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Nick Bryant Reveals The Darkest Secrets Of The Levers Of Power

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Nick Bryant's Skeptical Journey 00:01:51
Hey everybody, Jason Burmes here and I've really got a special broadcast because although we had Derek Brose on yesterday and we mainly focused on Utah, yet briefly discussed the finders and of course the Franklin scandal, it is my utmost pleasure to bring on Nick Bryant, the author of this book.
I haven't spoken to the man in over a decade.
It is one of the most powerful and well-documented reads I have ever had.
Over the past 10 plus years, I have handed that book out to many people.
It is not often that one people take a book, two people read a book, three, that book changes their perspective on the world and the power structure.
And time and time, again, it did because it is extremely well sourced, extremely well documented.
And he came into it as a skeptic.
So without further ado, we're going to be talking to Nick Bryant for the next hour or so, not only about the Franklin scandal, but what we know about the Utah case and the similarities between the two and the involvement and the behavior that is being reported.
So Mr. Bryant, first of all, introduce yourself to my audience.
And then if you could, sir, tell them how you got involved in this subject matter.
Because as I understand it, as you portray in the book, you come in as a complete skeptic to John DeCamp's book, The Franklin Cover-Up.
Hi, everybody.
My name is Nick Bryant, and I'm an author.
I live in New York City.
Good to see you, Jason.
And I wrote a book, as Jason said, The Franklin Scandal.
And it's kind of interesting how that book came about.
Satanic Ritual Abuse Reports 00:16:11
I was pitching articles to an editor at Rolling Stone, and he said, you know, pitch me really dark articles.
So I kind of threw my hands up in the air.
I said, well, you know, Satanists, Nazis, next, I was going to go werewolves, vampires.
And that little glint in his eye.
Satanists.
Yes.
Write an article about Satanists.
So I had a simple plan.
I was going to hang out with some Satanists, go to a black mass, write an article, and get a paycheck.
I mean, it was that easy.
But then when you're a writer and you're looking at a subject, you tend to look at a subject matter that's related to that subject.
And at that point, I came across a U.S. Customs report on a cult called The Finders that was seemingly trafficking children and doing very nefarious things to them.
And they were busted in Tallahassee, Florida with six kids.
Two of the male finders, adult male finders, were busted with six kids ranging from two to six.
The social services doctor said that two of the kids had been sexually abused.
Child pornography was found.
That's why the U.S. Customs were called in.
They handled child pornography.
And the U.S. Customs and the Washington, D.C. police executed a warehouse on the Finders, and they found all kinds of nefarious things and pictures of kids that were nude.
And The finders had a strategy to infiltrate babysitting networks or family care networks.
I mean, it just, it was mind-boggling.
And then with one foul swoop, the CIA says that this is an internal matter and that there'll be no more investigation into the finders.
And then that and that was how it was left.
And I read that document and I thought to myself, because I kind of thought I knew the world at that point.
And I read that document and it made no sense to me.
What I knew about the world and what that document was saying were the chasm was absurd.
So I started to dig into the finders and to see what went down there.
And I really couldn't get anywhere.
I kept on hitting brick walls.
And before we go any further, let's just talk about what we do know what was in that document.
And then later, I believe in the last two years, we actually got some of the handwritten police reports.
You had this very bizarre scene where these dirty children were playing and people thought it was weird.
There was a van and they were connected to these two individuals that you kind of went into a little bit of detail in.
But when they went in the van itself, it had equipment in it that was hooking it up to the quote-unquote internet of the day, the ARPANET, okay, that was not very accessible at the time.
So what was really strange, obviously, was that these kids were filthy.
They talked about, you know, extremely filthy.
But then you read the handwritten reports, especially, they seem to be, there seemed to be no doubt from the medical examinations that they had been sexually abused continuously.
True of them.
Yes.
And I actually, I've got a podcast and I did a show on the finders.
A journalist named Elizabeth Voss did a very nice three-part series on the finders.
And to your listeners, I would suggest checking out my podcast and also Elizabeth Voss's articles.
And the thing about the finders was they had passports that were sanctioned for the Eastern Bloc.
And then there was a telex on one of the computers that said, you know, keep the children moving and don't stop it through various jurisdictions.
And then there was another telex that said they were going to buy two Chinese children in Hong Kong.
So regardless of how you cut this up, it's pretty nefarious.
And for the CIA to come in and just quash the whole matter was mind-boggling to me.
Now, there was a release of finders documents, and a lot of them had been scrubbed.
