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Just Stand Up With Leigh Dundas! | MSOM Ep. 845

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Juries Get It Wrong? 00:15:09
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness and for the next hour we're going to be talking to the author of Just Stand Up Lee Dundas.
I see her often over at the Reawaken America Tour.
You're not going to want to miss this one.
Buckle up and get ready to make sense of the madness.
Now I'm going to say something controversial even though I'm being taped.
Juries get it wrong a lot.
That's my own opinion.
I do only civil trials, personal injury cases, contract disputes.
But I've had situations where like, oh my, my heaven's sake, how could they have thought that?
Well, I have a tool that I can deal with.
It's called jury notwithstanding the verdict.
Judgment notwithstanding the verdict.
I can say there is no possible way that a reasonable jury would have reached that conclusion.
And all right, am I following the law or am I making law?
Okay, I'm following law.
I'm an impartial referee, but it's hard to factor out my own emotions.
And I have tools.
Somebody can say, well, Your Honor, you have to throw out this case because it's just like another case.
Well, is it just like another case?
What if the defendant was wearing a red sweater instead of a blue sweater?
Oh, and by the way, I worked for the Columbia Daily Spectator for a couple of weeks.
What happened was I went there every day and I wrote a few stories.
One I got criticized on because I wrote that some Ku Klux Klanners had murdered some people and I was told, you can't say that.
How do we know?
You aren't there.
Well, that was what everybody thought.
Anyway, yeah, we should have absolute immunity.
What if we defame somebody?
That's how it usually comes up.
You know, you call somebody a murderer or a heroin addict, that sort of thing, a pedophile.
And if it's done in court, yeah, I think we should have absolute immunity.
So the judge presiding over the civil case against Trump in New York City feels that he has absolute immunity, can overrule juries, has tools in his toolbox to fit his emotions and doesn't care if the cases are the same, if the sweaters are different colors.
That's how law should work and to talk about that.
And much more is human rights attorney and author Lee Dundas.
Lee, this is the kind of judge that you want to see presiding over your cases, correct?
Well, thanks for having me on, Jason.
You know, my answer to your question is, you know, it depends on which side of the equation you're sitting.
You know, if the judge is going to override the jury's ruling and issue a verdict notwithstanding the judgment in your favor and you're the guy who wants it, then it's a thing of beauty, no?
But if we take a step back, is it really a thing of beauty?
You know, if you can get a jury or a judge to come to the wrong conclusion, so you as a murderer walk free, or so you as the evildoer in a civil lawsuit for money damages, don't have to pay the damages for, you know, running over somebody's three-year-old child while you were high on methamphetamines or, you know, drunk as a skunk, is that a good thing?
Obviously, the answer is no, it's not a good thing.
The tool that the judge was describing is not really new.
It's called Judgment Notwithstanding the Verdict.
And what it means is, you know, the jury can go all the way through trial.
You can have this group of people who are supposed to be your peers rendering their best conclusion as to right or wrong in the case, whether you should be guilty or not guilty, whether you should be liable or not liable based on the evidence presented.
And the jury's job is supposed to be to apply the law that the judge briefs them on, essentially during the trial, to the facts of the case and come up with the right result.
But yes, there is a tool in our legal system. where a judge can say, if no reasonable jury could have ever, ever, ever, ever come to this conclusion, then I am going to insert my judgment in lieu of a jury of 12 of your peers to come to the right result.
It's been in existence a long time.
Legal scholars far and wide on both sides of the fence agree that you should really not ever, ever be using it except in the most egregious of circumstances because it threatens the entire judicial system.
I mean, why even have juries if you can just have a dictator in the form of a judge come in and say, no, we're going to ignore your deliberations and that two weeks of work you put into the case to come up with what you thought was the right result.
It absolutely seems like a total inversion of reality.
And to have this judge presiding over a civil case in the Trump saga before all these other criminal cases doesn't really bode well with me.
What is obviously you look at those cases and they don't really have legal standing, obviously.
But because of the corrupt places that they're taking place, New York, D.C. in particular, the RICO suit in Georgia that is already finding people guilty before trial, Giuliani in particular.
These aren't good signs, Lee.
So what do you think is going to happen in the next coming months with these cases?
You know, I think it's anybody's guess.
I'm a bit of an eternal optimist, and I'm probably not the best person to ask because I, you know, if a glass is halfway up, I'm going to call it half full every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
And that's despite working in third world countries, banana republics that have coup d'etats every six and a half years like Thailand does, where I was actually on the ground for one of their last big coups in February of 2014.
But, you know, I think it could go either way.
How should it go is really the question we need to be asking ourselves.
And how should it go is exactly as you described.
None of these cases have any merit in my humble estimation any more than you can invite people into a building and then arrest them for trespass.
Or, you know, I was on a podcast last week.
It was with a pastor out here in California.
We had both been at the capital, our capital here in Sacramento in spring of 2020 when Gruesom Newsom ran a damned riot line, you know, ordered his California Highway Patrol goons, his SS squad, back into the building, told them to strip out of their regular patrol clothes, put on their riot gear, get on their horses.
And he literally did a sweep and ran a riot line against a bunch of people, you know, breastfeeding moms, World War II veterans in their little scooters who were like 100 years old, all of whom, you know, our only crime was what?
Sitting on the lawn after he'd invited us in.
It was not cordoned off, holding signs that said, let us work as if we were living in a darn, you know, North Korea or other communist country.
That was our sin or our crime.
And as you well know, that isn't supposed to be a crime, not in America.
In America, we've had the First and Second Amendment for longer than we can shake a stick at it.
But this is the new America.
It is a communist subculture in many of the states.
And the judges are no exception.
We had judges out here in California on the bench who were changing their party affiliation from Republican to anything but Republican in the first couple months of 2020.
