Patrick Bet-David clashes with Neil deGrasse Tyson over COVID-19 vaccine safety, mocking Tyson's expertise while arguing the nine-month trial period was dangerously rushed compared to standard five-to-ten-year protocols. Bet-David rejects the "social contract" for vaccination as communist, citing CDC misinformation and alleged long-term side effects like growing a third arm to justify his distrust of Dr. Fauci and the medical establishment. Tyson counters that statistical necessity demanded accepting minor unknown risks to prevent overwhelming hospitals and mass deaths. Ultimately, the debate highlights a deep societal fracture between individual liberty and collective public health mandates during a global pandemic. [Automatically generated summary]
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Scientist Argues Testing Was Insufficient00:04:07
Yeah, got a new show for y'all.
Got a damn good show and welcome to the show.
Today, we're going to be discussing Neil Tyson.
He's an astrophysicist.
He was on the PBD podcast.
Now, you're probably thinking, what the hell is an astrophysicist?
In layman's terms, it's equivalent to a bird watcher.
You know, we got people who watch birds.
You call them birdwatchers.
You got people to watch planets and stars.
That's what astrophysicists do.
He's a planet watcher.
I think astrophysicists also came up with the Big Bang theory.
They said nothing was here.
Nothing.
It was just not even black space.
It was just nothing.
Then all of a sudden, boom!
Started making planets and stars and black holes and shit.
I don't believe that shit.
Now, these are smart people.
Trust me on this.
Astrophysicists.
He's a planet watcher.
Yeah.
He's a Star Watcher.
Well, he's a comet watcher.
Yeah, he's a scientist.
He watches space.
Yeah, he's a scientist.
Calm down.
Anyway, so he was on the PBD podcast, right?
Patrick Bett David podcast.
Podcast.
He's got a damn good podcast.
He got a damn good podcast.
He got a damn good podcast.
So, and they had a heated discussion about like the vaccine and being vaccinated and COVID.
So he was kind of shaking when he was talking.
Who, the planet watcher?
Well, anxiety.
Yeah, I got anxiety.
Yeah.
That's why Keith has to tell me to calm down.
You know, I get all anked up and it gets him all angst up and start cursing and fighting with each other.
All right, now shut up.
Let's go to the first video.
From what we knew at the beginning of COVID to what we know today, what do we know about the vaccine today that we didn't know while we were all testing it on America taking it?
What have we learned now?
What do you mean testing it on America?
There were tests before it was released.
Nine months is not a long time to test.
No, but it was tested.
Yeah, but nine months, the average is 30, the average is five to 10 years.
I mean, nine months is not in my life.
Okay, so you have to suggest.
No, you have to ask.
Hold on.
It was tested in trials.
Okay.
By the way, I'm not claiming to be the expert on all this.
I read all the same things you have, but I'm a scientist, so I read it as a scientist.
Okay?
There were trials.
That's what the point of phase one, two, three trials are all about.
They are tested enough to get data on how to then advise the larger population.
Yes, it was tested.
For you to say it wasn't tested is it is a gap between your awareness and understanding how things work and what actually happened.
It was tested.
If you want it to be tested on millions of people instead of thousands, you can put in for that.
You can say, I don't want this unless it's millions.
That's okay.
Totally fine with me.
Okay.
I'm okay with that.
So based on that, do you say, let's keep testing it while the virus keeps spreading?
Okay?
Right.
So this is the contest between the information you have available to you at that moment and what's going on outside the lab.
People are dying.
Hospitals are becoming overloaded.
So do you say we have good data on the thousand?
It's not yet at a million in case you wanted a million.
Are you going to say, let's still do it on another, let's wait another six months so we get another million in here?
So a scientist is making an argument.
Well, he's a planet watcher.
Do we really call him scientists?
He's still a scientist.
So the scientist is saying people are dying and we got like a thousand people, but you know what?
Let's go ahead and just rush this.
A scientist is actually making that argument.
Yeah.
