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Has Trump Been Vindicated With Dinesh D'Souza
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Welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to what is going to be a banger of a show.
It is Documentary Day, and our first guest, Dinesh D'Souza, is not only an author, but a documentarian.
The latest book-slash-documentary combo is Vindicating Trump.
We're going to go well beyond that, I can guarantee it.
And then we also have Joshua Maciello talking about the man you don't know.
You're not going to want to miss it.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
And we are now joined by Dinesh D'Souza.
The latest book is Vindicating Trump.
And that brings me to the civil cases because right now we are in the appellate process of some of those big rulings against Trump to the tune of almost a billion dollars.
It does seem like they are going to be thrown out as they should be.
What are your thoughts on this?
Are we going to see more of it?
We know that we have the sentencing, for instance, in the Criminal New York case of the 34 felonies coming up after the election, supposedly.
There are a lot of question marks there.
When we're talking about these court cases, where will they end up?
Well, let's start with the objective of the court cases.
I think the objective was to produce economic and criminal ruination for Trump, and really to put such a millstone around his neck that he wouldn't be a viable candidate.
So that strategy has failed.
Even though they were able to get some criminal convictions in the Alvin Bragg case in New York, We're good to go.
Now, that doesn't mean the cases disappear or go away after the election.
So I think it's very important that there be firm legal repudiations at the higher court level, because sort of throwing this out is going to send a message to Letitia James, listen, you know, don't be so reckless the next time.
We understand you've got this political hit, but nevertheless, this is an abuse of the law.
And we, the appellate court, are taking note of it.
And that could actually hurt you, Letitia James, in future appeals, because we see you as playing fast and loose, if you will, with the law.
I think the Supreme Court's decision in the immunity case had the same kind of effect.
It was a bit of a slam dunk on Judge Tanya Chutkin in New York.
And it was, I'm sorry, not in New York, but in Washington, D.C. And kind of a way of telling her, listen, you need to separate.
If Trump did any private actions to go overturn the election, you can look at those.
But his official actions are going to be immune.
So all of this, I think, is a way it's really shown that Trump's legal rope-a-dope has worked pretty well.
Who would have thought that he could sort of beat all these raps or at least beat him temporarily?
And he's been pretty successful so far in doing that. So then what do you feel about the sentencing?
What is going to happen there?
I think the judge was really eager to sentence him because you have to look at it this way.
Even though the sentencing would have backfired on Judge Juan Merchant, it would have increased Judge Merchant's personal popularity in the little bubble that he lives in.
All his leftist colleagues would You're amazing.
You're the one guy that's locked him up and so on.
But I think the judge panicked.
I think he panicked at the end because he realized, first of all, this is a very serious matter.
He would be stepping into the middle of an election at the very final lap.
And I think he also thought, look, if I fail, let's just say Trump wins, they're going to come after me.
And, you know, things like interfering with an election, trying to rig an election, those are RICO felonies.
So it's quite possible he could end up in handcuffs.
So I think once he really began to think about this, he realized it's prudent to put this off till after the election.
Let's put it this way. I think if Trump wins, then all of this will go away.
And if Trump loses, Well, some of the energy will go out of the cases because they will have achieved, you know, in a sense Trump won't be the threat that the left is facing anymore.
But I think just out of sheer venom and vendetta, they will try to get him on something.
So then obviously you think there's going to be a difference on what the sentence may or may not be.
Barring the election.
So you think Trump gets in, he's going to be sworn in in January.
They wouldn't dare to try to put him in Rikers for two years.
However, he does get in, or he doesn't get in.
Do they use their political power to finally put Hitler in prison for 18 months or something like that?
Or maybe even a little bit longer because of the failure of We're good to go.
And frankly, I think what could have been done with the Democratic Party had RFK Jr.
been able to run on that platform.
That was the greatest fear, not just him possibly getting in as the executive, but him morphing the party kind of in the same way that Trump did, more towards the people and the things they actually want in a political candidate.
You're making an important point, which is that the left fear is not just Trump, but sort of Trumpism.
They fear strong leadership of any kind of MAGA movement.
And this means that the same venom that is directed against Trump What the Democrats are really hoping for is a return to the days of Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, the kind of invertebrate Republican that they know how to manage and they know how to handle.
The Republican Party has sort of slipped out of their control under Trump, and this is part of their desperation to try to tamp it down.
