Hodgetwins analyze a Chicago subway confrontation where a 38-year-old white woman disputed CTA supervisor Martisa Lee's order to vacate a crime scene, alleging inappropriate touching while officers physically moved her. The discussion highlights conflicting accounts of whether she intentionally ignored warnings or misunderstood instructions, noting her subsequent lawsuit and media attention. Crucially, the hosts inject racialized commentary, asserting that "black women know everything" and applying negative stereotypes to the situation, ultimately questioning how race influences perceptions of authority and compliance in public safety incidents. [Automatically generated summary]
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Stabbing on the Red Line00:14:30
On February 4th, on a platform at the Jackson Van Buren Red Line L-Stop downtown, musician Michael Malinowski, known as Machete Mike for the way he shreds the guitar, was playing music when he was suddenly stabbed by this 38-year-old woman.
That's a white person.
Why would you play a guitar on the subway in Chicago?
Yeah.
Why would she get on the subway, period?
I mean, you're already white.
And you're going to get on there playing a guitar?
You just put a huge target on your back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Later said the guitar playing had given her a headache.
This 38-year-old woman, who later said the guitar playing had given her a headache.
He came back up with no shirt and approached me and told me that he was stabbed.
CTA supervisor Martisa Lee was there as the incident commander for the CTA.
Soon, the Chicago police were there, too.
No tape.
It wasn't deemed a crime scene.
Literally, I was there before the police.
That is the backdrop for the dispute that would follow, all captured on this police body cam footage.
Did you hear what she said?
The CTA worker?
She said it was in the crime scene.
He just told you he got stabbed in the eye.
You don't think it's a crime scene?
But here we go.
Here's the actual body cam.
Oh, they gotta go on the outside.
This is all a crime scene.
Yeah, he's grabbing after the victim.
Watch up.
Oh, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
Ma'am, come out here.
I'm talking.
Oh, yeah, you need to get out of the crime scene, ma'am.
Please get out of the crime.
I don't know what it is about.
I hate to make, well, I'm not going to say it.
But black women, they know everything.
That's their problem.
They think they know everything.
Yeah, this.
The crime scene.
That's what I'm telling you.
And you're touching me because you're in the crime scene.
And I mean, I'm touching.
You're not going to crime scene.
And I'm doing my job.
Do not touch me.
You're not doing this.
Do your job from right there.
Do not touch me.
You can do your job.
Don't touch me.
Don't go through the crime scene.
Don't touch me.
Don't go through the crime scene again.
Don't touch me.
Don't go through the crime scene.
Don't get a fairy scene.
He didn't have to touch you.
If you stayed out of the crime scene, he told you it's a crime scene.
You can't walk, so now he's texting you.
I'm starting to think she did that intentionally.
Because she, you know, a lot of people don't handle authority very well.
CD do things with an ulterior motive.
She intentionally walked through the middle of that crime scene.
And then she keeps repeating the same thing over and over.
And the white man, he just developed a great tactic to combat that.
Yeah.
When they repeat things, you repeat the same thing you just said over and over and over until you exhaust them.
Give them black fatigue.
It's time to do the crime scene.
He grabbed me.
Why?
Are you on the crime scene or something?
I'm walking stopping totally situation.
He grabbed me and pushed me off.
Maybe you were in the crime scene.
I'm not sure.
He grabbed me and pushed me.
Clearly, it could be seen too.
Okay.
Can't wait to.
You want me to ask him why?
I want you to.
But if he tells me that you are obstructing the crime scene, we're going to arrest you.
You're not going to arrest me.
Yes, we are.
That's the way it's going to go.
Her problem is she does not listen.
Yeah.
But I don't think it's that she don't listen, Keith.
She can't comprehend what they're telling her.
Totally two different things.
Yeah.
She's not listening.
Nope.
She can't comprehend English.
So, if I'm walking, I'm not on the blood.
Now, you're playing apples and oranges.
Okay, I'm going to ask him.
Are you the supervisor?
Yes, I am.
Is it worth it to you that serious for this?
Yes, because he pushed me.
He pushed you out of the crime scene.
Yes, almost took the blue tactail.
They pushed me too because I didn't know I was in the middle.
You're a guy.
I don't let no man allow me.
I don't care.
She said that's because you're a guy.
I don't let no man touch me.
