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donald j trump
It's about three point one billion.
It went up a little bit.
or a lot.
So the 2.7 is now 3.1.
jerome powell
I'm not aware of that.
donald j trump
Yeah, it just came out.
jerome powell
Yeah, I haven't heard that from anybody at the Fed.
donald j trump
It just came out.
unidentified
Our notes said it about 3.1 as well.
3.1, 3.2.
jerome powell
This came from us?
donald j trump
Yes.
I don't know who does that.
unidentified
Well, this is classic Trump.
alex jones
This is what we love about him.
Like when he looked at Hillary and said, yeah, it's a good thing I'm not the president or you'd be in jail.
It's those type of zingers, the authenticity, the courage that we need.
And the private fellow reserve chairman who refuses to cut our interest rates while the EU has cut theirs.
And of course, now we learn it's over a billion dollars in renovations that have gone on to the Federal Reserve, the private Federal Reserve.
Trump turned it today and handed him a piece of paper to have him read off of
of it again and just classic Trump and it was 2.5 billion overrun then 2.7 billion now over $3 billion and Powell has lied to Congress and said no marble no rooftop fountains no private apartments no private elevators and of course it's all there then he tries to spin it go oh well it's only you know 2.7 billion for the main complex this other 300 million or whatever that's another building yeah that's part of the complex giant
50-story, 100-story skyscrapers don't cost $3 billion.
But it just shows the imperial private Federal Reserve that won't give Americans lower interest rates to restart the economy, but will give themselves a $3 billion Versailles Palace.
And I just love how Trump nailed his ass.
Now, Trump, do what you said you'd do with Elon and go to Fort Knox to see if the gold's there.
You promised to do that, and we haven't seen that yet.
of the U.S. gold supply the private run-for-profit Federal Reserve that's predominantly owned by European shareholders the same ones that own the private EU Central Bank that Jerome Powell sits on the boards of as well and you notice he and their group gave them interest rate cuts but not for us because they want Trump's recovery plan to fail Trump's doing a great job of the economy tariffs trade the border so much more terrible job as a response to the whole Epstein debacle we want him to succeed and this is the Trump we like we want the old
Trump back.
We don't want the new Trump that gets mad at reporters when they ask about Epstein, because newsflash Trump, that only makes it a lot worse when you act like you're running scared.
We want this Trump back, not the new one that's listening to some really stupid people.
I think we hear the president.
unidentified
Let's tune in.
donald j trump
With the chairman, as you know.
unidentified
Chairman, come on over.
donald j trump
And we're just taking a look at what's happening.
It's a tough construction job, building basements where they didn't exist or it
unidentified
expanding them and a lot of very expensive work there's no question about it and uh Tim has been with me for a long time and you're in charge of the committee indeed one of the reasons why wanted to see it was the overruns of the expenses wanted to figure out why so we're taking a look and it looks like it's about 3.1 billion went up a little bit or a lot so the 2.7 is now 3.1 and yeah it just came out I
jerome powell
haven't heard that from anybody since then I looked at it about 3.1 as well 3.1 3.2 yes I don't know who does that you're including the market renovation you just added you just you just added in the third building is what that is that's a third building it's a building that's being built it's been it was built five years ago we finished marketing five years ago it's
donald j trump
of the overall work.
So we're going to take a look.
We're going to see what's happening.
And it's got a long way.
Do you expect any more additional post-overlones?
jerome powell
Don't expect them.
We're ready for them.
But we have a little bit of a reserve that we may use.
But no, we don't expect to be finished in 2027.
unidentified
We're well along, as you can see.
donald j trump
Nice to take these off every once in a while when we're not under too much danger.
So any questions?
unidentified
Mr. President, as a real estate developer, what would you do with a project manager who would be over budget?
Generally speaking, what would I do?
donald j trump
I'd fire him.
jerome powell
Do you think this issue, Mr. President, gives you co-wants to do that?
donald j trump
Well, I'm here just really with the...
unidentified
It's Friday, July 25th, in the year of our Lord 2025.
And you're listening to the American Journal with...
harrison smith
with your host harrison smith watch it live right now at band.video i think it's time to blow this thing get everybody in this stuff together okay three two one that's down good morning ladies and gentlemen welcome to the american journal i'm your host harrison smith it's friday it's friday morning glad you're all here with us today we've got a lot to talk about a lot of news to get to and i believe we'll be joined in the third hour by a very special guest creating a very unique
community in Arkansas.
And coincidentally, this just got the attention of NBC News.
And they're outraged.
Can you guess why?
unidentified
Stay tuned for that.
harrison smith
I'll try to open up the phone lines for your calls.
In the second hour, like I said, we do have a lot to cover, including a lot of crazy videos to get to.
So let's begin today, as we do every day, with our daily dispatch.
unidentified
*Squeak*
harrison smith
right folks here it is your daily dispatch for friday the 25th of july 2025 trump and powell clash as president visits federal reserve during a visit to the federal reserve building president donald trump toured the under construction headquarters in washington dc bringing a document with a new 3.1 billion dollar cost figure the renovation cost ballooned from 1.9 billion to 2.5 billion since 2020 fueling trump's public crusade and his demand that powell lower interest rates amid the tour fed chair
jerome powell disputed through 3.1 billion dollar estimate, noting the building was completed five years ago, and the Fed's reserve for overruns.
Wait, what?
I think AI wrote this.
That doesn't make any sense.
The tour intensified political scrutiny of the Fed.
The visit marked only the fourth presidential tour since 1937, with Senator Tim Scott highlighting overruns.
He's like, don't worry about the costs.
We literally print the money.
Don't worry about how much this costs or how it's even possible to spend $4 billion on a single building.
Don't worry about it.
We summon the money from thin air so we can afford it.
We can afford it because the money that we print is worth less than the paper we print it on.
So they're paying for their building with your dollar's value decreasing, essentially, is what's happening.
Meanwhile, nine more die of malnutrition in Gaza.
Health Ministry says, as Israel, to allow foreign aid airdrops.
That's right.
They're allowing a Berlin airlift style food drop by parachute into Gaza.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks.
You could just, you know, give them some of the tons of pallets of food that you have waiting for delivery.
You could just not shoot, bomb, and kill the people waiting in line for food, but, okay, they're going to allow us to parachute in food as if that was necessary.
Because I guess in this instance, the Israelis are the Soviets starving the Germans, in this case, the Palestinians.
They're the bad guys.
I guess in a word, when you are the country that's forcing the other countries to deliver food and necessary sustenance by air, by blockade running, you're the bad guys.
And this is not just, you know, yet another horrific, you know, tale of just sheer unrepentant evil, because we get those about once a week out of Israel.
This one is having a pretty major effect.
In fact, I'm not sure if I have the story here in the Daily Dispatch, but I do have it elsewhere, and we'll get that to you in a second.
France is now talking about recognizing a Palestine state, and the Prime Minister of the UK, Kier Starmer, has come out to condemn Israel.
And basically the four or five most major media outlets in the world have come together to issue a joint statement condemning Israel for their treatment of the Palestinians, in particular, the starvation conditions that they're creating with, of course, the first to die from malnutrition being children.
The younger you are, the more vulnerable you are to this murderous activity.
So have they gone too far this time?
I guess we'll have to see, but this is, again, not just yet another in the infinitely long list of horrors, just crimes against humanity carried out on a daily basis by Israel.
This one is really having some major geopolitical effects and causing some major change.
So we'll return to that in a little bit.
Meanwhile, DOJ launches Strike Force to investigate Obama officials over 2016 election.
The Justice Department said late Wednesday it had formed a strike force to investigate potential next legal steps after Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard released a document about the 2016 election.
The documents do little to suggest wrongdoing by the intelligence community in seeking to investigate Russia's efforts to influence the 2016 election.
But Trump administration officials have nonetheless said Obama officials should be held accountable while President Trump accused the 44th president of being guilty of treason in connection with the incident.
We've been over this infinitely, but there is some new information coming out now.
And in fact, we'll be able to present to you exactly what the documents that the IC and Barack Obama saw.
So you can see exactly how they were dealing with them.
Meanwhile, we have this.
Deputy AG Todd Blanch says and Ghillane Maxwell had a very productive meeting in Florida, according to her attorney.
Ghillane Maxwell and U.S. Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche had a, quote, very productive day, Maxwell attorney said, after the DOJ official traveled to Florida to meet with the infamous financier Jeffrey Epstein's accomplice, who's currently serving a 20-year prison sentence in Tallahassee for sex trafficking charges.
David Oscar Marcus said of the meeting, Blanche took a full day and asked a lot of questions.
Ms. Maxwell answered every single question.
She never stopped.
She never invoked a privilege.
She never declined to answer.
She answered all of the questions truthfully, honestly, and to the best of her ability per Fox News.
Maxwell's brother Ian told the outlet she is reportedly compiling evidence related to her 2021 trial over alleged government misconduct.
Clearly, we must now see how this plays out, he said.
So wait a second.
Wait a second.
Wait a second.
So Ghelaine Maxwell is using this opportunity to try to make claims that she was somehow abused by the government, that somehow her trial was falsified somehow.
She will be putting before that court material new evidence that was not available to her defense at her 2021 trial, which would have had significant impact on its outcome.
Wouldn't that just be perfect?
Wouldn't that just be perfect if after all of the talk about Epstein and Maxwell and Trump on his campaign and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel and at the end of it, the outcome is that the Epstein files are, they no longer even acknowledge that they exist and Ghillen Maxwell gets out of prison.
Wouldn't that be just the perfect, perfectly ironic solution or outcome to this whole event?
It's just absolutely absurd.
Again, we can touch on that later.
Finally, we have this.
Zelensky urges national unity amid Ukraine anti-corruption protest.
Critics fear that a law passed this week will neuter two anti-corruption bodies.
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday urged national unity as demonstrators took to the streets of more than a dozen cities nationwide to protest a controversial bill that critics say will neuter two key anti-corruption agencies.
Ukrainian media estimated that thousands of people gathered near the presidential office in the capital of Kiev on Wednesday evening, despite a nightly curfew and the ever-present threat of Russian drone and missile strikes.
And we're getting some more information about this.
Apparently, they passed this bill against the wishes of their American authorities.
And again, you know, perhaps this is the way that the war ends.
You know, maybe this is one of those, the old lady that swallowed a fly situation where we got into this mess because we sent in a team of CIA State Department agitators to start riotous conditions and transmorgrify that into a total coup and a decapitation on the ruling regime.
And maybe we just do that again.
Maybe we just do, maybe we can solve through manufactured protest the problem we created through the same process of manufacturing protest.
It's not the ideal solution, but it could potentially bring an end to the war if you oust the tyrant that currently sits on the throne, despite never being elected to be there.
Or at least not for this term that he is illegally serving.
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I want to cover another story, actually.
It wasn't in our Daily Dispatch, but I think it's interesting.
It's an interesting thing that's happening here.
And we've seen this happen for a variety of different cases.
In this case, it's an executive order that Trump put out.
And it's just kind of odd because this is an executive order about crime on the streets and about homelessness, vagrancy, or whatever you want to call it.
And it's the type of thing where it represents the failure of us to uphold the purpose of our system, meaning that the idea is that states or localities can handle their own business.
And the idea behind America is you don't need, you shouldn't need, at least we used to not need, a gigantic centralized government to manage the affairs, micromanage the affairs of everybody in the country.
What you need is independent communities that can look after themselves and provide upkeep and basic maintenance for themselves.
And the federal government is there for cases in which states are opposed to each other and need a third party to come in or some sort of national movement like going to war.
But theoretically, we should be able to handle homelessness and crime on a local level.
And it doesn't require intervention from the federal level because that's just a whole layer of complications and interventions that just waste energy when what you're trying to solve is a very local problem.
But our localities are taken over by psychopathic leftist idiots that design programs that increase crime and maximize homelessness.
So I guess the federal government has to step in.
I guess when our local governments are doing everything they physically can to make the quality of our life significantly worse, I guess the federal government has to step in to just stop them from doing that.
And so Trump's put out an executive order.
It's from Rapid Response 47 on X. President Donald J. Trump just signed an executive order to restore order to American cities and remove vagrants from our streets.
Here's the text of the order.
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, it is hereby ordered, Section 1, purpose and policy.
Endemic vagrancy, disorderly behavior, sudden confrontations, and violent attacks have made our cities unsafe.
The number of individuals living on the streets in the United States on a single night during last year of the previous administration, over a quarter million, was the highest ever recorded.
The overwhelming majority of these individuals are addicted to drugs, have a mental health condition, or both.
Nearly two-thirds of homeless individuals report having regularly used hard drugs like methamphetamines, cocaine, or opioids in their lifetimes.
An equally large share of homeless individuals reported suffering from mental health conditions.
The federal government and the states have spent tens of billions of dollars on failed programs that address homelessness but not its root causes, leaving other citizens vulnerable to public safety threats.
And of course, we can stop right there and look at the amount that we spent, what we've spent it on, and what the effects have been.
Because taking something like California as the premier example, after all, this one state, it's been reported has upwards of like 50% of the homeless population in the country.
It's absolutely insane.
I got all the stats doing a report a couple years ago, and they really are astonishing.
Even saying that right now, it's like, that can't be right.
But I'm pretty sure it is.
I'm pretty sure it is.
I'm pretty sure the one state, California, has as much homeless people as like the rest of the country combined, if I'm not mistaken.
It's something like that.
Why is that?
Why do homeless people go to California?
And the answer is, ironically, because California is the state that spends the most on homeless people.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
unidentified
And the weather's pretty nice.
harrison smith
Well, the weather's nice.
The weather's nice.
The weather's nice in a lot of places, isn't it?
