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David Icke Dives Deep Into The AI Astral Plane Of Existence | MSOM Ep. 846

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Nature Of Reality 00:01:33
Welcome to Making Sense of The Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and for the next hour we are going to delve into the very nature of reality, the possible holographic universe and even the alternative media, mainstream style with the legend himself.
David Ike, you're not going to want to miss this one.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
The Dream is the latest book by David Ike and he is taking on the very nature of reality and in doing so, challenging even the alternative media.
David, thank you so much for joining us.
And we were having a conversation off air, kind of to begin the broadcast.
Now, I've been following your work so much for the last really 20 years that yesterday on my morning show, I was actually playing a clip of you giving a lecture in the late 90s, early 2000s about the Bohemian Grove Club and the spiritual nature there of what you would call the elite, I like to call the predator class.
And it really just took me back to a time where you were being vilified heavily then.
Happening Through History 00:16:04
A lot of your stuff has now become mainstream and almost co-opted in a way where a lot of the information you talk about is only taken so far by this new alternative.
And then in doing so, really limits people on their ability to expand their consciousness and look at what's actually going on.
Can you speak to that?
Yeah, the dream, like the trap, my previous book, delves into, so many of my previous books before those have done so, but really focusing now on what is this reality.
And, okay, we can see the Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates level of this.
We can see the financial manipulation and the political manipulation.
But that's not where it ends.
And I've always been driven, I think I may have mentioned last time, by the philosophy quoted or attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates, who said words to the effect of to know is to know you know nothing.
That is the basically the foundation of true knowledge.
And what he was saying there clearly is it's knowing what you don't know that allows you to pursue, to understand what you don't know.
Once you start forming the I've got this, then that's the end of it.
That's the end of the journey.
And what you can then do is start spinning in an eddy in the river and going round and round, repeating the same stuff, while the river, knowledge, insight, awareness, passes you by.
And I have seen what I call the mainstream alternative media, not all of it.
I mean, lots and lots of people within what's called the alternative media who are not the big names, they either get it or are absolutely open to getting it.
And I talk to them all the time, like yourself.
But I'm talking about those on the forefront.
They tend to be five sense centric people looking in with their five senses on a five sense world and thinking they've got it.
Well, you know, they may have some things that are interesting to say and sure, many of them do, I know many of them do but they haven't got it.
For instance, I um I saw a video the other day uh, with Andrew Tate and uh, he said basically that he could predict things because he was talking about the matrix two years ago.
What?
Two years ago.
And you've only got to listen to Andrew Tate to realize he hasn't got a clue what the Matrix is, not a clue.
And almost all of them, these big names have not.
And why haven't they?
Well, for one of two reasons, and I only know which one it is.
One, they can't breach the walls of their five sense intellectual mind to go into the areas and explore the areas which have the answers of what this reality is and what this matrix is, which I go into in detail in the dream.
And the other alternative is, well, if I go there, what will my natural audience think?
And if I mention that bloke Ike, oh my God, being associated with him or saying anything about him that's in any way positive, well, bingo, that's done me in terms of credibility with my audience.
And I've seen this now.
I've seen this over such a long period of time.
And, you know, as I go around the country, Britain, the only country I can go around at the moment, doing a speaking tour, and we have to release the venue to the audience only 90 minutes before to make sure that there's not massive Ferriori that builds up, gets the venue to pull.
I've been really going into some of the things we're going to go into today, really deep stuff.
And the audience are really getting it.
They're really going for it.
They really want to go there.
And I'm finding this, that people that have sort of started to get the eddy level of this, Klaus Schwarz, World Economic Forum and all that stuff.
They say, okay, what's next?
And that's been my drive all the time.
You know, it's that Socrates' quote, which can be said in another way, wisdom is knowing how little we know.
If you realize, and it is a bloody obvious thing, that whatever we know or we think we know at any point in time, there's always more to know.
So my question has always been, so what more is there to know?
And when you keep asking that, you don't get into the eddy.
You're constantly flowing with a river because you know that there's so much more to know.
And what concerns me is that what I call in the dream the barricade of here and no further is being built around the mainstream alternative, which is basically a five sense phenomenon.
