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June 21, 2022 - Info Warrior - Jason Bermas
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A Union Of The Unwanted Where Are The Solutions To The Problems Of The State

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Union of the Unwanted 00:15:07
The Union of the Unwanted back.
Boy, what day is it?
It is June 20th, 2022.
The state rules.
Anarchy sucks.
Ricky, take it away.
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Today we were going to get in, well, the world has lots of problems and there's a lot of different philosophies on how to resolve those.
And we kind of want to get into some of those things.
And we got Ronnie, who lives in Finland and lives in a socialist country.
We have people who have different ideologies in regards to more libertarian views, more left-leaning views.
And we kind of wanted to, I guess, try to filter out the bad ideas and challenge some ideas and kind of, you know, try to learn a little bit in the process.
So is there anything that somebody wants to start off with or you want to get into for that?
Let me just be the first to say fuck anyone who doesn't agree with me.
So you're going to fit in nicely here, Nico.
Perfect.
I want to say something.
So, you know, I wrote a book with Jeff Berwick.
He is the founder of Anarchipoco, the largest anarchist convention in the world.
It happens in Acapulco, Mexico.
And we go to these conferences and we talk about the idea of the state.
Now, we're all born into this world and in this current incarnation, we're all used to living under the state.
And it occurred to me that there's got to be a better way to do things.
And you go to these conferences and you hear about these ideas of how to view things differently.
How are we going to, you know, how should we craft society?
What should we do?
Who should be in charge?
What are the rules?
Things like that.
And it's, for a lot of people, it's very difficult to wrap your head around the concept of there not being a state.
So maybe the first place to start is to understand or to talk about why the state exists.
And obviously, we have our problems with it for sure.
Is there a version of the state that we can live with?
Or does it all have to go?
So, you know, we've got a lot of different people here.
We've got to have to define what a state is, right?
Right.
What we call a state in many countries before, obviously, colonialism, they would just call it a tribe or a region and they would still, but still have a governance, although it would be obviously different than what we would consider governors today.
There was still some type of consensus of how things should be run.
And there was a group effort to maintain that.
So I guess we would first have to have to define a state.
Right.
Right.
And we know that when you're in tribes of, you know, when we were a smaller number of people on this planet, we were in tribes and that worked fine.
But once the statistical analysis of that shows that once you get above like 300 people, it becomes more difficult to manage this tribe where everybody shares everything and human nature takes over.
So, how much of this is human nature and how much of this is top-down control being set up by oligarchs that figure, well, the best way to control these sheep is to create a concept of the state and run this with somebody in charge and everybody else following the rules.
So, I'm interested to know who's lived in a better system than this current system.
You mentioned Ronnie living in a socialist country.
Let's talk about that count.
I like to say I live in cold Florida.
I live in Iowa, so it's cold.
I live in Miami.
I live in cold Florida.
Not cold, but we feel cool.
Well, can we find any, is there anything about the state that we can say we need, we appreciate, we want?
Or is it, or are we just sort of unable to crack this paradigm because it's just the most familiar one that we've grown up in?
You know, I would say that sorry.
No, no, no, please go.
Yeah, I would say that, you know, I think a solution that the state can provide is to protect peaceful people against violent people.
If there's going to be any type of tribe, obviously I would consider that probably number one.
And I would think that everybody would agree that, hey, if we had a security force, whether you call it the police department or private security or whatever, that would be something that the tribe would consider a function of a state or an organization to protect people of that tribe.
So let me just first talk about how I see power structures forming.
And it doesn't matter where the power structures are throughout history, they gravitate towards an individual figure and smaller and smaller numbers controlling them, especially when you look at religions and then civilizations built around religions.
And then let's get into the oligarchies that we still have, bloodlines, rulers, royalty, and then our system.
And I'm glad he said defense, right?
After we had defended ourselves and broken away from a ruling colony system, before we had states and what would become states and what we call states, we had sheriffs, right?
We had agreed upon rules.
And they were the very first infrastructure other than our militias and our military that were governing these rules that then the states would kind of form out of.
And I guess our modern day view of that.
I would just like to say, I don't know that we're in a situation where we are ever going to get rid of said nation states unless it is from a top-down perspective, unfortunately, because there is already an infrastructure network that is well beyond nation states that we see right now in a techno-fascist transhumanism takeover.
And they're openly colluding against us.
Their mouthpiece are now these globalist forums in Davos.
They hid their number one meeting from everybody till the day of in Bilderberg and D.C. of all places.
So, you know, we're talking about real-based solutions.
I think that unfortunately we're kind of beyond the solution that we're going to be able to break up the state and we're going to have our own little civilizations and rules.
And I think the real solution is how do we navigate through the next few months, few years in what I think is possibly a hot World War III?
Like the Ukrainian situation is not going out.
Now we have more and more ground troops that are being exposed, captured and killed, by the way, and killed over there.
It's only a matter of time before that powder kick.
So I'm more of the decentralized, localized solutions for kind of riding this wave.
Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm not optimistic enough.
Maybe I'm not pessimistic enough.
So I want to say something.
First of all, Jason, I agree with you actually about a lot of what you said.
I think we have progressed way too far into what we have seen.
People, the idea of states is at this point here to stay within the context of like just like what Jason said, like we already understand all the problems.
And yet somehow they've actually, these people in power who have created these states have gotten more powerful.
But hear me out here.
Here's a possible solution.
And Steve might feel me here.
How about shrooms?
How about everybody do some fucking shrooms?
Okay.
And we have a national goddamn shroom day.
Now, hear me out.
I think I'm joking.
You think I'm joking?
You think I'm joking?
But this is real.
I'm with you.
I'm with you, too.
I've done a lot of shrooms in my life.
Okay.
And one thing that I've actually discovered is that when people are actually vibrating on the same frequency, they actually tend to see the same things and share the same enlightenment almost damn near at the same time.
And this is not even a joke.
This is reality.
I'm telling you.
But in all seriousness, the problem seems to be a breakdown in the understanding of what the problem is, which is why it seems impossible to find the solutions to those problems.
So I feel like if there was almost like a shared enlightenment, if you will, of what the problems actually are versus, oh no, it's racism.
Oh, no, it's sexism.
Oh, no, it's the Democrats.
Oh, no, it's the Republicans.
Oh, no, it's guns.
Actually, no, it's fucking peaceful.
Like, and when we really all know, like, it's just old rapey white people with money.
Like, we all know that's who's caused the problems.
But there's always like almost like mental or emotional like roadblocks to getting to that conclusion in a meaningful way that then resorts to a revolution or an evolution, if you will.
So I like, I, and I, I agree with Jason on the local lot.
You have to, all problems, all politics, obviously, are local.
And when you, a lot of the things that happen in Miami or Florida, you, people around the country feel like that's how things should be done.
And then you start to see other states, Georgia, North Carolina, start to follow that.
And then other states begin to be forced into doing the same thing just for the local people to maintain a little bit of power they do have and not upset the citizens of the area.
So I think that I, I mean, I tend to agree with Jason, like we might not be able to get rid of states as we know them right now.
What we can do is focus on localized solutions.
And then through those solutions, you generally see a macro effect over time.
And let me just hop on the back of that really quick, Steve.
Just really quick.
You know, you talked about states and really the highlight when we're getting outside of nation states of states within this country in Confine is that a separation of powers.
And it's one of the reasons I moved from New York to Iowa, right?
That there were these differences in how the culture was reacting and putting pressure on others.
So that's a feature for me in our constitutional republic, that type of statehood, because it is decentralized and it allows the citizenry in theory, if their vote actually counts and their electorate actually does what they say to be very different, like a like a Florida and a Texas and an Iowa and a South Dakota, especially during COVID 1984, Steve.
I think I have kind of a unique perspective on this.
For you guys who don't know, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, but I'm the Libertarian National Committee vice chair.
So obviously I see some utility in politics.
And, you know, I kind of tend to fall in line with the nullification and decentralization and the local level, like Nico was talking about.
I think that the only way we're going to make a change is to start taking over municipalities and localities and nullifying laws.
I mean, Jason's in Iowa.
Actually, I met you at the RA, the Rugged Demand show, Jason.
Great show.
Yeah, absolutely.
So In Iowa, they're working on a bill to completely nullify federal federal gun laws, right?
And that's that's kind of the way we're going to break up the country.
I mean, we may not ever actually break up the federal government, but we're going to have municipalities that are going to be able to nullify.
And that's what the Libertarian Party is now focusing on is trying to get into these local and state-level elections and take some of those positions so that we can nullify bad laws.
And I think that that's the way that it's going to come about.
It's not going to come about by running presidential candidates and third parties and stuff like that.
So, but effective in the past, though.
I don't understand.
So effective.
So effective.
Everyone's done real well with that.
Well, we, you know, we just had a huge change in the Libertarian Party.
I don't know if you guys are following along, but we, you know, the old regime is kind of dead now.
We took them all out of all their positions of power in like over 40 states and then the national level as well.
And so our focuses are changing big time.
And that's going to be one of the focuses.
We're going to focus more on taking over localities and municipalities and trying to nullify a lot of those bad laws.
And that's really the only way it's ever going to get done.
Because like Jason said, our vote doesn't really count.
I mean, let's be honest here.
You know that the whole thing is rigged.
It's a rigged election system.
It's been rigged.
It's not this 2020 wasn't the first year it was rigged.
It's been rigged for a long time.
We all know that.
And, you know, it doesn't matter whether it's Republicans or Democrats that win, it's rigged.
So we have to take over our municipalities.
And that's the only way it's ever going to happen.
And let me just, let me just cut a whole bunch of different ways to unpack like the first 15 minutes here.
Just real quickly, we've said on the show all the time that a revolution just takes you right back to where you started.
The only thing that's going to get anybody out of anywhere is some ascension.
So I believe that Nico is correct that we should have Mandatory Mushroom Day.
Not a proponent of mandates.
I'm not a proponent.
Take it sponsors.
However, I'm a proponent of the mandate.
It may help.
It may help.
Bill Hicks said you should take a squeegee to your third eye every once in a while.
And I believe that to be true.
I do.
I don't necessarily have to do it every day, just once in a while.
Hey, first of all, squeegee to your third eye for all you perverts out there.
It doesn't mean what you think it means.
Yeah, no.
As technology, I see Pasta over there getting excited.
He's like, yeah, I'm down to squeegee myself.
As technology has advanced, the ways in which authoritarianism and centralization of power have been able to sort of find ways to relax by spreading it out a little bit.
But centralized power always leads to totalitarianism.
That's the goal every single time.
The more central government you have, the more bureaucracy you have, the more guarantee you have that unelected people will be determining the outcome of everyday life.
And that has always proven to be 100% detrimental to the average person.
It's counterintuitive to the way that people interact with each other.
People interact with each other all the time in a manner of anarchy.
No one has authority over the other one.
No one's speaking for the other person.
At no point is there a threat or violence that's coming into the conversation.
Almost all of these interactions are of a mutualistic nature, if not voluntary.
When they're not voluntary, it's usually people coming together for a common purpose to get a task done.
This is generally the way that nations behave with each other.
Balkanization Strategies 00:07:21
But the point about nation states is also correct.
They don't exist to the people who pull the levels of power.
They don't exist to the people who are the oligarchs, who have the bloodlines that Jason was talking about, who have the, you know, have their little litmen go up and meet Davo every year, go hang out at Bilderberg.
So, if nation states aren't on the table for the people who are quite literally running shit, then the best you can do and what everyone should be doing is trying to shore up their communities as much as humanly possible.
If I don't, there's a lot of people here tonight.
If I don't jump in more often, grow food and make bullets.
I like that.
I like the bullets part.
I think on the local level, I think it makes a lot of sense strategy-wise to focus on the sheriff's department.
I mean, I think the libertarian party should probably sponsor people to go into the police academy to join the sheriff's department.
Let's take over the HR unit there.
And I mean, if you have a bunch of voluntarists or libertarians that are part of the sheriff's department, help with the local elections, electing a good sheriff.
I mean, there's, I mean, the sheriff is like the, you know, really pretty much the top of the hierarchy in terms of on the county level.
And I think that can, you know, probably is the quickest and most peaceful path to more prosperity and peace on the county level, at least in the U.S. I'm not sure how it would work, you know, rolling out to other countries.
But I think that just makes the most sense.