And he never said it wasn't tested.
He's just saying it wasn't enough testing.
But you put words in his mouth like he said it's no testing.
He realizes that was tested.
Rushing Vaccines While People Die00:16:17
All his point was, it's not enough.
Yeah.
Yeah, he was trying to make the argument that it wasn't tested.
And those words never came out of Patrick Bett David's mouth.
He just suggested that more often than not, when we have a vaccine, it's been tested 5, 10, 15 years.
This thing was tested for nine months.
Yeah.
And you, the scientists, the bird watcher, I mean, excuse me, the planet watcher, the Star Watcher, you're making a suggestion that a civilized society, just because we have a pandemic going, you're going to rush the science over here to try to prevent people from dying.
There's still people dying.
People still catching it.
People are still catching it.
People are still spreading it.
So the rush, in my humble opinion, was for nothing.
And that's what he started off with.
He said, what do we know today that they didn't know when the vaccine was released?
That was his whole point.
We should have tested longer.
Will you do that as a public health professional?
No, I would have said allow the individual to still have a choice that's okay with a thousand instead of a few million.
Leave the person have the choice.
Not force him to take it or else you're going to get out of the Marines and you've been doing this for 14 years.
Not force them to take it or else you have to quit your job as a nurse.
There's a public force versus a public health contract that you have signed.
Really?
I didn't sign it.
Implicitly as a citizen of a country where in part we depend on each other for health, our wealth, our security, and the like.
And that contract is in the best scientific evidence available at the time, if you do not get vaccinated, you will put other people in this organization at risk.
And that organization does not want to take that risk.
So you do not have this job anymore if you decline it.
He's making the assumption that what?
If you take the vaccine, you won't get sick.
You won't spread it.
Yeah.
Where have you been?
You've been watching too many stars.
You've been looking at too many plans.
You need to read up.
You're behind on everybody.
You're behind on the facts and the evidence.
You're behind on the signs.
What the hell are you talking about?
You still assuming that if I take the vaccine, that I can't get it or transmit it to anybody else.
What are you talking about?
And what the hell is this social contract you're talking about?
We signed a social contract that we have to follow and obey everybody else just because they're doing something.
We have to do it too?
Not in America.
It's called communism.
Maybe in Russia, maybe in China, but we don't work that way in the United States.
If the scenario was different, let's say this COVID, 80% of the people that got COVID died.
Personally, I'm like, what?
You got a vaccine?
Give me that vaccine.
I'll kill you.
You see what I'm saying?
But that's not the scenario when it came to COVID.
It was like 99% of the people.
I forget the number, but it's.
Yeah, yeah.
1%, 2%.
The numbers are like minuscule.
Minuscule, right?
But in the grand scheme of things, we got hundreds of millions of people that live in the United States.
Of course, the numbers are going to be high because our population is so great.
But in all actuality, it was minuscule.
Yeah.
It's like 97, 98, 99.
It's just, I guess it just depends on who you ask for the numbers.
That's what so said about this entire situation.
Let's go to the next.
Hey, wait a minute.
But a majority of the people that I want to point out before we go to the next clip, the majority of the people that was dying from this was sick in the elderly.
No shit.
Well, tell Mr. Starwatcher.
Next video.
You can put forth that idea.
But what I'm saying is, in a case where you can contaminate someone else, it's not about you.
It's about the collective health.
You're assuming.
You're assuming because somebody can take the vaccine won't get COVID, which, by the way, I don't need to play the clips for you to see it where everybody said, hey, if you get it, you're not going to get it.
If you take the vaccine, you're not going to get a Rachel Maddow, Joe Biden.
I can give you Fauci.
I can give you fifth.
You've seen these clips before.
It's not like you've never seen it before.
What happened?
They were wrong.
Hold on.
So, the strain evolved.
I don't think that you saw it.
He sounded like a scientist.
He evolved.
You might be an astrophysicist, but man, the stuff that's coming in your mouth is ass backwards.
Well, he's still a scientist.