And it looked like the finders, like Ramon Martinez was the customs agent that wrote that report.
And a number of these documents came out and they were scrubbed.
And it really tried to cast aspersions, negative aspersions, onto Ramon Martinez, who wrote that customs report.
But Elizabeth Voss did a really good job of comparing them all.
And when you take them in totality, it's not a cover-up job.
It's pretty damning if you look between the lines.
And then I had the Tallahassee police report on the Finders, and I gave that to her.
I acquired that like three or four years ago, and I really hadn't done anything with it.
So I gave it to her.
She had a lot of ammunition and she wrote a very good article about it, or series of articles.
Well, what strikes me about all this is continually when you have these sorts of cases, there is an element of occult ritualistic abuse or satanic ritual abuse.
Again, that comes up in the Utah case, at least via the allegations.
And I want to make it very clear: even in the Franklin scandal, you really didn't have any convictions.
At the end of the day, they said it was a carefully crafted hoax involving Alicia Owens, Troy Bonner, and of course, Paul Bonacci.
Paul Bonacci wins a civil suit against Larry King.
And really, where the two come together.
Yeah.
And, you know, the thing that happens where they come together is this is all happening during the late 80s into the early 90s when basically that callboy scandal breaks out because of receipts made by Craig Spence, an insider in D.C.
So continue with your story.
You do the piece on the finders, you become extremely curious.
Actually, I didn't do the piece on the finders.
I went back to that editor and I said, look at this.
Look at what I've got.
He says, well, Nick, you know, I think we just want to kind of stick to Satanism.
He wanted to know part of the finders.
Now, because of that document, I started thinking of things that I otherwise wouldn't have thought of.
And I started looking for: has this happened before?
Is this part of our government?
How did this happen?
And then I came across what happened in Omaha, Nebraska.
And there was a bootlegged documentary on Nebraska.
And then there was John DeCamp's book.
And I don't think that they made a case for a pedophile ring in Omaha, but they were claiming to make a case for like a nationwide pedophile network that was connected to blackmail and intelligence.
And I don't think either one of those sources made a very good case for that.
So I went to Omaha the first time thinking that something has gone on here.
And I didn't think Boys Town was involved.
Boys Town is the August orphanage, probably the most famous orphanage in the world.
But I thought something had probably happened in Omaha.
And I spent two weeks there.
And then, I mean, I talked to Paul Bonassi, I talked to Rusty Nelson, who was one of the photographers.
I talked to some people on social services.
I talked to John DeCamp.
I talked to some politicians.
And people were very frightened to talk about this.
I mean, it was like I was like I was doing an expose on the KGB in Stalinist Russia.
That's how frightened people were.
And I came away with a lot of documentation, too.
Gary Caradori, a Senate subcommittee had formed to look into these allegations, and they hired a very good private investigator named Gary Carradori, who I believe was murdered.
But he put together a lot of documentation, and I was able to acquire a lot of that documentation on my first trip.
And then for the paste of resistance, I had a death threat my last night there.
And death threats are very effective, A, for having someone get the hell out of there, or B, determining that what he's looking into is true.
And I took B instead of A.
I shouldn't have said.
So let's rewind a little bit because you talked to Rusty Nelson, and he came up.
I couldn't remember his last name yesterday when I was talking to Derek.
And I always find it extremely wild how basically the punishment for these people is so minuscule even when they're caught.
And Rusty Nelson's part in this is he was taking pictures of kids in sexual positions and then helping to distribute.
With adults.
Yes, with adults.
He was a child pornographer.
There is no other way to put this.
And this is a man who really hasn't been in the legal system in decades, as far as I know.
We all know.
He spent some time in Oregon.
He did in the, I believe, in the late 80s, early 90s, correct?
Yeah, exactly.
But my point being, he's around, he's out there.
When these people do get caught, they usually get slaps on the wrist.
Whenever it's connected to the most powerful of people, all of a sudden, these allegations are no longer credible, etc.
Do you think that one of the reasons that the occult aspect comes into play is because, in other words, these people utilize it not because they so much believe in it, but because they know it will heavily discredit their victims when it occurs?
For instance, and the other connection that I'm always wondering about is you look at trauma-based mind control and splitting personalities.
Well, you can watch Paul Bonacci's testimony.
You know, it's out there.
And clearly, you know, he's going through these manic personalities.
At some points, it's a joke to him.
Yet, the information that he gives is corroborated by other people time and time again.
Well, with the occult, we went through, I hate to use this term, the satanic panic in the 1980s.
And it's kind of interesting.
