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May 7, 2019 - Jim Bakker Show
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God's Hidden Secrets - Pastor Debbie Lindell on The Jim Bakker Show
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God's Journey Through Darkness 00:05:50
What else in this book do you want people to know about?
Because we're going to be out of time soon.
Well, one of my favorite chapters is Treasures in the Darkness.
Yes.
And two weeks after I signed the contract for the book, I was diagnosed with breast cancer.
And the book isn't about the breast cancer journey, but I did feel very, I felt like God wanted me to talk about it because I had to walk.
I literally had to choose to walk by faith and believe that God was still with me, even though the diagnosis came right after signing.
And I remember one day walking with John, and I was like, I don't think I can do this.
I don't think I've got it in me to process all of this and write the book.
And we were walking on a street in front of our house, and he walked fast ahead of me, let go of my hand and walked fast ahead of me, turned around and said, stop.
He said, you're writing a book about believing God.
If you don't believe God, you shouldn't write the book.
That's right.
He said, are you going to believe God or aren't you, Debbie?
And I was like, whoa, that's pretty strong.
And honestly, that really did.
I was so thankful that he was felt bold enough to say it to me.
Exactly.
And so I was like, okay, God, this is your book.
This is your journey.
So help me.
And so Treasures in the Darkness really talks about a little bit about that.
When things go wrong.
Yes, God has hidden secrets there.
It says in Isaiah 45, 3, he has given us treasures in the darkness, hidden secrets, so that we may know that he's called us by name.
Yes.
So true.
Exactly.
And the next chapter is big girls do cry.
It's okay.
Here, your precious wife was diagnosed with breast cancer as a man.
I mean.
You know, I think both of us, Debbie lives life on the sunny side.
She was born on a sunny side.
Yeah, I can see that.
She's a person of just joy automatically.
So, I mean, when she was diagnosed, we were both like, hey, this is going to be, this is going to be, God's going to see us through.
And when they said double mastectomy, we were still like, hey, God's going to see us through.
And in fact, the doctor was saying, you know, people cry, people go through depression, people go through this.
We get in the car and Debbie says, you know, I know he said that, but I don't think that's going to happen to me.
She said, what do you think?
I said, you know, I don't know.
We haven't walked there yet.
Yeah.
Sometimes.
And so I think, you know, I think that was a surprise that's made so hard for her is instantly things she didn't think she would feel.
And her deal went bad.
It was not one surgery.
It was two surgeries.
There were problems with it.
Her recovery was lengthy.
She lost a lot of strength and energy, weight, all that.
And she just was really, really weak.
At one point, I think she thought she might die.
And so, you know, that's when she's trying to summon the faith to how can I believe?
I mean, so it was a good place.
Honestly, the diagnosis wasn't the hard part.
I remember the doctor coming in and saying, you know, Debbie, I need to talk to you.
I need to tell you something.
John wasn't there because they didn't expect to find anything.
And she was fumbling around with her words, and we were just, you know, sitting at a small table.
And I said, do I have cancer?
And she said, yes, you do.
I said, and I remember that instant she spoke those words, yes.
You know, just being like, okay, I have a choice right now.
You know, what am I going to do?
I said, it's okay.
God's with me.
He was with me 30 seconds ago.
He hasn't left now.
That's right.
It's amazing to walk through this.
But so I went into the surgery with, I mean, we believed God could heal.
Sure, of course.
But I believed he could heal in an instant.
And my nature is, let's move on.
So, I wanted if he didn't heal, so let's he's going to heal a different way.
Right.
So, we went into the surgery a week later, and I was just like, We've got this.
And the doctor said, In two weeks, you'll be back to work, Debbie.
You know, part-time, you should feel great.
Well, it went two weeks, two months, four months, six months.
And I was in had infection, and very that's when the discouragement set in because I wasn't living up to the expectations, honestly, mine that were, you know, or I looked at other girls that had walked through it and they, man, they jumped right back into work and were feeling great.
What was wrong with me?
Why wasn't I healing?
Wow, and for you to feel your temperament to feel that way.
Yes, I don't sit still very well, so that was hard.
Yeah, well, then what was this adventure, I guess, out of this darkness?
John can even elaborate on this some more, but I did go into a really low place.
I think, you know, the enemy loves to discourage us.
And I think he really tried very hard to thwart the plan of God.
Yes.
But he didn't.
But he didn't.
Sometimes, honestly, you just have to keep on walking.
You just have to.
Because we walk by faith and not by sight.
I don't mean to, you know, you just, even if you don't feel like it, you just got to take that next step and trust that the Lord is going to give grace and strength in the middle of that.
And if you don't have a faith-filled husband around you, which I know there's girls listening today that don't, you know, find a faith-filled girlfriend.
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We'll help you walk out this trial or darkness that you're walking through.
You're not alone.
That's right.
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