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Oct. 6, 2017 - Jim Bakker Show
29:47
"If I Were The Devil" (Revelation in the News)
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James Hotchkinson's Motive 00:05:09
Hello and welcome to Revelation in the News.
I'm your host, Ricky Baker.
Today we have a very intense topic.
We have seen the largest mass shooting in American history just take place on, you know, in Las Vegas, Nevada.
That's right.
Now we have seen 59 now dead and over 500 have been wounded.
And I know immediately after it happened, the hospitals were swamped with so many different victims from this that it was like too hard for them to handle.
It's just the waiting line for these people to get in.
It was ridiculous.
Absolutely.
I know we've heard a lot of conspiracies and we've heard a lot of different things.
Were there multiple shooters?
Was there this?
Was there that?
But even if it was just this one man, what does it take to drive a man to be that, honestly, critically insane to think that there is something okay with shooting innocent people?
That's right.
I mean, it's honestly sick.
And, you know, there's been a lot of, I would like to call them conspiracies, but we don't know the motive of his man.
So really anything at this point has to just be speculation or conspiracy.
Because the man killed himself.
He was, you know, of the 59 dead, he was one of them.
I wouldn't call him a victim, though, but he was one of the people dead.
So we don't know his motive.
And I hate that so much.
That was the coward way of doing things, honestly, because there's no way to really figure out what he was doing at this point.
It's all just speculation.
But there are psychologists that have been trying to kind of tap into the brain of Mr. Paddock.
That's right.
And we actually have a video of someone who was on Fox News kind of explaining the psychology of why he was there and who he was targeting.
So what goes on in the mind of a shooter like this as they shoot at innocent people?
Here now to discuss this is Dr. Michael Wellner.
He's a top forensic psychiatrist who has personally examined a number of mass killers.
Doctor, thank you for being with us.
Good morning.
What happened?
What's going on here?
Well, if you want to understand the killer, the most important place to start is with the victims.
And what we can immediately see is that he had no relationship to the killers.
A workplace mass shooter knows his victims.
And they want to see the victims.
And they want to destroy, annihilate the workplace.
It's another key point.
The family mass shooter knows the family, wants to annihilate the family.
The criminal enterprise wants to kill a gang.
So it's a stranger mass homicide.
And a stranger mass homicide happens for one of two reasons.
Either a person acting for a cause or a person acting because he wants to transcend notoriety and kill as many people as possible, like a James Holmes.
However, James Holmes, who was the Farora shooter in the city.
And you worked on that case.
Yes.
Here's the thing.
Shooting for notoriety's sake and nothing more is a young man's crime.
And this is a 64-year-old with no dramatic mental illness, no major decline, someone who's intact.
I think if we want to understand what's behind the crime, we should look at James Hotchkinson, the shooter of Congressman Scalise, because that crime itself was intended to be a spectacle and of much bigger scope.
Imagine this.
What he intended to do, Hotchkinson, was not only kill all of those lawmakers, but in doing so, we would have had to have special elections to replace all of them.
And if it weren't for the security people who intercepted him, you had all kinds of congressmen and lawmakers in a dugout, defenseless, who would have been mowed down.
My point is, a spectacle is either designed to cause some derivative impact or to instigate some cause discussion.
So the point is, he's an older man.
There's no definable mental history or decline, and yet it happens now.
Now, if there is a cause, there will be a manifesto, there will be a communication with the television or other kind of media or social media.
It will be out there.
If there's nothing to necessarily tie him to a cause, then instigating is enough.
And that's exactly what the parallel is with another older man's crime, Hodgkinson, spectacle crime, just like the person who flew a plane into the IRS.
People who commit crimes for notoriety alone are young, and he's not.
What about genetics?
Because his dad was on the FBI Miss Wanted list, was a bank robber.
Well, the genetics of psychopathy are, you know, of course, 50% we inherit roughly, but in terms of the genetics of psychopathy, they may be as important as environment.
You know, that was something very interesting to realize that he made the point that, you know, if he was doing this for fame, that that is a young man's dream.
Because obviously, I think if you wanted fame, you probably wouldn't shoot yourself.
Exactly.
And you'd probably live out your fame in prison, which doesn't sound very ideal to me.