I mean, the weather's nice all over the country, more or less.
Florida, the weather is lovely.
Why do they not go to Florida?
Because Florida doesn't give them things.
It's actually very simple.
So you have a problem that is the homeless, the amount of homeless, and it's a problem for the homeless as well.
After all, it's a problem not to have a home.
And the solution that they provide, at least that's what they call it a solution.
What it is, is a maximization.
It's not even, it has never even moderately decreased homelessness.
Now, you would think that after even just a year of spending a billion dollars only to have your homeless population double in that time, you would think that maybe a different tack would be sought for, sought out, looked for, and implemented.
But no, they just keep doubling down.
They just keep doubling down over and over.
So it's this irony of we've spent tens of billions of dollars and the situation is worse than it's ever been.
And the more money we spend, the worse it gets.
And the places that spend the most money have the biggest problem.
So here's a crazy idea.
What if we just stop doing that?
What if we just stop doing that?
What if we just stop spending that money?
After all, we've talked about just a few of the homeless programs in America, specifically in California, where there are programs literally that have spent, I think the number was $30 million buying vodka for homeless people, literally buying bottles of booze to hand out to homeless people.
Okay, we can just stop doing that.
We can just stop doing it.
The homeless person wants to get booze.
They can get it themselves.
We don't have to provide it for them.
So there's one idea.
That's one idea for how we massively decrease the homeless population is we stop subsidizing it.
I know.
Crazy, crazy theory I have here.
And guys, let's see if we can find, I don't know if we can find it this quick.
I only think it's about a minute or two long.
There was a video by James Lee about the homeless industrial complex in California showing that not only is the money spent on the homeless, you know, only make the problem worse, most of the money is just stolen outright.
Yeah, San Francisco buys vodka shots for homeless alcoholics and taxpayer-funded program.
So great.
So that's great.
Continuing with the executive order here, shifting homeless individuals into long-term institutional settings for humane treatment through appropriate use of civil commitment will restore public order.
Surrendering our cities and citizens to disorder and fear is neither compassionate to the homeless nor other citizens.
My administration will take a new approach focused on protecting public safety.
And I do think that's an important sentiment.
Surrendering our cities and citizens to disorder and fear is neither compassionate to the homeless nor other citizens.
And I mean, it's not just not compassionate to the other citizens.
It very tangibly makes our lives worse.
I mean, I can't tell you the number of people I personally know that have been attacked by homeless people in Austin.
Not because they're hanging out in sketchy areas, but because the homeless are everywhere and they will literally attack you for no reason because you're walking down the street.
It happened to my cousin.
She almost got hit by a car because she had to run out in the street because some homeless dude was trying to grab her.
And this is just Austin.
This is just what life is like.
There's just some cracked out pink-haired hooker standing in the middle of a busy street, bent over from the fentanyl, and the cops are just walking right by, not doing anything about it, not providing any help.
And certainly, you know, mentally scarring my children.
That to me is maybe the biggest negative impact is like my kids think this is normal.
They think it's normal to have half-naked, cracked-out zombie retards living in tents on the sidewalk.
It's not normal.
This isn't normal.
They shouldn't see this everywhere.
They shouldn't even see these types of people.
They're scary.
Stop scaring my children with your homelessness.
Again, it's not compassionate to the homeless people to just let them literally rot just on the sidewalk.
It's not compassionate.
It's not safe.
It doesn't help them.
And of course, the greatest irony in a place like Austin is that the only reason we're like this is because the city government literally wrote a bill to allow it.
Didn't used to be like this.
How long is that?
All right, let's go to James.
Here's James Lee talking about the homeless industrial complex, just so you can see just a taste of the number of different issues that all combine to give us this drastically lower quality of life.
Let's watch.
james li
This lady is Velicia Adams Kellum.
She's the CEO of the Los Angeles Homeless Services Authority in charge of managing over $800 million annually in federal, state, county, and city funds towards homeless shelters.
It's a big responsibility, so they pay her a monster salary, $430,000 a year.
And what's she been up to?
Felicia has just been exposed for funneling millions of dollars worth of contracts to her husband.
Quote, documents show that Velicia Adams Kellum, chief executive of the LA Homeless Services Authority, signed a $2.1 million contract and two other contract amendments with Upward Bound House, the Santa Monica-based nonprofit where her husband Edward Kellum works in senior leadership.
And here he is, director of operations and compliance.
Hmm, compliance.
The irony is not lost on me.
And for context, $2.1 million is about a quarter of Upward Bound House's total funding.
So I would say Velica's generosity is quite critical for this organization.
Except that organization may not be what it seems.
Haley Maria Van Nuys wrote that, personally, she feels sorry for all the new homeless families coming into this program thinking they're going to get help when they're not.
That place isn't there for helping people.
It's a sad money trench with a homeless face to back it up.
Don't donate and stay as far away as possible.
Not shocking.
For journalistic integrity, I must say that Adams Kellum has denied wrongdoing.
A Lhasa spokesperson told LA IST that the contracts had inadvertently ended up in front of Adams Kellum to sign.
Except, you know, she's done it three separate times, so not shady at all.
The agency also said that they have pledged additional staff training to prevent future incidents.
Such a joke.
harrison smith
Yeah, you're being robbed and the problem's only getting worse.
So maybe a different approach is necessitated and that's one that Trump is taking.
I wish it didn't have to come from the federal level.
Knocking up around the streets.
Do we really need daddy?
Welcome back.
We got just so much more to cover today.
We get a story from Postmillennial about the executive order.
We were just discussing Trump to sign order pushing cities to remove homeless people from the streets.
President Donald Trump has reportedly set to sign an executive order dubbed Ending Vagrancy and Restoring Order, which will, quote, reverse judicial precedence and end consent decrees that place limits on cities and states from removing those who are homeless from the sidewalks and street city encampments and moving them to treatment centers.
And there are treatment centers that can be successful.
A really good one here in Austin.
I'm not even sure if they're nationwide or not.
It's called, I think it's called, oh, God, what is it called?
Fish and loaves, I think.
Fish and loaves or fish and bread or bread and loaves.
Something like that.
james li
Mobile loaves and fishes.
harrison smith
Mobile loaves and fishes.
Thank you.
Thank you, CJ.
Yeah.
And what they do, as far as I understand it, is they, you know, a homeless person can sign up and they have a wait list because homeless people are desperate to get into this place.
And they give you a tiny home.
They give you a little tiny place of your own.
And as long as you keep it up and, you know, keep it nice, then it's yours.
And it gives them a sense of belonging and a sense of ownership and a set of rules that if they don't comply to them, they lose access to that privilege.
And that's been incredibly successful.
And it rehabilitates people.
And eventually, you know, they work their way up.
I would, you know, hate to see this just be institutionalizing people that could be reformed or, you know, helped in some way.
But regardless, as I was saying in the last segment, in Austin, the only reason that homelessness is even an issue is because the city deliberately wrote law to allow them to camp anywhere in the city.
Any public land, meaning any sidewalk, meaning just outside of your place of business.
Yeah, they can post up there.
They can encamp there.
And it's been just absolute disaster for downtown, downtown businesses who literally just like cannot operate because customers won't come to their store because they have to step over a rotting pile of human flesh to get in.
And so they don't do it.
And of course, the ultimate symbol of this law was that the only city land, the only city-owned property in Austin that homeless people were not allowed to camp on, the only city-owned property deliberately and specifically excluded from the open camping ordinance was City Hall itself.
So these people, these scumbag local leadership, say, yeah, the homeless can camp absolutely everywhere in the city except where we work, except where we spend our time.
Everywhere else, we volunteer to let homeless people sleep.
It's just outrageous.
And even then, it took the state to come in with the highway department because they could then at least kick people off the overpasses or underpasses on the freeway.
But it's just an absolutely ridiculous situation where your quality of life is tangibly lowered deliberately by a government policy.
A problem that did not exist five years ago is suddenly overwhelming for no other reason.
There's no economic pressure that caused this to happen.
There was no major downturn where a bunch of people lost their houses.
Nothing like that.
No, it was literally a law passed, a decision made at the local government level to say, you know what?
You know what this downtown could use?
A bunch of gigantic camp cities full of trash.
That's what we need.
That'll help us.
So now it's like, I don't even want people to come to Austin.
It's like, oh, you want to come visit Austin?
Well, avoid everywhere.
Don't go anywhere because it looks like crap and it's embarrassing and it makes people want to stay away.
So now when people leave Austin, I mean, it's like cliche at this point.
You can find compilations of people going on Joe Rogan's show ever since Joe Rogan moved to Austin.
And every single one of them is like, oh yeah, Austin, yeah.
What's up with the homeless?
Like, it's the first thing.
It's like, why are there cracked out fentanyl zombies literally everywhere?
What's up with that?
Why is that the case?
And it's like, that's what happens when leftists take over your city.
That's what your city becomes.
And people don't come to Austin and go, oh my God, the weather, the natural wonders, Barden Springs, the live music.
They'd go, yeah, Austin, the homeless.
What the hell?
It's disgusting.
It's like, yeah, well, our city council made that decision.
They all sat on a big, you know, half, half-circle oval desk.
And, you know, one by one, they voted on the question, do you want to make the city a giant, disgusting trash heap?
And every single one of them said I. The eyes have it, we're going to make Austin a giant, disgusting trash heap full of criminals.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks for voting for that.
Now the federal government has to come in and correct it.
So that's going to go well, isn't it?
So again, just, and it's just, this is, it's not about Austin.
It's not about homelessness.
It's about these people.
It's about these people we're surrounded by who think that they're being compassionate by ruining everything all the time.
This is more complex than what one police officer should have to do.
City leaders looking to add a dozen new jobs to address homeless encampments.
They create the encampments.
Then they got to hire a thousand people to deal with the problems they create.
So it's just symbolic.
It's just symbolic of everything else we have to deal with.
None of this is real.
None of these are actual problems that are hard to deal with.
They all are just deliberately chosen to make your life worse because they hate you.
Unless they have a different reason for making your life worse in every possible way at every chance they get.
Unless they're just that stupid and incompetent, which maybe that's the case, but I think it has more to do with malice than incompetence personally.
Anyway, we can move on now.
Oh, yeah, I remember what I was going to say.
Because I bring it up all the time, and it's always shocking.
The book Confederacy of Dunces, one of the best books of all time.
If you haven't read it, you must.
Or at least get the audiobook.
And it's written in the 60s.
It takes place in the 60s in New Orleans.
And one of the main characters starts off having been arrested for vagrancy.
Not because he was living on the streets and not because he was committing crime, but because he literally didn't have a job.
And it used to be in the lifetimes of probably most of the people listening to this show, right?
Anybody that was alive in the 60s was alive during a time in America where if you couldn't prove your income, you'd go to jail because it's pretty obvious when they go, all right, you don't have a job.
You don't have family taking care of you.
You know, you're not living off your family's wealth.
So you must be doing something illegal.
It's pretty simple.
Like if you can't prove where you're getting your money from, you must be getting it from somewhere you don't want us to know.
You must be doing something illegal.
So you're under arrest.
And they make him get a job.
And once he gets a job, then he's on like parole and they make sure that he keeps his job and he can stay out of jail by keeping his job.
You know, I think the problem is so far at this point that that's obviously not possible.
But it is how things used to be.
It used to be that if you couldn't prove your income, you'd go to jail.
You'd go to jail because what the hell?
You can't just, you obviously have money because you're eating food.
Where'd you get the food from?
Who'd you steal the food from?
So anyway, it just shows how far we've fallen in the last 60 years.
Meanwhile, this was an amazing unforced error from the Democrats.
Dims post surge in grocery prices under Biden.
Blame Trump.
Delete post.
That's the headline from 4wars.com.
Democrats post of image showing a massive surge in all grocery prices under Barack Or under Joe Biden.
And they post it trying to dunk on Trump.
So this is the image.
This is the chart that they post.
And they posted it with the caption, Trump's America.
U.S. grocery prices reached record highs in 2025.
Prices are higher today than they were on July 2024 in all major categories listed below, cheese, alcohol, grocery, dairy, produce, and meat.
And then they posted a chart that starts in October 2019, shows that there was no rise in food prices all the way through 2021.
And only once Biden got into office did you have a massive rise in all these prices that I guess is still trending somewhat up.
Some have gone down, some have gone up.
But in general, the massive price rise all happened under these four years, which were the Biden years.
So I guess they read the headline and didn't really look at the chart.
Maybe they don't know how to read a chart.
That's certainly possible.
Whatever DEI hire is tasked with running the Democrat Twitter account might genuinely not know what these squiggly lines mean.
I mean, that's what we're dealing with here.
That's the level of stupidity that we're dealing with.
They don't know that that's what that chart shows.
They're not sure.
They were never taught to read the X and Y axis and what those things mean.
They just read the headline that says grocery prices are high, and then they just assume that that must be what the chart shows.
They have no ability to actually discern or decode the complicated, you know, ruinic portrayal of price over time.
That's too complicated of a concept for them.
They're public school graduates, after all.
They're just university graduates.
You can't expect them to know how to read a simple line chart.
It's incredible.
Meanwhile, J.D. Vance pushes for automation of agricultural industry.
No amnesty for illegal immigrant farm workers.
President J.D. Vance called on more automation in the agricultural industry when discussing AI policy on Wednesday.
The question came up when he was asked about the topic of illegal immigrant labor in the farming industry.
Vance was asked about how the administration may find a middle ground when it comes to the handling of immigration cases when people have been in the United States for years working on farms as well as other industries.
And of course, he responded that we're not going to do any amnesty in this country.
We're not going to tell people who have come into this country illegally that they're allowed to break our laws and be rewarded for it.