Rosh Shiat, who is a professor at Brown University, went back over all those satanic panic, quote-unquote, satanic panic cases.
And he showed, he spent 15 years on this book, and then he conscripted many of his students at Brown to help him with the research.
And he found that in the majority of these cases where there had been a quote-unquote satanic panic, children had been abused, sexually abused.
So that's, and his book is called The Wish Hunt Narrative.
And that's a very good resource.
Now, when it gets into the occult, I've talked to a number of occultists about this.
And there is a very dark corner of the occult.
And their sacrament is the defilement of innocence.
I don't think there's it's very, very dark.
But yeah, the defilement of innocence is what makes them, you know, that's how they come together.
And if you're doing that to a child, there's a tremendous amount of, as the mafia would say, omerta involved, silence.
So with the Franklin scandal, there were three cases of three victims did talk about ritual abuse.
And I found their stories to be very similar.
I didn't find their stories.
I did not think that they were lying to me.
And I believed them about that aspect.
And it's really, because that part of the occult has been so heavily discredited, it's very difficult.
Uh for people to.
They just look at something like that and then they shut down.
Um, and and it's truly unfortunate, because there was a woman that wrote a book called Hell Minus One and um, she was talking about how she had been uh ritually abused in in her family and and her family's neighbors and um, and there was actual police documentation on it.
Um, so I mean her story was was pretty infallible.
So the people that say that it never occurs I I think are erroneous.
Um, there was a FBI agent, uh Ken Lansing, at the.
He wrote a report about uh ritual abuse and uh I think came out in the early 2000s.
Um, and he said that there was really no ritual abuse that he could.
But he was.
He was never in the field, I mean, he just stayed at Quantico and wrote a report, so I never really put and and people that are in the field of counseling have never put a lot of uh given that report a lot of credit.
In one of my uh podcasts I talk about the extreme abuse survey, where there's approximately 400 people that have gone through extreme abuse, um that were queried on the uh on the survey and a sizable.
I would tell your guests to to Google uh extreme abuse survey and a number of those people said that they had been through ritual abuse.
I mean, we're talking scores and scores.
There was 1500 people that ultimately answered questions for that uh survey.
So if one of them is telling the truth, I mean there's ritual abuse.
If just one of them so, and and a number of them uh said that they've been ritually abused, and there was a fairly significant um number of of respondees that said that they had been through a government mind control program.
Susceptible to Hypnosis 00:08:40
Um, and there was a nexus between the two.
And I think what's what's kind of interesting is, if you impose a tremendous amount of trauma on a child, they will become uh dissociative, they will have dissociative identity disorder, which is which was formerly called multiple personality disorder.
And what's interesting um, and you you, you can see this with uh George Esterbrooks of the CIA.
He was his thing Was hypnosis.
Once someone is DID, they're highly susceptible to hypnosis.
And that's what we see when I've talked to people that I've spoken at a lot of conferences.
And when I talk to people that claim to be mind-controlled, most of them talk about hypnosis.
And actually, I've got an MK-Ultra document.
I think it's Sub-Project 126.
that talks about inducing multiple personality disorder with hypnosis, electric shock, drugs, and quote-unquote psychological tricks.
And I kind of shudder to think what were psychological tricks.
So we have CIA documentation that they were going for multiple personality disorder, which is really when you're creating a Manchurian candidate, if one part of them would be the assassin and then another part would switch over and not realize what that other part had done.
I mean, that would be highly effective.
And I think that we probably see that with Sir Hanser Han as a Manchurian candidate.
The way that he wrote RFK Must I, he filled up a notebook with it.
And actually, I don't think there was any way he could have shot Bobby Kennedy behind the head because he was in front of Bobby Kennedy.
And he doesn't remember any of it.
Now, either he's a liar or there was some kind of mind control going on.
You know, when you're talking about MKUltra, one of the things I want to put out there, because we're talking about trauma-based mind control and access to children, well, obviously there's the book Chaos Out There that, you know, doesn't draw definitive lines to the CIA and FBI and Manson, but certainly a lot of circumstantial evidence and suspect behavior around that.
And we know that the CIA on both coasts was running brothels, more than likely with teenage and underage girls in different aspects.
And that's another part of MKUltra that really isn't discussed.
Well, that operation was called Midnight Climax, and it was run by a truly demented individual.
His name was George White.
And if you want to read about someone who's really sick, who has tremendous power, who harnessed tremendous power, George White, not quite Jager Hoover-like, but certainly up there.
