Andrew Tate's legal troubles center on human trafficking allegations regarding his webcam business, where a defense attorney argues that managing women as "assets" and withholding phone numbers lacks the coercion required for criminal conviction. While hosts debate whether these tactics constitute tax fraud or standard business control, they contrast Tate's alleged misogyny with Jeffrey Epstein's crimes and question the ethics of the lawyer's public attacks before trial. Ultimately, the episode highlights the complex legal distinction between managing adult workers and actual trafficking, leaving the validity of Brittany Tate's defense uncertain amidst ongoing scrutiny. [Automatically generated summary]
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Andrew Tate's Control Element00:14:28
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All right, so Andrew Tate, he's in trouble.
Y'all probably, y'all already aware of that.
Right, so I was just doing research on what was going on with him.
I seen a video from his girl.
His ex-girlfriend came out to defend him.
You got that video?
Yeah, I got that video.
Just play the video, then I'm going to show that later.
We'll show it later.
I'm going to show this video.
This video I came across is a defense attorney.
And he's found this old video.
Andrew Tate talked about his webcam.
Yeah, I thought he made a lot of his money boxing, tickboxing.
But I don't think he made it much.
I thought he made a lot of his money through.
He's a pimp.
That's how he made his money.
It seems like it.
This is what, because he's been doing his webcams with girls.
But pimping webcam girls, that's not illegal.
I mean, I would say pimping.
I'm using hyperbole.
Yeah, he's.
Let's go with manager.
He was the manager.
He's the manager.
The CEO, chief executive officer.
Andrew Tate webcams.
Hey, man, man, you ought to start a webcam business.
You're doing this shit.
Yeah, man.
Get some girls, man.
Pay him a good salary.
Give him health benefits.
I'm not doing that.
You know why I won't do it?
Why?
Because I respect women.
Wait a minute.
I ain't going to start your webcam and some girl taking the shield, jamming it up in her, and sucking and doing all that.
Hey, calm down.
Calm down.
No, calm down.
I don't want to be part of that.
No, it's not being disrespectful if that's what they truly love doing.
You giving them benefits, a roof over their head.
You're giving them structure.
Most women that do that, they've been...
No, there's some sweet girls.
No girl grows up and says, you know what?
I want to be a webcam star.
There's a lot of them on OnlyFans.
What are you talking about?
They make way more money than us.
That's not webcams.
It's webcams.
It's just pre-recorded.
Same shit.
All right, so, but this...
It just gets stage fright.
No, he going live.
I do.
I'll go over and record it.
Upload it.
Ain't going to lie.
So this defense attorney, he's did several videos on Tate.
Yeah, he's the defense attorney.
Yeah.
He's an expert.
I think he's biased because he doesn't like him.
Yeah, he's totally biased.
Yeah, he's totally biased.
He said he wasn't for a defense attorney.
When watching that video, he wasn't very objective.
Well, he was subjective.
No, he wasn't.
A defense attorney.
No, no, let me finish.
Let me finish what I'm going to say.
Stop cutting me off.
Have some respect.
If I'm a defense attorney, okay?
If I'm a defense attorney, if I'm going to do a video about another video, I'm going to give the client several defenses, even though I'm not representing him.
This is what I would say.
This is what I would do.
He's a horrible defense attorney.
Well, he's not his defense attorney.
He's just speaking from a defense attorney point of view.
Yeah, but he didn't give any defenses.
Which means he sucks as a defense attorney.
He doesn't suck as a defense attorney.
Did he give any defenses?
Did he give any tactics that he could use to get off?
No, well, how can he?
It's all on video.
Okay, something show you.
No, no, no, no.
He's a defense attorney.
He's supposed to be an expert.
What are you talking about?
He's a defense attorney.
He does this shit for a living.
But he didn't give no defense.
Hey, you need to calm down.
I bet all his clients in jail.
Every last one of them, locked up doing life.
All right, Kevin, calm down.
No, seriously, calm down.
No, I'm just pointing out the office.
I get that.
I'm pointing at the office.
He's not much of a defense attorney.
Kevin, what I saw.
