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Jan. 17, 2025 - Jim Bakker Show
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The Jim Bakker Show with Dr. Rich Rogers Part 2
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Twisted Serpent Deception 00:04:34
Hello and welcome to the Jim Baker Family Show, coming to you from the village of Morningside, USA, nestled in the beautiful Ozark Mountains.
Today, our special guest is the National Director of Faith Engagement and a senior fellow at the Center for American Values and president of Free Chapel College, Dr. Rich Rogers.
Our co-host today is Reverend Mondo De La Vega.
And now, live from Grace Troot at Morningside, USA, here's your host, Pastor Ricky Baker.
Hello, you're watching Jim Baker's PTL Television Network, friends.
We are honored to have you here with us today.
You can be doing a lot of other things, but you're tuning into this broadcast, whether it is live or it is on video on demand.
We are appreciative of you doing that.
I just want to go ahead and say a quick thank you to you.
I just had a phone call with Pastor Jim Baker this morning, my father.
We were talking for a while, and he wants me to remind you how much he loves you and how much he appreciates your support.
That 20 plus years of this ministry, being able to spread the gospel around the world, is only because of your efforts, only because of your prayers, and only because of your monetary support, your financial support of this ministry.
Pastor Jim Baker has had a word for 2025.
You may have seen this on our New Year's celebration, but I want to play it for you again because I believe this is truly an important award.
Here is a word from your friend, our dad, Pastor Jim Baker.
I want to wish you a happy new year and a blessed new year, and that every one of your loved ones will be saved, especially before the coming of the Lord.
I just have a few scriptures I want to read to you and share a thought that I've had in my heart.
And it's in 2 Timothy chapter 3, verse 1 through 5.
This know that in the last days, perilous time shall come.
For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedience to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truth-speakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despised of those that are good.
Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God, having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof from such turnaways.
God is very clear about this.
And then we go on and read from Isaiah 27.1.
In that day, the Lord with his servant's severe sword, great and strong, will punish Leviathan, the fleeing serpent, Lefion, that twisted serpent.
He will slay the reptile that is in the sea.
This is the day we're living in, that the devil, the twisted serpent, Leviathan, is twisting everything.
It's trying to twist the work of God, trying to twist the church and God's people.
A day when evil is spoken of as good and good as evil.
Revelations 21, 3 says, Who is Leviathan, that twisted serpent?
And I saw an angel come upon down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand, and laid hold on that dragon, that old serpent, which is the devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years.
He cast him into the bottomless pit and shut him up and set a seal upon him that he should deceive, not deceive the nation no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled.
And of that, he must be loose a little season.
So the Bible calls him Leviathan, the twisted spirit.
And that's what is going on today.
Leviathan is a spirit of chaos.
And we've seen it.
It's a spirit that wants to destroy good.
It's to try and destroy everything that our present stands for.
Restoring Broken Relationships 00:15:53
And so the prophet said the spirit was loose on 9-11.
One of the prophets, actually it was Cindy Jacobs, and said that the Leviathan was loosed on 9-11.
This spirit twists communications and brings confusion.
It attacks you.
It blows up little things, causes tempers to flare.
The only thing that destroys Leviathan is humanity.
If you're humble, and we need to be prayer for our nation, for our country.
Pray for Trump, what they've done to him.
I can finally wear my hat on the program.
And that's why I wanted to wear it today, just to let you know that it's time to pray for Trump.
They really want to kill him.
And we must pray for the protection of God over him.
Pray for America.
Pray for our loved ones to be saved.
Pray for the food supply.
It's going to be in danger this year.
So we need to be very much in prayer.
And I'm not going to take any more time.
I just want to say blessings in this new year.
And I appreciate Ricky and Mondo and the whole staff stand faithful while Laurie and Aragon.
And we love all of you so very, very much.
And one of these days I'll be able to finish my Leviathan sermon again and bring you the whole thing.
But I'm not going to take time today.
Remember that God loves you.
And happy new year to all of you, from Laurie and I. Amen.
What an incredible word from our father, Pastor Jim Baker.
I mean, he's dealing with a real issue that we're facing.
I mean, I was going to say in 2024, but now, I mean, it's still here in the church in 2025.
It needs to be addressed.
The twisting of the words is going to be a subject that we have to stay on throughout this whole year.
Social media, legacy media, whatever you want to call it.
Either way, there's going to be some twisting of the words.
Listen, already started when President Trump tweeted out about his concern on what happened in New Orleans, and they twisted it, saying, oh, he's so insensitive.
He didn't even address the people.
How can he do it?
So the battle has started immediately already, yet the twisting of the words is going to get even more hectic as we are developing this year.
But remain faithful.
Remain sane.
Stay in the word.
Understand that everything that God is trying to do in this season, the enemy is going to try to twist.
That's right.
The enemy absolutely will try to twist it.
But friends, when you have an interpersonal relationship with Christ Jesus, when you have that good relationship with the Holy Spirit, where you walk together daily, where you talk together daily, friends, that is how you can navigate the weather, I should say.
I was going to say the turbulence, but you know, it's kind of slightly more than turbulence sometimes.
We can navigate whatever comes our way from the external environment when you have yourself rooted on the word of God, friends.
The world may be shaking, but you don't have to be shaken because of it.