It's not that they don't want opposition.
They just want the kind of weak opposition that every time they knock a Republican flat on his back, he stands up and grins and actually applauds his own defeat.
Well, to that point, I think that on one side you have a party that's captured 99 plus percent in the Democrats.
And look, you still look at the mainline Republicans, 70 maybe plus percent are amongst them.
But I also think they've moved away from the idea that Dick Cheney is a good endorsement, right?
And that is where it's almost shocking to me.
That here we are after the hope and change of the Barack star Obama, which was supposed to be in direct contradiction to those Cheney-type executives, to that very party that's still pretty much ideologically and culturally headed by that guy.
We're pro-Cheney now.
We want that endorsement on a Harris-Walls ticket and we'll take the endorsement of his daughter as well.
How has that shift, ideologically, culturally, even happened?
Because it has to be understood as who gets to drink out of the drinking hole that is called the D.C. swamp.
Let's remember the Democrats have all the best places at the swamp.
However, Republicans always had a small place as well.
Now, where do Republicans, quote, make money out of government?
The short answer is from the defense industry.
Because Republicans have traditionally been the pro-defense party.
And so when you think about people like Dick Cheney, they went into politics, their idea was, I'll make $150,000 for 25 years, but then I'll get out and become a multi-millionaire because I'll go on the board of Halliburton, All these defense contracts we've been funneling to Boeing and Lockheed and Raytheon will all pay off for me.
So this is the way that Republicans as well get to cash in.
Not as much as Democrats, but they get to cash in all the same.
Now, the problem with Trump is he comes in and he kind of upsets this apple cart.
He's like, I'm going to drain the swamp for everybody.
So then the Republicans too are like, oh, oh, oh.
Well, so this is the point.
The neocons have all prospered financially financially.
By, in a sense, drawing on the trough like the Democrats, but they just draw on a different section of the trough.
And the Democrats have now realized, listen, let's embrace those guys, because after all, we're all drinking out of the same trough.
You're kind of making the point that Thomas Massey recently made in the Statehouse where he was talking about the budget and the ominous bill and how this should be 12 bills and we should be voting on them but that's not how it's going to roll and this is all theater and really the SAVE Act is the thing in there that everybody's worried about but at the end of the day the left is going to get their political objectives of authoritarianism, social control and we're going to get...
Our military-industrial complex.
And the SAVE Act's nowhere to be found in this bill at the end of the day.
It won't even be voted on.
How do we change that system?
How do we have a system where we do have 12 separate bills?
Congress is in the game of making laws again.
And on top of that, a representation of We've seen the political movement now under Trump specifically, right?
And we mentioned RFK Jr.
He's come around, the Maha people, if you will.
Vivek Ramaswamy, somebody who was relatively obscure in the public arena, really did make a splash for people like me saying, hey, if I get in there, I want to cut the administrative state in half on day one.
Let's get rid of half of the IRS, CIA, FBI down the line.
Are those things that can actually take place in this administration you swear him in, in January 15th?
And if so, what does that look like?
I don't know.
I say that because it will be sufficient for me...
To simply interrupt, thwart and block all the really bad things that the Democrats have been doing to the country.
The country to me is heading for a precipice and a Trump election averts the precipice.
Now you're asking, does it go a lot further?
I certainly hope so.
The way that that would have to happen, I think, is twofold.
One is you'd have to bring in a lot of people kind of of the DeSantis, Vivek Ramaswamy type, people who not only understand but are sort of fanatically obsessed with the details of government and also are not averse to what I will call the blowtorch approach.
You've got to go into these places and sort of fumigate them from the top to bottom.
It's not a matter of just swapping out the director of the FBI because they have corrupted the incentive structure going all the way down.
So there needs to be more radical surgery.
Traditionally, it's proved to be quite difficult to do for a reason that is simply this, and that is that government gives benefits to people who fight very hard and deploy enormous lobbying force to protect those benefits.
Meanwhile, the American people who pay for those benefits are very diffuse.
And so it's much more difficult to mobilize them.
And so this problem, I don't think we figured out how to solve yet.
And I'm not sure Trump has solved it yet.
So we're not going to get out of the woods with Trump, but we will make substantial progress.
And a lot of it depends on the key appointments that Trump makes.
Well, I would certainly agree on the appointments.
Now, cover your book.
Is a take on the assassination attempt, the first assassination attempt on Trump.
