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Conscious Resistance Founder 00:06:16
Welcome to Making Sense of the Madness.
I am Jason Burmese and buckle the truck up.
This one is going to be a banger.
I can't wait to introduce my audience to someone who has been at the apex of investigative independent journalism for some time.
Independent activism, solutions-based themes.
This is the guy.
His name is Derek Brose, and we're going to be talking about the conscious resistance and beyond after this.
Now, for those that may be new to the program, I have been in independent journalism activism for really the better part of two decades at this point.
And it is so important for true independent voices to be out there outside of the corporate system on so many levels.
And my guest today has done some of the seminal work on the Epstein case, on SRA, on the Finders cult, which many are just learning about now.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
This person is someone who wants to take charge of his own life and shows people the tools in which they can do that on an independent level.
That's not enough.
Oh, no.
It's been almost two years now, but we actually put on a little shin dig together where we not only told people how they can get involved, how they can be more involved within their community, but also their government.
And this guy right now is running for the mayor of Houston.
We're going to get into all that and more with my good friend, Derek Brose.
Derek, thank you so much for joining us.
For my AMP audience who may not be aware of how you got into this, how did you start the conscious resistance?
Yeah, thank you guys for having me on.
I appreciate all the work you've been doing over the years, brother, and happy to meet some new friends here through this audience.
So I have been not, you know, not in the game as long as you have.
You've been one of the OGs in it for a while now, but I've been doing this work as an activist and an independent journalist for 14 years, going on 15 years now, based in Houston, where I'm originally from.
And, you know, the short version is that my awakening, my kind of questioning the world and coming to critical thinking came after, for me, a short stint in prison when I was 20 years old.
And that turned my life around, put me in a new direction.
And from that new direction, I started asking questions in the world, started going to the library, doing research.
And then around that time, discovered some of the early Alex Jones documentaries, Luce Change, started going to New York City, met Luke and yourself and plenty of other people who were really active at that point in the streets.
And also was very inspired to do the citizen journalism thing and to pick up a camera and to start going to politicians both on the national level and down here in my own community and putting a microphone and a camera in their face.
And after doing that for a couple of years, I started to take it more seriously and realize that this is what I wanted to do, that this was my passion.
And I had an activist community I started called the Houston Freethinkers from 2010 to 2018.
And we were doing a lot of great work the first couple of years.
We were involved with End the Fed action.
We were supporting Ron Paul's movement back then.
And there was protest against the NDA, indefinite detention.
It was a really active time in terms of pushing back against the tyranny.
And I also, when I went to prison, I also discovered my spirituality, got into prayer, got into meditation, and it really was a part of my healing journey.
So around 2013, when I decided I wanted to kind of branch off from just doing activism and start my own outlet where it could be a place that I could express and explore everything that I have interest in, from spirituality to liberty and freedom and bodily autonomy to what's going on with this whole talk of UFOs and what's up with the paranormal or the Epstein stuff.
Like I wanted to be able to just talk about anything and everything that was of interest to me.
And I also wanted to come from, as you mentioned, a solutions perspective and with a sort of spiritual, motivational, inspirational kind of mindset.
And so that summer of 2013, I had, I guess you could say, another shift.
You know, one of those nights where you're up too late watching YouTube videos till four in the morning.
And I think I was watching Ike videos, just watching some old presentations of his.
And just this phrase was kind of whispered into my mind, the conscious resistance.
And for me, it was the moment that I recognized that the things I was exploring, spirituality, freedom in terms of the spiritual, internal world, and freedom in terms of the physical world, pushing back against government and corporations, that to me, these are two sides of the same coin and that it's really essentially the same thing.
And that is what I call the conscious resistance, you know, the understanding that the struggle for a more free, ethical, and just world is not only going to come from confronting government and corporations and trying to expose all the machinations in the physical realm, but also what I call our internal tyrant, the struggle against our own internal tyrant, our doubts, fears, insecurities, and limiting beliefs, which can often hold us back and prevent us from being the best person that I think we can be.
So those two things together, bringing together the search for spiritual freedom and physical freedom, is what I call the conscious resistance.
And so I started the consciousresistance.com back then, originally just as a place for my content.
But over the years, it's branched out to be a network where we've had a number of different contributors, people doing written work as well as video work.
At the moment, I'm the main contributor.
We're about to have a couple more people come back, but that's what it's become my home for my documentaries, my podcasts, interviews, essays, my books, which are all downloadable for free on the website.
And we've just recently relaunched it, as you can see, to kind of make this 10 years plus worth of content easier to digest and putting into categories and making it really easy to navigate.
So yeah, that's some of what I do with the conscious resistance.
People Questioning Powerful Figures 00:06:43
I also mentioned I currently write for The Last American Vagabond with Ryan Christian.
So besides doing my own work at The Conscious Resistance, I produce weekly articles at Last American Vagabond and work with people like yourself.
Well, brother, let's talk about all that.
Because number one, the website revamp looks amazing.
Ryan Christian, one of the best independent journalists that's really grown out of the system, and it's a true independent voice.
You know, he's critical of both sides, just like you've always been and why I've respected your work.
But I want to rewind a little bit because you really talked about the importance of how you came up as a citizen journalist and you used your camera and really your questions, your voice to challenge the powerful.
And too many times now, I think that gets subverted where instead of utilizing the camera to actually ask a poignant question of one of these political figures, number one, you have either somebody doing something outrageous that's a comic bit that's going to feed into both sides.
And it's very, very divisive.
That's one.
Or two, you're not going to focus on that politician or the real issue at all.
You're going to focus on somebody dunking on the other side.
Oh, he blew them up.
Or you're going to focus on violence where two sides collide with one another.
And that's the new thing.
And I've seen that in the past decade plus, where the previous decade, it was about confronting your congressman, your senator, about tough questions via 9-11 or the war on terror.
Can you speak to that?
Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was the confrontations that I saw from, which was it, 9-11.
One of the first 9-11 documentaries, I can't even remember the name of it.
It was the one that followed.
Luke Redounce's true threat.
Yes, exactly.