You need to follow direction.
You don't have to worry about a man putting his hands on you.
Yeah.
It doesn't matter, but he pushed you.
He touched you.
Exactly.
So you're not supposed to touch me.
Can I touch you and grab you the way he grabbed me?
We can touch you to move you out of the crime scene.
Can I touch you and grab you the way he grabbed me?
Ma'am, we can touch you to move you out of a crime scene.
So I can touch you and move on.
No, you can't touch me.
We can touch you.
You're not a cop, lady.
You work for CTA, the subway system in Chicago.
Don't tell me you're a DEI hire without telling me you a DEI hire.
This is not your job.
This is our job.
Your job is to conduct a crime.
Exactly.
And I was talking to my manager to let them know.
Your job is to work with the trains.
This is now our crime scene.
If you're in the middle of it, we can move you out of the.
I'm not.
But I'm not your crime scene approach.
There's no complaint.
That's your complaint.
There's no complaint.
You're a man.
Yeah, we're going to have to.
I'm going to talk to him, man.
No, that's fine, but that's fine.
Whatever you said, that's fine.
Which one of you guys grabbed her?
And I took her from behind and I got in her outside.
You're absolutely right.
That's her foot.
That's her.
He just moved you out of the crime scene.
No, I didn't push you.
He's grabbed you and moved you out of the crime scene.
That's fine.
But anyway, you said you needed one for me.
Sorry.
You need something.
They need you to hold the tape.
They want you to say you're a supervisor.
You hold the tape.
You can hold the tape for it.
Well, you didn't hold the tape.
The tape off that camera.
You have to get that from control.
No, that's that's well they're asking her for help.
No, you got to get that from control.
You see them laughing?
Yeah, they pretty much paying this woman to do nothing.
Was she obstructing the crime scene?
Yes.
I told her she was on my body camera.
I told her she had to get out of the crime scene.
She kept walking.
I told her she had to get out of context.
Did she continue in our crime scene?
Walking away from the crime scene.
He's pushing.
I guess I wasn't walking fast enough for him.
No, I didn't.
He pushed me right over there.
It'll all be the same.
But guess what?
Well, it's all on camera and I'm done with it now.
I don't, I mean, are we done with this?
I mean, he's explaining what I'm saying.
No, I'm not done with it.
Y'all can be done with it.
You're not done with it?
Oh, I'm not.
Do you want to?
You know what's funny?
He's telling you, you're walking in the crime scene.
You continue to walk.
I'm on the phone.
You keep walking.
So he had to intentionally grab you and move you out of the crime scene.
Yeah.
Because you wasn't following direction.
Yeah.
She could laugh all she wants, but she cannot obstruct our crime scene.
Was she obstructing our crime scene?
She did not answer when I told her.
I said, Maybe we got to get out of the crime scene.
She didn't listen to her a second time.
That's not on the army.
He pushed me from behind.
We can look at my body camera.
We sure can.
Okay, arrest her.
Put your hands down your back.
Thank you.
Look at her face.
Thank you.
I'm walking in the crime scene.
I can put my radio back on myself and you snatch and stuff.
That is so.
So, why are we arresting her?
You said I was extrucking the crime scene.
She was walking through the crime scene.
I followed her.
I said, You got to go out of the crime scene, man.
You got to get out of the crime scene.
She's talking on the phone.
So you got to get her crime scene.
I took her arms like this from behind it and I guided her outside the crime scene.
She turned around and spoke to me and said, Don't put your hands on me.
I'm doing my job.
I said, Could you do your job out here?
She said, Don't she ever put your hands on me?
I said, You're in the crime scene.
It's all on my body camera or not.
Yeah, it sure is.
I mean, we weren't pushing from behind.
Did she continue in the crime scene?
After I moved her out after I put her out, no, but she wouldn't listen to me walking through.
She said it's straightforward.
Did you actually not hear the direction the first time?
No, because she only said I'm on the phone talking to my boss.
Exactly.
You are still instructing her to crime to.
Okay, so maybe she didn't hear directions first.
Oh, she heard.
Is it possible?
It's a possibility that maybe she didn't hear.
I mean, man, no, no, she was flexing on the cop.
Yeah.
She was flexing on the cop.
Oh, no, I could be here.
I don't care if there's a crime scene.