You know, one thing I want to talk about, Mondo, is the issue of restoration.
We talked about it a little bit on the last show.
But friends, it's important.
And I want you to open up your Bible.
Going to talk about a biblical view of what restoration is to look like because I believe 2025 is going to be a year of restoration, not just for pastors in pulpits, but friends for you and your family, whether it be an aunt or an uncle, a brother, a sister, whoever it is who you may have hurt or they may have hurt you.
I believe there's going to be restoration in this year.
I'm going to be reading out of Matthew chapter 18, starting in verse 15.
So if you have a Bible, open it up.
It's Matthew chapter 15 or 18, starting in verse 15.
It says here, if your brother or sister sins against you, go and rebuke him in private.
If he listens to you, you have won your brother.
But if he won't listen, take one or two others with you, so that by testimony of two or three witnesses, every fact may be established.
Right there, we see accountability.
What you're taking isn't a he said, she said situation.
You're bringing accountability into the situation by bringing trusted people.
Now, I want to emphasize that, believer, bring two or three trusted individuals.
You can't bring someone who, you know, they're going to run everything immediately to Facebook and post it to say, hey, you wouldn't believe the conversation I was just in.
Check out the details of this.
Friends, ensure that you trust them.
Ensure that they are godly.
Ensure that they have yours and the other party's best interests in mind.
And that interest is reconciliation and restoration.
Here it says, if he doesn't pay attention to them, tell the church.
If he doesn't pay attention to even the church, let him be like a Gentile or a tax collector to you.
Truly, I tell you that whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth would have been loosed in heaven.
Again, I tell you, if two of you agree about any matter that you pray for, it will be done for you by my father in heaven.
For where two or more or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.
And friends, it continues on in chapter 21.
It says, or excuse me, verse 21, it says this.
Then Peter approached him and asked, Lord, how many times should I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me?
As many as seven times?
Now, I truly believe there, Mondo.
Peter was really probably thinking, you know, I could say one or two or three, but I'm going to even take it up a notch.
I'm going to go as many as seven times.
How many times don't you forgive him?
Seven times?
And the Lord says this right here.
I tell you, not as many as seven, Jesus replied, but 70 times seven.
And that's what Jesus is saying.
You know, take whatever you think that you should have done and multiply it.
Make it even larger.
For this reason, the kingdom of heaven can be compared to a king who wants to settle his accounts with his servants.
When he began to settle his accounts, one who owed 10,000 talents was brought before him.
Says he did not have the money to pay it back.
His master commanded that he, his wife, his children, everything he had be sold to pay the debt.
At this, the servant fell face down before him and said, Be patient with me, and I will pay you everything.
And the master of that servant had compassion, released him, and forgave him the loan.
That servant went out.
So the one who was just forgiven, that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him 100 denarii.
He grabbed him and started to choke him and said, Pay what you owe.
At this, the fellow servant fell down and began to beg him in the same capacity that he was just begging the king.
He says, Be patient with me and I'll pay you back.
But he wasn't willing.
Instead, he went and threw him into prison until he could pay what he was owed.
Then the other servants saw what had taken place and they were deeply distressed.
They went and reported this to their master, everything that had happened.
And after that, he summoned him.
His master said to him, You wicked servant, I forgave you all that debt because you begged me.
Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant as I have had mercy on you?
And because he was angry, his master handed him over to the jailers to be tortured until he could pay everything that he was owed.
And also, so my heavenly father will do to you unless you forgive your brother or your sisters from your heart.
Mondo, how important is that?
We just read right here, the biblical way of forgiveness and restoration between a brother and a sister.
We have to forgive.
One of the most complicated, one of the most complicated issues is relationships.
That's true.
Relationships is one of the key factors that is bringing turmoil into the family.
Christmas, Thanksgiving, people arguing over values, views, morals.
I mean, you can go on and on politics.
It's a carpet color.
Exactly.
But you know what?
It is because relationship matters to God.
That's right.
One of the great books, if I ever recommended a book, I will recommend a book by the late, great Dr. Gary Smalley, The DNA of Relationships.
That is one of the best books on how to heal broken relationships and how to mend the relationships that need restoration.
I believe one of the key things, Ricky, this year, God is going to restore broken relationships through what you just read.
The biblical worldview on forgiveness is the key to mending broken relationships.
Amen.
One of the only things that I happen to believe we take to heaven is relationships.
Amen.
Amen.
I believe that.
Friends, I want you to really retrospect, really look internally today, tomorrow, whatever you have the ability to do so, and think, who have I wronged or who has wronged me that we need to come to the table in a biblical manner privately first and talk this out.
And then, friends, if it can't be dealt with privately, then move on to the next step.
And if it can't be handled there, then move on to addressing it within the church.
Mondo, see, the issue is the majority of the time, this is done in reverse order, where an offense has happened and then I will expose you.
I'm using this as an example.
I'll expose you to the church first.
Then after the exposing has done, damage has been done, I'll then pull you in with a couple of people.
Then once that has been done and mended, I might come to you and privately apologize for how I've handled the situation.
We've seen a reversal, and there is nothing more than the devil's trickery to make us think that is the right way of doing things.
It is supposed to be handled in a biblical manner.
Friends, if you're wondering how to handle offense, handle it in the capacity of Matthew 18, starting in verse 15, read this.
