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As Zero Hedge reported in a sophisticated cyber attack, Chinese-linked hackers exploited a zero-day vulnerability in Microsoft SharePoint to breach the U.S. National Nuclear Security Administration, the agency responsible for maintaining the nation's nuclear weapons stockpile.
The attack affected over 50 organizations globally, including government agencies and energy companies.
Microsoft identified two Chinese state-sponsored groups, Linen Typhoon and Violet Typhoon, along with another China-based group, Storm2603, as the perpetrators.
Meanwhile, Bill Gates, BlackRock, and Nestle are quietly consolidating control over essential water resources.
Bill Gates' extensive acquisition of farmland, including areas with significant aquifers, opens the door for a strategic move to control water access, raising questions about the motives behind such investments beyond mere agricultural productivity.
bill gates
Over 2.5 billion people have no access to safe sanitation.
We asked brilliant engineers to help us solve this problem, and one of those engineers actually has proposed a solution where the waste is valuable.
jon bowne
Chinese investors are gobbling up America's heartland, and the alarm bells are finally ringing.
As of 2023, the USDA reports a staggering 383,935 acres of U.S. soil in the hands of Chinese entities, farmlands, forests, key spy locations.
lily tang williams
Hey, I'm at Nashua Airport and just want to show you, it's a long runway and across street is Daniel Webster College right here.
There are some buildings rented out and purchased by Chinese nationals 2018 and combined with that the water bottle plan that the richest man from China bought it in Nashua.
Both locations are within 100 miles radiance to joint base in Cape Cod.
This is listed as a military installation and joint base supposed to be reviewed by the federal government.
jon bowne
Texas is hit hardest with 123,708 acres, followed by North Carolina, Missouri, Utah, and Florida.
The WH Group, a Chinese conglomerate, owns nearly 90,000 acres through Smithfield Foods, sprawling across 10 states.
But it gets worse.
The Fufang Group's shady 370-acre grab near North Dakota's Grand Forks Air Force Base and a Chinese billionaire's 100,000-acre Texas wind farm scheme were fortunately stopped cold by state law, revealing a full-blown national security threat.
laurence sanford
The Chinese group called Fufeng purchased 300 acres to build a corn mill factory within 10 miles of this Air Force basin.
And that land in North Dakota is flat.
So basically, if you sit on a tower, you can see what's going on at the base.
But even more ominously, you can have equipment on the land listening to the communications.
And this particular Air Force base is a hub for worldwide communications in the Air Force and also is a worldwide facility for the drones.
If the Americans can't buy land in China, then the Chinese should not be able to buy land in America.
jon bowne
The sleeping giant has been slowly waking up.
And now in July of 2025, President Trump's National Farm Security Action Plan dropped a bombshell, banned Chinese and other hostile nations from buying our farmland, and claw back what they've already got.
lee zeldin
Another one of President Trump's greatest accomplishments was the groundbreaking United States-Mexico-Canada trade agreement that replaced NAFTA, improved supply chain resiliency, and put America's farmers first.
It has been reported that the U.S.-MCA trade deal led to $2 billion in annual increases for the U.S. in agricultural exports to Canada and Mexico, with an overall increase of $65 billion in gross farmers and ranchers.
jon bowne
Bills like the Pass Act, which sailed through the Senate in 2024, and the Farm Act are supercharging Trump's action plan.
unidentified
It's Monday, July 28th in the year of our Lord 2025.
And you're listening to the American Journal with your host, Harrison Smith.
Watch it live right now at band.video.
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harrison smith
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
Coming to you live this Monday morning here at the tail end of July.
unidentified
We had a lot to talk about today.
harrison smith
It happens to be one of those days.
I'm hoping things turn around for me.
And we got a lot of news over the weekend, and I always have trouble Monday mornings because I got a whole weekend worth of news to get through.
So I thought I'd prepare a little bit.
Sunday night.
Compiled a bunch of stories, downloaded a bunch of videos, went to bed early, had all of these things in mind.
I was like, all right, you know, my kids are always coming into our room, wanting to sleep in our bed.
I'm going to sleep on the couch just to get uninterrupted full night's sleep.
I'm going to have my phone here.
I had it all like laid out because I was like, I got to get there early today.
Or on Monday, I got to get there early just to compile and try to wrap my head around this whole weekend's worth of bombshell news.
And then it was like everything that I tried to do somehow backfired.
Like I tried to have my phone right next to my head On the couch armrest, and it like fell behind the cushion somehow, which apparently silenced the alarm.
It was like a whole series of unintended consequences for me trying to be irresponsible and to wake up extra early.
Instead, all like foiled each other, like all my attempts to prepare foiled each other to where I just slept absolutely through my alarm.
But it's okay because, like I said, I compiled a bunch of stuff last night that occurred over the weekend, and it's just off the rails, off the hook, off the chain, off the reservation, off the charts.
It's just everything is insane.
Everything's completely insane.
We're going to talk a lot today about the UK online safety bill, which is absolutely absurd.
We'll be joined by Nick Spanos in the third hour.
He is the founder of the world's first Bitcoin exchange.
And we'll be taking your calls as well.
