually goes.
He, I don't think, was really prepared for the level of opposition he was going to face, but he's had four years to look back, reflect, learn, vet new allies, and prepare for this moment, which is why I think the deep state is so, I mean, their heads are exploding with the things that he has done already in just the first few days as we're recording this, just the first few days of his presidency.
Will he be able to root out the entrenched opposition inside the bureaucracy?
There are a lot of people embedded in, say, the Department of State, inside the intelligence communities, and inside the military who may not support his agenda.
And the question is whether he will be able to push his view of what America should be despite in the face of opposition from people in those agencies whose job it will be to carry it out.
Well, one example is his policy at the border.
He is already sending out ICE agents and the military.
The military have gone down to the border, and the ICE agents are starting to knock on doors.
And there are planes and helicopters that are prepped to take individuals home.
And if you don't know where your home is, we'll find one for you.
And I told Derek this morning, I said, what do you want to bet?
A lot of them are sent to Venezuela.
Yeah.
It will be telling.
And again, we won't know for sure until we can look back on the Trump presidency and try to analyze what's happened over the next four years.
One of the things I've learned just from reading over the last year or so is how often American presidents are not told what the intelligence agencies don't want them to know or what the military doesn't want them to know.
And in fact, will actually go out of their way to try to circumvent what the president does.
This is not just President Trump, but going back to, yeah, it's pretty much all of them.
I mean, Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Truman, Rosa, Eisenhower, they had people inside their administrations.
Kennedy had people inside their administrations working against, well, Lincoln, yeah.
I mean, we think of the president as the most powerful man in the free world.
But the fact is there are very powerful forces inside the government and even outside the government who have influence in the government.
There's an example.
Just very recently, I discovered, and you knew this probably, and I bet you know it too, that one of the people who was in Israel during the negotiations for this most recent ceasefire in Gaza was the head of the CIA.
Now, why would the head of the Central Intelligence Agency be involved in the ceasefire negotiations?
That's a good question.
Unless, of course, it was really the intelligence agency that were doing the negotiating and not the State Department.
Very interesting.
So, Sherry, I want to ask you a question then.
How do you think the global community will respond to the United States withdrawing from the World Health Organization?
What kind of impact would this have?
Because as you're saying, if it doesn't really seem to be that the people who say they're running the country are running it, then when Trump does something like this, what kind of impact do you think it will have on us?
Well, first of all, it isn't the first time Trump has done that.
He's been anti-WHO in his previous administration.
The WHO, and I'm really glad he pulled out of it, because the World Health Organization, as of May this year, should there be another, I'll just say blank demic, because it could be pandemic, as in a disease, or it could be an infodemic, and that's according to the International Health Regulations.
Well, yes, but it was the, what am I trying to say, the amendments that over what, 300 of them?
Over 300 amendments.
There are a bunch of amendments that were approved last year, which mean that when the next infodemic, pandemic, whatever demic comes along, the World Health Organization can tell all the nations of the world who are part of it, gets to tell them what to do.
They are, according to this treaty, the WHO's general will be in charge.
Well, with Trump pulling out of it, he's saying to that treaty, the International Health Organization Treaty and the World Health Organization, uh-uh, we're not doing it.
We're not playing your game.
And I pray that the rest of the world leaders follow suit.
Yeah, this was a story that really flew under the radar last year, the amendments to the international health regulations, which is a treaty, again, that's been signed by all but five nations in the world.
It is essentially a legal framework that the World Health Organization can use to become a global dictatorship in the event of a public health emergency, which they would declare, of course.
So with President Trump pulling out, he's saying, we're not going along with this.
You're not going to tell us how to respond to a public health emergency inside our borders.
And you're not going to tell us that we have to give up resources that we have collected for the benefit of our people to other nations.
Now, of course, the rest of the world will probably react with shock and horror and say this is exact.
But there is a rightward shift taking place in many nations, especially in Europe, that are seeing that being governed by so-called progressives is really not progressive at all.