If a brother or a sister has offended you or hurt you in any way, go open up your Bible, Matthew 18, starting in verse 15, and read until verse 35.
This is how we are to handle situations by the book.
Listen, you have to understand, you and I didn't talk about what you just said.
Yeah, we don't talk about this before the show.
We didn't discuss it.
But yesterday or in the middle of the night, I couldn't sleep because I was thinking about two people that hurt me.
Yeah.
You know who they are.
Two people that in my heart, I want to get even with.
I just want to give them a piece of my mind.
Yeah.
It's our human nature.
Absolutely.
And I couldn't sleep and I was wrestling with this.
And yet God said, give it to me.
Amen.
And I said, God, I don't want to give it to you.
I need to deal with this.
I want to give my piece of my version on what happened and what they did, what they're doing, how they're going about certain things.
Yet God, again, dealing with me on this scripture to forgive.
I don't care how old.
Listen, I've been walking with God for 26 years, experiencing some of the greatest mountaintops that God can offer.
Some of the greatest moments that God has allowed me to be a part of were speaking to leaders and nations and thousands of people, television, writing a book, all the amazing things.
Yet, every day we deal with unforgiveness in our hearts.
Every day we have to deal with restoration.
Every day we have to deal with someone, you know, hurting you.
But I found the blessing.
Watch this.
Blessed is the man.
You see, some of you have to go back to the scripture to find out what true blessing is all about.
And it's not on the Roys Royce.
It's not on how many people you have following on social media.
Those are great things.
But the blessing comes when the Bible says, blessed is the man who does not get offended immediately.
The blessing, can you imagine he established the blessing before the offense comes.
Matter of fact, he said, don't let it be by surprise that something will come against you and offend you.
Blessed is the man that does not get offended immediately.
I needed a blessing and I gave it to God around 3 a.m. this morning and I said, okay, God, I'm tired of wrestling with this.
I can't sleep.
We got to do a show.
I'm giving you these two people.
I didn't go on social media and post about it.
I didn't go to the news and talk about it.
I didn't write a post.
No.
He said, give it to me.
Amen.
I believe this is the year that God is going to bring justice in your heart, in your mind.
It's not about you getting even.
He got even at the cross for you.
Amen.
Forgiveness is going to be a key for us Christians to understand how we're going to go through the process of being offended in every way this year.
Amen.
You know, I had a conversation with your friend, Pastor Jim Baker, our father, and he was, I asked him the question.
He brought this up.
I asked him, I said, you know, what is one of the things you believe that the church needs to continuously be working on?
Because there's some things that are established.
We have traditions that are established.
We have things that are, you know, set in stone.
What's one of the things we need to continue to be working on?
And he told me forgiveness.
And I said, okay, I said, that is true.
And he goes, I'm going to write my last book on forgiveness.
I said, you better start writing.
So he's writing another book.
He says right now on the topic of forgiveness within the church body.
Because Paul said it best, we're to be good to everybody, but especially of those of the household of faith.
And I truly believe that, friends.
We are to be good to everyone.
Be good to those, even if they don't agree with you, friends, because sometimes it's our kindness.
It is the goodness of God that leads a man to repentance.
Wow.
But especially to those of the household of faith, we are to be good to.
And so, Mondo, forgiveness is truly one of the best ways that a believer can be good to another person.
A very famous person, if I mention their name, you will know who I'm talking about.
But this person said, unforgiveness is like carrying a dead body on top of you and walking around throughout your day.
And by the end of the day, either you're going to die with that body or you're going to smell like death.
Unmet expectations is like drinking poison, expecting the other person to die.
We are living in a moment where God wants to review our hearts and find out if we have any unforgiveness in our hearts.
Because if God wants to use you, if God is going to entrust you with the call and the will of God, you want to make sure that your heart is right with God, that there's no unforgiveness.
Let it all go.
Again, I don't mean to plug my book, Ricky, but I want to tell you something.
This book is about forgiveness.
I had to forgive my father.
I had to forgive the man that helped give me life, the man that was my hero, the man that became someone that I idolized.
Yet, this man abandoned me.
This man hurt me.
This man walked away.
This man, when I needed him the most, yet him and I could not make peace.
And my dad was shot dead in front of our home.
Forgiving With Biblical Principles 00:05:29
And I wanted to go get even because that's what I knew how to do in the gangs.
Yet, God told me I needed to forgive him and forgive the person and the people that killed him.
Amen.
I'm telling you something.
Forgiveness is going to be the key in this turbulent times that we're in right now.
Because if we don't learn to forgive our enemies, then how are we going to enter heaven?
How are we going to be forgiven?
That's right.
And forgiveness, friends, does not mean what the person did to you was right.
It doesn't mean what they did was good.
It simply means you're free.
Why?
Because you've given it to Christ.
You've given the chains to Christ.
You've given the ropes of bondage to Christ.
You've given that heavy yoke that you can't carry on your own to Christ, friends.
Give it to him.
He wants it.
He paid for it on the cross.
It is his rightfully, friends.
The blood of Jesus Christ is still good to cover everything.
All sin, all iniquity, all pain.
Friends, we need to accept the good gift that Christ gave us.
That's the message we want to preach to you today.
We want to bring that to you.