Kicking me out of the damn shot.
Hey, Kevin, look, calm down.
Am I spitting facts or opinions?
I don't give a shit.
I'm spitting facts over here.
That's fine.
I'm keeping it 100.
Man, you know what?
Fuck this video.
Fuck it, I give up.
Hey, Keith, cover up your stomach.
No, man.
Kevin, do it.
Hey, Keith.
It's like your heart's beating through each other.
No.
Calm down.
Seriously, you need to calm down.
I'm calm.
All right, I'm going to show this video of this defense attorney.
Right?
He's found some old video of Angu Tate talking about his damn webcam business.
All right, check it out.
Are his words?
Not my words.
And I'm not going to take it out of context.
You're effectively taking girls, teaching them how to make unlimited money from home, and then making sure they give all to you.
So you're making sure.
He's going to go into this little spill, but...
Yeah, let me give his little defense.
I mean, his defense explanation, what he said.
Well, he didn't say much right there, did he?
Yeah, let me say something.
Go ahead and do some talking.
So, okay, he says he's going to start his webcam business.
The goal is to get a bunch of girls, make a whole lot of money, and all of it comes to you.
It's going to be his damn business.
His business, his merchant processor.
So, of course, all the money is going to come to him.
The money's not going to go to her.
And then she, like, pay him off.
It's his business.
Yeah, he's going to pay her a hard.
He's going to pay a salary.
Yeah.
So, I mean, it sounds horrible what he said when you talk about girls doing sexual acts, but that's how business run.
That's how the NBAs ran.
All the money goes to the owner.
It don't go to the players.
It goes to the owner.
And then the owner pays the players a salary.
So that's perfectly legal.
That's perfectly legal if you're running a business.
Now, I'm not really speaking to the human trafficking.
I don't know how he got them there.
I don't know.
I don't know if they coerced or he dragged them or anything.
Yeah, I don't know about that.
To my understanding, if they come under their own free will, they're telling to do that, then it's not against the law.
Being finished doing some talking.
Webcams is not illegal.
It's not considered prostitution.
It's a legal business.
Yeah.
I thought you was going to add something to this.
I just did.
Shut up.
Now, he said something.
It sounded, I mean, what he said sounded horrible, but if you got to think of it, when you're talking about a webcam business, why would a female go work for somebody else when she can do it all on her own in the friendly confines of her own house?
That's what he was alluding to.
It's very hard to convince a woman to go work for a webcam business instead of working just for herself.
Are his words?
Not my words.
And I'm not going to take it out of context.
You're effectively taking girls, teaching them how to make unlimited money from home, and then making sure they give all to you.
So you're making sure that you're teaching girls how to make a shit ton of money.
Right off the bat, he tells you his main goal is to have them work for him and him get all the money.
And I realized I had about five girlfriends, all smoking haul.
And females are an asset.
And why don't you work for me so we spend more time together?
We're a few doing what?
So I'll have a webcam business.
Oh, I don't want to do that.
It's okay.
I know you don't want to do that.
But listen, come, let's have a meeting.
Let's just talk about it.
If you don't want to do it, don't do it.
Fine.
But let me explain it to you properly.
In fact, I'll bring one of the girls who works for me.
You, your baltin bitch, the new girl.
You go out for fucking a nice dinner.
Your baltin bitch is the one who does the selling.
You don't do the selling.
The girl has to hear from a girl.
And this is where your bottom bitch has to be trained.
That's why I said it's so important to have a good first girl.
Yeah.
Then he goes into Jelene Maxwell.
That's what she did for Epstein.
Yeah, but why would he say that?
He's a defense attorney.
Huh?
Why would he bring her up?
What Maxwell did, that was illegal.
That's human trafficking.
Jelene Maxwell did, right?
Yeah, yeah.
He's just going on.
Yeah, it makes perfect sense.
But he's conflating two issues.
You got Jelene Maxwell trafficking unaged girls, and then you got a female trying to recruit webcam girls are totally two different things.
Totally two different things.
Am I right or wrong?
You don't see that she's acting in Gisalene Maxwell's situation?