But a lot of people are trying to look for reasons that he would do this.
But even coming up with the fact that he could be there specifically to shoot Republicans and conservatives.
Conspiracies and Home Booby Traps 00:11:09
Yeah, because when you think of country music, I mean, honestly, that is what, you know, I don't listen to a lot of country music myself.
I don't dislike it, but it's just not my favorite music.
But you think of America, you know, you think of, you know, heart and soul of America.
And even the CBS lawyer who was just recently let go from CBS said, you know, she didn't feel bad because most of these people were gun shooting.
You should feel normal.
Conservatives and Republicans.
I'm like, that's ridiculous.
I mean, for the CBS to, someone in their company to come out and say something like that is.
But good for you, CBS, for firing that woman.
Yes.
Absolutely.
I mean, no matter who it was, kudos to you for taking the stand and saying that is absolutely wrong to say something like that.
I mean, we know that authorities have recovered 23 weapons from Paddock's suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandala Bay Resort and Casino, including several rifles and scopes.
That's crazy.
We know this man had to have been somewhat crazy.
What do we need to do to make sure these kind of people don't get weapons or that amount of weapons?
Yeah.
I mean, even the NRA has been talking about regulating gun laws and even like more stricter background checks and mental health checks and things.
But this is such a tragedy.
I mean, there is something more that is going on here.
I don't think it's one person.
I think there's a lot of conspiracy theories like you had started off saying.
And speculations because we just don't know motives.
So everything at this point has to be a speculation or conspiracy.
Exactly.
Which I'd even say, you know, restricting certain gun laws, who really needs bump stocks?
You know, because really what a bump stock is, is taking an automatic weapon and creating an automatic out of it because the combustion from the bullet being fired is forcing the stock forward and hitting your trigger finger, creating a quicker pace and rapid fire.
Yeah, so all you have to do is you have to take your hand and you lock it into a position and it hits off a spring, like you said.
And as long as you keep your finger in that locked position, it will continue to rapid fire.
I watched a few videos on it this morning and they sound just like fully automatic weapons.
You know, I do want to say I 100% think people need to be like there needs to be a psychology test maybe taken because I think the stricter the gun laws are is a fine line because usually what happens with that is it makes it harder for good citizens to be able to get guns to be able to protect themselves.
But criminals are always going to find a way around it.
Let me tell you, if we, you know, there's a lot of people saying like we need to remove guns.
You know, Australia had some of their ordinances.
They had guns removed from their towns and their homicides went up statistically and their crime went up statistically.
But also, if we remove, I promise you this one thing: if we remove the guns from the good people who carry them, who have their concealed carry, who have licenses to carry these weapons, I promise you, the criminals aren't going to go, well, you know what?
We should now abide by the law.
Exactly.
You know, the thing is, people are saying these weapons shouldn't be available to the public.
How did he get these weapons?
How do Mexican mafia get fully automatic rifles?
How do gangs get fully automatic rifles and grenades and grenade launchers?
How do they get these type of things if they're illegal?
Exactly.
You know, it comes down to if someone wants it bad enough, they're going to get to make a way to find it.
You know, that's like saying, let's shut down the pharmacy because people are doing mess.
Yeah.
You know, like people are.
But there needs to be some kind of vetting, especially a high-power rifle like that.
Exactly.
We need, we need to straight.
I'm not saying take all of the guns away because obviously the criminals are going to have them regardless.
But yeah.
Well, let's just go off a few more facts of what we know about Mr. Paddock, the shooter.
Several pounds of ammonia nitrate were used to, which are used to make explosives were actually found in his car.
And you actually said they were found in his home also.
Yeah, yeah.
So obviously, you know, he did kill himself, but if he had explosives ready in his vehicle and in his home, he may have actually been thinking farther even down the line.
Well, you know, the interesting thing is the FBI have been doing an investigation.
They haven't found anything wrong with his background check.
But why else does someone need explosives in their home?
So, I mean, I know we're talking about guns.
Like a booby trap.
Yeah.
We're talking about the Second Amendment rights, but what about explosives?
Is explosives in this list of right to bear arms?
I don't think so.