And what was going on there was there would be prostitutes in these brothels, and there would be two-way mirrors like the two-way mirrors that we've encountered in the Franklin scandal.
And what would happen is they would bring the Johns back to the CIA safe house, and then the Johns would be plied with various drugs, not knowing that they were plied with various drugs, and other things would happen to them.
And of course, most of the Johns were married, so they were blackmailed into their silence.
But there's been reports that those houses were also used for compromising various foreign diplomats.
I've read accounts of it, but I don't think we have a good enough consensus on that for me to say that I believe in that absolutely.
But I do believe absolutely that people were getting compromised in those safe houses.
They were in New York and San Francisco.
So let's talk about some other aspects that bring you into the Franklin scandal.
So you get the death threat, and you decide that you're going to go out and do your own investigation.
To your credit, you do find other victims.
You are, again, extremely well sourced.
One of the other things that seems to be happening in parallel at the same time as the Franklin scandal is the scandal with Stephen Goby and Barney Frank.
And that also involved the principal at the Chevy Chase Elementary School, where it came out that services were being done inside the school.
And in both cases, we actually had an ethics committee hearing on Frank.
Didn't even really get a slap on the wrist.
And the principal of the school at Chevy Chase just had to resign.
There were never any criminal charges or a serious investigation into that.
How do you think that might connect?
Well, I think that that is part of the Franklin scandal.
That is the Washington, D.C. side of the Franklin scandal.
I wrote a book called Confessions of a DC Man on the Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail with Henry Vincent.
And he ran that escort service that Frank Joby worked at.
And actually, Joby was doing his own, he was living with Barney Frank, and he was running his own escort service out of Barney Frank's apartment.
And then that's when he hooked up with that principal.
And according to Joby, who is kind of an unsavory guy.
And that's the thing about investigations like this.
You're going to deal with them.
If you're going to go into this world, you're going to deal with unsavory people and people that have been heavily traumatized and can be very violent.
But Henry Vincent ran that escort service, and Craig Spence, and this is mid-1980s, spent about $25,000 a month on his escorts.
And Spence's house was wired for audiovisual blackmail.
There were a bunch of pinhole cameras, and then there was a secret room where there were a bunch of monitors.
And we saw the same thing with Jeffrey Epstein and his Fifth Avenue mansion in New York City.
But Henry Vincent was sitting there with Lawrence King and Craig Spence, who are the two pimps of this nationwide network.
And both very evil men.
And suddenly, Craig Spence starts to talk to Henry about his life and actually he shows like a personal interest in Henry.
And he's just sees Craig Spence as like a bundle of seismic narcissism.
So it's like the Red Sea is partying where Spence is taking like an interest in Henry's life.
He's talking about Henry about where he went to school, where he grew up, and how he runs the escort service.
And then at a certain point, Spence gets up and he kind of signals Henry to follow him.
And then he opens up a closet door.
And behind the closet door is a secret door.
And then it's monitors.
And Spence, you know, he hits a couple of buttons.
And then all of a sudden, there's Henry talking about his escort service.
And Spence basically said, you know, I blackmail people and consider yourself blackmailed.
So that was Henry's awakening.
And Craig Spence was a CIA asset.
And he ended up dead, correct?
Yes, he committed suicide.
It's on the internet that he was suicided, but I don't believe that.
I think, well, first of all, he had late-stage AIDS.
And this was in the early 90s, so that was kind of a death sentence at that point.
And I believe that he was told, because he got heavily into crack cocaine, and he was shooting off his mouth too much.
And I believe that he was told that either you off yourself or will off you since you've been such a good agent for us, helping us compromise people with children.
Time's Ticking 00:16:31
We'll give you that option.
And Craig Spence's death is quite bizarre.
It was in the Boston Brits, and he was in a tuxedo and he overdosed on an antidepressant called nitriptyline.
And the U.S. Attorney's Office wouldn't release any documentation about it.
They were really mums of word.
And ultimately, what happened was, and the Washington Times did a really good job on reporting about Spence and his blackmail operation and him taking midnight tours of the White House with male escorts.
And it was actually that reporting was nominated for a poetry prize.
But then the Washington Post, the New York Times, and the LA Times, which often happens, ganged up on the Washington Times and just kicked him to the corner and said, this is all bullshit.
And of course, the Washington Times is owned by the Reverend Moon.
So that takes away a certain sheath of credibility right out of the gate.
But those reporters did an amazing job.
And yeah, so that the thing with Frank Joby, Barney Frank, and Barney Frank was using that escort service that Henry Vincent was running for escort.