It's a way to see your country basically dismantled piece by piece.
Yes, we need to get back to the world leaders putting their own countries first.
Instead, the world leaders have, by default, over the last few decades, said, well, okay, we'll just let some guy over here run the world and tell us what to do, because we want to sign on to the new world order idea.
I think that Trump is going to be resisting that.
In fact, he's already telling some of the leaders at Davos that he doesn't like their rules.
And he told Bank of America, stop defunding conservative organizations.
He just had that phone call with them this morning.
Yeah.
I saw that, and I was telling our dear friend Darren that Trump is not holding back.
And he's being direct and it's going to make them uncomfortable.
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But worldwide, the whole world's watching this, and he called out the president of Bank of America and didn't hold back.
I think that tells you that his interest is America first.
Yes.
And I think he's making a statement, understanding that America is not going to be put down any longer.
You're not going to take advantage of America.
And when he pulled out from a lot of these organizations, he saves a lot of money for us as Americans.
Tax dollars, yeah.
Textiles, absolutely.
One organization was taking $500 million a year from America.
No wonder they're going to miss us.
Yeah, they're definitely useful.
We can talk about that all day long, but Sharon, can you provide us with an update on the bird flu and the concerns about its potential spread?
Well, you know, it's really difficult to get accurate information on that because depending upon the news outlet, you'll get some that are screaming headlines like, entire flocks have died.
There was a flock in Chicago, egg layers that I think he had 5,000 hens that all died.
They were free-range egg layers.
In other words, they got to roam around instead of being sequestered in one building, which is normally where egg layers are put.
And this gentleman lost everything.
He lost everything.
It wasn't that his birds were culled.
It was that he found his birds all dead.
And when they were examined, they had H5N1, avian flu.
Now the question is, well, I have a lot of questions on that that I could really get into, but boy, that could get you into trouble.
But let's just say that there are a lot of egg-laying flocks, some of them in the millions of birds, who have been culled because one or two birds tested positive for H5N1.
I do understand when you've got a bunch of egg layers that are in a warehouse situation that they very quickly spread from bird to bird.
But if you want to have affordable protein for your family, a lot of people, the best protein that they can afford to give their kids is a scrambled egg or a boiled egg or whatever.
Well, eggs are now $8 a dozen.
Eggs are getting really, really expensive.
Derek and I just paid close to $10 a dozen for eggs.
I don't think that this economy can sustain that for very long.
As far as human to human transmission, that doesn't exist yet.
That does not exist yet.
It is still animal to human transmission.
However, the disease is mutating.
And there have been two deaths in the Americas in the Western Hemisphere.
One in, sorry, two infections.
One in Louisiana where the gentleman died.
He had comorbidities.
In Canada, where it was a younger person who did not have comorbidities and is still to my knowledge alive.
Again, no human-to-human transmission.
This is not even an epidemic yet.
So I don't think it's something we should worry about.
Will it become a problem?
Possibly.
But it could become an excuse, if you understand what I'm meaning.
Wow.
Thank you for clarifying that.
Because we are seeing a lot of reports that are coming in and people are, you know, people are getting scared.
Well, we've seen both sides of the aisle.
We've seen the people who say it's not a big deal.
It'll never be a big deal.
You have nothing to worry about.
And then we've also seen the other reports emails that say, hey, this is the worst thing that's ever going to happen.
I mean, people go back to history, right?
And the great influenza, which, by the way, we're still offering that book on our website if you want to get more information about the great influenza.
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But even back then, nobody was worried about what was happening with the Spanish flu and then it erupted and it paralyzed nations.
I'm not saying that's going to happen with the bird flu, but I'm telling you, the way people are planning things today, it's scary to even think what happened with COVID and what they did to all of us.
And they got away with it.
Some even got pardoned.
Oh, don't get me started.
We'll go into that another day.
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You wrote a book called The Gates of Hell.
