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Aug. 23, 2017 - Jim Bakker Show
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A Book Of Acts Church - Paula White-Cain on The Jim Bakker Show
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President's Persistent Plea 00:02:12
Well the president, he keeps saying it.
He keeps saying, we just need to love everybody.
We all need to love everybody.
He says it over, doesn't he?
All the time.
Did you teach him that?
Well, what's so great about this, when you say, I spent so much time, I would go in.
I have a place in New York, and I would go in.
Always, when I was in town, I had a church there, and he'd say, Paula, come on in.
And I'd think, well, he's going to kick me out of a meeting after 10 minutes or so.
And he'd just let me stay there.
All day.
I'm thinking like, surely he's going to kick me out.
And at the time, it was just fascinating to think how he thought because he thought more kingdom-minded than almost any pastor I'd ever been around.
So when we would meet with us, I mean, people were, you know, I'd say 80% would come in and be very skeptical.
90% would leave loving him because he would sit for hours with us.
And he'd listen.
He's one of the best listeners.
One of the best listeners.
And this is so important because what he recognized, he recognized, and I started this, that we as preachers didn't go to him about the Johnson Amendment.
He said one day in one of these meetings, he said, you know what?
You're no more powerful than the homeless man on the street.
He goes, you've lost your voice.
And he comes up in the next meeting that we're in, and he said, I'm going to restore the Johnson Amendment.
And I'm thinking, well, surely somebody told him about this because I didn't really know all about the Johnson Amendment.
I knew a little bit, but I kind of didn't know.
And I realized I just knew we weren't ever allowed to talk from anything.
And everybody came and investigated.
I went through nine years of investigation.
I mean, it was like, no one wants to talk about it.
But if you've been in big ministry and you've ever been in ministry, trust me, you've gone through it.
And it's where we stand up and you've got to say enough is enough.
You can't be fearful right now.
You can't hide behind like when Jesus was crucified, as I said before, how the disciples hid and then Jesus showed himself and then they came out with boldness and they came out with power.
Never Twist the Truth 00:05:56
We need the book of Acts church.
We need to have an outpouring of God's Spirit.
We need the church to be bold.
And they were bold under persecution.
We glory in tribulations.
We rejoice in persecution is what my Bible says.
Not like some crazy person says, oh, I like going through all this hard times, but it's saying that we recognize that we are really genuinely in spiritual warfare.
And Pastor Jim, I'm telling you, John and I, we would go to the rallies and things because he always, he'd want us around.
He'd say, you know, pray for me.
And I'll talk about his faith in a minute because he'd say, pray for me or share this or da-da-da-da-da.
And we would, we would just be there in prayer and we'd be praising and etc.
And I would sit in a conference or rally and then I don't watch a whole lot of TV.
You know, if it sounds crazy.
And then all of a sudden I decided, I'm going to turn on the TV because I was hearing all this controversy.
And I watched where we just were, and I couldn't believe it because if I was not there myself, I would have never believed it because they were so antithesis.
They were so different.
And I went, John, do you see this?
It was such a setup.
And I knew beforehand, like the protesters and all this, it's like all these young kids of first were coming out, right?
And then they would go out, make a scene, and then they'd start laughing.
And he was so patient.
And then the media would portray something else.
I'll never forget this lady had been standing in heat for a long time and she fainted.
And he stopped, and he stopped the whole rally and waited like an hour till she was okay.
Media has never reported any of this stuff.
The caring, the compassion.
And it was like I watched the words being twisted.
I watched, unfortunately, preachers do some really bad things.
Tell him.
So he was so proud.
He would go out in the very beginning.
Remember, he brought his Bible out.
And I was there.
Guys, I was there when they did the interviews.
I was there.
And when they go, oh, he doesn't believe in redemption and stuff.
That is so not true.
They twisted that whole thing.
What he was basically saying was, I wouldn't take, he doesn't drink.
He's never, he doesn't drink.
And I mean, he was saying, I wouldn't take communion without asking forgiveness.
I know that this is a holy sacrament of God.
But every single time he said it, so finally, I will say this.
I went to him and I said, listen, you've got to make a decision.
You're either going to be public with your faith or you're going to be private with it.
I said, and if you're going to be public because you are no longer the businessman, you are no longer, this has been good, the man, you are now in a completely different world.
And I said, I don't understand this world of politics, but I know this is a whole different level.
And all I knew is the spirit realm.
I said, the spirit realm, and naturally.
And I said, because everything you say and everything you do, they're taking it and they're twisting it.
And I personally watched, when he came out with 2 Corinthians, let me say, he didn't say that.
Well, he said it.
But let me give you the real story.
We flew up on the plane with him, with Jared, with Ivanka, everyone.
So we're with our dear friends, and Jerry and Becky, amazing people, become great friends.
And I go, like I always do, and I was praying over the president.
Well, just before he gets ready to go on, before that, there's about, you know, I think, well, I'll stand here until he goes up.
John has gone to sit with the family with Jerry, Becky, Jared, Ivanka, etc.
So I pray over him.
And this was when Corey was the manager.
And so Corey's there with him.
And I walk and I go sit with the family.
Well, I knew that there was this preacher the next day or so that was coming out for Senator Cruz.
But he had been playing Trump's side.
And he'd been courting Trump.
Well, I'm not going to go to the president because I believe bring the solution, then tell a person the problem.
You know, that I'm there to be a solver, not a problem.
I'm not like, oh, this and this about every person.
They're dealing with major stuff.
So right before he gets ready to walk up, a preacher tells him, say this, 2 Corinthians, or the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
So he says exactly what the preacher tells him to say.
I'm sorry, say 2 Corinthians, not 2.
He'd say 2 Corinthians.
So the media goes crazy.
Oh, he doesn't know the Bible.
It was a, well, yeah, the kids laughed.
But here's, I'm just going to be honest.
Yes, tell the people.
Because the reality is everybody wants to justify and say, well, they use that in Europe, which is true.
So he gets off the stage, and Corey says, it's 2 Corinthians.
He looks at me.
I said, it's 2 Corinthians.
He goes, well, that's not what he said to me.
And he points to him.
And I went, because I knew the truth.
But I didn't want him to know that this person, okay, guys, let's be real.
Don't act like everybody in the body of Christ is never used because good people can be used by bad people.
It was a setup.
It was a setup.
And every demon in hell is after Trump.
I mean, and it's a small example, and everybody's going to go, but it's not a small example because everybody wanted to then make that as an example.
And I said, are you kidding me?
And maybe I shouldn't have told this story, but I did.
I'm glad you did.
I've heard the story, the truth, but I never told it because I didn't know for sure it was the truth.
I thought you were there.
So we just need to continue to lift up our nation, to lift up the church, that the church would be unified, that we would not be deceived by the enemy.
We would come together on issues.
And if we have an issue, we deal with it as a church the way that Christ told us to through his word.
When he said the greatest thing, line I think you've ever used.
In America, we don't worship government.
We worship God.
That's my favorite.
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