So that is all interconnected with the kids.
I mean, the kids were flown to Washington, D.C.
I acquired about 200 of Lawrence E. King's flight receipts, and the vast majority of them go to Washington, D.C.
They were originally subpoenaed by Gary Karadori, but I was able to get a hold of them.
And the vast majority go to Washington, D.C.
So let's talk about Larry King because we haven't talked about him in this interview yet.
And this is a guy, again, we talked about Russie Nelson.
As far as I know, he hasn't been and is not currently incarcerated.
I believe he was a state senator at the time.
He was kind of a darling of the Republican Party.
And he had actually showed up at the RNC and sang the national anthem at one point.
You could actually see all of this, guys, in the documentary he talked about, Conspiracy of Silence.
It's still out there, unbelievably.
And he's the focal point of the Franklin scandal for most people, including yourself.
Is that correct?
Yes, he wasn't a senator.
He was a, but he was a power broker.
Okay.
And where he got his power is because he was working with intelligence and blackmailing people.
King ran a savings and loan, or actually a credit union called the Franklin Credit Union.
That's where the story gets its name from.
And that credit union was in a lower socioeconomic part of Omaha, and it should have had at the most 2.5 million in it.
But then King hadn't been audited in four years.
And federally insured credit unions have to be audited every year.
And over the course of those four years, he built it of $40 billion.
It was his personal ATM.
And then when FBI, shortly after George Herbert Walker Bush was elected, the FBI took down King and it came out that he'd basically embezzled $40 million from the Franklin Credit Union.
And the Nebraska Senate formed a subcommittee to look into that.
They were just aware of the financial improprieties.
They had no idea of the other side of King's life.
But there had been some bustouts with banks previously in Nebraska, and they wanted to know if this was a situation that was endemic to Nebraska.
And what happened once that subcommittee formed, it was called the Franklin Committee, once that the Franklin Committee formed, there were a number of, there were social services people that went to them because social services knew that Lawrence C. King was running a child trafficking network.
They had had some kids come forward and they went to both federal law enforcement and state law enforcement and both were ignored.
And ultimately, what happened with King is his good friend, so he was taken down.
And about the same time, Spence committed suicide.
Now, King was taken down, and his good friend, George Herbert Walker Bush, had come to town on a fundraising junket.
And all of a sudden, King was scooped up and taken to a mental institution in Springfield, Missouri.
And it was diagnosed delusional.
But he was there.
Well, there were two grand juries that were formed that say that there was no child abuse allegations, a state and a federal grand jury.
And King was ensconced at that psychiatric hospital while these grand juries were deliberating.
And lo and behold, once the grand juries had deliberated and exonerated King of any child abuse trafficking charges, he was suddenly compass mentis and was let out of the psychiatric hospital.
And he ultimately got a 10-year sentence for, he ultimately did about 10 years for embezzling the $40 million.
There wasn't a single child abuse charge against him.
Now, on my web or on my podcast, I have a page that's called the Franklin Scandal Revisited to Stop a Predator, because Lawrence C. King is living in Virginia.
And three times he's tried to inveigle himself into various groups that would give him access to children.
And all three times I've stopped him.
And it's, yeah.
And I, you know, the federal government, there's a number of people in the federal government that know that he's a super predator.
I mean, super predators.
Obviously.
Yeah.
And now he's just, he's running around trying to join groups that will give him access to children.
And it's me that's stopping him.
I mean, you would think that the federal government would step up a little bit and to ensure that.
But would they, Nick?
I mean, you have, for instance, Dennis Hassert, at the time, the longest-serving speaker of the House from the Republican Party, who's labeled as a serial child molester by a judge.
He doesn't even do the 15 months of him basically getting caught in a blackmail embezzlement scandal where one of his victims was being paid off and then he acted like he was the victim.
So there's no, I mean, he didn't even get convicted of anything sexual abuse.
He played himself up as an old man in a wheelchair.
Time and time again, this seems to be the case with the levers of power.
Haster did do some time.
Yeah.
Not much, but he did do some time.
But not for the abuse, for covering up the abuse.
Here's the thing with Haster: Sabelle Edmonds, who was a window blower, the whistleblower for the FBI, said that they had come across a conversation that talked about Haster going to a house of ill repute in Chicago.
And he was from Chicago or south of Chicago.
And plus, he had predations going back about 40 years.
And when Mark Foley was hitting on those pages, Haster covered up for him.
And you had to do some time in rehab.
Oh, another one.
He didn't do any jail time.
