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Political Prosecution In Amerika With Ed Martin, Juny Tarrio, And Chris Paul

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Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and today we're going to be talking about January 6th and due process denied with lawyer Ed Martin and then we're going to be talking about Joe Biden and a whole lot more with our man Chris Paul.
Buckle up.
You're not going to want to miss it.
let's make sense of the madness.
January 6th has been portrayed as an insurrection and as such has put people behind bars without any sort of real due process in show trials that have garnered now decades for people that weren't even there.
especially in the case of Enrique Tario.
On top of that, you have a situation on January 5th where pipe bombs were put all over DC and somehow, some way, that person can't be found to talk about all of these aspects and much more is lawyer Ed Martin.
Ed, thank you so much for joining us.
And we were lucky enough to have a really great conversation off air.
But for my audience, let them know how you got involved in this subject in the first place.
Well, thanks, Jason.
One thing, I was there on January 6th.
I was down at the ellipse to see Donald Trump's speech.
I walked back up to where our offices are a few blocks from the Capitol.
So I wasn't at the Capitol.
I did go past it.
But I was intimately involved.
I run the Phyllis Schlafly Eagles organizations.
And we were involved after the 2020 election in saying, hey, some things look really off.
Some of our folks were really concerned.
And so I was heavily involved.
But I'm also an attorney.
And years ago, when I passed the bar in Missouri, I waved into the DC bar.
And when I realized that a bunch of the defendants were in trouble in DC, I used my access to the DC bar and I helped, I'm not a criminal lawyer, but I helped lawyers get with me to help some of these guys.
And so I've represented three of them.
And also then I went on the board of what's called the Patriot Freedom Project, which is a really unique organization started by a Jersey housewife who has a nephew who was jammed up in January 6th.
And we've raised a bunch of money.
We've been ruthless at helping get good lawyers for these defendants and also helping the families.
You know, I say, Jason, all the time, it's not, these are families, the people that are stuck in J6.
It's the worst thing that I've ever seen in terms of the system sticking it to working people.
The guys and mostly guys in jail and their families, they're not worried about their mortgage.
They're worried about their rent.
They're not worried about their car payments.
They're worried about their carburetor, right?
These are working class Americans that are stuck and they're being, as you mentioned, they're being put through a ringer.
And the ringer is based on political targeting by the governing party to try to force a narrative on America.
And it's the worst thing I've ever seen in terms of the abuse of our great crown jewel of America is our Constitution, the rule of law, our founding values.
And I've never seen anything like this, the abuse that's going on.
So I'm heavily involved in sort of every aspect of trying to get the truth out to protect these defendants and to help their families and to try to get America back on track because it really can't function when our legal system is so corrupted in what I've seen.
So let's review everything that happened during January 6th and after.
Because I was also there.
I was at the ellipse and I actually did go to the Capitol, even made my way up to the second level.
It was very hard to live stream, but taped everything that I could and then put it out there after the fact.
And look, there were people that were causing violence.
Those people should be prosecuted for their violence as such.
There were people that caused destruction.
Those people should be prosecuted for their property destruction as such.
But it should be on an expedited path.
And as such, anything these people had done before, in other words, the ones with no criminal record, especially ones that simply trespassed at best, should have been processed and then let free, had their day in court and probably paid a fine.
Instead, what we saw is we saw people overly persecuted, prosecuted, put in solitary confinement and an extension of a narrative of an insurrection that never was causing some type of a conspiracy that caused show trials that were literally produced by a holly weirdo in the entertainment industry that were never ending,
that had no opposition in them, as criminal trials went down in DC and found these people guilty and put them in jail for decades, Ed.
Yeah.
Yeah, look, Jason, I mean, you described it well.
And what I would say is politicians lying, that's not new.
Not surprising to any of us.
You know, they spent almost $20 million, Liz Cheney, Benny Thompson, Nancy Pelosi, to put on show trials, right?
And it was all based on lies.
They didn't cover the seriousness of lots of aspects of things.
But that, again, I'm not surprised by politicians of both parties being liars, being self-absorbed, self-centered, all that stuff.
I'm none of that surprising.
What's really terrible is they used their power and the media and big tech joined them in, as you say, not just forcing a narrative on the American public, but on the jury pool in D.C. and getting buy-in from the judges and from the people that are participating in this justice system about a lie.
And so as you say, you know, Osama bin Laden is a terrorist and, you know, I got it.
They call these people that were trespassing terrorists and they treat them in similar manner.
And that, and the problem with that is that's a lie.
Our due process, you talk about due process denied, our book title.
Due process, it says that you're supposed to have a jury of your peers, not a biased jury.
You're supposed to have a tribunal.
That's really the center of the due process, a tribunal that's unbiased.
And all that was out the window intentionally.
I mean, again, sometimes if you're, you know, if you're Jeffrey Dahmer and after it runs in the paper, you're like, how am I going to get a fair trial?
Everybody knows I was really pretty whacked out or maybe not pretty way whacked out.
But what we watched was the country and the president of the United States hammering, hammering, hammering to the detriment of the rights of the citizens.