So, you know, you may be struggling with unforgiveness right now.
You may be sitting at home or watching this at work on your phone or listening to it on a podcast format.
Friends, forgive today.
Why?
Because we want to be forgiven by Christ Jesus.
We want Christ to look at us and say, I have noticed that even when you have been done wronged, you went back to biblical principles and you forgave.
You went back to biblical principles and you turned the other cheek.
You went back to biblical principles and loved your neighbor as yourself.
Friends, if there is anything you take away from this part of the broadcast, please take that away.
Today is the day you need to pick up that phone and call someone and say, I forgive you, even if it's hard to do it.
You need to pick up that phone and say, I'm sorry I wronged you, even if it's hard to do.
Forgiveness is something that you need to do today, friend, because why?
We're not promised today.
We're not promised tonight or tomorrow morning.
We have the moment in which we're living in right now.
If the Holy Spirit's tugging at your heart, if he's prompting you to call someone right now and have that conversation of forgiveness, friends, I urge you, pause the show, turn it off, pick up that phone, and have the conversation of forgiveness with your brother or sister, with your aunt or uncle, with your grandmother or grandfather, with a co-worker, with a boss.
Have the conversation today because I promise you, you'll feel a weight lifted off of you.
Gary Smalley, one of my biggest mentors in my life, used to tell me it's not what they did to you that matters.
It's how you respond to what they did to you that will shape your value and your morals.
I want to tell you something.
It's not about them.
And maybe it's not even about you, but it's about him, about God working through you and helping you understand that if you're going to be a witness to him, you got to trust him when he tells us and he teaches us on forgiveness.
Amen.
We have more, I believe that we have an epidemic of unforgiveness like never before because we have all been hurt by someone, by something, by an organization, and we can't just let it go.
How do I know that?
Go on social media.
People are angry at the church.
People are angry at politicians.
People cannot forgive those leaders.
People can't forget.
And yet, look where we are.
We are a nation.
Half of the nation wants God.
The other half doesn't want God on anything.
That's right.
Yet we're at that crossroad as a nation that we need to understand what values are we going to move forward with.
And as Christians, oh, the hardest thing to do is to walk by faith and not by sight.
As a Christian, you walk under the banner of forgiveness, knowing that Jesus Christ has set us free.
That's right.
Friends, I want you to call this number.
It's 1-888-988-1588.
We'd love to pray a prayer with you.
We'd love to pray a salvation prayer with you.
Or if you're simply saying, hey, you know what?
I need to be prayed for for unforgiveness.
I have this in my heart and I want you to pray with me.
We would love to do that.
Again, it's 1-888-988-1588.
Friends, your relationship with Christ is the most important thing that you will ever have.
It is the most important decision you will ever make.
And it is the most important decision you'll make every single day.
Because, friends, it's our choice daily to pick Christ, to pick up our cross and follow him.
Friends, we have that responsibility as believers and also to be telling people that Christ is king and he is coming soon for his bride.
Friends, that bride is you and I.
I want to tell you that is the most important thing you can do today.
Accept Christ into your heart.
Friends, we love you.
And that's why we bring the message so blunt.
That's why we're not going to dance around the issue that yes, there is a heaven.
And if you accept Christ, you'll go there.
And yes, there is a hell.
And if you reject Christ, that is where you'll spend eternity.
And friends, eternity is a very long time.
We believe in preparation here at this ministry, spiritual preparation first and foremost, but also physical preparation.
It's something that we have done for almost two decades now.
Since Hurricane Katrina, we realize there is a need.
Why Preparation Matters 00:03:05
The church needs to step up in a greater capacity and take care of people in the clothing, in the food, in the water.
And so we've done that.
And we've partnered with someone called Numana.
This is a Holy Spirit-inspired couple, the Brighmans.
We love them.
They are good people.
But what they want to do above all is ensure that the church is prepared.
This is a video we have of them.
And friends, I want you to watch this because this is important.
Why we believe in preparation physically.
Watch this.
When we started, it's been, you know, 12 plus years.
We never dreamed you're going to get to this point.
The things that you see on the news were only part of your imagination.
We're creating about 233,000 meals every single day.
We're having a hard time providing enough food for each of the 300 food banks we work with.
You must be resilient.
You must be prepared.
This isn't your regular everyday long-term food storage.
This is essential food.
We want it good enough that you could eat tomorrow.
You know, you're late for baseball practice or whatever.
You want a quick meal with your family, you can do it.
You want it camping, whatever.
It's a no-lose investment.
This looks like it is something that needs to be put on your table tonight.
When you order a bucket, order multiples, put it into your pantry.
This is a family pack.
There are 17 different varieties of food.
This food is 25 plus years.
Yes.
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So we have freeze-dried fruit, freeze-dried vegetables.
They're awesome.
This water, if you have enough of it stored away, it can save your life.
This water is purified and it's the process.
This is the first of its kind.
It has zero bacteria.
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It's just so important for survival.
I mean, it is a question of survival for a lot of these families.
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I want to welcome back our special guest, Dr. Richard Rogers.
He's the National Director of Faith Engagement and Senior Fellow at the Center for American Values with the America First Policy Institute.
Thank you so much.
Good to be back.
Thank you for being back with us today.
Good to have you.
God bless you.