We'll begin today, as we do every day, with our Daily Dispatch.
Daily Dispatch All right, here it is, folks, to our daily dispatch for Monday, the 28th of July, 2025.
Trump doubles down on claims Harris paid for endorsements, says she should be prosecuted.
President Donald Trump called for the prosecution of Kamala Harris and celebrities like Beyonce for allegedly illegal payments during the 2024 campaign.
Trump repeated claims that paying for endorsements is totally illegal and alleged the Harris campaign misrepresented payments in spending records.
Federal campaign finance documents indicate that Harris' team paid $165,000 to Beyonce's production company for event-related expenses, a figure much lower than Trump's disputed claims of $11 million.
Beyonce and Oprah denied receiving endorsement payments, saying funds cover the production costs, while independent fact checks found no evidence supporting the $10 to $11 million claims.
But of course, this is old news.
I mean, this all came out pretty much as soon as the campaign was over.
Everybody in the Kamala Harris camp went rushing to the podcast networks to spill the tea on Kamala Harris and explain why.
Well, not really why, more like how, more like just how a campaign could be run in such a way.
How did you do it?
Because it was so bad.
It was like you had to try really hard to be that bad at what you were doing.
And of course, it was Kamala Harris's underlings and fixers and whatever were the ones who were saying, yeah, we paid celebrities for their endorsements.
As if this is even a question.
You remember the whole Beyonce fiasco where they said Beyonce would be giving a concert, but really she just gave like a really tepid 10-minute speech endorsing Kamala Harris.
And then everybody left because nobody actually cared about Kamala Harris.
They were just there for the bribe.
They were there for the free Beyonce concert that didn't actually happen.
You guys remember that?
Yeah, it was all a giant scam.
And of course, they bribed people for their endorsement.
And that's illegal.
You're supposed to bribe them through government contracts later.
Okay.
You don't just give them cash up front, Kamala, you idiot.
You give them a promissory note that they can later cash in for a position as treasury secretary or something like that.
You don't just give them cash and have them endorse you.
You have them endorse you and then you later give them the ambassadorship to Belgium.
Okay?
Learn how to play the game, Kamala.
Handing out cash like an amateur.
Meanwhile, COVID vaccines, quote, saved far fewer lives than first thought.
Oh, really?
Oh, you don't say.
No, you don't say.
New studies suggest true figures substantially more conservative than WHO's 14.4 million global estimate.
COVID vaccines saved far fewer lives than first thought.
A major new analysis has concluded with researchers criticizing aggressive mandates.
Well, I mean, I guess the question now is, did they save or kill more?
I mean, I know that we have had the data for a long time showing not only the absolutely astonishing rise in vaccine side effects right around the same time the COVID vaccine rolled out.
I know we've talked endlessly about the turbo cancer and just all of the endless death that the COVID vaccine has accidentally caused.
And the fact that the vaccine didn't actually stop you from getting COVID.
And in fact, the more vaccines you got, the more likely you were to get COVID.
I'm sorry, what am I listing again?
I'm sorry, what was I?
I was going to ask a question, I think, but I ended up just listing a few, a smattering, just a tiny little selection of just some of the problems with this gigantic attack against humanity.
Again, we can get back into that, but turns out, you know, billion, literally billions and billions of vaccines delivered saved less than 10 million people in the best possible outcome, less than 10 million people, perhaps significantly less, perhaps killing more than it ever, ever saved.
Meanwhile, brutal mob attack at Cincinnati Music Festival caught on video.
Woman left unconscious.
Police investigating.
The Cincinnati police are investigating a violent assault in the city's downtown area Sunday morning where a man and woman were attacked by a group, leaving the woman unconscious.
The incident captured in a disturbing video that has since gone viral has drawn strong condemnation from law enforcement officials.
Let me unbury the lead here.
White couple enjoying downtown jazz festival mobbed and assaulted by pack of black teenagers.
It's actually the story that happened here is that white people minding their own business and bothering nobody were set upon by a pack of rabid teenagers.
And there they're stomped in the head.
The woman was knocked out with a blow to the back of her head, which can often result in brain damage or death.
So yeah, we just have another collection of videos, yet another selection of world star hip-hop videos of nice white people doing nothing to anybody, being viciously and rapidly lynched by a mob of black people for absolutely No reason.
As far as I'm concerned, a crime probably worse than anything that happened to black people from the end of slavery until the civil rights movement.
And there's a woman just trying to stop her husband from being murdered, and she herself gets the back of her head cracked open on the concrete.
So the footage saw a man being repeatedly punched and kicked by multiple individuals in the middle of the street.
He's knocked to the ground, attempts to stand, but collapses again, clearly disoriented.
Later in the video, a woman checking on the injured man is suddenly grabbed from behind by another woman, punched in the face by a man.
Her head hits the pavement, and she appears to lose consciousness while bleeding from the mouth.
Now, the I don't know, like I said, it's like, you know, yeah, it's horrible.
Yeah, it's brutal, terrific.
It's also like not totally out of the ordinary.
And it's not a surprise of all the people sort of just standing around watching this happen and not actually intervening to help or even give the woman medical attention.