Now, I'm not talking after everything got bad.
I'm talking May of 2020, before all the big lockdowns, really, before all the masking, before all the vax mandates.
And, you know, yet we have all these lawyers who keep rushing to the courthouse steps and they're saying, oh, I'm going to file one more lawsuit.
And I'm like, really?
In a blue county, in a blue state, you're going to ask a judge who was too damn afraid to stay with his party affiliation that he had been a registered voter of for the last 40 years.
You're going to bet the house on that guy ruling in your favor on getting your kids back in class and without a mask and without a vaccine mandate.
That's not your guy.
These are yellow, yellow-bellied cowards in many, many cases.
Judges, you know, we have a saying that says, courts of law follow courts of public opinion.
And that saying is spot on.
Judges, by and large, are not leading the charge.
They're the ones stecking for cover.
They're in their gowns.
They have their gavels.
They have their accoutrements.
They have their well that keeps everybody seven, ten feet away from them.
And they sit there in their ivory towers, ideally applying the actual law to the actual facts without any sort of obfuscation or funny business.
But these are not the people who are our Navy SEAL mentality.
And it's a problem when you are asking a broken system to become the knight in shining armor.
And that is why for the last 42 months, you have seen me, despite having litigated for 30 years in California here, file exactly pretty much zero lawsuits and instead do things like nationwide convoys, nationwide walkouts, and make TV ads featuring Holocaust survivors to beat down our board of supervisors into getting rid of the vaccine passports.
They weren't going to listen to us legislatively.
We weren't going to win going in on a lawsuit saying, hey, we don't want to be a Warsaw ghetto.
Don't do a vaccine passport system here in the county or here in the state.
We were going to lose those.
And the writing was on the wall.
So I didn't go to the court and I didn't go to the legislature.
I made a TV ad that said, hey, this is a Holocaust survivor who spent five years in a concentration camp under Nazi Germany's Hitler.
And she has some words of advice for us.
And she told everybody on CNN Fox and MSNBC once an hour for 30 seconds from 4 p.m. to midnight for two weeks.
She told everybody what a bad plan this is.
And that is what got our county on the run.
But we have to ask ourselves, what kind of a country are we living in?
And are we going to continue to try to use first world toolkits to answer what is essentially a third world problem where the court system is broken and in many cases, the legislative branches, and in many, many cases, our executive branches as well.
So I think it's so important to emphasize that you come from the field of the actual legal court system.
And now you've had to pivot into what the court of public opinion through media and really civil disobedience and activism.
We've got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about how you got into that legal system, how you began to travel throughout third world nations, and then talk about the comparisons that you've seen there that are coming home here to the United States.
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I read a few people wrong, and that's my fault, but I learned from that.
And I think I'll be a more effective messenger as a result of that.
That'll free me up to do the next chapter, the next stage of my evolution, which is OMG, which is decentralizing journalism.
And sometimes things happen for a reason.
That's my goal.
That's my mission.
And I didn't ask for that mission.
I'd ever thought that would be my mission.
It just has become my mission.
And I'm excited about it.
We are back with author and activist Lee Dundas.
And Lee, let's go back to the beginning.
You know, you decide you want to get involved into the legal arena, human rights in particular.
How did you make that decision and take us on that journey?
Yeah, well, originally I wanted to be a dolphin trainer at SeaWorld.
But, you know, best laid plans of mice.
And then I suck at math and science.
And obviously, I'm decent on the microphone with words, whether it's by pen or by mouth.
So I ended up in law school.
I got in when I was 17 years old.
I had skipped high school, gone to college early.
And then I went and I litigated for white shoe law firms representing Fortune 100, 500 companies.
A lot of those companies were the 800-pound gorillas on the block.
They were chemical manufacturers, pesticide manufacturers.
I was doing environmental law.
And when you're working at a large firm and they're paying you the equivalent in today's society of $1,500 an hour instead of $250 an hour, they expect the best and the brightest.
They expect outside-the-box creative legal strategies.
But rest assured that it's not Greenpeace who's your client because they can't afford you.
And that left me with a fair amount of cognitive dissonance because left to my own devices, I'm a, you know, save the whales, hug a tree kind of girl.
And I felt guilty about the work I was doing.
But I got to say, I think looking back, God puts you in the places he wants you because I was certainly nobody's fool when 2020 came around.
I knew big pharma and a lot of these big companies were not doing God's work.
They were doing the devil's work because I had been in charge of, you know, keeping their duty secrets and trying to get them out of their legal fiascos for many, many, many years.
But 10 years ago, I got a chance to really make amends for my early career.
I was offered the job of general counsel to an anti-sex slavery nonprofit that was running, you know, former Navy SEAL type guys into brothels in third world countries and, you know, overseas.
And they were looking to open up a Southeast Asia office in the Thailand-Cambodia region.
I met them actually initially in Vietnam when we were traveling with my eight-year-old daughter and fell in love with the group, fell in love with their mission, fell in love with the work, came home from our travels overseas with a job as general counsel, which sounds like I'd be typing a lot.
But in reality, I was doing things like ordering big chunky wristwatches that had video, audio recording devices built into them so that when we would send our SWAT-trained guys or Navy SEAL-trained guys into the brothels in Southeast Asia to pose as buyers, you know, saying they wanted to buy a seven-year-old for sex from a mama-san, they could be rolling video, rolling audio by way of their little, you know, hidden cameras.
And we were working with those third world governments, the non-corrupt portions of those governments, in an attempt to bring down the brothels, get the girls out, get them help and put the bad guys away, both the mafia traffickers and, you know, the buyers.
Street Gathers for Free Speech 00:09:01
As much as we want to demonize sex traffickers, I got news for your audience.
