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Is Everything On The Table In This Ritualistic Abuse Case?

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Covering Old Cases 00:14:21
Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here, and I'm a little bit in shock, and I know that my guest today is a little bit in shock because we have been covering this case that spans now several decades,
really almost the vast majority of my lifetime, in Utah that had a previous investigation that a lot of people had brushed off as a subsidiary of this quote-unquote satanic panic narrative back in the 80s and 90s.
And out of nowhere, I'd say earlier in the year, it popped back into the public eye in the most bizarre of ways.
You had somebody who was part of the Utah government, David Levitt, come out and say that he was not a cannibal or a ritualistic child abuser.
I'm going to leave it at that.
And other people, like my friend, Derek Brose of the Conscious Resistance, who we're really going to go over the ins and outs of this case, I mean, period.
You know, went back, saw the original investigations, expanded into the Mormons and the Church of Latter-day Saints and even people like Gordon B. Hinckley, got really some historical references that were quite alarming.
And then a man that he was talking about on this show months ago, David Hamblin, is arrested yesterday with some of the most atrocious of charges.
And I just want to show people this because we have the documents.
But right here is the Utah County Sheriff's Report, inmate booking sheet.
And I don't even want to read what we have behind me, but this is a visual show, and certainly you can as well.
And I'm going to tell you right now, if you do choose to read this statement, it's pretty graphic.
It's pretty disturbing.
It goes on to a second page.
But if you want to know more about this case, again, Derek has done amazing work over at the Last American Vagabond.
Of course, is covering it right now.
That is Hamblin behind us over at theconsciousresistance.com.
And we're also covering it over at Red Voice Media.
So let's talk to Derek.
Derek, let's start with the arrest of Hamblin.
Let's talk about it.
Yeah, man.
You started out by saying you were feeling in shock.
I definitely felt that way yesterday when I got the news.
I was sitting here at desk.
And, you know, I've actually been talking with another source for a story I was working on specifically related to this case.
And somebody who was a victim of David Hamblin.
And they are the first person that reached out to me.
They, you know, said, hallelujah, Hamblin's been arrested.
And I mean, I think I like shouted, you know, out loud, like, what, what?
You know, just sort of in excitement, but also just in disbelief.
And yet, I mean, I will say definitely there's one victim, alleged victim at the moment, who is already, you know, feeling a sense of relief from this man being arrested.
And yeah, I mean, overall, it's been surprising.
I've been today actually chatting back and forth with Sergeant Spencer Cannon, who's the Public Information Officer of the Utah County Sheriff's Office, getting a quote from him for an article that should be published probably during this interview at the Last American Vagabond.
We just wrote an update kind of putting some of the pieces we're going to go over today into perspective for folks.
I mean, this is probably just the beginning.
The TIO Spencer's Cannon did say that this is the first of many arrests.
They don't know at what pace they're going to take.
He said, you know, things move slow, but they are anticipating more arrests.
So let's bring it back to the case before the case, right?
Before we get there, I'd like to commend Adam Herbet, who Herbett's, I'm sorry, he's the one that is really driving this case over at Fox 13.
And when you know you're over the target, people come at you like this.
Now, this person, David Levitt, is the person who outed himself.
All right.
He didn't have to out himself, but outed himself as one of the suspects in this case.
And there are numerous suspects.
We're not talking about one or two people.
And I want to remind people, all right, number one, until somebody's proven guilty, these are just cases.
I want to make that specifically clear.
But number two, if they are in fact guilty, people that abuse children do not stop.
All right.
So if these are cases that go all the way back into the 80s and 90s, you would have decades of abuse.
And we know that abuse victims only come out in rare cases.
And especially when they see other abuse victims come out and then not be portrayed as victims of abuse by perpetrators of lies.
So this is Hamblin right here.
Or not Hamblin, I'm sorry.
This is Levitt.
Levitt.
And I really want to call out Fox 13.
Are they here?
That you?
Shame on your news station.
Shame on Adam Herbert.
That's Utah County Attorney David Levitt.
And two and a half months ago, upset with Fox 13 News for asking about allegations against him.
Rather than answering our questions, Levitt held a news conference to announce he was the subject of a ritualistic child sex abuse investigation that would probably go away soon.
But that hasn't gone away.
Today, prosecutors talked about the case in court.
Tonight, Fox 13 News investigative reporter Adam Herbetz joins us in studio with information about another suspect with ties to Levitt.
So obviously, we can now talk about at least one of those suspects with Hamlin being arrested.