Just filming on their phones, heartless savages, horrible, horrible demon people.
I keep losing my train of thought.
Sorry, I keep like I'm going to say something and then that happens.
No, the shocking part isn't necessarily the fact that we have roving mobs of criminal children beating people up with impunity.
No, it's the fact that not a single mainstream media outlet even mentioned that this happened.
And as of last night, I know End Wokeness went through systematically, looked through every single news outlet you can think of, and just not a single one even ever mentioned this happen.
They didn't even mention it happened.
Now, if you reverse the races, if that ever happened, can you imagine?
Can you imagine if this world was even remotely accidentally similar to the world of the left thinks they live in?
You almost have to be in awe of their ability to so inversely perceive the world.
It's just crazy.
I'm just thinking about, it's like, okay, we live in a white supremacy world where every time you turn on the news, you have to hear a black person whining about how unsafe they feel and how dangerous it is to have, you know, white people existing around them.
And it's like, can you just, could you even imagine this, something like this ever happening?
Ever, even once, could you ever possibly in a million years imagine just like a nice black couple walking down the street when they're just set upon by a mob of white children just beating the crap out of them and slamming their face into the pavement?
It's just so far beyond the possibility of ever even happening.
But could you imagine if it would?
Not a single report about this incident from CNN, from NBC, MSNBC, Fox News, Wall Street Journal, New York Times, just none of them felt it was worth it to highlight the plight of innocent people in an American city being viciously beaten by a mob of strangers.
Really tells you all you need to know.
Kind of like how.
I mean, just imagine, imagine being the type of person that genuinely thinks like our country is run by Nazis.
They genuinely think there was a video of people put up like an inflatable Elon caricatures outside of his Tesla diner and they're doing the Nazi salute.
Imagine being so lost in the delusion.
You genuinely think that the American government in 2025 are a bunch of literal goose-stepping Nazis.
It's like it gives you, I mean, just imagine, just imagine, try, try to, you know, imagine this without having your mind devolve into some Lovecraftian, you know, horror coma.
Try to imagine a world in which you genuinely think that the American government is run by white supremacist Nazis and that black people are under constant threat of being randomly and viciously attacked by white people.
And it just, it gives you a, gives you a little bit of insight into how we've gone so far off the rails when you really think about the perspective of the world these people have and how it literally could not be more wrong.
Anyway, anyway, we'll get back to that.
Israel announces humanitarian pauses to alleviate global outrage after Gaza famine.
Amid mounting international outrage over its deliberate famine in Gaza, which has been killing Palestinians at an increasingly visible and alarming rate, the Israeli military announced a so-called series of so-called humanitarian measures over the weekend.
Oh, no.
Oh, Lord.
What does this mean?
These include controversial airdrops, limited daily tactical pauses in fighting from 10 a.m. to 8 p.m., and the opening of corridors for UN aid convoys.
Israel announced the measures in response to the backlash against its efforts to starve Palestinians in Gaza, which has intensified in recent days.
A growing number of images of skeletal child corpses are circulating online, as well as a number of victims of Israel's blockade and siege of the Strip continues to rise.
On Friday, a five-month-old Palestinian baby suffering from malnutrition, Zayab Abu Halib, died in his mother's arms while doctors are running out of room inside hospitals as they try to treat starving patients.
127 people, including 85 children, have died from hunger and severe malnutrition since the beginning of the war in Gaza.
Again, we can get back into this, but the trend continues that we identified last week of these European countries, which have always had a tepid opposition to Israel.
Like they'll in general be like, well, we wish Israel would tamp it down a little bit, but then nothing would actually come of it.
There's actually some pretty big moves to establish a Palestinian state.
Apparently, France secretly met with Hamas leaders in negotiations, talk about creating a globally internationally recognized Palestinian state that could be a member of the UN.
The Netherlands recently listed Israel as one of the countries that is a significant threat to them, which is pretty interesting.
The UK has announced they intend to support the creation of a Palestinian state.
Mark Carney, the prime minister of Canada, has come out to condemn Israel for its actions and to get on the international train of condemnation against this.
So it looks like something's happening here.
Now, I doubt Israel will actually pay the warranted price for what they're doing.
If any other country has been caught deliberately starving children to death by the hundreds, it wouldn't be a slap on the wrist.
It wouldn't be a wag of the finger.
It would probably be full-scale war.
That's obviously not going to happen with Israel for a variety of different reasons.
See, you know, click the link here to blackmail pedophile rings.
So they're probably not going to actually pay any significant price, but even the fact that these European countries are condemning Israel and going so far out of their way to support the Palestinians is something pretty new in the history of Israel.
Again, we'll get back into what exactly that entails later.
And finally, we have this.
This is probably the biggest story from over the weekend.
The censorship of the UK is reaching truly Soviet levels.
From Infowars.com, see the videos and images censored by the UK government as they implement the Draconian Online Safety Act.
Footage is being censored in the UK featuring heavy-handed police crackdown on citizens showing up to hotels to protest the illegal migrant invasion as many grow fed up after a 38-year-old Ethiopian migrant sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl.
The videos are being censored under the new controversial Online Safety Act, which was promoted as a way to prevent children from being exposed to graphic content on the internet.