Nobody would be selling girls for sex if there ain't anybody buying, right?
So you want to fix the child sex slavery problem.
You need to handle the demand side of the equation and teach boys when they grow up they don't buy people for sex or any other reason, as well as fixing the supply side of the equation.
So you also talked about being witness to third world coups.
Can you talk about that?
Yeah, well, it's kind of different in these countries.
You know, You go over there, and if you were born and raised in California, like I was, uh, you know, a little Caucasian soccer mom to an eight-year-old, it's a bit of an eye-opening event.
Uh, the town that we worked in was in the deep south of Thailand, and uh, on the Thai side, it's generally Buddhist, there's a lot of Islamic influence, but on the Malaysia side of the border, where this brothel town sits, it sits on the river that divides the two countries, and on the other side of the river sits radical jihadi terror training cells.
And these are the same outfits that you see in the Mideast that teach suicide bombers how to go in and hit the USS Cole or you know, the Twin Towers or whatever the new target is.
So, um, the first year that I think I worked there was 2013, and we had 330 bombs go off that year because that's how these guys keep their skills sharp, that's how they learn, and they need something to blow up.
Oh, what's what's what's good fodder for target practice today?
Well, let's shoot over the river and aim at the child brothels.
So, as if the town doesn't have enough to contend with, you've got 140 child brothels, nothing else in it, you know, every day of the week and twice on Sunday, except for about one month out of the year down there.
You've got literal actual bombs going off, and it gets pretty dicey.
But I, you know, in fall of 2013, leading into early 2014, I was actually in Bangkok as often as not.
And Bangkok was supposed to be our safe zone.
You know, it was supposed to be the area where you could walk outside the hotel and, you know, there weren't bombs going off.
But one day I walked outside of my hotel and there were tanks on the street.
And the streets were absolutely on fire.
And this is what it looked like.
You know, tanks on the street.
You see the military up here.
They're the green hats in the middle.
And there's a sea of people surrounding them.
And that was their 2014 coup d'etat that was kicking off.
And when people say, wow, I didn't know Thailand had coupes every six years.
Why is that?
I say, well, it's really simple.
It's an election integrity issue.
They lost the right to elect those who would serve them.
And so every six, seven years, five years, whatever it is, the only way they can get a new governing crew in place is by way of violence.
And let it be a lesson to you.
Our forefathers were very, very smart when they set up our three branches of government that are supposed to be separate but equal, and our First Amendment.
And as a backstop to all of that, our Second Amendment.
Very few countries ever, prior to our system of government, no country in the world had our system of government.
But even since then, very few countries have our system of government.
And make no mistake, I think, you know, Patrick Henry, who was one of my great-grandfathers, but all of his compadres, right, his Confederates at the time, were brilliant.
They gave us the right to gather, the right to free speech, the right to free exercise of religion.
And free speech wasn't designed to protect the majority opinion.
They don't need protection.
They're in the majority.
It was designed to protect the minority vice, the right to criticize the government.
And that is a thing of beauty.
It's unlike most other countries in the world.
And you rapidly realize that when you go into these third world banana republics, communist countries, formerly communist countries, and Thailand's not currently communist, but it may as well be because they're having to have a coup d'état every six years to get a new, like I said, a new system of government in place.
And they are out there on the street, as you saw, shoulder to shoulder, cheek by jowl, not an inch to spare, clawing at tanks with their bare fingernails and pulling fully automatic weapons with nothing but their hands.
And you look at that and you go, wow, that is what it means to show up and fight for your freedom.
So I love all of my soccer moms and dads in the country.
And I know we're doing a far sight better now than we were four years ago.
But when you tell me you had a good turnout at the school board meeting, let me give you a new bar to aim for.
Unless it looked like the picture in my book, you got a ways to go.
You got a ways to go.
But at the same time, you know, you talked about the branches of government.
Most people in this country, I bet if you straight up ask them what the three branches are, couldn't tell you that there's a judicial, an executive, and a legislative, and basically how there was a checks and balances system, because that checks and balances system, one, has been eroded.
Number two, we've never emphasized that.
We certainly no longer emphasize the fourth estate outside of government, which is really built upon free speech.
And that's the media that is now really in lockstep with whatever the mainstream government narrative is.
And a lot of that to me has to do with the fact that we've let an executive within an executive grow and become out of control post-World War II.
To the fact, you know, some people will call it the deep state.
But you have this element that we out of hand say is unaccountable with black projects and sites and really our military industrial complex and their private contractors in general.
I mean, would you agree with that assessment?
And how, in what is now very apparently and could be, we'll see what happens in 2024, a banana republic-like state with an installed dementia patient and a militarized DC after January 6th, you know, how do we take it back short of clawing attacks?
You know, the answer is as simple as can be, and that is you exercise your right to speak and to gather prior and forcefully, and I mean peacefully, but I mean en masse when I say forcefully, before you have no right to do that, right?
So these encroachments that we see against censorship, against the right to gather, are not innocuous.
And we need to firmly, peacefully resist them.
When you look at all of the times in history where there was a big sort of watershed moment when women got the right to vote, when black children got the right to go to school with white children and sit at soda counters and ride at the front of the bus, that was a judicial case, yes, that was heard, but it was after the people had sort of tilled the soil for many, many months and years, in many cases prior to that.
And I was talking to a guy who's really good at math.
I think you've probably heard of him.
What's his name?
Why am I blinking right now?
Anyway, it'll come to me.
The inventor of email.
And he said, you know, when we do an analysis on these watershed moments in time, where there was a big step forward, what we find is that the tipping point is not 51%.
It is 3.5%.
And when 3.5% of the people on the ground in society believe black children should go to school with white children, when 3.5% of the men agree, along with the women, that women should have the right to vote, that is where the tipping point is in society.