I mean, it wasn't even foreign terrorists that we were, you know, abusing their rights.
It was whether they were convicted or not.
It was American citizens.
This is an extraordinary moment.
And fighting through that, if you're a patriotic, if you're a patriotic lawyer, Jason, you're going to have to be on the hot seat because they're going to come for your bar license.
They're going to pressure your law firm, all this kind of stuff.
So we're in a very, very difficult moment.
And the specifics of this can be lost on the public because it's hard to go back and go through them.
You know, the DC jail was a gulag.
Okay, well, that was years ago.
You know, the Speedy Trials Act has been told X number of times, meaning it's been delayed all these times, all these aspects of things.
But if you're going to jail for 22 years, as you mentioned, Tario, if you're going to jail for five years for walking through the building, this is insanity.
So there's a lot to do and a lot to push back on.
And again, every day it feels like it's a bigger and bigger challenge.
But every day we make a little bit of progress and that's what we've got to do.
Well, unfortunately, it also seems to be getting worse in the media arena.
You know, we discussed this before the show, but Newsweek has now run a full cover article where clearly they are demonizing January 6th participants as the next terrorist, the quote-unquote enemy within.
And the FBI is now openly targeting quote unquote MAGA, whatever that means.
Well, it means American citizens who happen to support Donald Trump as the enemy.
I don't think we have ever seen the DOJ so openly mobilized against the American people and in a situation where if the cases are brought to DC, there is no possible way to get a fair trial at.
Yeah, no, look, and Jason, I hate the media and I don't trust them at all.
So even when I see an article like that, I think that Newsweek is trying to sell their stories and trying to, you know, cause the dissension.
And on the other hand, I also think that most of the media is now managed by some of the intelligence community in some way.
And what I tell people is at this point, we're in a situation where it's not the old Reagan statement that he said about the Soviet communists where it was, you know, trust but verify.
It's distrust and but verify.
I mean, you have to start out saying, I just don't believe anything that the government is telling me.
And the situation in this case is if you represented some of these guys, mostly guys, again, that are in jail that are stuck there in these trials.
And you mentioned there's been over a thousand people arrested.
And about three months ago, the prosecutor in Washington, D.C., the federal prosecutor said, we got a thousand more.
And they're rolling them up every week, Jason.
They're rolling them up every week.
And they're doing it intentionally to send a message up to the election next year.
It's the only way.
It's the only way you can think about it when you say, I distrust, and then I'll verify.
There's no reason to wait.
They have the resources.
If they wanted to arrest the others, they could, but they're going to roll this up like this.
And the simple fact is that what we're seeing again is targeting people and then assigning the crime.
There's a whole set.
I mean, Jason, we could spend the whole show.
There's a whole set of crimes that have nothing to do with trespass, even breaking a window that's called obstruction of official proceeding.
It's a law that was passed, a felony, 20 years in prison.
It was passed for witness tampering.
It's in the statute under witness tampering.
It's not for when Mike Pence gets scared and gavels out the Electoral College vote and that's an official proceeding disrupted, but they just add that on.
So you walk through there, trespass, misdemeanor, you know, $100 fine.
You break a window, vandalism, $100 fine, whatever.
No, we add this felony and everybody's like, holy, if you're a lawyer, you're like, holy cow, now I got four misdemeanors and a felony.
I better take the deal they're giving me.
And that's the way they're turning the screws on these citizens.
And again, how we get out of this when we're watching the narrative, as you say, being so regularly hammered.
Look, President Biden, a few weeks ago, says out loud, he calls the MAGA extremists.
He's targeting a whole bunch of citizens in a systematic way.
And you're like, wait, our system, the legal system, is supposed to be better than that.
We may have pathetic leaders, but the system, the legal system, supposed to stand up to that.
Right now, it's not standing up to that.
It's buckling under that.
And that's a problem for us.
So one of the other aspects that we haven't talked about with January 6th is that we still have not gotten all the footage that has been obtained by our Justice Department.
And this is a huge problem because, number one, it doesn't allow for citizen investigators to put this out into the public arena.
And in large part, a lot of this footage was not allowed to be played at trial for people like Big, Drell, Tario, and others that would really have exonerated them in many ways of the crimes they said that they were committed, imaginary crimes in most instances.
So speak to that aspect of the footage.
Now, you have had access to some footage that the public has not.
What can you tell us?
Well, this is important for people.
Again, you can't keep up with the facts.
There are two buckets full of videos.
They overlap.
But one bucket is anybody who's in the DOJ system, anybody who's been arrested and charged.
The Department of Justice, again, with the draconian rules that make it seem like you're dealing with real terrorists, Osama bin Laden, they have a protective order on that video that you can barely talk about, let alone show anyone.
So they tie your hands up and you have to trust.
Again, hear what I said?
I distrust.
You have to trust that the prosecutors are giving you everything that is exculpatory possibly for your defendant.
So that's one bucket.
And that bucket, you know, again, for those cases, we're all in there trying to fight our way through it.
But it's like you're looking at a needle in a haystack and saying, do I even have the whole haystack?