You know, a lot has happened over the course of 2023 and 2024.
Election Integrity On The Spot 00:03:49
A lot of people were very nervous of what the election was going to look like, not necessarily because they thought one party was going to win in a landslide over the other, but because we thought there would be election fraud.
What did you and your organization that you work with?
You've helped really create from the ground up.
What did you guys do to help combat that fraud in different states?
Well, election integrity was one of our core areas of focus.
We have an entire site of our building that's dedicated to the attorneys that are see they see it coming from Wise House.
First of all, they were able to kind of pick through everything that happened in 2020.
2020, the widespread fraud was basically because of so much mail-in voting.
We knew in the wake of the pandemic that that was going to be a major, major issue.
How great an issue we didn't know.
You couldn't know about boxes dropped off in the middle of the night.
You couldn't know about that they wouldn't allow Republican or conservative election observers in the rooms.
You didn't know everything that was going to happen.
And it happens so fast, they call the race.
And then you spent the next two or three months collecting all the affidavits for the eyewitnesses, and not one single court in America would look at the case.
They all ruled you don't have standing.
So even though there were eyewitness accounts, even though there was factual documentation, all those things were ready to be presented, not one single judge in America would take that case.
And so this time we were on the front end of that.
We knew where to look.
We knew what kinds of things would be happening.
We invested a lot of time and energy and money, as did people like Charlie Kirk and the different organizations, not only recruiting, but training election observers or poll watchers.
And so throughout the nation, we had poll watch, we had eyes on the ground in every precinct, every polling place.
And then the second we were not granted access or the second we ran into a problem, it was a phone call and the legal action went into place.
You saw quite a bit of that.
You saw they just left a lock off of something in Wisconsin, which is how they do it, by the way.
And Lara was there.
The administration, they were there on the spot, and they challenged that.
That's why Wisconsin took so long to come in that night.
But there were still some things that went on that you're going to be hearing a little bit about probably in the next three or four weeks.
But overall, we were ready and we had eyes everywhere and attorneys ready to file injunctions on the spot.
Amen.
You know, it takes a lot of work, and I want to commend you and your organization for being willing to do that.
I know it's not easy because attorneys have to get paid and people have to work and people have to eat.
So I want to say thank you because you've sacrificed a lot of time, effort, just to go out and ensure that not just a party was winning, but that a value was winning.
So I want to say thank you for that.
Yeah, and there's value in the election integrity process.
There's value in making sure that it's a true election.
We're not asking for a rigged election.
We're not asking for it to turn out well.
We're asking for fair.
We're asking that we make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
That was our two goals right there.
Easy to vote, hard to cheat.
Amen.
Dr. Rogers, will you tell us what you do and how your organization helps promote biblical values in American policy?
Because we've seen some policy over the last few years that have been brought in, and it's very far from biblical policy.
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So, how are you guys trying to change that tide?
Well, like I said in our last show, if you weren't watching, the AFPI was formed out of people that came out of the Trump White House, his cabinet members, a lot of his staff in the White House there.
And from the very beginning, the establishing documents of AFPI were based on biblical foundations.
They were based on the pillars that affect society the most, and then the biblical foundations for each of those.
And so, that was a part of what we did from the very beginning.
We developed also a book called Biblical Foundations that we literally could not keep in stock this past year.
Thousands upon thousands were requested.
Basically, it helped pastors and lay people say, okay, these are the issues.
These aren't just like a position on the issues.
These are what the Bible has to say about each of these issues.
It's everything from the sanctity of life to the economy to the transgender agenda to the LGBTQ agenda to everything from like electric vehicle mandates to, I mean, all these major issues that were on the ballot.
We provided the biblical foundations for everyday Americans to have that conversation from a biblical perspective.
You know, I'm a realist.
There's optimists, there's pessimists, and then I believe I'm a realist.
You know, I kind of ride the fence, but I know that I try to look at things from a realistic standpoint, not just always thinking it's positive, always think it's negative.
Let's talk about our education system here in America.
Obviously, you are an educator yourself.
You have been well educated as well.
What do you think the chances are that we get biblical foundations being taught again in public education?
Because I know that's something that people are rallying for.
Arkansas just put something great with Governor Huckabee.
She just pushed something great forward where the Ten Commandments will be allowed back in schools again, biblical reading will be allowed back in school again.
What are the chances you see that we see a nationwide sweep of the Bible being accepted again in public education?
And also, Louisiana.
It's just happened in Louisiana as well.
So that's probably one state at a time.
But I think that for most people in the Christians that are educators and in the educational world, and certainly Christian parents, the step before even asking them to implement biblical kinds of things into the curriculum is to get them to just teach the curriculum.
Take out the extra stuff that they have.
All the extra stuff.
A math teacher doesn't need to be talking about pronouns and transactions.
Gender ideology.
No, they don't need to, that's not their role.
So, number one, getting to basically teach with integrity.
When I taught my future teachers at Pepperdine, I said, I said, you can go into a classroom and pretty much teach anything you want.
You'll know when they're going to come supervise you.
They're going to take notes.
And so you have to have the integrity not to just teach what you think a third grader should know, but there's literally state standards in every single state, frameworks in every single state that say this is what a third grader should learn.
That's right.
And so that is basically just getting them to teach that, that's huge.
That is a huge part of the problem right there.