And that is when you start to see the judges come out and make the right rulings and the legislatures and the executive branches, you know, agreeing and all that jazz.
And what that is saying, reduced to its essence, is that we, the people, have the power.
We always have.
It's what Margaret Mead said.
She said, never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can save the world, for indeed we're the only ones who ever have.
And that is what you see in third world countries as well as first world countries.
When a group of people set their mind to something, there is no holding them back.
And if all of the Germans on the ground had just stood up to Hitler in the beginning and said, you know what, Hitler, we're not doing this.
We think you're crazy.
We think this is a schizophrenic, delusional idea that we would be baking our neighbors just because they're a different religion than us, you know, or you think they carry typhus because that was the alleged excuse given, right?
That we would bake them in ovens when yesterday we were breaking bread and having back-to-school nights or whatever the equivalent was in 1938.
We're not doing this.
Hitler would have just been another crazy loon standing on the street corner screaming at the sky.
The problem with the Holocaust wasn't Hitler.
And don't get me wrong, I'm not giving him a pass.
That man was evil to the core and deserved everything that came his way.
But the problem with the Holocaust was the group of people who signed off on a crazy man's plans.
And that is always, that is always the problem.
So the short and the long answer to your question is: how do we get out of this fix?
By exercising our First Amendment, by exercising our First Amendment rights, and by standing up and by flipping our school boards.
The Group That Signed Off 00:03:47
And yes, it can be done.
Shasta County out here in California got rid of Dominion.
We have billionaires I know now on our side of the fence who are putting in dinos, you know, Democrats or independents in name only.
You can take back these school boards.
A lot of times, though, it doesn't involve what first world moms and dads want to hear.
You know, people come to me eight days a week and say, oh, are you going to file a lawsuit to get the health officer who made the mask mandate, you know, to get her rocked back on her heels?
And I look at the law in California, and it's a bad law.
We never should have enacted it, but we're stuck with it now until something changes.
And basically, it gives that woman carte blanche to do whatever the heck she wants during a public health emergency.
So I took one look at the law and I was like, we're not going to win, even if we get a reasonable judge.
Plus, right now we have scared judges.
This is a bad plan.
People are like, well, what are you going to do?
I'm like, I'm going to call a bunch of retired cops I know and PIs and figure out who this woman is.
Because our Orange County health officer had been installed literally like three weeks before COVID hit in the middle of the other guy's term.
Nothing suspicious there.
And I called all my people that I used to work with in the trafficking world and I said, I want to know who this girl is.
And they came back to me and they said, yeah, she has no clinically relevant experience at all.
And for the first eight years out of medical school, her sole claim to fame is she was running her mother's methadone clinic and writing suboxone prescriptions to heroin addicts in Utah.
And I was like, she was doing what?
And they were like, yeah, it wasn't illegal.
It wasn't exactly unethical.
But let me tell you, it was a bitter pill for the 3.2 million residents here in Orange County who are largely conservative.
Yeah, the woman who's making decisions about your public health has no relevant experience.
And all she did was handing out opiates to opiate addicts for almost 10 years.
I just put that on blast.
I made that known.
We went to, you know, right in front of her house.
We held signs that made that known.
We got big signs made that we hung on U-Hauls.
We grabbed some bullhorns from the Walmart section and we stayed there.
The next day she resigned.
And people were like, wow, how'd you get rid of her?
She took her mask mandate with her.
And I said, well, I didn't go to court because I would have lost there.
So name and shame programs work.
They work incredibly well.
The first time I heard this was in the trafficking context.
I'll wrap this up.
I know it's a long answer.
It was St. Petersburg, Florida, about 15 years ago.
And they were having a huge problem with men buying girls for sex.
And none of the stuff they were doing was working.
So one day, some genius in law enforcement said, you know what?
In addition to busting these guys, we're going to take a big, nice mugshot of their face and we're going to paste that all over the billboards along with their name in big, clear, bold font, who they are, first name, last name, middle name, and what they were charged with.
And then they went one step further and they wrote a dear Mrs. John, that's what we refer to sex buyers as, John, dear Mrs. John letter that they sent to the wives.
And the letter went something like this.
You probably don't know this, but your husband was arrested on a bad side of St. Petersburg, Florida on Saturday night for soliciting underage minors for sex.
Accordingly, you might want to take yourself to the nearest STD clinic, little lady, and get yourself checked for, you know, chlamydia, syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS to make sure you're not going to die in the next few months.
Sincerely, your local health department.
And that combined program, naming and shaming the guy on the billboards and outing him to his wife to make a bomb go off in his living room that night, that dropped the incidence of sex trafficking in St. Petersburg, Florida overnight, overnight, by almost 25%.
Never underestimate the power of a good name and shame program.
If they're not listening to you on the microphone, if they're not doing what they were elected to do, go do your research.
It's super simple.
You find the bad plan, you find the guy pushing the bad plan, you get a PI to research him.
You're looking for anything that makes you go, ooh, are they having sex with seven-year-olds?
Shaming Into Action 00:02:14
Are they cheating on their taxes?
Their wives, you know, whatever, like whatever it is, and you put it on blast.
You can't blackmail them because that's illegal, but you can just make it known and you can let society do the rest of it.
They are afraid they won't get re-elected.
And when suddenly their skeletons start coming into light, they start getting back in their lane real darn quick or they resign.
But either way, it's a win.
Shining light on the darkness is effective.
We've got to take a break when we come back.
I want to talk more about the COVID-19 44 nightmare, how it went, where we go from here, and really how we stand up to any attempts to try to bring in COVID 2.0 or any other pandemic style emergency.
It is making sense of the madness.
