Hodgetwins - Black Woman Challenges Cop’s Authority Watch What Happens Next 🤯
Aired: 2025-11-10
Duration: 14:30


=== Stabbing on the Red Line (14:30) ===

[00:00:00]  On February 4th, on a platform at the Jackson Van Buren Red Line L-Stop downtown, musician Michael Malinowski, known as Machete Mike for the way he shreds the guitar, was playing music when he was suddenly stabbed by this 38-year-old woman.
[00:00:17]  That's a white person.
[00:00:18]  Why would you play a guitar on the subway in Chicago?
[00:00:22]  Yeah.
[00:00:22]  Why would she get on the subway, period?
[00:00:26]  I mean, you're already white.
[00:00:27]  And you're going to get on there playing a guitar?
[00:00:29]  You just put a huge target on your back.
[00:00:32]  Yeah.
[00:00:32]  Yeah.
[00:00:33]  Later said the guitar playing had given her a headache.
[00:00:36]  This 38-year-old woman, who later said the guitar playing had given her a headache.
[00:00:42]  He came back up with no shirt and approached me and told me that he was stabbed.
[00:00:46]  CTA supervisor Martisa Lee was there as the incident commander for the CTA.
[00:00:51]  Soon, the Chicago police were there, too.
[00:00:54]  No tape.
[00:00:54]  It wasn't deemed a crime scene.
[00:00:56]  Literally, I was there before the police.
[00:00:59]  That is the backdrop for the dispute that would follow, all captured on this police body cam footage.
[00:01:06]  Did you hear what she said?
[00:01:07]  The CTA worker?
[00:01:08]  She said it was in the crime scene.
[00:01:09]  He just told you he got stabbed in the eye.
[00:01:11]  You don't think it's a crime scene?
[00:01:13]  But here we go.
[00:01:13]  Here's the actual body cam.
[00:01:23]  Oh, they gotta go on the outside.
[00:01:24]  This is all a crime scene.
[00:01:30]  Yeah, he's grabbing after the victim.
[00:01:33]  Watch up.
[00:01:33]  Oh, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
[00:01:35]  Ma'am, come out here.
[00:01:36]  I'm talking.
[00:01:37]  Oh, yeah, you need to get out of the crime scene, ma'am.
[00:01:41]  Please get out of the crime.
[00:01:42]  I don't know what it is about.
[00:01:44]  I hate to make, well, I'm not going to say it.
[00:01:46]  But black women, they know everything.
[00:01:50]  That's their problem.
[00:01:51]  They think they know everything.
[00:01:53]  Yeah, this.
[00:01:54]  The crime scene.
[00:01:54]  That's what I'm telling you.
[00:01:55]  And you're touching me because you're in the crime scene.
[00:01:57]  And I mean, I'm touching.
[00:01:59]  You're not going to crime scene.
[00:02:00]  And I'm doing my job.
[00:02:01]  Do not touch me.
[00:02:02]  You're not doing this.
[00:02:03]  Do your job from right there.
[00:02:04]  Do not touch me.
[00:02:05]  You can do your job.
[00:02:06]  Don't touch me.
[00:02:06]  Don't go through the crime scene.
[00:02:07]  Don't touch me.
[00:02:08]  Don't go through the crime scene again.
[00:02:09]  Don't touch me.
[00:02:10]  Don't go through the crime scene.
[00:02:11]  Don't get a fairy scene.
[00:02:14]  He didn't have to touch you.
[00:02:15]  If you stayed out of the crime scene, he told you it's a crime scene.
[00:02:17]  You can't walk, so now he's texting you.
[00:02:19]  I'm starting to think she did that intentionally.
[00:02:21]  Because she, you know, a lot of people don't handle authority very well.
[00:02:26]  CD do things with an ulterior motive.
[00:02:29]  She intentionally walked through the middle of that crime scene.
[00:02:31]  And then she keeps repeating the same thing over and over.
[00:02:34]  And the white man, he just developed a great tactic to combat that.
[00:02:38]  Yeah.
[00:02:38]  When they repeat things, you repeat the same thing you just said over and over and over until you exhaust them.