So that one was just kind of for me as a young early activist in Houston who hadn't left my hometown yet, hadn't gone to discover, oh my God, there's other people around the country who are.
you know, finding these same things.
I am watching that DVD.
And of course, this is when a lot of the We Are Change chapters, including out here in Texas, We Are Change San Antonio, used to be a really active crew.
And so I'm watching YouTube videos of Luke out there confronting politicians around 9-11, of the We Are Change movements happening different places and any other We Are Change chapters questioning people in other parts of the country, not just New York, and the guys in San Antonio and elsewhere just printing thousands of DVDs and going to the streets and passing them out.
And, you know, it was just to me, especially my young, like quickly opening radical mind of like questioning the power and realizing I've been lied to is just like, this is what I need to do.
Like, oh my God.
Like, I was really maybe similar to a lot of people when I started waking up.
I felt very alone and I really quickly felt like I need to focus on solutions.
I need to figure out what I can do and I need to find other people.
And that led to the creation of the activist community.
But I always did see myself as like not only an activist, but I knew that I had the power to formulate questions and to ask them confidently and intelligently and not just create a scene when a politician's around, but to go in there, even if I didn't look like the stereotypical journalist, you know, to get into press events, either, you know, use my sneaky methods or legitimately as a press, you know, with a press pass, go in there and ask questions.
And that is what I still love to do.
I mean, I think we did an interview last year whenever I confronted former CIA director John Brennan.
I tried to confront Pompeo a couple of months ago here in Houston, but they knew I was coming and they kept me from getting anywhere near him.
George Bush and Hillary Clinton are coming to Houston in October.
Like, I've got plans for that.
You know, confronted Kissinger back in the day.
And then also on the local level, confronting people that wouldn't have a household name to anybody outside of Houston, but in my mind, are still, if not more important, because confronting and holding the power accountable in your own city, that might matter more than questioning Henry Kissinger.
Like, yeah, it feels good to question Henry Kissinger and go up, you know, just to get that close to somebody who's had such an influential role and a lot of messed up things in our world.
And at the same time, confronting the local school board member who nobody knows their name, who's doing a bunch of bad things in your community, that could be more impactful, right?
So I still think there's a time and a place, and not just for confronting for the sake of confronting, but my style is to go in.
You know, I tend to approach it multiple ways.
Can I put an interview request?
Okay, will they sit down and have a friendly sit-down interview with me?
That's not going to happen with John Brennan.
Okay, well, then I'll show up at the event.
Let me see.
Is there going to be a Q ⁇ A?
Okay, Q ⁇ A is very controlled.
They're not going to let me get a question.
Okay, now he's doing selfies.
This is my chance.
Just walk up, have your question ready, and just drill into him until he gets away or tries to get away and walk with him to the car.
And the whole bit, you know, I love it.
I enjoy it.
It's like a sport to me in some ways, like challenging these powerful people.
And then not only that, but to sort of see that mask, that veneer that they love to parade around with that they're so important.
But the moment somebody challenges them with any kind of question that they're not prepared for, you see all of that crumble.
You see the human being there that is just like, oh, like in Brennan's case, he had to sit in front of me while I'm drilling him with question after question while he was waiting for the elevator.
And, you know, people around me like, oh, leave him alone, leave him alone.
But he just had to sit there and be a human and take it and get questioned about things he didn't want to be questioned about.
And you can see it in his face in the video that this is not something he's accustomed to.
It's not something he's used to.
And I do think that that's powerful.
It's important for people to see that to be reminded that, you know, we kind of put these people up on a pedestal, maybe not in a positive sense, but we still make them kind of otherworldly, bigger than life.
But when you come down to it, as far as we know, these are just human beings that are evil in many cases, I would say, but they're still human beings.
And when they're confronted with powerful questions and when they're not around yes, men and women who love to just kiss their butts, you can see the human being there searching for like anything.
Like, oh my God, what do I do?
People are confronting me with all the things I've done.
And I think that's what needs to happen.
If there's ever going to be true accountability, these people, obviously, I don't advocate violence in any way, but I don't think that politicians who've made bad decisions and people like, let's say, Fauci and others should be able to just walk the streets without being questioned by the public.
It doesn't even need to be a citizen journalist or a journalist with a press pass.
Like, you know, anybody out there who can form a couple of sentences, when you see these people in public, ask them.
They need to be questioned everywhere they go to the point that they know they're not going to be able to safely go out in public without being questioned about their actions.
And only then, I think, will they start to think, okay, do I really want to go through with this?
Do I want to sign this bill?
Do I want to take this action?
Because as you know, Jason, these types of folks have gotten away with so much of what they're doing for generations now.
They're not used to being held accountable in any fashion.
Yeah, they're never held criminally accountable.
Finders Accused Of Child Trafficking 00:14:01
When you dig in for maybe years and decades, sometimes financially accountable.
But we need to hold them accountable where in the court of public opinion, we need to step up.
Like you said, you look in the mirror, you get a question, you're confident, and all the people that want to bend the knee and defend this type of behavior and say, stop, stop.
No, you expose that too, because in the court of public opinion, the mask comes off, the veneer fades, and all of a sudden, the independent media becomes much more powerful than the mainstream in so many respects.
We got to take a break.
When we come back, I want to talk about some of your documentary work and your investigative journalism recently.
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We are back with Derek Brose of theconsciousresistance.com.
Now, Derek, you talk about how you went from this citizen journalist activist to really drilling down some big issues.
And one of the first things that you did in documentary fashion is this documentary on the finders.
Now, eventually the finders will start to go a little bit viral, I would say, during the Trump administration and when the FBI releases more documentation on them.
But one of the things that I absolutely loved was the fact that you actually tracked down some of the individuals, including the main police officer in the Clayson case and one of the finders and got them to talk to you about it, one on tape.
Yeah, this is, I mean, to me, thank you guys for showing it on screen, first of all, because I want people to go back and look at it.
I put a lot of time and energy into these issues.
And it's funny because the last couple of days on my Facebook, I don't know if somebody shared it, but one of the interviews with the man you were mentioning, Toby Toreau, has been going viral.