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Back with more with Lee Dundas after this.
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We are back with Lee Dundas.
And Lee, you garnered a lot of attention early on for daring to stand up to these unconstitutional mandates, both in your state and really throughout the country.
Nazi Testing Waters 00:13:35
Obviously, you told the story on how you were able to get your official out of there and not go through the court system.
But the court system in many cases seemed to be broken throughout the country.
However, if you look at places like New York, the long-fought battles via, say, Max Pub and beyond, ended up winning with the state Supreme Court, even though it's still being appealed by Kathy Hochul.
So don't we still have to fight these battles?
How do we fight these battles effectively?
And what do you say to those that have fought them and lost in their states?
So two things.
You're not done until the fat lady sings.
So when we were looking to get rid of the vaccine passports, which I mentioned earlier here in Orange County, I went to our board meeting, got a lot of my friends to go to that board meeting, and we gave them hell on the mic.
I mean, I basically said, you won't need a war saw ghetto.
I won't be able to leave my house because nobody will service me.
And, you know, unlike you all call this plan exactly what it is, this is a Nazi plan, and you are the new fourth Reich if you enact it.
And really, that combined with the other two and a half minutes of what I tore into our largely Republican board with, should have been enough to put them on the retreat, and it didn't.
Okay, and half the county showed up, and it didn't.
And that's when I realized we had Soros money up in our county, and they were clearly getting favors or whatnot to do the devil's bidding.
So, again, that was a loss.
You know, we didn't fight it down at the Board of Supervisor level.
We thought we were going to, and we didn't.
Do you turn tail?
Do you run?
No.
I said, wow.
And by the way, the only blowback or the only thanks I got was our board of supervisors calling up the LA Times and having them quote the Anti-Defamation League, which exists to honor the rights of those persecuted by Hitler.
I'm Romani.
My family's Romani.
We had our own Holocaust, the Romani did, along with the Jews.
And I had the darn LA Times quoting the ADL saying that Lee Dundas was a Nazi for calling them Nazis.
And I guess they thought that, you know, that was going to make me go cry in my closet or something.
But I took a good look around and I thought, well, I lost that battle.
Am I going to stop?
Hell no.
You cannot, by the way, you cannot ever afford to lose the right to freely travel.
That is the make-break point.
So when they come at you with a female camp, when they come at you and they say, we're going to lock you down and you're not going to be able to travel without showing paperwork, you fight that as if you've got a gun to your head, because if you don't, you will have a gun to your head.
That is how Nazi Germany started.
You cannot ever lose the right to freely travel.
That is why I bet the farm, paid $250,000 out of my own pocket before people donated to the cause to get that Holocaust survivor TV out on the air.
But again, I didn't just stop.
I went and I said, okay, I've got to realize I'm not the best mouthpiece for this.
If I call them Nazis, they're going to call me a Nazi.
Nobody's going to listen to this.
It's a he said, she said.
But I double-dogged dare the LA Times and the Anti-Defamation League to call an actual Holocaust survivor a Nazi, right?
Who's going to go there?
You've got to be smarter sometimes than they are, right?
So that's when I spent two weeks hunting down Vera Sharad until I got a phone number and got her willingness and agreement, bless her heart, to talk for 30 seconds about how this is how Nazi Germany started was by hunting her people down with passports.
And that is what got our county to back off.
So you have to be creative.
The answer to if you've lost in court, do we keep doing the courtroom battles?
Do we keep doing the legislative moves?
Look, I'm not saying don't do them.
This is the difference between, you know, the Civil War and the Gulf War.
It used to be that sending our Army and Navy to a battle was sufficient and necessary to end the war.
The saying is it was necessary and sufficient.
Nowadays, in modern warfare, sending your army and Navy are necessary, but they are no longer sufficient to win the war.
And what we are doing right now, unfortunately, in America, and I don't blame people, it's a product of the fact that we were all born and raised in first world countries with first world toolkits.
And when all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail, we go, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, something's wrong.
What do we do in America when something's wrong?
We go lobby our legislators.
We go running up to our state capital and we go running to our courthouse.
Well, that's a great, great system if you're living in a first world country, but we're not.
So lawsuits and legislative moves are necessary in much the same way the Navy and the Army are necessary to war, but they are no longer sufficient.
We need to be sending in our Navy SEALs, our Army Rangers.
And when you look around, who are the nonprofits doing that right now?
I see almost none aside from me.
And I'm not trying to shine my halo.
What I'm doing is I'm drowning and screaming for help.
You walk up to a donor and you go, hey, I'm going to sue over the mask mandate, over the vaccines, over this, over the lockdowns.
I've got donors left right in the center who will write a check for that.
I say, I'm going to do a nationwide walkout.
I'm going to do a convoy because that is how the coup d'etat ended in Thailand.
The Thai farmers got on their Thai farm equipment, their big old tractors and earth movers, and they encircled Bangkok International Airport and brought that country to its knees in a New York second.
And all of a sudden, the coup d'etat was going their way.
That's when I first learned, that was 2014.
That was when I first learned that we as private citizens do, in fact, command a tinker unit.
They're called semi-trucks and large equipment that farmers use.
So don't you think that you don't have a tank just because you're not playing in the army games, right?
So there's lots of outside-the-box initiatives, but it's the equivalent of telling a soccer mom who's got her grocery list ready to go to the grocery store and she's got apples, pears, and oranges on there because that's all she ever buys her two-year-old.
And you say, Hey, babe, go and get a chiramoy and a jackfruit while you're there.
And she's like, What?
My brain doesn't think like that, right?
But our brains need to start thinking like that.
You need to start supporting not just the courtroom battles and not just the other battles.
Keep supporting those.