So he said what we need to do is automate.
Which of course is the obvious answer to all of this.
But they don't want the obvious answer.
They want to destroy the country through demographic replacement via immigration.
So sort of that's sort of the issue here is that people are almost operating under the delusion that we're both pursuing the same ends.
And so it's a discussion of what tactic will achieve those ends.
And we have to understand the ends that we are pursuing, which is just a basic normalness, which is just basically allowing people to live and thrive and survive and prosper and to pursue life and liberty and happiness through whatever means available to them as long as they're not hurting anybody else.
We just want people to be left alone to pursue their destiny as they see fit without the interference or limitations of government or manipulation by corporations.
What they want is your total destruction.
See, we have two different ends in mind.
We want to not necessarily return to the 1950s, but we do want the atmosphere of the 1950s.
We want the togetherness and hopefulness and optimism and racial demographics.
I'm just kidding.
But no, we want the spirit of the 1950s with the benefits of modern technology.
Is that such an impossible dream to achieve?
But it is, I think it's a worthy goal to pursue.
The goal they're pursuing is the total destruction of all of the systems of freedom and liberty and just all the other good things to make America worth fighting for.
They despise, hate, and want to destroy.
They want your dispossession and eradication.
So these are incompatible goals, and yet we act like we're pursuing the same thing.
So they're not interested in how to make farming more efficient.
They're interested in how to trick Trump into giving amnesty to their foot soldiers.
They don't care.
Trump is live.
Apparently, Trump's live right now, departing for Scotland.
Let's go to press conference, last minute, Trump on the White House line.
unidentified
Are you concerned about that?
donald j trump
Well, you know, I'm the person that likes a strong dollar, but a weak dollar makes you a hell of a lot more money.
Hate to tell you.
I don't know if you study it, but I study it.
unidentified
And if you look in the end, I went to Pan and Work, so I know this.
donald j trump
You understand.
unidentified
Absolutely.
Oh, you did go.
donald j trump
Well, that means you're a smarter guy than I even thought, and I know you're smart.
So, when we have a strong dollar, one thing happens.
It sounds good.
But you don't do any tourism.
You can't sell fractures.
You can't sell props.
You can't sell anything.
It is good for inflation.
That's about it.
And we have no inflation.
We've wiped out inflation.
But it's an interesting question.
So I will never say I like a low currency, but you remember the battles I had with the won, with China and with Japan, Japan being the yen.
They always wanted a weak currency.
They're trying to get a weak currency now.
Now, it doesn't sound good, but you make a hell of a lot more money with a weaker dollar.
Not a weak dollar, but a weaker dollar than you do with a strong dollar.
And the first people that are going to notice it are the manufacturers of trucks and various other things.
Like, look at Caterpillar, how well they're doing now.
When you have a strong dollar, you can't sell anything.
It's only good for inflation.
And it's good psychologically.
It makes you feel good.
unidentified
But with that being said, I love strong dollars.
donald j trump
But you make your money with a currency.
And I had so many different fights with President Xi, with, I mean, between Japan and China.
All they want to do is have a weak currency.
They're always fighting for a weak currency.
And that's how they really dominated over the years.
So when I see it down there, I don't lose sleep over it, let's put it that way.
In fact, sometimes they go to sleep very happy.
You understand.
Do you agree with me?
unidentified
I agree with a lot of what you said, Mr. President.
Do you think it makes it any easier to impose your tariff with that lower dollar?
donald j trump
I think it makes it easier even for tariffs, yeah.
And it makes the tariffs worth much more.
And it's easier to pay off debt.
And it's easier to get a low interest rate.
There are a lot of good things.
It's hard to explain to people the headline we, oh, Trump wants a weak dollar.
It's not a weak dollar.
You take a look at the history of China over the last 20 years.
All they do is fight for a weak currency.
Look at Japan when they were really doing well.
They had a very weak currency.
So to me, I just say thank you very much.
unidentified
What's your comment on each fight?
Have you given up on a Gaza CL?
donald j trump
Well, the Gaza situation, and I said this was going to happen when you get down to your last 10 or 20.
We got a lot of hostages out.
We took them out in numbers that nobody believed, a lot of them.
And I said, when you get down to 10 or 20, I don't think Hamas is going to make a deal because that means they have no protection.
And basically, that's what happened.
Hamas didn't want to make a deal.
I think what's going to happen is they're going to be hunted down.
unidentified
Secondary sanctions sooner on Russia.
lizbeth gutierrez
Are you closer today to secondary sanctions?
donald j trump
We're looking at that whole situation.
It could be that we'll have to put secondary sanctions on them.
unidentified
250 days?
Maybe, yeah.
Who are you with?
donald j trump
Who are you with?
unidentified
Okay.
I'm reproductive for France to say that they would recognize the Palestinian state.
Macron said that yes.
donald j trump
Look, he's a different kind of a guy.
He's okay.
He's a team player, pretty much.
But here's the good news.
What he says doesn't matter.
It's not going to change it.
unidentified
How could he catch him?
donald j trump
Well, he made a statement, friend, Lacron.
His statement doesn't carry any weight.
He's a very good guy.
I like him, but that statement doesn't carry weight.
How worthy is the trade deal with the EU I would say that we have a 50-50 chance, maybe less than that, but a 50-50 chance of making a deal with the EU.
And it'll be a deal where they have to buy down their tariff because they're right now at 30%.
And they'll have to buy them down, maybe, or they could leave them the way they are.
But they want to make a deal very badly.
I would have said we have a 25% chance with Japan.
And they kept coming back, and we made a deal.
And the deal is, don't forget, Japan's putting up $550 billion.
It's a lot of money.
And also paying tariffs.
The biggest part of the Japan deal, and maybe we get this with the EU, maybe we don't, is that we have the right to go in and trade.
We have the right.
They've totally opened Japan just to the U.S. That's, to me, the biggest part of the deal.
unidentified
Well, that's hard to be able to.
You said repeatedly you would like to see further nuclear arms reductions between the United States and Russia.
But the new SARS treaty is expiring in about six months and it cannot be legally expanded.
donald j trump
That's a problem for the world.
It's a problem for the world.
You know, we have restrictions and they have restrictions, as you know, on nuclear.
That's not an agreement you want expiring.
We're starting to work on that.
But that is a big problem for the world.
When you take off nuclear restrictions, that's a big problem.
I think that Jerome Powell, I think we had a very good meeting.
Forgetting about the building, that's out of control and all that.
But I think we had a very good meeting on interest rates.
And he said to me, now I don't know if he's going to say this on Thursday or when he ever speaks, but he said to me very strongly, the country is doing well.
He said, congratulations, the country is doing really well.
And I got that to mean that I think he's going to start recommending lower rates.
unidentified
Because of that conversation.
How do you think that the Supreme Court record is president left?
Thank you, Mr. President.
How do you think that the Supreme Court ruling that benefited you on presidential immunity would apply to former President Barack Obama and what you're accusing him of doing?
donald j trump
It probably helps him a lot.
Probably helps him a lot, the immunity ruling.
But it doesn't help the people around him at all.
But it probably helps them a lot.
He's done criminal acts.
There's no question about it.
But he has immunity, and it probably helped him a lot.
unidentified
Trump owes me big.
harrison smith
Live in the White House.
donald j trump
Obama owes to me big.
unidentified
What are the details of the UK trade agreement you're hoping to find soon with the Prime Minister?
donald j trump
We want to talk about it.
harrison smith
They're talking about, I guess, Prime Minister of UK now.
That was an interesting response from Trump to the question about Obama, asked whether the Supreme Court ruling about Trump's presidential immunity would give cover to Obama.
And Trump just said there, yes, it probably would help Obama avoid prosecution, but not the people around him.
So that's probably a little insight into the way the DOJ is likely going to pursue charges as laid out.
And we've got the story here.
I'll bring you in just a second about the strike force.
I guess I read it during the Daily Dispatch.
The strike force that the DOJ is compiling together.
It looks like they're probably not going to be going after Obama himself, but after those around him, which is disappointing.
Again, I think if those are the rules that are played, then, you know, maybe Trump can say, hey, look, if Obama's allowed to do it, then so am I. So everybody better watch out, or you're all going to be Russian agents by this time, four years from now.
Let's go back to Trump.
donald j trump
When you get down to those last 20 hostages, you get down to that last 10 or 20, it's going to be very hard for Hamas to make a deal because they lose their shield, they lose their cover.
We got a lot of them out, a lot of them.
We took a lot of bodies out, too.
You know, so many of the parents said, please get my son's body back.
And we're able to do that.
We've got a lot of people out, live and people that are not alive.
But it was very important to the parents to get their son back, even though they knew their son was dead.
unidentified
Are you going to be able to get the open championship back to Turnberry?
I think they will do that, yeah.
donald j trump
Turnbury's rated the number one course in the world.
I think they'll do that, yeah.
unidentified
And are you going to talk to anybody?
donald j trump
No, it's not about that.
I'm going to see it for the first time in years.
You were there the last time we went.
unidentified
That's pretty good, right?
donald j trump
No, it's the best resort in the world, I think, at Turnbury's, and it's one of the greatest courses in the world.
We're going to see it.
We're going to have, I believe dinner at Turnbury with the Prime Minister.
Then we're going to go to the oil capital of Europe, which is Aberdeen, and we're going to have lunches there.
We're going to have a good time.
I think the Prime Minister and I get along very well.
unidentified
And you're going to see the Scottish leader, too, right?
donald j trump
When he's got a bad place.
unidentified
I am.
I am.
What's that about?
donald j trump
Well, we have a lot of things in Scotland.
I have a lot of love.
My brother was born in Scotland, and he's a good man.
The Scottish leader is a good man.
So I look forward to meeting him.
That's all set up, right?
unidentified
Mr. President.
Parrish Day is exactly one week from today, August the 1st.
What do you expect between now and next Friday as it relates to your deadline?
donald j trump
When you say tariff, not Paris.
Paris.
I think you said Parrish Day.
Well, most of the deals are finished right now.
harrison smith
They're finished because we just finished charging the world's loudest engine doing a press conference.
I think he does it just to annoy the press.
Oh, you want to ask questions?
Yeah, let's go over here by the running helicopter before we answer questions.
But answering a variety of questions, very interesting answer about Obama's immunity ruling, but also answering questions about Gaza.
Again, we'll get into that since the starvation campaign is finally causing the international community to no longer turn a blind eye and act like what Israel is doing is in any way justified.
We'll get back into that in the next hour.
Stay with us at the AmericanJournalfort.com.
Ladies and gentlemen, American Journal is on.
unidentified
We got more political news to talk about.
harrison smith
We got more Epstein to get into.
And we got the backlash against Israel to inspect.
But I want to go to a couple videos here.
More and more of these have been coming out.
We got a problem in this country.
We got a big problem.
And they're called Somalians.
They're called the Somalis.
And they're a self-inflicted wound on America that I don't think we should have to put up with.
Obviously, you got Ilhan Omar, congresswoman, routinely talks about how the whole point of her being in Congress is to help Somali, Somalia and her fellow co-ethnics.
You got Omar Feta saying exactly the same thing, referring to Somalia as back home, because they're not American in any sense of the word.
And we got a couple more videos now because it seems like every Somali representative is fairly open about not only their love of and continuing loyalty to their home country, but of their outright disdain for America.
And I got some opinions about this.
We'll go first to Maine representative.
Now, I want to remind you, Maine, and it's not, you know what?
I should have grabbed this before we did it.
But, you know, they deliberately sent Africans to Maine because Maine was too white.
So like they literally have articles and are giving speeches going, Maine is too white.
What are we going to do about that?
What can we do about the amount or the proliferation of white people in Maine?
I know we'll drop a million Somalis there and then they can, you know, operate as a block and vote as a block for their own people to further aggrandize themselves.
So the, I guess the campaign is working of whatever you want to call it, small-scale genocide.
Why is Maine so white and what it means to ask the question?
I mean, there's like a million articles like this.
And literally, so you've got this Somali representative hired by the Somali or elected by the Somali community that was dropped there explicitly to make Maine less white and to, you know, provide ethnic enclaves for non-white people to gain power and further weaken the demographic conformity of the area.
So clip number six here, Maine representative Decca Dalak D says her goal is to help her country of Somalia.
Let's watch.
deqa dhalac
Policies, how can the politics in Somalia resonate what we have here in the United States, the democracy that we have?
How can you help us be a better country and build back what we used to have back in a long time ago?
So hopefully we will be able to help our country, our former country, Somalia.
harrison smith
Oh, yeah, we're going to help our country, Somalia.
A main city that's 90% white now is a Somali mayor.
Yes.
Oh my God.
Yeah, that is really what we're learning.
The problem is not even with Somalis.
It's with white people.
It's with white people electing somebody who's just like, I hate you and I love my own country and I'm going to work to benefit my country and not yours.
White people are just like, yay, good for you.
We suck.
We really do suck.
Let's go to clip number seven here.
This is another representative, Mana Abd.
And here's her talking just with absolute seething disdain for the country that rescued her from a war-torn hellscape called Somalia.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Anything.
So coming into the states, everything from the snow to, you know, the housing, the homes that we were all of a sudden occupying, everything was a shock, honestly.
Every day was something new, and I'm like, oh my God, this is just getting worse.
Yeah.
So what state did you guys land first of all?
Kansas.
Kansas City.
Of all places.
Yeah.
harrison smith
Kansas of all places.
unidentified
Oh, really?
harrison smith
Kansas.
unidentified
Oh, I'm sorry.
harrison smith
Was there not enough poop on the beach for you?
I'm sorry.
Was there not enough beheaded people to make you feel at home?
A disgusting Kansas Somalian rat.