And so I think as we insist upon teachers doing that more and more, you're going to see a lot of the other things kind of fall by the wayside.
And so as far as implementing the biblical things, even if we can just start with more of the Bible clubs and the things that we do on the side, and I'm not so sure that we need to be pushing that the Bible be taught in public schools because I think that's the parents' role.
That's the church's role.
There's lots of places that those things can take place.
But certainly protecting a huge number of parents' rights in the homeschooling community, that will always be under attack.
There'll always be those that say they're not licensed teachers, they're not qualified teachers, even though those kids do better on national test scores and entrance exams into colleges than any other group in America, including private Christian schools.
Well, people don't realize, you know, the founders of this nation, as well as the innovators who brought us into the Industrial Revolution, they were all taught based off of something called the New England Primer.
I mean, they were taught based off this very small work, and they were geniuses.
They were brilliant men.
It is when, obviously, they realized in the education system, we need factory workers.
We need people who can sit at a desk for eight hours a day, do the same thing every single day.
That's when we saw the corruption of the education system really begin, you know, the 10s, the 20s, the 30s.
But the New England Primer, very, very small book.
I own a copy of it.
And I told my wife just the other day because we homeschool our children based off of that New England primary.
I thought, this education I wish I would have received as a child.
I mean, I'll tell you, so I understand it'll always be under attack.
But, friends, we need to ensure that I like how you said this.
It is the parents' and the pastor's responsibility to ensure that the word of God is being poured into your child, not sending them off for eight hours a day, hoping that a teacher will teach them good morals because we don't know, like you said, we don't know what's being taught during their course or their class period.
Unless you go to a school like Mondo, I will say caveat: unless you go to a school like Mondo's children, because they go to School of the Ozarks, which is College of the Ozarks, sub-education school, they are teaching good values.
I want to go and say this: my public support for School of the Ozarks, friends, that is a tremendous school.
I know your children go there, but they're actually taught biblical values, they're taught constitutional values, and they're taught America first.
Exactly.
Absolutely.
And yet, it's still our responsibility as parents to make sure that what they're learning at home is what their values are going to be at the end of the day.
You see, the reinforcement is what I call the reinforcement of the school that reinforces what we teach because the values that we have is the values that the school has.
So, you know what they tell us at the school?
The faculty there says we're partnering with you, parents.
Amen.
That's a good way to put it.
I want to tell you something: if your school is not partnering with you, you have to check that school or you have to check yourself.
You know how many kids are showing up to school that are broken, bruised, abused, and the teachers have to be there to pick up the pieces of the broken pieces that are coming from home.
And a lot of times, we want to blame the school system with what's happening at home, Pastor.
You're not just a doctor, you're a pastor.
Pastor.
You have a flock.
Absolutely.
You pastor parents.
Dr. Gary Smaller used to say the problem is not in the kid, it's in the parents.
Why are parents having a hard time teaching their own kids about the biblical values that they're not getting at home?
I think that goes back to the church.
The church has the responsibility to train up the parents to train up the children.
They need to understand as parents that you don't drop your kids off and leave the educating to the schools and pick them up, and then you go do the other stuff.
You have to be looking at your kids' textbooks.
Revisionist history is one of the greatest issues we face as a nation, as a Christian nation, and in the church, being taught a different version of history than actually happened.
That will only happen when parents actually take a look at what's being taught.
You're talking about critical race theory, you're talking about DEI, you're talking about transgender ideology.
Well, sex education at such a young age, an age where they shouldn't even be thinking about it.
We're sexualizing our children to the point where what does a third grader have to do with sexualization in their body?
Yeah, this is what we're dealing with, but it's a home.
Listen, I use myself as an example with my wife and I because our kids, in every stage, we get involved preparing them for what the world is going to bring to them or expose to them.
You know that the legal definition of a teacher is in local parenthesis.
It's Latin for in place of the parent.
And so the role of the teacher has been to like, originally the goal was to be this partnership between the two, that there's mutual support, mutual understanding.
And so that has to continue.
And you are 100% right.
Your daughter must never see that last little segment, Rick.
No, you might have to edit that one out.
That's right.
I want to talk about this because public morality is a big issue as well.
We see that the moral compass, if it doesn't, and I've said this many times, I'll continue to say this.
If it doesn't line to the cross, if true North isn't pointed at the cross, then there is no such thing as perfect morality.
Friends, there's only true morality found in biblical values found pointing back to the cross.
But public morality has kind of become flippant over the last few years where it is whatever you feel it is.
It is all based off emotion.
It's based off feeling.
What is your organization doing to kind of regulate policies going into place or to try to improve public morality?
Because we want to ensure that our children are safe.
Where I'm just going to call it like it is, because we've never backed down from any issue on the show, where men, grown men who are adults, aren't running around in front of our children naked.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It is crazy.
In my book, The Next Level of Living, I talk about that Satan's primary two goals or focus are the mind of man and the children of man.
If he can control the mind of man, and he does that through phones and through all the mind of man and the children of man, if they can just sway one generation of children, if they can just move them away from the faith, the Old Testament talks about that, how they'll live in places where the trees that they did not plant and food that they, all these kinds of things, the further they can move them away.
But who'd have thought?
And this is how important elections are.
You go back to 2020.