It's a couple of years old, but for some reason, somebody picked it up and shared it.
So it shows that there still is an interest in the Finders, I think.
And I'm grateful that, you know, I was called to do it when I did because I have that documentary there.
And I think it's one of the best works out there right now on the facts behind the Finders.
And it was a lot of effort and time.
I mean, it was true journalistic work that I'm very proud of in terms of tracking people down, you know, getting on the phone, calling people, emailing.
And yes, in terms of tracking down Ramon Martinez, the U.S. customs agent who was one of the key players trying to blow the whistle on the Finders cult, tracking him down, getting on the phone with him, having some success, him agreeing to an interview, and then him totally reversing and basically just getting scared.
And, you know, as part of the documentary, I felt like it wouldn't be complete if I didn't make an effort to go see him in person.
So I found out where he lived and I found out where he taught Tai Chi and I went and flew across the country, spent my money, knowing full well I might just get turned around and went there, shook his hand, told him who I was, and he said, F you, get away from me.
I'm not going to talk about this and made it clear.
And at that point, you know, I don't want to harass anybody.
So maybe a deathbed confession later.
But for the moment, the key witness in this Finders case is keeping quiet.
But for those who are unaware, of course, I encourage you to go to the Finders page on my website and dive in.
You can see my original, if you go all the way to my original Finders investigation, you'll see the seven-part investigation I did, which are shorter videos, which actually were showing my process of investigating them while I was making the documentary because I was advised to do this by some friends who were kind of concerned for potentially for my safety.
I was fine the whole time, but you never know when you're looking into old cases like that.
So yeah, if you go down to the bottom, you see these finders, one, two, three, and seven.
Those show you all the different things that I was finding and the data I was finding, which eventually led to my documentary.
And there's still some threads there that haven't been pulled.
I'm actually planning to do kind of a part two of this documentary in the next year or so, probably six, seven months or so, that will pick up with some of the things we've learned.
Because after I released my documentary, which came out in early 2019, I started researching the finders August, September 2018, right after I was wrapping up my Epstein research and was putting out my documentary back then, a year before Jeffrey Epstein was arrested.
I started to research the Finders cult, the Finders group, and I didn't really know much about it prior to then.
Maybe some of you out there have heard about it.
I mean, if you look online, there's more videos now, but there's still not, again, I still think my reporting is the most complete at the moment.
But when I was searching back in 2018, I was like, I've heard about this Finders thing.
What is this?
And you can find, there's an old YouTube channel.
I don't even know if it's around still called Stuff They Don't Want You to Know.
And they do these kind of true crime four to five minute videos.
So it was like a four to five minute video on the Finders, and it just outlined the basic premise.
But they left out a lot of details.
I think they just shared what they knew, which is kind of the surface level.
But it was enough to, you know, encourage me to go deeper.
Like, I think I need to dig deeper into this.
And also, while I was traveling in Florida at the time, when I was filming my documentary for Epstein's documentary, I went to Epstein's house and I filmed the scene in front of his house.
And then I started to look into the finders.
And it just so happened to be that the finders case also sort of broke the big story.
Was 1987.
Two well-dressed men in a van with six disheveled kids looking scratched and bug-bitten and like they hadn't been taken care of were arrested.
Accusations of Satanism, you know, that's when the whole thing blew apart, and that was in Tallahassee.
And I just happened to be in that area.
I was able to locate Toby Terrell, who considers himself to be the right-hand man of the founder of the Finders.
The founder was a man named Marion Petty, who is deeply tied to naval and air force intelligence.
And I just went and sat down and filmed the first interview.
And at that time, I didn't really know anything about the Finders.
I knew some basic facts.
So looking back, I felt like I could have drilled him a little harder.
But I just did the interview, let him say what he had to say, went home, did the rest of the research, produced the documentary, and released it.
And then, as I said, about a couple years later, just in 2021, I was in Florida again and I reached out to him and he agreed to sit down again with me.
And that second interview can also be found on my website.
And that, I think, is an even better interview because not only do you get to hear how he didn't like my documentary and he thought I did a horrible job and he accused me of not being a journalist.
And I think he was trying to do some Jedi mind tricks on me or something.
It was, it's definitely worth watching.
He's some weird stuff.
I'll let people judge whether they think, you know, I've got it wrong or if this man is lying.
But I was able also to question him.
Hey, we've got new releases since I last talked to you.
The FBI started to release documents about the Finders.
Did you know about that?
You know, you say nothing happened, but the coroner or the medical examiner's report shows two of the children had been sexually abused or signs of sexual abuse at the least that are really detailed.
I don't know how detailed we want to get here on the show, but really detailed in ways that Toby Terrell doesn't have answers for.
And I don't know what that means.
I'm not a cop.
I can't go arrest him, but I know here's the facts and the facts show these things.
And he's claiming one other thing.
And, you know, that's why I put the report together to let people be the judge for it.
But what I will say about the Finders is there are accusations of child trafficking.
There are accusations of connections to U.S. intelligence and probably intelligence of other countries.
We just don't have enough info on that.
And there are accusations of Satanism or occult elements of that.
And of the way, what I like to tell people is, of those three elements, Satanism, occultism, intelligence connections, and child trafficking, the strongest is the intelligence connections.
100%, I feel confident saying the Finders were connected to U.S. intelligence, to the CIA specifically.
And this is in the police documents where one of the officers, an unnamed officer, says he had been told that the Finders cult was a CIA unit that had gone rogue.
You know, there's so many things.
There's the case of Officer Scott Hunt, who died a couple years after he was trying to blow the whistle and say, no, there's something going on here, because you had cops in Washington investigate it.
You had cops in Florida, cops in Virginia.
It set off an international investigation because they realized the Finders were connected to people all around the world.
And in 1987, they had early, basically early broadband internet, and they were communicating with people all around the world.
And Ramon Martinez, the U.S. customs agent, he claimed that he saw in one of their warehouses pictures of naked children, instructions on buying children, all kinds of stuff.
That evidence was never seen again.