The other bucket, though, is all of the video that has been controlled by the Capitol Police, we think, and now is in the hands of the House Republicans.
I have looked at that.
I've been in there.
It's very cumbersome to look at.
I've been at the terminals, you know, and I go in regularly and I've looked at a lot of stuff.
I've seen a lot of stuff.
I can tell you I've seen the pipe bomber and where I think it's a woman where she walks back and forth.
She looks over a fence.
She takes out her phone.
She wipes her glasses off.
I don't know how, just on what I've seen, that there's not a real FBI effort to find this person.
I don't believe it.
So I say again, what are they hiding if they won't?
This is not stuff that's supposed to be hidden from the public.
And so that whole bucket has not been released to the public.
You're right.
It's been made accessible to lots of different groups and lots of different people.
And I don't know why.
You know, Kevin McCarthy's no longer speaker.
I did work with his staff to get access to try to track down, again, for some of my defendants and some others.
I'm focused on protecting those guys.
That's more important to me as a lawyer than anything else.
But I think the country has a real interest in wanting to get to the bottom of it.
What they say, which is insanity, they say, because I'll get to the last part of this bucket.
What they say is, oh, but if we release all the video, the left wing will go look at it and they'll target people and more people will get arrested.
And I say, what are you talking about?
The left wing has it all.
There's groups that are out there.
I'm sure Pelosi gave it all to them, all of them.
They have a website by some nonprofit that seems to have more of the information and more of the video than anybody else.
Don't pretend that the Democrats that were in charge of the House of that select committee suddenly got, you know, kind of principled because here's what they did.
They wrote a 700-page report.
They mentioned the pipe bomber on page 600.
They didn't even get to it.
They didn't get to the gallows.
I mentioned to you off the air, Jason.
They didn't get to almost anything.
They didn't get to, you know, we know there are dozens and dozens and dozens just on a cursory look of people who are feds that are undercover.
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We'd expect that, but that hasn't been released to us.
So, and here's what the select committee did.
This is very important.
They destroyed evidence.
They did $19 million and a report.
And on the way out, they destroyed evidence.
They destroyed all the videos of all the depositions.
They disappeared a bunch of the work of the group that was supposed to, the blue group that was supposed to look at some sort of threats.
All that stuff disappeared and they gave out the propaganda.
And my beef is the Republicans ought to be going after their colleagues for that destruction of evidence and drive the point.
If you destroy, they've admitted, if you destroy evidence, use it as a way to say, well, what else did you, we can't trust you then.
What else was there?
So on the video, we need, if we don't get all of it out, we need more of it out so that our people can see what's going on and crowdsource the truth and get to the bottom of what went on.
And I think we'll get more and more.
I'm kind of quietly optimistic that eventually we're going to get it.
I wish it was faster, but we are where we are with the swamp.
It's been far too long, and I totally agree because it's important to be able to sway people via the court of public opinion through public available evidence.
We've got to take a break.
When we come back, we're also going to be joined by Enrico Tario's mother, Zuni Tario.
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January 6th.
And we are now joined by Zuni Tario and Ed Martin together.
And Zuni, let me just ask you the question.
How is your son feeling?
And how is he feeling about the appeals process and whether or not he'll eventually be exonerated and freed?
He's feeling good.
He's strong right now, waiting to be moved, waiting for a designation.
Hoping to God it's Florida, but we'll see.
Not everybody.
Some guys were taken really far from home on this indictment, the other four.
So we're just waiting.
He's feeling strong.
We feel good about the appeal.
There's a lot on the appeal that we're feeling strong about.
So hopefully that'll come through and maybe a couple of other avenues that we're wanting to take.
Ed, can you speak to the appeals process that is ahead of Enrique?
Yeah.
Well, he's got, I think he's got a great case, but I mean, I'm an optimist on all these things.
And it's so outrageous the sentence he got, you know, as you mentioned.
And just to tell your listeners, again, this is a guy that never made it.
You know, you were there, Jason.
I was there.
I mean, he didn't even make it there.
You're getting prosecuted sort of as the ringleader based on texts.
I mean, this is insane.
So there's a whole bunch of appeals in his case, and I'm pretty confident that there's paths to go forward.
I would pull back broadly and say a lot of the targeting of these defendants on some of these charges.
One case may go to the Supreme Court.
I highlighted the Miller case on this obstruction official proceeding.
What we really need is to get out of the DC court system and even the Court of Appeals and frankly to the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court gives us the best chance to actually look at this sanely.
The problem is two things.
Enrique actually had the courage to go to trial.
I think he thought he could win, but now you're in a position that most people can't afford and risk going to trial, so they take plea deals, in which case you're limited on your appeals.
So Enrique's done something valuable, even as he put his own life and freedom at risk to go up on appeal.
And that's going to, but it takes a long time.
And you're in the system because, again, the characterization of these guys is that you're somehow a terrorist and therefore you're able to be held in a way that's very different than a usual kind of charge, a usual kind of proceeding on these charges.
And at the same time, you have all the resources of the federal government waging lawfare against you.
I know that this process has been an extremely expensive one and is more than likely going to be even more expensive in the future, Zuni.