I mean, we should be making blacklists of these violent psychopaths that are ruining everything for everyone.
And hell, if they step, you know, if they step foot in your county, you can just arrest them right then and there or block out in any way that you can possible.
Link up with local sheriffs that are surrounding your county and make sure, you know, the IRS, the DEA, the whatever, they can only interact maybe with violent people in your municipality.
I just want to say I would like to request a doctor's note from the taking over the sheriff's department thing, please.
I'll support you.
I think that's something that the Libertarian Party hasn't really focused on for a long time.
I don't know if y'all know about Broward County Police and shit.
Oh, yeah, they're rough, dude.
These motherfuckers manufacture crack to get back people out of the cracks.
Manufacture, create a lab to sell crack.
There are a lot of those.
There's a lot of those positions around the country in the judicial branch that are elected positions as well.
You know what I mean?
And so, you know, that's something that the LP has not run for around the country, and they probably should focus more on that too.
I got questions.
I got questions.
So, so a lot of people, I feel that, you know, I jumped in here a little late.
Sorry about that, guys.
But, you know, the kind of like breaking up of America and what that represents.
Part of me wonders if it's part of a bigger plan to balkanize the United States, kind of like they did to the USSR, where they broke them down into smaller regions.
And then now all those regions are just at war constantly with each other.
And that would be a great way to break up the, you know, the United States.
It takes so many pussies in the U.S. for that to be a case.
Come on, I'll go straight back.
Do you imagine New York at Costa War?
But you know, it's like, you know, we have a lot of stuff going on right now.
I don't know what people feel about what's going on in Canada.
I think Canada is fucking super suspect right now because, you know, we know the whole goal is right to get the UN into the United States.
And if Canada falls, we've already heard stories of Chinese troops up there, stuff like that.
The question becomes: where's the entry point?
And it could be through Canada.
I know we think about open borders in Mexico, but nobody ever walks all the Canadian immigrants who come here and take all the good jobs, like writing gigs and starring in fucking sitcoms.
No Mexican's get in.
No Mexicans.
Robin Thing had a good two years.
Okay.
Robin Thay had a good two years.
Yeah.
So breaking down, you know, the influence of China and California and stuff like that, if we start balkanizing the United States, I think it's just an easier way to deal with, you know, just to break down the U.S. country.
I mean, any thoughts on that?
Well, six million of us are still trapped up here because you guys won't relax your border laws up here.
So that would help.
I feel like maybe they don't want all of us.
Maybe they don't want all the unjabbed to go congregate down there in the U.S. We're going to be able to see Graham.
As far as the balkanization part goes, so like there's some context that has to be considered.
The U.S. had been part of the plan historically to balkanize Russia.
Like they took two war wars, started two war wars rather, to do so, was involved with, actually, I don't know if a lot of people know this, but they actually were involved with the Bolshevik Revolution.
They actually, like, I know people think like, oh, it was like this great victory for democracy and socialism, but actually it achieved.
I don't think anyone thinks that, to be honest with you, dude.
I think everybody thinks that they went through there and that they basically used the Bolshevik Revolution as kind of what they're doing to the United States right now.
Oh, no, a lot of leftists, a lot of leftists who might be watching actually love the, they believe like the Bolshevik Revolution was an organic thing.
Yeah.
So like, which is not true under the czar, I mean, I'm not saying I believe in authoritarian rule, but it's easier to keep, to stay a cohesive unit under one ruler, especially whenever they believe that person like deserved to be there, whether it be by bloodline or whatever.
But like, it's easier to maintain.
It's only when you have like periods of transition, like we saw, obviously, during the Bolshevik Revolution, where things are supposed to start shaking up a little bit more.
The problem was they didn't expect it all to come out of nowhere and galvanize everybody.
But like, because the U.S. was involved in that, like, there's a reason that they wanted them balkanized, right?
And then Korea balkanized and they tried to do Vietnam and they did a lot of the Middle East.
If you do that here, then it's like, what, who's in charge?
They do not want balkanization of the U.S.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Who's in charge now?
The powers of China.
I'm pretty sure, like, I don't, I don't necessarily want China in charge.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people want because that would be the next step.
It's much easier for them to control us as one nation.
Yeah.
And they can't control China.
Like, I know people like, you can feel one way or the other about China.
Hold on, hold on.
People need to understand.
China will do what the hell they want to.
So you don't want them in charge either.
They can't be controlled.
They've done it all over the place.
They did to the Middle East.
That was the whole point of going into the US.
What you're suggesting is that they would do it to themselves.
That doesn't make any sense.
The whole reason you balkanize is so that you disperse the power in a way it's easier to control versus here.
Why would you disperse power when you have all of it?
Yeah, exactly.
The point is to make your own border bigger while you make everybody else's borders smack.
Exactly.
Disrupt sovereignty.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
That they're going to break us up because it's easier to break up.
It's easier to take over sections if it's not one big thing.
And like the South and But they already have us taking over.
Oligarchy's Divide and Rule 00:13:52
Motherfuckers are taking jabs like to the throat.
Like this shot at Tequila.
I mean, what else do they need to do?
That's what I'm trying to understand.
Like, what would be the goal?
Let me jump in here really quickly.
Because you can't go into the United States with an army.
You'll be sent back in body bags.
So it's like break it up in smaller chunks, kind of like what they did to Russia.
You couldn't go into Russia with an army.
Okay, so now I guess I'm trying to figure out who they is.
Okay, that's where I guess our discount.
Who is they?
Who would come into the U.S. and take advantage of the balkanization?
Who did the Balkanization?
Who did that?
Who did the U.S. and the UK revolution?
Revolution.
Who did that?
The U.S. and the U.K. were behind it.
Right.
So the U.S. will come into the U.S. Let me just want to say something, Sam, about this because I did hear that we're in a little bit of trouble in the South, too, because the Russians are now in Nicaragua and the Chinese are now in Brazil.
And we have a government that is tempting everyone to attack us.
And we have people coming from Canada.
There was a big call today with all these sheriffs from the southern border saying that we're being that there is this is happening.
And that Jason and I did a show last week.
I was saying, I talked to these demons from the IMF that were saying, I said, what?
You're here in New York.
I said, what are you here to have a meeting about making America Venezuela?
And the guy laughed and he goes, it's going to be way worse than Venezuela.
So, I mean, I don't know what we're going to do about it, but I think Sam's right.
They want to play this is like a regular Monday in the oligarchy, right?
Like, Chinese and Russians have been in Nicaragua.
Like, that's been a thing already.
So, let me know from the last very long time.
Yeah.
Very long time.
Let me jump in.
I'm sympathetic to what Sam is saying, but I think that everybody's visual and visualizing some kind of a military takeover.
Number one, let's acknowledge something.
I'm looking at everybody here.
I'm not trying to blow your spot up, Charlie, but you're probably the oldest guy here.
And none of us, our entire, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe I'm wrong.
I could be wrong.
That's probably fair.
All right.
I don't think he just doesn't use hair for hair color.
So, yeah, so maybe Sam's not in the same age.
I think I might be the only point is: our entire generation, everybody sitting here, nobody has actually gone through an economic collapse in our lifetimes.
Now, that's not everybody.
Some people in the second and third world, some first world nations have even fallen under our lifetimes.
In the United States, it's much different because there are 300 plus million people in a massive welfare state.
Okay, so let's say there is some kind of crazy economic collapse.
And I'm not saying there's going to be.
They may ramp it up five, ten percent.
You're living it right now, buddy.
Well, five, ten percent every six months or so.
We're seeing that.
But let's say there is that moment where we have a 1929-style event here.
Number one, or all bets are off.
And I think that the balkanization that comes out is what we talked about with states wanting to solidify their power against the federal government and the federal government just mandating everything.
You couple that with food shortages.
Okay, now it's a wild card.
Now people are getting hungry.
Okay.
And you've already seen what's happened in states like New York, especially in the city where they've defunded the police.
Portland's another place in Oregon.
Obviously, California in the major cities in San Francisco.
They're not looking great.
All right.
If by chance, and I'm just saying by chance because I'm not a conspiracy theorist, you coupled that with a cyber polygon type event where just one small part of the grid goes down.
I don't think it's they're going to announce it's the end of America.
I think they're going to announce it's time to invite the UN in.
And we need to invite their troops in.
And it's not how we're not coming in to shoot.
And obviously, you look at that, there's going to be chaos everywhere.
Again, I've never lived through it.
You've never lived through it.
We've been a first world superpower for generations now, post-World War II.
You don't think that threatens too much, too many people's power, Jason?
Like, your scenario isn't far-fetched at all.
Here's the thing: I think people like in many ways who are in that middle management position.
Like when we're talking about the oligarchy, right?
We don't like their levels of this shit, obviously.
And there's like that middle management part of the oligarchy that's okay with being a little bit corrupt and sacrifice a little bit of their integrity because their power is insulated.
But when you're talking about one of those scenarios, which a lot of the middle management would probably be privy to at some point before it happened, eventually those people would then begin to rebel against that plan or calling out that plan at high levels.
And like, that's why I feel like it would probably be something even softer than that.
No, very few people are going to go speak out against something that's going to cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars or cost in their pension.
Hardly anyone has the balls to make any one of those types of moves.
And with Jason bring up 1929, in 1929, probably 75% of people were farmers.
And so this time when you've got all, you know, the farmers aren't even going to be making any money now, and there's going to be a huge food crisis that's obviously completely engineered.
It's going to make probably 1929 seem like a walk in the park.
And then they're probably going to couple it with an Operation Cyber Polygon to bring in a central bank digital.
Black people actually didn't actually go through a depression during that time period.
I just want you all to know that.
I don't know if y'all know, but this is actually a thing.
Yeah.
And the government, like basically black people weren't even humans either.
So, I mean, we can't also say that, you know, we're going to use the government to then.
No, no, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is that because of how they ran their banks and businesses locally, they were able to survive.
And so what I'm basically, what I'm saying is like, Jason's scenario isn't like crazy.
First of all, let me just say that.
It's not crazy, but I just believe it wouldn't look like that as far as bringing in the UN per se or when I say the UN, because that is crazy.
They're not going to come in with the current state.
You create an us versus them scenario that they don't want.
Well, let me say one of us versus them scenarios.
When I say momentum, the UN, you create that and you create a path of unity that I feel like the oligarchy doesn't want.
When I said the UN, and I got news for you, they didn't get rid of slavery.
What they did is they just tricked everybody into thinking that we're all free by having some blankets.
I've heard all the black literature about it.
They literally didn't.
No, they took it.
They wrote it in the paper.
The slave is a slave that doesn't realize they're a slave.
And so right now, everyone's walking around as slaves, not realizing that our income gets funneled off back to the Federal Reserve, which is a private bank made up of 12 other private member banks.
They get to siphon off 6% of all the interest of all the debt.
And now for the first time, they're actually starting to lose money.
And the whole thing is going to implode.
But first, I mean, in the beginning stages, the dollar will get stronger.
Then through this implosion, that's where they're going to come in.
And they're not going to have a one-world government by having the UN coming in.
They're going to have a one-world government by having things like the Bank of International Settlements and their special drawing right come in.
And then we'll still have some American digital dollar.
And then they'll tie all the different digital dollars together.
Just like in 1956 Bilderberg meeting with Etienne Davignon, they didn't realize that there was a lot of people who were at that didn't realize they're signing up to be part of the European Union.
They didn't realize that all these plans have been put together back in 1956 at the first Bilderberg meeting.
And so they're going to do this financially.
It's not going to be coming in through the UN.
I mean, the UN certainly isn't going to make it very far into Arizona to take over New York.
Hold on.
Let me agree with you, but let me say how they will come in because you're right.
I think it is CBDCs.
I think it's blockchain technology.
But the reason I bring up the food shortages in particular is they already have their blockchain world food program.
You can already watch their advertisements on it.
Iran just signed up on it.
It's also biometrically involved.
Again, you starve people out for a couple months.
They'll accept things.
So we have to already understand we live in a world not of scarcity, but massive abundance of everything.
And all the scarcity that we see in most cases is artificial.
Okay.
Artificial scarcity.
So when all of a sudden these food shortages are here, they're coming in with the solution.
And we're going to have trucks from the South America, from Canada, and rooted.
will be when I say the the UN, no, it's not going to be a ton of soldiers, although there will be soldiers there.
It's the World Food Program, man.
It's the white hats.
