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The New World Order With Dr. Robert Malone
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Welcome to making sense of the madness We've got a great show lined up for you today.
My guest really needs no introduction.
It is Dr. Robert Malone.
We are going to take a look at the post-COVID 1984 era and his new book, which has a really great title, Psywar Enforcing the New World Order.
you're not gonna want to miss it. Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
And we are back.
We are now joined by Dr.
Robert Malone. Thank you so much for being with us, sir.
I mean, you've been around now.
You've made waves over the last four or five years.
You've popularized the term mass formation psychosis.
I have followed your work quite intricately over the past several years.
For those that don't know who you are, Why don't you give them a summation of how you kind of came into this field of questioning the norms of society, both medically, socially, politically, etc., and what has turned you into an author after the fact?
Well, that's a complicated question.
My history is kind of not particularly interesting for most people.
I'm just a scientist and a physician that happened to make some discoveries when he was about 28, that at the time were considered to be unlikely to yield anything.
That had to do with the manufacturing at scale, purification, structure, and delivery of RNA and messenger RNA for various indications.
I was working in a gene therapy lab at the Salk Institute.
And my realization that messenger RNA could be used as a way to vaccinate people in the methods that I developed did not include pseudouridine, which makes the molecule last for a very long time in your body.
So the original idea was that This molecule could be administered, delivered to your cells, and you would express the protein, produce the protein in your own cells for a very short period of time, the protein antigen for a vaccine, and then it would go away.
And so if there were any adverse events, you could Not re-administer it.
It's kind of been twisted with the onset and use of the modifications pseudouridine that Carrico and Weissmann patented and for which they were given the Nobel Prize.
And this introduces a lot of things to the system that are associated with problems.
In terms of my trajectory here, I was told when I left the Salk Institute by my mentor that I would never get an NIH grant if I left.
And I would be basically locked out of science and practicing my art.
And so I kind of went underground and became an academic and then became a consultant.
And emerged more publicly in the area of biodefense after the anthrax attacks.
I was living in Rockville at the time.
And I transitioned from being an academic to really focusing on making products and getting them approved.
So that's regulatory affairs, FDA stuff, clinical trials, research, bioethics, product management, Contract management and development and became an expert in those kinds of things, which requires in this space to work closely with the government, particularly in the Department of Defense and the biodefense, what we now call the biodefense industrial complex.
So I've been at the tip of the spear, but quietly, beneath the scenes, behind the scenes.
There's a saying in D.C., if you don't want them to shoot you, then you should keep your head down.
And so that's kind of been a mantra.
I've operated quietly, but effectively, and developed a reputation for doing that.
As a consultant and otherwise.
And then along came, I think it's my fifth or sixth major outbreak that I was involved in, starting with AIDS as a young scientist.
And suddenly things didn't make sense.
A book that Jill and I put out at the beginning of 2020 on how to prepare and protect yourself from the novel coronavirus was censored and deplatformed by Amazon in, I think, March 2020.
With the explanation that we had violated community standards, nobody in Amazon seemed to be able to give us a straight answer as to what happened.
But when we track that down, it appears to be consequent to some meetings that Amazon had with the White House at the time.
That was the Trump White House. And then things went along.
I was very focused on working with DOD and drug repurposing, notably with famatidine, also ivermectin, and some other compounds.
And then the issue of the mRNA vaccine technology emerged, and people really had a lot of questions as to what that was all about.
And I started getting asked questions.
One of my first podcasts related to whether or not these vaccines were at risk for antibody-dependent enhancement, which, of course, they were.
And the FDA acknowledged that case.
So I found myself kind of explaining things to people because they didn't understand the acronym mRNA.
They didn't understand what an mRNA vaccine was.
They didn't understand that this was fundamentally a gene therapy technology.
And I was just kind of matter-of-factly saying, this is the way things are, this is what this means, and started getting attacked and vilified and gaslit and all those wonderful things that they do to us these days.
It's kind of become the norm.
The fact checkers that don't have a high school education hardly, but are suddenly an expert on the nuances of molecular virology and immunology, et cetera, et cetera.
I mean, the stuff that went in was amazing in retrospect.