How can people support you and really hone in on why that's so important?
Because fundamentally, these people have limitless resources to persecute and then prosecute your son in a federal court.
Exactly.
Government has spent millions of dollars on these court hearings and on these trials.
And we have spent just in trial alone, we spend hundreds of thousands.
I'm sure Attorney Ed could know about that.
But yeah, we are going to go to appeal.
We're going to take it all the way.
Enrique decided to go to trial because he believed in the justice system that obviously didn't come through.
They didn't apply justice as it should be.
And we're going to go to the appeals.
And again, it's hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And we have tariofamilyfund.org going on.
We'd really appreciate it.
Like I've said in other programs, this is an appeal not only for Enrique Tario, this is an appeal for everyone.
You know, again, Enrique wasn't there.
It was all text messages in court.
Those texts were changed, deleted as the government wanted the jury to see it, not how it was supposed to be shown.
And Ed, can you say Jason?
One real quick thing on how important this is.
Just because these guys, mostly guys, are characterized by Newsweek and others in a certain way doesn't mean they don't deserve the best lawyers.
And it's hard to get the best lawyers.
These are specialized fights in terms of appeals.
And there's only a few lawyers that are willing and courageous enough to do it.
So I can't underscore enough, Jason.
If people are fired up about this, you've got to put some skin in the game for these guys.
This is too often they're forgotten by we move on to the next thing, real crazy things in the world.
But these guys are in jail and they're waiting appeals and we got to fight through it.
So I just think that's what Patriot Freedom Project does.
That's what Zuni does so well for her son.
And what, you know, this, you need to help Enrique and Zuni.
And not just because you care about what they say about one guy.
You need to care about what's happening in the system.
Well, absolutely.
Go ahead, please.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Yeah, it's time to, you know, say no.
It's time to speak out.
We've been scared in the past.
We've been quiet in the past.
It's time to bring it to light.
It's time to bring it out there for all the J6ers, not just for Enrique, but for all of them.
It's important that we talk about it, that we let people know.
I talk to people all the time that don't even know what happened on J6, and that's like so surprising to me.
But yes, please, let's speak about it.
Let's help these guys.
They really need this appeal to go to, you know, to come through for them.
Well, absolutely.
And like I said, that's why we have to be in the court of public opinion.
And we have to make people realize even if you don't agree with these people's politics, that's a moot point.
They're coming after everybody and they're widening and broadening that net.
And it really just means anybody who opposes the current narrative of the establishment.
Now, speaking to the fact that they've literally spent millions of dollars against these guys, these are people that didn't physically hurt anybody.
These are people that, again, aren't murderers, haven't taken arms up against anybody, haven't robbed anybody.
Put into context what you would see in a normal case, what the state would spend financially against somebody in a trespass case.
They might decide not even, I don't know, to prosecute it, correct?
Right.
I mean, in many, many cases, and we can step away a little bit from Enrique's case to some of these others.
I mean, you had normal citizens walk through that had never had any.
They didn't have parking tickets.
I mean, they didn't have anything.
And they served in the military and others.
And look, every case in America should be handled very distinctly.
You, you as a citizen, have the right to due process.
It's not a group right.
It's not a PAC.
And so, you know, look, usually the prosecution would be much more civil.
It would be, hey, you did something wrong.
We can't allow you to march through the wrong place.
We're going to charge you with something.
But again, I don't want to go too down, too deep into the specifics, but we have at least two suicides of defendants because, in my opinion, of the way the prosecutors decided to terrorize them.
One of them, Matthew Perner, which I know very well because I know his family well, you know, that guy was, he was about to get sentenced.
He was going to take the plea deal.
And at the last minute, they said, oh, we're going to add a terrorism enhancement.
And the guy snapped.
He snapped.
He thought he lost his life.
And he took his life.
This kind of cruelty should be reserved for terrorists like Osama bin Laden.
It shouldn't be done to we the people.
And so you say how many resources, the resources would be, it would just be a very different experience.
And the judges would be in a different spot.
They would be saying to these prosecutors and defendants, hey, let's get this over with so people can go on with their lives.
They got kids and families and jobs.
In this case, it was the opposite.
Let's make them pay.
And back to Enrique for a second.
Some of the prosecutors are targeting people that have raised money for their legal defense.
And they're asking for the fines of cases to include the amount of what they raised.
And you're saying these people aren't buying cars with this stuff.
They're paying for lawyers.
And the government's paying for the other side's lawyers.
So that kind of, again, cruelty is justified when the narrative machine is pushing such a terrible, terrible lie, set of lies on the American people.
And we have to, again, fight back against it and fight the narrative.
But understand, it's a really difficult challenge that these men, mostly men, are going through.
And that narrative machine has largely demonized your son, Zuni.
Has it been difficult to raise these funds in light of the opposition?
Yes, it's been very difficult.
Thank God that everybody has, you know, has given whatever they have.
And we need the help.
We need the help to fight this big monster.
I mean, like Ed says, I mean, these guys are there like for like terrorists.
You know, so it's been really hard sometimes to explain that.
I've had media ask me, well, if he didn't do anything, how is he a terrorist?