Now, there were people that had been predicting this for some time.
I always thought it was kind of a last play.
I was still in shock when the first president in my generation got a shot off against him.
I was around, you know, I was two years old when they shot Reagan.
But that's it.
People have to realize the Secret Service essentially had done their job for four plus decades on every president, past president, and quite frankly, the surrounding family members over those decades.
And all of a sudden that's gone. I think there are a ton of questions when it comes to not only the first assassination attempt, but what happened in the second one.
The second one, at least we have the perpetrator.
Haven't heard much about the investigation into really either.
What is your take on this?
Because obviously it has huge historical significance and relevance, political significance and relevance in this moment as we go towards this election.
And just in this past week, The FBI is downplaying it again, saying he might not even have been shot.
And there can be no doubt they shot the man in the ear.
Period. Full stop.
The fact that, you know, they want...
I mean, that's almost a new level that they're like, no, not over here.
That's not real. I mean, it's a truly...
Not to mention the second assassination.
Look, the thing is, I think that these...
These two assassination attempts are not the same as the Kennedy assassination attempt or the Reagan assassination attempt for this key reason, that with Trump, you have got a group of people who have been saying explicitly This guy is like Hitler circa 1933.
He's a mortal danger to the country.
What they're saying in a different way is it would be good for this guy to be assassinated.
They never say that, and they don't put it that way.
Sometimes they do, Dinesh.
Pardon? Sometimes they do.
Sometimes they do. The ground was been cultivated for eight years with regard to Trump.
So in some ways, this is the logical extension of that kind of poisonous rhetoric.
Now, you can't say that by contrast, the Democrats in 1980 were saying the same thing about Reagan.
They weren't. Or that the Republicans were saying the same thing about John F. Kennedy.
They weren't. Well, let me just say this too.
You didn't literally have New Republic magazine covers with an amalgamation of those people and Hitler on top of the rhetoric.
You have mainline publications making that their centerpiece.
It's not just the talking heads, it's the imagery and it's everything that goes with it.
And really the media sphere not only wasn't doing that with Reagan, Or JFK. But the media sphere is completely different, right?
You know, now we're in a 24-hour news cycle from a thousand different talking heads, but at the same time, a very projected range within the mainstream that's focused on that.
There really was only the mainstream when we're talking about the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, etc.
Trump's reaction, I think, to the two assassination attempts has been nothing short of legendary.
And I think the reason I put that photo on the cover of the book, and by the way, a film of the same title, Vindicating Trump, coming to streaming and DVD this coming next week, Here's the point that Trump has vices and people love to point those out.
Oh, you know, he used to be a playboy.
Oh, he's a megalomaniac.
But they never talk about Trump's virtues.
And I think his supreme virtue is the virtue of bravery or courage.
And he has shown that not just in his reaction to the two assassination attempts, but also the kind of tenacious way he's handled these 91 criminal charges.
I mean, any other Republican facing, you know, two criminal charges would have been out of there.
And there's also a kind of broader abnormality, which is if you and I were billionaires and we had this wonderful life waiting for us and we own Mar-a-Lago and we have grandchildren and we knew that a lot of our problems would go away if we just quit the field and went to a private life on an island.
We would be very tempted to do it.
And yet Trump doesn't do it and doesn't even seriously consider doing it.
And that tells you that this is a very unusual man made of a little bit of a different kind of stuff than I would say normal people are.
And I think that is his biggest virtue.
He's totally imperfect.
And I think you're right that people want to focus on the past vices, etc., and behavior.
But at the end of the day, if he wanted to walk away, especially during this election cycle, The lawfare wouldn't have been waged.
The criminal cases would have never come.
That's just a fact.
If he had said, I'm not running, they would have maybe smeared him in the court of public opinion for some time.
I think by this point had he dropped and said, you know in 21, I'm totally done They would have even been More positive towards his economic policy than they've had to be in the mainstream Right because even now you are seeing them come around that's where I want to go You know in the next segment The media coverage of this election cycle and really the world in general has been more than embarrassing over the last several years
The staged interviews have been bad, but at least with Kamala Harris, we're getting some Pushback in the fact that hey, no one voted for you Do you do you understand why people might be upset that like no one voted for you and you got in something?
No, I'm for the American people.
So we're at least getting those base level things and truths about the economy, etc.
I want to ask you how far it will go.
Vindicating Trump is the book.