But now it's being used to hide the tyranny of the state, the massive public uproar, and the ongoing invasion.
So again, we've been warning about this forever.
They've been incrementally implementing this plan for a very long time through things like the DSA in the EU with its headquarters in Ireland that we've warned about for a while, the Online Safety Act that's now been implemented.
That's just completely destroying the ability of the average person in the UK to even understand what the hell is going on around them.
And it really is astonishing and wide-reaching.
It seems like maybe what they're doing is just like they implement this and then just everything gets censored outright.
Like everything, everything.
And Andy No, I think is in the UK, apparently, and posted a picture of what his Twitter homepage looks like.
And there's just no tweets.
Every single place where there would be a post, there's instead a little warning saying, this content is not available in your country due to the Online Safety Act.
So just outright blatant censorship.
And that really is just the tip of the sphere.
And I don't know if they're going to like fine-tune it to where it's like they implement it so everything gets censored and then they come in and sort of go, well, this shouldn't have been censored.
This shouldn't have been censored.
But at first, they just do sort of a better safe than sorry approach and just censor everything.
And now they're going to start sort of ratching in it back.
That would make sense for a, in a, you know, psychological strategy.
matt infowars
I feel like what the UK government's trying to do here is trying to find people's pain point.
Right.
Well, you know, the point to where they've got the most control to where they won't have people in the streets like what we're seeing right here.
harrison smith
Right.
matt infowars
Pile it back just enough.
harrison smith
Yeah, exactly.
Go way too far and then sort of pull it back a little bit.
And so, you know, then if like only half the stuff is censored, the people will go, well, I mean, at least it's only half, right?
Yesterday it was everything was censored.
So now that I have half, I feel like that's good.
I feel like they've done something for me.
And really, what they've really done is censored half of your content.
They just censor all of it and then give you half back and hope that that psychologically manipulates you into thinking that they aren't just outright blatantly censoring you.
And it has actually gotten to a, to a degree that, I mean, it's really not a joke anymore that the UK is just about as bad as somewhere like North Korea.
I hesitate to even say that because obviously North Korea, you see the way they are.
But I mean, it's not actually that far off the mark.
It's not actually that much of an exaggeration.
matt infowars
It's the white version of North Korea.
It's white.
harrison smith
It's white North Korea.
It's Soviet UK.
And we'll show you some videos on the other side that illustrate this.
In fact, I wish we'd played the video last week.
Last week, we had this video of a young man, a native British guy who'd worked in migrant hotels.
And I had the video last week, and he's talking about just what it's like working at the migrant hotels and the conditions, you know, that they're afforded and all that sort of stuff.
And I didn't show it last week, and I wish I had because that guy's now been arrested.
So I'll play the video now.
You may have seen it if you've been on Axe, but it's a native British guy talking about his experience, his personal life dealing with the conditions that the British government has placed him and his community in.
And this video went viral.
And come Sunday evening, he's been arrested, probably charged with something.
So we'll get into, we'll show you that video and get into that.
But when you're talking about a person making a video criticizing The government, only to have that video censored and the person arrested.
Are we really that far outside of the realm of North Korea or the Soviet Union?
I mean, if you can be hauled away and arrested for not being offensive, not getting up and reading a translated Hitler speech for everybody, but literally just going, I worked at a migrant hotel.
Here are my experiences.
And you get arrested.
Now, Trump is actually in Europe right now.
He landed in Scotland a few days ago.
Yeah, can we even hear Trump or will he be censored?
I wonder.
Let's go to Trump.
donald j trump
And we didn't do that by spending hundreds of millions of dollars in surrounding.
harrison smith
Apparently, Starmer claimed they aren't censoring anybody.
Tell you what.
We're going to go to commercial break here.
We're going to come back and we're going to watch Donald Trump live from England, from the UK.
He's there meeting with the prime minister right now.
He landed in Scotland, I believe, on Friday.
And his first statement after landing there was to condemn immigration, making a statement that if he'd been a UK citizen, probably would have ended up with him being thrown into jail.
After all, you're not allowed to dislike the program that the government has for you.
You know, this is our democracy after all.
It's our democracy.
Now, accept the foreigners that the power elite have placed in your neighborhood or go to jail, scum.
It's our democracy, after all.
So, God only knows what Trump's going to say now.
We'll go back to his live appearance in the PM's office here on the other side of the commercial break.
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Donald Trump is in the UK live with the Prime Minister.
We'll go to that now and then we'll talk about what's happened previous to this.
But I want to watch this live because God only knows what he's going to say.
And I imagine this will be another news-breaking, headline-breaking conference.
Apparently, he has set new deadlines of 10 to 12 days for Putin to agree to Ukraine deals.
So he's still talking Ukraine with the Prime Minister over the weekend.
There was a trade deal struck with the EU to avoid a trade war and agree on reciprocal tariffs.
When he arrived in Scotland, his first comment was about immigration destroying the UK.
Apparently, the Prime Minister of the UK, Kier Starmer, earlier made a comment about the fact they're not censoring anybody.
And we'll return to that in just a little bit.