And we're like, well, he didn't.
He only did his freedom of speech on his texts.
And he really didn't, he wasn't even there.
And he respects, he respected the authority of that telling him to stay away.
And he did.
He stayed away.
He did what he was told.
And yet they went ahead in sentencing and the judge went ahead and accepted the terrorism enhancement.
And that was terrible because we always feel that our children, our patriots, are United States citizens.
They're not from any other country or any terrorist country like we saw.
We've seen in the past.
And it's really, really painful.
We really do need the help for these appeals.
So, the way that they've characterized this and the deals that they seemingly cut, we see time and time again that the Justice Department is not honest with the people that they're dealing with.
The latest case with Owen Schroer, where he played ball and they still ended up giving them 60 days in prison, these terrorism enhancements after the fact, Ed.
This really speaks to how these people do business and how you cannot take them at their word.
And that's really why you need the best lawyers to get everything in writing as everything goes along.
Yeah, look, Jason, I mean, it's a surprise to me to see how difficult this process has been in terms of what you just described.
Usually, in a system, even when it's adversarial, you've got people that are called to be lawyers that believe in the system, they believe in the Constitution, the rule of law.
And in this case, it doesn't feel like you're at the same purposes.
So, you kind of say, again, my motto is distrust but verify because you start out saying, I'm not going to trust what you're telling me because it's not, I can't rely on it.
That's a terrible way for the system to be.
I will say one more thing about that.
We count on our legal system, the crown jewel of America is our Constitution, the rule of law, our founding values embodied in our legal system.
And when you expect the judges to play a role that sometimes you'll get lawyers out of control and they'll be prosecutors go too far, the defense lawyers are lying, whatever.
The judges are supposed to be above that.
In this case, the judges feel, and this is a characteristic of other countries usually, but it feels like the judges are on a side here.
And that's very, very disturbing.
And it's very hard to operate and you worry about it.
And again, I'm confident in the Supreme Court, but we shouldn't have a system where you have to go to the U.S. Supreme Court just to get due process and get a fair trial.
So, there's a lot of these issues, Jason, that are coming to bear that are really troubling and are leading to really, it's one thing for me to say it's troubling with you.
It's another thing for Enrique to go to jail for 22 years.
This is beyond, you know, we have protections for our liberty.
That's criminal, you know, liberty losing is bigger than any.
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You lose your, you know, your status in our society.
That's a different standard.
You lose your freedom.
It's a higher standard, and it feels like we're not living up to it.
Absolutely.
And we're no longer in the hypothetical.
These things are absolutely going on.
We've got to go to break.
We're going to come back with Zuni Tario.
Before you leave us, Ed, what would you like to leave my audience with?
Just encourage people to listen to Zuni's words and get the context of what's going on and understand that these are human beings that are being put through a really difficult situation and they need your support.
The Patriot Freedom Project, our founder, Cynthia Hughes, is a family member.
Her nephew Tim is going to hopefully get out of jail in a few months from his time.
And there's a lot of personal impact.
And PatriotFreedomProject.com, you can learn more about the book, Due Process Denied.
I encourage people to just get engaged.
We've got to beat this to protect America.
And we think we can.
And people like Zuni are leading the way.
So thanks for the time, Jason.
Thank you.
And folks, we'll be back after this.
Be sure to keep tuned as we talk to Zuni Tario, the mother of Enrique Tario, now serving 22 years if the federal government has its way.
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We are back, and Zuni Tario is with us.
Zuni, take us back to before January 6th.
Obviously, there had been rallies going on.
I was at the Stop Steal December rally.
What was it like talking to your son?
Because obviously your son wasn't telling you they were planning an insurrection and they were going to overtake the government.
I actually interviewed your son, I believe, December 20th during the night of one of these events, you know, and I did so right after he had hugged somebody.
You know, all these people had portrayed your son as such an evil person.
And I just remember sitting there watching him getting a big hug from somebody and it was all about love.
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And then me stepping up and talking to him and him being very jovial about everything despite what was going on in our country.
And that seemed to be the vibe around this guy.
And yet the media really inverted him into some sort of a villain.
So, you know, firsthand, what was his demeanor on the run up to January 6th?
Enrique is a very peaceful guy overall.
And, you know, besides the media, I get so many good comments about him, about the way he is, about, you know, the person he is.
He's always caring.
He's always, he's always worked with law enforcement closely with them to make sure that law enforcement always knows what they're doing, where they're going.
And he's really, he's really a loved guy by a lot of people, but the media has put them out there like a monster.
And in court, you know, I even told the judge, you know, he's not a monster.
He's just a regular patriot guy.
He's quiet.
He's not, you know, he's nothing like what they say he is.
And I think if you interviewed him and a lot of people know him, thousands of people know him, know that that is true.
And there was nothing leading up to January 6th.
It was just something like any other place they were going to.
No plan, no conspiracy.
Anybody that knew these guys knew that they were very not good for planning.
So there was nothing there.
Just a bunch of text messages.
A lot of the text messages and the telegram messages.
Enrique wasn't even on them.