We'll be back with more Dinesh D'Souza after this.
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Opens nationwide in theaters September 27th And we are back Now, Dinesh, it's been really tough for me to even watch how modern-day politics has morphed.
Even as a society that's now okay with debates where the moderators fact-check you, There's no audience.
They turn off microphones.
They can cut the camera.
Pretty embarrassing.
I mean, the free speech bar just keeps getting lower.
But at the same time, when we see now the media talking to Kamala Harris, although it's clear they're promoting her, they're asking at least the base questions like, nobody voted for you.
You were the border czar, apparently.
Yeah. And things that are baseline nature.
She doesn't handle them well.
So what does that say about where we're moving?
Because, look, I still think there's the very real possibility that woman gets installed after November and sworn in in January.
I agree. I think it's a little frightening that this is a close election, given that we have on the Democratic side a woman who is just simply an embarrassment at all levels.
Intellectually, she is clearly subpar.
Her ability to grasp issues is very poor.
I don't even think she's ever met a syllogism in her life.
She has no sense of logic.
And then she is also clearly putting on an act.
And on top of that, you have the embarrassing spectacle that the media is trying to, you know, it's one thing if they try to cover for you by giving you a softball question.
It's a whole other thing if they ask you a question, and I'm thinking of the 60 Minutes interview You give an absolutely nonsensical response.
And then they go, all right, let's delete her response.
Go find a couple of generic lines from another part of the interview.
Stick them in here to make her look good.
I mean, I guess I'm grateful we live in an era where this kind of thing gets immediately busted.
So all of us can have a great belly laugh over what's going on.
We can see the before and after.
We can see how they made the edit.
60 Minutes has basically shredded its reputation over this.
Dinesh, it didn't shred its reputation when Trump was sitting there with Leslie Stahl and going, they spied on my campaign.
No, no.
We're the adults here, Dinesh.
Well, not to mention the Dan Rather scandal of 20 years ago with Bush.
So, I mean, yes, there is a kind of trail of disgrace that leads up to all this, to be sure.
Look, I think the thing with Trump is that this guy is standing in the way of the project that Obama described in 2008 when he said he's remaking America.
This remaking has really changed the country.
It's a different country than the one I came to as a teenager in the late 70s and early 1980s.
That America, I'm sad to say, is largely gone.
The remaking is not complete.
And Trump is threatening to block it.
And he has the larger-than-life dimension where he could succeed.
And that's why the Democrats are scared of him.
They're not scared of any other Republican, because I think they think that they can manage them.
The other Republicans are kind of like the old sheriff in the Western movies, where the gangsters know that they can pistol whip this guy.
But they can't pistol whip the new stranger who came over the mountain, the Clint Eastwood figure.
And that's Trump. One of the things we haven't discussed is the promise of the mass declassification of documents pertaining to events like JFK, RFK, MLK. 9-11 in particular holds a certain place for me because not only is that modern,
but I've argued for the last almost two decades that our entire foreign and domestic policy is based on the narrative that we were sold on 9-11, from the Patriot Act to To Homeland Security.
I mean, you go down the list.
To the surveillance that takes place in this country.
Now, I don't even know if that's possible.
You can declassify those documents or he can get me declassification.
But if you rip off the band-aid there and you let everybody see what the quote-unquote deep state, administrative state, intel communities have really been up to in that regard and post that regard...
I think you do have an opportunity for a reformation of the system and hopefully a move towards a constitutional republic.
Now, whether that comes along with criminal accountability and the type of criminal accountability you were talking about in kind of the treasonous behavior we've seen against Trump waged via lawfare.
Is that a possibility?
And what are your thoughts on these ideas?
Is this a lot of lip service?
Or are we going to get some of these documents?
And what are the importance down the line of the, you know, kind of 60s to 70s assassination documents to something much more modern and I would say intricately complex like 9-11?
I think that the establishment has done so much to go after Trump that he owes him nothing.
Even Reagan was a part of the establishment in a sense.
And Trump, on the other hand, I think has nothing to lose in going all the way and opening up the whole Pandora's box.
And I would even go back to World War II. And I say this because, you know, I was watching recently, I think it was a A Netflix documentary of original footage from World War II, and they were interviewing an old bomber captain, and this guy was just talking about the fact that he was given his orders, and he says, I look at them, and I was told to bomb this building with 20,000 people in it.