And then they basically said he's a liar.
He made it all up.
He didn't see any of that stuff.
And they ruined his career.
And it was, you know, a week later, they said satanic panic, nothing to see here.
And then it disappeared.
And in 1993, it came back up again.
And this was all mainstream news.
This is what's important for people to recognize.
This was on the New York Times, Washington Post, AP Reuters.
It was international news on all the wires.
And it came back in 1993 because Ramon Martinez wouldn't shut up.
And he kept trying to get somebody in Congress to listen.
He ended up getting two people to listen.
And they called for a Department of Justice investigation.
Of course, the DOJ investigated itself and said nothing to see here.
And that was it.
The book was closed in the Finders in 1993, 1994.
And then I picked up the investigation in 2018.
But as my work and the work of other folks like John Brisson over at We've Read the Documents clearly show that there's much more to the Finders case.
And unfortunately, most of the people are dead now.
The people involved, both Finders members and cops, there's definitely several dead cops involved in this investigation.
I'm not claiming I know that why.
I'm just saying there happened to be some officers who died who were blowing the whistle or trying to.
But Ramon Martinez, the U.S. customs agent, he's still alive as far as I know.
I reached out to him a year ago.
He still didn't want to talk to me.
Toby Terrell, the man who said he was the right-hand man of Marion Petty, the founder, he's still alive in Florida.
There's other members of the Finders that we know for sure were in the Finders.
Not saying I know what they did, but members of the Finders who have answers, presumably, are still alive.
And so I don't think this is a totally over case, but I don't know if we'll get more information anytime soon.
So let's fast forward because so many people shut off when there are quote-unquote occultic or satanic elements to the abuse of children.
However, there is this much more recent case in Utah that involved some of the big players within local government and the communities there that had been accused decades ago.
And then one person gets accused of abusing children again, David Hamblin, who's connected to this.
And he actually gets arrested.
And at the same time, you have, I believe, Levitt coming out and having to address the allegations that have been around for some time and this previous investigation.
And you did some really great groundwork here.
Tell our audience about it.
Yeah, so this is another case that I'll try to keep it as straight as possible because it can become a little convoluted.
For one, the fact that you have two Davids in this case.
So David Levitt was the county attorney in Utah until just recently.
His term expired and he moved on, bought a castle in Scotland.
Apparently, I don't know what's going on with this guy.
David Levitt, part of the Levitt family, his brother, former governor of Utah, father, Dixie Levitt, owns one of the biggest insurance companies in Utah.
And I think in the U.S., David Levitt also founded the Levitt Foundation, which bases itself in Ukraine or did for whatever reason.
And he has a lot of kind of colorful history, you could say.
He shut down the special victims unit once he became county attorney, which specifically invested human trafficking crime.
So there's concern.
There was already local concerns about him and like, why is he making these moves?
And then May of last year, the Utah County Sheriff's Office posted a press release on their website and they announced that they were investigating ritualistic child sexual abuse.
That was the words of the sheriff's office, not my words or your words.
Those were their words themselves that we are investigating ritualized child sexual abuse taking place in three different Utah counties between 1990 and 2010 and basically looking for anybody who has information about this to reach out to them.
So obviously something like that, it's kind of a bombshell thing that any, because typically, as you mentioned, when you mention Satanism or ritualistic anything, people just stop tuning in, stop listening.
And unfortunately, even when it comes to legitimate victims, if a victim, whether right or wrong, believes that there was some kind of ritualistic element to their abuse, people often, especially mainstream organizations who claim to care about human trafficking, they don't want to touch ritualistic things because they, oh, it's QAnon, it's, you know, it's something or whatever.
It just pushes them away.
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But I actually first heard about this case from you.
You were the first person I saw to report on it.
And I'm glad you did because it encouraged me to go look into it a little further and to start diving into it.
And, you know, boy, did we uncover that this is so much deeper?
And it goes back decades.
As I said, there were research investigations.
Stop right there because it does go back decades.
We've got to take a break.
And that's the thing.
When we say it goes back decades, these previous investigations, when you read into them, they are just so horrific.
I can understand why people would be hesitant to really talk about them or believe that they could happen.
But when we find out about the true human nature and the power behind that nature, some of this stuff is in repetition.
When we come back, we're going to talk more about this case with Derek Brose.
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We are back with investigative journalist Derek Brose.
And Derek, you were talking about this David Levitt, David Hamlin case, but it really goes back decades and into the Utah and Mormon establishment.
Talk about that.
Yeah, so, you know, before I dove into this case, I was not, you know, I wasn't a student of Utah history or Mormon history or anything like that.
So I definitely learned quite a bit.
And to be honest, if you're going to dive into a story like this that does involve the Mormon community, you do need to have some education on how that community works because, like many religious communities or just kind of insular communities, they're not always welcoming to outsiders or people who are not a part of the faith or not a part of the in-group.
And so I had to do a lot of digging and reach for some sources.
And as soon as I started to talk about this, I kid you not, my inbox was flooded with hundreds of emails of people from Utah or former Utah, former Mormons and current Mormons who had all kinds of things to share.
Personal experiences, personal thoughts.
And really David Hamlin, David Levitt, this case has set off so much for me in terms of it led to offshoot investigations into the Mormon church, but that's for another day.
But all of that is on my website.
When I started to dig into this case after seeing it on your show, I learned that David Levitt, after the sheriffs made this announcement, the county attorney David Levitt, who again is connected to powerful people in Utah and across the U.S., and his family history goes back to the founding of Utah, he held a press conference.
So county attorney holds a press conference, says he has something important to say.
The local media comes out.
He hands them this document that he says was from a previous court case back in 2010, 2012.
And he says, this sheriff's investigation they just announced, it's about targeting me.
They're going to accuse me of being a cannibal and a pedophile.
I am not a cannibal.
I am not a pedophile.
Me and my wife are not cannibals.
They're not pedophiles.
And this is a politically motivated investigation.
Interestingly, he's a Republican.
They're pretty much all Republicans there, but it was like some Republican infighting.