Let's bring it back to your reporting on this case and the original investigation, because when that starts to unravel, you really get into the darkness into an individual called quote-unquote the Punisher, which, if true, again, these are scenes out of a Rob Zombie horror movie that involved the abuse of children.
Derek, go ahead.
Yeah, absolutely.
So let's start with the announcement that you were just talking about.
David Levitt, he's responding.
He came out with his own preference conference in response to the sheriff's office announcing an investigation into ritualized child sex abuse.
This took place May 31st.
So that's what we've been dealing with the last four months this summer, you know, just kind of slow developments, but really nothing happening.
And almost to the point of kind of thinking nothing's going to happen.
I guess, you know, it's just going to disappear, which, you know, now there's an arrest.
So that case, though, we didn't know anything about the details, even though David Levitt himself inserted himself into the investigation.
The sheriff's office still hasn't confirmed nor denied whether he is a suspect.
I mean, I think it's pretty clear now we know that David Lee Hamblin was arrested and the documents that David Levitt was speaking out saying, hey, me and my wife are listed in this.
This is all politically motivated.
Those documents directly relate to the case against David Lee Hamblin from 2012.
So the man who was just arrested, David Lee Hamblin, a therapist in Provo, Utah, he was actually originally arrested in 2012 under very similar charges of sodomy and rape and the sexual abuse of children.
And that case went on for about a year and a half and was dismissed without prejudice in 2014, which meant that it could come back later against him.
It wasn't dismissed despite what David Levitt tried to make it appear like.
It wasn't dismissed for lack of evidence or because, as David Levitt said, it was the story of a tragically mentally ill person.
It was dismissed because people were dragging their feet and the prosecutors were having difficulty getting all the documents they needed.
And so ultimately, they were forced to kind of let the case go.
And the judge dismissed it because they couldn't just hold David Lee Hamblin forever.
And they're like, hey, we're having trouble getting the documents we need from certain agencies and things of that sort.
So it was dismissed.
And then, you know, the sheriff said that their current investigation started last April, April 2021.
I think perhaps somebody decided to revisit the 2014 case against Hamblin or new victims came forward.
But we also know that once they announced this recent investigation, more than 130 tips have come in from all over the country, but definitely in different parts of Utah.
And let me just say here, because I think it's important for people to understand the gravity of these charges, we're talking about multiple children under the age, well under the age of 10 years old, number one.
Number two, we're talking about, I believe, the production of CP, because again, these things were filmed.
Number three, hypnosis is involved.
You know, as a therapist, this person was literally not only scolding these children while they were being abused.
I'm going to, that's very, it's me putting it very lightly, folks, but manipulating, I mean, just some of the, again, most disturbing stuff that you couldn't make up in a horror movie that's now not only being revisited, but obviously they're arresting people.
And they've arrested Hamblin and they've charged him with this.
So again, the first case, they made it seem like, oh, you know, they didn't have enough evidence, et cetera, et cetera.
But now, just like you said, another 130 tips.
Now, some of those tips might be poison.
Let's put that out there.
I think that's really important.
But obviously, you don't have a group of children coming together as adults to collude against somebody.
Instead, you have a bunch of individuals coming forward because they're seeing now other victims coming forward.
These people, again, like we talked about, do not stop Derek.
Yeah.
And, you know, it's also important to make sure that we make this clear that this isn't just about David Lee Hamblin or even David Levitt.
The original investigation involves accusations of ritualized child sexual abuse.
That's the sheriff's office words in three different counties in Utah between 1990 and 2010.
And when you look at the documents, so now that we know we can confirm David Lee Hamblin is at least part of the case, he might not be the focal point of the case, but he's part of the case.
Well, the documents that myself and Ryan at Last American Vag Bomb published over the summer that were part of my investigation, it's a full zip file you can get.
And in the new article coming out today, there will be another direct link to that.
This has all the witness statements, the victim statements against David Lee Hamblin, as well as video and audio recordings where he was being interviewed.
And, you know, he himself admitted in a recall that he didn't know was being recorded that he apologized saying, sorry, I raped you to one of the victims.
But my point with this is that the victim statements describe not just one man, David Lee Hamblin, or even two people, David Levitt, but a network of different people.
They do talk about an organized, you can say cult if you want, but an organized group of people enacting different sex parties, ritual abuse parties.
And some of them, as you were kind of hinting at earlier with the nickname of the Punisher, I mean, these are things like children being put in boxes for hours at a time and coming out and not being able to walk right and then, you know, being physically and sexually abused.