Yeah, but it doesn't make it illegal.
It's webcams.
He's recruiting, not unaged girls.
He's recruiting adult females.
I get that, but she's operating like Gislane Maxwell.
Yeah.
He knows women going to listen to other women.
They're not going to listen to a guy.
Yeah.
Train.
And he said, train your bottom bitch to be do all the time.
Yeah, it's pimp talk.
But we're talking about webcam girls.
We're not talking about prostitutes.
I get that.
Yeah.
We're talking about webcams.
But you don't see the deceit and all that?
Yeah.
It's very deceitful.
So why the fuck are you defending them?
I'm not defending anything.
I haven't heard a crime yet.
Have you?
No, not up to this point.
No.
So why are you getting all angry with me?
It looks all.
I'm not getting angry.
It's just like, oh, sure, there's some deceit there.
Yeah, of course there is.
But I'm not saying, I'm not saying what he's doing.
What I'm saying is what he's doing is not illegal.
What Jelene Matt, what's her name?
Gislane or something.
Jislaine Maxwell.
What she did was totally illegal.
She recruited underage girls to go to a house and it was, you know, coerced to have sex with an older man.
That's illegal.
It's human trafficking.
It's coercion.
It's all the above, right?
But he's conflating what she did with webcams.
Even though there's similarities, it doesn't make it the same thing.
They're totally two different scenarios, totally two different situations.
He's muddying the waters.
Okay, let's keep playing.
That was the girl that recruited for Jeffrey Epstein.
Almost identical to what he's talking about here.
I had a separate phone with all my girls' guys in that phone, and I kept control of it.
Don't let your girl have this because if your girl ever runs off and leaves you, you don't want her to have an address book of all the guys she can get money from.
Another aspect of control.
You don't want her to have your client list because if she has your client list, she can leave you.
So you got to restrict her information.
It's a systematic method of control to control these women.
Yeah, I mean, but it's his business.
It's his clients.
All businesses do that.
Like, I still think this is just a, I don't like this, his professional, how he treats women, but it's totally, you find this in all businesses.
The business owner controls the client list.
They do that in all businesses.
And a lot of times, as an employee, webcams is not illegal.
Can I do some talking?
Yeah, go ahead.
And as far as if I'm running a business and I got a huge clientele base and I hired somebody to help run my business, I'm going to have that employee sign a non-what's it called?
A non-compete, which means you can't take my clients and do the exact same thing on your own.
Right.
That's not illegal.
Now, I'm not speaking how he got them there.
I have no idea how he got those women in there.
Right.
If they were forced there and coerced to do that, yeah, this is a moot point.
Yeah.
But as far as what he said in this video, that is not illegal.
It's deplorable, but it's not illegal.
And he referred to women as assets, right?
He refers to women's assets.
I mean, it's misogynistic to say a woman is an asset, but let's keep it 100.
Let's keep it real.
I mean, in the webcam business, they are assets.
And you look at the NBA football players, the NFL.
Those NFL players are the asset of that business.
Without that asset, without the humans performing the thing that you don't have for NFL, you don't have NFA in the NBA.
So if he referred to women as an asset, I mean, is it undermining women?
Yeah, but they are assets, you know?
Yeah.
In the sense of the word.
Yeah.
Assets is not just like my microphone, this coffee bag, this table.
I'm an asset.
Keeps an asset to my business.
We're both assets.
Everybody's an asset to a certain degree, you know?
Yeah.
I haven't heard a crime yet.
I heard some misogyny.
I think you're about to hear one.
I heard some misogyny.
Some misogyny.
You're about to hear the crime right now.
All right.
I heard a leave and go low.
I don't know the account.
I don't have the passwords to the account.
I've never set it up before.
I don't know how the banking works.
I don't have any of my guys' phone numbers.
I have nothing.
And that's why they don't want to leave.
Because they're like, oh, well, he has everything.
I need him.
I have to stay with him.
He has everything.
It's important.
Telling you, it's a very important element, that control.
It's a very important element, that control.
And they will leave because you don't have every aspect under control.
Tax is also another important element for controlling your woman.