I wonder what the book's about.
No, I'm just kidding.
You're saying that the gates are a literal place.
And I want to ask you this question.
You kind of touched on it before.
You said this is actually a real place that Jesus took his disciples.
That it's not just a metaphor Jesus was using in the time that he was living in.
No, he actually had to be very intentional about this because it's a 30-mile walk from his home base in Capernaum on the north shore of the Sea of Galilee up to the foot of Mount Hermon, which is where Caesarea Philippi is located.
And that cave called the Grotto of Pan, which had been a sacred site to the pagans who worshipped goat demons long before the Greeks and the Romans came into the area.
By the time of Jesus and the apostles, it was a site that was sacred to the cult of the emperor.
There was a temple of Jupiter and other Nero had parties in there.
Yeah, Herod Agrippa.
Oh, that's right.
He was, yeah, had parties inside that cave.
So, when Jesus marched his disciples there, it was believed at that time that it was a bottomless cave that literally opened to the netherworld.
We know that, based on scripture, that Jesus took his disciples on a very difficult hike.
We've been on that hike, we've been in that terrain.
It is not easy walking, especially when you get to be our age.
So, he went there because it was a very specific location to make his declaration: yes, I am the son of man, I am the son of the living God.
Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because this was revealed to you by my father in heaven.
And on this rock, this 9,200-foot mountain behind us, which was essentially the Canaanite version of Mount Olympus, I will build my church, my ecclesia, my congregation.
And the gates of hell, this really big cave right over here, will not prevail against it.
So, that's, yes, it was a literal place, and Jesus went there specifically to declare his divinity.
So, I want to ask you this question then.
Why did you open the book with a short story about an evil artificial intelligence?
Because we believe that the true, the true gate to hell is within each of us.
It is our free will choice.
And the day is coming when artificial intelligence will help to open up the world to an idea of a leader that could be an algorithm,
or more likely, it will be a possessed or inhabited construct that we believe will be under the aegis, under the control of Kronos, who is the head of the Watchers.
That is why that artificial intelligence algorithm is called Kronos.
I had to really, you know, sort of, how do I get care O-N-O-S?
Worked that into a OS operating system that works, but K-R-O-N, yeah.
But ultimately, it's our free will choice.
Right.
Gates of hell.
Yes, Jesus took his disciples to a specific physical location, but the fact is those portals to the other side of those gates right here.
It's the human heart.
It's the free will choices that we make in opening ourselves up to the spirit realm and not exercising the discernment the Apostle John said to test the spirits for not all are from God.
Right.
And isn't it interesting that the Bible tells us the day will come when a mark, which could be related to this massive worldwide artificial intelligence network, that that mark will be taken from a free will choice.
But once you make that choice, it's the last choice you'll ever make.
That's why I do not think that we will be, you're not going to be unconscious and given that mark because that's an obviation of your free will.
The Lord has given us free will.
It is our choice.
Not someone else's.
It is our choice.
That is why it says, who take the mark and worship the beast.
All part of that free will choice.
It's going to be the last one you ever make.
That's right.
What she's referring to there is Revelation chapter 13.
If you want to go read what she's talking about, it's verses 15 through 18.
And it's talking about no matter who you are, great or small, free or slave, the beast is going to try to force everybody to make that decision, friends.
And people will get that, whether it be in their wrists, whether it be on their forehead, but they'll be permanently stamped with what we call the mark of the beast.
But friends, like you said, that's a permanent decision to be made.
Derek and Sharon, can I throw a question out there for you?
And we didn't ask if we were going to talk about this, but I just want to throw a hard one at them just because it's fun.
And we're the host of the show, so why not?
Okay, let's play just a quick hypothetical.
Let's say we're years into the future and somebody receives the mark of the beast.
Is that a decision that can be renounced?
Or they can say, you know what?
I no longer decide that I want to go with this anymore.
That's a really good question.