And he said, and I said, who are the 20,000 people?
He's like, Nazi soldiers and so on.
They were like, no, that's actually German women and children sheltering in that building.
And the guy was like, are you joking?
Are we the good guys in this?
What are you telling me to do?
And they were like, do it.
That's your order. And the guy goes, I had to do it.
So this kind of gruesome behavior that's frankly been excluded from the textbooks.
Dresden! We don't hear about it.
That was the good war. Wow.
It was all, you know, the Allies were the great guys.
You know, we made some dirty compromises with Stalin.
We sent all kinds of escaped Russians who were fleeing the Gulag back to their deaths.
That's, by the way, in Solzhenitsyn's Gulag archipelago.
So the point I want to make is I don't think that it is wrong.
I mean, in some ways, the left says, yeah, we got to look at the downside of our own history.
Yeah, we actually do. But we want to do it in a fair-minded way, and I agree.
The Epstein list, let's hear what that is.
Let's open up the Pandora's box and take a good look inside, because I think these institutions have earned our distrust, and we have every right to look and find out what else we have not been told.
You know, and you mentioned World War II, the Dresden bombings, you didn't even bring up Operation Paperclip, and the mass classification in regards to the Nazis that we brought over that helped create our intelligence community, become part of, you know, our Central Intelligence Agency, NASA, etc.
I couldn't agree with you more because that's really when the administrative state gets out of control and you have this executive within an executive.
That's when you get the black sites like Area 51, etc.
You know, the ability to work on propulsion and weapon systems outside of the purview of the president, things that are born classified.
And you eventually get that warning from Dwight D. Eisenhower that, again, was very much a part of that World War II war machine and saw what was happening on the ground.
I would argue we're kind of not only there, but he talked about a scientific elite.
And we probably never heard more about the science than the last four or five years.
That's one of the big issues people like myself and others have with Trump is the fact that when he is wrong about things like Operation Warp Speed, he never admits it.
Do you think that there's any hope that...
And that doesn't necessarily mean that he hasn't rectified it, but I think that's the nod to RFK Jr.
You just heard him talk about the mandates with the soldiers and choice.
But don't you think it would go a long way with his base if he gets in there and he does rectify some of those things and say, look, we did make some mistakes.
The mistakes are over.
We're draining the swamp.
This is how we're doing. I apologize.
You know, I think that that's right.
I do want to point out something that Winston Churchill said about World War II, and this is when he was writing his great history of World War II. He said, look, I'm going to be very harsh on a lot of the leaders who were there at the time, but here's one thing I'm not going to do.
I'm not going to use the benefit of hindsight to attack people for making decisions when they never had this information available to them at the time.
So I think this is a caveat worth keeping in mind.
You know, Trump comes in, the people in the white coats that he honestly had no good reason to distrust right away told him, It's an emergency.
It's a pandemic.
In fact, look at it from Trump's point of view.
He had this roaring economy.
He did not have any incentive to shut it down.
He knew that he was actually jeopardizing his own reelection.
I just saw Kellyanne Conway's husband, George Conway, she goes, he goes, you know, Trump only cares about himself.
Give me one example of when this guy put something else ahead of his own interests.
Well, I'm just giving you one example right now where Trump willingly sort of shut down, killed his own goose at laying the golden eggs, if you will, and made it more difficult for him to be reelected.
But all that being said, there's no question the vaccine was sold under false promises.
There's no question that Fauci was lying when he acted like the social distancing rules were Dinesh,
What would you like to leave the audience with and where can people get the book?
There's a book and a movie.
Both are called Vindicating Trump.
The movie is coming out next week and streaming and DVD.
Go to VindicatingTrump.com.
That's the one stop shop.
The book's available in Amazon, Barnes and Noble, anywhere you can get books.
It makes a case for Trump in a thoughtful way that addresses not just the left, but I would say even wavering Republicans who say things like, well, you know, I don't like the guy but I like his policies." Or, you know, his character falls short, but he did a good job the last time.
Or he needs to shut his mouth.
People who want to kind of new and remade Trump.
And my argument is, listen, you know what?
First of all, that's not going to happen.
But more importantly, in the crisis that the country is facing today, this guy does seem to be the right guy for the moment.
Maybe not for any time of American history, but for our time, this is not only the right guy, but in some ways the only guy.