And then I was on this Dark Horse podcast with Steve Kirsch and Brett Weinstein, in which we talked about the Japanese Regulatory Affairs filing, the common technical document by Pfizer, and all of the fraud that basically went in it, and how many lies we were being told about the nature of these products.
And then things kind of exploded after that.
So let's talk mRNA.
Because as soon as I started looking into the technology shortly after the COVID-1984 nightmare kicks off and the only solution that seems to be put out by establishment media and politicians are these ideas of not only one shot, but if you were really paying attention and listening, even in April of 2020, Bill Gates and others were telling you these are going to be multiple shots.
And when I look into mRNA, I find the partnership of that technology via DARPA, you mentioned the Defense Department earlier, and Moderna.
And this being a part of the ADEPT and PROTECT program.
And I believe it was an initial funding of something like $13 million.
One page, a little presser they put out still on their website to this day.
Part of the Adept Protect program, but at the very bottom it tells you that, you know, this could be a platform, and they were referring it to as a gene therapy, as you said, not a vaccine at the time, for either a zoonotic, in other words, biological virus, or a bioweapon in particular.
So, When you have the Defense Department involved in anything, isn't that a red flag for compartmentalization and the ability to kind of outright lie about what's going on via that program, via the classification system?
Okay, starting at the back side.
Security classification and confidentiality around that is absolutely central to the whole concept of preparedness and defense, not just biodefense.
And one of the key aspects of that that, I mean, there's a lot of nuance here that people miss.
They just kind of ski it over the surface.
The logic is that if the bad guys, let's just call them bad guys, enemies, non-state actors, state actors, believe that there is an effective countermeasure, whether or not there actually is one.
This is akin to Star Wars.
Remember the Star Wars program under Ronald Reagan?
Talk about it all the time. Strategic Defense Initiative Program.
Continue. Yeah, okay.
So part of the logic behind Star Wars and behind these kinds of initiatives is that if our opponents believe that we have an effective countermeasure, then they're less likely to develop the technology for which we believe we need a countermeasure.
Of course, this leads to a sort of mutually assured destruction.
One example of that is what's happening right now in robotics and artificial intelligence, where it's believed that we have to do things that cross moral boundaries because our ostensible opponents, you know, CCP and Russia is usually the cutouts for that, are doing it anyhow, and so therefore we have to do it.
So again, it's kind of like mad.
The case in biodefense is that if there is the belief on the part of our opponents, whether they're non-state or state, that we have an effective rapid response capability, then they become much less likely to seek to use that particular form of aggression in warfare.
It's partially necessary to, under this thesis, okay, I'm not defending it, I'm just saying this is the logic that they use, that it's necessary to classify because we don't really want the opponent to understand what we actually do or don't have.
So that's the principal logic behind the obfuscation and use of Propaganda and all these other technologies to craft a narrative and support a projected power structure that may or may not be real.
The other is, of course, that if the logic like happens with advanced physics, Eric Weinstein did a great podcast the other day on this, that If there are aspects in science which, if they're made known, can enable third parties, hostile third parties, to exploit those to develop technologies that we want to develop and use against them.
And so we don't want them to have a chance to get a leg up on the thing.
This also relates to the UAP programs and reverse engineering, that tech, etc.
So there's a whole lot of kind of a cloud of logic around this that's all arguable, all debatable, and all spins up eventually into some form of mutually assured destruction.
We have to do it because they're doing it, because we're doing it.
It kind of gets back to the famous statement We know they're lying.
They know they're lying. We know that they know that they're lying.
We know that they know that we know that they're lying, and yet still they lie.
That's kind of the cloud surrounding this dark, spooky space.
And by the way, yes, of course, I have had interactions with CIA and other DIA and other intelligence people.
You can't be in the biodefense space and not have frequent interactions with these people.
Doesn't mean that I'm CIA. The highest classification I ever received was secret.
And that's inactive right now because I haven't worked for the DOD for a number of years.
So the RNA was tech, was rescued by DARPA, as you say, out of the trash can.
Because the patents had all expired, the patents that all have my name on them that were filed in the late 1990s.
I'm sorry, late 1980s and early 1990s.
Those have all expired.