And in doing so, it's pulling so many people in, this is what's going on, when what they're talking about is a tiny fraction of what is actually going on.
It's only what they can perceive with the five senses to be going on.
And it's not good that that is happening because to understand the true magnitude of what the Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates level is part of, it is just gophers for, is to understand so much about why the world is as it is, why things are happening as they are, and ultimately how we dismantle this matrix or simulation.
as as i've been calling it since the turn of the millennium.
We've got to know that to understand the game we're playing, because if you don't understand the game, you don't understand the rules of the game, you don't understand those that are actually ultimately driving the game, then you can't possibly win it.
So the game ultimately is our consciousness.
And let me just take you on my journey and what I believe.
So I grew up Christian conservative, at least until I was like 12, 13, and started questioning things.
I think a lot of the modern day audience questioning things comes from that perspective.
Did a full 180, became kind of this atheist teenager into my early 20s.
And then when I really started awakening to the world not being what was told to me via 9-11 and then coming across this quote-unquote new world order that I had scoffed at when I was in church, I began to think things through.
And I'd say at this point, I absolutely believe that there are at least two forces within this universe, holographic or not, and that's good and evil.
And they absolutely exist.
As to whether or not, you know, Jesus existed, and I hope this doesn't offend a lot of the Christian audience here because I'm very sympathetic, God, et cetera, is almost insufficient.
Who cares?
I mean, we're part of this larger consciousness.
To me, good and evil absolutely exist.
The people on the end that are trying to consolidate power and not only take us into a transhumanist, but post-humanist future are often involved in odd occult practices and rituals.
We know that what we see with our visible eyes is just a tiny part of the spectrum of energy all around us.
And David, you've spoken about this numerous times.
Really, love to me is the ultimate truth and truth is the ultimate love.
So that's all I need to know.
I want to be on the side of good, not evil.
That's a real spectrum, a real force.
And I want to be part of that.
So what are your thoughts?
Well, my way of doing things is to always know that whatever I know, there's always more to know.
So I'm always looking for patterns.
If what I'm saying is happening now is happening, then it's not just happening now.
It's been happening through what we call history.
A lot more to know about that.
And therefore, what I started to do when I, in the, by the kind of mid-1990s, I'd started to put together this network I call the global cult, a global network of secret societies, which play this dystopian agenda out.
And we're kind of seeing it more and more, obviously, now, of course.
But my question was, so what is it part of?
Why are they doing it?
You see, there's simple questions to ask.
When you pick up this cult and you start to take it back, you can take it to ancient Babylon and Egypt and the Roman Empire and the European empires, the British Empire when it went global through colonization.
And you think, well, hold on.
People, therefore, have been born into this cult.
They've worked to advance and expand its reach and its impositions.
So now they're global, big time, and then they've died.
And then someone else has come in and they've taken it on and they've died.
So I looked at it and I thought, there's obviously got to be some kind of force that spans this whole what we call period and has been orchestrating it and coordinating it.
People come and go, people go, yeah, but there's a force that has to be coordinated.
Okay.
So then I, you mentioned it there with Bohemian Grove.
I started in the kind of, you know, mid-1990s really focusing on the personnel of this global cult.
And you find again and again that they are involved in Satanism and paedophilia, which are actually connected for reasons I can talk about.
But so these people, who are becoming rich and famous and powerful at the level they work anyway, what are they doing satanic rituals for?
What's going on?
And then I thought, well, hold on a minute.
What they're doing, satanic rituals, the ancients were doing.
They were sacrificing people to, quote, the gods.
And now here we are today with these famous names you see on CNN or whatever doing sacrificial rituals to some gods.
What's going on?
And of course, what you realize when you dive into this is the ancients were worshiping and making sacrifices to the same gods that this lot are now.
So who are these gods?
And then you start to scan ancient societies and you find incredible common themes.
Like an anthropologist or a historian would go along and they look at this culture or that culture or whatever.
And they'd say, oh yeah, they worship them gods and they worship them gods and they worship them gods.
And you go, hold on a minute.
Breath.
Forget the bloody names, mate.
Look at what they're describing and how they're describing them.