So he was accusing them, you know, the other side of the sheriffs of trying to destroy his election chances, which were coming up in a few months from last year from that investigation announcement.
So out of nowhere, he just produces these documents claiming, hey, I'm not a pedophile.
I'm not a cannibal.
But in these documents from this old court case, I was accused of this and so was my wife.
And just know that this is BS.
And the local media is just kind of like, okay, what the heck is he talking about?
Obviously, this really got my mind working.
And I was just like, I got to get a hold of those documents.
So I started, you know, doing the work and calling people, reaching out to people until I was able to get a copy of these documents.
And what these documents relate to is a case, as I said, 2010, 2012, where a Utah therapist, and I use that term very loosely, David Hamblin, was arrested and charged and accused of and admitted to abusing some of his own daughters.
And then that sort of set off a whole case of other people saying, look, this guy abused me as well.
And this does involve ritualistic elements.
Now, again, I don't know if we would refer to it as satanic per se.
David Hamblin, in the cases he's accused of in the past, tries to use this veneer of shamanism and Native Americanism and, you know, using peyote and stuff like that, which again, abusers will find whatever they can to confuse or hypnotize their victims or to make it seem like it's a part of a ceremony.
So we're touching and we're doing things, but it's just ceremony.
It's okay.
Everything's fine.
So he used all these creepy elements.
And that is the case that David Levitt was referring to.
And I did get a copy of those documents.
I released them publicly.
T-Lab released them.
They're out there if people want to find them.
And they're not fun.
They're not pretty.
These are 150 plus pages of several different victims, a dozen different alleged victims.
We don't know.
This was dismissed.
That's the sad part.
This case was dismissed in 2014 because of a claim of, not of a lack of evidence, not because he was found not guilty, but because the courts were moving so slow and the attorneys were saying they were having trouble getting documents they needed to prosecute him.
So they couldn't hold him any longer and they dismissed the case.
So it was allowed to just, you know, he was allowed to go free, not found guilty.
But what the documents show is that he was accused of numerous people being a part of a church within the Mormon church, what some people refer to as the Church of Latter-day Satanists.
So instead of the Church of Latter-day Saints of Jesus Christ, within there, depending on your view, some say the Mormon church is corrupted to the core.
The whole thing's a cult.
I'm not here to tell you what to think.
Others say this is just a bad group within the core that has been there since the beginning.
And that David Hamblin was accused of being part of that.
As was David Levitt and indeed his wife were accused of sexually abusing children.
And these are dozens of different incidents described by, at the time, teenagers and young girls and boys of the abuse that they suffered.
And I'm not just saying like they said, okay, one time I went to see him at the therapist and he touched me or abused me.
I'm saying they describe detailed incidents of being moved from house to this place and this location and this address by this person.
Oh yeah, that guy, he serves as the local councilman, but he's actually has the nickname of this.
They use nicknames for the members of this church of Satan, as it was described.
One of them was known as the Punisher for being the man who dealt out the punishment.
Describing, again, I don't know how vivid we want to get here, but really sexual abuse, physical abuse, murder, you name it, it's listed in here.
And again, we don't have evidence that this happened, but we do have victims claiming that.
So that was all in the past.
But the sheriffs themselves said that the current investigation was not related.
So David Levitt coming out and saying, hey, I'm not a pedophile, I'm not a cannibal, he kind of just outed himself and made people like myself more curious.
So we've been waiting for months, but fast forward, David Hamblin, the man that we suspected this whole thing was about, the therapist who was accused of these things in 2012, was indeed arrested.
He's since been released on bail.
He's on house arrest right now.
I'm still following the case.
He had a hearing a couple weeks ago, just sort of a procedural thing.
But as it stands, he is facing charges now for several counts of child sodomy, child rape, and abuse.
And they haven't specifically said it's even related to the stuff from 2012, 2014.
They're claiming they've got new stuff.
And the reason that's important is because if they do reopen that can of worms from 2012, well, then that opens up the can of worms for David Levitt and for all these other people who are accused of things in this.
And again, I've looked up the names.
I don't think we should go after these people because in the United States, people are assumed innocent until proven guilty.
But these people should at least be brought in for questioning and subpoenaed to learn more about what they've been accused of.
Because I've talked to some of these victims, including through other sources, Hamblin's own daughters, and they still stand by these words.
They haven't recanted and say, oh, sorry, we were young kids just making things up.
We had a bad day and got mad at dad or something like that.
You know, people are still standing by it.
People are still accusing David Hamblin of this.
And so this is just one man, Hamblin, but he's connected to David Levitt, who's connected to a lot of powerful people.
Hamblin, his family, the Hamblin name as well, goes back to the founding of the Mormon church.
And there's a big web there.
And I don't claim to fully understand everything that's happening in there because, like I said, once I stuck my toe in, I realized, like, okay, this is going to be a big one.
And it led to, I think, about a dozen articles and videos that you can find at The Conscious Resistance and on The Last American Vagabond.
So I just want to recap this for people.
Right now, Hamlin, who has some of the most atrocious allegations against him in a previous investigation, is out of jail.
And then Levitt, who came out and outed himself, literally has castle money and moved to Scotland with his wife.
That should show you.
And again, these are cases that have now spanned decades how broken the system truly is.
We've got to take another break, but you've done great work in another case that really has shown the world and exposed the world to how broken the system is.
Of course, I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein.
I want to talk to him about his interview with Bradley Edwards and how that took a little while, but then went viral and continues to go viral every once in a while to this day.
It's making sense of the madness.
I'm with Derek Brose of the Conscious Resistance back after this.
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back with Houston May oral candidate, Derek Brose.
But before we get into all that, I want to talk about his work on the Jeffrey Epstein case, which is some of the best out there.
Now, many moons ago, when people were still in denial about the Donnie T. Epstein relationship, you actually asked one of the main lawyers in some of these lawsuit cases that, of course, preceded the big arrest of Epstein.
And you specifically asked Bradley Edwards about Donald Trump and some of these other people.
And Bradley said some interesting things.
So can you tell us about that?
Yeah, so this was prior to Epstein's 2019 arrest.