But first, we'll go to Donald Trump Live and catch the tail end of this press conference he's having with Prime Minister of the UK there at 10 Downing Street.
Let's watch.
keir starmer
This is not just a state visit.
There are always incredible occasions.
And this is an unprecedented second state visit.
So you can imagine just how special that's going to be.
donald j trump
The fact that it's never been done before, and that's because it's non-consecutive, and it's the only reason it could be, made it even more interesting, frankly.
So it's going to be great.
And being with Charles and Camilla and everybody I've gotten to know because of four years and now six months, I've gotten to know a lot of the family members.
They're great people.
They're really great people.
And in that sense, I think that the UK is very lucky.
You could have people that weren't great people.
I don't know if I'd say that, but you could have people that weren't.
keir starmer
We're very lucky to have a family member.
Absolutely.
harrison smith
So we really have to do that.
That just makes me think about Jeffrey Epstein.
Like, I wonder how much of the Epstein document stuff, you know, we talk a lot about Israel and we talk a lot about America.
Obviously, Epstein being associated with the CIA or Mossad.
They're all the same thing at that level.
But obviously, Prince Andrew was a major figure in this scandal and was identified personally and basically admitted to participation in this.
And of course, we've seen the way that the royals were used to cover up the Epstein story with the things like the James O'Keefe revelation of the ABC anchor saying, yeah, I had the Epstein story and they made me bury it because they wanted an interview with Megan and Harry and they wouldn't get it if we exposed Prince Andrew.
And so you see the way the Royals and access to the Royals is wielded in order to suppress information or justify a news station scuttling that report rather than airing it.
So I wonder how long this trip has been planned and how much the Epstein file release plays into the UK and how much pressure the Royals have been pushing on Donald Trump to not release the files in which key members of their family are implicated knowingly.
Let's go back to Trump.
unidentified
Considering the conversations you've had that have been really nice, or is he being disrespectful?
donald j trump
I've always gotten along with President Putin.
I had a great relationship with him.
And he went through the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax, too.
We used to say, you know, it's too bad we really can't do anything between our country.
Because if we did, they'd say, oh, it's, you know, so.
Look, I was tough on Putin because I was the one that closed up Nord Stream, and Biden came along and opened it up.
I was very tough on Putin in one way, but we got along very well.
And I never really thought this would happen.
I thought we'd be able to negotiate something.
And maybe that'll still happen, but it's very late down the process.
So I'm disappointed.
And you know, the funny thing is that their economy isn't that big, and it's having a hard time right now.
But it's a relatively small economy.
Strong military, but strong economy.
And it used to be a strong economy.
Now it's not.
He's gone through a lot economically.
It's not easy.
But it's pretty small, you know, compared to that magnificent size of that land.
The land is massive.
It's got, I guess, nine time zones or something.
It's a massive piece of land.
Russia could be so rich.
It could be so rich.
It could be thriving like practically no other country.
And they're holding that back because we can't.
He wants to do trade deals with us.
He talks about it all the time.
He wanted to.
And I envisioned that.
A lot of trade with Russia.
They have a lot of valuable things.
When you talk about rare earth, they have serious rare earth, right?
They have just about every form you can have.
So, you know, Russia could be such, so rich right now.
Instead, they spend all their money on war.
They spend everything on war and killing people, and it doesn't make sense to me.
I thought he would want to end this thing quickly.
I really felt it was going to end.
But every time I think it's going to end, he kills people.
unidentified
Could a meeting help?
And are you considering, has been proposed to meet in Turkey in August?
donald j trump
I'm not.
You know, I'm not so interested in talking anymore.
He talks, we have such nice conversations, such respectful and nice conversations.
And then people die the following night with a missile going into a town and hitting, I mean, recently, I guess, the nursing home, but they hit other things.
Whatever they hit, people die.
So, Adam.
unidentified
We've just had a sense of your differences in political persuasion when Nigel Farage and Sadiq Khan came up in conversation.
I wonder if you have any advice, either of you, for a very divided, polarized world, on how you make your relationship work with you.
donald j trump
Not differences.
Not differences.
I happen to like both men.
I like this man a lot, and I like Nigel.
And, you know, I don't know the politics of either.
I don't know where they stand.
I would say one is slightly liberal, not that liberal, slightly, and the other one is slightly conservative.
unidentified
But they're both good men.
keir starmer
Prime Minister, I mean, we like each other, we respect each other, we get on, and we've both got a great love of our countries, of our families, and therefore there's a huge amount that we have already achieved actually together and will achieve as we go forward leading our respective countries.
And of course, the relationships between our countries.
Donald, we were talking about this this morning.
That whether it's defence, security, intelligence sharing, it's a close historic relationship.
We have fought together in the past.
We've always stood together.
And I, for one, I'm very pleased that we've got such a good personal relationship between us.
And I think it just shows that even if you come from different political perspectives and different backgrounds, actually there's a huge amount of common ground when it comes to what is in the best interests of our two great countries.
And they are two great countries.
And I think that because we focus on what's best for our countries, we get along very well.
And I'm very pleased that that's the case.
donald j trump
Mr. President, as you know, he wants to cut taxes as much as he can.