And you find they're talking about the same thing.
So you have all these pantheons of gods, like the Greek gods and what have you.
And you realize that they're the same entities that these characters today are doing their sacrificial rituals to.
And then you ask, why?
Obvious question.
That's the word that will open the world up, constantly asking why.
Not what is happening, though, we need to know that, but why is it happening?
So then I – David, we've got to take a break.
This is a good time to take a break because we want to find out the why of these rituals on the other side.
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call kirk elliot phd 720-605-3900 we are back with david ike and we were talking about the ritualistic nature of the cult and their history that have really been in power for generations And in front of me, David, actually, I have this book here.
This is the autobiography of the high priest of the Bohemian Grove, the guy that brought the owl, as you see across seas, George T. Bromley, to illustrate these symbols.
And then this is Men's Party of Earth back in the 70s.
John Vandercy got to come in.
And there you have Pan at the bottom and the owl at the top.
So as you were talking about, they've had different faces, but these people are still doing the same rituals.
Why are they doing these rituals?
Yeah, well, the thing is that those symbols, the reason the occult works with symbolism is because symbolism talks to the subconscious.
You know, we dream when we go into subconscious dreams at night, they're overwhelmingly symbolic dreams.
The subconscious works with symbolism.
And so these symbols are not just there to say, oh, look, it's us.
They're actually speaking to the subconscious.
That's, you know, the things like the pyramid and all-seeing eye.
That's the major reason that they're all around us.
So what happened was that I started looking at these ancient cultures and I started looking at religions.
And it's extraordinary.
Like I say, I'm always looking for patterns because patterns tell you something, because although groups of people may disagree on everything else, they agree on these patterns, these recurring themes.
Symbols Speaking to Subconscious 00:08:04
So I looked at Christianity and they talk about Satan and the devil and the demons.
Okay, so then I look to Islam because Islam is different to Christianity, obviously.
Well, it appears to be, but they talk about Shaitan or Iblis and the jinn.
You then look at the Gnostic belief system.
They talk about the demiurge or Yalda Bayov, the Christian version of the Satan devil, and the Archons.
And then you look at these other cultures and they have a similar theme.
And if you break it down to the foundation of it all, they agree that an unseen force, unseen by humans, is manipulating human society and manipulating human behavior.
So my question is, okay, so who are these?
Who are these?
What's this force?
And then you say, you look at the gods and you see these common themes across the generations of human sacrifice.
It was in the open at one point and then it became unacceptable.
And now they do it underground and in secret.
And you realize that this reality that we call human is absolutely, ridiculously, laughably tiny.
Just very quickly, I mentioned this last time.
This is a crucial point that everyone should know.
But when you look through your eyes, you're not seeing everything in the space you're looking at.
You're just seeing a certain band of frequency and it's tiny.
According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our reality, is 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy and all its forms.
And visible light, which is the only band of frequency we can see, everything we see is in that band of frequency, is a smear, a tiny fraction of the 0.005%.
Some estimate as much as 0.5% for the electromagnetic field, but it's whatever, it's tiny.
So we basically are seeing nothing, just that tiny band of frequency.
And if you like, bleeding into this reality we call human is another dimension of reality, which if you call this the third dimension, you can call that the fourth dimension.
In esoteric circles, it's known as the astral dimension.
And what my research has uncovered over the years, and I go into it in detail, really deeper in the rabbit hole they've ever gone in the dream, is that at this point or close to this point where the frequency of the astral meets the frequency of our reality, that's where these demonic gods are.
And so the question was, obviously, when people were sacrificing humans to the gods of the ancient world, and they're doing it now through this global cult network, what do the bloody gods get out of it?
What?
Okay, it's an offering to the gods.
So what do they get out of it?
And what you realize is, and we can go into this in more detail if you like as we go along, these demonic quote gods, actually morons, are feeding off human energy.
And we are their sustenance.
And because of their nature, their perceptual nature, the nature of what they are and what they do and their state of being, they are in a low frequency state.
Because every time we feel emotion, every time we think, we are projecting frequencies.
This is mainstream science now.
And the nature of the frequency is dictated by the nature of the emotion and the thought.