Well, I'd just say, I think when there are valid criticisms, we have to vocalize them and then have to put the pressure because these are the people that we voted for and we are supposed to be having that discourse and discussion.
But when you're playing into parroted talking points of Oh, I don't like his jokes and mean tweets.
You've got to get over yourself because you're the one being the child.
He's the one that's been politically effective using those tools.
Dinesh D'Souza, thank you so much for joining us.
We're going to take a quick break and we're going to come back with more Making Sense of the Madness after this.
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And we are back!
We are now joined by Joshua Macielo.
He is the man behind The Man You Don't Know, this new documentary film on Trump.
Now, before we get into the documentary, let's get a background on yourself, where you come from, and why you decided to become a producer on this project.
Thank you for having me, Jason.
You know, we formed this studio in 2019.
I came up with the idea when I saw how woke Hollywood was and just things that were being forced down our kids' throats and wanted to do something different.
So I went to a couple of friends of mine, Arthur Sarkeesian and Derek Chan.
Arthur's done all the Rush Hour movies and Derek did all the DreamWorks animation movies that you could think of.
Make a studio that's going to change the world, a media company that's going to speak truth, that's going to bring values back and have some conservative values.
We joined forces and we went and met with a bunch of conservative investors.
I will say in the beginning it was a lot harder because the Deep State was a lot better at supporting each other than conservatives could be at times.
So getting money together took a long time.
But once I think the world started showing its true colors, conservative folks started coming out of the woodwork and just started, you know, Back in our ideas and ideologies.
And, you know, we started our first two movies as documentaries of the studio, which is not, you know, Arthur's done like Rush Hour, he's got billions of dollars of box office.
Derek has done Shrek, Madagascar, Kung Fu Panda, and all these kind of movies.
But it was needed to have a voice for, you know, this movement.
I think folks were, and especially in the entertainment business, were scared.
To speak in this movement, you know, because, you know, if you said Donald Trump, all of a sudden you're a racist, you know, and, you know, you support all these bad things, which the media, you know, told lies about.
So we needed to be a voice.
I said my main thing is I'm going to bring media back again.
So let's talk about this shift in Hollyweird.
Because look, it's always kind of had this progressive tint to it.
Let's see how far we can push this genre or that movie or this franchise, etc.
for sure. But when you were talking about The type of films from Shrek to Rush Hour, a lot of this stuff has been based in traditional family values and cultural values, right?
certainly around the family basis, around the buddy comedy, around helping one another, and really these subversive political agendas have really not been a part of that.
There has been a complete and total shift over the past decade, maybe even a little bit more, where constantly you are seeing those things interjected into popular culture and into film and television, et cetera.
When did you start really noticing that massive shift?
Look, we grew up at a time where I was watching shows like Diff'rent Strokes and Family Ties and Good Times and Silver Spoons, and they all taught messages at the end of it.
So as I began to be a family man, married, I got three beautiful children, my beautiful wife, Anna.
And we basically were raising our kids and I started to see slowly but surely whether it was in Disney shows and things were starting to get a little more provocative and Hannah Montana started changing into I am Miley and things like that.
You started to see differences and I was very grateful to God.
I'm a man of faith. I'm on my hands and knees praying three times a day.
I was very faithful to God that my kids were the age they were because I feel really, really bad for anybody with young children now because now it's a free-for-all for them.
You know, they want sex changes and they want you to be okay with all of these ridiculous things and not allow kids to be kids.
So I started to see it come a little bit, a little.
And then 2019, when all the world began to really expose itself and shift, is when I said, nah, enough's enough, man.
We're going to do something different here.
We're going to take Hollywood back.
So you formed this company.
Why does Trump become a focal point?
Obviously, he has been at the forefront of kind of transforming traditional politics and even traditional narratives, etc., In a manner, I don't know any whether it's political figure or pop culture figure has been able to do in the past, especially on the scale that we've seen.
I think he's an imperfect guy.
I have a lot of issues with even some of his policy, etc.
But I'm also not blind to see the positives of a lot of all this and the pushback against what we were just talking about.
So what are your thoughts? Well, God uses imperfect people to get his messages across.
I mean, it's through all the scripture.
You could see that. And no, Donald Trump isn't a perfect guy, but I started to realize that what they were doing to him You know, you just have to sit back and think, all right, they're calling this man Hitler.
He's never killed anybody, let alone millions of people.
So let's just get rid of that, you know.