And the total compensation, just to answer that question that I ever received for those, was one Susan B. Anthony dollar.
Yeah. Plus my salary as a technician at Vical at the time, which as I recall was about $18,000 or $19,000 a year.
So, no, I did not get rich off of mRNA.
The patents expired largely because of the incompetence of the company that I'd worked with and the incompetence of Merck Vaccines, which took the license to it.
And they believed that mRNA had no future.
It couldn't be manufactured.
And they focused just on the DNA aspect of this.
And so the patents languish.
But that's interesting because Merck will be part of the strategic mRNA collaboration with DARPA, BARDA, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the Institute, Pasteur.
And it's Merck that deploys the veterinary vaccine into swine, the custom mRNA vaccine that they manufacture for swine.
That's a Merck product. And by the way, it doesn't use pseudouradine.
But that's a tangent.
So what happened was this firm, Vical, and its partner, Merck, invested literally billions of dollars.
In the case of Vical, two or three billion dollars of investor capital.
And there was no product forthcoming.
They parked the mRNA, but they aggressively attacked any company that would seek to develop the mRNA application or technology with their patent portfolio.
So this was a case of a pocket veto.
And then eventually the tech expired, the patents expired.
Then DARPA picked it up, capitalized it.
Remember, DARPA's mission is that they are not allowed by statute, by charter, to take on projects that have a high probability of success.
They define themselves as only capitalizing and driving projects that are extremely risky, but potentially, from their frame of reference, very high reward or return on investment.
And so mRNA was considered to be really speculative, highly unlikely.
The Moderna project initially focused on cancer, as you say, and the initial Carrico and Weissmann, the only Carrico and Weissmann patent that I'm aware of originally, says nothing about vaccines.
It's all about cancer indications.
So they got the Nobel for the vaccines, but they didn't actually discover or invent anything related to the vaccine specifically.
So that's how that played out.
There was also capital pushed into a German company.
And Kitty Carrico went to work as vice president for that German company.
In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of DARPA, did invest also in this.
And a lot of this kind of got threaded, in the case of Moderna, through MIT and Bob Langer, who's a high-profile academic drug delivery specialist, a very rich man.
Who's a full professor at MIT. So that's kind of how this went down.
And it percolated along.
I didn't expect anything to come of it because the core problem still was the manufacturing.
There was a company that I had worked with early on in the mRNA story that, based in Fargo, North Dakota, that did solve some of the mRNA manufacturing problems.
But didn't resolve the core issues like the DNA contamination.
And they ended up getting sold for a few billion dollars in the midst of all this.
So a lot of people made a lot of money.
Bob Langer got even more rich.
Carrico and Weissman got the Nobel.
There is still a huge dust-up ongoing over the patent rights here because Moderna sued Pfizer.
Pfizer counter-served Moderna.
The lawyers got involved.
They found these patents, which had been ignored prior to that.
Carrico and Weissman hadn't even cited these patents at UPenn.
And now it's all a big patent bloodbath with them all fighting over the scraps to see who gets to take money from whom.
It's all kind of disgusting.
But as this developed, obviously, there was a push by the U.S. government, largely, and in particular by the Vaccine Research Center.
Vaccine Research Center at NIH under NIAID, under Tony Fauci, Was tasked originally with developing an AIDS vaccine, they failed at that.
Developing a West Nile vaccine, they failed at that.
Developing a Zika vaccine, they failed at that.
I don't think they've had a single vaccine that was successful.
They've very much been invested in recombinant adenovirus technology, which is the other gene therapy-based vaccine for COVID that was deployed.
By J&J and AstraZeneca in the UK. And so, Vaccine Research Center had always been very focused on adenovirus vectored, but they suddenly flipped over to the mRNA platform and they took solutions in terms of the structure Directly from work that had been done by others with other coronaviruses, including MERS and SARS-1.
And this involved the expression of the notorious spike protein.
And so, very early on, I had spoken out that spike protein was a toxin and it shouldn't be produced in its biologically active form and used in humans.
Of course, I was fact-checked and the whole nine yards about that, but in fact, that's now true and it's widely accepted that it is a toxin.
It meets all the criteria for a toxin.