Therefore, from an emotional point of view, for instance, fear, which is the currency of control that this demonic realm uses to enslave humanity, is a low, slow frequency.
So is anxiety, so is depression, so is resentment, so is regret, all these things, hatred.
And therefore, if these, quote, gods, demonic entities, are going to feed off human energy, then they have to manipulate humans to produce energy within the frequency band that they can absorb.
Because when people feel joy and happiness and love, never the twain shall meet.
It's like radio stations on the old analog system.
They're on different wavelengths.
You can't absorb something that's not on your wavelength.
And so what's happened is that humanity has been manipulated.
We can go deeper into how it's done.
It's absolutely phenomenal and fascinating.
And so all the time, as our world is manipulated for more war and conflict and division and hunger and suffering, and you travel around the world, I've been to 60 odd countries the last 34 years or so.
Vast numbers of the human race are not having a good time.
They're trying to survive another day.
And that is reflected in the energy they're giving off.
Just think of a war.
You've got all the conflict going on and the fear of death going on.
And then you've got the people back home, their loved ones who are fearing that they're not going to come home.
It's just a massive explosion, a war of low vibrational energy, which these entities are feeding off.
And so if you look at the sacrifice part of it and what the gods get from it, it's a focused version of exactly what I've just described.
What they're doing is running rituals that are designed to elicit maximum terror in the sacrifice, the sacrifice person.
And they build it up and they build it up and they build it up.
They use certain colors, frequencies, certain sounds, frequencies to create this frequency atmosphere and to, with other things that they do, to increasingly build the terror in the sacrifice.
And what's happening is that terror is going into the astral dimension, and these gods are feeding off it.
That's the sacrifice to the gods.
That's what it's all about.
And at the same time that this terror is being expressed as a frequency, it's also in the chemical level of the body, if you like, expressing itself as an adrenaline going into the blood.
And the Satanists in our reality who are conducting the ritual, they drink the blood and they get a high for what is like a drug to them of this adrenaline in the blood, adrenochrome, et cetera, all this stuff.
And this is what's going on.
They're both, one's getting the energy of the terror from the blood, the other one, and the adrenaline, the other one's getting it in another dimension from the energy.
And so these sacrifices are literal sacrifices to the gods.
But then the question was, how do they manipulate human society from the hidden?
Satanists and Adrenochrome 00:02:13
David, we got to take another break.
I hate these breaks more than you do, but I want to come back.
I want to talk about that.
I also want to talk about the comparison that you made years and years ago to this unseen universe that feeds on fear to the Hollyweird Pixar Disney production, Monsters Inc., that kind of turned it into a funny cartoon, but very much was trying to maximize fear for energy in another dimension.
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We are back with David.
Icke and David, you were basically just talking about the relationship with this predator class and their occultic rituals, with these unseen entities behind the scenes.
Now These people have really pierced our culture in many ways, through government, through entertainment and especially Hollywood.
When we see something like monsters ink.
Some people have called this a revelation of the method.
Why Monsters Can't Be Seen 00:09:31
Um, do you believe that's what we saw there and why would they do this?
Is this part of the ritual and I, I guess the power share between these things?
Yeah well, i'll just say just very quickly before I come to that, but it's very, which is very relevant really um, that you know when uh, someone is is, is having an emotional response right, you can see it in the body language ah, and if you're sensitive, you can feel these vibes coming off them, but you can't see them.
And you can't see them because that frequency generated by emotion and thought is going into the astral.
That's where you can't see it and, as a result uh, these entities are able to absorb it.
So yeah, the the, the monsters ink um story was, it was a, it was a Disney job um, and you know that the, the symbolism in Disney is incredible.
I mean, everyone's got children, they just switch it off.
But um, the story was for people haven't come across it that there were monsters in the monster world and there were humans in the human world uh, but the monster world did not have a source of energy and I go into this in some of the books deeply why that is.
But they, they don't have a source of energy, so their source of energy was the human world.
So what they used to do every morning they'd go to the?
Um, like the, the energy factory in the monster world, the monster world, the Astral, and all these doors would come down like bedroom doors and they'd stand in.