I believe that the Aurora shooter, what happened at the movie theater during the screening of Batman, he actually had booby traps set up around his home with the explosives because he was prepared to do what he did, but then also retreat to his home and be able to barricade himself in there until, honestly, he died because I think he knew there was no other way out of that.
But get this, at least 19 more firearms, explosives, and thousands of Rams, thousands of rounds of ammunitions and electronic devices were found at Paddock's house.
So that's even more so saying he was ready for a war.
And again, you know, talking about what we know about him, they are even saying six months prior.
Yeah, well, in June, he started taking medication to keep his anxiety down.
I'm like, so that's very premeditated.
You can tell that's premeditated.
And the fact that his girlfriend went to the Philippines and he wired her $100,000.
Yeah.
She said it was because he had, you know, he was stressed out and he had something to do and he didn't want her getting in the way and she wasn't aware of it.
We don't know if she was involved.
We don't know if she was involved.
Again, anything at that point is going to be speculation or conspiracy because there's no proof linking her whatsoever to this shooting.
Well, we know he was like trying to kill a lot more people.
You know, we were watching the news this morning, John and I, and we saw that he was looking into like night vision equipment to like really like be able to see people at night.
Well, what's interesting too is one of the first people to take claim to this mass murder was who?
ISIS.
Now, I have a thought on that, and you can agree with me or disagree with me on this, but every time we see, you know, what we see, like the tragedies in Europe where people are getting run over, horrible, horrible events, shootings, knives stabbings, and no one, you know, it's typically a lone killer and they end up passing away or they end up killing themselves.
Now, whenever nobody steps up to take credit, ISIS always a few days later says, oh, wait, wait, wait, that was us.
Free marketing.
I think, no, really.
I think they just take the credit for stuff like this because there is no links to Mr. Paddock right now and ISIS.
So they see something like this and they say, we can instill fear in the hearts of people if we just take credit for it.
And nobody is going to be like, well, it probably wasn't ISIS because we need something to blame at this point, honestly.
Yeah.
Because we're not getting enough information out of the mind of Mr. Paddock.
There's no motive.
Well, you know, I think to go along with what you're saying is, I think people are rushing to condemn Islam like the Islam because they said six months before this that he had converted to Islam.
Exactly, because his girlfriend was a Muslim.
Right.
So he had converted.
And so they're trying to radicalize him.
Like I said, we don't know if he was a radical.
If we don't know if he was.
We don't know.
We can't really tell you these things, but they're all things that add up to a bigger puzzle because I think there's a lot more to this than we know.
Right.
And I think, you know, we're getting so used to seeing these different things almost on a weekly basis that I was actually just reading USA Today was saying we've seen hurricanes, earthquakes, and now this mass shooting.
A lot of people now are starting to think of the end times in America.
And I think this is one of those things is that we're starting to see more often these things happen almost on a weekly basis.
Like as soon as I turn off the news, it's like something else happens.
America is becoming numb right now because we've seen so many devastations, so many tragedies.
And if another thing happens, another thing happens, it's going to get sooner or later.
Where I'm not saying we won't feel for these people, what I'm saying is we're going to, it's going to become the normal, which is a scary place.
Now, you had made a comment that maybe he was targeting Republicans and conservatives and conservatives because it was a country music concert.
Now, Mr. Praddock was not a registered Democrat or Republican, and he was not registered to vote in Florida, which is where he had his home.
So the fact that he wasn't a Republican, he wasn't a Democrat.
There's been rumors, or excuse me, there's been theories that he was an anti-Trump supporter and that he did support the other side.
So, like I said, we don't know any hard facts, but all we know is this man was evil and he did what he did, which was a horrific crime.
And we need to take further steps to ensure that things like this do not continue to happen.
What's scary now is what if you want to take your child out to an outdoor concert?
What if you, you know, your favorite band is playing and you want to go just enjoy a night with your family?
You can't even do that without the thought of legitimately, maybe someone's in these buildings.
That's right.
Because you, you know, you can't screen every single building in a hotel that size.
I mean, you could, but it would take hours and hours and hours.
And it was over weeks, right?
Or maybe a week that he was just moving in equipment into this 30-second.
It's to the point that he even had cameras set up outside his hotel room.