[00:02:45]  Give them black fatigue.
[00:02:49]  It's time to do the crime scene.
[00:03:02]  He grabbed me.
[00:03:04]  Why?
[00:03:05]  Are you on the crime scene or something?
[00:03:07]  I'm walking stopping totally situation.
[00:03:09]  He grabbed me and pushed me off.
[00:03:11]  Maybe you were in the crime scene.
[00:03:13]  I'm not sure.
[00:03:17]  He grabbed me and pushed me.
[00:03:19]  Clearly, it could be seen too.
[00:03:21]  Okay.
[00:03:22]  Can't wait to.
[00:03:25]  You want me to ask him why?
[00:03:26]  I want you to.
[00:03:29]  But if he tells me that you are obstructing the crime scene, we're going to arrest you.
[00:03:33]  You're not going to arrest me.
[00:03:34]  Yes, we are.
[00:03:37]  That's the way it's going to go.
[00:03:45]  Her problem is she does not listen.
[00:03:47]  Yeah.
[00:03:48]  But I don't think it's that she don't listen, Keith.
[00:03:51]  She can't comprehend what they're telling her.
[00:03:54]  Totally two different things.
[00:03:56]  Yeah.
[00:03:56]  She's not listening.
[00:03:57]  Nope.
[00:03:57]  She can't comprehend English.
[00:04:00]  So, if I'm walking, I'm not on the blood.
[00:04:02]  Now, you're playing apples and oranges.
[00:04:06]  Okay, I'm going to ask him.
[00:04:08]  Are you the supervisor?
[00:04:09]  Yes, I am.
[00:04:09]  Is it worth it to you that serious for this?
[00:04:12]  Yes, because he pushed me.
[00:04:14]  He pushed you out of the crime scene.
[00:04:16]  Yes, almost took the blue tactail.
[00:04:18]  They pushed me too because I didn't know I was in the middle.
[00:04:20]  You're a guy.
[00:04:21]  I don't let no man allow me.
[00:04:23]  I don't care.
[00:04:24]  She said that's because you're a guy.
[00:04:25]  I don't let no man touch me.
[00:04:27]  You need to follow direction.
[00:04:28]  You don't have to worry about a man putting his hands on you.
[00:04:30]  Yeah.
[00:04:32]  It doesn't matter, but he pushed you.
[00:04:33]  He touched you.
[00:04:34]  Exactly.
[00:04:35]  So you're not supposed to touch me.
[00:04:37]  Can I touch you and grab you the way he grabbed me?
[00:04:39]  We can touch you to move you out of the crime scene.
[00:04:40]  Can I touch you and grab you the way he grabbed me?
[00:04:42]  Ma'am, we can touch you to move you out of a crime scene.
[00:04:46]  So I can touch you and move on.
[00:04:47]  No, you can't touch me.
[00:04:48]  We can touch you.
[00:04:49]  You're not a cop, lady.
[00:04:50]  You work for CTA, the subway system in Chicago.
[00:04:53]  Don't tell me you're a DEI hire without telling me you a DEI hire.
[00:04:59]  This is not your job.
[00:05:00]  This is our job.
[00:05:02]  Your job is to conduct a crime.
[00:05:03]  Exactly.
[00:05:04]  And I was talking to my manager to let them know.
[00:05:06]  Your job is to work with the trains.
[00:05:09]  This is now our crime scene.
[00:05:10]  If you're in the middle of it, we can move you out of the.
[00:05:13]  I'm not.
[00:05:14]  But I'm not your crime scene approach.
[00:05:17]  There's no complaint.
[00:05:18]  That's your complaint.
[00:05:18]  There's no complaint.
[00:05:20]  You're a man.
[00:05:22]  Yeah, we're going to have to.
[00:05:23]  I'm going to talk to him, man.
[00:05:24]  No, that's fine, but that's fine.
[00:05:26]  Whatever you said, that's fine.
[00:05:28]  Which one of you guys grabbed her?
[00:05:35]  And I took her from behind and I got in her outside.
[00:05:40]  You're absolutely right.
[00:05:41]  That's her foot.