And, you know, politics is pretty simple.
I assume there's a thing going on between you and Nigel, and it's okay.
There's two parties.
But generally speaking, the one who cuts taxes the most, the one who gives you the lowest energy prices and the best kind of energy, the one that keeps you out of wars, has kept you out of wars, but the one that keeps you out of wars, you know, you have a few basics, and you can go back a thousand years, a million years, whoever does these things.
Low taxes, keep us safe, keep us out of wars, no crime, stop the crime.
And in your case, a big immigration component, you know, because I know that your attitude has become strong on immigration, strong on the toughness of immigration.
But I think whoever's going to be, I think I won because of, I think I won because we had a lousy president, to be honest with you.
We had an incompetent president.
But I won because I was very strong on immigration.
Now we had inflation.
We had sort of a bad economy with this guy.
We had a lot of problems.
But I focused on immigration more than I did anything else.
And I think I won because of immigration.
I think I won because of the border.
I had a bad border where millions of people were coming in to our country illegally.
And as you know, last month, zero people came into our country illegally, zero.
So we went from a bad, incompetently run border to the most competently run border that anybody's ever seen.
unidentified
The President makes it look easy dealing with illegal migration.
You must be envious of his record in such a short period of time.
keir starmer
Well, I think we've been discussing irregular, illegal migration is a huge issue in both of our countries.
In the United Kingdom, it is a real cause for concern, and that's why we must bear down on it in all its aspects upstream, across Europe, where a lot of ours comes into through northern France, across the Channel, working with our allies, with our colleagues to break the gangs that are actually running this trade.
But equally, being very strong that when people have arrived in this country who've got no right to be here, then we should be removing them to their own country.
And that's why I'm really pleased that we've been able to focus on this very intensely and get 35,000 people out of the United Kingdom who had no right to be here.
Because the message has to be you can't make your way to the United Kingdom.
We won't tolerate our rules being broken.
And if you get here, you will be returned.
unidentified
But we are such a terrible place.
keir starmer
That's where you came from.
It's really important to bear down on that.
unidentified
We're such an attractive place for people to come because they want a better life because we are a wonderful country.
keir starmer
People coming via the rules are in a ways welcome.
Of course, we've welcomed talent and people into this country for centuries, literally.
But what the British people will not tolerate is those that break the rules, those that come.
harrison smith
What a ridiculous lie.
keir starmer
That's the really important distinction.
harrison smith
Trump's success with the border here in the United States just rendered ridiculous, and it was always ridiculous, but it just really emphasized and showed in really incontrovertible way that The border crisis under Biden was a choice.
It was not.
They said, well, it's Trump's fault because he said for the Republicans not to pass the bill we needed to pass, to shut the border.
Like they had all these excuses, all this nonsense is obviously provably false.
They could have, at any point, with the wave of a wand, the scribble of a pin, cut off completely the influx of migrants.
They chose not to.
So, you know, that's what Trump's success at the border really emphasizes and what it really means.
What you really tell people is that this was a choice.
The flooding of millions of people into our country was not something that the government was just having to deal with, just a catastrophe, that it was doing its best.
It was a designed, deliberate program of invasion.
And exactly the same thing's happening in the U.K. And that's why Kierstarmer looks so ridiculous sitting next to Donald Trump.
Trump's sitting there going, I got my border crossings down to zero.
What's your problem?
Kirstarmer's like, well, we're really working hard to stop this, but it's ridiculous.
It's a ridiculous defense to mount for Kirstarmer because obviously, just like in America, the influx, the invasion, the swamping of the natives with innumerable foreigners on purpose to demographically change them to better exploit your population.
It's just obviously the same playbook.
It's obviously also on purpose.
It could obviously be stopped if the person in power wanted it to stop in exactly the same way as the border crossings in the south of our country stopped when Trump was in power.
So, you know, Kirstarma looks ridiculous, but this is just what they do.
They just tell blatant lies about what their intentions are, what they're trying to do, or how this crisis came about.
They're just lying.
And we'll show you videos to illustrate that on the other side.
More from Trump here live with the PM.
donald j trump
Great thing with the economy because a lot of money is going to come in because of the deal that was made.
But I think that immigration is now bigger than ever before.
unidentified
Mr. President, your Treasury Secretary is meeting with Chinese trade officials right now.
Have you received an update?
Do you expect a deal when these talks are over, especially with the August 1st deadline?
donald j trump
No, they're meeting right now.
And, you know, we have a good relationship with China.
But China's tough.
And like you're tough, you know, we're all tough.
Yes.
But we're going to see what happens.
We just concluded our deal with Japan.
It's very good, good for everybody.
We're making great deals.
We're making deals that are good for us, but we want them to be good for everybody.
It's important.
Sometimes I'll do something that I shouldn't do because it's not very important for our country, but it's very meaningful for the country on the other side.
And I'll let them have that point because it's very important for them.
So, I don't know, but we've made a lot of deals in the last couple of months.
And then ultimately, as you might as well know, we're going to just, because we have, you know, you have 200 countries, more, but people don't know that.
You've got a lot of countries.
And I wouldn't want to sit down with 200 people have to deal the way I, he was calling me all the time, we want this, we've got to have that.