And why are they attacking him on every outlet possible?
Mainstream, social media.
So I'm a guy from Brooklyn.
I'm an Italian. We're known to be thinkers.
You know, we were raised in a You know, in a world where organized crime built things, so you got to sit and listen and watch people who were in a corrupt world, and you start to realize when corruption gets scared, it starts attacking things that are threatening it, right?
And he must have known something or knew something about a lot of these people that they were scared about.
And what do they do? It's being a little ridiculous now.
Now you start to realize that Donald Trump is being unfairly attacked, unfairly prosecuted.
He could probably send a tweet or two less, but I'm a very sarcastic, joking guy myself.
I sort of like the tweets, you know?
I think that's his appeal, man.
A lot of people, you know, you talk about that New York attitude and the mafia there.
One of my, I think, legitimate criticisms of the guy before he even got into office is the fact he was literally a gangster.
You know, you don't build casinos in Atlantic City or become a real estate mogul without dealing with the unions that are heavily entwined with that type of crime in New York City.
But at the same time, that's really the lower level.
The actual mafia are the ones that are in government or pulling the strings via the lobbyists.
And I think that's kind of the big secret because he was in those circles for sure, but he was never part of their clubs.
Instead, he dealt on the ground much more with those type of entities.
So what do you think about that aspect of Trump?
It's not a lot of people focus or even mention that, but it's the truth.
I mean, the guy was an icon in New York City for many, many years and then brought that gambling flavor into New Jersey.
Was a huge part also of the boxing world as well.
People have to understand, yeah, he wasn't a promoter, but they held a lot of his shows there.
He loves combat sports to this day.
That's a business littered with the type of figures we're talking about as well.
So I'd love to get your take on that.
Well, you know, what we got to really learn making this movie, you know, everybody, you know, Dinesh had a movie he put out and he addressed certain topics, January 6th, the election and stuff.
We stayed with The Man You Don't Know.
So we got to go deep into We're good to go.
You know, Sammy the Bull publicly has told stories saying, we tried to get to him directly.
They couldn't because he was so smart enough to keep himself distant, even though the Italians controlled the concrete and they controlled the unions.
He was still smart.
Smart enough and just maneuvered in a way that kept themselves distant.
And then when you get into politics, look, man, the Epstein thing is the most remarkable thing that has hit this planet.
And it really opened a lot of things into corruption into this world.
And why I'm bringing that up is we come to talk to law enforcement while doing this that said, hey, there was only one man that was willing to help and offer anything up When the Epstein stuff, once he kicked him out of Mar-a-Lago, he's like, hey, whatever you guys need, give me a call. Everybody else who potentially was around Epstein, they would not even speak to anybody.
And what does that tell you?
That he's never had anything to hide.
He's always put everything in the front and never hid anything.
Look, I learned a lot about the man's heart.
He's very philanthropic.
He's very giving. Yeah, blunt.
I'm blunt. People can call me names and say, you know, I'm probably an ass at times to people.
But, you know, that's the New York...
You'll never have to guess what Donald Trump's going to say to you, and you'll never have to guess.
I'll always say it to you. We're very similar in that regard.
So that bluntness is really who he is.
But at the end, what we've learned, Jason, through this movie...
Is the man who was the son of a developer, who became a developer himself, who became a TV star, who became a president.
He was always the same.
From the people you talk to who knew him for 60 plus years, he's never changed.
You know, you mentioned the fact that He worked with or offered to work with law enforcement.
I'd just like to interject that Bradley Edwards, who was an attorney for several of the Epstein victims, iterated that same exact thing, that he was the only one that was willing to talk after the fact.
And he, you know, again, I've followed that case from the very beginning.
You look at what happened at Mar-a-Lago and the documentation that came out, and there may have been some falling out otherwise, but he absolutely did excommunicate himself from Epstein.
And that's something that I think is really important to look into and emphasize.
And I hope that does drive him to release all of the Epstein documents, all the MLK, JFK, RFK, 9-11 documents that he's talked about.
We've got to take a quick break.
When we come back, I want to talk about the film and what's focused on.
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I like the conference. I'm a New York guy.
You know, probably same era.
I'm 45. I didn't grow up in the city, but you know, when I was a kid, we lived in Dutchess County and we were going down to Flatbush, Brooklyn for my great aunt all the time.
I think that is appealing.
I'm very blunt also.