[00:05:42]  That's her.
[00:05:43]  He just moved you out of the crime scene.
[00:05:46]  No, I didn't push you.
[00:05:47]  He's grabbed you and moved you out of the crime scene.
[00:05:48]  That's fine.
[00:05:49]  But anyway, you said you needed one for me.
[00:05:51]  Sorry.
[00:05:52]  You need something.
[00:05:53]  They need you to hold the tape.
[00:05:54]  They want you to say you're a supervisor.
[00:05:56]  You hold the tape.
[00:05:57]  You can hold the tape for it.
[00:05:58]  Well, you didn't hold the tape.
[00:06:00]  The tape off that camera.
[00:06:01]  You have to get that from control.
[00:06:03]  No, that's that's well they're asking her for help.
[00:06:05]  No, you got to get that from control.
[00:06:11]  You see them laughing?
[00:06:12]  Yeah, they pretty much paying this woman to do nothing.
[00:06:17]  Was she obstructing the crime scene?
[00:06:19]  Yes.
[00:06:20]  I told her she was on my body camera.
[00:06:22]  I told her she had to get out of the crime scene.
[00:06:24]  She kept walking.
[00:06:24]  I told her she had to get out of context.
[00:06:26]  Did she continue in our crime scene?
[00:06:27]  Walking away from the crime scene.
[00:06:29]  He's pushing.
[00:06:30]  I guess I wasn't walking fast enough for him.
[00:06:32]  No, I didn't.
[00:06:33]  He pushed me right over there.
[00:06:34]  It'll all be the same.
[00:06:36]  But guess what?
[00:06:37]  Well, it's all on camera and I'm done with it now.
[00:06:40]  I don't, I mean, are we done with this?
[00:06:42]  I mean, he's explaining what I'm saying.
[00:06:43]  No, I'm not done with it.
[00:06:44]  Y'all can be done with it.
[00:06:45]  You're not done with it?
[00:06:46]  Oh, I'm not.
[00:06:48]  Do you want to?
[00:06:49]  You know what's funny?
[00:06:50]  He's telling you, you're walking in the crime scene.
[00:06:52]  You continue to walk.
[00:06:53]  I'm on the phone.
[00:06:54]  You keep walking.
[00:06:55]  So he had to intentionally grab you and move you out of the crime scene.
[00:06:59]  Yeah.
[00:07:00]  Because you wasn't following direction.
[00:07:02]  Yeah.
[00:07:06]  She could laugh all she wants, but she cannot obstruct our crime scene.
[00:07:12]  Was she obstructing our crime scene?
[00:07:14]  She did not answer when I told her.
[00:07:15]  I said, Maybe we got to get out of the crime scene.
[00:07:17]  She didn't listen to her a second time.
[00:07:18]  That's not on the army.
[00:07:22]  He pushed me from behind.
[00:07:24]  We can look at my body camera.
[00:07:25]  We sure can.
[00:07:26]  Okay, arrest her.
[00:07:28]  Put your hands down your back.
[00:07:30]  Thank you.
[00:07:31]  Look at her face.
[00:07:32]  Thank you.
[00:07:33]  I'm walking in the crime scene.
[00:07:35]  I can put my radio back on myself and you snatch and stuff.
[00:07:39]  That is so.
[00:07:42]  So, why are we arresting her?
[00:07:44]  You said I was extrucking the crime scene.
[00:07:48]  She was walking through the crime scene.
[00:07:49]  I followed her.
[00:07:50]  I said, You got to go out of the crime scene, man.
[00:07:51]  You got to get out of the crime scene.
[00:07:52]  She's talking on the phone.
[00:07:53]  So you got to get her crime scene.
[00:07:55]  I took her arms like this from behind it and I guided her outside the crime scene.
[00:07:58]  She turned around and spoke to me and said, Don't put your hands on me.
[00:08:00]  I'm doing my job.
[00:08:01]  I said, Could you do your job out here?
[00:08:02]  She said, Don't she ever put your hands on me?
[00:08:04]  I said, You're in the crime scene.
[00:08:06]  It's all on my body camera or not.
[00:08:08]  Yeah, it sure is.