And causing your body to make high levels of toxin for an extended period of time in a wide variety of cells is, I don't know how else to say it, just dumb as a rock.
Stupid. Or malicious, dare you say it.
Yeah, well, yeah, so that's the key point.
It's really hard to tell the difference.
We've got to take a quick break.
It's hard to tell the difference between malicious intent and incompetence.
They're almost indistinguishable.
Well, again, they always like to try to pull that incompetence card because there's no criminal accountability, or if there is, it is completely and totally marginalized and scapegoated to individuals.
If there's malicious intent, well, then you have a quote-unquote conspiracy.
We're going to take that break.
We're going to come back. We've got Dr.
Robert Malone with us.
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Now, I want to talk about the title of this book, Psywar, Enforcing the quote-unquote New World Order.
By the way, that's a conspiracy theory according to Wikipedia.
There is no such thing as the New World Order despite the fact that there is such a thing.
So that's kind of where I was going with this.
I made a documentary film almost 15 years ago, released at 14 +, called Invisible Empire, A New World Order Defined, in which I went through the historical context of that terminology dating back to even 1909 and the book New World Order by Samuel Zane Batten.
It's historical references based in globalism and many, many Political, business, entertainment figures using that term.
George Bush. Yeah. Former director of the CIA used the term.
I've got hundreds of people using the term.
In fact, if you watch that film, the end credits has another three dozen, including Eric Schmidt, formerly of Google, going, you know, they call it the new world order.
But again, we're not allowed to use that terminology.
Right. I thought it was a goof when I was a kid.
You know, you'd see that one speech by George Bush again and again and again.
Well, I did my own research.
I know you're not supposed to do that.
It was before you were doing your own research.
It was totally and completely demonized.
Bush went on a New World Order tour.
It was not just one speech.
I literally had him for 20 minutes talking about it.
He gave out New World Order inscribed glocks.
To Dick Cheney and Colin Powell and Schwarzkopf after the Gulf War.
If people don't, you can look, you can see them.
They're in graves. There's New World Order on them.
Sir, what is the New World Order in terms of your book?
And really, when did you start taking that terminology seriously?
So that's a good question.
And kind of in parallel, so New World Order as terminology and the rise of transnationalism is something that I was exposed to as an undergraduate student in political science.
Which, you know, case can be made, I should have been a political scientist instead of being a physician.
But be that as it may, we all make our choices.
So, the transnational transformation and the rise of the New World Order is something I was exposed to as a young person in the early 1980s, taking core political science coursework.
In terms of more recently, early on, I've been very active in social media all the way through this outbreak, and Back when I was on LinkedIn or before I was banned on Twitter, I'm now back on, of course, but since Elon came on.
I did write about this and discuss what I remembered of the thesis and information, the political science of the transnational future that was envisioned for us.
And the rise of transnational corporations and what was behind that.
So I was kind of already in that narrative, but very much in denial about the Great Reset.
I thought that The Great Reset was truly wackadoodle, crazy talk.
And then I got directed to Klaus Schwab and Thierry's book.
And by the way, I just want to say this.
Even as a guy that had done that documentary and been talking about this stuff for two plus decades, when I heard the term The Great Reset, I was like, this act can't be real.
They wouldn't go out there and just have these forums.
But there they were. They were having Zoom meetings with Henry Kissinger.
And they were openly talking about this great reset.
You know, the World Economic Forum for a long time has kind of been the mouthpiece for this globalism.
But at the same time, the media has never personified these ideas in the manner that they did that was just full throttle acceleration during the COVID-1984 nightmare.
Yeah, and remember that it's the current King of England who first announced the Great Reset.
It wasn't Klaus Schwab. So that plays into all the theories about the British aristocracy and their role in this.
But you can't deny that there was, let's say, collusion.
I think conspiracy is another word that gets at the same thing, to create a new political and economic structure.
And you can't deny that during the COVID crisis, there was the greatest upward transfer of wealth in modern history.
Those are facts.
So we, and of course, remember that Klaus Schwab's mentor was Henry Kissinger.
And that the WEF was essentially created by the CIA. So for me, I spoke out about this fairly early, not as early as many.