I'm doing my job.
She tried to flex on the cop in the back.
The problem with a lot of people, a lot of people don't, you know, follow authority very well or accept authority very well.
And they have authority and they don't know how to use their authority very well.
Yeah.
She's just incompetent.
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Did you hear him say to get out of the crime scene?
No, I did not, but he didn't.
He also pushed me, and that was a whole issue.
That's not an issue.
That is an issue.
That's not an issue.
Because he can grab you and move you out of the crime.
What I thought he was saying is she was directed several times.
This is not talking with my child.
And then he grabs her and removed her from the crime scene.
And she's upset about being grabbed, but she was in the crime scene.
But I thought this perhaps she didn't even go in and out of the crime scene.
But we were instructed to lock off the crime scene.
So we weren't getting information.
That's part of our policy.
You're handcuffed.
I'm just trying to do the full investigation.
You weren't trying to do lines.
He pushed me.
I'm doing it right now.
He can push you out.
He can't crime scene out well.
Yes, we can.
I didn't do nothing.
I know you didn't do anything.
I didn't do nothing.
Oh, those famous words.
I didn't do nothing.
I don't even supposed to be here.
I'm doing y'all a favor.
I did you like you get you getting paid.
I didn't do nothing.
What is wrong with this woman?
It's a misunderstanding.
Push up, please.
I'm asking you.
She don't get black after jail.
We'll take it up with their side and say, Lieutenant, boy, move on to it.
I've told her several times she couldn't go on the crime scene.
She held up her phone and said, I'm talking to my boss.
I moved her out of the crime scene, and she spun on me and got very aggressive, telling me, Don't you ever put your hands on me.
She's on the crime scene.
She kept saying it back and forth, back and forth.
See, she's crying.
She had the maturity level of a probably a prepubescent child.
Yeah.
And I tried to explain even I was entering it without knowledge, and he grabbed me to move me out of here.
So I didn't realize how big it was, but she is not trying to hear that.
She feels like we can't move her out of the crime scene, but we head to the camera.
You can't.
You can't push to direction.
Yes, he's not.
What part of that don't you understand?
You or anyone can be moved out of a crime scene.
Whatever.
Once I'm here, I can move out of the camera.
Okay, move him out.
Do what's gotta be.
Rules.
Do what you gotta do.
Does that make sense?
And I totally understand.
So it's a misunderstanding.
It's really not.
But she was being following instructions from the controls.
I mean, I think black women have these negative stereotypes, but it's based on behavior.
Right.
Like, she's fitting all the negative stereotypes of a black woman.
Still typical woman.
Black woman.
Over for me, it told you still.
Yeah, because what you do is not push me.
See?
She's never.
She's pleading with her.
We can take care of this another way.
Come on.
You're going to be on national TV.
I don't care.
You're going to jeopardize your job, my girl.
I didn't do nothing.
I didn't do nothing.
I mean, she was on the phone with our control center, and they were giving her instructions to block the screw, to block off the crime.
Small songs.
I mean, how do you do that?
What is it that you want?
Sounds like it was a misunderstanding.
It's possible.
We could go with that, but she didn't hear, and that's why they had to move her out of it, right?
So it wasn't going to be a disobedience.
Except that she held the phone and said, No, I'm doing my job.
So if you want me to get your handcuffs off, I'm going to say, Maybe she didn't hear the first person.
No, she heard you.
She didn't enter in after you moved her out of it, right?
Oh, then she became more argumentative.
Yeah, everything's on my body camera, so all right.
He's actually trying to help the black lady.
Yeah.
Sounds like the media is underway, so you want to get her.
This was a black, a white guy.
Those handcuffs are not coming off.
She's getting preferential treatment.
Yeah.
But what's crazy is she's suing.
Of course.
She'd have taken those handcuffs off.
She'd have taken to jail.
She'd have treated her just like everybody else.
Yeah, she's actually.
Hold on.
Real quick.
Are we letting people walk outside?
No, they got to go on the outside.
This is all a crime scene.
She's on the phone.
Yeah, he's coming after the victim.
Watch out.
Oh, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
Ma'am, come out here.
I gotta say, oh, yeah, you need to get out of the crime scene, ma'am.
Please get out of the crime scene.
That's what I'm telling you.
And you're touching me because you're in the crime scene.