But for God's sakes, if you're a donor, if you don't want to be the fighter on the field, you want to just fund the fighter on the field, you need to start writing checks to the guys who are doing outside-the-box initiatives because I am here to tell you I have done one of those every 30 to 60 days for the last 42 months with a 100% success rate.
And right now, in my state in California, we are running a 1% success rate on courtroom initiatives.
You file a lawsuit, we filed hundreds of lawsuits.
We've had maybe three or four wins here.
1% versus what I have been doing.
I mean, that's a stark contrast, obviously, because the court system seems to be, you know, not nearly as effective.
However, when you look at this, you've talked about the Nazis several times in comparison to what we saw go on in this country and throughout the world.
And a lot of people don't understand that it was the Office of Hygiene that then demonized people through health that really began this process.
Well, we have the World Health Organization now.
And during the COVID-19 44 nightmare, you couldn't be six feet next to somebody.
You had to have a mask on, or you could kill grandma.
You take somebody else's life.
If you touch the surface for two weeks after somebody with COVID, you could die, for God's sake.
So all of this fear encompassed all of these people.
And there was this new excuse to quarantine and regulate movement, another thing that you alluded to.
Can you go through some of these modern-day comparisons to that Nazi playbook?
Yeah, I, you know, it's funny, you asked, how can you get rid of this if they push this at us again?
A year ago, November 2nd, Orange County was the testing ground.
We're always the testing ground.
We were the first hit with masks.
We were the first hit with the vax passport in addition to New York.
And we were the first hit with the RSV lockdown.
In November of last year, they started running ticker tape across the bottoms.
It was, oh, we're out of pediatric beds.
Hospitals are overflowing.
RSV virus, respiratory and sister virus is on the rise.
COVID-COVID-COVID 2.0, basically.
And they gave us no notice.
We had 24-hour notice.
It was a violation of state law on our board meeting.
They ran an emergency board meeting here in Orange County.
And they said, we're going to vote in, even though we were still in the middle of our COVID lockdown, you know, our state of emergency from two years earlier, we're going to vote in a second lockdown for RSV.
And what I said is, you know, I went in, I think I had a two-minute spiel, and I said something along the lines of the following.
You know, in the early 1930s, two men sat at a table discussing the most effective way to usher in total world war.
After much ado, they finally concluded that the best way to do that was to close non-essential businesses and defund the police and to lock down members of society to prevent the spread of typhus.
These men's names, Joseph Goebbels and Adolf Hitler.
You think you're special.
I am here to tell you you are not.
You are the new Nazis and I've got news for you.
We will not be locking down over RSV virus, which 90% of children contract before the age of two and only 0.000000478213 die a year.
That is a 41 millionths of 1% death rate.
We will not be locking down.
You will not be getting more blood money into this county for this.
This is fraud.
You will not kick kids out of school.
And damn right, you're not going to chokehold our businesses anymore.
Do you hear me?
We will never lock down again.
This is the hill we die on because this is America.
This is the Constitution of America.
And this is freaking freedom.
And they, notwithstanding that beautiful turn of events on the mic, along with very other eloquent people who stood up after me and said the same, they locked us down.
They voted it in.
But I am here to tell you that that was them testing the waters.
And my little video went hella viral.
I'm not on Twitter, but somebody cross-posted it on Twitter.
It had millions of views, Zimbabwe, Kenya, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, by 24 hours later.
And two weeks later, without us even asking at the next board meeting, they walked it back and it just instantly evaporated.
So I think what they do, I know what they do at this point, is they test it in the counties to see are they going to let it ride?
And when they see the entire world is now up in arms and you've got Aboriginal tribal leaders in Perth, Australia going, damn right, Lee Dundas in the comment thread.
We ain't ever locking down again.
This is the hill we're going to die on here as well.
That is the deep state, you know, testing the wind and going, okay, I think we played this playbook too long and hard.
Let's go do some train derailments for a little kicks and giggles here.
So again, you got to get out there.
You got to be forceful.
Name and shame, getting other people to weigh in around the world is the way to go, but you got to know your history.
You know, Nazi Germany did not start with people baking in ovens.
That is how Hitler ended.
He started with censorship.
He started by taking loudspeakers and radios and giving them out to every family and every town square and every factory and every school in the country, ostensibly to celebrate his PR minister Joseph Goebbels' birthday and to give back to the little people for their own good.
It wasn't for their own good.
He wanted the ability to 24-7 brainwash them.
And he did exactly that, such that by the end of World War II, when they were interviewing Hitler's Minister of War, not his propaganda, not his PR minister Goebbels, but his minister of war, the minister of war said on record, we didn't win the battles we won because of my department.
We won the battles we won because of technology.
Through the technological adoption of new innovation like loudspeaker and radio, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought.
That was the direct quote from Hitler's Minister of War, such that by the end, when you ran the cattle cars past the good German farmers en route to Auschwitz, all the Germans would do would plug their little ears and sing a bit louder and turn a blind eye to it.
And when we liberated those camps, one of the GIs went in there and said, what is this over here to the farmers?
And they were like, oh, hear no evil, see no evil.
We don't really know.
There's a lot of white smoke coming out of the chimney, but we don't know.
And that group of infantry or whoever they were said, you don't know?
Well, we're going to fix that.
You get in the back of our Jeeps right now and you're going to go bury the carcasses of the Jews that you allowed people to bake in ovens here so that you never forget what happens when you turn a blind eye.
That is how Hitler started.
He started by ramping society into a Nazi frenzy over the fear of typhus and running the Jews who carried typhus allegedly into Warsaw ghetto camps so that they never could freely travel again.
And from there, it's a one-way ticket into an oven.
So when I said earlier in the program, you need to fight like your life and your children's lives depend on it when they come for you and say you need to show paperwork in order to pass this checkpoint.