But once I became aware of it and did the dive and read the book and saw how grossly naive it was, I mean, a lot of this is really fuzzy thinking.
Just like is coming out of the United Nations now with their Pact for the Future and Agenda 2030, where the Director General says, we have all the best plans.
Well, those best plans included ESG and DEI and a number of other policies that are clearly not working and are being rejected, and even BlackRock is now abandoning them.
Not the least of which is stakeholder capitalism.
Klaus Schwab's major egg.
AKA outward fascism.
Every time I hear the term stakeholder capitalism, I'm just like, well, that's fascism.
It's this idea that they tell you that you're going to have some place at the table.
You don't have any place at the table.
It was fairly early on that I started talking about this, and also in an essay, and it's in our first book, Lies My Government Told Me, I I talk about the formal definition of fascism.
Of course, the word fascism has been weaponized by the left to apply to the right, but in fact, fascism originates typically in socialism, in left policies, and in the emergence that happens for some reason again and again and again of collusion and confluence of interests between corporatists and socialists.
And that is absolutely what stakeholder capitalism is.
Stakeholder capitalism really flows through Klaus Schwab up from Germany, and particularly Eastern Germany, and the logic of the German Unionist movement And its cooperative relationship with the large corporations in Germany.
So that's how I trace it.
But I completely concur.
It meets the formal definition of fascism.
And I put out a substack about this about four or five days ago, where I again emphasized this relationship, this kind of unholy alliance that exists between corporatism and socialism.
And its outgrowth, which is totalitarian fascism, and it seems to happen again and again and again.
So we just never seem to learn from it.
And Jason, I am truly afraid that this isn't hyperbole, that we're about to see the success of this system in the form of Harris and Walz in the next election.
Pardon my cough. So I started talking about these things and about the true nature of fascism and its relationship to socialism and to the stakeholder capitalism logic.
And we go into it and there's a whole chapter on this in the book.
In speaking out about it and I got reprimanded by Steve Bannon telling me that I should stay in my lane and not talk about these things.
But as a former student of political science, I couldn't not do this.
And it was important in my mind to understand what we were all going through to address the question of what structurally was happening here.
Who were the political interests?
And I was almost every single podcast, I would be asked the question, who's the puppet master?
And so if for no other reason, in order to address this during podcasts, I had to formulate my own understanding of what has happened and what are the power structures behind it, which are complex.
They're multifactorial.
I'm sure you have come to a similar conclusion.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
And that's the thing.
They always want to say, who done it, right?
Like, you know, I made my bones in this arena questioning 9-11.
You know, I'm one of the guys that put out Lose Change, which was the first megaviral hit, questioning that.
And every time, well, then who did it?
Oh, you think George Bush did 9-11?
And I say, no, I don't think that.
I think we need a real investigation.
I think that we've been lied to by the power structure.
And when you're looking at this quote-unquote new world order, if you will...
There are a multitude of globalist organizations, now more than ever, acknowledged as NGOs that drive us towards this type of globalism.
Jason, that's the structure.
You've just kind of touched on a key hot button at the tip of the pyramid of the new political structure that's being advanced.
The globalist structure that is being developed and deployed is very much modeled on the European Union structure.
And in the European Union, and I take this from having spent a lot of time with Leaders in European populist movements, the center-right populist movements in Italy, France, Germany, the UK. And because of all the travel that I've had to do and the speeches and protest rallies and everything.
Back and forth to Europe all the time.
I was just in Tokyo. In the European Union model, which is the model for the New World Order, it's being pushed forward.
And remember, the European Union as a structure was largely created as part of American foreign policy by the State Department and our intelligence community.
Well, again, they sold it as a trade organization so that they get their bureaucrats in unelected and build this kind of a structure through treaties and agreements, etc.
Which are internationally binding.
Yes. So the structure that now exists in the European Union is that the nation-states are at the bottom of the pyramid.
Absolutely. And they have largely given up their sovereignty or it's been forcefully extracted from them.
And they elect ostensibly members of Parliament for the European Union.
And I've spoken in Brussels at the European Parliament.
So these elected officials in the European Parliament functionally have little or no power.
They have budgets, they have drivers, they have offices, they have a very nice lifestyle, but they don't really have significant political power.