They couldn't even prove that he opened most of them.
So they bring these into the fray.
They obviously throw as many resources against him, not only in the court system, but in the media and these January 6th show hearings.
While he's going through the process, does it become more and more evident to him that he's not getting the fair shake that he would have hoped going to trial?
Oh, yeah, we already knew that from the beginning, Jason.
We knew we, you know, with a court, a trial in D.C., a jury in D.C., we already know going into that that that was going to be a big issue, that there was a big chance.
But we were hoping that somebody on that jury would see the real truth.
But, you know, prosecution kept showing the same videos over and over, the same telegram messages, the same ones.
There was never different ones.
It was the same ones for the whole five months of the trial.
So they were like brainwashing these jurors into thinking, okay, well, this is what happened, and this is what happened, and this is what they said.
And there was just no good outcome.
We already knew that from the get-go.
From jury selection, we already knew that there was a big issue.
So where are we in the appeals process?
I talked to Zachary Rell about a month ago, and he said, honestly, he doesn't believe that his appeals process will hit the courtrooms until possibly after the election.
Is that the timeframe you're currently looking at?
Well, they have 90 days, and then they'll ask for an extension for another 90 days.
It's really preliminary right now.
So we're looking like 180 days down the line and a little bit after that.
So it might not get all, hopefully it won't be all the way to the elections, but more or less, that looks like the timeframe.
And obviously, you guys are going to be seeking a change of venue, or as Ed said, bringing it directly to the Supreme Court?
Yeah, we've asked for change of venues from the beginning, even during trial, before trial.
And of course, it wasn't granted to us.
It wasn't granted to us because, you know, they just said no.
There was no change of venue.
They wanted the whole circus to go on on DC.
And that's exactly what happened.
The whole circus would want at DC.
What would you like to leave my audience with?
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And once again, how can they support you?
Because I think this is really, really important.
Again, people need to look in the mirror and realize that at some level, you're the target as well.
If they can do this to somebody who was not even at the event and the event was not even what they said it was, they can do this to anybody for anything.
So what would you like to leave the audience with and how can they support you?
We're the silent majority.
So I want everybody to speak out.
Everybody, please help the tariofamilyfund.org.
It's really important that we get the help that we need to fight this appeal.
Again, it's an appeal for the whole country.
And please speak out about this.
Don't be silent anymore.
Don't be scared.
This could happen to anybody.
Anybody for text messaging, for telegram, for doing all of that.
So, you know, anything could happen.
Please go to tariofamilyfund.org and please speak out.
Speak out about this for tario and for every all the j-6ers.
Let's please bring this to light.
The more we talk about it, the more people know, the more they know what the government is doing, what prosecution is doing, and how these guys are taken, you know, like they're terrorists.
Zuni, our thoughts and prayers are with you and the best of luck to you in the future.
We've got to take a break when we come back.
We're going to be talking to Chris Paul.
It's Making Sense of the Madness.
Back after this.
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And today, we're going to be talking about anti-war.
I like anti-war.
I'm not a war guy, Chris.
All right.
You know, I'm pretty against killing people and having people killed.
So, when I see Marjorie Taylor Greene, who, you know, sometimes I like, sometimes I like what she says, and I see Code Pink, who I actually marched with way back in the day during the Bush administration, getting together and protesting the Ukraine war, smiles come onto my face.
I like that.
But then that smile is turned upside down into a frown, not the way I like it to go.
When I see that Code Pink then repudiates it and calls MGT opportunistic and demanded taking photos with the group, can't we all just get along, Chris?
Isn't the first message the better one?
And shouldn't Code Pink have some humility and try to absorb people on the right and the conservative movement that don't want to bomb children?
Just my hot take.
Yeah, I mean, can't we all just get along?
You would think that the anti-war protesters would be the first people to embrace that, but apparently not.
It is really interesting that what we see is these activist groups who don't seem to actually care about the cause that they're ostensibly supporting.
They're really just there to support left-wing causes from an anti-war perspective.
They're basically marketing to people who are anti-war and then using their anti-war position as the gateway drug to get them into the entire left-wing progressive globalist political movement.
And that's very, very strange.
You would think that they would want this sort of publicity.
You know, the articles about this say that MTG approached the Code Pink protesters so that she could take a picture with them.
It wasn't the other way around.
They didn't approve of it.
She basically violated their picture consent.
And then the protesters immediately called home base and they had to start denouncing this picture that they took together.
You know, we're seeing a couple of different avenues where parts of the MAGA movement, the America First movement, are making some inroads with some of these, you know, commonly more leftist organizations.
They're getting some support from the left in various places.
And the left is having to disavow that.
And we're all just kind of left laughing at this point.
I mean, being anti-war is not some violation of patriotism.
We're seeing this break out over the weekend, and it's strange that this point has to be made.
You know, a lot of people equate patriotism and America first rightly, but then as soon as the military cause becomes one that we're told we must support, then it's no longer America First, then it's no longer patriotism.
Then all of a sudden, we're told patriotism requires us defending these other countries.
And that's not true.
You would think that the anti-war people would be the first to recognize that, but we're seeing a lot of hypocrisy these days.