Yeah, but he needs to stay.
You need to stay in your own league, man.
You need to stay in what you know.
You watch planets.
You watch stars.
You astrophysicists.
Doesn't sound like to me you know the real facts about how viruses are spread and how effective this vaccine is or even what the vaccine was meant to do.
The vaccine was meant to do what?
Keep you from dying and spreading it.
That's the whole point of a vaccine.
Yeah, and getting sick from it, right?
Yeah.
That's all been proven false.
All of it.
I mean, this is not like you did this podcast a year ago.
Yeah.
You just did this podcast.
Yeah.
What, a couple days ago?
Yeah, within the last week.
Yeah, I could see, I could understand this.
What's the name?
The Neil Tyson.
Mr. Tyson?
Is it Dr. Tyson?
Hey, look here, Tyson.
Look, I can understand you saying this if you just took the vaccine two, three weeks ago, you know, and COVID just broke.
But you, we know a lot more about this vaccine and COVID now.
Yeah.
A lot of people, regardless of if they're vaccinated or vaccinated, they still get sick, regardless of their vaccination status.
The trial they did before they released this vaccine onto the public is minuscule to the actual people taking the vaccine and what we know now.
Yeah.
That's all he was asking, jackass.
But you still defending, oh, it evolved.
You did like this.
Just like this.
Keep doing his hand like this.
The virus evolved.
So if that's the case.
Yeah.
Why even come over the damn vaccine?
Yeah.
Because whatever you manufacture to give to the American people or to the citizens of this great globe of ours, if you know it's like the flu and it continuously evolves, what's the point of even trying to create a manufactured vaccine if it's going to be obsolete?
Don't have an answer for that, do you?
Well, he had the country.
They had the people.
They had the citizens of this great nation in their best interests.
They tried to do good.
They tried.
Yeah.
All right, let's go to the next video.
What I'm saying is, you're not confronted.
Your decision point is not, I'm not going to take the virus because five years, 10 years, I don't know what effect it's going to be.
Though, some may not be comfortable.
Let me finish the sentence.
Okay.
So you can say, I don't want to take the virus because five or 10 years from now, there could be a side effect that we don't see.
Which is a possibility.
Hold on.
I'm trying to make a statistical point here.
Okay.
If you say, I don't want to take the virus because it hasn't been tested for five years and there could be some long-term side effect that worries me.
Okay.
In that same moment, there's the risk factor of you getting COVID.
Sure.
Okay.
Unvaccinated.
At one point, 87% of everyone dying in the hospital of COVID was unvaccinated.
See, they always go to that.
At that point in time, when that vaccine was released to the public, 80%, what did he say, 80%?
80% of people that were dying were unvaccinated.
Yeah, no shit.
You know why?
Because the vaccine, a lot of people hadn't taken the vaccine yet.
So that whole argument that you was making is a moot point because the vaccinating wasn't fully accessible to everybody in the United States.
But even with that said, what you said is missing context.
What really was going on at the time was 80% of the people, 70% of the people that was dying at the time was people elderly, 65 and older, and they had something wrong with them.
They call them comorbidities.
Comorbidities?
Yeah.
Heart disease, diabetes.
They had, you know, it wasn't healthy.
They had one foot in the grave, pretty much.
Shouldn't you should have said, and I'm not a doctor.
I'm not an astrophysicist.
Yeah, I'm not a virologist.
But, you know, wouldn't it be common sense to say not 80% of the people that were dying were unvaccinated?
Maybe you should have said 80% of the people who were dying from the COVID was, you know, unhealthy, elderly, sick, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease, whatever.
They had comorbidities.
Shouldn't it be more, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that?
You know why he didn't say that?
Because you're biased.
You're still pushing this narrative, this agenda, about how this vaccine is so amazing.
There's people still dying, still spreading it.
And they're vaccinated.
Let me pull up that video from the CDC.
Like, before we go to that video, like, Patrick Beck Dave, he brought up the fact about we know more now than we knew then.