[00:08:08]  I mean, we weren't pushing from behind.
[00:08:10]  Did she continue in the crime scene?
[00:08:11]  After I moved her out after I put her out, no, but she wouldn't listen to me walking through.
[00:08:16]  She said it's straightforward.
[00:08:18]  Did you actually not hear the direction the first time?
[00:08:20]  No, because she only said I'm on the phone talking to my boss.
[00:08:23]  Exactly.
[00:08:23]  You are still instructing her to crime to.
[00:08:26]  Okay, so maybe she didn't hear directions first.
[00:08:28]  Oh, she heard.
[00:08:29]  Is it possible?
[00:08:30]  It's a possibility that maybe she didn't hear.
[00:08:32]  I mean, man, no, no, she was flexing on the cop.
[00:08:36]  Yeah.
[00:08:37]  She was flexing on the cop.
[00:08:38]  Oh, no, I could be here.
[00:08:40]  I don't care if there's a crime scene.
[00:08:41]  I'm doing my job.
[00:08:42]  She tried to flex on the cop in the back.
[00:08:44]  The problem with a lot of people, a lot of people don't, you know, follow authority very well or accept authority very well.
[00:08:50]  And they have authority and they don't know how to use their authority very well.
[00:08:54]  Yeah.
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[00:09:14]  Did you hear him say to get out of the crime scene?
[00:09:16]  No, I did not, but he didn't.
[00:09:17]  He also pushed me, and that was a whole issue.
[00:09:20]  That's not an issue.
[00:09:21]  That is an issue.
[00:09:22]  That's not an issue.
[00:09:23]  Because he can grab you and move you out of the crime.
[00:09:32]  What I thought he was saying is she was directed several times.
[00:09:34]  This is not talking with my child.
[00:09:38]  And then he grabs her and removed her from the crime scene.
[00:09:41]  And she's upset about being grabbed, but she was in the crime scene.
[00:09:45]  But I thought this perhaps she didn't even go in and out of the crime scene.
[00:09:50]  But we were instructed to lock off the crime scene.
[00:09:53]  So we weren't getting information.
[00:09:55]  That's part of our policy.
[00:09:56]  You're handcuffed.
[00:09:58]  I'm just trying to do the full investigation.
[00:10:00]  You weren't trying to do lines.
[00:10:02]  He pushed me.
[00:10:02]  I'm doing it right now.
[00:10:03]  He can push you out.
[00:10:04]  He can't crime scene out well.
[00:10:09]  Yes, we can.
[00:10:18]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:10:19]  I know you didn't do anything.
[00:10:20]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:10:21]  Oh, those famous words.
[00:10:24]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:10:25]  I don't even supposed to be here.
[00:10:26]  I'm doing y'all a favor.
[00:10:28]  I did you like you get you getting paid.
[00:10:30]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:10:32]  What is wrong with this woman?
[00:10:36]  It's a misunderstanding.
[00:10:38]  Push up, please.
[00:10:39]  I'm asking you.
[00:10:44]  She don't get black after jail.
[00:10:46]  We'll take it up with their side and say, Lieutenant, boy, move on to it.
[00:10:52]  I've told her several times she couldn't go on the crime scene.
[00:10:55]  She held up her phone and said, I'm talking to my boss.
[00:10:57]  I moved her out of the crime scene, and she spun on me and got very aggressive, telling me, Don't you ever put your hands on me.
[00:11:04]  She's on the crime scene.
[00:11:05]  She kept saying it back and forth, back and forth.
[00:11:07]  See, she's crying.
[00:11:08]  She had the maturity level of a probably a prepubescent child.
[00:11:11]  Yeah.
[00:11:12]  And I tried to explain even I was entering it without knowledge, and he grabbed me to move me out of here.
[00:11:17]  So I didn't realize how big it was, but she is not trying to hear that.
[00:11:20]  She feels like we can't move her out of the crime scene, but we head to the camera.
[00:11:24]  You can't.
[00:11:25]  You can't push to direction.
[00:11:27]  Yes, he's not.
[00:11:29]  What part of that don't you understand?