And now he's trying to get back into politics.
Now, here's what's interesting.
And this is getting back to Rusty Nelson.
I asked Rusty, how does this work?
I mean, you know, give me kind of a thumbnail of this.
And he said, it's like you're on a yacht.
Once you're compromised, it's like you're on a yacht.
And you can have anything you want on the shot.
And it's a beautiful day.
And the ocean is perfect.
And you can have anything on the yacht that you want.
But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown.
So once you're compromised, there's really no incentive to get off the yacht.
Now, I don't know what happened with Dennis Haster.
I mean, he could have been busted when he was Speaker of the House, but he was a strongarm specialist.
I mean, he strong-armed a bunch of legislators into that bogus Iraq war that we waged.
So with Dennis Haster, for some reason, he decided to get off the boat.
I think it was his greed.
I think he was making a tremendous amount of money as a lobbyist.
And I think that he was probably told to back away from something.
And because he was Dennis Hastert and he'd been on the yacht for so long, I think that he just said, the hell with you.
And then that's what happened because basically that victim was blackmailing him.
Yes.
And it could have been very easy for those FBI agents to go to that victim and say, you know, if you don't stop blackmailing Dennis Hastert, we're going to put you in prison forever.
So they went after Haster.
And there's something there that we don't know.
But Haster did decide to get off the yacht for some reason.
And I have a tendency to think it was probably greed.
I'm really glad we talked about that because that is a super interesting perspective.
You know, we talked about the Franklin scandal.
I would be remiss if we don't talk about Epstein because that network seems to, again, overlap during the same exact time period during the 80s into the 90s.
And, you know, from the Maria Farmer testimony, we know that at least in 1996, the NYPD and the FBI were made aware of him.
Obviously, there seems to be all sorts of intelligence connections.
You know, in a case kind of like with the Finders, he has this Saudi Arabian passport with a separate address and identity on it as found in his safe.
So we know at least that much.
What are your thoughts on Epstein?
Is he kind of the other side of the network in the sense that the work that you've done and in the Franklin scandal, it seems to be young boys.
And in this network, it seems to be predominantly young girls.
Well, the Franklin scandal is Republicans molesting little boys, and the Epstein scandal is Democrats molesting little girls.
So that seems to be where our partisan divide is.
Epstein is basically a lot like the Franklin scandal.
I started to look into it.
I initially looked into Epstein in like 2010, but I didn't make my first sojourn to Florida until 2012.
And that's when I acquired his black book.
And I tried to sell an article on the black book.
I mean, I had his black book, and I couldn't find any mainstream outlets that would touch it.
And then finally, Gawker was willing to publish it.
And I wrote some articles.
And I also had flight receipts too, or passenger manifests.
And So, with Epstein, yes, and I initially thought that Epstein was a kinder, gentler pedophile network than the Franklin Network.
But just about everything that was going on in Franklin was happening with Epstein.
There was a lot of, I believe that there was a lot of choke pornography made in that network.
And some of those girls were served up to very sadistic pedophiles, very sadistic pedophiles.
And some of them are common names.
I mean, you would know some of these names, and they were sadist to these little girls.
I mean, these little, I mean, you know what?
Let's just take a moment because one of the most powerful parts, not only in your book, but in John DeCamp's book, is the graphic depiction of one of these events where child pornography is not only being filmed, but it ends up being snuff pornography.
And it apparently takes place after a night of dark abuse via the Bohemian Grove.
At least that's what's insinuated.
And it's all on film.
And I remember the first time I read that and how I had to put the book down for the very first time.
And that was the cover-up because it was so visceral in the way it was described.
And you'd already read horror after horror after horror.
And in that book, John DeCamp does name some of the names that are alleged to be part of it.
To your credit, and I think it was a smart move.
You said, hey, those names are out there.
Anybody can check out that work.
I'm going to stick to what's in the book.
And please check out the bibliography, which, again, folks, is one of the most impressive bibliographies out there.
I mean, the documentation that you have in this thing is tremendous.
When you are doing this type of thing and you know that's a part of it, how many times do you kind of have to take that moment that you kind of just had right there, get back and just, you know, be a human being for a second, accept that this is happening and like this is now kind of your mission in some sense, that you're the guy stopping Larry King from being around children.
You want to talk about sadistic, the things that he was alleged to do to children, tying them up, burning them with cigarettes as they're sexually abused.
It's repugnant.
I mean, how many times do you have to take that moment?
Definitely a pedophilic sadist.
Lawrence King.