Some of the documents do refer to some of these individuals calling out to Satan or to Lucifer.
You know, there are those elements within these documents as well.
You know, it's some pretty disturbing stuff.
There's some Texas chainsaw massacre type stuff, if you know what I mean by that.
Yeah.
Again, we're just going to leave it at like skin suits.
You know, you think that the darkness can't go beyond the big screen and that it's all fun and games.
But unfortunately, there are disturbed people.
And we'd like to think that all those people get caught and they would never collude with one another.
They're lone crazies.
Remember the narrative around John Wayne Gacy, which I think was again shattered in The Clown and the Candyman with Dean Carroll and others.
People need to see that.
But again, it's one person and they're doing the crazy thing.
And even this new Dahmer series, right, that's out on Netflix.
Again, there's no chance that there might have been something more to Dahmer or his collusion with anybody else.
We now have chaos out there about Charles Manson and the probability, I would say, that he was at least protected by some of these agencies, these three-letter agencies that are supposedly, again, in our best interests.
But now you see the three-letter agencies openly mobilizing against the general populace.
They've built their infrastructures with things like fusion centers.
And that's what people don't get.
It's not just conservatives.
It's not just far-right or QAnon people.
They don't like people that are in the nation of Islam and follow Louis Farrakhan.
They don't like anti-government groups.
They don't like Cop Watch, all those other things.
So now that's aimed there, but we have a long history of those three-letter agencies protecting people who are within the government, within the upper echelons of the entertainment industry as well, within the upper echelons of business.
And this is one of those cases where you look at Levitt.
Levitt is very much in the inner workings of Utah, of that entire state, and it goes just beyond this country, even globally.
We've actually talked about that.
He has some interests in the Ukraine.
And then this other individual who is named as the quote-unquote punisher is in the media in many ways.
And it sounds bizarre and you can't make it up.
And obviously, these people would have been caught.
But as I've talked about on this show, I want people to go re-watch really all of True Detective.
I think all three seasons are very powerful and hinted things, but especially that first season.
And I'm spoiler alert.
Yeah, they get the guy, but it's obviously not the guy.
Predator Among Us 00:10:44
And it's a network of people.
And they even refer at the very end, we couldn't get all of them.
He's like, hey, man, that's just the way the world works.
So speak to, if you haven't seen it, you need to see that.
I'm actually in the middle of watching it right now.
So thanks for the spoiler, and I'm excited to see where it goes.
Well, I'll tell you what, the other seasons, although they're their own stories, they all take place in the same world.
And it very much kind of alludes to all these things in the background.
The next season alludes to, for instance, powerful men in a Bohemian Grove type situation, trafficking in women, as well as other things.
So, you know, Hollywood does give you some kind of a picture, but it's always in the background.
And in the foreground is kind of this cartoon level, you know, like, for instance, the Texas Chainsaw Massacre people are just disgusting people.
There's no way that they can really make it.
It's cartoon level, right?
But then you see some of that behavior.
And this person is probably looked upon as, you know, not only a functioning member of society, but somebody you would look to as, say, an authoritative source, Derek.
Yeah, an upstanding citizen.
I think that's also some of the most disturbing things about this, right?
And this is why, again, like the shock of, oh my God, something's happening is because this isn't like in the case of the Finders or even like, let's say, Gordon B. Hinckley and this coverage I was doing on that, you know, people who are dead and gone.
And now they're coming out and saying, oh, by the way, these people did that.
This involves people who are alive right now.
David Levitt is still the county attorney.
You know, they could be maybe waiting until he's out of office to make an arrest in that case if that's coming.
And I definitely think we don't know the full extent of what he's involved in in Utah through his Levitt Foundation.
I mean, in Ukraine, through his Levitt Foundation.
And then, of course, there's the ties to the Mormon church.
Like, I think probably right now with the arrest of David Lee Hamblin and the fact, I don't know if we've mentioned this, but he was denied bail.
So he's not going to be released at all until there is a trial.
Which is amazing, by the way, because in a time now, first of all, when not only a time now, but for a long time with the deck stacked against us in these cases of high-level child abuse that have any hint of the darkness we're talking about, to have a judge say, you know what?
Maybe enough is enough.
And this person doesn't go bail.
I mean, I just reposted a story from the Dalton Report on Twitter.
They do great work, but you've got an individual who is arrested again.
Let me say this again for the abuse of someone under 10 when this person abused a four-year-old.
Here's the deal.
Okay.
You abuse a four-year-old and you get convicted in any way, shape of sexual abuse of a four-year-old.
You don't go back into society, period.