[00:11:32]  You or anyone can be moved out of a crime scene.
[00:11:34]  Whatever.
[00:11:35]  Once I'm here, I can move out of the camera.
[00:11:37]  Okay, move him out.
[00:11:37]  Do what's gotta be.
[00:11:39]  Rules.
[00:11:40]  Do what you gotta do.
[00:11:41]  Does that make sense?
[00:11:41]  And I totally understand.
[00:11:43]  So it's a misunderstanding.
[00:11:44]  It's really not.
[00:11:45]  But she was being following instructions from the controls.
[00:11:49]  I mean, I think black women have these negative stereotypes, but it's based on behavior.
[00:11:56]  Right.
[00:11:57]  Like, she's fitting all the negative stereotypes of a black woman.
[00:12:00]  Still typical woman.
[00:12:01]  Black woman.
[00:12:02]  Over for me, it told you still.
[00:12:03]  Yeah, because what you do is not push me.
[00:12:05]  See?
[00:12:06]  She's never.
[00:12:09]  She's pleading with her.
[00:12:11]  We can take care of this another way.
[00:12:12]  Come on.
[00:12:13]  You're going to be on national TV.
[00:12:15]  I don't care.
[00:12:16]  You're going to jeopardize your job, my girl.
[00:12:18]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:12:22]  I didn't do nothing.
[00:12:24]  I mean, she was on the phone with our control center, and they were giving her instructions to block the screw, to block off the crime.
[00:12:29]  Small songs.
[00:12:30]  I mean, how do you do that?
[00:12:31]  What is it that you want?
[00:12:32]  Sounds like it was a misunderstanding.
[00:12:34]  It's possible.
[00:12:36]  We could go with that, but she didn't hear, and that's why they had to move her out of it, right?
[00:12:40]  So it wasn't going to be a disobedience.
[00:12:41]  Except that she held the phone and said, No, I'm doing my job.
[00:12:43]  So if you want me to get your handcuffs off, I'm going to say, Maybe she didn't hear the first person.
[00:12:47]  No, she heard you.
[00:12:48]  She didn't enter in after you moved her out of it, right?
[00:12:52]  Oh, then she became more argumentative.
[00:12:57]  Yeah, everything's on my body camera, so all right.
[00:13:01]  He's actually trying to help the black lady.
[00:13:04]  Yeah.
[00:13:05]  Sounds like the media is underway, so you want to get her.
[00:13:19]  This was a black, a white guy.
[00:13:21]  Those handcuffs are not coming off.
[00:13:22]  She's getting preferential treatment.
[00:13:24]  Yeah.
[00:13:29]  But what's crazy is she's suing.
[00:13:33]  Of course.
[00:13:35]  She'd have taken those handcuffs off.
[00:13:37]  She'd have taken to jail.
[00:13:38]  She'd have treated her just like everybody else.
[00:13:40]  Yeah, she's actually.
[00:13:42]  Hold on.
[00:13:43]  Real quick.
[00:13:45]  Are we letting people walk outside?
[00:13:47]  No, they got to go on the outside.
[00:13:48]  This is all a crime scene.
[00:13:50]  She's on the phone.
[00:13:54]  Yeah, he's coming after the victim.
[00:13:56]  Watch out.
[00:13:57]  Oh, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
[00:13:58]  Ma'am, come out here.
[00:14:00]  I gotta say, oh, yeah, you need to get out of the crime scene, ma'am.
[00:14:04]  Please get out of the crime scene.
[00:14:06]  That's what I'm telling you.
[00:14:07]  And you're touching me because you're in the crime scene.
[00:14:09]  And I'm asking because I'm going to crime scene.
[00:14:14]  Exactly.
[00:14:14]  She was in the wrong.
[00:14:16]  Yeah.
[00:14:16]  He tried.
[00:14:17]  He was very cordial, very polite.
[00:14:20]  She snapped on him for being a nice man.
[00:14:22]  Yeah.
[00:14:23]  Now she's suing the department.
[00:14:25]  Yeah.
[00:14:25]  Because she has an attitude problem.
[00:14:27]  Yeah.
[00:14:28]  because she was discriminated