Each one would have a bedroom door in front of them and they'd walk through the bedroom door and in the, in the other side would be a child asleep and what they would do, uh is uh, terrify the child.
The child would scream fear terror, and they'd catch it in like a tube or something and they go back to the monster world and that would power the, the monster world.
And, and you know, it's like I was watching it with well, with Jamie, my son, big strapping lad now but um, he was a little boy then and I I watched it and I thought this is this is describing what's going on, because I I reached that level of research to understand that by then it was so.
It was so symbolic um, so the question was I I had was, how do they manipulate human society to generate that energy?
And by the way, just as a quick aside, there was a guy some time ago now called Robert Monroe, and he popularized out-of-body experiences and what is called in the esoteric circles astral traveling, where you project your consciousness into the astral realm.
And he popularized that for a series of books.
And he was so good at it that the CIA created a study program around it.
and brought in other people who, um were had the skill to project their consciousness into the astral and they they did a study it's, it's military, as well as the IA and uh, They saw so many Reptilian entities in the astral in this program that they gave them the collective name the alligators, or I've seen the alligators.
And what Monroe said that he learned in these astral travels, if you like, and this is a completely different source to where I've got it all from, he said he learned that there were entities in the astral that were feeding off human energy.
He gave the name of it Loosh.
And what this world is, is a loosh farm.
We are being loosed.
And how it's done is that we are living in a completely fake reality, which is the equivalent of a virtual reality simulation of great advancement compared with the ones we now know about.
And it's designed to manipulate human behavior, manipulate human perception to the point where we become generators of this low vibrational energy.
And it's such a wonderful phrase out of the Matrix movie, the first one.
It's one of the most truthful statements ever made, I would say, in an apparently non-fiction movie.
When Morpheus, the character, held up a battery and said, The Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these.
And that is pretty much what this world is.
It's a trap and it's an induced dream and induced in ways I describe at length in the book.
So, what is the simulation?
What is the matrix?
Well, it's not a physical construct because if you break it down and go into quantum physics, there is no physical.
It's a field of information.
And what is so blatantly obvious to me now, and has been for a while, is that this technological world that's coming in, whether it's holographics or whether it's computerization, whether it's AI and virtual reality, they're all mimicking technologically the reality that we're experiencing and we think is real and natural and how things are.
So, if you take this field of information, the matrix, and you relate it very accurately, the principles exactly the same to a Wi-Fi field, and you've got in the Wi-Fi field all this information, a worldwide reality.
And if you said to people who knew nothing at all about computers that there is a field of information in the room that you can tap into in South Africa, in New Zealand, in America, in London, anywhere, and you can manifest a worldwide reality, they would say, You're bloody mad, mate.
What are you talking about?
But if you say that now to people who know about computers and know about Wi-Fi, they would say, Oh, yeah, Wi-Fi, yeah, I know about that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And the only difference between, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know about that, and you're mad, mate, is knowledge, which is why it's fundamental to this whole global conspiracy to enslave humans in a dystopia is to keep from us the knowledge that we need.
And that's why I am getting more and more vehement about the way the mainstream alternative media is not going into that area of knowledge that it needs to understand.
I think there's people in there that know that's the game and are serving it.
And there's other people in there who simply don't know that this exists and it's all a bit far out for them, so they won't go there.
But the alternative media needs to open its bloody mind to the vastness of perceptual manipulation, because all this censorship that's going on in the world of the scene, more and more, obviously, it's to stop you getting there and realizing what the game really is.
That's what it's for.
And so you have this field of information.
Okay, so let's look at Wi-Fi and a computer.
What the computer's doing is it's programmed to lock in to part of this radiation field we call Wi-Fi and to decode it onto the screen.
So what you would say to people, tell me about the internet, they say, oh, well, it's videos and it's graphics and it's words and it's colors, et cetera, on the computer screen.
Yes, it is, but only on the screen.
That's the only place the internet exists in that form.
Everywhere else, it's a Wi-Fi field and electronic circuits.
And what the computer's doing is decoding that information into a completely different form on the screen.
Now, it's on the screen.
It's not here.
It's not there.
It's not there.