And I think Sharon just alluded to that in her speak, in her answer, previous answer, that that may well be the last free will choice that you can ever make.
Once you make that decision, and I think this is what scripture says in Revelation 13, once you decide to accept the mark and worship the beast, that's it.
You are, you're lost.
You won't want to change your mind.
Right.
And I think this is why there are people who are so distressed.
And we get these questions periodically.
What happens if I'm in a coma because of an accident or something?
And I get it.
What if it's in a shot?
What if it's in a shot, for example, in a vaccine?
No, it's got to be a free will choice.
God will not condemn you for something that is forced upon you against your will or without your knowledge.
You have to make that choice.
But once you do, once you do, that may well be irreversible.
That's right.
And that's why I say this many times.
You've heard me minister anywhere.
Nobody will accidentally take the mark of the beast.
That's just not going to be a thing, friends.
You're not going to accidentally, you're not going to walk in and, oh, oh, boy, y'all, you know, I accidentally took the mark of the beast.
That's not going to be a thing, friends.
You're not going to have to worry.
Like Derek and Sharon said, I agree with that.
It is going to have to be a cognitive choice that you're going to have to make.
But friends, I made the first question so I could set up myself for the second question, Derek and Sharon.
Do you think that this mark then, because you said, you know, this could very well be the last free will choice that somebody makes and they wouldn't even want to turn back.
So do you believe that maybe artificial intelligence with the things that we're seeing, like, you know, I'm not calling a specific company out, so I won't say their name, but people are putting chips into brains.
Do you think that maybe that all will have to go hand in hand and that's why the free will consciousness will be seared?
That's entirely possible.
We've been watching the development of central bank digital currencies and we talked about this on the previous program where I was a guest.
The G7 and the BRICS nations, which are the two main economic blocs that have formed, West and East, are both setting up trial programs for central bank digital currencies in 2025.
Now, a central bank digital currency is different from Bitcoin, which is decentralized.
No one person, no one company has control over Bitcoin and other decentralized cryptocurrencies.
But a central bank digital currency, okay, that is under the control of a national bank, and it can be programmed so that it can only be used for certain types of products.
It can be tied to a social credit score.
Exactly.
It can be geo-fenced so that you can't use it outside the boundaries of your 15-minute city.
So this could be then tied to a mark.
Say, look, for security purposes, we need to give you your own specially coded ID chip in your hand or your forehead.
You just walk into the store, walk out with whatever's there.
We'll debit your account.
That is certainly tied to buying and selling.
So I think I'm not saying, and we are not saying that central bank digital currencies are the mark of the beast, but boy, you can sure see how something like it could be used that way.
Yeah.
And I appreciate you guys letting me banter.
Sometimes I have questions right here in the middle of the broadcast.
And I think, well, we got two intelligent people.
Let's see if we can get them to give an answer.
So I appreciate you guys letting me banter there.
But, you know, this is a real possibility, friends.
It's why we as Christians need to have the Holy Spirit.
Because friends, if you have an intimate relationship with the Holy Spirit and you walk with the Holy Spirit daily and you allow the Holy Spirit to tell you, go left and you go left and go right and you go right.
I promise you, friend, when you get put in a situation where somebody says, hey, you should take this mark for convenience sake.
You should take this mark because the rest of the world's do it.
I promise you, the Holy Spirit will be sitting on the throne of your heart.
He'll be tugging at your heart saying, believer, you know dang well you are not supposed to be doing that.
And friends, I'm telling you right now, that's why a relationship with God, with the Holy Spirit, with Jesus, you have to be intimate.
Because friends, sometimes I said this at church last night.
I don't know who I said it to.
I said, you know, I had a phone call with a friend.
He said, you know, I'm just waiting for that small, still voice of the Holy Spirit to tell me what to do on this situation.
And I said, well, I'm glad you got a small, still voice.
The Holy Spirit grabs me by the hair.
He just shakes me around.