You're not going to pay anybody tax because you're getting paid in Bitcoin.
You need to tell your girl that you're paying the tax because girls are lazy and girls are stupid and girls don't understand how taxes work.
And you're like, oh, okay, yeah, we've made this much money, but I'm going to pay the tax to make sure we don't get trouble.
Now, that allows you to do two things.
One, it's another control element.
See how that control is a recurring theme over and over and over again.
If I do it alone, I have to deal with taxes.
Taxes are complicated.
The control element.
And he doesn't have respect for these women at all because he thinks they're stupid.
It allows you to pay her a smaller percent.
Well, I used to pay my girls 30%.
So for every $10,000 they made, I give them three and I keep seven.
They thought they were on 50%.
And I said that the disparity is because of taxes.
If they say, why is it 50-50?
I'm the one who knows what he's doing.
I'm the one with the knowledge.
I'm the da-da-da-da-da-da.
Shut the fuck up.
Go online.
Print out some tax forms.
I see this all the time.
I used to print out some random tax forms.
Say, sign here.
I signed this.
What is it?
It's for the tax.
You want to pay the tax at all?
Throw them away afterwards.
But they think something's happening.
Something real is happening.
Nothing's happening except me to get my HPH.
Nothing's happening.
Now, before we get to the tax part, he said it was a whole control thing.
I mean, like I said, it's a webcam business.
How can you coerce a woman to work for your business when she can do it all alone?
I mean, there is a control element to his business, but that doesn't make it necessarily illegal.
I mean, it's hard.
You see what I'm saying?
But it sounds like he's kind of implying.
He gets them in there.
He controls everything.
And all the things he's talking about control as far as the client lists and all that, that's all illegal.
And all businesses do that.
That's all illegal.
He makes a it, huh?
You said that's all legal.
That's all legal.
Yeah.
But the fact that he's doing all this and it makes them seem like they cannot leave.
And this is all they can do now in their life.
It's like a coercive tactic.
Yeah, but it's illegal.
They can always quit.
It's a job.
Yeah, they can.
Yeah.
So I haven't heard a crime up until the point when he's starting talking about taxes.
So I don't know how he is off camera, though.
If he's saying this shit on camera, no, you ain't going nowhere, bitch.
You know, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, as far as the taxes, he said, what about 50-50?
He said, well, I'm paying the taxes.
He ain't paying no taxes.
Thirty Years for Tax Evasion00:02:06
This is tax fraud.
Yeah.
Sounds like he's paying all these chicks in Bitcoin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or something like that.
They're doing it all through.
So that's why a lot, like here lately, they've seized all this man's property.
His Bugattis, whatever you call them, all these luxury vehicles and his properties.
Because the tax man wants to get paid.
Right.
And when you go around not paying your taxes, they just take everything you got and then they figure out how much you owe them.
So that explains why they took all this property.
But also they take all your property if your business was illegal itself.
Right.
Right.
I mean, which not paying your taxes make your business illegal.
Well, the human tax evasion is a yeah, it's a major crime.
Yeah.
You could have the most legit legal business.
If you're not paying your taxes, the RS will come take everything, your house, your cars, everything that belongs to you until they figure out how much you owe and how much the fines are going to be.
Yeah.
So, but as far as this webcam business, it's not illegal in any country I'm aware of.
And to have women working for you underneath your webcam business, that is not illegal.
Unless you're chaining them to the bed and you're refusing to let them go or you trick them deceitfully and they come there and you was there was some deceit involved with the tax thing.
They fake tax documents and then you throw them away.
Sign this, sign this, yeah.
And go work.
No, I'm taking care of you.
Now, as far as human trafficking, man, I mean, that's not too hard to prove.
All you need is one woman to say, yeah, I was there.
I was working for his webcams.
He told me I was going to work four hours, but he wouldn't let me leave after eight.
He didn't pay me what he said he was going to pay me.
Then when I wanted to leave, hold on.
He didn't pay me what he said is going to pay me.
And then when I tried to leave, he wouldn't let me leave.
Yeah, that's that's human trafficking.