These are tough negotiators.
These are, you know, look, they're smart people, they're tough negotiators.
They know what they want.
But we're going to be setting a tariff for essentially the rest of the world.
And that's what they're going to pay if they want to do business in the United States.
Because you can't sit down and make 200 deals.
But we've made the big ones.
We just finished Indonesia.
They opened up their country.
We just finished Japan.
They opened up their country.
You know, Japan opened up the country.
They were totally closed.
They opened up to our cars, even to rice.
Rice was a big deal.
They would never take anybody else's rice and take in rice.
But they opened up their country.
Philippines, we just finished.
They opened up their country.
They were very closed.
I'd love to see China open up their country.
We're dealing with China right now.
As we speak.
Yeah, we're dealing with China right now.
unidentified
The deal you've got with the UK is better than the one with the European Union.
Is that because you think Brexit would be the idea in this country?
donald j trump
Well, look, you know, we have a very special relationship with this country.
Like, you know, my mother was born here and not only born here, loved it.
She'd come back, I told you, religiously every year.
And she'd go up to Stortaway and see her relatives.
But she loved the country.
Yeah, that probably has, it always has an impact.
Always has an impact.
But, you know, Germany has a new leader, and I think he's terrific.
I think you like him, too.
I think he's terrific.
My father was born in Germany.
Or Germany was, his parents were just out.
But so, you know, you have a lot of feeling for this part of the world.
I do.
I want to see this part of the world do well.
Germany, Scotland, UK, I want this part of the world to do well.
All of the nations, you know, you do feel a certain, you have a feeling, a warm feeling toward when your parents are born essentially here.
And I think maybe it's slightly different.
Maybe it's not.
I don't know.
But maybe it's slightly different.
harrison smith
Yeah, if we were serious about wanting to help European countries, we'd be delivering arms to their repressed and oppressed and white native populations.
We'd be treating the protesters in the UK like the moderate rebels in Syria and sending them to CIA camp to work on overthrowing their government.
But we don't actually care about the people of Europe.
So we're not doing that.
We're in fact helping them to achieve their ethnic eradication.
Back to the press conference.
donald j trump
Wind is a disaster.
unidentified
But in Scotland and across the UK, wind farms are disaster.
donald j trump
I know it's a shame.
unidentified
I used to tell Alex M. Have you spoken to the Prime Minister and will you speak to the first person?
donald j trump
Look, wind is the most expensive form of energy and it destroys the beauty of your fields And your plains and your waterways.
Look out there, there's no windmills.
But if you look in another direction, you see windmills.
When we go to Aberdeen, you'll see some of the ugliest windmills you've ever seen.
They're the height of a 50-story building.
And you can take a thousand times more energy out of a hole in the ground this big.
This big.
It's called oil and gas.
And you have it there in the North Sea.
This big that nobody would even see.
You can take a thousand times more power because the wind is intermittent.
It doesn't work.
It's extremely expensive.
All the windmills are made in China.
They used to be Germany and China.
Now they're mostly in China.
They all come out of China.
They say that the blades, which are carbon fiber, you can't bury.
Oh, okay, you can't bury.
What are you going to do?
Dump them in the ocean someplace?
Because they only last a certain period of time.
And remember, a windmill has a life of eight years, especially when they're out in the salty sea and they start to rot and to rust.
You have to replace them.
It's very hard to replace them.
Wind needs massive subsidy.
And you are paying in Scotland and in UK and all over the place where they have massive subsidies to have these ugly monsters all over the place.
So I've restricted windmills in the United States.
Now, a couple, we have, you know, the poor stupid people at the beginning, they approve them.
So they have their full approvals.
But I've restricted windmills in the United States because they also kill all your birds.
You know, they wipe out, you know, it's interesting.
If you shoot a bald eagle in the United States, they put you in jail for five years.
And yet windmills knock out hundreds of them.
They don't do anything.
You explain that.
So it's a very expensive energy.
It's a very ugly energy.
And we won't allow it in the United States.
keir starmer
So we believe in a mix.
And obviously, oil and gas is going to be with us for a very long time.
And that'll be part of the mix.
But also, wind, solar, increasingly nuclear, which is what we've been discussing this morning, civil nuclear as we go forward.
The most important thing for the United Kingdom is that we have control of our energy and we have energy independence and security.
Because at the moment, whatever the attributes and facilities in the North Sea, that is sold onto the international market, we might back off the international market.
That was a historic mistake in my view.
But what we need is a mix so that we get the energy security that we need for the future.
And that's the focus of everything we're doing.
But what we have discussed today is that the energy prices are too high, which is why we recently took measures to reduce the energy prices, particularly for energy-intensive businesses.
But in the long run, the only way to reduce your energy price is to take control of your energy, and that's what we're doing, taking control of our energy.
unidentified
Mr. President, King Charles, who you're a great creditor, is a big fan of eco-projects or windmills, as you call them.
Is he wrong?
donald j trump
So King Charles is an environmentalist, I will tell you.
And I say that in a positive way, not a negative way.
Every time I've met with him, he talked about the environment, how important it is.