That's it.
You're out.
We don't need you here.
We never wanted you here.
It's society's job then to protect every other child in it from a predator like that.
And we failed again.
So this is just so refreshing to see a judge do this.
And I'm hoping for more arrests.
But speak to that.
Like we have this consistency in this country, although people don't see it because it's only in headlines when somebody in the Catholic Church gets caught or somebody in the Boy Scouts gets caught and there's a large organization behind it.
But even then, they don't get into the nitty-gritty details, right?
At all.
There always seems to be this idea that we're going to go light on them or there's another chance or maybe they go to rehab somehow.
I mean, that's imagination land.
When you're a predator on a child, you're a predator on a child for life.
I want to send you this, Jason.
I'm going to send it to you real quick just to see if you can put it on the screen there.
This is, I think, maybe something we should, it might give us some insight into where things are headed.
If you go to the press release for the Utah County Sheriff's Office, I'll just send it to you, where they have the David Lee Hamblin arrest press release, right?
But it's interesting to note, and I think you shared it with me.
I know a couple other people shared it.
Right before the David Lee Hamblin press release is another arrest that they announced about a week or two ago.
And that's the arrest of this other official.
Now, we don't know, and they don't say if this is tied to the same investigation, but I just find that this is curious.
They arrested a man named Gary Lee Bell for child sexual abuse and exploitation charges.
And this guy is the former attorney within the Utah Attorney General's office.
So you have people with, I mean, you can just see the corruption going on here.
Have the current county attorney, David Levitt, suspected of something, or at least we know he's actively accused of things in this current investigation.
And then you got a man named Gary Lee Bell, former attorney within the Utah Attorney General's office, being arrested for child sexual abuse charges because they found him with child porn on his devices and stuff.
So I just, I don't, and again, it doesn't say explicitly if this is connected to the other investigation, but it's just like, what the heck is going on in Utah, first of all?
And well, the guy is 66 years old, too.
So again, he fits in that age range.
Because again, they're not specific if anything else other than the child pornography is going on.
But like you said, these are networks.
And perhaps on a, you know, they got the tip because he was somebody involved.
I mean, that's pure speculation.
But again, they're in law enforcement, right?
These people are part of the supposed government that's supposed to be protecting the rest of us.
And if they're guilty of the crimes they're being accused of, they are the monsters among us that nobody wants to talk about.
Exactly.
I mean, and this is why, this is what makes reporting on some of this really hard, man.
It's like, I have another source that I'm hoping to do some reporting with in the next week, especially now that David Lee Hamblin has been arrested.
They feel a lot more excited about this and comfortable coming forward.
But they also do not have any trust in the police because this person claimed that they have tried to come forward in the past and discuss their abuse or tried to get some help with abuse that they suffered and got no help from the law enforcement in Utah.
And I won't say which specific area.
But so when those kinds of things happen, when people who are victims, or at least they say, look, I have a story.
I need to tell it.
Like, can you please investigate?
You know, see if we can get to the bottom and get me some justice.
And they're just totally ignored or cast out or demonized.
And yeah, it does discourage people from speaking up.
But hopefully now with this arrest of David Lee Hamblin and the arrest of this other guy, you know, just in general, those kinds of actions being taken.
And as you mentioned, like being denied bail, that's a big step, right?
That will hopefully show some of anybody out there watching as well who might have information or details they want to share to feel a little safer.
Now, at the same time, I totally understand.
I want to share this with you.
This is going to be in my article here in just a bit on Last American Vagabond, but I'll share it here as well.
I was talking to the Sergeant Spencer Cannon, the PIO, about this as well.
And I just said frankly, like, look, there are people who are who really have lost faith in anything positive happening, you know, and are sort of like shocked that this arrest even took place, but are skeptical that justice will be served or whether or not David Lee Hamblin will even make it to trial, you know, or something might happen to him.
And he Sergeant Spencer Cannon said the following, quote, we have been trying to break down those walls and expose, arrest, charge, and convict those responsible for these things.
And then he said as well, and I think this is interesting, one of the most disturbing and disappointing things in our overall investigation was when Levitt came out and referred five times to the victim as tragically mentally ill, his own words, to shame and blame a victim because of what he says is mental illness is reprehensible.
To say a victim is not credible because of mental illness is beyond shameful.
And this is exactly what he did.
So just, you know, interesting aspect.
You know what?
I'm hoping.
At least I believe there are good people in the world.
I believe there are good people in law enforcement.