It's, I've been in this nether world for 20, 21 years now.
And I, I mean, I've had to develop a thick skin because it wasn't the greatest career move I ever made.
One.
And these stories of the victims are very, very dark.
And I think that the average person would have cognitive dissonance listening to like the scene that I described near Bohemian Grove.
Some people get that far in the Franklin scandal and they can't go any further.
Some people get to the finders and they can't go any further.
And when I was pitching the Franklin scandal, I was talking to editors and I would look into their eyes as I was talking to them.
And I would see them kind of, you know, like, whoa, this is a hell of a story.
I'd see like them open their eyes.
But then the cognitive dissonance would set in.
And what the cognitive dissonance said was, this is really a horrific story.
And something has to be done.
We need to help Nick Bryant out so he can expose this.
Or Nick Bryant is crazy.
I don't have to do anything except and that was that particular type of cognitive dissonance has made it very difficult for me as a writer.
And there's editors that I know that I know that they know me and I know them, but they don't really.
I have a friend who worked at a very popular magazine.
And he was an editor and he used to submit my stories occasionally.
And then the last story I submitted, which is actually going to be part of a book that's coming out for me in July, August, his boss took him to lunch and said, no more Nick Bryan stories.
Donald's Compromising Silence 00:03:41
Well, then you know you're doing something right because you're challenging the power structure.
And you talked about compromise.
We now see more than ever, at least most people do, that the mainstream media is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the agenda at hand.
And really, I mean, when we're talking about sexual abuse scandals, it doesn't come any bigger than an in-your-face cover-up than what's happening with the Bidens right now, whether it be Hunter's numerous hard drives or the diary of Jill Biden or the behavior of Joe Biden.
These things are simply not discussed in the mainstream media.
And yet, through your work and others, it did penetrate the mass consciousness.
So I guess my question is to you, because I know that I was extremely disappointed and angered in the way that it was compromised via the QA nonsense movement and anonymous people on message boards and then a lot of extreme disinformation to discredit the already hard to swallow information that was real out there.
Talk about that because there was such a shift during that 2015 to 2016 period when the DNC emails came out and we had what is now known as Pizzagate explode.
And obviously there were certain aspects of that that deserved investigation and merit and other parts of that that just drove a fictional universe of the most extremes that weren't really happening.
I studied philosophy in college and I try to keep my mind open.
As Socrates said, I try to approach everything agnostically.
And especially when I get into this realm, because I've seen so much stuff that's true that is so mind-boggling.
I did some investigation on Pizzagate and I thought that I had a lead that really could have been helpful, but then that fizzled out and I'm still agnostic about it.
With QAnon, it really hurt people like me because it produced this mass hysteria of the Democrats are eating children and Hillary is a witch and all that stuff.
And Donald Trump is going to save the children.
Well, you know, Donald Trump really hasn't saved the children.
And actually, he was a very good friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
And if Donald Trump was going to save the children, a lot more people would have been indicted than just Epstein and Maxwell because there's a whole bunch of them out there and we know their names.
And Epstein would have survived.
Let's not forget that.
I mean, the absurdity that the man committed suicide twice when his lawyer came out after the first time and said that he had been strangled by Nicholas Tartiglione.
Currently, the Maxwell lawyers are saying that at least one inmate has said they've been offered to kill Maxwell.
I think they also, at the same time, are making the conditions there about as unbearable as possible because they would like these people to kill themselves.
But just with the evidence that was presented in the Maxwell case that were blacked out, for instance, they showed you pictures of binders.
They didn't even let you see what was on the end of the binder.
They showed you pictures of hard drives and burned CDs.
They didn't tell you the contents of any of those.
Waves Slapping Foot Silence 00:04:03
And as you said, if they were really serious about that, Epstein would have been just one small part of a much bigger picture and a much broader scandal.
The Epstein story is much, much bigger than Epstein.
And it's about compromise.
And that's how our government works.
A lot of politicians, people think that it's special interest money that corrupts our body politics, which it does.
I mean, there's no doubt about it.
But there's a lot of our politicians on the yacht, and there's no incentive for them to get off the yacht.
And one that always comes to mind with me is Larry Craig.
He was a very conservative senator from Idaho and a family values guy.
And he was in Washington, D.C. for 25 years, first as a representative and then as a senator.
And he had, I believe, the worst voting record on gay rights of any senator at that time.
And he gets caught in the bathroom scandal.
But here's the thing: he was getting male prostitutes from Henry Vincent, who I wrote the book with.
He was a good customer of Henry's.