It's like, and nobody saw anything unusual with this.
I mean, do no, people normally set up cameras outside their hotel rooms.
That's why I think it's an insight job.
That's why I think of, you know what I mean?
Like, there's so many things that just don't add up that it can't just, there's more to the story.
And I think that we'll just see more as things get revealed and as like more facts come into light and stuff.
But there's got to be a bigger feel like this is something we're going to see more often.
And it is a sign of the time.
You know, the Bible does tell us that it is a fact that people's hearts are going to go cold.
And I hate to, you know, even numb to the fact that these major events happen.
Yeah.
Now, I do want to say this to all the American people who get, you know, and watch this show.
If you have not gotten this, please do.
If you are, if you pass all the tests, if you've taken all the training and you properly know how to use a firearm, please look into getting a concealed weapons permit.
So if something like this were to happen, you would be able to help save people's lives.
You know, because I truly believe in America, there's a lot more good guys with weapons than there are bad guys.
But the bad guys are the ones that make their mark because they're either bloodthirsty or they just don't care.
You know, nobody wakes up in the morning and says, I want to kill people today unless they are demonically possessed.
And I really think that Paddock was demonically possessed.
And honestly, I'd go as far as saying the devil himself was inside that man to think that anything about that was okay.
Back in 1965, I was surprised to see this, but Paul Harvey had even talked about the signs of the times, which I found very interesting because he's not a usual person to come out of Harvey.
Paul Harvey was actually a radio announcer, and he had been on radio for probably 50 or more years.
Satan's Influence Explored 00:08:32
You listened to him when you were a child, you said that.
That's right.
I grew up listening to it on the AM radio with my dad, and he always had a great news report and things to say.
Very interesting show.
I mean, even before, like Rush Limbaugh and all.
But I do want our audience to check this out because he made some very bold statements back in 1965 that I think we all need to consider because it sounds like a lot of what's happening today.
If I were the devil, if I were the devil, if I were the Prince of Darkness, I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness, and I'd have a third of its real estate and four-fifths of its population, but I wouldn't be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree, the.
So I'd set about, however, necessary, to take over the United States.
I'd subvert the churches first.
I'd begin with a campaign of whispers.
With the wisdom of a serpent, I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve, do as you please.
To the young, I would whisper that the Bible is a myth.
I would convince them that man created God instead of the other way around.
I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square.
And the old, I would teach to pray after me, our Father, which art in Washington.
And then I'd get organized.
I'd educate authors in how to make lurid literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting.
I'd threaten TV with dirtier movies and vice versa.
I'd peddle narcotics to whom I could.
I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction.
I'd tranquilize the rest with pills.
If I were the devil, I'd soon have families at war with themselves, churches at war with themselves, and nations at war with themselves, until each in its turn was consumed.
And with promises of higher ratings, I'd have mesmerizing media fanning the flames.
If I were the devil, I would encourage schools to refine young intellects, but neglect to discipline emotions, just let those run wild.
Until before you knew it, you'd have to have drug-sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every schoolhouse door.
Within a decade, I'd have prisons overflowing.
I'd have judges promoting pornography.
Soon I could evict God from the courthouse, then from the schoolhouse, and then from the houses of Congress.
And in his own churches, I would substitute psychology for religion and deify science.
I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money.
If I were the devil, I'd make the symbol of Easter an egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle.
If I were the devil, I'd take from those who have and give to those who wanted until I had killed the incentive of the ambitious.
And what'll you bet?
I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get rich.
I would caution against extremes in hard work, in patriotism, in moral conduct.
I would convince the young that marriage is old-fashioned, that swinging is more fun, that what you see on TV is the way to be.
And thus I could undress you in public, and I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no cure.
In other words, if I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing.
Paul Harvey.
Good day.
If I were the devil, I'd just keep right on doing what he's doing.
This was 1965.
That is absolutely, he it legitimately sounds like he came to 2017.
Yeah.
He wrote down what's happening in our news every single day, and he went back and read it on his radio program.
And one of the main things that just struck me is he said the media is going to fan the flame.
You know, churches are going to be at war with one another.
Families are going to be at one war with one another.