Well, the thing is that I believe the people on the ground do recognize that, right?
They are well-meaning people.
They're like, hey, here's the microphone.
You know, nobody looked uncomfortable.
Nobody looked like they were being abused in those photographs, right?
But then the people that rise to the top, unfortunately, the scum rises to the top, right?
It's not always the cream of the crop.
It's the cream of the crop for the agenda.
It's the people that have double speak and they say, listen, we can't have this.
This is bad PR when it should be the inverse, the flip side.
People coming together against a conflict that could possibly drive us into World War III legitimately, especially with all the turmoil in the Middle East over the weekend, as we've seen with past global conflicts, when you have pockets of large military conflicts in different arenas, that's a recipe for disaster like we have not seen really in a generation, Chris.
Yeah, I mean, we're getting that recipe replicated all across the world right now in these various globalist proxy states and globalist strongholds.
You know, MTG being against Ukraine funding, that's unacceptable somehow to Code Pink.
Why aren't they announcing that like we are not fans of Marjorie Taylor Green's politics, but we certainly do agree with her on this issue?
It's funny because you got to think that Code Pink is probably a few steps away from actually and actively supporting some of these war efforts in other places.
They are ready to disavow their entire position just to make sure that they're not on the side of America first, it seems.
So we'll see, man.
We're getting a lot of exposure about what people really, really mean underneath all the rest.
And some of these organizations that have been around for a long time, you know, some of the neocons on our side who have preached certain things, we're seeing them really violate all that when the screws are tightened on them.
It's been a really revealing few weeks, and it's been a really revealing few years.
Absolutely.
So I do want to point out that my boy Thomas Massey and Matt Gates actually came together with a bunch of people on the left against cluster munitions a couple weeks ago.
There were plenty of Democrats that spoke out against the use of that military apparatus.
Unfortunately, it failed, but it did show me that at least there were some issues that were anti-war, anti-killing of children that both sides can at least placate to on some level.
And I think that some people like Massey, Gates, and others are actually genuine on.
Now, let's get into Biden.
Let's fast track it.
Joey B hasn't been Joey B for some time.
He's clearly a zombie.
He's clearly Dimension Joe at this point.
I've been calling it out since really before the primaries when we had the debates and he was going 3-0-0-Joe.
He barely talks to the media when he does talk to the media in those nice, well-lit sit-downs.
They're never on the fly and they're highly edited.
And now on the Bill Maher Club Random podcast with Sage Steele, one of those just so lucky enough to interview Joe for the mainstream media.
The veil has been pulled back even further, Chris, in that the guy can barely speak and finish his sentences, Chris.
Yeah, I'm not sure that's breaking news, but it is good that the members of the mainstream media are finally coming out with it and telling the truth about it.
The problem is, of course, there are people in the Democrat power structure and people in the regime power structure from, you know, what we have historically called both sides, Republican and Democrat, that we now can see are just a uniparty.
These people want Joe Biden to be ushered offstage at this point.
He's kind of expired in his usefulness.
You know, he was there to make it seem like the Democrats were presenting a moderate candidate and that the country would actually vote for someone like Joe Biden in order to make sense out of the stolen election in 2020.
And Joe Biden is no longer necessary for that cause.
He is not a person who can make the case for the regime, for the Unit Party, for the Democrat Party.
And they want, it seems, to replace the Biden-Trump matchup with Gavin Newsome and Ron D. Santis.
And so the regime is now happy to do its part in disposing of Joe Biden on their behalf.
That's what it seems like to me.
When they are coming after Joe Biden in places like the Bill Maher show, it seems like a pretty intentional takedown.
Well, let me just say this.
Don't count out Nikki Haley.
There are headlines running today on Business Insider that Nikki Haley is the last hope for the GOP to unite against MAGA and Trump.
And they have pushed her extensively in the debates and in the mainstream media.
And they'd love for her to be the first woman president.
Hey, you think Hillary was bad?
This is Queen Raytheon Lockheed, everybody.
I just want you to know that when we're talking anti-war, that ain't Nikki Haley.
We're going to take a break.
We're going to come back and we're going to talk about, I don't know, German shepherds and not the Nazi ones that, you know, Hitler had.
Instead, we're going to talk about Commander Joe Biden and the Secret Service.
You're not going to want to miss this segment.
Back after this with the final segment of Making Sense of the Madness.
Final segment of Making Sense of the Madness.
And Chris, I'm a dog guy.
I like to have a little fun here and there on the show.
We cover a lot of depressing topics.
But when I think about German Shepherds, I'm going to be honest, I often think of Castle Wolfenstein pre-doom days.
I do think of Nazis, or I think of the civil rights movement and them attacking people on behalf of the police.
I think of them as drug dogs in unjust raids.
I'm a pit bull guy myself, plus too much of a long hair, too wolf-like of a creature.
Perfect for Joe Biden, perfect name of commander.
And I had seen this story surfacing for the past several months.
But when the Daily Mail actually published photographs, we don't have the photographs, folks, but we should have showed them to you of commander actually biting staff and the Secret Service.