Did any of us think we would be seeing men in girls' restrooms, boys and girls' sports, puberty blockers for children, surgeries removing breasts and penis from children?
Did any of these people?
And some of you think about that being done without parental consent.
Oh, 100%.
And drag shows being commonplace for children.
The parents out in California, they started going to school board meetings and saying, what is this in the books?
And they would read it.
And it wasn't long until the FBI puts out a directive, equating them with extremists, with terrorists.
Why would it be allowed for your child to read it, but a parent couldn't read it to the school board?
I watched one of those public rallies where the school board was sitting there listening.
They're saying, sir, please stop using this language.
And he says, I'm not doing anything other than reading you word for word what is in this book that you're allowing my children to check out from your public library.
But that's how far society will slip.
And it's the church.
The church is to be that center, that moral compass.
It's to be in that moral compass in that community.
I challenge how effective a church is.
I don't care how you're growing.
I don't care the finances, anything else.
If all around you is like the worst crime, is all these different things, all these things that you have no impact on your community, then you're just like a tree with no fruit, man.
Wow.
You may be a beautiful tree, but there's no fruit because the fruit won't just happen in the walls.
Wow.
True fruit is what takes place outside the walls of the church.
And the church has got to bring those walls down and get be a part of that community.
They got to encourage your members to run for school board, encourage your members to run for political office.
Encourage them.
Absolutely.
They can't keep segmenting themselves off away from the rest of society and just have their own little platforms in their own little world talking only to each other.
Wow.
When their communities are dying, their kids are dying of fentanyl.
There's crime that's rampant.
Some of the greatest churches in America are in Chicago.
And some of the greatest crime and the greatest things like that are taking place right there in Chicago.
That's right.
And so they have to start seeing themselves as a part of the community and not this isolated place.
The world wants them to stay in the four walls.
You guys just go do your church stuff.
That's right.
We don't want you out here talking about.
Shut up.
Yeah.
And those that would call others Christian nationalists, they are literally in full compliance with a world that says, just do your church over there and leave the rest of the world alone.
We can't disengage.
We have to re-engage.
That is nowhere in the gospels.
That is nowhere in the life of Christ.
I got to ask you: how are we going to adapt to our new world of artificial intelligence?
What does the policy look like?
Because January 1st, 2025 marked a very prophetic moment in biblical history, biblical prophecy, because this new generation is being coined to be gen beta,
meaning that these kids will live in a world dominated by artificial intelligence, virtual reality, and witnessing many technological advancements like we've never seen before.
Yet, I believe that the Bible is for now more than any other time in history.
But yet, we still have to deal with everyday issues of corruption and artificial intelligence in the hands of the wrong person or dictator or leader will turn this world upside down.
How does policy look like with this new world of artificial intelligence?
The gatekeepers matter more than ever.
Those that sit in the seat of regulation, those that sit in the seats.
That's why people like Elon Musk, you take Elon Musk and you don't just add his knowledge and his information and all that and his inventions and everything else.
Let's get him saved.
Let's get him following Jesus Christ because we need people that have that kind of vision and that kind of foresight.
And God will raise them up.
Every time that there's been something to come against God's people or against the people, God has raised up people, raised up, God knows more ingenuity and more technology than any of us put together.
But I believe he will raise up people that have an understanding that he will place in seats of regulation, seats that almost a prophetic place to say, we can't go past here with that.
And all the way down to as simple as a saying I saw the other day that says, if you want to see your child's childhood end, put a phone in their hand.
That's right.
And so God is going to raise up people with that kind of knowledge.
I have a daughter that anything technology-wise, she can get on there and chew, choot, chew, chew.
And she's got it.
I go to Mexico to an orphanage with kids that never get to have a phone.
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They don't get to have a phone.
And I'll sit down and those kids, third grade, second grade, first grade, will get my phone, and they're at YouTube right now.
They're here right now.
They've never been trained on it.
But there's an aptitude that God places in some people for these kinds of things.
And I believe God's going to raise up people with that.
And that those people better have a moral compass and not dollar signs in their mind.
But those with the moral compass have got to be the loudest voices in the room.
And we'll use it for good.
Because we can use these things.
Friends, I believe there will be a point where technology is used, you know, to implement the market-the beast system.
We don't know when that will kick in.
But until then, friends, we should be dominating the space.
Christians should be dominating the space, seeing how many believers we can get in the world of AI, how many believers we can get in the world of these big tech corporations.
You know, they say the third industrial revolution is from the 1950s and it's expected to go until 2030.
That is what they're saying, roughly.
But I truly believe this, and I'll stand by this: 2025, we're going to see the first year of the first technological revolution.
I believe that is going to be here because we're going to see such advancements in artificial intelligence.
Because it was before that we would make an advancement every 25 years, then it was every 10 years, then it was every five years.
But, friends, with artificial intelligence teaching itself at the rate we are doubling and tripling our knowledge every couple hours now with technological advances, they're coming up with languages and speaking to themselves.
Friends, it's important that this is in the hands of believers.
Be a believer and get in one of those companies.
Go work for Elon Musk.
Go work for Facebook and Instagram and X. Go work for a big social media network and be a strong believer with a good moral compass so that you can have a say in what the future for your children and grandchildren's lives look like.
Listen, and start a Bible study there.