They're here to save us.
They're here to feed people and they're going to normalize those situations.
Again, I think there's a lot of routes.
You look at what they're setting up.
They want to go SDR on steroids.
Okay.
And they already had that model through the IMF, zeros and ones.
They're already talking about rock and roll.
They're already talking about their central bank digital currency being based in Ripple or XRP.
In other words, as much as we want, whenever we want, under our full control with a blockchain algorithm that we can track, trace, and database all the time.
Integrated, by the way, into their biometric system for the food program itself.
That's what's scary, man.
Can I, I just wanted to jump in and ask Jeremy a question.
I don't know if I missed the first couple of minutes.
I don't know if people are introduced, but Jeremy is what I don't want to label, but he's, I would say, the kind of classic liberal journalist who writes for covert action.
I think he's the managing editor of Covert Action magazine online.
And his viewpoint of like the foreign affairs, U.S. action abroad, you can see it like with Ukraine and looks like it's a U.S. action.
And I just, so for me, I always think in these very big picture, like it's us versus them, but things look a little different right now when I think of it in that position.
And I just thought it's hard for me to reconcile what's happening out there with the idea that they're trying to break us up in here, that they're creating domestic strife.
I agree that they're probably, I think there's definitely some element towards secession, maybe push us towards a civil war and then compromise with secession just to divide and conquer.
I don't know, but like it's hard for me to reconcile them wanting to do that here when it looks like they're really engaged in empire building abroad.
And I just wondered if we're going to try to get like a left perspective.
Jeremy, can you, I know that's like a long and wide question.
Sorry, on this particular question, as soon as it starts getting into the tomatoes on blockchain, I get it, but like I'm just way down a hole there.
And I was just wondering if you could bring it to more old school for a sec.
Okay, well, I could offer my perspective.
I mean, yeah, it's an interesting discussion.
So thanks for inviting me.
Yeah.
My perspective would be that I think a big problem, the major problem is corporate tyranny and the growth of these huge corporations that have hijacked the state.
So the solution would be, I think, a traditional solution of trying to either break up those corporations or place them under national democratic control.
And that's more what I guess a socialist would advocate for.
And I think that's the only hope we have with the military industrial complex.
We have six major corporations that are reaping a huge windfall off the war in Ukraine and that you need a constant enemy.
So if that war dies down, there'll be the next war and they're going to trump up the next enemy.
And a lot of it is driven by these corporations who spend millions in lobbying.
And they buy out the Congress basically bought off no opposition.
I mean, supposedly a progressive like Bernie Sanders all voted for the aid package to Ukraine of $60 billion when we need that money here at home.
So, you know, I think the left is completely, what's the word, a moribund in the United States.
They have no vision.
They're focused on identity politics and police brutality.
Well, that is a serious problem and issue.
And I support those protests, but they need a broader vision.
And there has to be a movement to What I was saying, break up the large corporations or place them under national democratic control.
And I think we're living under the era of McCarthyism where they destroyed the left and it's completely stigmatized.
And people can't even think in this way anymore.
And so we're lost.
I mean, and that to me, it's a rather simple matter of what has to be done.
But that should be done in many country because you have parallel.
You know, I think it's worse in the U.S., but it's a similar problem in other countries.
So that would just be my point of view.
As far as, yeah, I think they are trying to divide and rule.
They're stirring up these partisan divisions, and that presents class mobilization.
You know, people of the working class getting together.
Instead, they think, oh, I'm Democrat.
I have to hate the Republican, or I'm Republican.
And it prevents people from coming together, to seeing their mutual interest in challenging the oligarchy and forming a successful social movement that can do so.
But they deliberately balkanize the population and they brainwashed people through the media, as most of you know here.
So this is my time.
I agree with you, but as you are a lefty, I have to ask you how big a lefty you are.
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Let's say I had maybe four weeks ago.
I paid $155 for three nights.
And then you say, oh shit, that's fine.
Then we go into, if you read Charlie's book, Nothing is Free.
And I paid, I made just under $35,000 last year and paid $10,000 in taxes.
That's, I think it's almost over one-third of my money.
And in the shops, we have a standard, 12, 13% tax on every grocery.
So basically, 60% of 60-70% of my money goes to the government.
So I agree with what you said.
I just want to ask lefty in the USA, how much money are you ready to pay to get my yeah?
Well, in my opinion, we haven't even begun to get to that.
The wealthy should pay much higher.
They had that under the New Deal, under Roosevelt and even Eisenhower, and the tax rate has come down considerably since then for the wealthy.
And certain corporations pay almost nothing.
So yeah, the tax burden shouldn't fall on working class or middle class or lower middle class people.
It should fall more on the wealthy classes.
And I mean, if the government is around efficiently, then they don't have to tax the people overwhelmingly.
The problem is the same here as in the USA.
The wealthy people just move their money offshore.
Well, that's an assumption.
I'm a liar.
It's not more taxes.
I'm losing my white privilege here.
It's not more taxes because if you took how much money they take in and all the taxes in the country, it's like eight, nine trillion dollars, probably.
You could literally write a check from like a $30,000 check to every man, woman, and child below the 50% income level.
It's not a problem of the taxes.
We are taxed.
There's enough taxes collected to do that.
I would say the majority of upper middle class 50% of their income to the upper middle class is overtaxed.
The idle rich pay zero income tax.
So you take the professional class who pay for school till they're 30.
They pay for their kids to go to private school.
They, you know, like it's, it's a screwed up system.
Any, you could make that tax revenue work in any system that was implemented in good faith.
If I'm not mistaken, there was no federal income tax.
Before 1913, before 1913.
It was right before 1916.
Okay.
Yeah, that's what, and it's the same time that they instituted the Federal Reserve as well.
But Monica, I broke the code.
I'm upper middle class, but I had seven kids, so I don't have to pay as many in taxes as the rest of you guys.
I've been in a position.
I'm not going to deduct my kids.
I mean, it's a rich man's problem, but there's a point at which you can't even deduct your kids.
I know.
I'm over the limit now with my deductions for sure.
But you know, you got to treat the system stuff.
I left California to get away from the ship.
The problem with the taxing situation in the United States, like I get the argument you're making as far as how much Americans are willing to pay.
The truth is, like, we wouldn't have to pay as much as you guys.
There's a shitload of us.
Like, at the end of the day, like, there's a lot of us, there's a lot more money to go around.
There is no, and there's a lot of corporations to help ease a lot of that burden.
Finland doesn't have all the agricultural advantages that we do, the tourist advantages that we do.
So we know for a fact that it has nothing to do with taxes right now.
Like, I'm a leftist.
I don't want to pay a goddamn dime in taxes.
Why?
So AOC can go fucking buy a new cover or dress for the cover of Vanity Fair?
No.
I'm tired of motherfuckers getting raises and like I keep paying taxes and I have no idea where my money is going.
Sort of like Nico's not really a leftist.
Yeah.
No, I am a leftist.
No, let me finish.
Let me finish.
I refuse to have my money go to the military industrial complex.
I refuse to have my money keep getting put in the pockets of these corrupt police officers who don't answer to me, don't answer to you, they answer the power structure who's in charge at the time, who are also taking my goddamn tax money.
Like, it's not about the taxes.
If the taxes were going where they were supposed to, then I would probably not have a problem with it.
Like, most people in those situations don't have a problem with it.
The issue is there are people who pay enough for health care and they have no health care.
Like, that's my problem.
There are people who, like, we have situations where, I mean, I just went on the show the other day.
I found out that every single school that allows teachers to carry, like, have never had a mass shooting, have never had a school shooting, right?
So, why are we, why are we having situations where you can have classes, you can have weapons, you can have proper protection in these schools, but they're not happening.
Like, you have so many instances where the money, if using good faith, like the woman said, were being was being spent the right way, like, we wouldn't have any of these issues.
We wouldn't even be here right now.
We would be perfectly fine.
Like, shit, I wouldn't have anything argued about if it happened.
But, like, it's not being spit correctly.
You're not a lefty.
I got it.
Nico's a Jimmy Doer leftist.
No, no, no, no.
Pause, pause, pause.
Jimmy Doer is a Nicole house left.
All right, hold on.
Let's not get it twisted.
Can we get beyond the left and right for a second?
A European lefty don't use guns.
Don't want to have guns.
No, I like guns.
You'll never allow citizens to have guns.
So if you think guns are allowed, you're not a lefty.
Oh, so Black Panthers aren't leftists.
I don't give a shit what organization concept for people that literally used to teach people how to kill.
European left is and what your leftist tries to get.
Well, I actually don't care about the concept, like whatever the word is.
Like, I don't care about the category itself.
I'm just like baffled.
You don't understand what the European left is.
You know, we live in a separate state.
How do we go from anarchy versus statism to bullshit leftist versus right when it's all fake to become a fairy?
What are you doing?
It's kind of the same.
Guys, everybody's talking over each other.
Let's people have to listen to this.
Let's not talk over each other.
Tim and then Nico can respond.
Go.
Yeah, a classical liberal versus a liberal of today means nothing.
So we're in this fake left-right paradigm getting everyone.
So instead of anarchism versus statism, we're now arguing about left versus right when if anyone hasn't figured it out, they're all owned by the corporations that are all the same at the very top.
And so we're all just wasting everyone's time, you know, talking about politics.
So I don't think the conversation that we're having necessarily is like separate from anarchism versus statism.
Like that's my point, I guess, is that like I am for the decentralization of the state and I am for anything that empowers people to decentralize state.
Like guns, at least in the states.
I can't speak for Finland, but I know here people with power seem to kill without retribution.
And those who do not have the power to at least convince you, you might, who knows?
Maybe you can't kill me if we have a quick draw, McGraw.
But like, you're going to have to think about it twice because you know I got one on me.
Like that for us is empowering anything that empowers the proletariat, in my definition, is what you would call quote unquote leftist.
I don't really care about these, these like archetype categories of if you believe if you're a leftist, you can't believe this, you can't believe that.
You can't believe it.
No, I believe in the idea of empowering people versus not empowering the state.
Like, and that's where I'm at with it.
So any solution that empowers people, I'm always for it.
I agree with Nico.
I think labels are kind of silly.
I'd rather talk about individual ideas and then we can implement the ones that make the most sense.
But let's go to Pasa.
I know Pasa wanted to say a couple of words and then maybe go to Chuck next because he hasn't had a chance to talk.
And let's, you know, get into any of this stuff or move it on to another topic, anything you have in mind.
Why don't we just pass it on to Chuck?
I had something to say about 10 minutes ago, but no big deal.
I'm just listening and grabbing everything.
And when I have something to say, I'll jump on in.
I'll let Chuck go ahead.
Well, it's interesting to me that the topic that was offered here was about anarchism versus statism.
And yeah, what did we wind up devolving into?
And some very smart people, and by the way, I agree with about 90% of what Nico said.
But anyway, I don't know if that puts me on the left or right.
I really don't care.
Got to tell you.
But Nico knows I love him anyways.
Anyways, okay.
Deal is, why is nobody even discussing the idea that this is about hierarchies and the structure that begins long before these organizational principles?
And we start arguing about who should be in charge.
Well, why does there actually require a hierarchy?
Okay, why is that required in this discussion?
You want to reorganize society?
You're not going to do it by just, you know, shifting around the parts of the matrix, okay, that you don't like.
Okay, you can create a new game out of it, but you're still in the game.
We have to approach this from a different angle in my mind.
Now, maybe I'm just crazy, and that's always a possibility.
But, you know, when I think about this, I say to myself, look, it's always an argument over who should actually be the leader.
And on the more extreme ends, it's like, whose version of authoritarianism do you like better?
Okay.
You hear the guy from Europe saying, well, you know, no guns.
You can't have guns if you're left.
Why?
It's a tool.
Okay.
I'm not worried about it.
I'll tell you what, though, if people collectively got together in an area and said, we don't want guns in our area, I got no arguments there either.
The will of the people, which should always be shifting based on the needs of those people, is what should have supremacy here.
Now, how do we get to a structure that addresses that properly?
That was supposed to be the structure in the United States.
It has failed effectively.
We don't have that situation here.
Okay.
It's very much an illusion.
People want to talk about the money.
The monetary system is going this way, that way, the third way.
I heard that and I'm shaking my head.
And you know why?
If you think for a second that there's really any difference in the dollar versus the wand or anything else, well, then how is it that a computer can instantaneously translate it from one to the other?