And as you said, I've been kind of myself and maybe a few others had been tracking the many cases that were going on because obviously once he was arrested, the world learned his name.
Those of us in the conspiracy world have been paying attention and saying, hey, why is this billionaire out there walking free?
And, you know, he's connected to all these people.
And so I was looking out and I saw that there was a hearing going on in Florida where Epstein was going to be the victim.
I think it was Virginia at the time was suing him.
And he was, you know, so those cases were still happening in the background.
They weren't getting much media attention.
This one had some local media, but not much.
And so I went there in the hopes of even just seeing Epstein.
I was like, I'm going to go there to report.
Maybe he'll show up.
Of course, rich people like Epstein don't have to show up for their court dates.
They got lawyers to do that.
So they're exempt from that.
But I was able to go there, hear the proceedings, and then hang out afterwards long enough to interview Wayne Madsen, who's an old school investigative researcher, as well as Bradley Edwards, who is the attorney, who's been representing Epstein's victims for two decades now, I think.
Yeah, just going on two decades.
And he is, I think he's a brilliant man.
I think he's done a great service for these women and for humanity by just staying on the case and fighting for them.
It's, yeah, I'm just impressed with him as a lawyer.
So I did get to interview him.
That is on my website.
And there's two main sections.
The one you're talking about, I know, is in reference to Trump that have kind of taken a life on their own.
Actually, I don't know if I ever told you this, but Hannity actually reached out to me years ago, his people that are trying to buy that clip for me.
And they offered me something pretty low.
And I was not impressed.
So I offered something a little higher.
And then they weren't impressed.
So they didn't get to use it.
But I was like, if Hannity's going to use my clip, he's going to pay for it.
So nonetheless, it's out there and it's getting around.
And in the particular clip is when I asked, I was asking Bradley Edwards about Epstein's relationship with Trump or just anything he knew there.
And the thing that many people pick up on, and I would say particularly those who are Trump supporters and more rightly, is that Bradley Edwards said that when he reached out and subpoenaed all kinds of people, that Trump was the only person that picked up the phone and answered him and offered to help in whatever way he could.
And I do think that many Trump supporters try to take that or interpret that as meaning like that meant Trump brought down Epstein or that he's clean in some way.
I personally don't know if that's the case, but that's what Bradley Edwards said.
Now there's another, if you read, listen to the full interview, which I think is important to get the full context.
After that, I asked him about the rumor, because this is all it has been forever.
We have no evidence of it.
The rumor that Trump had thrown Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago.
And this is a claim that I tracked back to James Patterson's book, which, by the way, James Patterson was a neighbor of Trump, a neighbor of Epstein over in the Palm Beach area.
And he also toured and wrote a book with Bill Clinton.
So I don't know how much of a trustworthy source he is, but he claims in his book, Filthy Rich, that there was this story that was passed to them by some workers at Mar-a-Lago.
Now, that may have been true, but that's the only source for it.
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I tried to find anybody.
Of course, you know, these people are long gone, so who knows where they're at now?
But maybe his sources are better than mine, but that's the only source for that claim.
And now I asked this to Bradley Edwards, who again is the lawyer who's got all the money and resources that come along with being a lawyer and can hire private investigators and has been on the case for nearly two decades.
I asked him, have you found evidence of that rumor of this claim of Trump throwing him out?
He said, I looked into it too, and I never saw that either.
So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, that particular rumor is still a rumor.
And if it was true, we've been told since then that the disagreement between Trump and Epstein was more about real estate than it was about anything to do with the girls.
The story is that Trump witnessed or heard that Epstein was trying to pick up one of the clients' young daughters and Trump didn't like that and kicked him out.
Again, I can't say that that didn't happen, but I also can't say that there's 100% solid evidence that we have that it did happen.
But the fact is, Bradley Edwards did say Trump was the one that picked up the phone call.
And in my mind, this could be because many of the people around Epstein knew that he was going down.
And like cockroaches usually do, they scurry and they hide and they get away from the light as quick as they can.
So that's probably why the Clintons and others and the Gates and all these folks start trying to distance themselves from Epstein.
And if it wasn't for, you know, the Wayback Machine and newspaper archives and people like Whitney Webb, some of those relationships we wouldn't know about anymore.
But thankfully, we have those tools and these things are documented.
So it wouldn't surprise me if the FBI calls and Trump realized, or if a lawyer calls and says, hey, Epstein is under investigation.
We realize you had some business with him.
And Trump says, hey, I'm willing to give him up whatever you got, whatever you need.
Let me know.
I don't know that that absolves Trump completely of being involved in some way, but that's my perspective.
No, absolutely.
And I think that you have to have that nuanced perspective.
It's been alluded to that Virginia Guffray Roberts is actually the girl and it was her father that worked at Mar-a-Lago.
And there's been certain publications of a letter from Trump to him in some of these documents.
But we have to keep an open mind.
We also have to, you know, you mentioned Hannity.
Trump used Hannity and the Epstein issue as kind of a tool during the 2016 campaign where he brought up the relationship with Bill Clinton and, of course, Jeffrey Epstein.
So he was ready to play those cards.
You know, you have to ask yourself why he would do that if he thought he was going to put himself at risk.
I want to move on a little bit.
I want to move on to the activism aspect of the conscious resistance because we could talk about your journalism all day.
It's top tier, my friend.
But journalism only goes so far, right?
We also have to take charge of the systems around us.
We're supposed to be in a constitutional republic where we have separations of powers and we have states' rights and the people are the government.
And you've kind of exemplified that in your community for years.
Yeah, you know, I've, like I said earlier, my work has outside of journalism, I've always felt it was important to have some feet in my community locally, right?
I mean, this is something I've seen, and it's not a criticism of anybody else.
It's just this is my flow, my approach.
But I want to use my journalism and documentaries and videos and the internet to try to get people to look at issues, national issues, international issues.
But I also find it so important and so valuable to have a local community and to be connected here.
And prior to my activism and all this life I've been doing the last 14 years, I was a promoter.
So I put on festivals, music events.