That's all held by the European Council.
The European Council is appointed, and at the head of the European Council, currently Ursula von Leiden, who was mentored by Angela Merkel, a former East German, who's kind of at the root of a lot of this New World Order structure, She is appointed also by, quote, political leaders from the member states.
So what you end up with is a situation in which, say, the Bundestag in Germany, the parliament, the elected representatives in Germany may come up with some policies and they may have some laws, but those can be readily overruled and rescinded by the European Council.
Or by the Director General, and so functionally they have lost their sovereignty.
In the parallel organization that's being promoted now, what you have is the United Nations, headed up by its Socialist Director General.
Who used to be head of the Socialist International, was head of the Socialist Party in Portugal, arose to power during the revolution against Salazar.
I have many Portuguese friends, and they all agree that the guy was grossly incompetent.
But he managed to continue to work his way up by being a good socialist.
And now he heads the United Nations, which is structurally absolutely committed to socialist agenda and socialist structures and belief systems.
So what's happened is the UN has partnered with, wait for it, da-da-da-da, rimshot, World Economic Forum.
So the World Economic Forum and the United Nations are in absolute partnership.
It's unclear what funds are being transferred there, but it appears that there's significant capital flowing from the WEF to the UN. And remember, the WEF is functionally a trade union of the thousand largest corporations in the world.
The WEF represents the interests of the large transnationals.
These are basically separate appendages of the same Leviathan that are driving us towards this globalist agenda.
We've got to take a break.
The book is Psywar Enforcing the New World Order.
We will be back with more Making Sense of the Madness and Dr.
Robert Malone after this.
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Now, Earlier, you mentioned the threat of the Harris-Walls administration, and I share your concern there.
I think the last four years has been one of the most, probably the most egregious time period.
To try to show us an executive that any thinking person knows is not running the country whatsoever.
I think we've had varying degrees of puppets.
I often talk about that second Bush administration.
I don't think that George W. was running much.
But Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, go down the line.
Every single one of those guys, whether they were Vipers or not, they were extremely capable.
Kamala Harris isn't capable.
I would argue in this administration, the Jack Kirby's of the world, the Anthony Blinkens, yeah, they're capable.
But a lot of the other things, they're window dressing.
We don't know who's really running that executive, but we do know that they're malleable puppets.
And this would be an extension of that puppetry.
At the same time, I don't think that the Trump administration was perfect.
I think that we have to give legitimate criticisms to that.
You mentioned earlier that Amazon...
I had censored your book after discussions with the Trump administration.
I was one of those guys watching every press conference.
Living in New York, I was watching the Cuomo ones.
I was watching the Trump ones.
I remember early on when Trump's like, we're partnering with the good people at Google.
And I'm like, well, that's a bad thing.
That's not a great idea.
Yeah, exactly.
And I start seeing these types of censorship.
Obviously, I think Operation Warp Speed is a huge mistake for a lot of the same reasons that I mentioned earlier.
Once you bring in the military, and this thing was a military operation, you have classification systems, you have compartmentalization.
Very few people know the spectrum of the entire operation.
So what are your thoughts in retrospect on some of the mistakes, Warp Speed maybe even in particular, of the Trump
administration?
And his ability to possibly rectify them if he comes in?
Because one of the things that I think is a detriment to Trump is the fact he can almost never admit he's done
something wrong.
He still talks about the shots being the best thing since breakfast, how they saved all these lives.
I don't believe any of that.
On a spectrum outside of COVID-1984, he still talks about Assad gassing his own people in Syria.
I've read the OPCW documents.
Doesn't seem like there was a gas attack in Duma to me.
What does Trump have to do to kind of correct those errors?
As you say, he is kind of psychologically and physiologically unlikely to ever acknowledge his own mistakes.
And maybe that's a strength in the current political environment.
Where everything is weaponized and subjected to lawfare, etc.
So it is what it is.
It is who he is.
And when I endorsed Trump, which was before Bobby did, I made a clear statement to the effect that, on balance, he was certainly much better than the alternative.
And that there's a number of things about him that are great strengths.
In terms of OWS, I think the kindest thing we could say is he got rolled.