It's not an issue.
There is a universal currency.
It's called digital.
End of story.
Most of what you think of as physical currency doesn't exist anyway, hasn't for a long time.
These are not new things.
The divide and conquer strategy that's been absolutely implemented across the board in the U.S.
Yeah, that's also not new.
None of this is new.
And I don't think it's about some great, grand thing that's about to land on us.
I think it's all about maintaining the control that has been there.
And you know what?
The majority of us that are arguing over who's in control don't even know who's actually in command of the things that actually change our lives on a daily basis.
Who actually controls the systems, which make those exchanges that make it so that it's irrelevant as to what language is printed on a piece of paper somewhere when that piece of paper doesn't exist in the first place.
Sorry, I'm banging into my microphone because I'm not usually on video and stuff and tried to get it out of the way in my face and I don't care usually.
But this is the thing.
We got to break this down into smaller pieces because society was not always organized this way.
I'm not saying it was better, but what I'm saying is that there are other possibilities here.
And looking for another hierarchy and looking for another system of control is all I keep hearing.
Maybe I'm translating this the wrong way and maybe it's because I've been sick lately, but let me say this much.
I'm going to piggyback off of Chuck over here.
I would say this right now, that I think you hit it on the nose because everybody talks about what ism is the problem.
Is it communism, capitalism, socialism?
No, the problem is elitism, right?
No matter what system you have, you're always going to have a ruling class that is going to try to maintain power over the small amount of people over the large amount of people in which they control.
And, you know, I mean, that is what I think about daily is, okay, no matter what, what system you're in, what system you like or approve or whatnot, when you go down to the global south, when you go down to Nicaragua, when you go down to Colombia, you see people with this collectivism, okay?
Usually in the form of socialism, but if it's all economics and it's all geared at taking the people in charge out of power.
And that's something I think about on a regular basis.
I mean, at the end of the day, when we start talking theories, it's really hard to get away from what Steve talks a lot when it comes to anarchism.
But at the end of the day, if we don't join together to push back against this evil force who is controlling us with using a monetary system, it's just a way of control.
It doesn't mean anything, right?
That's what we need to think about at the end of the day.
How do we get rid of this evil freaking empire that's holding all this power over us?
So there has to be some education.
There's some collectivism, right?
Yeah, but it's also going to take a form of coming together and agreeing with people.
Yeah, but my point is how do you, how can you come together if you have no catalyst to make like people like, so for example, obviously, oh, I'm married, everybody.
Okay.
So I'm married.
I didn't just decide like I'm going to marry Susanna Diosdado.
Like when I was eight years old, I like saw her across the hall.
I was like, damn, she fine.
I had to get to know her a little bit better.
Then I got to know her a little bit better.
I was like, you know what?
She's got a pretty solid head on her head.
You know what?
Let's get married.
Obviously, a little bit more complicated than that, but there was a catalyst that led to the situation I'm in in my relationship.
Just like there has to be a catalyst to what, like some people band together to survive.
Some people band together to get an advantage.
Some people band together to get four rings like the warrior.
Like it just, you just, you need a catalyst.
And our catalyst right now, in my humble estimation, is probably education, which is why you see them working so hard to censor the shit out of everybody because they understand that that one thing could change everything or else they wouldn't spend so much of a concerted effort trying to get it done.
Like they just, the censorship has been insane.
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And the level of effort they're putting in to prevent education from happening probably lets us know the solution to the problem we're talking about right now.
See, the only problem with what you just said, Nico, is this.
Your wife already existed when you found her, right?
We need to invent something different here.
We need to invent a different way of viewing this, a different organizational principle.
It does not exist as it's.
So we don't have all of the, we don't have all of the power of life.
We don't have collective power to do so yet or collective brainpower, in my estimation, to do so yet because we're not operating at a full capacity under a unified front where we clearly know what the problem is.
People are arguing about different problems.
So they're presenting solutions to problems that aren't actually problems, problems that aren't as big of a problem as they think it is, and then completely ignoring the major problem.
Like that's the problem.
Everybody thinks that we have different problems.
I can almost hear Steve yelling parallel structures.
Well, I mean, there is that.
We've already solved almost all of these problems.
All of the things that we need to do, we've all already done at some point in our lives, or at least most of us, and people have done throughout civilization.
We need to be waging economic warfare on these people.
We've almost everybody here has identified the problem correctly as international banking settlements, central banks, and the way that everybody here.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah, yeah.
So we've identified the problem correctly.
We've also identified in our own lives a number of different ways that we've tried to get around that problem.
Some of them more legal, some of them, let's say, extra legal.
But we've all done them.
You know, during lockdown, all over while small businesses were being shuttered left and right, those business owners said, no, fuck it.
And they took their business outdoors and they found whatever way to whatever currency they'd agreed upon, you know, in order to exchange food for currency.
And they did that to the point to where they were able to gain some concessions from their governments, respectively, when the governments relented on the lockdowns.
No, it's, I mean, and that's just one.
But they agreed on the problem, though, right?
They all agreed on the problem.
They all knew what the problem was and they all kind of came up with the solution.
You get what I'm saying?
Like, we all might know what the problem is, but then what happens when we use our platform to try to tell everybody else what the problem is?
You get censored, you get demonetized, you get shut down, you lose your channel, you lose a Twitter page, you lose your livelihood, your family can't eat, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So like it isn't that we don't understand.
It's that every time we try to get to the point where those restaurant owners or those small business owners got, we can't get it out.
That's the issue.
So we have to talk about that problem in my point.
And you also have to understand that 40% of the small businesses have closed down and more and more power has been consolidated behind the state.
So even though there was some solutions, there's also that major problem that we talk about all the time is that we can't do anything really until they go away.
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We can create parallel societies and everything like that, but we're going against the state that doesn't let you collect its own rainwater.
So we have to figure out how we come together to take out the state, right?
And then we can get in a room and try to figure out what's best for us and then go our separate ways.
But until that is done, we're just, we're on a treadmill.
And there goes that person.
Go ahead, go ahead.
How do you guys feel about the Free State Project?
Are you familiar with the Free State Project in New Hampshire?
Yeah.
I think, I mean, it's good for localization, right?
It's kind of building your own community.
And I would, I tell people to do that a lot.
I think the big problem here is, though, man, nobody seems to be identifying that we live in a national security state and the military industrial complex is the problem that we all wish we had a solution to.
But the honest to God's truth is none of us had any say in Ukraine whatsoever, right?
We had no say.
Nothing we did was going to stop things going over there.
In fact, the guy they're trying to prop up as a hero, Elon Musk, is sending Starlink satellites in warfare and then blackjack satellites via NASA.
You know, and Google, you know, this is the military industrial complex.
It's not a big tech takeover.
They're funded by NQTEL.
They partnered with NASA on artificial intelligence.
They have the largest search engine in the world, the second largest search engine in the world, which is YouTube.
The first largest video platform in the world is YouTube.
The largest operating system in the world, which is Chrome.
And then they can censor you and say, we're a company.
You know what I mean?
So how do you, I mean, seriously, how do you stop that military industrial complex that has now just mutated in exponential lengths since it was warned about via Eisenhower in the 60s?
Isn't that the real problem?
Because if we're talking about information warfare, that's their tool.
Like we're talking about a big tech takeover.
It isn't a big tech takeover.
All right.
You look at Google, it is the government.
Same with Twitter.
You know, Elon Musk's leaked footage.
He said, you know what?
We need freedom of speech, but we don't need freedom of reach.
So in other words, fuck you.
The algorithm's still going to play against you.
Okay.
I'm going to say this is hate speech and you're a fucking Nazi, right?
He talked about Holocaust denial when he was talking about these things.
Do you think 9-11 truth is going to be amplified?
Do you think the other side of the story in Ukraine is going to be amplified?
A fucking course not.
He's a military contractor.
So how do we, before we talk about how we're going to set up all these other systems, I'm curious because again, information is the only way.
And I think the ground, you know, handing out USB sticks, giving out discs, knowing your neighbor, those old school things, we need to do very much so.
I don't know that we're winning the big tech revolution, unfortunately.
Every time that, you know, one of these systems comes up, they whack them down.
I got to see fucking that Eric Prince, Blackwater himself, is going to put out a new safe and secure messaging method.
That's the cryptic stuff that we need.
Peter fucking Thiel runs Rumble while he does Palantir.
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So listen, I'm sorry.
I'm not trying to be a fucking Debbie Downer here.
But the real deal is we live in that national security system.
No, that's the problem.
You're right.
Absolutely.
That is the problem.
And our voice has been marginalized to an extent we couldn't have imagined five years ago, let alone.
Isn't that the black pill, though, Jason?
I mean, everybody calls me a black pill, but I'm saying the same thing for the last 15 years.
You're waking up knowing that you're just not going to beat that.
But that's the thing.
I'm not a loser.
I think that's the way that's you want to talk about solutions?
In a solution, in my mind, I'm not a fucking loser.
I'm going to get up every day.
I'm going to say what I have to say.
I'm going to do what I have to do.
I'm not going to curb my behavior.
I'm going to try to reach as many people as possible, and I'm going to try to navigate this thing socially and financially.
You know, I brought my sister and her kids there.
They didn't get the hate and lie shots.
You know, we have to make these individual decisions now because these people at the top are openly talking about a fourth industrial revolution that is literally transhumanist in nature and authoritarian in control.
Let's go to Graham next.
But after Graham, I want you guys to think about also because one of the, I mean, what we kind of wanted to focus on, and not that any of this isn't important.
It's very important.
I'm glad that we're going in all these different directions.
But I'm kind of want to get everybody's opinion on is the state a necessary evil or is the state not necessary at all?
Because I think we would kind of disagree on that, right?
Is it fixable or is it something you don't need to fix because it's not necessary?
Graham, jump in.
And then I guess if anybody wants to piggyback on that.
Well, first of all, this is great.
And I think that I think we agree on almost everything.
I don't think there's a lot of disagreements here.
I mean, most of the principles, I think we all agree on.
I mean, the one elephant in the room, I would say, you guys are talking about the military-industrial complex, but we're still under massive pressure to get the jobs up here.
I mean, this is the elephant in the room.
What's, you know, this is what we're under in war against right now directly.
The military-industrial complex is kind of, you know, it's obscure for us in other in Europe or Canada.
I mean, I know we're kind of all getting dragged into that, but you know, we have little limited time to do what you guys are talking about.
We have maybe a few months before the fall comes and they start re-identifying, redefining what fully vaccinated is.
They start pushing back.
We only have a little bit of time before they push us against each other.
40% is going to come after 60%.
This is how I think it works.
And we have very little time.
I don't know what the solutions are, but that's what I think.
I agree, Graham.
Well, when Chuck said, talk about collectivism, that really is, you know, the crux of everything is individualism versus collectivism.
I know G. Abergriffin, who, you know, is basically, you know, has inspired, you know, probably a lot of us here, you know, he always boils things down to individualism versus collectivism.
And so, and you can also, so it's not left versus right.
And it's also, you know, you could say tyranny versus freedom.
And so are we moving towards freedom or are we moving towards more tyranny?
And obviously we're, it seems like we're moving towards tyranny more and more.
Also want to say, you know, completely agree with Jason, and I don't think he's black pilling it at all.
And just in the past two weeks, I've put in two different full price offers on like 50 mile off-grid type places to grow my own food.
So I'm not trying to, you know, because I know eventually I'm probably going to be cut out of the system.
A lot of us are probably going to be cut out of the system.
And I don't want to be at that point where, you know, we're going to be reliant on, you know, a state and reliant on, you know, some sort of central bank currency in order to be able to eat.
And so this is where everything is going.
And, you know, and at the end of the day, it's not about this, you know, how much they can tax us.
I mean, it's not about taxes.
It's like the movie, like a bug's life.
It's not about the food.
It's about keep those ants in line.
The money is debt.
So you could use all the money to pay off all the debt and all that would be related to is debt.
But getting back to what Ricky wanted to really talk about, you know, anarchism versus statism, you know, it really just leads the question is, does the state really even have like the moral authority to even exist?
And where would they have gotten that moral authority to exist?
And just real quickly, I just want to list out three different books.
You've got no treason, no, no, not treason, no treason.
The Constitution, No Authority by Lysander Spooner, highly recommend that.