So I'm telling you, friends, it's important to have a relationship with Jesus.
It's the most important thing you'll ever do because while these things may sound scary and they may sound, you know, far out there at points, because I say some things that are pretty far out there, but friends, what we're saying is biblical.
What we're saying is going to happen.
Go to Revelation 13 for yourself.
Read it today.
This isn't some lofty idea where we're just making things up and it's, you know, oh, the whole world's going to have to take an identification chip.
And oh, those people sound kooky.
Friends, Revelation chapter 13.
Don't take my word for it.
Go be a good Berean.
Read the word of God.
Study to show yourself approval and make an educated decision, friend.
This isn't metaphor.
This isn't a hyperbole.
This is something that will really take place here on the earth.
And it is our job as Christians to ensure we're not deceived and to ensure our families around us are not deceived.
The infrastructure is being built right now.
Yes.
And I want to tell you something.
If you get caught unaware, it's your fault.
I hate to tell you that because you should be studying the word, staying involved in what's happening.
But when I see this headline and I read it the other day, what will you do when you can't buy or sell anything on the internet without your UN mandate digital identity chip?
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Amen.
Friends, it's wisdom to look out to the horizon, realize, oh, there's some dark clouds over there.
There's a storm brewing and prepare your house for it.
Friends, we have all types of insurance, life insurance, car insurance.
You have insurance for your phones now in case you drop and break it.
It is important that churches set up a food insurance for their communities, friends, because we're believe it or not, when there's a natural disaster that happens, where do people go?
They're not running and knocking on government buildings because they're probably not there.
They're probably off for the day.
That's a joke, too.
But I'm saying, they come and knock on the church doors.
And friends, we as the church have that responsibility.
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We as the church, it's not just an option for us.
We have the obligation and responsibility to take care of those who knock on that door.
Why?
Because that knock could just be for food, friends, but they could leave with something eternally better.
Jesus Christ.
That knock could just be for a dry pair of clothes, but they could leave with something eternally better.
Salvation in Jesus Christ.
And friends, we'll never back down from the message of the gospel that Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Jesus said it himself.
I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life.
Nobody, no individual, no person can go to the Father except through me.
Friends, have a relationship with Jesus Christ.
It's the most important decision you'll ever make.
I promise you, call that number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We want to pray that salvation prayer with you.
Yes, we want you to support the ministry.
We want you to continue to pray for the ministry.
That is a blessing to us, but it blesses us to be able to hear someone on the phone say, I just gave my life to Jesus.
Friends, that blesses us immensely more than anything else we hear throughout our day-to-day.
That's what this is all about.
If we ever start preaching the gospel and telling people about Christ's love and his sacrifice he made for them, this is all in vain.
Friends, I don't want to do this anymore.
I'll move on to something else.
But friends, as long as we have breath, we're going to tell you that Jesus loves you.
Jesus died on a cross for you.
He shed his blood so that you can be called a son and daughter.
He shed his blood so that you can be called heir to the throne, so that you can have eternal position with him in heaven.
And friends, eternity is a long time.
It'd be 100 million years to the 100th million degree.
And you'll have the ability to realize heaven has just begun for us.
Eternity has just begun for us, friends.
Join the family today.
Join the family of believers of Christ.
Make that decision.
Friends, you're not promised later.
You're not promised tomorrow.
You're not promised tonight.
You're not promised your drive home.
Make the decision today if the Holy Spirit is pulling at your heartstrings.
I promise you, friends, you'll never regret that decision.
You'll never regret knowing every day that God loves you, He cares for you, and that He sent His Son to die for you, friends.
Derek and Sharon, we want to thank you for being on the broadcast with us today.
We love you guys.
We'll have you back for a show too.
And I want to say to you, friend, never forget this in the words of Pastor Jim Baker, the founder of the PTL Television Network, the Jim Baker Family Show, that God loves you.
He really does.
Bye-bye for today.
Thank you, friends.
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