We'll be back on the other side.
eric orwoll
All right, welcome back, folks.
harrison smith
I don't know what it is about Somalians.
Because it's one of those things.
So it's like anywhere they go, they elect their own people.
Their own people are just look, their representatives, if that's the best, the best.
It's not looking good.
It's not looking good.
They can hardly speak English.
Whether it's in Maine or Minneapolis, wherever else they settle, they vote for themselves.
And it would, you know, I don't even know what to do.
I don't even know what to like say about it.
Because here's this woman who was rescued as a refugee because her country is the worst country in the world.
Like, that's, this is what I don't understand.
She goes to Kansas and is like, ugh, every day it was just worse and worse.
And it's just like, so what was so bad about it?
Was it was it the lack of war crimes?
Was it the lack of open defecation?
I mean, what was so, what was so offensive to her about Kansas?
To Kansas of all places?
Bitch, you're from Somalia.
What The hell are you talking about?
And I'm not, this isn't, I've got nothing against Somalians.
I'm going by the facts here, folks.
It's the worst country in the world.
And it might only be, you know, outranked in some of these by South Sudan, but it's between those.
And I'm not even kidding.
Somalia is among the least developed countries in the world, as evidenced by its rankings and metrics such as GDP per capita and its position near the bottom of the Human Development Index, only above South Sudan.
It has maintained an informal economy based on livestock, remittances from Somalis working abroad and telecommunications.
It's a member of the United Nations, et cetera.
I mean, it's literally the lowest country in the world in terms of Human Development Index.
It's been a civil war for 35 years straight.
It is an absolute failed state disaster crap hole.
And these people go to Kansas and are just like, ugh, Kansas.
I had to go to Kansas of all places.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Were there not enough open air market and goat herds wandering around for you?
We're so sorry.
We're so sorry we had to inflict a quality of life above the bare minimum on you.
I'm so sorry.
I mean, what were we thinking forcing you to live in a country that is safe and prosperous?
I mean, can we send them all back, honestly?
It's not like they've been here for 100 years.
They've been here for like 10 years.
Can we just send them all back?
Why would we not?
I mean, what is, and again, it's like, it's not like people come and are just like, wow, you rescued me.
This is amazing.
I love America.
They're waving American flags there.
And I'm just like, but you're from somewhere else.
Get out of here.
It's like you come here as a refugee from your war-torn, crap hole, collapsing, filth-ridden, scumbag-occupied, disaster of a country that has provided nothing to the world ever except for piracy.
Thank you for that.
And then you come to our country and start acting superior.
You start acting like you have something to teach us.
You aren't just ungrateful.
You're disdainful of the gift you've been given.
Screw you.
You need to go home.
You need to go back.
That's what I don't understand.
You know, if you want to come from wherever, Switzerland, go, yes, I had to go to Kansas.
It's all flat.
It's like, all right.
All right, dude.
Well, we can't all be from heaven, okay?
Yeah, we can't all have been born in literal earthbound heaven that is Switzerland.
All right.
We're doing the best we can here.
I at least understand it.
But when you come from Somalia, you shouldn't be allowed to say the word Kansas.
You shouldn't be allowed to say the names of our states unless you tag on some sort of, you know, appaulete, like how they say Muhammad, peace be upon him.
You should be like, Kansas, a place I'm not worthy to live.
Like, you should have to say something like that, just to emphasize that you recognize that Kansas is a place and a community and a society that is so far beyond your ability to create.
It seems like you can't even comprehend it.
It seems like you're confused at the fact that it's a place where you don't have to worry about a machete sticking out of your head for going in the wrong neighborhood.
We can move on, but it's just like, really, Somalia.
Somalia, you're going to act disdainful about Kansas and you're from the open-air crime market known as Somalia.
Then I just started looking into like what Somalia is up to these days.
United Nations Assistant Mission in Somalia recorded at least 899 civilian casualties, including 441 killings, between late November 2020 and late July, a marked increase compared to the same reporting period the previous year.
Most were killed during targeted and indiscriminate al-Shabaab attacks using improvised explosive devices, suicide bombings, and shellings, as well as assassinations.
Hey, but at least there's not cornfields, right?
Yeah, sure, you might get blown up by some suicide bomber that kills a thousand people a year, but Kansas has rivers.
I don't know.
What's rivers that aren't filled with human excrement?
I just don't know.
I just don't know why we put up with these people, honestly.
And again, if you think I'm being harsh, just put yourself in their position.
Somalis living in American and Dream in Kansas glimpses a nightmare.
Oh, really?
Is the New York Times?
Can you print that story for me out, fellas?
Hey, guys, can you print that story for me?
Because I would like to inspect it.
I'd like to find out what Somalis are having to deal with in Kansas and if it's worse or better than being skinned alive by Islamic radicals in your poop country.
Maine becomes more diverse, but still widest state in nation.
They're working, I mean, they're working on the demographic replacement.
They're working on the ethnic side, but not happening fast enough.
It's still the whitest state in the nation.
Now, whether ironically or appropriately, Maine is also the safest state in the nation Per capita in terms of crime.
So there is that, but that's a problem.
Or how to put the whiteness is a problem that has to be solved.
The low crime rate is just an incidental thing that doesn't matter, I guess.
Maybe that's the way it goes.
The 2020 census shows that Maine remains the whitest state in the nation, but it's becoming more diverse.
Census data released Thursday showed that the state's population of 1,362,000 remains overwhelmingly white.
Ugh, really?
Why?
Because white people moved there and built the state on their own?
Why haven't they given it away yet?
Why hasn't it been forcibly taken from them by foreigners who just arrived yesterday?
Aren't they American?
The numbers decreased slightly from 95.2% of the population to 90.8% over the past decade.
Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire represent three of the four whitest states in the latest data.
That's a pretty good chunk.
I mean, if you can lower the white population by 5% in 10 years, you're well on your way to elimination.
The state's Hispanic population grew slightly from 1.3 to 2% of the population.
The black population increased from 1.2 to 1.9, a 64% jump, which was only behind North Dakota and South Dakota in terms of percentage increases.
So good.
The nationwide, state-by-state trend of decreasing the white population in favor of all of the others is continuing out of pace.
The uptick in non-white populations mirrors a nationwide trend showing the country as a whole becoming more diverse.
The release of redistricting data cold from 2020 census is coming more than four months later due to unexpected delays caused by the pandemic.
So yeah, so they, you know, Maine is white.
What are we going to do about that?
We're going to drop in a billion Somalis who are then going to basically hate you, but you're still going to elect them because you've been subject to decade upon decade of propaganda forcing you to hate yourself and you're too weak to even see it.
That's pathetic.
So I don't know.
Somalis, that's just, it would be different if there was like a variety, right?
Some Somalis were patriotic, some weren't.
Literally every time we see any Somali in any position of power, they literally just refer to Somalia as their homeland, talk about nothing but benefiting Somalia, and speak with open hate and disdain for the country that rescued them for the war-torn hellhole that they love so much and have so much loyalty to.
Of course, half the time, the Somali refugees were victims of some sort of tyrannical death brigade trying to eradicate their people.
So they have to flee to Kenya or something.
But that's often only because a few years before, they were the ones in power and they were carrying out the massacres and the torture and all the other horrible stuff that keeps that country in a state of endless desperation, poverty, and crime.
But at least we're funding them.
At least it's all of the American money that's expropriated from us and being sent back to their home countries.
Again, just outrageous.
Just insane and outrageous.
It just doesn't make any sense.
It really doesn't.
All right, let's talk about something else that doesn't make sense, which is the continuing support for Israel.
You know, we talked about it a little few days ago.
Trump's law, they call it Trump's Law.
And it's that everything Trump does in some way is for the benefit of Israel.
And that might be a little bit of an exaggeration.
But is it, though?
They just defunded UNESCO, and they claimed it was something about China, and they claimed it was something about diversity.
But then the spokesperson is asked, why did you eliminate funding from UNESCO?
And they said, because Israel.
And you can read between the lines.
What does UNESCO do?
What is the purpose of UNESCO?
It's to feed starving people.
What is Israel doing?
It's starving people.
So it's actually not that big of a stretch, and it's pretty much verbatim what they told you.
America defunded UNESCO because UNESCO is trying to feed the people that Israel is trying to starve to death.
See, Israel has a program of starvation that's racking up bodies by the day, and UNESCO would foil that program by delivering food to those people.
So now America has to defund UNESCO.
That's what popped into my mind when I read this headline.
USAID analysis found no evidence of massive Hamas theft of Gaza aid.
And it's just like, okay, is this what it was about?
Is this what it was about?
At the end of the day, it didn't have anything to do with USAID spending billions of dollars of our taxpayer dollars on frivolous things.
It didn't really have to do with the way USAID was a Trojan horse, you know, for regime change operations in the third world.
It wasn't so much that USAID was, you know, causing problems and acting as sort of a fifth column faux independent appendage of our State Department.
It's the USAID wasn't going along with Israel's lies and was actually, you know, helping to bring awareness to the murderous campaign of genocide that Israel is carrying out.
So, yeah, I'd buy that.
I'd buy that, you know, underlying purpose.
It would be nice to have a country that actually did things for the benefit of America.
But I guess the situation we're in now is just like, okay, how do we frame anything we want as if it's for Israel and then it will get done?
Nothing we want done will ever get done.
Nothing we demand or need for our continuing existence will even ever be tabled for discussion.
But if Israel wants something, it gets done yesterday and any opposition is criminalized.
So if we want to get rid of USAID, we just got to show that Israel doesn't like USAID and then it goes away.
So I don't know if we can trick Trump into thinking that the Fed is Israeli, maybe we can end the Fed.
Maybe we can reverse the affirmative action programs that have dismantled the working class in this country by saying that Hamas likes it.
I don't know.
It's just, is this the paradigm that we have to operate in now?
We have to frame everything we want in terms of how it benefits Israel or else it doesn't get done.
A USAID internal review completed in late June analyzed 156 cases involving the disappearance or misappropriation of humanitarian aid financed by the U.S. in Gaza from October 2023 to May 2024.
They found no indications that Hamas was systematically involved.
Now, every single time they're asked about why they're starving the Gazans, the answer, and this is something that Netanyahu was asked when he was on an interview with the Nelk Boys.
He went on an interview with the Nelk Boys.
We haven't even really covered that interview, but it is interesting because for one thing, the Nelk Boys are an extremely popular podcasting group.
They had Trump on and this is very popular, not necessarily political, but just average apolitical kind of podcast, the Full Send podcast.
Well, Nanyahu went on there and the Nelk Boys admitted that they were given a series of questions to ask and the entire thing was scripted.
And that was the only way they were able to get the interview in the first place.
And then they asked Nanyahu, aren't you starving Gazans?
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He goes, well, you know, what happens when we send food in there?
harrison smith
Hamas takes it.
Hamas steals it.
Go, do you have any evidence of that?
Nope.
We actually have evidence of the exact opposite.
As if that would even be an excuse.
Hamas takes the food?
It's like, what the hell are you talking about?
You literally have lines of just people with bowls trying to get food.
How would Hamas even doesn't even make sense?
But USAID contradicted their claim.
So I guess USAID has to be destroyed now.
The findings challenge claims by Israel and some groups, including the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, who assert Hamas diverts up to 25% of aid and profits from pilfered supplies, though Israel has not publicly provided proof.
They just say things, guys.
You got to realize nothing they say is true ever.
Like you can pretty much just assume the opposite of whatever Israel says is the truth, and you'll be right more often than you'll be wrong.
Just as a rule of thumb.
They like their statements are lies more than 50% of the time.
And not just lies, but just like literally no evidence, no basis of evidence, no claims of evidence.
They just say things.
Okay?
There's still people out there that talk about 40 dead babies in ovens.
Just never happened.
Just wasn't a thing.
The UN just came out with a giant report showing that there was no sexual aspect to the raid, right?
They were using rape as a weapon and they were raping all of these Israelis.
And the UN comes out and is like, there's no evidence of that either.
And this is important because it's these lies that they predicate their actions on.
They're starving Gazans justified by the lie that Hamas steals the food.
They're carrying out this whole operation based on the cacophony of lies surrounding October 7th.
So just when you're talking about Israel, it is genuinely safe to assume that everything they say is a lie, and you're going to be correct more often than not if you just take that as a base assumption.
The 156 reports submitted by UN agencies and humanitarian organizations operating in Gaza were part of the requirements tied to obtaining U.S. funding, with at least 44 of these incidents attributed directly or indirectly to Israeli military activities such as airstrikes or evacuation orders.
A Washington Post article from July 2nd cited unnamed sources from Gaza and Israeli officials who claimed that Hamas gained financially by selling and taxing stolen aid, though Reuters was unable to independently confirm these allegations.
They just say things, folks.
They just lie.
It's just, it's really, really could not be simpler.
But don't worry, folks.
Despite the fact that Israel took over aid distribution and then just started murdering all the people that came for aid, they're now allowing foreign countries to parachute aid into Gaza.
Starting Friday, Israel has authorized, as a military official quoted Israeli Army Radio, foreign countries to parachute aid into Gaza to facilitate humanitarian assistance.
Since Israel lifted its May blockade, Gaza was suffering man-made mass starvation due to restrictions.
World Health Organization Chief Tedros said on Wednesday, data shows more than 100 people have died from starvation in Gaza since March.
Gaza Health Ministry attributed to, this has been attributed to the Gaza Health Ministry.
The Saudi foreign ministry reacted with praise and urged other countries to recognize the state of Palestine.
Ceasefire talks are expected to resume next week.
Warning of ongoing delays in peace negotiations.
Trump, of course, answered that question during the little mini-press conference we just saw, where he basically said he doesn't expect Hamas to make a deal, and he expects them to be hunted down.