I just couldn't help myself.
Seems like the perfect type of an animal for an aging authoritarian with dementia that probably gives him a biscuit and a good boy every time he bites somebody that Joey B doesn't like, Chris.
Yeah, I mean, maybe he's all for it.
Maybe he's protecting Joe and he's the best boy in the whole world because Joe is really enfeebled and he knows Joe can't protect himself.
But that I'm not so sure about because Joe got filmed last week giving Commander a good swift kick in the haunches.
So I don't know if you if you saw that last week, but things are not going well in the Joe Biden dog world.
Joe Biden is a dog of a fake president, though, so it kind of does make sense.
You know, again, I know this isn't the hard-hitting news that we normally cover here, but it just, it's hilarious to me.
I mean, you've got a wayward president clearly not running anything.
I mean, again, not getting into what happened over the weekend in the Middle East, but regardless, anybody else who was in power would have directly gotten on television, even Reagan in his twilight years and made some type of a statement.
They can't roll Joe out like that.
I mean, they've really got to put it on paper, rehearse it, get the amphetamines ready.
You betcha.
I need something a little lighter every once in a while.
But a lot going on in the world.
Today, Kennedy is supposedly announcing his independence.
We just talked about Gavin Newsom, possibly Haley on the other side, and the media now portraying the idea that really Kennedy could siphon more votes from a Trump run than anybody else.
What are your thoughts, Chris?
Well, to me, that sounds absolutely preposterous.
I don't think that when this is all said and done.
I mean, we're talking about what is going to happen a year from now, right?
That's the one thing that I'm always sure to remind people of on my show.
And then whenever we get in conversations about this stuff on Badlands, it's one thing to talk about polls, which we know aren't particularly accurate.
And it's an entirely different thing to understand where people's heads are going to be a year from now.
We have been in a process of not only awakening over these past, you know, three and a half, four years, truthfully, much longer, but that process is actually speeding up as we go along.
And so to think about what we're going to know a year from now about the Ukraine war and about the origins and intent of COVID and the narrative that surrounded it, everything we might know about the vaccines, what we'll know about Taiwan and Israel, what we will know about election fraud, what we will know about the very violent insurrection.
All of these issues that have dominated our public conversation in the United States for the last three and a half years are being exposed more and more by the day.
And so to think that people who might be on the edge right now, you know, maybe they're finally frustrated with Joe Biden.
Maybe they're leaning toward somebody like a Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
In a year from now, when they understand, probably with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s help that our elections are stolen and that Donald Trump really is the duly elected president of the United States of America right now.
I think that people's views are going to be a whole lot different.
And I think that we need to be focused on those emergent views rather than where people are right now, because where people are right now is not where they are going to be a year from now when these decisions are made.
Hopefully, we will not have a month of early voting.
Hopefully, we will have an election day and some absentee voting where it's absolutely necessary.
But the idea that people's opinions about politics, about Donald Trump, about all these candidates are going to be stagnant and going to be where they are right now, that makes no sense to me.
So, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., I think, is doing the job that I expected from the very beginning of this process and said on this show and others that he would be doing.
He's going to be waking up a part of the establishment left that needed it, that for whatever reason didn't wake up throughout COVID.
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Probably the vast majority of them are vaccinated and now wondering why they did that.
He's going to bring them out of that.
He's going to bring them out of some of the climate hysteria.
And he's going to make it very clear to them that our elections are manipulated, rigged, and stolen in this country.
And I think at that point, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is actually going to be bringing people en masse to Donald Trump as the obvious solution to these problems.
And I would hope then that Trump has some sort of position for RFK Jr. to do what he does best, which is pursue corruption in the deep state.
And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. went, by the way, pretty quickly this weekend to a pro-defense of Israel.
We need to give these people whatever they need position.
And ultimately, I don't think that's going to play very well.
So I think he's serving a critical role.
And I've said this from the beginning.
I think he will continue to.
And in terms of stripping away votes from Donald Trump, good luck.
You know, on the Israel issue, I have to agree with you.
And I don't think that that is going to win him any favors with those that are anti-war like myself, because again, you can't give unfettered support to another nation state when you're talking about warfare and entrenching us in another war, no matter what your thoughts are on the issue or what happened over the weekend, really serves no other purpose but to kill more people and consolidate power at the top.
And what more excuses for a militarized police state at home?
Chris, we got a couple minutes left.
What would you like to leave the audience with?
And where can they find your stuff?
Yeah, I would just say to cap that off, you know, you can't exactly critique the neocons while joining them on critical issues of world-changing importance.
For the people out there, you can find all of my stuff at linktree.com/slash I'm your moderator, the podcast in writing, I'm yourmoderator.substack.com.
Thanks, Jason.
Thank you, Chris, and thank you guys for joining me.
Remember, it really is never about left or right, it is always about right and wrong.
And I would just warn people right now before making blanket statements and throwing yourself behind yet another military conflict.
Ask yourself who benefits and why did something like this happen?
How could something like this have happened with modern day intelligence and surveillance and nation states like the United States and Israel working together?
Love you guys, and I will see you all on the flip side.
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