And Neil, the scientist, said it was enough testing.
And we knew all that we needed to know at the time.
No, you didn't.
When that vaccine came out, they told everyone, you get this vaccine.
I remember, that's how it was marketed in the vaccine.
If you take this vaccine, you don't have to wear a mask.
You don't have to social distance.
We could put this all behind us and we can go back to life as normal.
Then guess what they did?
Hey, hey, you need to take a booster.
Yeah, well, first they did that.
And then the CDC, they even came out with this.
I'm so impressed with our ability to vaccinate at a clip of 3 million vaccinations a day.
We have 93 million Americans who have gotten their first dose, 51 million who have gotten their second dose.
And we can kind of almost see the end.
We're vaccinating so very fast.
Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick, and that it's not just in the clinical trials, but it's also in real world data.
And then when they said all of this, I mean, Dr. Fauci, they all were saying this.
And then it turns out people were still getting sick.
It's like, wait a minute.
If you're vaccinated, you still got to wear a mask.
Yeah.
And you got social distance.
But you take this booster shot.
You're good.
Didn't he come up with a second booster?
Then they said it's going to wire off after about 18 months.
You have to take that shit over and over and over and over.
Yeah.
All the while they were saying people who actually experienced COVID, survived COVID, they still had to get the damn vaccine.
Yeah, which makes no sense because having immunity, having already contracted the virus and survived it, my immune system is way stronger than any man-made vaccine.
Yeah, especially the one y'all talking about.
You need a booster for it.
That tells me that vaccine is not as good.
Why don't you need a booster?
Do I got to get a booster for chicken pox, measles?
I mean, it just doesn't make any sense.
The fact is, the CDC lied to everybody.
Well, they didn't lie.
That's all that information they had at the time because they only tested it for nine months.
Well, I know they lied.
Yeah.
How can you make such a promise to people after a nine-month study, after a little under over a thousands of people have taken it, that you're going to promise everybody, hey, if you take this vaccine, you ain't got to worry about getting sick.
You ain't got to worry about contracting it, spreading it.
The CDC said it right, said it herself.
She lied to everybody.
Yeah.
All right, man.
Let's go to the next video.
Yeah, there's a risk that you'll grow a third arm in 10 years because the virus mutates within you.
What should the individual?
Should the individual not have the right to say, I don't want to take it because that's it.
You don't have the right to contaminate someone else.
So if you don't want to get shot.
Who says that, though?
But who says that?
It's a social contract in a modern civilization.
I don't have the right to contaminate someone else.
What do you mean?
Like, so what do I do?
Stay home all day?
Yeah.
Or go to the beach.
Yeah.
You stay away from other old people who are.
But you stay away from people who are immune compromised.
So Neil, so for me, I'm asking you because I want to know how you process this as a guy that's well-read, smart.
I process the data and the data, we didn't have enough data, though.
No, no, we didn't have enough data.
At any given moment, there's data for you to make a decision.
At any given moment, the data is constantly getting better and better.
Yeah.
All right.
So, all right, at any given moment, you say to yourself, okay, what happens to me if I get COVID?
There's a chance I'll get long COVID.
I'm certainly out for at least a week.
And there's a chance I'll be hospitalized.
And there's a chance I'll die.
I take the vaccine.
It mitigates this, basically entirely removing the chance that I'm going to die, essentially, at my age group.
And I will accept the risk that in five years I'll grow a third arm.
That's the kind of decision-making that I make.
That's crazy as hell.
People are still getting it, still spreading it.
People are still dying from it.
And now you're trying to tell me, hey, you're going to grow a third arm out of your back.
But it was well worth it.
And he said some other, he said, I don't have the right to infect anybody.
What are you talking about?
I can have HIV, right?
I can have sex with somebody, and I don't have to tell them that's in some positive for the HIV.
That's in some states, right?
No, that's a law.
Really?
Something like that.
I think that's just the liberal states, though.
And let me tell you something, Neil.