Which I think when Israel says they're hunting down Hamas, what they mean is that they'll be airstriking civilians.
I think I've decoded their language.
When they say they're going to hunt down Hamas, what they mean is that they're going to use drones to run AI programs to murder families.
That's what that means.
But they're allowing people to parachute in.
So I have a feeling.
I have an inclination that the first country to actually try to parachute in goods, which again is just ridiculous.
It's just ridiculous.
They have full control of Gaza.
You could just ship in as many supplies as you could possibly handle.
The idea that we now have to parachute as if we're blockade running the Soviet blockade around Berlin after the Second World War.
And these people are supposed to be our allies.
They're supposed to be our allies, but we're having to airdrop food supplies to the people that they're starving to death because they won't let us just feed children that are dying by the dozens.
And I pretty much tell you what's going to happen is the planes are going to be shot down, and wherever the air supply parachute drop, Israel will probably just airstrike it.
And they'll go, wow, we didn't know.
How are we supposed to know?
They literally did it with the World Food Kitchen like two months ago.
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So for the last two years or so, we've been talking about just the endless evil pouring out of Israel in just the most heartless, brutal, and horrific combat.
Maybe in like, I don't know, I mean, when was the last time the world saw devastation like this?
I mean, I guess Cambodia or something?
I'm not sure.
Yeah, since the Holocaust?
Kind of ironic.
But it's something that we in the modern world aren't used to.
We sort of are sort of grow up in the post-World War II era with this belief that there's this international community that will step up and stop the most egregious examples of tyrannical genocidal behavior from the world's constituent states.
But that sort of illusion has been shattered at this point.
It turns out that if you're a certain country or certain people, there's nothing that you can do that will cause enough outrage for people to want to stop you.
Again, is strange because you hear about all these interventions we've done.
People are being mistreated.
We swoop in and level the country and make everything worse, but at least we try, right?
And so what's important about what's happening now, because we spent two years talking about Israel bombing hospitals and schools and refugee camps and running AI programs like Lavender, where they simply determine that you're a valid target based on your cell phone number or, you know, location tracking that you're in, the daddy's home program that identified potential Hamas members and waited until they were home with their families to eradicate all of them at once.
You know, just sort of all the stuff that we've covered for the last few years.
I mean, it's gone on and on.
But there's something about what's happening now.
What they're doing now in actually creating conditions in which children are starving to death, it seems like maybe they have finally crossed a line.
Because I'm seeing pushback now and outrage now and official movements now against Israel that I've never seen before.
So, you know, maybe they've pushed it a little bit too far.
But I'm trying to figure out sort of the Israeli mindset here.
And it can be hard to really get a handle on the public sentiment Because you got places like X where anti-Israel sentiment dominates everywhere.
And everybody of any position, if they ever post anything positive about Israel, they are just ratioed into oblivion, especially since most of the time what they're saying is just horrifically objectionable on its face.
The likes of Randy Fine, the big fat Galute, the giant slug person saying, let them starve.
It's just offensive on the face of it.
And that's usually the type of stuff they're saying when defending Israel because Israel is starving people and bombing children.
And so they come out to defend that and it makes everybody mad.
But is that really the public sentiment or is that just X?
So you turn on TV where the message is controlled and the corporations dictate content and you might get the impression that everybody's pro-Israel and that the anti-Israel people are some fringe radical contingent.
But Netanyahu goes on with the Nelk Boys and YouTube a long time ago got rid of their down vote counter because, again, it was to protect the mainstream because Infowars was dominating and you could see that anytime anybody who were officially told from the establishment, they're the best, they're the most loved, they're the top of the top.
And then they'd post a video and it would get downvoted into oblivion.
And so they got rid of that.
They got rid of that, just like they got rid of the five-star rating system on Netflix to protect Amy Schumer's feelings over her abysmal comedy production.
So because the sentiment of the people is not aligned with what the powers that be want, then they removed the dislike counter and all you can see is likes.
Well, people can actually still see the dislikes with browser add-ons or extensions.
And so you can see that when the Nelk Boys interview Netanyahu, it had something like 30,000 upvotes and 130,000 or even more.
Okay, 36,000 likes and 192,000 dislikes.
The numbers speak for themselves.
It's the most insane sellout known to man.
Asking him if he prefers Burger King or McDonald's, while people are starving.
This is insane.
Israel is so desperate for positive PR.
They sent their prime minister to a podcast with a bunch of pranksters.
It's been a great run, gentlemen.
I'm sure I've been following you for 10 plus years.
Thanks for the memories, but I think it's time we go our separate ways.
We part our ways.
You guys have the moral compass of an effing rock.
Asking a war criminal about fast food favorites while he orchestrates the starvation of civilians is not just absurd.
It's a grotesque mockery of justice and humanity.
These are all the comments.
And the YouTube comment section is one of the least moderated sections of the internet, I have to tell you.
And so you get a pretty good idea of the unrestricted opinion of the public.
You guys did question him once.
This is crazy.
Zero pushback.
You literally let a war criminal talk freely for an hour.
Two millions of fans.
Just horrible, horrible.
You guys are truly horrible.
35,000 likes versus 188,000 dislikes.
Incredible.
So again, what Israel has done to itself over the last two years is not something it's going to come back from.
Maybe ever.
Maybe ever.
So that has to be taken into account that the people running Israel understand that and they're making plans with that sort of assumption being true.
That nobody likes them anymore, that nobody wants anything to do with them anymore, that they're ridiculous, murderous criminals, and that the only way they get anybody to work with them is by blackmailing them or bribing them or some other nefarious connection.
In other words, the only reason anybody supports Israel is corruption or mind control, right?
They've either been tricked by their pastors into thinking that they're ushering in Christ's return by supporting a genocidal nation, which again, I think has to do with, I think it's pride.
They really want to think that they're just that important.
We are the final generation.
It's fine if we kill babies.
Sure, other people shouldn't support the mass murder of children, but we are the final generation.
We're the generation that's going to usher in Christ.
So we get to do it.
We have to do it, actually.
Like, yeah, well, that's what the Anabaptists thought in the 1300s, too.
And they all ended up in cages until they died.
So maybe you're not that special.
Maybe you're not special, Christians.
Maybe we aren't the generation that Christ comes back in, in which case, you've just allied yourself to a regime that's murdering children for no reason.
As Gaza Starves, now who jokes about McDonald's with Manosphere, podcaster, Milk Boys.
Okay, so Israel really ain't coming back from this.
So what do they do?
Well, they're doing a couple things.
One thing that they're doing is they're inviting a bunch of right-wing influencers to Israel for a big trip.
And this was big news.
They announced this.
The PR, like Israeli PR, announced we're inviting, I think the first day they said 16, then the number was up to like 250 people they'd invited.
But there's some amount of people that they're inviting to go to Israel to be propagandized and indoctrinated so that they can come back and be good little servants for the chosen people.
Now, one of the thing you have to realize about this program that they're doing, I was making jokes about not being invited.
I was making jokes.
Yeah, I got invited to go to Israel.
They dropped the invitation down my chimney with a drone.
It was amazing.
Now, yeah, my phone screen went black, and then the phone buzzed, and then the invitation popped up.
It was amazing.
They paged me.
The IDF paged me to invite me to go see how wonderful their country is.
I was making jokes about that, but I would never be invited because they're only inviting influencers who are under 30.
Under 30.
See, I think they sort of think right now, like, all right, we've kind of lost the argument for young people in general right now.
So they're looking to the next generation.
They're like, how do we indoctrinate the leaders of the next generation into subservience to us?
Because they're looking down the line several decades.
So they're only inviting very, very young people to go tour Israel and be trained as willing slaves.
I'm sorry I wasn't invited.
I'd like to go.
I'd like to go.
It'd be very fun.
They'd take me to the wailing wall.
I'd be going, isn't it amazing what the Romans were capable of?
To think that this was just a barracks, that the Romans just built this as a barracks.
I mean, it's more grand than anything we create these days.
And this was just their stables.
Isn't that amazing?
I'll be talking to everybody.
Did you know they found Roman coins from the 100s under the wall, meaning that it could not have been built before the sacking of the city in AD 70, meaning that this wall cannot be part of the original temple, meaning you're all praying to a pagan edifice built by the Romans?
Isn't that crazy?
And then I'm just like the IDF just throws me in prison.
I just get raped to death.
Yeah, right.
I'm never going to Israel.
Good try.
Good try, suckers.
What am I talking about?
So they're going after that.
They're going after that next generation.
They're going after the young people.
They understand that they have utterly ruined their reputation for anybody alive and thinking right now.
So they're like, all right, we have to go after the children.
They have to go after the children.
Like how cigarette companies used to advertise using cartoon characters because everybody who was 20 or 30 was already smoking their favorite brand.
You got to go after the kids.
You got to get the kids.
And then they'll be loyal to you from being a child.
And just like Ted Cruz says, he's like, some lady at my church told me when I was a kid that we have to support Israel.
And so now, 50 years later, he's sending weapons packages to the murderous terrorists because some church lady told him Israel is good when he was a little kid.
That's how powerful indoctrination of children can be.
It sticks with you.
It doesn't leave you.
You actually identify yourself with what you learned as a child.
So rejecting the propaganda from your childhood is like asking you to reject your own self.
And we have trouble doing that as human beings.
So they know what they're doing.
They know the problem that they've caused themselves.
They know the trouble that they're in.
And so they're trying to look to the next generation to indoctrinate children in hopes to weather this storm of hate that they've inspired against themselves.
And it's getting to a point, like I said, where the reaction I'm seeing is unlike anything I've ever seen before.
Trump envoy Witkoff says U.S. cutting short Gaza ceasefire talks as Hamas is, quote, not acting in good faith.
The U.S. is cutting short Gaza ceasefire talks and bringing its negotiation team home from Qatar due to Hamas's lack of desire to reach a ceasefire.
The deal under discussion includes a 60-day ceasefire where Hamas would release hostages in exchange for Palestinians imprisoned by Israel.
Israel says it will not agree to end the war until Hamas gives up power and disarms, a condition Hamas rejects.
Again, it's like, you know, this is how Israel treats Palestine when Hamas is active and, you know, militarily able to defend themselves, at least in some cases, right?
There are Israeli soldiers being killed on the regular these days because they're actually having to go into Gaza, not just bomb them from afar.
But that being said, there have been no rockets fired out of Gaza in like six months or something.
Like it's not actually a threat anymore.
So for the last several months, all of the actions of Israel, the murders, the starvation, it's all just been punitive.
It's not strategically necessary.
It's not in pursuit of some achievable goal.
It's just pure punitive torture, basically, or just torturing a beaten foe because Israel is evil and they're immoral and they're bad and they should be excluded from the international community.
Quote, they're losing hope.
What doctors, aid workers are seeing in Gaza amid hunger crisis.
Palestinian officials say 27 people have died of hunger in just the last three days.
Doctors and aid workers inside Gaza are reporting grim and heartbreaking details of widespread malnutrition, particularly in children, as the hunger crisis reportedly continues to worsen amid the Israel-Hamas war.
The Hamasran Gazi of administration, the Hamasran Gaza Ministry of Health said on Thursday that 27 people have died of hunger over the last three days, bringing the total to 113 since the war began on October 7th.
Of the deaths due to hunger, 81 have been children, according to the health ministry.
They're talking to parents in Gaza.
Here's one of the testimony from one of the parents.
Quote, last night I was thinking about killing my children because I can't take proper care of them or raise them in a good way, the group relayed to ABC News.
I can't even provide food.
I had to send them to neighboring tents to beg for bread.
I truly don't know what to do anymore.
Okay, so you've got parents considering killing their own children just to put them out of their misery and to stop them from enduring the insanely painful process of starving to death.
We see all the images coming out.
Again, we haven't seen this in Ukraine.
We haven't seen this in Russia.
We never saw this in Iraq.
We never saw this in Afghanistan.
This is normal.
This isn't just like, well, it's war.
It's just like, hey, those people are murdering children.
And people just go like, it's war, though.
But it's war.
So I guess killing children, there's nothing you can do about it.
It's like, no other war has this.
No other war has a like first world, fully advanced country keeping another country in absolute destitution, stopping food or water from being delivered to Them and allowing their children to starve to death by the dozens.
It's just this doesn't happen in war.
Typically, this is a choice being made by these evil, evil, evil, evil, evil people.
Okay?
We got another clip here because things are sort of going crazy all over the place.
But I guess we'll finish with, again, the insane developments here.
I thought I had a story of France.
So France has announced that they may well be recognizing Palestine as a country, which is good.
And again, something that has never really been on the table.
And it would be almost ironic and strangely beautiful if that was the outcome.
If the ultimate outcome of Israel's just insane outpouring of malice over the last two years is that Palestine actually gets recognition as a country and joins the UN and gets protections and actually Israel is forced to accept a two-state solution.
That'd be beautiful.
That'd be an amazing and ironic outcome to this.
And it seems like that's the way it's going.
France will recognize Palestinian statehood, Macron says.
The announcement says France, apart from the United States and most of its close allies, and could cause friction with President Trump, sets France apart from anybody else.
But QK Starmer has just released a statement calling the situation in Gaza unspeakable and indefensible.
Very anti-Semitic.
The suffering and starvation unfolding in Gaza is unspeakable and indefensible.
While the situation has been grave for some time, it has reached new depths that continue to worsen.
We are witnessing a humanitarian catastrophe.
This was put out by the Prime Minister's Office of the UK yesterday.
I will hold an emergency call with E3 partners tomorrow where we will discuss what we can urgently do to stop the killing and give people the food they desperately need while pulling together the steps necessary to build a lasting peace.