And even in our nation, it constantly seems like there's a narrative of division always being perpetuated that is divisive.
There absolutely is.
I mean, you saw him say he's, we're going to take the Bible.
We're going to take God out of the schoolhouse, and then we're going to take it out of the courthouse.
I mean, you just see legitimately everything he's saying has already come to pass.
Paul Harvey obviously wouldn't call himself a prophet, but it sounds like he's doing, you know, hit the nail on the head.
I mean, even like socially, like the climate socially with like marriage being old-fashioned and like there being no swinging is more fun.
There's no absolutes.
Like there's no objective truth.
Like he, this is insane that it was in 19, what is it?
1965.
Wow.
You know, and it reminds me of, you know, what we've been talking on the show with David Wilkerson.
And David Wilkerson even saw, you know, these things happening.
And in his book, he constantly is pleading for the church to wake up and for the nation to pay attention to these subtle changes that in the end, look at where we are now.
Absolutely.
And for you, for those of you who don't know, David Wilkerson was a prophet of his time.
You know, he's an older man.
He's he's passed away now.
He passed away sometime in the 2000s.
But he was a very disliked man.
Even a lot of his family didn't like him because of the message he had.
And the message he had was, this is what's going wrong.
Repent.
Repent, repent.
But people mocked him.
And now you're reading, you can read his books.
You can find a book called The Vision and Beyond.
You can get online.
Honestly, the copies run about $50 a copy, though.
They're expensive books, but it is so worth the read because you're reading this thinking, did he live in the year 2017?
Because everything that's happening, legitimately, he's already said, like, this is going to happen.
You know, what from everything from what's going to happen with the youth to what's going to happen with our corporate banks to what's going to happen with FEMA that we're seeing happen right now.
Yeah, and even talking about we're going to see a time period where the stock markets are going to be up.
People are going to spend money.
They're not going to be wise.
They're not going to save.
And with the, you know, I keep hearing from financial experts to be aware.
And I'm not even talking in the church world, but Alan Greenspan's always saying, be aware.
One day everything's going to collapse and the dollar is going to one day become worthless.
Absolutely.
What we have to realize is what we have as money is something that we control.
We made up.
You know, the Federal Reserve pretty much controls everything.
So, yes, we make our own money, but it is controlled.
It's in a controlled environment, you know.
But the thing we have to understand is money isn't there.
We have a very large debt here in America.
I mean, with all the events happening, we've had to recently raise the debt ceiling.
Isn't that right?
Yeah.
Just to be able to help these countries.
That was after Harvey.
So that wasn't before Irma or Marie.
It's just how much more are we going to have to do?
Because Donald Trump has come out saying, hey, we're going to wipe the debt of Puerto Rico, which is already above $70 billion.
Which is, I think, a very noble thing to do to help them get back on track to becoming somewhat normal again.
You know, Puerto Rico, the majority of it is destroyed.
It's a very complex issue.
As of this point, I think they only have between 5% and 10% of the power restored on the island.
I mean, it is a very sad thing happening.
And people are leaving.
This is the problem.
People are leaving Puerto Rico in droves.
So they're not going to have a market.
There's not going to be enough people really to sufficiently hold up the island financially.
Now, what I want to ask you, John, is, is FEMA's money doing all right?
I mean, do they have enough funds to take care of everybody right now?
They do right now.
I mean, like you said, we've had to raise the debt ceiling after Harvey, and I'm sure they're going to have to do something again because that's a lot of money, you know, $70 billion.
I think I've even heard numbers, almost a trillion dollars with all these natural disasters that have taken place that they're now going to have to come up with.
Wow.
You know, and there's so much going on right now.
I think we need to direct people's attention back to where is their foundation.
Eternal Security with Jesus 00:05:29
I was reading in the vision, David Wilkerson even brought up the point that he sees Satan going before God much like he did Job.
And this really convicted me and convicted my heart.
You know, Satan went before God again, just like he did Job, saying, God, if you take away your heteroprotect protection around your people, around these American Christians, then they'll one day stop to rely on you.
And what ended up happening is he said, Lord, let's not do what we did with Job.
Job, we took everything away, but he was steadfast and he believed in you.
Let's give them everything.