You know, I mean, I'm forced labor is human.
It's a form of human trafficking.
Yeah, sexual exploitation.
Yeah.
All that is human trafficking.
Proving Human Trafficking Claims00:03:29
Webcams ain't.
But if he actually handled his business as far as taxes this way, yeah, you could be getting 30 years just for that.
They ain't going to give him 30 years.
It's going to take.
It depends how much money he made.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just what?
They're just going to take anything he made.
This dude is a.
They're going to take a, I mean, ask Wesley Snipes.
He took his freedom and everything he owned.
Yeah.
He did it to Red Fox, too.
That's some serious time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He ain't looking no 30 years, though.
He ain't looking no time like Sam Bankman Free gonna get.
Well, it depends on if that human trafficking come through.
I don't believe the human trafficking.
Tax fraud?
From what I saw?
Yeah, tax fraud.
Yeah, tax fraud.
Yeah, he did.
Yeah, his girlfriend came out and said some things.
Yeah, she's gonna be a good character witness.
Yeah, she got the video?
Check out, man.
If you don't live under a rock, then I'm pretty sure you know that's a good idea.
She is fine.
Oh, man, that woman is fine.
Whoa, man.
If Brittany came back to me, man, that girl is smoking hot.
He could have made 10 times more money if she was working for him.
Maybe she did at one point.
You get hold of some webcams.
You making some money.
Anyway, man, that's his girlfriend.
Go ahead.
Just play the video.
Yeah, you're going to play the video.
If you don't live under a rock, then I'm pretty sure you know that Andrew Tate has been arrested for human trafficking.
Absolutely absurd, simply for the reasons that it's absolutely false.
I have lived with Andrew for years and years, and he would never do anything like this ever.
I've already had to make some videos regarding his innocence when it came to him being called a woman beater for a video that got leaked of us through having a little bit of a rough role play.
I had to make a video, clarify two videos on fact, clarifying that he is innocent.
But here I am again, coming from somebody who lived with him for years.
He is not a human trafficker.
He would never anybody.
And he would certainly never ever human traffic anyone either, including his brother.
They would never do such thing.
I am just so shocked.
And I'm so fed up with all of these lies talking about it that he's a woman beater, that he's a human trafficker.
It is so false.
It's so false that it's upsetting.
Even though we're no longer together, it upsets me because I know the person I have lived with.
I know who he is.
And he is neither of those things.
And he does not deserve any of this coming his way.
Yeah, man, she's smoking hot.
I just want to throw that out there.
But you know what?
What I find so odd about all this, what defense attorney goes on YouTube in front of millions of people, takes somebody who's been arrested.
Now, this defense attorney, he's for his for his career, his life, he defends criminals.
He defends people.
Why would a defense attorney go on YouTube and do, what, five or six videos, get means a total millions of views on his videos, putting down somebody who is innocent until proven guilty.
Because he doesn't like him.
Yeah, he doesn't like him.
He wasn't objective.
And people accused you for not being objective.
You're not.
You're totally biased.
Well, from a defense.
He's just...
Now, is Andrew Tate a massage?
Is he much, does, won't you calm down?
Is he misogynistic?
Does he look down on women?
I would say yes.
That's obvious.
You think so?
Why a Lawyer Defends Tate00:01:07
I think he looks down on women.
You think so?
I told him no.
I think he's been a little harsh on it.
I'm just saying.
That's the only faults I find in Andrew Tate.
He looks down on women.
He does.
He's misogynistic, but anybody did a little tax fraud.
But as far as human trafficking or coercion, horse labor, I don't see it.
This is proof, man.
You could be an intelligent.
You can be an intelligent.
Calm down.
Nick, calm down.
You get anxiety.
Okay, okay, look.
Get the anxiety down.
Look, you can be an intelligent man, but as soon as you introduce a bias into that intelligent man's head, you do dumb shit.
You're not objective.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
I mean, the way he looks at women, from my point of view, this is what got him in this entire situation.
Yeah, he's a very smart guy.
Very intelligent.
He's very articulate.
Yeah, he's a smart guy, but his biased view of women got him in trouble.