The most dangerous superstition by Larkin Rose.
If I had more time, probably could have helped get him on here.
And then a previous guest too here would be Understanding Our Slavery, which is, I think he renamed the book something about organized crime, but Etienne de la Boutier.
So I'd highly recommend all those and at least two of those books.
You can get that learntherers.org.
But yeah, I just want to have people if they can comment on whether the state even has the moral authority to exist and then how they got that moral authority to begin with.
All right.
Ricky, I wanted to just like my thought thinking has been evolving about this in order to address that question directly.
Like it was absolutely no doubt in my mind when I saw the American experiment failing as the last chance for a self-limiting government, for any kind of legitimate government of self-governing people to have a seat of power.
It was definitely always going to get taken over.
But recently, so I just threw it out and then I realized and educated myself and agree that society is self-ordering.
So you don't actually need government for what we were told it was for, that it would just look at tipping.
People will tip.
There's no requirement to tip.
It's just social pressure to tip.
And they, I mean, seven years as a waitress and no one ever, maybe a couple of times I got stipped.
So I totally think it's self-ordering.
But now I realize that I think the emergence of government is defensive.
Like I'm not saying I advocate for it.
My thinking is just right now evolving on this.
So I'm really just throwing it out there.
But I'm talking about two different ways.
So I look at socialism as a response to feudalism, which so I don't think it's natural to this country where wealth for the longest time was not inherited the way our founders thought about it, which is wrong because it was occupied, occupied by a different system of property ownership.
But because it didn't have the European ideas of property ownership when the Enlightenment guys were establishing government here, they thought of it as a blank slate and you could just mix your soil with the toil.
And that did work here.
So I think this European style socialism has been has been brought over here intentionally and it's not natural.
But if you look at the European style and you think, well, they had this feudal system that was unjust and unjust appropriation of property from the beginning.
And then all the peasants who were maybe liberated, they had no way to ever get any access to that property.
So then they said, all right, well, then that property has to contribute a lot to the state because there's no way to re unless we just go completely communist and appropriate it all.
So I could understand what they were talking about.
I still didn't agree with it and I totally thought it was foreign.
But now that we see this pathocratic government saying, if you ever talk to Pete Q, he'll kind of clarify it for you, that there's this pathocratic government that is literally trying to hurt kids, say they're really trying to hurt kids.
They're trying to educate them in a way that they want to like actually mutilate their own bodies.
And when you have that, then I think a lot of people are starting to think, well, and I coined this, the libertarians die by the sword, but they never live by the sword.
So they'll say, well, I will forego all access to government, but the government does exist and it's being used against people.
So now you have this kind of, I'm going to call it right wing for lack of a better term, but the people who are reacting to what these state schools are doing, they're thinking we have to organize.
We have to maybe access and control existing structures of government, institutions of government, because there's just no way as libertarians, we're going to be able to fight this, the state.
So the only argument I can see emerging now is this, it's just the fight the fight fire with fire.
But I'm not advocating for it.
My thinking is just evolving.
So I'm throwing that out there.
The libertarian movement is kind of evolving with you at the same time as well.
I think a lot of us, you know, we started out with, you know, just leave them alone and do the, and we're kind of getting to that point too, where it's like, okay, well, you know, stepping, stepping away and watching all this shit happen is making everything worse.
And so we do have to start fighting back.
And, you know, a lot of those tactics that you brought up, even down to the messing with kids and self-mutilation, I mean, that's stuff that's been used historically throughout history to humiliate people and take control and take power.
And that's, you know what I mean?
And that's, that's exactly what's going on right now.
And I think libertarians, as not as a whole, I mean, there's still these old regime libertarians that are like, oh, we want to get invited to the DC champagne parties, you know?
I think, I think that for the most part, a lot of the libertarian movement is kind of moving in that direction as well.
We know that, you know, if you want to get the power away from people at some point, you have to wield the power, you know, and that's kind of how it's going to work.
So I get it.
Speaking of that, tell everyone what you just won.
I'm the vice chair of the Libertarian National Committee.
Yeah, absolutely.
Are you guys going to let the lib socials kind of evolve over there?
You're going to shut them down?
No, we shut them down.
We shut those guys down in 2020, but we just basically took cuz, man, they were just on the show.
I don't know if POSPU was even here for that, though.
I don't know if I think he might have been out of the studio.
It's not, it's here.
I'm not going to say that we're not going to let them exist.
You know what I mean?
I don't think people existing is a bad thing, but we definitely redefined our platform.
We brought in more, a more stronger platform on property rights.
We got rid of the abortion plank.
They took bigotry out of the word bigotry out of the platform.
I mean, they really made it, they made it a lot harder on some of those people to be in the Libertarian Party.
But our big focus were the regime libertarians, man.
They were these guys who were like, didn't really want to say libertarian things because they didn't want to offend DC and they wanted to be, they were beltway and they wanted to be invited to the libertarian or to the to the DC champagne parties at DC press club.
And those are the people we got, we really ousted, man.
That was that's I have a question.
I don't, I hope you guys don't mind because I like something Jeremy said before.
And I think Tim and Charlie, I have been looking at what from my point of view, I might be, I'm totally looking at different stuff probably, but I think the real problem is this public-private partnership that's controlled by the international bankers that are, they don't want any governments at all.
They want to skip from what I'm seeing on the global scale.
They don't care about our government.
They don't care about any government.
They don't care about our votes.
They don't care what we want.
It appears to me that between Larry Fink and the World Economic Forum and the Bank of International Settlements and the World Bank, they have a plan, and that plan includes no governments, just them and their full track and trace surveillance model and their transhumanism and full control.
Listen, I don't know if they're going to get it, but if you look at what they're saying in Davos and the Great Reset and at the IMF, they're saying that's what they're going to have and there's going to be no government anyway.
And I mean, I'm hoping this isn't the case.
But what I'm looking at is what those people are saying, the Bank of International Settlements and their underlords.
They're basically saying no government on this planet is ever going to matter again because all that's going to matter is these corporate elites.
That's what I'm reading.
That was in one of those 2010 Rockefeller Foundation documentations.
No, it's been in a lot of stuff lately.
Yeah, but I mean, I'm saying like it was overt.
They said, like, we will, one of the scenarios is nation states lose their power and big philanthropy is the de facto world government.
And you're right.
I think the public-private partnerships has been a bit of a trap for libertarians over the years who think of it as it's private, but you can't mandate that taxes pay for something and then dole out single contracts to companies that whose revenues come in 100% from tax dollars.
That's not private.
I think that's somewhere else where libertarians are starting to evolve on as well.
And that's something that Jeremy was talking about.
You know, the corporations and back in the day, we'd be like, oh, corporations, let them do their thing.
And now we're kind of seeing the tyranny that comes from the corporations as well.
I think COVID had a lot to do with that.
Well, let me just say that you guys understand that the corporations don't get tyranny.
They get it by using the government.
I mean, it's the public.
Basic shit.
The public in the public-private partnership is the state.
These corporations don't get where they are without the state.
The state doesn't get to wield the influence and weaponize corporate power without that symbiotic relationship.
I will defer to my Finnish cousin again.
I apologize.
I think one of the biggest public-private partnerships that's emerging that almost no one is talking about is these NACs, or it's natural asset companies, which is basically the Rockefeller Foundation mixed with the New York Stock Exchange, where they're going to basically have a public-private partnership of the entire environment, all for the, you know, all for climate change and trying to save the environment.
So I think that's one of the biggest things on the horizon.
And to Josh, it's great to see that the well, it's funny because I have Josh Sigerson over there, but I mean, Josh Smith, it's great to see that the LP is libertarian again.
I was actually making shirts like that six years ago.
I was a delegate last go around and actually wrote in Kanye West because I figured that would piss off the most amount of people.
I piss off all the anarchists for even voting and piss off the libertarians.
I remember, Tim, we've talked quite a bit, man.
Okay.
Yeah.
I was happy to see you here, honestly.
But that's saying again.
Yeah, thank you.
My personal opinion on this whole thing is that, you know, when fascism comes, it won't be in the form of somebody with a funny mustache doing crazy hand signals.
It will be in the form of a corporation.
And, you know, and that's who's taking this lobbying is controlling everything.
We have a banana court where these judges aren't following the rules of law.
I mean, I live in California where a judge forced California to pay the rates to Exxon back in the day, even though they lied on all their numbers and statistics to get the contract.
And he still enforced the deal.
So I do think corporations are a giant problem and they're only getting stronger.
And like anybody who doesn't think that the people who have been going around destabilizing, you know, the rest of the world aren't going to do it here and aren't doing it right now is somewhat naive.
I mean, the people who run the country aren't necessarily proud to be Americans, right?
They're globalist elites and they're a small group of people who want world domination.
And they're all actors in this haunted house we live in.
And their whole job is to make everybody broke, sad, angry, full of anxiety, and own everything.
And if you don't play ball, they'll shut you down.
They've said this in a million different documents.
We all know it is.
They put out a video saying you're going to own nothing and love it.
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That is the future, unless we all come together and we push back.
Is the state a necessary evil?
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
I would think that it would be great if people could just regulate.
I just, I just don't know.
I mean, you're going to, and I would love to talk to Joshua about this here, his opinion, is that there is always going to be mega rich and super psychopaths and incredibly smart that are always going to figure out a way to game the system.
How do we, how do we push back against that in a completely open system?
And I know, I know anarchy doesn't mean no rules, but it means no rulers.
And I'm totally cool with that.
But what are the checks and balances we can do if we don't have a kind of centralized thing, which I'm open-minded to anything, dude?
You know, at this point, anything's better than what we got.
Right.
Well, and that's, and that's, you know, that when I was talking about the black pill, I, you know, Tim kind of brought it up and Burma said, and to me, black pill just means you've understood that you can't beat the system no matter what you do.
So start coalescing in New Hampshire.
You know what I mean?
That's kind of what black pill means to me, but I don't know.
I don't know what that means.
But let me say this, man.
I disagree with that because I'm out in the streets and I'm trying to have my voice there and I go to events and I try to put this out.
You know, for instance, I don't think that for I think human beings have great power, right?
And one of my biggest videos ever was back in 2012 when they decided, hey, we're going to institute the body scanners here in Albany, New York.
And now they're almost in every place.
And most people don't even know that you can still opt out and do a pat down.
I opt out and do the pat down.
I also brought attention to, hey, maybe you don't want to get body scanned.
And maybe these things aren't the best thing since breakfast in an ever-encroaching surveillance state.
You know, when you talked about, for instance, being in the fascist state, we're already in a very techno-fascist state.
Google is a Trojan horse civilian system.
They want us to enter, and I want to get to the World Economic Forum in a second because that was brought up in governance.
This is a 2001 document.
It says the IT bio, the IT era ends in 2020, and the bio-nano era begins in 2020.
And then a bunch of people, billions of human beings, got injected magically with bio-nanotechnology.
Just imagine.
Not me, man.
Okay.
Just a warfare document.
It lines up 20 plus years.
Now, when we talk about governance and what they really want for us, highlighted at this World Economic Forum was two different workshops on the metaverse.
This is that techno-fascism with these elites, with these banking representatives, where they are going to move from theory to practice.
Okay.
And metaverse governance is a large issue, as well as economic and societal value.
When you listen to these people, they start talking about stakeholder capitalism, tricking the individual into believing that they are now part of this system.
And societal value is based on how good you are and what your carbon footprint is.
It's all about sustainability.
It's been laid out.
And this is that transhumanist fourth industrial revolution where they want to make you believe at the end of the day, you're going to upload your consciousness to a wonderverse while they cull humanity.
I hate.
Listen, if that's the black pill, if that's the dark reality you live on, I want to clarify.
I wasn't saying that you're black pilled.
I was saying that black pill is when you wake up and realize you can't be.
I'm a winner, bro.
I'm going to say it again.
I'm a winner.
I'm going to win.
I'm going to go in out a human.
I'm going to raise my hand.
And I love you, buddy.
And I'm going to keep fighting.
Look, I sit on the national committee for a political party.
If I was black pilled, I wouldn't be doing that at all.
I would have already bugged out somewhere into the Appalachians.
You know what I mean?
There's a white pill, though, and that's understanding that everything about the Black Pill is real.
But because you understand that, you now have the tools to gather around community.
I like to call that the gray pill, buddy.
The gray pill.
I love the gray pill.