And then he was getting male prostitutes from other places.
Tributy Dick made a outrage.
And he showed.
And then I'm from Minneapolis.
So I go to that bat.
You know, I'm in that airport quite a bit, fly back home to see my friends and family.
And for him to get picked up in a bathroom, I mean, it just shows how out of control his libido was.
And you can't tell me that that guy was not compromised.
He was in Washington, D.C. for 25 years, and he's picking guys up in bathrooms.
How can he not be compromised?
And all those guys go silently and gently into that good night.
They're not going to make any waves.
Haster isn't going to make any waves.
Craig isn't going to make any waves because they've been compromised.
And this is kind of an aside.
It's funny.
I was in that one of the men's bathrooms at the Minneapolis airport some years ago, and I was sitting on the commode, and somebody started slapping his foot in the stall next to mine.
And I guess that was what triggered Craig to interact.
And I'm not used to that type of nomenclature.
So I thought that the guy had a neurological disorder.
That is a great story.
He was slapping his foot.
He kept slapping his foot.
And I said, God, this poor guy, man, you know, I really, really, really feel bad for him.
We got about 10 minutes left.
I want to talk about Utah, okay?
Because again, the facts are sparse.
We have this eyewitness statement from many years ago in what may be an unrelated case, but you have somebody coming forward in David Levitt, who is a Utah county prosecutor and the brother, I believe, of the three-time governor of Utah, saying that he's one of the people being investigated.
You know, what is your thumbnail of this situation and what's going on?
Well, it's kind of interesting.
There was a lot of news about it, and then it just went dark.
I actually know someone who's in Utah investigating it right now.
And it's too soon to find out what's true and what's not.
And the media blackout thus far has been pretty intense.
The media just lit up in early June, but now it's very difficult to find any kind of information on it.
Mormon Church Secrets 00:04:35
So at this point, I just have to be agnostic and keep my mind open and see what's going to happen.
I mean, in Utah, in the Mormon church, I've heard that there's pockets of ritual abuse.
And we've seen some very strange things come out of the Mormon church over the last hundred years.
So it's difficult to know exactly what's going on there.
And it's kind of a wait and see.
So then I guess the way I want to wrap it up before I let everybody know where they can support you, get your books, I would encourage everybody, if you can still get this thing, hardcover, hard copy, again, one of the most powerful tools and well-written pieces out there.
A lot of this stuff seems to be fictionalized in the True Detective series.
In the first season, you have the ritualistic abuse.
You have the connections to powerful people within the church and the government.
In the second season, although it is not based in children or is heavy in the occult, there are allusions to the Bohemian Grove and being out in the forest and powerful men having sex with women prostitutes, again, involving the government.
And then, of course, the third season actually mentions the Franklin scandal by name.
So what are your thoughts on that series?
Well, I mean, it's, I think it's pretty obvious where the genesis of that is.
I called him up.
Nick, I can't even begin to pronounce it.
It starts with an L, but yes, I know what you're talking about.
Yes.
I won't even begin to bastardize his name, but I called him up.
I'm very good at getting unpublished phone numbers.
I can get just about anybody's unpublished phone number cell phones.
Just one of those knacks that won, after years of being an investigative journalist, one of those knacks.
I called him up and I said, you know, you should do something about the Franklin scandal.
I think that you might have borrowed a little bit from it.
And he was much more concerned about how I got his number than wanted to talk to you.
That's hilarious.
Well, you know what?
That shows.
That happens to me occasionally when I call people up.
They think that they're safe on their little cell phone, and then they get a call from Nick Bryan.
Actually, I was able to get a hold of Larry once.
Okay.
Lawrence E. King, and he told me he wasn't Lawrence E. King, and then he hung up.
So that was the extent of our contact thus far.
Nick Bryant, it has been a super pleasure.
I'm not going to wait over a decade to do this again.
Anytime you have some work or whatever, please send it my way.
I'd love to have you on about it.
Where can people find your books, support you, and what do you have coming up?
I've got a podcast going on.
It's called the Nick Bryan Podcast.
And you can support me.
I'm Padreon.
I've got a website, nickbryantnyc.com.
And I do blogging on the website.
And you can definitely order books on the website.
And yeah, I've got a Twitter account at NickBryant, double underspace.
So you can follow me on Twitter too.
All right.
Well, this has been awesome, man.
Again, don't be afraid to reach out.
And I hope to have you on soon in the near future, especially if we get some more information via Utah.
Absolutely.
Good to talk to you, Jason.
Great talking to you.
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