And so I knew a lot of musicians.
I knew a lot of artists and activists.
So I've always been plugged in.
And when I started to get into this work, I just kind of incorporated it.
Now, of course, over the years, I've become the local conspiracy theorist/slash extreme right-winger to some people.
So I'm not as welcome in all the circles I used to be.
But it's still important for me to have, you know, an impact here locally and to go out, as I mentioned, and confront the local politicians.
And when people like George Bush or Hillary Clinton come to my city, like I feel like a sense of duty of like, they can't come here and not, you know, something not mess up, you know, me, not at least try to go ask them a real question.
So it's been important to me for a long time.
And I've been going to city council since 2010 here in Houston, going downtown to talk about homelessness and police issues and water quality issues, fluoride in the water and 5G.
And, you know, I've done that work.
And a lot of it was related to my journalism.
My 5G activism led to a 5G documentary.
Once I realized that, okay, I'm going to city council.
I'm telling them all these truths about 5G.
I'm bringing documents.
I'm bringing studies.
And I'm getting two minutes.
And then they say, next, move on.
And I would take those videos and I would put them on the internet.
One of them got over a million views, but it still didn't stop 5G.
It still didn't, you know, prevent the corruption from happening in my community.
So that's only so satisfactory, right?
Like, what am I going to do if I'm going to actually stop this and try to prevent it?
And I've gone and confronted the mayor and put the camera in his face.
Well, now, when I show up to events, the mayor's bodyguards surround me or grab me or like pull me out of the room.
I mean, it's still happening when I show up.
If I go to city council, I get my two minutes after waiting three hours and then they tell me next, move on, and nothing's going to happen.
So I decided in 2019, 2018, going into 2019, that after I produced my 5G documentary, the 5G Trojan Horse, that I wanted to go.
I basically came up with a plan that look, if I run for office and if I'm official and I play this little game, the mayor, Sylvester Turner, who sits on the board of the Resilient Foundation, funded by the Rockefeller Foundation, who was awarded the 5G Champion Award by the wireless industry, I can be on the stage with him.
I can confront him at a debate and at a forum.
He can't run away from me then.
He can't run away from me like he can at city council with his journalist with his bodyguards while I'm doing my journalism.
So it started out almost as a joke among friends and then eventually evolved into a real-world campaign.
And I campaigned in 2019 very successfully, met a lot of great people.
Obviously, I didn't win.
And then I've moved on with my life.
I moved to Mexico, continue to do my work, my journalism.
But as the world is in the state that we know it is, and as we're six and a half years away from 2030, I felt like, you know what, I have the ability to communicate intelligently, effectively, concisely.
I can go sit in front of a room of Republicans, Democrats, libertarians, independents, and I can come away with allies and friends.
And so I decided it's important enough.
I moved back from Mexico to Houston to be here where I'm now to run for this race.
And I've been campaigning since February.
We've been hitting events three, four, five times a week with our volunteers.
It's a truly grassroots volunteer campaign.
People can find it at derekbrose.com, my full name.
And, you know, I was, I spoke at a Republican group yesterday.
I spoke at a school board meeting after that.
I've spoken to the Democrats.
I was at the LGBTQ forum, even in the places where I don't necessarily agree with or align with people's perspectives, which if we try, we can all find things we disagree about.
But instead, when I focus on the things we do have in common, we're building a coalition.
We're building a coalition of disaffected leftists, of libertarians.
I'm about to get the endorsement of the local Libertarian Party.
We're getting support from leftist progressives who like what I say about surveillance and privacy and talking about getting rid of police surveillance tools.
So we are really building something out here.
And I'm grateful to anybody who supports or knows people in Houston.
I'm going to be in more forums coming up.
I'm trying to get on TV as much as possible.
That's what it's really about: to try to get the message out there in the way that we saw Ron Paul and others do.
I mean, if I win, we have some real policies.
We have some real ideas.
I'm not running a joke campaign or activist campaign per se because I want to be taken seriously enough that the locals take me seriously.
So I do get invited to the forums and the debates.
And, you know, if you show up in a funny hat or with a silly name or you pull the verb in Supreme, nobody's taking you seriously.
Nobody's going to invite you anywhere.
I want to talk about real ideas.
And my goal is to try to talk about Agenda 2030, try to talk about the insanity of the last three years with COVID-19.
Because even though I'm in Texas, the mayor of Houston still mandated COVID shots for all city of Houston employees.
He, you know, tried to lock down the city as much as possible.
And I want to speak out against that because I just, I think it's that crucial right now.
And, you know, I'll mention this though, Jason.
Unfortunately, because of what I mentioned before, that I, when I was 20 years old and I was kind of a lost teenager, got addicted to drugs, went to prison, changed my life around.
It's now been 18 years since I was arrested, 13 years since I was released off parole.
The city of Houston is trying to block me from being on the ballot this time, saying that I don't qualify as a felon.
So I've been spending the last week on the phone with lawyers and organizations.
I have till August 21st at 5 p.m. to be on the ballot.
They've rejected, this is the first time I'm saying this publicly.
They rejected my ballot last week, last Wednesday officially.
And so I'm like down to the wire here.
We're still campaigning.
We're still going to events.
We're still raising money.
And we have a plan for what's going to happen in case I don't get to stay on the ballot past the 21st.
But, you know, I'm in it and I'm serious.
I mean, people can look at my material, look at the website.
There's real ideas.
There's real concrete plans and vision.
And we are building a movement here.
So if you know anybody in Texas, you know anybody in Houston, even if you don't, you can donate to my campaign, derekbros.com/slash invest, I think, or donate.
Just check out the website.
Any and all of that support matters because the other campaigns, the five main candidates, as the media likes to say it, and the two people, it's a two-person race they're saying now, are Democrats tied deeply to the Build Back Better agenda to the Great Reset, Sheila Jackson Lee, John Whitmire.
These are 30-year career politicians who've been in DC and been in the Texas state capitol and are far disconnected from people.
And that's who's going, who's predicted to win.
But I will say with our small grassroots campaign and our less than $12,000 we've raised, last week the first poll came out and I was polling at 7% of likely voters.