And now you look at America in the last like 20, 30 years, we've been probably the most prosperous nation.
But at the same time, as a nation, we've gone from being strictly close to God to being the furthest point away from God that our nation has ever been.
It even talked about being strangers of God.
It talked about in the David Wilkerson book that people wouldn't even just be sinners before God, that they would be strangers to him because they just didn't know him.
Absolutely.
And it kind of brings me back to that scripture that we were talking about, that men would be lovers of themselves.
And we always look at that scripture and we say, oh, it's the selfie culture that we live in.
It's this culture of narcissism that we kind of live in now.
But it's also being a lover of yourself so much that you can't change and change your kind of viewpoint towards God and like doing what God wants to do.
You love yourself so much that you love that.
God made men in his image, but we have made God in our own.
Yeah, exactly.
Because we love ourselves so much, we think he should adapt to us.
And adapt to our thoughts and our cultures.
When we realize that we have to realize, excuse me, that we are absolutely nothing without God.
And there's a transforming power of the gospel, too.
The fact that we are a new creation shows the power of the blood of Jesus Christ.
We've even seen leaders in our country saying that being a Christian is so old-fashioned that we've somehow evolved from it.
Christianity right now is being belittled and demeaned as, you know, that's such an old-fashioned thing or that's such an antiquated thing that you have old-fashioned morals and standards.
It's more, I think people hate the absolutes of Christianity more than they actually hate Jesus.
People love Jesus.
Come on, Jesus was like a super likable guy.
People know that Jesus is pretty cool.
I think about Christianity, what they hate is the fact that we're saying, you know what, this is, we have objective truths.
And there's some things that are okay and some things that are just not to be moved and are not to be shaken.
Even other religions respect Jesus.
Exactly.
Islam respects Jesus as a prophet.
They just don't respect him as the son of God.
But I'm here to tell you today that Jesus Christ is the son of the only living God.
And if you don't have a personal relationship with him, you need to make sure to get into a good Bible-believing church.
You can even call Morningside Church here.
You can email us.
You can write us anything to take that first step of faith into joining the family of Christ because that is the only way in these crazy times we're seeing hurricanes.
We're seeing earthquakes possibly happening soon.
We're seeing mass shootings.
But there's only one place to have your foot put down on a solid foundation and be super secure that whenever you pass away, you're going to go to heaven because there is security in the Father.
So if you haven't given your life to Jesus, please, please, please do that today.
And I promise you'll never regret it.
You guys have any final thoughts before we leave the air today?
Well, I just want to, like you said, encourage people as a call to action, not just do good things, not just work at a church or go to church, but actually have a relationship with Christ.
Find time to spend with him because you don't want to do all these good things and then get to heaven and say, I did all these things, Lord, but he's going to say, well, you never knew me.
And I never knew you.
And if you deny me before people, I'll deny you.
I'll deny you before my Father.
There's, I mean, something great about Christianity is the security that we have that we know that when we go, when we die, that we'll be with Jesus.
But it's also the security that we have on earth while we're still alive that he can transform us and that he can be with us and we can have heaven inside of us while we're still here and alive on earth.
So that's really...
Absolutely.
And let me just put something into perspective for you as we leave the air today.
If you're a Christian and you have your roots founded in Jesus Christ, when you pass away, you are going to go to heaven.
You're going to spend eternity with God.
That means in 100 billion, billion, billion years, you're going to have the cognitive reasoning skill to understand that heaven has just begun for me and my Savior.
And you can multiply that to the nth degree and you will still have the cognitive reasoning skill to say, eternity has just begun for me and my Savior.
Now, on the flip side of that, if you never choose to have, or if you choose to have Jesus Christ your relationship and you fall away and you never choose to rekindle that relationship with him or you completely fall away from the religion itself or you just don't ever take the step of faith and having Christ in your heart, you know, you'll end up going to the lake of fire.
And in 100 million billion years, you're going to have the cognitive reasoning skill to understand that hell has just begun.
And you can multiply that to the nth degree and realize that hell has only begun for me.
So really today, focus, take some time and pray.
If you don't believe in prayer, try it.
I promise it won't fail you.
But think, where do I want to spend eternity?
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