And he got rolled in part by the two key players that were the parents, let's say, the origins of Operation Warp Speed.
And it's important to go back to those roots.
The two players are Peter Marks, And Bob Kadlec.
Who are Peter Marks and Bob Kadlec?
Peter Marks is a fairly young physician who has been very rapidly elevated through the corridors of power.
He's now a member of the National Academy of Science, which isn't, by the way, governmental.
And he was rapidly promoted in the FDA Largely on his advocacy for deregulation.
Now, what Republican doesn't like deregulation, including Donald Trump?
And so Peter Marks advocated that the FDA was imposing an undue burden on the pharmaceutical industry through its Byzantine rules and regulations, which had been developed over decades in order to ensure that all of us only receive safe and effective products.
And certainly a case can be made that the Byzantine nature of FDA and FDA decision-making had become A major obstacle to Americans getting access to breakthrough drugs and biologics.
So Peter Marks had this, his whole career is built on the thesis that the FDA is flawed, it is over-regulating the pharmaceutical industry, and that needs to be cut back and streamlined.
So when this opportunity came up, the crisis, remember the statement, never let a good crisis go to waste, this is a great opportunity for Peter Marks to further accelerate his agenda of deregulating the pharmaceutical industry.
In parallel, Bob Kadlec, if you Google him, I don't know how, I shouldn't say Google because you're going to drop into Wikipedia and you're just going to get propaganda, but Kadlec Was tied as a tick with Cheney, with emergent biosystems, with the original anthrax vaccine.
He is at the center of the whole bioindustrial complex and has been ever since it basically matured under Bush 1.
And so...
What you had was, and by the way, he's not CIA. I used to think he's CIA. He was actually DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency.
But he acts very much like an intelligence officer, which, by the way, so does Tony Fauci.
You just watch his capability of lying in the face of any questioning, etc.
Just his classic intelligence in terms of how he operates.
I don't know if he was trained or What his formal relationship is.
So Cadillac comes from that world.
He's at the center of that world.
He has moved in and out of the private sector and the government sector.
And it was Cadillac together with Marx that came together.
Cadillac at the time was serving as the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.
So that's two down from the President.
And the two of them came together to Mr.
Trump, who at the time was advocating, among other things, hydroxychloroquine.
And Peter Navarro had been tasked with sourcing hydroxychloroquine for the country, which he succeeded in doing.
Amazingly, as an economist, I'm still kind of gobsmacked by what Peter got done.
And look what they did to Peter Navarro.
I know, but I consider him a friend.
No, I'm just saying, this is a guy that ended up going to jail for doing his job.
I mean, that should show you everything you need to know.
And for refusing to rat out his boss.
Well, it wouldn't be rat out. I mean, they literally want you to lie and manipulate the system in order to criminally go against somebody.
They went after the guy for doing his job.
Yeah. Yeah, so same with Steve.
Same crime, thought crime, for not complying with their baked committee inquiry.
But in any case, that's how OWS came to pass, was you had these two fairly significant people in the Trump administration And behind the scenes, there was Janet Woodcock also advocating for this and disparaging hydroxychloroquine and presumably ivermectin and representing the interests of Merck and the pharmaceutical industry.
And they're all coming to Azar, who is basically a former pharmaceutical industry lobbyist lawyer, Secretary of HHS, who is a very receptive audience.
And they basically came up through the administration and said, hey, we have a solution to solve your pain.
We're going to use this new tech that we've kind of wanted to jam through the system anyhow, because it has all these advantages strategically that we believe is the case.
And so what's not to like?
You can be a hero, Mr.
Trump. You need to do this.
And the way that they play the political leaders on things like this, the folks down below, is they basically say, you can follow our advice or you will have to deal with the consequences of the masses of deaths that will be consequent to your failure to make the right decision.
And so you got a guy like Trump, who's a real estate developer, who doesn't know right from wrong and up from down in terms of pharmaceutical industry, and who absolutely buys into the idea less regulations is good.
And then also on top of this, the cherry on the top It was the delegation to Jared Kushner with his buddies, the great expert in public health, Jared Kushner, to set the policy on lockdowns and related issues, flattening the curve, and the notorious shutting down the churches but leaving open the strip joints.