It's on the screen, which means what?
It's inside the computer.
It's inside the computer.
Well, that, what I've just described, is mimicking exactly the reality that we're experiencing.
I've been calling this body since the 1990s a biological computer.
And we can talk about what biological really is as well.
Fixed Indexed Annuities Explained 00:02:14
David, we've got to take another break.
I hate doing it.
I hate doing it.
We've got to take another break.
But yeah, it is really a revelation once you break it down that way.
And now modern day Wi-Fi and computers is a great illustration.
But before that, our airwaves that brought us television and radio, these are invisible wavelengths that contain information.
When we get back, I also want to talk about the esoteric knowledge that those in power, in control, the predator class, thinks that they know and are receiving from these entities on the other side.
The book is the dream, and we'll be back with David Icke after this.
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Virtual Reality Control 00:14:57
We are back with David Icke.
And David, you were just talking about suppressing information to the masses and creating not only a virtual reality with a headset, but a virtual reality via the media we consume to control those masses.
But those that think that they're at the top of the pyramid doing these rituals, communicating with these entities, what's in it for them?
What's the promise?
Well, if I could come to that in a second, if I just finished this point, which goes on from the computer decoding Wi-Fi, in effect, that's how we're creating our reality.
And this is mainstream science now.
But they just don't put the dots together.
They're too busy competing for funding and prestige.
The five senses, which is the point at which we connect with this simulation field, they are decoding wave field information, waveform information, frequencies.
That's what they're doing.
I mean, you know, sound waves being decoded by the ears.
That's pretty bloody obvious, but all the senses do that.
And what they do is they turn those frequencies into electrical signals, which they communicate to the brain.
The eyes are the same.
And there's different areas of the brain that specialize in decoding the different senses.
And then the brain puts together a reality that we perceive as the external world.
But it's not.
It's in here.
It's being decoded by the body.
And, you know, imagine this.
If you look at virtual reality games, just go on the internet and find some compilations of people with headsets on, right?
And all it, what is it?
It's a headset.
And some of the more sophisticated ones have the gloves, which are tapping into the touch senses and the ears, the audio for the hearing senses.
What are virtual reality games doing?
They are tapping into and overriding the five senses.
So instead of decoding an empty room, which you're actually standing in, they're now decoding a bloody lion or a tiger coming at you or some demon.
And you look at the reaction of people.
It's extraordinary.
They are screaming, they are jumping around, they're falling over.
And all they've got is a headset on.
And what they can do is take the headset off.
And they go, pew, it was just a game.
But what if this was your headset?
That actually the body is encoded to decode the matrix.
And if consciousness gets trapped in the body, believing that's all it is, then whatever the matrix is feeding it as a reality, it's going to believe is real.
It's going to believe it's actually what it seems to be.
And so then imagine this.
You're in the womb and your developing headset, body, decoding system is developing.
You come out of the womb, your parents have got headsets on, bodies.
All your siblings have got headsets on.
You go to school, teachers have got headsets on.
College, university, professors, academics, headsets on.
Turn on the news.
Hello, good evening, welcome.
Here is the news.
Guy with a headset on.
You go to work and all the people around you have got headsets on.
The scientists have got headsets on.
The academics have got headsets on.
The medical profession have got headsets on.
You are going to go from womb to tomb, believing that that reality is real, not only because it's being fed to you, but because everyone else is confirming that that's how things are.
And when you start to expand, what it is, it's moving your point of attention.
If your point of attention, energy flows where attention goes, is only in the five senses, then you're in the matrix and you're of the matrix.
Everything you are getting and perceiving is from the matrix.
But when you move your attention into your true eye, consciousness, and the more you move it in, you eventually breach the walls of the simulation.
You start to see things you could never see before, because now you're not in the world and of the world.
You're in the world because you can't be not in the world if this is not decoding the matrix.
But you're not of the world in terms of your perceptions.
And that's called awakening.
That's what awakening is.
And so we are living in a world where, of course, if you go down to the level of censorship and all that and control of information, they are manipulating our perceptions by controlling information.
But what's being missed is the entire reality is controlling our perceptions.