Listen here, Neil.
Nobody intentionally infects people with the flu or COVID.
That's unintentional.
I mean, that's the risk you take when you go outside your door in the morning.
Why do I have to assume the risk that you're taking?
Yeah.
Hey, let me say this.
Let me say this.
Now, keep in mind, this guy's a scientist, a physicist.
That's astrophysicist.
This is an astral.
These people are like really smart people.
This is smart.
But this shows like when you introduce a bias to somebody, no matter how intelligent they are, when they become biased, that intelligence goes out of the window.
Yeah, it doesn't matter.
They're not being objective.
Think about this, everybody.
Let's say I'm immunocompromised.
My immune system don't work.
Guess what I'm doing?
I'm staying in the house.
I'm not going outside.
What?
That's something called COVID.
People with immune systems are dying from it.
I'm not going outside.
So let me ask you this question.
If I'm immunocompromised, I know I'm not going outside.
Anybody will have a brain if you're immunocompromised.
You're not going outside.
But you're going to have the people that's just because they don't have a vaccine, they don't have COVID.
Just because you don't have the vaccine, they can't go outside.
Even though that vaccine does not keep you from spreading COVID or getting sick or even dying from COVID.
In what world does that make sense?
Why does the sick people get to go out and I have to stay home?
That don't make any sense.
If I have a cormorantity, if I'm not a fully healthy individual and I have cormorants, I'm not going to go outside and risk my life.
You're lying to people.
You're going to cause people to die.
If I got heart disease, I got diabetes.
I should be very cautious.
If I'm immunodeficient, what do you call it?
Immunocompromised.
You shouldn't go outside.
You should practice social distancing.
I wouldn't go outside where there's a lot of people.
You're telling these people to go outside.
And the healthy people, just because they don't get a vaccine, even though they don't have COVID, even though that damn vaccine don't prevent you from getting COVID or spreading COVID, you want me to stay home.
Yeah, again, in what world does any of this make sense?
CDC Fails to Track Mortality00:02:16
These damn astrophysicists, man.
You know what?
These last couple years, I've lost all my trust in like doctors, the CDC, scientists, all the medical community.
I've lost all respect for these people.
They've undermined science.
Scientists have actually undermined their own chosen field to work in.
They undermine science.
And because of that.
Yeah, because of their biases.
Yeah.
I've lost a lot of faith in them as well.
Especially astrophysicists.
I mean, but this is the entire medical community.
Dr. Fauci.
Oh, man.
This vaccine is better than actually surviving COVID.
How many people have gotten COVID, got it again, and died?
Yeah.
You would think the CDC, they would keep track of those numbers.
Remember when COVID was going?
They had it down to the minute.
It was like a damn vote map.
You know what I'm saying?
Had someone dropped dead in South Dakota.
I mean, unvaccinated.
Had somebody over here in West Virginia dropped dead.
They had COVID.
They had running totals for every state in America.
Did they ever keep track of people who survived COVID, got it again, and died?
Did they track the people who got vaccinated and died from COVID and release that information to the public?
No, they haven't.
You know why?
Because it's not about public health.
It's not about that.
It was about control and making money.
That's what it was all about.
Money makes the world better.
Until you release those figures, I don't want to hear about this about public safety.
Yeah.
And this social contract you're talking about, Neil?
A social contract we signed that I have to assume the risk of everybody else and I have to be responsible for their health.
I've never, I never remember having to sign such a contract.
Maybe that's a contract people sign in communist countries, but in a free society such as America, that social contract you're referring to does not exist.
It's a figment of your imagination.
So why ain't y'all mandating the flu shot?
You know people's dying from the flu.
Yeah.
Why don't y'all mandate all these other shots?
Because you know people's out here dying.
Yeah.
No, it just came to COVID.
Oh, okay.
Why is that?
Oh, you got this vaccine y'all trying to put out here.
That's why.
I mean, I ain't stupid.
I ain't no scientist, but I ain't no damn fool neither.