We all agree on the pressing need for Israel to change course and allow the aid desperately needed to enter Gaza without delay.
Well, look, they're not going to let you, and they control your country.
So, you know, we're kind of between a rock and a hard place, but obviously the answer would be to do to Israel what you would do to any other country if this was the case.
What is it about Israel that lets them get away with this?
The obvious answer is the blackmail networks and the, you know, insinuation into every single Western government at the highest levels, where you just have Israeli double agents just controlling your country for their benefit.
So that's why we aren't actually doing anything about it.
But it's going to have to come to a head at a certain point because asking them nicely is not going to work.
Begging them is not going to work.
Even threatening to withhold support for Israel is just going to be a non-starter because of the aforementioned systematic control they wield in our countries.
But if this was Libya, if this was Iraq and they were starving the Kurds, the outcome would be Benjamin Netanyahu sodomized to death with a bayonet by his own people after an extensive bombing campaign and America funding rebels to overthrow him.
I guess that's not how it's going to work.
So again, you've got Kier Starmer coming out and saying, you know, like, this is unacceptable.
This is indefensible.
We've got to do something.
And it's like, okay, the thing to do would be, I don't know, use some of your power as a first world country with military capabilities and a massive economy.
Why don't you do something to stop Israel instead of talking about it?
The appropriate thing to do would be bomb the Knesset if you wanted to stop this or just, you know, provide weaponry and defense for Hamas.
I mean, you want to stop this, Kirstarmer?
Do you know what the profession is of all the people you were surrounded by in that picture right there?
Those are professional soldiers who do what you say.
Gee, if only there was some way to deliver food.
Gee, if only there was some force that we could utilize in order to solve a gigantic crime being committed on the world stage.
Gee, if only we had bombs and helicopters and millions of men ready to deploy anywhere in the world to deal with catastrophic instances like this.
If only there was some sort of military might that we could wield against Israel.
But apparently Israel is the only country in the frickin' world that has an army because otherwise, wouldn't other armies be stepping up to stop them?
One would think.
And again, it's not just France and the UK that are making these sort of tepid statements that might not go anywhere, but are at least finally a movement in the right direction.
A joint statement on Gaza from AFP, AP, BBC News, and Reuters, so the by far largest media operations in the world, issued this joint statement.
We are desperately concerned for our journalists in Gaza who are increasingly unable to feed themselves and their families.
For many months, these independent journalists have made the world's eyes and ears on the ground in Gaza.
They are now facing the same dire circumstances as those they are covering.
Journalists endure many deprivations and hardships in war zones.
We are deeply alarmed that the threat of starvation is now one of them.
We once again urge Israeli authorities to allow journalists in and out of Gaza.
It's essential that adequate food supplies reach the people there.
So again, all the words in the world will do nothing.
We need action.
We need these countries to actually step up and put force behind their words.
But I don't see that happening anytime soon, which really just illustrates the problem Israel causes, not just for Gaza, but for all of us, but for everybody in any Western country, that the Israeli insinuation into our highest levels of government renders us incapable of dealing with just the systematic implementation of war crimes,
the starving Of children, the genocide of an ethnic group, and the land confiscation of a first world country against their enslaved captives.
We'll be back on the other side with Eric Orwald.
Don't go anywhere.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the third hour of American Journal.
We're going to be joined by Eric Orwal.
He's the president of Return to the Land, and he'll be joining us momentarily.
But lucky for us, NBC did a news report on him and his movement yesterday.
Here's NBC News reporting very, very fairly, I'll add, on the creation of this independent community in the Ozarks.
Let's watch.
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No blacks, no Jews, no gays.
High up in the Ozark Hills in the state of Arkansas, dozens of people have been working hard, building houses and a new type of community.
It's called Return to the Land, and it is a town open to white people only.
They are millennials and Gen Z, and this is a new update of age-old prejudice.
What we've done here is establish a place where we have control over who our neighbors are, and that is just for the sake of preserving, you know, our culture.
And that culture effectively was saying this is a white culture, a white's only place.
White American culture.
But what this sounds like is bringing back segregation.
Is that a fair assessment?
It's free association.
So we're not trying to keep other people down.
This is a small settlement in the middle of the Ozarks.
But they are being kept out of the...
Around 40 people live here.
Hundreds more from across the world have paid to be members.
And while the men do the physical labor, the women take care of the children who live here full-time.
It could be a very loving community if you're part of the community, but if you're black or if you're Jewish or if you're gay, you can't be part of that community.
They can have their own communities, and they already do.
You might be wondering how any of this can be legal.
Return to the land is structured as a private members' association, which they believe allows them to discriminate on the basis of ethnicity, along with other factors.
That has yet to be tested in the courts and may well fail.
The Arkansas Attorney General has said his office is now reviewing the matter as a result of our reporting, and that there is no room for racial discrimination in Arkansas or anywhere in the report from NBC.
harrison smith
Here is NBC, that same station, reporting on exactly the same idea, only with black people instead.
Freedom Georgia was an initiative to create a black-only town.
Here's how NBC reported on that project.
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Well, families from across the U.S. are taking to nature to celebrate Juneteenth.
41 NBC's Lisbeth Gutierrez takes us to a campsite in rural Wilkinson County where people are preparing for the weekend festivities.
lizbeth gutierrez
For Eric Wilson, Juneteenth is a time to come together and celebrate freedom.
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Even though we're coming from all over, we're still family.
alex jones
So I'm coming from Detroit.
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People will come from other parts of the country.
lizbeth gutierrez
Wilson, like many others, is stepping away from the city to camp out in the area known as Freedom Georgia in Tombsboro.
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This location is so important because this is freedom.
This is where we plan to build a community for us, by us.
lizbeth gutierrez
Laura Cooper is the CEO of the Freedom Georgia Initiative.
She bought over 500 acres of land in 2020 with the goal of creating a community for people like her.
The camp out allows her to give people new experiences.
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This is just a celebration, a celebration of freedom.
You know, us as a black culture having an opportunity to celebrate a day that's just for us.
lizbeth gutierrez
Camp Out festivities will last for three days.
Families will be able to participate in workshops, yoga, and watch the live performances.
Although it may be Wilson's first time camping in freedom, he's looking to the future.
unidentified
Really just feel compelled to freedom.
Want to go ahead and participate.
I'd love to come down and maybe one day build a house.
So we'll see what happens.
You know, I've met a lot of nice people.
lizbeth gutierrez
Along with having fun, people who attend are learning how to live off the land.
In Tombsboro, Elizabeth Gutierrez, 41 NBC News.
harrison smith
A little different tenor, a little bit of a different tone.
Same thing.
Same idea.
Creating a community for people like yourself.
When it's white people, it's hatred.
The Attorney General's involved.
It's about exclusion, keeping people out.
Why are you so racist?
Why are you so mean?
When it's black people do it, it's about freedom and embracing your community and about finding safety and togetherness.
And if it's okay for one, it's got to be okay for the other.
unidentified
If it's not good for either, it's not good for either.
harrison smith
It's the abject unfairness and hypocrisy of our society on display.
We'll be talking to the founder of that white-only community on the other side about his plans for the future.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Ericson Smith.
My guest is Eric Orwal.
He's the president of Return to the Land, a growing movement of like-minded people and activists that recognize traditional views in European ancestry.
The website is returntotheland.org, and you can follow him on X at Airvol.
That's A-A-R-V-O-L-L underscore.
Eric, thanks so much for joining us today.
eric orwoll
Yeah, glad to be with you, Erisa.
harrison smith
Well, tell us about Return to the Land.
Tell us about your project and just start with that, because then we'll talk about the controversy and why a lot of people are learning about you for the first time, which is that some unfriendly communities discovered you and raised your profile quite a bit.
But first, just tell us about Return to the Land, what your plan is with it.
Instead of hearing about it from NBC News and all of their hatred, why don't we hear from the man who's actually doing it?
Why are you doing this and what are you doing exactly?
eric orwoll
Sure.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a relatively modest rural community in northeast Arkansas.
We're down a dirt road on about 160 acres.
I've always celebrated my European ancestry.
I don't think it's good to feel shame about your ancestors.
I went to school for classical music.
I read classical European philosophy.
So I'm very enthusiastic about the tradition that I'm a part of.
Other like-minded people, I ended up linking up with them online through my social media, and they came down and helped me with a project that I was doing in southern Missouri.
And then the ball kind of just got rolling.
You know, we all thought it would be a good idea to try to do something bigger.
It's refreshing to be able to talk with people and not hide your true beliefs, you know, be candid about how you feel about your heritage.
And we didn't think there was anything wrong morally or legally with creating a community for ourselves.
You know, I don't want to deprive Black people or Jewish people or any other group of their right to do this.
And I also don't want to deprive the rights of people to integrate if they choose.
You know, I think forced segregation was immoral, but also I think forced integration is immoral.
So people should be allowed to have communities on whatever basis, in my opinion.
That's what we've done.
harrison smith
Well, and certainly for every other group, it never seems to be an issue, but obviously that's a inconsistency that we see in basically every aspect of our lives where racism is completely abhorred and white people are evil, right?
And somehow people say this with no sense of irony, even though it's just obviously insanely hypocritical.
So I started this hour in that first five minutes showing the report on you, calling you racist, calling this community hateful, et cetera, et cetera.
And then basically there's a group of black people in Georgia want to create a city they called Freedom, Georgia.
97 black people want to create a black only community.
And every report there, I just chose the NBC one because I wanted to use the same station, you know, just to emphasize the hypocrisy.
But it's all, it's, it's about love and togetherness and community.
And it's an amazing thing that they're so proud to present.
And to me, that's the big issue.
Like, I don't, I don't even necessarily have like a feeling about, you know, what you're doing.
Like, to be honest, I like living in a city.
I'm, you know, it's not the type of place I would want to go to live, but I think you have an absolute right to do it, especially if everybody else has the right to do it.
Did that inform your plans at all when you saw things like Freedom Georgia going up?
Did that inspire you at all?
Or just what's your feeling on the way these two very similar projects are so differently treated by the media?
eric orwoll
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
eric orwoll
Freedom Georgia was absolutely our main inspiration.
No, we were aware of communities like that, Jewish communities that do exist.
Irania in South Africa, I think, has always been the leading example for European ancestry people looking to do things like this.
I actually visited Irania with our vice president back in January, and what they've done is really, really impressive, especially considering the state of the rest of the country.
And they're minding their own business, doing their own work.
We intentionally copied their own work policy.
So everything we've done here, it's been our own labor, except like drilling the wells.
We don't have well drilling equipment, of course, but everything that we could do, we did here on our own.
So there are several inspirations, but really, it's funny that of all the groups that have attacked us the most, it seems to be Jewish reporters and Jewish Reddit that has been aggressive about it when Jews better than anyone else have created dozens, hundreds of intentional communities around the world.
They also have a nation state that is explicitly Jewish.
So it seems like a clear double standard.
You know, why is it not okay for us to do the same thing?
harrison smith
Yeah, and that includes neighborhoods inside New York and these sorts of things where Jews run their own sort of parallel legal system and they have their own police forces and all that sort of stuff.
Nobody has an issue with that.
And then I guess this is where your profile really exploded.
Or you tell me how it happened because this has been going, I mean, you've been doing Return of the Land for a few years now, right?
This isn't a new thing, but it's coming on a lot of people's radar because of this, I guess, a Reddit user found out about it and started making a big deal about it all over Reddit.
And that got attention of some mainstream sources.
So how long have you been doing this?
How long has this been going on?
And what happened with this Reddit user, you know, blowing up your spot and bringing a bunch of negative press to you?
eric orwoll
Right.
We are coming up on two years in October.
So yeah, we've been here doing our own thing, minding our own business, no real problems with locals.
Most people who know what we're doing were generally supportive of it, even if they wouldn't choose to do it themselves.
This Reddit user on r slash Jewish really took issue when he found out what we were doing.
I believe he found out about us through my YouTube videos or maybe an ex post or something like that.
And he basically single-handedly whipped up this harassment campaign.
So he started 20 separate threads on different subreddits calling on people to contact government, media groups, civil rights groups.
And, you know, some negative statements have come out from various groups, you know, Latino groups, Muslim groups, things like that.
But ironically, in the comments, I've noticed that mostly Latinos, Muslims, Blacks, other groups, they're totally in support of what we're doing.
You know, I constantly see comments like let them segregate.
You know, if they want to go do their own thing, they're leaving us alone.
So yeah, this guy whipped up this frenzy against us and some media did pick up the story.
We had actually already had Sky News come out.
I'm not sure how Tom Sheshai or the reporter there heard about us, but he contacted me and I said, sure, come down.
They were very friendly with us when they visited and we basically gave them full access.
And that was a decision on our part to go ahead And be open about what we're doing because we're not trying to hide anything.
We're not trying to get around the law.
We've done our darndest to abide by the Fair Housing Act and all the other discrimination law that people might try to turn against us.
And we think it's important that someone does stand up for our right to do this sort of thing.
harrison smith
Well, it just seems like that should be the response.
I mean, it's the same response I have when I hear about Freedom Georgia.
It's like a bunch of black people want to go create a town.
Good for them.
Why would I care?
What does that have to do with me?
Why is this such a threat?
Why is what you're doing with return to the land so objectionable to so many people?
Again, I understand the anti-white sentiment that prevails in this country.
And so people just have a knee-jerk reaction when they hear white only.
It's like, evil, that must be evil.
But how did we get to that point?
And again, I just, I can't understand it because I try to treat people like I like to be treated.
And I can't understand the hypocrisy of seeing a group of black people doing it and going, good for them.
You see a bunch of white people doing it and going, this must be stopped.
We have to stop this.