I believe that's the only reason that Epstein was ever arrested in the first place is because in the court of public opinion, people couldn't believe it and they were outraged.
And they reached some local law enforcement in New York, some people that had just had enough and said, hey, we're going to take a different angle.
And that was the end of that.
That's about as far as it went.
I mean, as soon as it got to the federales, obviously things changed tremendously.
And the first suicide in MCC happened in 13 years twice.
It's just, it's wacky, but true.
But listen, you know, I looked at the Gary Bell thing a little bit closer.
Again, you were the first person to talk about it.
He also denied bail.
And we were talking about, again, aggravated sexual abuse of a child, first-degree felony.
We're talking about a sodomy.
And then you have exploitation of a minor, 12 counts.
So that to me would suggest that there is the possibility, like we were discussing, of some kind of production of CP, of some type of a network, again, 66 years old.
Good on these judges and good on these police officers.
We need more of them.
And I would argue, you know, again, in the Franklin scandal, you had some people in law enforcement locally that were breaking the story via the finders and that scandal in particular.
And then you even had national media with the Washington Times in that case breaking the story, showing the receipts literally of Craig Spence, for instance, and then being attacked by the LA Times and then the Washington Post and the national media.
And that, again, is a theme that goes back decades, Derek.
Yeah, and you mentioned the finders, and I just want to add to that that you had Ramon Martinez, who was with the Customs Service.
He was one of the main people trying to speak out then.
But you also have other people that I've since discovered by looking at the documents.
Sergeant Bell, I believe was his name, over at he was in the Washington Metro Police Department.
He was one of the people asking questions that also died of a heart attack around that time.
I don't know exactly, you know, we haven't been able to find out if that was unusual for his health or not.
But there definitely are examples in these cases where you have the local cops or maybe the cops who first initially get a hold of whatever the case may be, and they're doing some real work and they're like, oh my God, there's something here.
And then maybe somebody from the FBI or CIA shows up and says, hey, guys, we're here to take this case over.
And from there, things tend to degrade.
And again, that's a theme that we see over and over and over again when you get into high-level trafficking cases or really an event of national media attention.
Tape: Are the Children Lying? 00:06:25
We see it again and again and again, but especially in the case of child sexual abuse.
That should raise red flags.
Again, the infrastructure that protects people like Dennis Hassert and Anthony Weiner and Barney Frank, that should scare people, but they don't understand that infrastructure.
Foley would be another one, has been in place for a reason because a lot of these people are also under blackmail, for instance.
You know, we quickly highlighted Midnight Climax, which is the brothels.
Again, the CIA was involved in sex trafficking at a time when a lot of these prostitutes were teenage runaways.
You do the math.
You think they were checking IDs for 18-year-olds to put in their little mind control experiments where they would drug the Johns and then tape them?
You don't think that they also used that on politicians when they were all again outed in this book doing the same thing in the 80s to people of prominence?
Speak to that aspect of it because obviously that bleeds into the Epstein case as well.
You know, and that's what makes everything so bizarre because some of this is blackmail.
Then you get this weird ritualistic abuse thing.
Epstein himself on that island certainly had things looking in a manner.
He had that sundial no one talked about, right?
A lot of people pointed to the blue and white, like Egyptian style thing.
Yeah, but he had that sundial.
Talk about the weird occult aspects to these people.
Yeah, Jason, did we talk already in our previous discussion?
I can't remember if it was before or after we also released this tape.
I know we talked about Gordon B. Hinckley, but we just released this other tape, this report I did, kind of in response to NBC's recent propaganda about satanic panic.
It was this tape titled, Are the Children Lying?
Did we discuss that already?
No, let's talk about it.
Okay, so again, this was published on The Last American Vagabond.
I did an article about it, but I published the video on all my channels.
People can go find it.
And this was also sent to me by a source.
It was basically another VHS tape that, you know, somebody's home recording in the 90s in Oklahoma.
There was this journalist named Brad Edward at Oklahoma 5 News or something like that.
And he had a segment that he would do every night on the evening news called In Your Corner.
And he was kind of a, you know, fighting for the people type of like exposing local crime, an actual investigative journalist on the local level.
And so some point in the 90s, I haven't been able to pinpoint exactly what year it was, but sometime in the early 90s, he did a six or seven part investigation called Are the Children Lying?
And it was about so-called satanic ritual abuse, SRA, or just ritualistic abuse.
And so like, I got what it appears to be, it was like Monday through Sunday.
He must have like, hey, tonight we're going deeper.
And so this VHS just compiles all the reports together.
And so we released it online.