It's the yin-yang pill.
We need the yin-yang pill.
How about the grape pill?
Can we do that?
Man, I can't.
It's real hard to find any full indica purple these days, buddy.
We don't test these pills for fentanyl.
Nobody brings up no goddamn pill at all.
I mean, how about no goddamn pill?
No, but to get back to Sam's point.
To get back to Sam's point, I don't know.
I don't know what the answer is.
I only know how to start fighting in certain areas on localities.
I mean, municipalities, I don't know that we will ever beat them.
And that's, you know, maybe I'm a little black pill.
Can I just say something real quick?
Because I know it's very easy.
And I'm not saying anyone here is Black Pill or not Black Pill, but I personally believe that what is being presented in the news and what is happening, in my humble opinion, on the ground, not everywhere, not all the time, but more and more it grows like an urban sprawl in a weird way.
And that is that I think we're winning.
I think we, the content creators, have been winning this war.
And everybody's laughing at me.
I get it.
But we're winning this war against the legacy media, man.
I mean, we just see little things happening more and more.
They keep wanting to bring back masks.
Everyone's pushing back against it.
They've tried to push monkeypox.
Everyone's like, go fuck yourself.
Okay.
And this trans swimmer can't swim anymore.
Little things people are waking up.
It is, it's not happening overnight, but I do think people are waking up more and more that you're not alone.
We can't wake them up.
They can only wake up on their own.
But when they see other people aren't afraid to express their truth, and that is that this government is ran by satanic pedophiles or whatever you want to believe, okay?
They're not afraid to say, yeah, man, I think that's right.
And you see people saying it more and more and more.
I can't tell you how many people got the shot, got the booster, and now are like, fuck, man, I'm never doing that.
I feel like shit.
Not all of them.
There's still people who choose to wear a mask on a plane.
That's their choice.
And I get to know who the dum-dums are.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
It's like it's a scarlet letter, man.
I know who the idiots are.
Thank you.
But I think we're winning.
I mean, I know Monco is smiling like you're a crazy person, but I really do believe that we are winning.
I do.
That's just me.
This is what I want to do.
Feel free to beat me like a pinata.
No, no, it's just, I know that people are waking up, but I'm not sure that like, so this, what we're doing here is the left and the right.
Yes, we have an ideology, ideological difference when push comes to subshove.
Money in Politics 00:15:32
What's the basic premise of society?
What's what's morally correct?
What's most effective?
But you have people waking up, but they're still not totally awake to the fact that both sides are totally corrupt, that it's all identity politics and a mind game.
So I want to, if I can put him on the spot one more time as our like guest liberal here, I want to know, you know, Jeremy's so totally awake to this stuff, but you know, has he given up on the state yet?
What could your argument possibly be?
Well, I don't haven't really disagreed with much that was said here.
I mean, I agree that the state is inherently oppressive.
I agree that these hierarchies develop in almost any system.
So I don't disagree with that at all.
I just think, I mean, the state does provide certain services to the public that are needed, whether it's roads or transportation, schools.
I mean, I agree the school system has been corrupted, but they do provide education.
It could be improved.
They do provide health care.
They can.
Some states do provide free universal health care, like Canada has a reasonably good system because I live there.
So they do provide police.
Now, as much as the police are oppressive, we still do need police.
So for, you know, there are robbers, there are domestic violence, Violence or murders.
You do need the police for that.
You also need national defense.
I mean, we're organized into nation states for better ill.
So we need protection.
So who else could provide that?
So to me, the challenge, although I agree, the ideal would be more decentralized a model.
And if that could be achieved, I would support, it could be strive for.
But, you know, the challenge would be for social movement to try and humanize the state, like in ways we're saying, to get them to spend the tax dollar on human needs, social welfare program, instead of out-of-control police, military-industrial complex to place large corporations under national control to break them up so you could have a more functional democracy.
It may not be a perfect.
So I think there are degrees of oppressiveness.
Even in the U.S. history, there were times when the state worked more in the interest of the public, like in the immediate post-World War II era with a New Deal.
You had some constructive social programs that were developed that did improve quality of life for people.
There were, for a brief moment, there was hope for a peace with the U.S. and Russia.
There were some progressive elements within the Democratic Party at that time, I think, led by Henry Wallace, who was pushing for cooperative policy between the U.S. and Russia that would have led the way to a more peaceful world order after World War II.
Unfortunately, he was ousted in the coup d'état, and Harry Truman took over.
So I think if there was a more powerful social movement to rally behind some of Wallace's principles, the government could have behaved in a more humane way.
So I think that's what people could try and do.
I mean, we live in a nation-state system right now.
I agree, it's not ideal.
There are better potential models, more utopian system, I hope, would come to life if we want to use utopian or just better system.
But we do live in that system right now.
So I think social movements should try and humanize and democratize the government and develop a movement to challenge the military-industrial complex and other ways I was suggesting.
So now that's just my point of view.
I think others have good ideas here.
Can I ask you, Joshua, how would one government implement the utopia?
Like, I'm getting, you said now we have nation states.
We don't want that.
You said, you said Joshua.
Were you talking to Jeremy?
Oh, Jeremy, sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
I was still triggered for a while.
I'm just saying, I mean, I would like a better.
I mean, there could be a more decentralized form of government could eliminate all forms of tyranny, as some were suggesting.
But right now, we have a nation-state system.
So we can, the best maybe, I mean, we could try and develop alternative approaches and work towards that.
We could also try and mobilize to democratize the system we have right now.
We live under a democratized government.
That's what the right in the USA have tried to do.
They tried to democracize the Middle East.
That's what they did.
No, democratize your own government and not promote imperialism.
But yeah, imperialism is driven by corporation, capitalist interests and military-industrial complex.
That's what you want to fight against.
I mean, democracy has to come from within your society.
People, whether on the local, state, or national level, getting the government to actually work for them, getting actual people who represent their interests.
I mean, the American system has three branches of government.
So At the local level, getting actual elected officials will fight for the interests of your people to get the projects you want in your community, good funding for education, and spend instead of spending all that money to invade the Middle East and to promote imperialism abroad to have a government that actually works in the interests of the people.
Jeremy, can I ask you something?
How, how, and this is a legit question because sometimes I think there are parts of government that might be great too, but how do we cut out corruption out of the government?
How do we stop these politicians from just taking all this lobbying money and voting against our best interests?
Like right now, like there's a lot.
Listen, no country is perfect and no government, no way of governing is perfect.
There's things I would take from one place and a little from another place.
Like I would love to do a no confidence vote on half these people in Washington, D.C. I'd love to be able to no confidence open up.
Now these guys like I'm in for four years.
It's like now I know why women go nuts with guys who just say whatever, you know, they they they have to to get laid and women just go, well, you guys are all liars.
And I get it because that's that is running for office.
They just tell us what we want to hear.
And as soon as they get in, they just go the other way and they drive us crazy because there's no way to checks and balance that.
We need to figure something out because right now, being a scumbag, being a liar, selling out your country, none of that is at all punishable.
I mean, it is, but nobody's getting punished.
So how would you do that?
Well, I think one way is to try and get money out of politics.
That's important.
So, you know, because politicians are easily corrupted by money through the current campaign finance structure.
So that's one thing.
You know, there are other ideas that can be put in place, including, you know, caps on, you know, how long you serve in Congress.
So, you know, it's constantly, you know, new people coming in who ruin the community, you know, not these career politicians.
So I don't know.
There are other ideas.
I mean, yeah, there's going to be some layer of corruption probably in any form of government, but there are also mechanisms to fight corruption through the judiciary.
So, but I would say number one is getting money out of politics.
That will cut corruption considerably and cause the election of officials who generally represent the public and not the big financial interests.
So that's number one to me.
I have, I really have to stop here there because we don't have money in politics.
We have the revolving door system.
If you know someone, so if you pay someone in Finland, you go basically to jail next day.
But if you do their bidding and then go work for them, that's just, I know them and no one asks questions.
So the money put in laws to make that illegal that they can't work, you know.
My wonder is how we're going to get in place.
How are we going to get money out of politics if we have government that continues to do things like take contracts for like building the roads and health care and all this stuff?
And you have these corporations that are able to lobby the government for these contracts.
And that's where the money's coming from.
So how do you answer that?
You know, overinflate the currency so that it's worthless and problem solved.
Well, they're working on that, Charlie.
So, so, first of all, I think that, first of all, modern-day lobbying, and I like to call it Roger Stone lobbying.
It's one of my biggest beefs with Stone.
It was him and his cohorts that kind of made this system where now corporations were people in government.
You could set up all these different PACs because that's another way that they corrupt government.
I think you have to take all that stuff away.
I think that, you know, you have to set up meetings.
They have to be public meetings, right?
That way it's in everybody's interest.
And Joe down the street has the same chance of seeing their representative as the Lockheed Martin representative.
One, okay?
Now, these are, how do we get these things done?
I don't know.
But when I think about that, I think about, hey, that's one way to do it.
Number two, I love that you brought up judicial, executive, and legislative branches because, hey, that's how we used to have checks and balances.
The problem with that is post-World War II, we had an executive within an executive, and things began to become born classified.
And all of a sudden, the OSS was the CIA, and all of a sudden, we had black sites like Area 51.
And the expansion of what we now know as continuity of government was discussed with our financial system at Bilderberg as one of the headlines before they actually talked about democratic societies crumbling and financial ruins.
So my point is that we have a voting system where it's not one person, one vote.
We now have the technology where, you know, traditional methods of stuffing the ballots would be more difficult.
Although, let me just say this: you had another career scam politician just get caught, I believe it was two weeks ago in Pennsylvania.
He was actually part of the AB scam scandal that got made into American hustle.
But he was rigging elections with traditional methods of blackmailing judges, of stuffing boxes, of getting people on the voter rolls that weren't there to vote, okay, et cetera.
And these were from 2010 to 2018.
They act like they don't exist.
So, you know, we need to take all the voting systems that are online, offline, one person, one vote.
We have the technology to do that.
They're not going to do that.
We need to make the military-industrial complex accountable, right?
We have to stop acting like the media, in many cases, isn't just an extension of them.
I mean, we're waiting now, guys.
They're finally admitting that I think it's Mitchell's wife who was talking about the Watergate scandal wasn't a crazy person.
That's back in the 70s.
That's how gaslit we are as a society.
So there's a lot that needs to be done.
I think that honestly, the way our government was set up with actual checks and balances and people being able to be prosecuted in due time, it was a great system.
It was a one that did take out some people that were high level, but we got away from that in post-World War II.
And we continue to get further and further away from it.
Damn, Jason keeps blackpilling me, man.
It keeps getting worse.
Well, Josh, I have a question, Josh.
He's talking about the elections.
I'm an election guy, right?
I go down, I witnessed these elections.
The election that just came through in Columbia the other day.
You talked about earlier in the show how you're going to win seats on the lower level on the, you know, what we used to say back in the day, building a bench.
The election system is across the board, is the same in each state and each county.
So no matter what, even if it's on a smaller level, it can still be gained and fixed and messed with.
I mean, Shama Sawant, who ran in Washington, she was running for a city council seat.
Well, her adversaries with Amazon and all these other big corporations spent over $5 million to make sure that she didn't obtain that seat.
She ended up winning and overwhelming the system.
And it's kind of crazy that she was able to do it.
But how do you plan on fixing that when the election system across the board is just in America in shambles?
I mean, every single bit of it can be gained, whether it's stuffing ballots and now this whole situation with these drop boxes.
And also on the back end, we have proprietary software counting our votes and stuff.
And that happens on the local level.
So how do we fix that if it's the same system across the board?
Well, I think the first step in the Libertarian Party, at least for us, was to get rid of the people who kept saying that an election entire ED is a good thing, or that's good, that we have good election integrity in this country.
Because that's what these beltway libs were saying.
You know, if you brought up the Trump election being obviously or the Biden election, you brought that up.
They'd start calling you a racist and a Nazi and all this shit.
So but we, you know, when we started focusing on the local level a couple years ago, about two years ago, we started winning.
And I don't know if you guys know this, but we've won hundreds and hundreds of local elections around the country now, which was not the norm for us, you know, 10 years ago.
And it was because we overwhelmed, we had to go in and step in and start overwhelming the system.
In fact, one of our somebody in Pennsylvania, one of our candidates who won mayor in one of the townships or whatever they call them there, she actually just got removed from her mayor seat by the board.