It's like, what's wrong with y'all?
If it's good for them, it's good for them.
Leave everybody alone.
How do you respond to that?
eric orwoll
Yeah, I really can't even understand the moral inclination to want to attack a group like us where we are minding our own business.
Like what exactly is morally wrong with what we're doing?
And I think it's a matter of association.
You know, people rightly, I think, criticize the forced regime of racial segregation in America's past.
They rightly criticize slavery.
And because what we're doing involves voluntary segregation, there's that common term segregation.
Their knowledge of it is all bad, right?
It's like a bad connotation with that word.
And now because we want to do the same thing voluntarily, not forcing anything on anyone else, just being around our own people.
And because we are the group that in America's past enforced a kind of legal regime of segregation, it's sort of guilt by association.
Now we're not allowed to do it.
Even though there are Native American reservations, like, why do you think it's a good thing that we gave Native Americans their own space and they should be allowed to voluntarily segregate if they choose?
But then for us, it's totally morally bad.
They won't really acknowledge that it's a punishment for like the sins of our ancestors.
Some people will go so far as to openly admit that, but they tend to kind of cloak it in this idea that, you know, racism is always bad, but then the definition of racism is always changing.
You know, I used to think of racism as judging someone solely on the basis of race.
And, you know, when you judge someone, it's for a purpose.
So there are some things where race might be relevant.
You know, if you are casting for a movie that's set in like medieval England, you're probably not going to cast a Nigerian guy.
In some cases, actually, you do judge on the basis of race.
And especially for communities that want to maintain cultural traditions, you know, cultural traditions evolve in particular groups of people.
So we're enthusiastic about our particular tradition.
We want to make sure that it survives and also that our people survive.
And I think that's a very natural inclination and no one should have a problem with it.
harrison smith
Well, I agree.
And, you know, I can't help but see integration as it's existed for my whole life is sort of a giant lie anyway.
We're really not integrated as a society in any meaningful way.
Like I went to a really big public school in Houston, sort of an inner city school, and I was half in the regular classes, half in the gifted classes.
My gifted classes, there would be one black kid and the rest of the kids were white.
In the regular classes, I'd be the only white kid and everybody else is black.
So it's like, all right, this school, for all intents and purposes, is still completely segregated.
It's just they both have to be managed by the same administration.
So, I mean, even the idea of like that they forced integration through busing in the 70s.
You go to the public school in America now, it's still segregated.
You go to churches, they're still segregated.
Neighborhoods are still largely segregated.
It's pretty much natural human inclination to want to be around people that you are similar to genetically, physically, mentally.
It just makes sense.
And it seems like all of the forced integration hasn't even succeeded in their stated goals in the first place because schools, for all intents and purposes, are still segregated.
They just have different labels for it.
And it just makes the whole administration of the one school with two populations completely inadequate.
eric orwoll
Yeah, right.
I mean, it would be more efficient really to allow different groups of people to have their own institutions, the gifted classes, ordinary classes.
Also, like history.
Some people might care more about African history.
They might want to have that emphasized.
Some people might care more about the history of East Asia, and that could be emphasized.
Allowing people to have their own schools, go their own way.
With religious education, most people are generally supportive of that.
So I think it is more efficient to allow groups to manage their own affairs in those domains of American life that are the most voluntary.
There is the most segregation.
People do naturally do this.
Churches are the most segregated area in American life.
So it's clear that in people's demonstrated preference, they're conscious of some kind of sentiment of in-group loyalty or just preference for their own group.
And I really don't get why that's supposed to be a bad thing.
When I get more conspiratorial with it, I look at what's going on in Western Europe and I say, this isn't just an accident.
It's happening specifically to people of European ancestry.
And what it looks like is that they're trying to deprive us of our own habitats.
You know, if you wanted to kill off a species, you would eliminate its natural habitat.
And, you know, people will say, well, you know, whites aren't going to disappear, but then they write books like on the nature of whiteness, where in the future, what's considered white will be more brown.
It's like, you are talking about a very gradual process of ethnic cleansing and replacing us.
And there's even explicit UN documents, I'm pretty sure, about replacement migration.
So I don't think it's accidental.
And surely, you know, return to the land, part of our motive is to make sure that we have our own habitat for our own people in an explicit way.
Because, yeah, by not allowing those explicit white spaces, you're essentially depriving us of our own ability to maintain our own identity.
harrison smith
It makes perfect sense to me.
I think it's pretty undeniable at this point that it's absolutely intentional.
I mean, it's not even that you have to speculate.
They literally give speeches where they say it.
I mean, hell, Joe Biden, famous Cliff Him going, white men are never going to be the majority again.
And that's a good thing.
Like, it's very clearly an attack on white people.
Hence, why I've never felt bad about defending white people.
Why would you not defend the people that are under attack?
But obviously, 60 years of psychological programming has gone into convincing people that that's evil or wrong.
I think we need to get over that.
I personally, I like living in a city.
I like a little bit of diversity.
Again, I grew up in Houston, so just like the most diverse city in the country.
But I also like going to places with a lot of white people and experiencing that as well.
And I don't want those places to go away.
And I wonder what has been the effect?
Because like I said, I was sort of aware of what you were doing, but you didn't have a major public profile.
Then I guess it all starts with this.
It was really, it was the Jewish community on Reddit.
It was r slash Jewish is where the original post came from.
And then, you know, you've got a lot of publicity.
There's a story yesterday from the hill, backlash as whites only group plans Missouri expansion.
So you've gotten a lot of attention about this in the recent past.
How's that affected your work, your ability to do this?
Has it helped?
Has it hurt?
How are you responding to the increased awareness of your program?
eric orwoll
Things have gotten a lot busier for sure.
On the whole, it looks like it has basically helped us.
And also the general public online seems to be mostly on our side.
You know, Sky News, they tried to make a hit piece, but if you go in the YouTube comments for their video, everyone's saying what we're saying, like, why is this an issue?
Why are you guys mad about this?
So I think the public absolutely sees the logic behind whites also being able to have our own spaces.
If it's good for blacks, if it's good for Jews, good for Native Americans, why not us?
Now, we've gotten a lot of financial support as well.
So we now have a large legal budget that we are actively using to engage in research on a variety of fronts to make sure that, you know, if we are eventually sued, we'll have already arranged our structure so that we are resilient to whatever's coming on the side of obviously discrimination law, real estate law, securities law, just across the board.
So we're trying to cover all our bases.
And it's sort of ridiculous that it even is necessary to engage in thousands and thousands of dollars worth of legal research to even just have a white neighborhood.
My ideal scenario would be that return to the land is unnecessary and we don't need to form intentional communities like this.
We can simply choose to live together and that would be cool with everyone.
I think we could get there.
I think there is a lot of pushback against the civil rights regime now.
You know, there's still PR that people feel positively about the idea of civil rights and equality, but that's not what the Civil Rights Act actually enforces.
What it ended up bringing in is this regime of affirmative action and racial quotas, where now we are explicitly legally judging people on the basis of their skin color and their race, where, you know, just allowing everyone to do their own thing, that's what I'm in favor of, which is true equality under the law.
You know, if race shouldn't matter, then why do racial quotas matter?
You know, you're telling me simultaneously that I shouldn't care about my race, but also it's very important that X percentage of employees in this corporation are black.
Like why, according to the same logic, why does that even matter?
And I've come to the conclusion, you know, millions of people have encountered what we're doing.
Some people have a vocal minority have spoken out against us.
A lot of people, more people have voiced support.
But out of all those thousands of people who don't like what we're doing, no one has offered to say, you know, debate me on what we're doing.
Is it ethical?
I'll defend it from first principles.
You know, I'm into philosophy.
What is the moral ground of their position?
Why is it wrong to do things like this?
And they can't argue that position and they won't argue that position.
So all they can do is smear us and misrepresent us and try to spook the public about us.
But I think we've gone about this in a smart enough way, in a humble enough way.
We're just in a rural area in Arkansas.
All the judges around here are very conservative.
The public around here has no problem with what we're doing.
By and large, you know, there are some people who object naturally.
But basically, it's only helped us.
So thank you to that one Jewish Reddit user, really.
harrison smith
Well, you know, so in the short term, you're going to benefit, but obviously there are now gears working behind the scenes.
I'm sure there are attorney generals looking into this.
I'm sure the ADL has a task force on you now.
You're probably headed for some rough waters in the future.
I'm sure you're aware of this and you're setting aside a legal fund to deal with it.
But I want to talk to you about how you deal with the legal issues.
Even when you look at something like Oranya, I mean, they've been so successful.
They've been such a shining example of sort of what you're trying to do.
And yet you hear the South African government right now and they're saying, we're going to take it.
We're going to go and take Oranya.
And they're not going to be able to keep that from us.
Even though, I mean, they literally had nothing to do with it.
They provided nothing.
They excluded themselves.
They built it all themselves.
The black leaders of South Africa have no right to Oranya, but they're going to try to take it and they're marching to Oranya to try to take it.
So, I mean, how feasible is escape from this society?
Or do you think you're setting yourself up for failure?
Do you think that you'll be able to maintain this redoubt?
Or how are you going to deal with the legal and possibly even physical attacks?
Because obviously, if you take Oranya as an example, it doesn't matter how right you do it.
They're going to want it eventually, right?
eric orwoll
Yes, if we don't take control of the public conversation.
But I think with the openness of social media nowadays, our voice does get out there.
And it's not just white people who see the reason in what we're doing.
There are a lot of blacks, Hispanics, Asians, Muslims who believe what we're doing is perfectly fine.
In fact, they would like the right to do the same kind of thing for themselves.
So we have to be aggressive in defending our rights up to the limit, which is, that's the tact that we've gone with.
You know, someone has to push up right to what is potentially going to get them in trouble.
So we're on that borderline.
The public conversation is getting louder about it.
unidentified
We're more people.
harrison smith
We got to get aware of what's going on.
We'll be back with Eric Orwal.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
We got a good commercial break and we'll be right back with more.
Don't go anywhere.
unidentified
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
harrison smith
My guest is Eric Orwal.
You can find him on X at AARVOL underscore.
That's A-A-R-V-O-L-L underscore or returntotheland.org.
That's the website for his organization.
He's creating a, what do you call it, an independent community, an intentional community?
Can you explain that phrase?
It's sort of self-explanatory, but why do you use that phrase to describe what you're doing?
eric orwoll
I was always interested in intentional communities.
It's been a longstanding movement in the U.S. That's the branding of it in recent decades.
But really, intentional community is how our country was founded.
It was people setting out a charter, you know, doing something consciously, getting a group together and founding something like that.
There are dozens of intentional communities around the country founded on various principles.
One of our co-founders, Peter Siri, he founded an intentional community about 10 years ago in South America, and that was around diet.
At the time, he was a vegan.
He only ate fruit.
So that was a fruititarian community that he founded.
So people found intentional communities for different reasons.
And we've chosen to found one on the basis of our shared ancestry.
harrison smith
And so, you know, we were talking the last segment.
I'm sorry you got cut off.
So I want to let you finish your thoughts because I asked you about Irania because I've done a lot of segments on this show talking about Irania and sort of showing like as successful as you can be, you can see that the South African government is eyeing it for expropriation.
And, you know, if they want to, they're going to, they're going to go in and just take it all.
So, you know, to me, I see that and I go, okay, we can't just run away.
You can't just run away and create a community because they're going to come for you.
Even if you're not bothering anybody, even if you do it all yourself, at a certain point, you know, the people that want it are going to come and try to take it.
And so, again, I'm not trying to like, you know, poo-poo your programs.
I think you seem to be incredibly successful so far.
I mean, even lasting two years, that's an accomplishment.
Most organizations don't last two years.
So I'm not trying to like, you know, throw rain on your parade, but I'm sure you've thought about that.
And how do you deal with that eventuality that like people don't want this and those people have power and they're going to try to stop you?
How do you contend with that eventuality?
eric orwoll
Yeah, I think the people who don't want this and are pushing against it are losing power on the whole.
I think decentralized social media and open social media is allowing our voice to get out there.
And public sentiment, I think, is actually firmly on our side.
So if our case does go to court, you know, we're in Arkansas for a reason.
Everyone is conservative here.
All the judges are conservative.
I think we would fare very well in court in Arkansas if it came to that.
And even if we didn't, we would keep it going up the appeals process until, hey, you could see a Supreme Court case out of someone trying to sue us.
And I think this is the cultural climate with the best odds of success.
It's not guaranteed, you know, certainly, but it's the best shot that I can see for trying to preserve our ability to have our own independence as a people.
So if it doesn't go well, not all is lost.
Essentially, we'll have forced the establishment to go full mask off.
When it came to the justification for civil rights law, Fair Housing Act, where businesses are not allowed to choose their customers and neighborhoods are not allowed to choose their community members.
The justification was, well, you're depriving people of color of opportunities.
So if a black man is traveling across the country and hotels are allowed to discriminate, well, then he might not be able to find safe lodging and that's just not right.
And so we have to force hotels to accept, which sure, in that case, there's a valid legal argument to that.
But then when you keep creeping with that same logic to the extent where we can't even have our own private intentional community where we're not selling real estate, you know, we have, we formed a corporation that owns our land here and we own shares in that corporation.
And, you know, we don't own our lots, be simple.
We, We've developed this whole legal structure to make it very clear: like, we are an intentional community celebrating our identity.
We're not real estate developers selling lots and land.
Now, that's the angle of attack probably that they would use.
But if they do attack us on that basis, considering how much effort we went through trying to do this legally, I think the public will see that it is simply illegal to have a white community.
And they've gotten around just the explicit statement, like, no, you're not allowed to do your own thing by saying it's about depriving others of opportunity.