I mean it.
It is however re.
Every totalitarian takeover starts.
They're going to do something for your own good.
They're going to run you out into a little compound just for a couple weeks, just for a couple weeks, like Hitler did, like Pol Pot did in Cambodia in the 1970s.
And pretty soon you're face down in a shallow grave or in an oven.
We got to take a break when we come back.
I want to talk about the book.
I want to talk about the inspiration for the book.
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Lee Dundas is our guest.
The book is Just Stand Up, and we'll be back after this to make sense of the madness.
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Short segment.
Lee, after talking to you, I would assume that one of the reasons that you wrote this book was because the legal avenues were no longer there and the activist angles were the more effective ones.
Is that a correct assessment?
That's part of it.
That and the fact that Clay Clark told me if I was going to be on his stage, I needed to get my own darn book as a companion piece.
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And everybody wanted to know a little bit more about how I got to be who I am.
And yeah, I don't know if it was a nature or nurture.
You know, I've always been a bit outspoken, especially for the underdog since I was a kid.
But I had a family where, you know, I had a good, one good parent, one not so good parent.
And you had to stand up for yourself.
Things didn't get better if you turned the other cheek in my family.
They tended to go not as well.
So I learned early and I learned thoroughly that you stood up for yourself.
And then that was even more the case when I was a young person.
I mean, I was 21 years old when I passed the bar exam and started representing Fortune 500 companies, right?
You know, the partner in my law firm said, All right, you're going to wear a dark blue or black suit, high heels, your hair in a bun every single time that you come into this firm because it makes you look 10 years older and you look not so much like a sorority kid, right?
So, I've always sort of been the person who was loud and used my voice to get my point across.
Um, and that was just my background.
But you got to understand, even us lawyers get nervous before we go to court, we get nervous before we step out on a stage of 10,000 people or in front of a board of supervisors.
I certainly never thought my crowning achievement 30 years out of law school after getting into Yale law school at 17 years old would be to grab a bullhorn from Walmart and start screaming at my board of supervisors in front of the county hall building door at 8 a.m. You know, every other Tuesday.
Like that was not what I was looking to do.
But when in Rome, you know, you do what you got to do and you do it despite the fact that you're nervous.
You do it despite the fact that you don't know what you're doing.
I'm not a TV producer.
I'm a lawyer married to a doctor.
I'm not Del Big Tree.
I made a damn TV ad and I got news for you.
You can do it too.
If you got a cell phone, you just go in your closet.
That becomes your new sound booth.
All the clothing, you know, absorbs the extra sound.
And you get your kid to do some video editing.
You cut it down to 30 seconds.
You raise some money like you do for the PTA, maybe a little more money than you're used to raising.
And you go to CNN and you say, put this on the air.
They'll do it.
It's just that easy.
So there's really no excuse other than fear.
And we have nothing to fear, as somebody famous once said, but fear itself.
So the earlier we stand up, the better it goes.
And I did want people to see how my mind worked, why I was so convinced that name and shame programs bullying your local bully with a bigger bully who was in your corner, as we did when we pulled DeSantis and into, you know, they were trying to get the Special Olympics kids to not be able to play in the games that were being held in Florida last summer after they had promised them they could without the COVID shot and then they were nigged on it, the Special Olympics did.
You know, I tried to talk sense into their general counsel and I failed.
It was another example of trying and failing.
So at that point, I got a bigger bully than the bully who was bullying the little disabled kids.
I called DeSantis and Latipo into the fight and I said, they're discriminating against the population of kids they allegedly serve.
And they said, not on our watch.
And they hit them with a $27.5 million fine a day and a half before the games were set to open in Tampa, Florida.
Literally an hour after that, the Special Olympics walked it back.
So again, these name and shame programs, these bullying the bully with a bully who's in your corner and bigger than your local tyrant, these things are highly effective, as are the grassroots initiatives.
The convoy worked.
We were not open in the blue states before we did that convoy.
I was the primary architect of it behind the scenes.
The nationwide walkout worked in the fall of 21.
It was the thing that led up a week in advance to us getting our first court ruling, knocking down the vaccine mandate out of the southern district of Louisiana.
So I did want to shed light on some of these Navy SEAL-type fifth, you know, the first third world country, fifth-generation warfare tactics that I've been deploying in the human trafficking context for the last 10 years because it's not what our average soccer mom and dad think of.
They think of lawsuits and legislative moves, but we need to start doing these other things as well.
And the bonus is you don't need to go to law school or be a lawyer or have a ton of money to your name.
I got rid of our health officer and the mask mandate by calling in favors from retired cops I knew.
And you can do the same.
We all know somebody in law enforcement and they'll know somebody who's a PI and half those people are Republicans and they're as pissed off as you are.
You just say, hey, go research this guy.
If he's no angel, if he's pushing the devil's plan, that is your starting point.
If they're trying to mask your kid, if they're trying to keep your kid out of school, if they're trying to vaccinate you without your consent, I got news for you.
This ain't their first day, and they are evil.
And the odds are they've got some other skeleton in their closet.
All you need to do is find it and put it on blast.
So, yeah, that is one of the reasons I wrote the book.
In addition to the fact that Clay Clark had been on my case for I think about two years to do it.
So I caught a cold last October for eight days.
I wrote a 399-page book all by myself in eight days flat, and uh, and then I made it.
But I make no money if you buy it on Amazon.
So, if your listeners are interested, and I certainly hope they'll buy it, I think I cover things that you'll never see any other place, like what it's like to be living in a third world country, to be working with Cambodian, you know, pole pot survivors where members of their family are little skulls sitting in monuments in the killing fields because they were the one survivor and their whole rest of their family was genocided.