It's controlling people's perceptions of who they are, their self-identity, of what the world is, what's all happening is and what it means.
When actually the picture is vastly, vastly greater than you're seeing at the level of the human world.
And you've got to keep asking the question why and keeping your mind open to get deeper and deeper into what's happening before you can realize the scale of what's going on.
And why is this important?
Okay, what this reality is, as I've been describing, is an induced dream.
We're being fed information that's giving us a dream world that's not real, but we experience it very much as real.
And if you're having a dream, say you're asleep at night, and you believe the dream is real, then all your emotions and your thoughts are being dominated by the fact you think it's real, whether it's fear, whether it's falling off a cliff, whether it's this or that, whatever it is, you're emotionally reacting and mentally reacting to the dream.
Now, I don't know if you've had these dreams.
I have them all the time.
I'm sure many, people do.
Where you have a dream, but you know it's a dream.
You know it's a dream.
And what happens then is you take a step back and you're observing the dream because you know it's a dream.
And what happens then?
You're not getting emotionally pulled in.
You're not getting mentally pulled in.
You become the observer.
And what's the observer?
It's consciousness.
And What I'm saying in the dream is that what we call mind is actually an AI program running through the biological computer.
No, not AI as we know it, because AI as we know it is only where it is now in the human world.
What I've kind of learned over the period of writing these books is that the astral, the entire, the astral is part of the matrix.
This is one level of it.
That's another level of it.
That's the level that people call the spirit world.
And beyond it is infinity.
But what is running this entire matrix is not people pressing buttons.
It's AI.
AI is running it.
But a level of AI, astral AI, I call it, which is phenomenally greater in advancement than anything we see even now in the public arena.
And what's happening, if we just think about it, all this technology is coming in.
And they have front people like Gates and Bryn and Paige at Google and all that stuff.
Oh, yeah, this is how it came about.
Oh, well, that didn't make it.
It's a cover story.
It's coming out of the underground bases.
It's coming out of the secret projects.
Actually, ultimately, it's coming out of the astral into this reality.
This is why the simulation reality that we experience is being mirrored by the AI computer reality that's coming in.
It's because the same force is behind both of them.
And so as you look at the body, the biological computer, running through it is this what I call astral AI mind.
And that is running your life from cradle to grave if you don't become conscious beyond it.
Then that's awakening.
Then you start to see it.
If you're only in astral AI mind, as I call it, you're in the program and of the program.
And so your life is basically dictated by the program.
And you basically become in that state, what is known in virtual reality games as a non-player character.
A non-player character is someone who's run by the game.
They're not influencing and impacting on the game.
They're being completely run by the game.
And that's what happens if you're only in AI mind.
And you know, whether you've ever experienced this, I mean, lots of people have.
There's a lot of these kind of spiritual things, courses and what have you do it, where you just take a step back consciously and you observe your thoughts.
And as all that chatter's going on, which you thought was you, oh, then she said, and then they said, and then I said, oh, have you heard about the light?
Oh, my God, all that stuff, all that chatter.
But you're observing the chatter now.
How can I be observing the chatter?
I thought that was me.
No, no, that's astral AI mind.
That's the program.
What's observing it is consciousness that is outside the program.
And so this is what awakening is.
We're actually awakening from this software program.
It's basically what it is that we call mind.
And this is why if you look at all these spiritual, various expressions of so-called spirituality, again and again, the Eastern religions and others, the new age, which is just the Eastern religions gone west, they'll say to reach a state of enlightenment, you've got to get beyond your mind.
So my question was, what's the bloody mind then?
What is this barrier?
They're all talking about.
You have to get over to reach enlightenment.
It's AI.
It's astral AI.
And to get on to enlightenment, you have to go into consciousness.
We've got to take one more break, David.
When we come back, I want to talk again what we can do as human beings to expand this consciousness.
And really, what is the meaning of life?
What should we be focusing on?
And to me, it's fighting evil no matter where it is.
David Ike is our guest.
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Final segment with David.
David, we got about six minutes left in the broadcast.
And you've described essentially that you have this group of people that are working with these entities to bring this technology into fruition as much as possible here to suppress the consciousness of the general population, in turn being promised power over it.