And, you know, I think it's, it's a good watch for people who might be new to this topic, but also just to kind of see that there was legitimate reporting and people asking questions about this back in the early 90s and the 80s.
And now, of course, now everything we're told, like the folks at NBC would like you to believe is this is all satanic panic.
And, you know, the most disturbing thing, the most annoying thing about it, Jason, is that this journalist over at NBC News, she wrote this piece where she interviewed David Levitt and kind of just like put him as like the victim in the whole thing.
It's like, oh, this poor guy, he got caught up in satanic panic 2.0, QAnon nonsense.
You know, he lost his election because he was accused of this and that.
And they told, you know, they wait till like paragraph 12 to say, oh, by the way, this all started because the sheriffs are investigating ritualistic sexual abuse.
You know, they try to just downplay the whole thing.
It was just horrible, horrible reporting.
And now that David Lee Hamblin's been arrested, I'm sure there'll be no updates, no corrections or anything.
But anyways, that's the way that they want to frame it is that everything that happened back then was all just false memory syndrome, hysteria, et cetera, et cetera.
Just laugh at it.
Ha ha, it's funny.
And they're posting.
I saw the woman who wrote the article like posting a Saturday Night Life meme with like the devil and like saying, don't tarnish my good name.
Like they're just, it's all a joke to them, right?
It's like, well, no, there were real people asking questions back then.
And so that's why I think this that report, Are the Children Lying, is worth watching because it shows you a journalist at the time asking these questions.
And in that report, there are children discussing the abuse that they suffered.
And they don't show their faces.
They're kind of dark, you know, shadow, but you can hear them talking.
And the things that the kids are describing in these reports, which were played on TV, so they don't get super graphic.
But the things that they even share and they draw out pictures of what they said they witnessed.
I don't think most kids can just pull these things out of their mind, even with the exposure to the internet and everything else we have.
Like the things that they describe are, there is a ritualistic element.
There is claims of like, again, some claims about Lucifer and this and that.
Whether or not you believe that or not is irrelevant.
This is what the kids and the victims are saying.
The people doing it to them were doing.
Well, I'll tell you what, it sounds like we're going to have to have a Burmese brigade watch along on that.
Because people do need to see that aspect of it.
I think it's important you brought that up because you have this Hollyweird, cartoonized idea, number one, of what it is, right?
And how it's really not possible outside of a lone knot.
And it's not possible outside of a loony family.
They couldn't possibly have any power or anything like that, right?
I think the true detective breaks that mold.
But then you have well-meaning people that want to believe in heroes and villains and maybe already have a religious edge to them that will take information that is simplified and truly is misinformation.
So instead of talking about the Crowley-esque origins, not Crowley-esque.
I mean, I only say Crowley-esque because he says he was encanting a demon, but writing down that the most powerful type of sex magic is basically. raping a young virgin boy and at the height of climax, cutting his throat and taking the blood.
And that's drinking it.
You know, and that's kind of where this adrenochrome madness comes from.
Now, the other end of that, adrenochrome is a real drug.
You can get it.
It does come from the pineal gland.
It is prescribed in some cases.
Daughter's Political Game Changer 00:10:35
But you take those two things, you morph them together, and then you put Ellen DeGeneres in them with no actual information.
And it's some kind of a weird message board drop.
And that's what goes viral.
And then you see all these photos.
Oh, look, they've got ankle bracelets and they're not looking well because they haven't had their adrenochrome.
So then all of a sudden, that is the new cartoon that the media runs with all the time.
When Derek and I talk about this, which is well documented, when we talk, when we can name names of political elites, when we can name names of Hollyweirdos, okay, that absolutely do abuse children, that's their go-to.
That's their discrediting.
And now it's not just the debunkers or even the authoritative fact checkers that we're seeing or the censors.
They've taken it to the next level.
And you're a domestic terrorist.
Speak to that.
Yeah.
Well, two things there.
I mean, you're right.
And that was part of the reason I chose to do a video and an article in response to the NBC piece and kind of time it with, oh, by the way, you think it's all fake?
Here's a report from back in the 90s with the real journalist, right?
Because it is beyond frustrating, man, to have spent the last four months going, digging up sources, emailing, calling people, you know, checking my facts, doing the real work, and then to have some former librarian, now journalist working for NBC News, publish this, you know, thousand word report that's getting tweeted by a bunch of other blue checks on Twitter elsewhere and promoted.
Oh, those blue check marks.
Again, you see one of those, you know, they're there for you.
Give me a break, but continue.
Yeah.