These are people that have stories to tell, and they are smarter than we are because they've lived through it.
And we need to understand our history in order to stay safe from a repeat of that.
So, that is why I urge you to buy the book.
You can find it at my website, leadundas.com, and uh, and as well, you can fund my efforts to stay in the fight by buying that book.
So, that's one of the reasons I wrote it.
Awesome.
We got to take one more break when we come back.
Final segment with Lee Dundas.
What are you waiting for?
Go get the book and just stand up back after this with our final segment of Making Sense of the Mavis.
We are back.
Just Stand Up is the book.
And Lee, what advice would you give to people out there that are in the struggle, that are feeling the inflation, that do feel disenfranchised with our voting system and are just trying to get by the ones that maybe haven't gotten involved and are being passed to the mandate system?
How do you motivate those people to get involved or talk to the people that have been involved and they just don't accept defeat?
Well, I mean, you're somebody who have talked about countless defeats and how to come back because we're not going to win them all, everybody.
I got news for you.
Being human means we're going to make mistakes, we're also going to lose.
So, what do you say to those people?
You know, you just got to keep rising back up.
You know, Rome wasn't built in a day.
Every war had multiple battles.
To those who are sitting on the fence, hoping that you can turn the cheek to tyranny and get a pass, they're coming for you.
You know, that is as ill-advised as somebody who was a Jew in Germany moving to Poland, moving to Norway.
You know, just there, you may buy yourself some time moving to South Dakota or Sweden right now.
But do you really think Christy Noam and Sweden are going to single-handedly stave off a planetary-wide Holocaust that's coming your way that is lockstep, big government, big pharma, big tech, everybody moving en masse to get rid of the little guy and crush him?
No, we need to fight our corner.
I believe that the reason we're finding ourselves in what is looking to be a second Holocaust here is because we didn't learn the lesson the first time.
We waited on FDR and Churchill to get bombed off the fence sitting that they were doing, bombed off the fence and into the war.
I mean, everybody's like, oh, yeah, FDR and Churchill handled Hitler.
Yeah, after we were bombed in Pearl Harbor, my grandfather, my daddy's daddy, was standing on the decks of the USS West Virginia the day it went down out from under him, right?
We were bombed into World War II.
And then those two men and all their militia came to everybody's rescue.
And thank God, or we'd all be speaking German and a lot of us would be dead.
But that was not the ideal ending to the Holocaust.
The ideal ending to the Holocaust is what I described earlier in the program, which is that all of the good Germans had, in the very first instance, looked around and gone, This is a crazy plan, and we ain't doing it because there is more of us always.
There is more of us than them.
If you are feeling defeated, if you are feeling like there's no hope, let me tell you what's happening.
You've spent one too many minutes today on social media.
Social media is a tool.
It is a useful tool.
Now you know that there's a FEMA broadcast going on at 2 p.m. Eastern Time today, and we should all be powering down our little toys accordingly, right?
Get the data and get off.
But I am here to tell you: if you sat down on your couch and you were feeling okay and you're kicking, cooking your kids' dinner and feeding the baby in the high chair and looking at your stuff on social media, and all of a sudden you feel like jumping off the nearest cliff, you have been on social media too damn long.
You are in charge of your own emotional state.
The only person who can do that for you is you, not your mother, your father, your husband, or your kid.
And that is your single best tool.
Nobody wins a war by crying in their soup before they go charge the hill, literally or figuratively.
So you need to stay amped up.
You need to be educated, but you also need to be convinced that we can win.
And we are winning.
And I'm going to leave you with two thoughts on that.
But first, I want to read a quote from Churchill.
Do you guys mind if I read a quote from Churchill?
Of course not.
Go right ahead.
Where the heck did my church?
There it is.
Churchill said, and aptly so: if you will not fight for right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with the odds of survival against you and only a precarious chance of survival.
There may even be a worse case.
You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, simply because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
I work with a sex slave who had a gun pointed at her table.
She was going to be the like 20th kid executed in this sex slave trading camp.
And instead of bowing down to tyranny and grabbing for the gun and falling to her knees and begging for her life, like all the other sex slaves that had come before her and tried and failed to save their hide, she stood up, she stepped out toward the guy who had a gun leveled at her temple and said, Give me that gun.
I will shoot myself, but I no longer want to live like this.
And in so doing, those who were her captors respected that and actually set her free.
They said, get out of here.
You're free to go.
Sometimes when you think you have no choice, you still have a choice, even if that choice is only how you die.
But I would suggest to you, as Churchill said, it is far better to fight the good fight now than later.
And I am simply advising you to do that peacefully, using your First Amendment rights and all the other amendments we have too.
But in the main, your First Amendment rights and to do it lawfully.
And if you do that, we will win the war.
CNN, they've lost 90% of their viewers in the last couple of years.
42% of Dems are watching you, Jason, and Tucker and Fox and Hannity.
We are winning the war.
Good people are waking up.
All they need to do is continue to fight their corner.
And if you're lacking a little faith and a little passion, go fire up one of my videos.
Go tune into Jason's broadcast.
Go do what you have to do to bring your tone level up to the level of being angry because there is power and energy and anger and there was no power, energy, and apathy and sadness.
So cry for a minute, but then go get upset.
You have a right to be upset because they're taking your liberty away, and our children deserve a hell of a lot better than that.
Our path was paved by forefathers who fought and died for this country, mine included.
And we would be ill-served to watch this country get sold out from under us when it is our day to rise and to shine.
We are the heroes we have been waiting for.
Go do your part.
That's right.
You got to look in the mirror and decide that you're going to be your own hero.
Thank you so much, Lee Dundas.
Just stand up is the book.
And I want to thank you guys for joining us.
Remember, it is not about left or right.
It's always about right and wrong.
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