Can I encounter that again?
Watch the movie Forge, one of the greatest films that has come out on Netflix about a Christian message that is so needed today about accountability, discipleship, forgiveness.
But this movie deals with discipleship and how we have to disciple each other if we're going to see the next generation saved.
I believe, listen, over the holidays, I met with my cousin-in-law, and he's one of the higher heads for Yahoo News.
Found out that his mom committed suicide right before Christmas.
This man doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe anything.
But guess who he called for prayer?
Me.
Ask me, how do I understand my purpose in this life?
I want to tell you something.
People are hungry for the Spirit of God.
There's a revival taking place in the midst of all this chaos.
I'm seeing revival take place in the land of a major church there that no one ever knew about.
I'm seeing revival in the schools in Orange County, California, where hundreds of kids are being presented with the gospel of Jesus Christ, not by a well-known person.
No, it was with somebody that got hungry and said, God, use me.
This young man, nobody knows, but I can tell you that God is using him in Orange County, and thousands of young men and women in the school system are coming to know the Lord Jesus Christ.
Don't give up on this generation.
Stay in prayer.
Get disciple and disciple someone near you so we can continue to grow this gospel and take it around the world.
We are living in that moment where I believe that the prophecy in Job says that I will pour out my spirit on young men.
And I want to tell you that right there should encourage you to know that while the world's going to hell in a handbasket, someone said, God is moving at the same time.
That's right.
We have a solid foundation.
You know, Dr. Rogers, I want to ask you this as there's a few minutes left in the broadcast.
What are some of the upcoming policy initiatives from the AFPI Center for American Values?
And how do you plan on involving faith leaders in making these policy choices?
Well, that's the beauty of what's going on right now, even in the White House.
There'll be a White House office of faith like there was under Trump.
There'll be a faith director in every single agency under every single secretary in every department.
And so they are there to safeguard if something comes up against the church kind of thing to do that.
So that access that's being granted then will be extended to pastors and leaders all across this nation once again to come, to make their voice heard, to learn, to be connected, to be a part of the process.
And going back to what you were talking about, AI can explode on the scene.
All those things can happen, but the Bible still says, I will confound the wisdom of this age.
I will confound it.
They will think, hey, we've got it all figured out.
And I just, I want to talk to you.
You're that mom or you're that grandmother at home.
You're that prayer warrior.
You guys don't know this, but there were prayer organizations all across this nation from 2016 to 2020 that they would take turns coming to D.C.
And they would be covering that city in prayer the entire time that that.
Those groups rose up during this last election and i'm telling you, you prayer warriors, you people that do war on your knees, you are going to have more power than than an Elon Musk.
Amen, you are going to be the ones.
You are going to be the ones, not because of any fancy degrees or anything else, but because what matters most is, it's not by might, it's not by power and it's not by technology, it's by my spirit, and you guys understand that.
Stand in the gap for this nation, stand in the gap for young people, stand in the gap for parents whose children have gone astray and they've walked away from that.
That meant that they might walk back, just like you talked about in the last service, that prodigal child.
You guys, hold the power the church is.
You know i'll finish with this.
He says, yeah, he said the armies of hell are going to march against the church, but they may march against the gates of this church, but the gates of the church, they shall not fall.
They will stay strong.
They will not prevail against god's church.
Amen, that's a promise from god's word.
Amen doctor, would you pray for our viewers as we, as this broadcast today?
Father, thank you, thank you for every person that's listening, thank you for every single person who not only listens but listens regularly.
And thank you especially for those that listen, that listen regularly and say lord, here am I send me, here am I use me, and lord I, I just pray.
A special hand of, of your blessing on those who lord.
Maybe, maybe they don't have special gifts, they don't even feel like they're a real spiritual person, but you've blessed them financially in a way that they can't even understand.
Help them to understand that you've blessed them, that they might be a blessing lord, convict in them this idea and this understanding that this is good soil this, this soil here, goes back decades.
This soil has overcome even failure.
This did this.
This, this soil has overcome and your blood is, is has literally been, been been gone into the ground here lord, and out of it has sprung flowers of hope.
Lord, show them what you would do with their widow's might.
Show them what you would do with the way that you've blessed them, those that you've blessed, especially Lord God.
And Lord, I pray that you bless this house.
Bless these brothers, Lord.
You've brought them up for such a time as this, Lord.
There's a next generation, and there's always going to be a next, and they are the next, Lord.
And I pray that you would bless them, that you would anoint them, that you would go before them, protect them, protect their families, Lord.
May they go before the people of your people, Lord, with confidence and courage because they know that you are with them.
Amen.
Bless them, Lord.
And for those that are listening at home that are struggling right now, in whatever way, Lord, give them a peace that passes understanding.
Be their great provider.
Be their healer, those that need healing, Lord God.
Be their protector, Lord.
And may they know that you are a strong tower that they can run into anytime in any circumstance, Lord, because you are faithful.
And so we trust you with our children.
We trust you with all that we have, Lord God.
And I ask that 2025 be a year of extraordinary breakthrough and unexpected blessing right here, right here in this stage, in this house.
Amen.
In your precious name, I pray.
Amen.
Amen.
We all said amen.
Praise God.
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Bye-bye today.
God bless you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, David.
God bless you.
Good to see you.
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