So we are winning those seats now by overwhelming these municipalities.
And it is.
It's much harder for us.
But once we get into those positions, we have the opportunity to start working on election integrity in those municipalities as well.
But it's just one of those things.
The cards are stacked against anybody who's for freedom and truth and justice.
It doesn't matter if you're Republican, a Democrat, or a Libertarian or Green Party.
I don't give a shit.
They're always going to be stacked against those candidates.
We saw it with Ron Paul and certain Liberty candidates in the Republican Party, their own party stack the cards against these people.
You know what I mean?
It's how it works in politics.
And we have to just overwhelm that system.
And I think it starts with education.
It starts with focusing on areas that we know we can win.
And we started doing it.
I mean, we really did start doing it already a couple of years ago.
I advocate the lean on me approach, the movie, the 1989 Cinema Classic, where we grab baseball bats and we chain all of the doors to all of the voting centers everywhere all at once.
And nobody gets to play in your fake rig system anymore.
Nobody's going to do this.
With the baseball bats, we can do what we've always wanted to do, or perhaps some of us may have done in some version or another when we were, you know, ne'er-do-well teenagers, which is mailbox baseball.
Sorry, man, I'm having flashbacks to the Ron Paul campaign when they actually, the Republicans did that to their own caucus members.
Voting System Stupidity 00:03:40
I have a question about the, because your election system is so stupid.
Can you go Republican and vote Democrat?
Is that a thing?
If you're a registered Republican, can you vote Democrat?
Depends on the state.
Yeah.
Depends on the election.
Why don't you get that too?
Fuck do you?
Why don't you you, as we do in Finland?
You're a citizen, you go in.
What a clarity.
They have your name.
You say, this is my name.
You show your ID.
You go behind the door that nobody ever going to see what you're going to write down.
Then you write it down, the number of the candidate you're going to vote for, and you drop it in a box and hope for the people that count them is honest.
And that's the.
You can't fix an election that way, my man.
Well, another thing is, look, in primaries, you can't vote for the in most states.
Some states, you can do what you want.
In primaries, you can't vote for the other party, but in the actual election, you can.
You can vote for whatever you want, and you do.
You go into a place and you flip switches.
Last time I went anyway.
It's been a while.
You know, just to be clear, that is what happens.
Now, all the rest of the stupid that happens, there's other things going on.
You know, did your vote actually get counted?
Were you actually, even if you voted, did it actually go through?
Because were you purged this and that?
All kinds of nonsense goes on outside of that.
But the idea that you had there is right.
You can, even if you're registered to another party, because otherwise I would have never been able to vote for anybody half the time.
The only party I ever registered with was libertarian.
And previous to that was independent.
So I couldn't have voted for anybody then, right?
Because there was hardly ever independents or even libertarians where I lived running.
But no, that does stand.
Tim, oh man, you said something, though, that cracked me up because I was thinking to myself, you know, you had this we're winning kind of feeling.
You know, I had that at one point, and I think it was back in 2014.
And then, you know, what happened?
Everybody bought Trump as serious.
Everybody bought the real estate hustler from Queens, who I knew exactly what we were going to get because I grew up in Jersey.
And yeah, took that seriously as a way forward.
I thought we were winning up to that point back then when I was doing my shows.
And ever since then, I don't know if we're winning anything.
I got to be honest with you.
Right now is the first time I felt like we were winning since 2008.
So I get it.
I feel you.
I mean, it's just, you know, I saw 9-11 Truth get sidelined.
I saw a lot of other people shutting each other down because they had a disagreement over this one guy.
And, you know, and it's just a WWE.
He's in the WWE Hall of Fame for being the villain, for being a heel.
And people just roll with it.
As if that didn't mean something, if that wasn't somehow significant or important, the guy with a screen actors guild card, the guy who, again, is the fake wrestling bad guy and in the hall of fame for it, the guy with the reality TV show, that guy, that guy is now your small government Christian soldier.
Purdue And The Media Game 00:05:36
Really?
Really?
That's where I started there and went, I don't know what progress we made because I watched the grand split happen there and I said, okay, you know, up to that point, I was willing to fight with everybody.
I mean, hell, I'm still working on the JFK assassination, right?
I mean, I'm willing to go long game, you know, please.
But this, I don't know.
I'd love to feel like we were winning right now.
I really would.
I don't feel that way.
I see around us a whole lot of zombies and a whole lot of zombies that don't know their zombies.
What would winning look like?
You're saying you don't feel like we're winning?
What would winning look like for you?
Like, what, if you, if your ideal vision of winning, what would that look like?
You ever been to a Persian nightclub?
Not Turkey, but like Persian.
I actually have.
It looked a lot like that.
24 hours a day, just non-stop.
Persian.
Steve's got a serious utopia going on here.
I love it.
I love it.
It's great.
I can dig this.
Yes.
Oh, yes, for the Persian nightclub.
I think that Sam brought up a really good point about the legacy media kind of failing, which I think is a really good thing.
And you could see that in like Joe Rogan's show stats, right?
I mean, this guy's getting more viewers than CNN.
He has Alex Jones on that.
That viewership triples.
You know what I mean?
I mean, there's a lot of people out there that are just done with the fucking narrative in this country and they're looking to other outlets.
And I think Sam's got some serious validity, what he said there.
I really do.
I think we are starting to win the media game and beat the legacy media or the corporate news media, as Michael as sorry, as Dave Smith, Malice, and Dave Smith like to say.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I got a brain fart there.
I wanted that Dave Smith in there real quick.
Yeah, I had to, bro.
That's funny.
That's the homie, man.
That's my younger, uglier brother, you know?
Yeah, I'm a big fan.
No, thanks, man.
It's true.
It's true, though.
I think there's a lot of validity to what Sam said that we are starting to win the media game.
And COVID helped that, really.
The COVID regime helped that along for sure.
I feel like we're always going to be stuck, though, between sort of, and now it's showing that this schism that you were talking about blind is showing itself now.
But there's always two different types of people, right?
People that feel free differently, people that want to be told what to do and feel safe in a structure where everything's taken care of.
And then there's a whole bunch of us that just want to be left alone.
So, and I don't think we'll ever be able to have that system where they can get what they want and leave us alone.
I mean, isn't it no matter what kind of corruption or what kind of system there is, there has to be an option for that kind of major flexibility.
You hit it on the nose there, too, as well, because that is the problem right nowadays.
There's a lot of us who want to be left alone, and there's a lot of people who want to be governed.
Like that whole mean, govern me harder, daddy, govern me harder.
And it's so fucking true.
So I don't even know how we do come to a conclusion and win this game.
Let's give them Georgia.
Hey, wait a minute now.
Look, I know I don't sound like it, but that's where I live.
Hold up, hold up.
You don't sound like it at all, buddy.
No, I know.
Again, Jersey, you get Georgia is where I've lived for the past several years, but no, don't give them Georgia.
Please, please.
Because we've actually experienced something weird here.
The COVID thing didn't affect us as much.
It just didn't.
I mean, yeah, it had the greater, you know, we saw the greater sort of what should I say?
The amassing of power among the corporate outlets and all that, the cookie cutters, they got to survive better than the smaller businesses.
All that was true, but not everybody was masked.
Okay.
Not everybody wanted to get down with this.
Not everybody got with the go-get-the-shots.
Not everybody was on Stacey Abrams' team.
Okay.
Which I still don't understand how they're running her again.
You're going to run in Georgia and you're anti-gun.
What's wrong with you?
I don't get it.
But anyway, and I'm not thrilled about it.
Go for Shane Hazel, by the way.
She was on the steering committee of Bill Bildeberg.
Yeah.
I loved Ted Metz, by the way.
Ted Metz is a good friend of mine.
Yeah, I like that.
He's an awesome dude.
Shane's even better, though.
What's the other guy, dude?
The guy was running as a Republican.
He was a friend of the My Pillow guy, but he didn't get the endorsement from Trump.
Purdue got him instead.
You guys know what I'm talking about?
No, no, no.
I'm talking about this time coming around for governor.
Oh, governor.
He didn't.
I don't think he even ended up making it.
I think I think.
I don't know.
I'm so focused on Shane Hazel's campaign, man.
The Republican dude.
Oh, my God.
I forgot his name.
The only Republican outlier I know is Derek Grayson that ran, but he didn't run.
I don't think he ran for governor.
He's talking about this election this year.
This year.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Whoever the Republican is.
Look, that's a bad sign.
Nobody can name the Republican here.
Yeah, right.
It was Purdue.
It was Purdue, but it was somebody else that was involved.
And I can't remember his name.
And I think that a lot of people were expecting him to be the Trump get the tap from Trump, but he didn't.
Purdue got it instead.
And Purdue ended up getting his ass ticked.
So I think there's some kind of pretty good news.
Kemp won.
He's a black guy.
Oh, my God.
Vernon Jones.
Thank you.
Vernon Jones.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, and he was into election integrity as well and whatnot.
And a lot of people were surprised that Trump didn't tap him on the shoulder and say, let's go.
Talent Shifts Away 00:03:56
I think we can wrap up with some good news.
And that is that the mainstream corporate horror media is losing their grip on society.
Nobody's listening to them.
CNN lost 90% of its viewers.
MSNBC has nobody watching it.
Fox News is, you know, Fox News.
But it's falling apart.
And the people that when they wake, they're going to wake up to this at some point, and they're going to be looking for answers, and they're going to be looking to show our shows to try and figure out what's really going on.
So, we have a unique opportunity here to capture these people as they wake up out of their mainstream media-induced slumber and they come to the realization: hang on a second, I've been lied to by these bastards my entire life.
Nothing that they've said is true, and they're going to be disoriented and trying to make sense of the world.
And that's kind of where we step in.
And we don't, it's not to say that we have it all figured out, but at least I think that we're all coming from a place of wanting to make things better, being honest about how we see the world, and our shows stand out.
And, you know, because we're talking about the things that don't get on the mainstream news.
So, I'm appreciative for all of you guys coming out because, you know, this is the first step, right?
We've got to have the discussion.
We got to talk about this stuff and figure out how we're going to strategize and move forward because it feels like the wheels are falling off the narrative.
And I think that that's a good thing, but we have to make sure there's going to be a vacuum there.
We've got to make sure that it's not filled by some new version of the corporate media, but instead it's filled by people that are actually talking about the things that are important and they're delivering it in a way that's honest and filled with integrity.
And hopefully, that's the role that we can play.
So, I'm appreciative all you guys were able to come out and just give us your opinion on things.
Ricky.
I just want to add to you, Charlie Robinson, because I agree.
And there's something else.
I spent 16 years in Hollywood and film and TV.
I'm telling you, that whole model is done.
It is done.
People now, the talent, the work is going to go where the talent creates it.
And there are people, grassroots all over this country, raising money, starting small film studios, starting small music recording studios.
There is such a momentum going with creators outside, and I mean like film, television, music, everything outside of the old model.
They're ignoring the agencies.
They're ignoring the hierarchy there.
They want nothing to do with Hollywood.
From what I hear, Hollywood is a ghost town cesspool, and people are barely surviving.
There are no deals.
The CCP took back all their dirty money.
And it does appear that there are movies and projects and music studios popping up all over this country.
And that talent will start to also be decentralized.
The ability to make projects that matter, that inspire and are the kind of movies I grew up wanting to make will be coming out again.
It will go back to, you know, the music being music again and film and plays.
And I have a lot of hope in that realm from behind the scenes, in my opinion.
So in that realm, I think we are winning in that space too.
Decentralized everything.
That's good because Hollywood is filled with literal potbelly vampire goblin pedophiles.
That's it.
That's all that's all that live there anymore.
So, yes.
But they're everywhere.
They're in politics, they're in fashion.
Yeah, but they're really concentrated in Hollywood.
So this is the part of the show where we let you guys plug your shows, your projects, whatever you have going on.
Ronnie, maybe we'll go with you first because it's really, really, really late or really early in Finland.
I don't know what time it is there, but it's early.
Spread The Word 00:08:07
It's in the morning now.
As my arm is going like a robot here, I'm trying to make my son go to sleep again.
So yes, I have the Enlighten Me with Rona podcast.
And I've had Ricky on.
I'm going to have Charlie on and I have other guests in between.
And Michael Dank is coming.
And hopefully, Richard Gage.
He said yes.