In this case, this was raw land.
There was no housing here.
We built everything from scratch.
So if we're not even allowed to do that and we're not selling real estate and we're not renting to the public or anything like that, we're not doing business with the public.
Well, then they've gone full mask off.
And then I think this kind of conservative backlash and anti-established establishment backlash will be taken to new levels, levels the establishment, I don't think, wants to see.
harrison smith
Yeah.
And I mean, obviously, not only is the landscape shifting under our feet as we speak, it's happening like way more rapidly than I even expected.
I think a couple of months ago, I put out a tweet saying, you know, I think by 2028, there will be an explicitly pro-white candidate who will be winning elections in America.
And there could be multiple, just because you see the way that people are no longer, you know, putting up with the obvious discrepancy where they're writing articles going, congratulations, 97% of the new executive hire were all non-white people.
And it's like white people are sitting here going, wait, why are we taking this again?
Why is everybody else allowed to speak for themselves and have ethnic interest groups and we're not?
Like that hypocrisy is sort of becoming, you know, people are becoming aware of it.
And I think 2028 may have been, I might not have been ambitious enough.
It might be 2026 that we're seeing politicians running saying, I will help our white community maintain our values and traditions.
And I want to play a video.
It's just a minute and 30 seconds, but I see this as a total watershed, unprecedented happening in American government.
This is Representative Eric Schmidt talking about how the civil rights movement and the Civil Rights Act has been used to discriminate against white people.
Again, this is something that's been imminently observable for everybody paying attention.
Like it's just obvious that white people have been discriminated against for a long time.
And now people are recognizing it.
And I think, you know, like a snowball rolling down the hill, the bigger it goes, the bigger it gets, the faster it goes.
The bigger it gets, the faster it goes.
Like it's just going to accelerate as people sort of reject this false understanding that white people are not allowed to see themselves as a group worthy of having their own interests.
So I want to go to this short one-minute video from Eric Schmidt and your response on the other side.
Here's a congressman talking about white interests for the first time in my life.
Let's watch.
eric schmitt
Let me begin with a hard but necessary truth.
For at least the last decade, America's civil rights laws have been used not to prohibit discrimination, but to institutionalize it.
The modern civil rights regime, both inside and outside of government, has been wielded like a weapon, not to safeguard the equal rights of all citizens, but to engineer a radical new social order built upon the deliberate dispossession of huge swaths of our country.
Rather than protecting the constitutional order of the founders, it has become the vanguard of a revolution in the political, legal, social, and even moral underpinnings of American society.
The revolution has gone by many names.
Affirmative action, anti-racism, social justice.
Today, it most commonly is referred to as diversity, equity, and inclusion, or DEI.
But whatever the name is, in every instance, it amounts to the same thing.
A new racial caste system sanctioned and enforced by the administrative state.
Americans never voted for any of this.
It slunk in through the back door, cloaked in bureaucratic doublespeak and soothing euphemisms.
But today, it has wrapped itself around all the great institutions of American life.
Our schools, our businesses, our government, and even our armed forces.
harrison smith
So there's Representative Eric Schmidt talking about a new racial caste system that we're all familiar with and recognize, and most of us despise.
Now, he says huge swaths of the country.
So he's still not saying white people, even though it's obvious that's who he's talking about.
So we're not quite there yet.
But how do you see the general tidal shift of American politics happening?
And how does your program, Return to the Land, play into that or contravene that or contribute to that in any way?
eric orwoll
Yeah, I actually reposted that clip from Schmidt.
I think it's very encouraging to see.
And it's not an isolated incident.
There was a court decision against affirmative action in college admissions a few months back.
And I think people understand the injustice of these racial quotas.
People don't yet understand how pervasive it is in the corporate world.
You know, people are familiar with some basic numbers, like the fact that less than 10% of new hires at Fortune 500 companies are white men.
So there's enough pieces of the puzzle that the public is beginning to take issue with this whole regime and apparatus.
They just haven't been adequately informed about how deep it goes, you know, to the extent where people might wonder, you know, in advertising, why are they constantly overrepresenting certain groups and underrepresenting white men?
And it's because legally it's safer for them to do that.
If advertisers don't adequately reflect the makeup of the area that they're displaying their ad in, then they can be sued for millions or even billions of dollars.
Corporations who don't hire enough non-whites can be sued for billions of dollars.
There has never been an affirmative action or DEI type lawsuit directed against a company that didn't have enough whites.
It only ever goes one way.
And I think that uncovering of the depth and power of this civil rights regime, DEI regime, is the job of people like us who are speaking publicly about this injustice.
So, you know, I was in communities online that were getting red-pilled, so to speak, on some of these issues years ago.
And there are different phases in that process.
At first, you break the previous conditioning.
You break down your old belief, the naive belief in the propaganda that you received.
Then you start to think critically.
You become curious.
You replace your old beliefs with new, better informed positions.
But it takes time for that to kind of sink in.
And you're willing to now behave differently, act differently, speak up.
And you have to reach a critical mass for that point to be reached.
And I think we're pretty much getting there.
And I think what's happening with Return to the Land is absolutely going to be a driver going forward.
If they sue us, that is only going to open this conversation even wider.
harrison smith
Yeah.
And Giggs, that was sort of my next question is, is what is next for Return to the Land?
And, you know, I really enjoyed your conversation with Nick Fuentes.
And for anybody that follows Nick, you know, there's a funny sort of parallel with InfoWars because Nick's sort of idea is we need elite human capital.
We need to be taking over the institutions.
And I tend to agree with that.
You have more of a, so it's sort of the top down from the bottom up distinction.
And you're sort of the bottom up.
We need to just sort of get the basics down, the foundations, build communities.
Nick's talking about going.
And so it was really interesting to hear you guys talk about that.
And I've always said that Infowars has this two-prong approach where we want to change things at the legal level.
We want people to be active and go out and run for office and protest and bring attention to everybody so you can change things legally through the government or institutions or create your own organizations while simultaneously protecting yourself and your family by doing water filters, protecting yourself from the poison.
So it's this two-pronged approach of you need to protect yourself and your family from the immediate danger that you face while also working to change things systematically through policy, through, you know, through policy and action.
So can you talk a little bit about like what the plans are for the future of Return to the Land?
And do you see this as being part of a wider national push for, you know, I would call it an anti-discrimination push to stop white people from being destroyed in our own countries?
How do you see the future of Return to the Land?
eric orwoll
Yeah, I have emphasized that bottom-up side because it's basically what's within my power.
But the bottom-up absolutely complements the top-down.
You know, if we are in the communities, we can elect local representatives.
If we have grassroots organizations, we can engage in door knocking more effectively, even than mainstream candidates who have big money behind them, because we have belief and honesty, and we're willing to go out and get personally involved.
And that's what building these bottom-up communities provides.
It's a base that then can act as political leverage for large-scale change.
So we're currently planning a few other full-time residential communities, especially in Appalachia and the Pacific Northwest.
Those communities will likely be on the ground running in the next six months.
Of course, we'll see how it actually goes.
Beyond that, I'm planning a tour around the country to help organize not just full-time residence communities, but also recreational areas and community centers.
I think white people who care about their identity need some aspect of their daily life that changes because they have decided, I'm going to stand behind this.
Like they've heard the news, they've learned about the injustice in the system.
They want to do something about it.
But right now, there's nowhere they can show up.
So I want to make sure there are places where people can show up and contribute.
And it's not like we get together and burn crosses and use racial slurs.
No, we get together, we build nice community centers, we host sporting events, we host recitals and talent shows.
That's what we do at our events here.
We've always had talent shows and seminars on different cultural things.
So I think that is a worthwhile project, even if it wasn't for the sake of top-down political change.
And it's not that it's for the sake of that.
For me, the purpose of all of this is having communities where we can maintain our people, our tradition, basically every society throughout history.
If you look at any myth, what is the goal of the hero to protect the village, to preserve the existence of his people and their traditional ways?
And sometimes to bring new technology or new ideas and lead to a modification, but it's never the good thing to do is to replace our village with totally different villagers.
That's never been the goal of any society.
harrison smith
So not being an entertaining heroic story.
Yeah.
eric orwoll
No, not at all.
It's interesting.
The new Moana kind of teased that that was the goal was like mass immigration to their island.
I don't know if you saw the Moana film.
harrison smith
I avoided that luckily.
Well, no, but it's interesting what you say because, and it's funny to me because as you're talking, what I'm thinking is like, I'm thinking about my Jewish friends that all spend a lot of time at the Jewish Community Center.
There are Jewish community centers in every state.
And all of my Jewish friends, they all either take classes there or teach classes there or just spend time there.
And it's a very useful thing.
And it's one of those things that I see how their community has a place to go and to be around.
And I think that'd be nice.
That'd be nice to have.
And of course, we have church.
We go to church and stuff, but It's a little bit different.
I do wonder, I mean, it seems like what you're doing, a lot of people do it all around the country, but it usually has to do with like a religious, you know, there are religious communities.
There are, you know, communities that organize around a concept or an idea.
Obviously, it's the fact that there's a racial aspect to yours that makes the mainstream media treat it as objectionable.
But how do you join your community?
I mean, how do you how does it work?
Do you determine whether somebody's allowed to come or not?
And do you look at who they are and what they believe?
Do you look at just their race?
I mean, how do you determine who is allowed to be in your community and how would somebody apply?
Like, just how does that work?
The crew wants to know if Myron Gaines would be allowed.
Would Myron Gaines be allowed in your community?
How strict are the rules here?
eric orwoll
I'm not a big follower of Myron, so I don't know what his views are in particular or his race for that matter.
We are an association for people of European heritage, both genetically and culturally.
So it's not simply on the basis of your race.
You also have to positively affirm that European Western cultural tradition, which involves Greek philosophy, Roman engineering, Christian values, the whole kind of swath classical music.
Not that you only have to listen to Bach or anything, but you want to embody those Western, particularly Western virtues.
And there are some things that are universal across the board, but we're looking for people who value the Western path.
Just like there are Eastern paths that you can take and traditions you can follow, there is a Western civilizational path and tradition that we want to emphasize.
So a big factor is, of course, are you genetically, ethnically European?
Do you adhere to traditional European values like monogamy?
You know, we wouldn't accept a polygamist.
We wouldn't accept someone who promoted LGBT values.
That's never been traditional.
People try to ascribe that to ancient Greece and Rome.
When you actually get deep into the evidence, they had practices that we in our relatively degenerate mindset interpret to be homosexual relationships, but pederasty was really more of like a teaching relationship than anything.
Sometimes there was some homoeroticism, let's be honest, but it was never drag queen story hour or marching in the street virtually nude and just explicitly promoting things that are not natural for the human body.
So monogamy, heterosexual, normative family structures, the nuclear family, we appreciate especially people who value that pioneering spirit that is unique to our experience as Americans.
And also because we are developing raw land, it would be helpful if you were into homesteading and that sort of thing.
But people join the association all the time who have no intention of immediately moving down and building a cabin or anything.
We have big events every year for members where we appreciate European culture.
We network.
We build together.
We have work parties and stuff like that.
So it's a case-by-case basis that we decide on.
The board of managers, we interview people, we look at the application they fill out and reach a decision.
We also have very strict procedures that we follow if anyone has to be kicked out.
So that's, you know, people are given notice, the board votes, members vote.
So we've tried to do things in a fair way.
But yeah, absolutely.
It is a European ancestry association and a European cultural tradition association.
harrison smith
You know, as you're talking, it reminded me of this post that's gone viral recently from at Old Books Guy on Acts.
He says, you know, step one, humans suffer from recurring problem.
Then Eureka, a solution is found.
That solution becomes a tradition.
Future generations don't have that problem anymore.
Since they can't see the problem, they think the tradition is just something useless.
So the tradition gets thrown away for efficiency or progress.
And then the problem comes back.
And I feel like that is what's happening so much in America where, you know, they treat the idea that like a mother and a father being together and raising a child is just some superstition that we've been passed down to.
And it's like, no, that we've determined through generation upon generation of trial and error, this is actually the best way to do things.
This is actually the best outcomes for happiness, for prosperity, for safety, for health.
This is what you're supposed to do.
And yet people just see this as like some arbitrary superstition that's been imposed upon us.
But no, these traditions are traditions for a reason.
We want to uphold those and maintain those, not because of bigotry, but because we want to raise successful and happy families.
So I think that's a beautiful thing to point out too.
So of course, you can follow Eric Orwell on X at A-A-R-V-O-L-L underscore.
The website is returntotheland.org.
I'll be watching your progress with a lot of interest.
And I hope you're able to weather the storm that's probably coming because if you are able to succeed with what you're doing, that is a major threat to the powers that be who rely on us being separate from each other and dislocated and individualistic and atomized and incapable of acting as a community.
Final thoughts, Eric, on what's ahead and what you want people to know about your program.
eric orwoll
Yeah, absolutely.
I appreciate you having me on.
I'm a big fan of InfoWars.
It's sort of surreal to be a guest on InfoWars after watching it for years and years.
But yeah, I mean, we're an association for our tradition.
If you appreciate that tradition, you don't necessarily have to move down here, but you can network with us.
You can get involved in future projects, recreational lands, community centers, things like that.
We want it to be a big tent.
You know, we accept Christians, European pagans, people who are agnostic.
Most of us are Christians, and we tend to align around Christian values more than other things, just like Western civilization has been.
But yeah, I mean, give us a try.
If anyone has a problem with our values, we're here to talk, and I think we need more discourse between these opposing sides.
I don't have a lot of optimism there, but I'm perfectly willing to talk.
harrison smith
Hey, the conversation has started.
Thank you so much for being with us.
That's going to do it for us, folks.
Stay tuned.
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