And they just, you know, they just laugh it off and dismiss it.
And again, like for me, it's not about like, hey, I'd like somebody to recognize my work.
Of course, those things are nice as well.
But for me, it is like I think I was telling you last time, it really is about the victims.
You know, I've been speaking with the victims of Walton B. Hunter of the Mormon Church, his daughters, you know, trying to get their voices heard.
Like I said, I have another source who is pretty close to David Lee Hamblin and is going to be coming out and speaking now that he's been arrested within the next couple of weeks.
Like those are the people that I care about.
Those are the stories that need to be heard.
And when these just these hacks, it's the nicest thing I can say at NBC and elsewhere can just use their big, you know, big soapbox and just downplay all this and then give somebody like Levitt A voice, you know, I can't necessarily say that it that there's no connection.
Part of it feels like that was done to maybe even preempt this arrest and what might be coming for Levitt, just downplay it because the fact that they kind of plucked him out and made him the focal point of this article.
They went into other stories, but they were like, oh, boo-hoo, poor this guy, because of these crazy QAnon people in Utah.
He lost his election because he got accused of this and that.
You know, it's just, it's, it's so, uh, it's so frustrating to deal with that.
Um, yeah.
And I think that ultimately, the reason for the obfuscation and the QAnon poisoning the well of the real investigation of the Franklin scandal, the finders, and all the other things you've already covered, um, is that is for that specific purpose so that people like us look crazy and other folks, you know, they might come visit my website and they see something about ritual abuse and something goes off in their mind saying, What is this, QAnon?
What is this?
You know, some you must think that there's tunnels with Trump saving the day, right?
They're going to make whatever assumptions they want.
And because that's just how a lot of people operate.
Now, those who have critical thinking, of course, will look at it and see what they come up with, but that has got to be one of the most annoying parts of this whole operation.
And I do believe that was 100% what the QAnon scheme, whatever you want to call it, was all about.
It was absolutely.
Again, it was misdirecting well-meaning people to believe in superheroes and simplify what was going on in these mass generalizations of they're a blood-drinking Satanist, et cetera, et cetera.
Don't worry, trust plans.
We're all together.
It was massive hype and groupthink around deception.
And I really want to point to this again because it's really important.
These are real people.
And child abusers don't stop ever.
They don't stop.
They go until they die.
They don't just call it a day, folks.
I want to make that very clear.
So when you're carrying water for these people, shame on you.
Shame on you.
When you're part of a media organization, you know, for instance, I don't know if you've seen Shadowland yet, but this is the Atlantic thing.
And, you know, one of the worst parts about it was when it was smearing this mother who was going to basically, she was doing the right thing.
She's protecting her children the best way she knew how.
She was going to school board meetings and speaking her mind.
And, you know, this woman, I guess, had a couple of QAnon posts because she certainly wasn't talking about it all the time in the interviews.
But they found those QA.
I don't know whether they were the retweets or Instagrams, but then they melded it into this narrative that if you question anything during that time period, and we're on YouTube, so I'm not even going to say the words.
But then you're a kook and a nut.
And basically, they portrayed everybody in there on that show of this guy has lost the opportunity to see his daughter.
These two are in a tumultuous relationship and they're crying all the time.
This person's going to jail and being defended by somebody who's in the sovereign citizen movement, et cetera.
And then also lumping that all into QAnon.
And it's time for a civil war.
And they also lump that all in with if you're talking about high-level sex abuse, they never mention Epstein.
You know, speak to that aspect of it too because now they're ramping it up with us versus them.
And it's not, you and I have never been a Republican, bro.
We've never gone down that, you know, neoconservative march or been preachers.
We've been just trying to tell the truth from our own perspectives.
And by the way, have disagreements along the way.
No big deal.
But now, again, they're lumping everyone in.
And it's really anybody that's questioned the establishment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So back to that point.
So that is, that is the other component of when I was writing about this NBC article.
It wasn't just about the David Levitt aspect, but I also included, and it was so weird.
These two articles came out on the same day, two different NBC reporters.
One is like, hey, satanic panic's a fake thing.
Just laugh at it.
Don't worry.
Feel bad for David Levitt.
Then there was this other report that was reporting on how a man in Michigan had shot his wife and his daughter.
The daughter didn't die.
The wife did die.
And, you know, that's like the main story, right?
Man kills wife, shoots daughter.
He's under arrest.
There's an investigation going on.
No, but NBC frames it like, oh, well, one of his daughters said that he followed Trump and QAnon posts and he believed election lies.
And so that's like the headline, of course, right?