So I mean, even that shows people are listening.
Our name is getting out there.
The message is getting out there.
And I do expect with more endorsements and more support in these last couple of weeks, if we don't make it past that deadline, that we're going to get even more support.
So anybody who's interested, please, you know, whatever you can offer, I'm happy to listen.
If you've got a lawyer on hand, somebody who's ready to fight the city of Houston and help me out with this, or if you've got some money you can throw our way, or just spread the word to people you know in Houston and Texas, all of it helps.
And I appreciate you giving me some time to speak on that as well, brother.
Absolutely.
We got to take one more break.
When we come back, I want to talk about the hurdles that you've already really overcome in this process and how my audience can help you get past this last hurdle and get on that ballot.
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What should people know about that whole blowup with Project Very Tess?
I read a few people wrong, and that's my fault, but I learned from that.
And I think I'll be a more effective messenger as a result of that.
That'll free me up to do the next chapter, the next stage of my evolution, which is OMG, which is decentralizing journalism.
And sometimes things happen for a reason.
That's my goal.
That's my mission.
And I didn't ask for that mission.
I never thought that would be my mission.
It just has become my mission.
And I'm excited about it.
Final segment with Derek Brose of theconsciousresistance.com.
And you talked about this process to try to stay on the ballot.
Well, if we've seen anything over the last, you know, several, I would say, months and years, it's that the court of public opinion sometimes matters more than anything and drives the narrative.
You look at January 6th, for instance, Jacob Chancely, the QAnon shaman, the insurrectionist.
He gets all of this jail time.
People are largely silent.
But as soon as Tucker Carlson, who has an audience, shows video of him being paraded around the Capitol by police officers, all of a sudden like that, he's in a halfway house and all of a sudden like that, he's out of that halfway house and all of a sudden he's doing interviews.
So sometimes that court of public opinion with the support of our peers and those around us can really drive us into the next stage.
So how can people directly help you get on that ballot right now?
So, yeah, and thank you for that, Jason.
And you're right.
I mean, the court of public opinion does matter.
And that's why, I mean, I'm not giving up.
The deadline is August 21st at 5 p.m. Central.
And until that passes, like, I'm in this race.
Like I said, I'm still doing events.
I'm going to an event after we wrap up this interview today to go out and pass up more flyers.
We got people taking shirts.
We got people taking yard signs.
So the support is there.
Now it's just the challenge of if the state is, if the city is going to let us on the ballot.
And unfortunately, as I mentioned, all those times I've confronted the current mayor and confronted him in public and at city council.
He's on the way out.
And I think that he probably enjoyed, because it came directly from his office with his signature.
He probably enjoyed signing that rejection letter, letting me know that I wasn't going to be on the ballot.
The way people can help right now truly is, and I hate when it comes down to this, but it really is just money because I've got one attorney that I've been talking with who's offering to do this.
He says, like, look, I think I see a path.
I've been, I mean, I've learned so much about Texas's Constitution and Texas's election code and cases that have been tried because unfortunately, despite the ways that Texas might be free, this is one of the ways that Texas isn't so free.
Felons basically can never get their, as far as they're concerned, can basically never get their right back to run for office.
They think they can take that from you.
And the only way you can really, there's only two ways, really a pardon from the governor or a pardon through the boards of pardons, board of pardons and paroles, which still has to go to the governor.
And then the other way, which is what we're thinking about doing, is judicial clemency, where we go back to the court where I was originally tried and we try to file to see if they will grant me judicial clemency, which then essentially discharges me from my sentence.
And that would be under election code, allow me to be on the ballot.
But as I said, we're up against a really hard deadline.
So I'm going to be calling that lawyer just shortly after we talk and asking him, like, look, we got two weeks now.
What's our move?
Do we have a move?
And it's going to take money.
I mean, that's what it's going to come down to.
Meantime, me and my team here, you know, we're going to need money for this either way because we're printing more yard signs.
This is the beautiful thing I mentioned earlier about playing the game a little bit because I am a candidate.
And until that deadline passes, I'm still a candidate as far as anybody's concerned.
I've filed the paperwork for campaign treasurer.
As a candidate, you're allowed to go put up big signs around the city, these big, you know, not just the yard signs, but the bigger signs.
And they don't have to just say Derek Brose for mayor.
I can put any message on them.
Not only that, as a candidate, TV interviews are open to me.
So right now I'm trying to set dates for three TV interviews on local stations and I'm hoping those happen before that deadline passes in case we're not on the ballot so that they're willing to talk to me.
And I'm going to use these soapboxes as far and wide as possible.
And even if you're not in Houston, Houston is the fourth largest city in the U.S.
It's in Harris County, the second largest county in the entire United States.
What happens here does matter and does affect other places, not just in Texas.
So if we're able to stay on the ballot, I will potentially, especially because I'm polling, be on two televised debates that are going to be seen across the fourth largest city in the U.S. talking about all the things that we've talked about today.
I'm talking about taking away the power of the mayor to equalize it with the city council to give people a voice so they can actually affect change.
We're talking about the crimes of COVID-19 44.
We're talking about police surveillance and all these things.
And at the end of the day, right now, I mean, I'm just going to be real.
Like, I've got $2,000 in the bank for this campaign, and it's going to take $3,000 at least to get this lawyer.
It's going to take, you know, more if we want to continue to do our campaigning, get material to talk to people and pass that information.
It takes money to run these campaigns.
And the other campaigns have millions of dollars.
I'm so proud of our small team of what we've done with $10,000, but we do need a little bit more financial help if we're going to make these next two weeks matter and more importantly, to stay on the ballot for the final two and a half months.
So if you've got, you know, a 5,000, 10, 20, whatever you can, go to the derekbrose.com website.
You'll see the donate page, figure out which works best for you.
And if you can give, it will matter.
I mean, this is the crucial point right now.
If you can give now, I will make sure that every single dollar is spent.
It's not going to make sure I can eat at some luxury, fancy restaurant.
It's going to fight this battle.
Derek, thank you so much.
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