You have this kind of confluence Of senior level administrators all converging on the Oval Office saying that we need to do this.
And then you have the nattering nabobs of negativism, folks like Peter Navarro and Scott Atlas.
And on top of this, kind of overseeing this whole structure, you have this cabal of insiders.
Including Tony Fauci and Deborah Birx, notoriously, who act essentially in ways that are entirely consistent with the Irving Janus analysis called Victims of Groupthink.
They form an insider cabal.
They all agree on what the solutions are.
They're going to jam this all through the Vaccine Research Center at NIH NIAD. And so that means that NIAD is going to get all kinds of royalty revenue from this.
And isn't that the big issue?
That they already came up with the solution to the problem and there were no other solutions?
Because they are the geniuses.
They are... The Illuminati.
They are the ones that truly know the truth.
And the likes of me or you are irrelevant.
We're just chattering classes off to the fringes.
Well, we're the serfs. We don't really know what's going on.
We're the serfs. We don't get a say.
You know, they know best.
We're not even children they care about.
Forget about redheaded stepchildren.
We're not even in the orphanage.
We got to take one final break.
The book is Psywar Enforcing the New World Order.
Fascinating conversation with Dr.
Robert Malone, and we're going to wrap that up after this.
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Robert, unfortunately, we only have a few minutes left in the segment.
I could talk to you four hours later.
Yeah, we're having fun. I've been doing this a long time.
I've been looking forward to actually talking to you for a long time.
And then when I saw the title of the new book, I knew that we would have a lot to talk about.
We got about two and a half minutes left in the broadcast.
Where do you think the country and the world goes from here?
We're about a month out from this election.
We've had two assassination attempts on the current frontrunner, Donald Trump.
I expect a third either before or after the election.
You've kind of iterated out there that you think they are going to try to install Harrison Walls, I believe that also to be the case.
So what do you see happening in the next several months?
I mean, are we able to restore this constitutional republic, get past November into January and maybe head on the right track?
Or are we ultimately, I think we're already immersed in this idea of a new world order.
Whether or not we let it take full control, that's what will be decided over the next 18 to 36 months.
You and I are aligned. I think that we're, and I hate to be so grim, when I close out podcasts, people often ask, well, what can we do about all this?
And I think the most important thing, of course, is to remember your humanity and to remember that the forces, the structure that enables this rising totalitarianism is the fragmentation of society and the isolation of individuals.
That goes back to your original comment about mass formation.
That's the key condition that enables mass formation.
So build community and prepare to tunnel through into the future, no matter what comes at us, because there is no refuge.
These policies have been implemented globally throughout the West.
There's no place to go. You can talk about El Salvador, Or you can talk about whatever your favorite refuge is.
Romania is an option.
But because they resisted a lot of what the European Union tried to implement during the COVID crisis.
But still, it's a tough call.
And I concur that the globalist agenda, which is really the socialist totalitarian fascism with central planning, It does have a significant momentum, and I'm gobsmacked that the daughter of a card-carrying Marxist professor It's balancing on the edge of a knife as to whether or not she's going to be our next president.
Somebody who can't seem to string together three sentences.
And somebody who literally got no votes to become the Democratic nominee for this race.
In terms of the book coming out, I'd hoped that it would come out a little earlier in the election cycle, but it is what it is.
I'm amazed at how current events are validating everything that we put into that.
We've been writing on this for over two years.
And it's as if the world is conspiring to just validate a book.
That's a very egocentric way to look at it.
did your own research and you went down a historical timeline that is moving at the
pace of a locomotive, unfortunately, and not. Yeah, and with the momentum of a locomotive. So,
you know, they did succeed in getting their pact for the future rammed through the United Nations.
The sum of the future just happened. No one's talking about it. Dr. Malone, you got to come
back. You got to do four hours with me. Folks, unfortunately, we have run out of time. Again,
the book is Cywar Enforcing the New World Order. You know the drill over here. It is not about left
or right. It is always about right and wrong. I absolutely love you guys and we will see you on
the flip side. And!
And that is gonna do it, folks.
You know the drill. It is not about left or right to this guy.
It is always about right and wrong.
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