And the first few paragraphs are all about this man's political beliefs.
And then again, down in paragraph 10 or 11, they admit that the sheriff's office investigating it has no motive at the moment.
You know, so there's no connection between his political beliefs as far as we know at the moment, but they're so desperate to make that connection.
And they never talked about the drugs that person might have been on.
And I'm not talking about Mary Jane, guys.
I'm not talking about Sir Smokes a lot.
I'm talking about was he on big pharma medication.
Often when you have these situations when someone flips and kills their spouse and their kids and then commits suicide or tries to go suicide by cop, they are on psychotropic medications.
Exactly.
These medications, again, in the side effects panel, forget about just suicidal thoughts and actions.
Let me say that again.
Actions.
Psychosis is a big one.
They don't ever talk about that.
Psychosis is your break from reality.
And you never see a main, you'll never see a headline on it.
I'll tell you that, especially if they're on a lot of them, Derek.
And they, and just that, that, again, just like the weakness of this reporting, this journalism, the rush to immediately equate crime, violence, murder, dangerous person.
Oh, believed in, you know, unpopular opinions.
I think they said he also didn't trust the vaccines.
He didn't trust 5G.
And then the daughter makes sure to say something.
And again, maybe his daughter said this.
Maybe she didn't.
Maybe he did believe those things.
But there's no evidence at the moment of a motive.
Like you said, it could have been psychotropic drugs.
It could have been husband and wife just general argument.
Who knows?
There's no evidence that they were arguing over QAnon and he got so enraged because his wife didn't believe it.
He killed his whole family or something.
But there is this extreme effort.
And this is part of the Biden administration's ongoing effort to essentially say if you don't have opinions that are in line with the majority, then that makes you an extremist, right?
So whether you question child abuse and ritual abuse and you believe in those things, well, then you're just a crazy satanic panic QAnon person.
And if you question the strength of election integrity, if you question corruption in government, 5G, the shots, et cetera, well, then you're just some dangerous extremist.
Like that, this is all part of messaging that's going on.
And it was kind of a shock to see that NBC would just be so blatant, put them out both out on the same day.
I mean, I'm shocked by almost nothing at this point, but it's not true.
Like I said, I started this one shocked that there was an arrest made in this case.
And now that you're talking about Gary Bell and their similar age groups and the fact that Levitt has lost his election and may not be protected for much longer.
Although I don't like the idea of waiting on an arrest for political reasons at all.
Yeah, I know.
And again, especially one of this gravity, where literally children's lives may be in danger.
And I don't think people get it sometimes.
How not, you take away the ritualistic aspect of this.
But when you're sexually abused as a child, game changer, game changer for the rest of your life, whether you like it or not, it's going to be with you the rest of your life.
And, you know, obviously that never happened to me.
I feel extremely lucky looking at some of these victims because, again, that's a real deal.
It is a game changer on how you're going to view the world for the rest of your life.
And that's why it's so important that we protect our children.
And that's, I mean, that's what it's really about, guys.
I mean, seriously.
And again, those vipers in the media want to not only marginalize that, but turn it on its head and make it sound like we're the crazies and the kooks for wanting to do that for kids.
Game Changer 00:03:23
And we're seeing more of that.
Derek, go ahead.
Yeah, I just want to add, just pair that up with the increasing hypersexualization of children that we're seeing all around.
I mean, those two things, like, hey, anybody questioning this, that this could be happening?
Satanic, panic, silly, you're crazy, QAnon person.
And at the same time, children should be exposed to everything sexual at a very young age.
Like, it's a dangerous position to be.
No, and we're there.
First of all, you've got to DM me that report because we are going to do a watch along.
I don't know if we'll do it today, but maybe we will.
And number two, let people know where your latest reporting on this is going to be.
You can find it at the LastAmerican Vagabond and theConsciousResistance.com, correct?
Yep, absolutely.
I just put out my kind of video summary of everything about this yesterday on theconsciousresistance.com.
And Ryan is editing up my article right now.
So that'll be published any moment here at thelastamericanvagabond.com.
Excellent, my friend.
You know, more arrests comes.
I'm going to keep you up to date.
You keep me up to date.
I know you got a lot going on behind the scenes, but I really do want to thank you for being at the forefront of this.
And I want to thank Adam Herbettz for being, you know, one of the lone voices in the mainstream media and holding someone's feet to the fire when they see there's plenty of evidence that this isn't just a runaround and that there is some weight to this case.
So thank you once again, Derek.
Thank you, brother.
Appreciate you.
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