So what should we be doing as the common person living our lives to expand our consciousness and really fight this evil?
Well, first of all, I would say don't believe you're a common person.
They don't exist except in our perceptions of ourselves, little me and all that stuff.
I've got no power.
All you have.
But the problem is you haven't got any power, you think, in your life, because you keep giving it to other people, not least authority.
And don't fight them.
Don't fight them.
You see, this matrix, I mean, I go into this in the books, is basically an electrical system.
It's an electrical electromagnetic system.
And it depends upon polarity.
Its whole foundation is polarity.
So if someone's doing something, then what you have to do is fight them so that you create a polarity.
You've got the push and you've got the resistance to the push.
And it's all a big electrical circuit, which we're being manipulated into perpetuating.
Instead of fighting them, we stop cooperating with them.
They can't do anything unless we acquiesce to it.
There's billions of people in this reality that are being manipulated.
And the number of people in full knowledge who are doing the manipulation is bloody tiny.
Therefore, they can't do it without our acquiescence without us obeying them.
So we stop obeying them.
Instead of saying, I've got to fight you, you go, not doing it.
No, no, not doing it.
You're going to do this.
No, not going to do it.
And in that way, you dismantle the system.
The whole system is based on the idea that authority has power over the level below you, or below them, rather, down to you, the population in general at the bottom.
And the point is, authority has no power.
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These demonic entities have no power.
Even on the energetic sustenance level, they need us.
We don't need them.
We don't need them at all.
And in the same way, if we stop giving our power to authority in the form of acquiescence, the whole system breaks down.
They cannot do it.
And they know that.
They're terrified of people awakening to where the real power not only is, but has always been.
It's with the population.
And they manipulate us to give our power away to them.
And then they recycle it back against us.
And we think, well, they've got power.
No, no, they're recycling the power you just given to them.
And so that's the way I would say we need to dismantle this system is stop cooperating with it and stop doing what authority tells us.
Because if you look at a pyramid and you've got at the top this tiny inner core of this global cult, this global cult that I talk about and I describe, that is the way that these demonic entities operating in another frequency wavelength to our world.
It's through that this cult that they impose their will upon this world.
That's what they're doing.
And the hierarchy structure means that the vast majority of people who are every day seeking to impose the will of the upper levels upon the population have no idea there is an upper level.
There is a cult.
They're just doing whatever they're bloody told.
So the sequence that allows the few to control the many is very simple.
The top you have the inner core of the cult, which is you could get them in a single room.
And then they impose their will on the next level and they impose their will on the next level.
And each level acquiesces to the will of the level above and imposes on the level below.
And very quickly after you come down from that pyramid peak, you're meeting levels of the hierarchy have no idea there is a cult.
I have no idea there's anything.
But they're just allowing themselves to be imposed upon and then imposing that on the level below them in the hierarchy.
And it comes down to the general population.
And if we acquiesce to the impositions that that level that is imposing upon us, which is governments, government agencies, et cetera, et cetera, then we complete a circuit, an electrical circuit in effect, between the inner core of the cult and the population in general, billions, in which the will of the cult in a circle is imposed upon the billions.
This is how it works.
And we need to break that cycle.
And how you break it is very simple.
You stop acquiescing.
You stop allowing people you perceive as your superiors in the hierarchy to tell you what to do.
If it's not right, if it's not fair, if it's not just.
No, I'm not doing it.
And I'd say this to police officers in uniform and military people in uniform.
What the bloody hell are you doing?
You've got children.
You've got grandchildren.
And you, by just blindly, mindlessly just accepting orders and doing them, you are creating a dystopia for your own families, for goodness sake.
And you are going to be replaced eventually and your successors by artificial intelligence.
Increasingly, that's what's happening because artificial intelligence is designed to overcome the big flaw in this whole deal for this demonic realm.
And that's humanity, David.
That's humanity awakening to consciousness.
So this is why they want to connect the human brain to AI.
Thank you, Mr. Musk.
This is why they're doing that.
David, we've got to fill up.
I want to go.
Listen, I could do another hour with you on this must the whole nine.
We're out of time.
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It's always about right and wrong.
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