Look, lies don't make friends, okay?
And the bottom line is I want people to be honest with me.
I'm going to be honest with them.
You have to read situations continuously.
I'm not saying I've never lied in my life.
We all have. We're imperfect beings like we've talked about.
But somebody like Trump, who is blunt, down the line, and actually enacts a lot of the policies he said he was going to.
Again, not perfect.
There were certainly things that he did not follow through on.
But never in my life has there been a president nor political figure that has driven home so many of the things he said he did.
The first one would be the fact that when he got in...
The week after, there was more money in my paycheck in New York and everybody else's that I knew as well.
So speak to that for a moment.
And how much of that do you include in the film?
The rhetoric of the media and the opposition versus what this guy said and actually did while in office.
Well, yeah, the film reflects, you know, it starts off on, you know, showing his young life and going to military school.
And it really, really gives you a sense of his character development.
I mean, he became the captain in military school.
He was a guy in charge, leading all others.
So when you see the fact that the man you don't know goes into Donald Trump in the 15 to 18-year-old range and you see that he was being a leader then, and then it shows his heart.
You know, there's a great story that Peter Tickton, who's one of his oldest friends, tells that I mean,
you know, Look, the attack on the media, I mean, from the media, we show a segment of all the media and what they said about him being, have to be stopped.
He's a disruptor and at all costs.
And some folks on live TV actually go as far as saying, we need to put a bullet in Donald Trump.
So, you know, when you start to see that rhetoric and then people act on it, I mean, I'm sorry, man.
That's them driving him to be killed.
There's no other way to look at it because there's people taking attempts on his life.
And, you know, and there's other things you'll learn in the movie that it's been more times than it's been documented.
I mean, the man is, they've tried a lot to bring him down.
And if you don't have faith or believe in God from the stuff I learned from filming this documentary, the man's protected by God.
Well, we've had Peter Tickton on the program a couple of times, and I always enjoy having Peter on.
We always have a great conversation, really great guy.
You just kind of mentioned the assassination attempts.
That's certainly been a subject that we've talked about recently.
It's obviously my concern and many others that There's another one coming.
And this time around, I don't want to say third time's the charm, but maybe it's not a gun.
Maybe it's a plane crash, a helicopter crash, an explosion, a car bomb.
Maybe it's not even him. Maybe his family is targeted, whether that be one of his sons or grandchildren.
Who knows? We certainly are in that arena.
What do you think the future holds in this election cycle in that regard?
You know, I know they took a lot of extra measures because we did this movie with the family.
So they took a lot of extra security measures in anticipation for that because there had been reports that people were trying to get close with rocket launchers to the plane and things.
I mean, this is what this man is dealing with.
And, you know, I pray every day that God protects him, his kids, his grandkids, you know, that's all we can do because, look, man, evil is powerful.
And if you look at where we are in the world right now, evil's on the rise.
I mean, you got people who are running for president.
I mean, like I say, it looks like to me jihad's on the ballot.
I mean, that's just, you know, that's what I feel, you know, because you can't say the things that these folks are saying.
And it's so funny. They say it, and it's on TV, and then they say they didn't say it, and they backtrack it.
And we're sitting there like, you just said that.
I mean, like, you know, so, you know, the things they're saying is so socialistic, communistic, just it's really, really...
This is what we're up against.
And unfortunately, I live in California and I'm never going.
I was going to go to Vegas, have our studio built there, but I'm not giving up the ship.
First of all, it's the most beautiful state.
I love New York. It's the best city in the world.
I'll say all that so my New Yorkers don't kill me.
But California is the most beautiful state in the country from top to bottom.
The politics just suck.
Now, I will say what Donald Trump said a few weeks ago.
If we had...
God or Jesus counting the ballots, he would win California.
I believe that because everybody I talk to here...
I think he'd win New York! I mean, I think that's where we're really at.
And that's a whole other issue.
I wish we had more time.
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Joshua, what would you like to leave the audience with?
Listen, go out and vote and watch this movie and learn who the man really is.
Then you will feel really comfortable voting for Donald J. Trump, themanyoudontknow.com, globalascensionstudios.com.
By the way, I made Hulk Hogan cry twice in this movie.
Talking about the assassination attempt.
It was pretty awesome. Hulk, don't beat me up.
But I appreciate you guys, and I love the work you do.
Jason, keep it up. Alright, thank you so much.
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