Then he ghosted me a bit.
I don't know.
We'll see how that goes.
But yeah, and I would love to have some of you USA so-called lefties on to really think about what you think leftism means in USA because the right wing in Europe is left.
So you guys may have it a bit confused what it means to be a leftist.
So if you want to talk about that, hit me up.
And your show, the Enlighten Me podcast, I know you have the video version on Odyssey.
You want to let people know where you can get it and if the audio is available everywhere.
It's most of the podcast.
I have not yet figured out Apple because they said I need to register like put a payment in and stuff like that.
I was like, fuck you guys.
You're an American bullshit country.
I will not do that.
So everything except Apple should be fine.
So look out.
Enlighten me podcast.
Yeah.
Check it out.
If you want to know really what he thinks about lefties.
Or America.
I don't like you guys either.
Hey, did you say you pay like 60% of taxes in Finland, dude?
Come on, man.
We're not that bad.
Yeah.
I fucking hate my country too.
It doesn't mean I like you guys.
Okay, fair, fair.
Welcome to NATO.
Yeah.
Right.
It made my government join your fucking mercenary.
Economic forum, young global leader, president.
Yeah.
That one.
She's putting out the boobs.
That's our fault.
So now everybody votes for her.
It's like, here's my boobs.
Vote for me.
And people are like, oh, that's almost going to work for Tulsi Gabbard when they put her with Ron DeSantis later on.
She's not running with Ron DeSantis.
She's running against the Republican Party.
They're running against each other.
He's a fucking Gusano.
Watch.
Yeah.
Forget about it.
She's going to take iPads McCain's other eyeball on the debate stage.
They're going to hold Republican UFC 24 right here.
Meanwhile, they're both WEF junior leaders.
Yeah, but Tulsi's been like persona and grada.
She's not there.
It's like Putin.
They've been don't get me stayed.
They've been expelled.
Sorry, man.
Don't get me expensive.
We're wrapping up.
We're not going to open up.
I've never, I've never owned Tulsi.
I've never trusted Tulsi.
All right.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
Joshua Smith, where can we find you?
Tulsi's a socialist gun grabber.
Anyways, I have a great show that has not yet been removed from YouTube, thankfully.
You can find me at youtube.com backslash fight the despots.
Shows called Break the Cycle.
I try to do it twice a week, sometimes five times a week.
It just depends on how I'm rolling at home with seven kids and a job and running a political party and all that good stuff.
So yeah, check out my show there.
You can listen to it in the audio form on all the podcast apps, all that good stuff.
So I can even have a show with Charlie on there.
It was really fun.
Good one.
And one with Steve as well.
It's true.
Yeah.
Bringing out all the big names, man.
You know what I mean?
Graham.
This has been fantastic.
Like I said, I think we agree on way more than we think, you know.
Anyways, you can find everything at GrayAmerica.ca.
We do have a bunch of audiobooks there as well.
If you click on the audiobooks thing, this will take you to a website called adultbrain.ca.
We even got the Unibomber manifesto on audio there.
So there's some pretty cool political and secret society stuff on there.
And we do trips and events with guys like Randall Carlson.
We got some September spots open.
We're going to be checking out where the mega flood and the younger dryest kind of wrecked your continent.
You're the United States of America when the ice melted from Canada.
So we've got some cool events like that at contacted the cabin.com.
So yeah, thanks for inviting me.
Are you from Canada?
I'm from Canada.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Hey, man, I love hockey too.
So we're going to go.
And open up your border so six million of us can come back down there.
Seems a little high.
Okay, let me give a shout out to Graham Erica because when the COVID started, you guys had a podcast about the medicine that will prevent COVID.
I listened to that like 10 times and didn't work.
People didn't understand why I knew stuff, but you guys were early.
Thanks, buddy.
Yeah, we were on it early and we were called crazy and paranoid.
And now they wonder why we don't want to comply.
Chuck Ocelli.
Yeah, that's me.
Anyway, o'celli.com.
That's where my podcast, The O'Chelley Effect, comes out of.
But I also produce a few others, including Jack Blood and let's see, and Aaron Franz, The Age of Transitions, and another thing called I'm Looking Through You with Bob Wilson.
So all audio stuff mainly.
I don't usually do video.
I'm not a visual medium kind of guy because as you guys noted earlier, yeah, blind JFK researcher, I'm also known as.
So anyway, and I'm still somehow on YouTube, although they keep hitting me.
But go to my website if you want to actually get all the shows that they don't take down or spring me over on.
I'd appreciate it.
And I don't get paid for traffic or anything, completely independently funded.
All that good stuff.
So o'celli.com.
O'Chelly's got to say, O'Chelly's got the best podcast voice here, man.
It's really good.
It's a good one.
For sure.
I wish I'm sick today, actually.
Maybe it made it better.
Very AJ when you're sick.
Well, no, you know what?
People from Australia say that to me all the time.
You sound exactly like him.
I'm like, no, I don't.
I don't have the same accent.
You're missing the regional accent here.
Okay.
Definitely from Jersey.
Okay.
Yeah.
And also lived in New York.
So you can hear all that.
Anyways, no, no, no.
I know.
I'm always raspy and everything anyway.
So, yeah.
But appreciate it, man.
Thank you.
We love you, Chuck.
Of course, man.
Mel, what's happening on the Mel K show these days?
Oh, well, fun times always.
I have a great show coming out in the next two days with Jason, which is always great.
Charlie's a great guest.
I'd love to have on everyone because I like to talk to all kinds of people because that's the best way to figure out what's really going on.
And it's themelkayshow.com.
And we, of course, have not been on YouTube for over a year, but we are on Rumble and BitChute and the Mel K Show Duck TV.
That's our private server.
And we've been very blessed to keep it going.
And I'm very blessed to be here.
Thank you so much, guys.
I love all of you.
And thank you so much, Ricky and Charlie.
You know, you're two of my favorite people out there.
And your shows are amazing.
And of course, Burmese is my meter for what's real and what's not real.
Just go watch Jason Burmese and you'll find out how good or bad the world is today.
Speaking of that, what's going on with Jason Burmes?
Oh, I am currently booted off YouTube yet again, even though I killed it.
That's another week and a half.
Congratulations.
Yep.
Pegged me for a February 2021 video.
They take me down every chance they can get.
So we started a rumble.
So we're rumbling.
We almost have a thousand subscribers over there.
Podbean, where I was supposed to have unlimited access because I pay like 30 bucks a month to do so, capped me today.
Blessing in Disguise 00:06:20
So I was actually trying to put my stuff up there.
Couldn't do it.
Doesn't matter.
I'm a winner.
I'm going to keep putting stuff out, Charlie.
So everything's out there.
You just follow me at Jason Burma's.
Take my stuff, spread it out there.
You know, like I said, man, I'm having fun doing all this.
You know, I know I talk about some dark shit.
I spent an hour today talking about a literal, you know, possible high-level occultic pedophile murder ring.
Not my favorite subject.
Not going to bring smiles, leprechauns, and unicorns to the world.
But you know what?
Unfortunately, the cart documents are real.
There seems to be some validity in the case, and people should know that's part of the power structure.
So we're skipping along, Charlie.
I want people to get my stuff, watch my films, and share them, brother.
We do too.
A.M. Wake Up.
You guys have created your own early morning show, forcing you to get up early against my will, at least.
Good Lord.
Right, baby.
We changed our whole lifestyle.
Well, Steve didn't change his lifestyle because, you know, he doesn't sleep that much and he's always up in the morning.
For me, I was a nighttime guy.
I always worked in the restaurant business and I wanted to do this with Steve.
We just, you know, obviously we work together with the same kind of crew.
If you don't know about the combo couch, that's my other business partner, Fiorella Isabel, who just landed in Moscow yesterday.
She's working for RT.
So we're going to still continue to do our combo couch show Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at around 11 or 12 o'clock, depending on her schedule.
But this morning show has just been a blessing in disguise.
I mean, yeah, I got to get up at five o'clock in the morning, but I've changed my whole life.
And I couldn't ask for a better partner and Steve to do this with.
And we invite you all to come on.
When you want to come on, please do so.
When you want to just drop on in, hit us up.
But it is the premiere morning show on the interwebs now, AM Wake Up, 7 a.m. to 10 a.m. on Rockfin only, Monday through Friday from 7 a.m. to 10 a.m.
Tomorrow we have a couple guests on, including we're going to have Paul Merrick on, Doctor, to talk about a little bit what's going on with these attacks on the doctors that they are now kind of trying to put them in the penalty box, whether it be Dr. McCullough, Dr. Simone Gold.
So yeah, that's what we got going on.
A.M. Wake Up.
I'll pass it over to my brother Steve.
So we also are going to have a conversation with Jim Gale from Food Forest Abundance tomorrow morning.
And then John Leake, who's co-writing the book, or co-wrote the book with Dr. Peter McCullough, is going to be on.
Dr. McCullough was supposed to be on.
We're rescheduling.
He had a flight he had to cut, something like that.
Tremendous week of guests this week, including from the Ripple Effect one Ricky Verandis.
Very much looking forward to that.
Yeah, rockfin.com slash a.m wake up, rockfin.com slash slow newsday.
Full archive for everything available for download for free at videos.slownewsday show.com.
And the best ensemble podcast on the planet.
And Charlie and Ricky and Sam and Mike are the freaking OGs, dude.
They rock.
What time zone is that 7 o'clock at?
Pacific.
Okay.
West Coast.
That's 9 for me.
That works.
I like that.
Macroaggressions.
He's out right now.
I got an interview with Nick Bryant from the Franklin scandal, which is a banger.
Definitely check that out.
Benny Wills will be on Sunday.
You can catch that.
Macroaggressions in audio format, wherever podcasts are served, in video on banned.video, iconic Rockfin and Odyssey.
Did Joshua, did you go already?
Yeah, I went already.
I should say that I'll be at Porkfest on Wednesday through Sunday this week, too.
If anybody's in the New Hampshire area, it's the biggest libertarian get-together of the year in the United States.
And so it's all like, you know, in the mountains of New Hampshire and camp out.
There's all kinds of great people there.
Dave Smith will be there.
You know, it'll be fun.
Every time you say Dave Smith, no, that's he's just my buddy.
No, and then on Monday next week, I'll have Alex Stein, Primetime 99, on the show, the greatest, the greatest city council troll of all time.
So, of all time.
Our generation's Andy Kaufman.
Yeah, we don't deserve him at all.
Yeah, Ernie Hancock was supposed to call in today, actually, from Porkfest, and Richard Grove is there, and he's a good friend of ours.
So, you'll see all those guys.
I love Ernie Hancock, man.
I'm scared of him.
Yeah, he's awesome.
They've been trying to get me.
I live in Massachusetts.
Richard's been trying to get me to Porkfest for years.
Just drive up there, man.
You're like two hours away.
You'd be all right.
Yeah, it's not too far, though.
The ripple effectpodcast.com.
That's where you can find all my stuff.
I'm on every platform just about besides YouTube.
I've been banned off YouTube, so I am on ban.video, where a lot of banned people are.
But I'm on Rumble, BitChute.
I have a bunch of great interviews.
I don't remember who's going to be on this week, but I just had Dave Rubin on recently.
Did an amazing podcast with Monica Perez, who was on earlier today, the propaganda report, Monica Perez, and also her new show, Deep Dives with Monica Perez.
We did like two hours and we did deep dives and just about every, and we did deep dives and just about everything.
So really fun.
But the ripple effectpodcast.com available everywhere.
Podcasts are available.
Sam Tripley, Tinfoil Hat, Zero, 8 million of Cash Daddies, 8 million other shows.
I don't know.
Sam left already, yeah.
Yeah, just plugging his stuff for him.
It's too bad.
That's too bad.
Someone told me to ask him a question, and I totally skipped it, unfortunately.
They told me to ask him if he's still got the wig.
Do you know something about a wig?
Anybody know about that?
No.
All right.
Sounds kinky.
Ask Sam if he still has the wig from Jacksonville.
And he just said, trust me.
I wish I would have got that question.
Oh, yeah.
They were there this weekend.
Yeah, it must have been what it was.
I guess.
I don't know.
I guess my buddy went and saw him down there this weekend.
So Mike, obdmpod.com, our bigdumouth.com.
Thank you all.
Thank you, guys.
Thanks.
Thanks, guys.
Have a great night.
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