And I'm all for it.
I think that's great.
King Charles, more than anything else, loves the country.
But I got to know him very well.
He truly is an environmentalist.
He wants clean air, clean water, all of the things that we all want.
unidentified
Mr. President, you have said that you have not been breached.
harrison smith
He wants to turn into a virus and kill all the humans to save the Earth.
unidentified
Or your name has not appeared in the West files.
But doesn't the AG have to tell you if your name is in the files?
donald j trump
I haven't been overly interested in it.
You know, it's something, it's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion.
I can say this, those files were run by the worst scum on earth.
They were run by Comey.
They were run by Garland.
They were run by Biden and all of the people that actually ran the government, including the Autopen.
Those files were run for four years by those people.
If they had anything, I assume they would have released it.
The whole thing is a hoax.
They ran the files.
I was running against somebody that ran the files.
If they had something, they would have released.
Now, they can easily put something in the files that's a phony.
Like, as an example, Christopher Steele, a person you know well, happens to be from your country.
But Christopher Steele, as an example, wrote a book, a dossier.
We call it the Fake News dossier.
And the whole thing was a fake.
The whole thing was a fake.
They could put things in the file that are fake.
But those files were run by bad sick people.
If they had anything, why didn't they use it when I was killing Joe and that he gave out because he was 25 points down?
And then I got somebody new.
Nobody even knew anything about her.
She was a horrible vice president.
She was our border czar, but she never went to the border.
She never once called the Border Patrol agent to find out how we're doing.
But she was the border czar.
Her name was Kamala.
Nobody knows her last name.
It was Harris.
But nobody knew her last name.
So I ended up, how would you like to end up in a race where you're killing somebody?
You're beating them.
And then they say, all right, we'll take him out.
He's not working.
Let's put somebody else.
And then she had a six-week honeymoon.
It was amazing.
They predicted she will have a six-week honeymoon, and she did.
And then she got slaughtered.
unidentified
Do you feel that?
donald j trump
But think of it.
Those files were run by these people.
They were run by my enemy.
If there was anything in there, they would have used them for the election.
unidentified
Do you feel that?
Did you see that drawing that?
I think I heard you said something the other day, the drawing that was the subject of the Wall Street General Report.
donald j trump
I don't do drawings.
I'm not a drawing person.
I don't do drawings.
Sometimes people say, would you draw a building and I'll draw four lines and a little roof, you know, for a charity son.
But I'm not a drawing person.
I don't do drawings of women, that I can tell you.
They say there's a drawing of a woman.
harrison smith
All right, so that's Trump was going to have you have a prince here, Prince Andrew.
He doesn't sweat.
Why doesn't he sweat?
We don't know.
We're not sure.
I'm sort of rambling, getting defensive about Biden and Kamala.
We're turning it on the other side, bringing any other interesting updates from Trump's visit.
A lot more ahead.
Stay with us.
unidentified
Ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump is in Europe.
harrison smith
He's been meeting with the Prime Minister of the UK, Keir Starmer, as we speak, fielding questions from the press pool there.
The crew is going to keep monitoring that press conference and we'll bring you any clips of interest that come out of it.
So far, it's been fairly boilerplate being asked and answering questions about all of the big topics today.
He says there will be a new deadline 10 to 12 days for Vladimir Putin to agree on a deal with Ukraine.
They asked about questions that the UK put restrictions on social media sites to protect children and if they will affect the U.S. president's social media site, Truth Social.
They talked about the Russian war in Ukraine, pharmaceutical tariffs, all that sort of stuff.
But to me, the censorship question is the most important.
Over this weekend, the Online Safety Act was implemented in the UK.
Although, strangely, people from all over Europe were saying, somehow I'm being affected by this, which I still don't know if we've gotten to the bottom of.
People in Germany and the Netherlands going, why when I go on X is to say, due to local laws in your country, we're not going to be able to show you this material.
They're not even in the UK.
So I don't know if there's a maybe the Twitter servers in the UK.
And it serves everybody all over Europe.
I don't know.
I'm not sure why UK laws would then affect the ability of somebody in the Netherlands to view things, but it appears as though maybe this is just an attempt to stop people from using VPNs to get around the censorship.
But make no mistake, this is just about as blatant of a psyop that you could ask for.
They say it's about online safety.
They say it's about keeping young people, minors and children, away from pornography or graphic imagery.
And the instant that the law is implemented, the first thing they censor are the protests against migrant hotels.
And the obvious actual point of implementing this is to silence the native outrage over the plans and programs of their government.
Just couldn't be more obvious, couldn't be more blatant.
The idea that this has anything to do with child safety online is just an absolute ridiculous farce.
Here's Kier Starmer, clip number 24, answering questions about this today during his meeting with Donald Trump.
Let's watch.
donald j trump
To censor my site?
unidentified
To censor your site and Twitter and Facebook.
I mean, truth.
Is that okay?
donald j trump
I don't think he's going to censor my site because they say only good things.
Will you please uncensor my site?
keir starmer
We're not censoring anyone.
We've got some measures which are there to protect children, in particular from sites like suicide sites.
We've had too many cases in the United Kingdom of young children taking their own lives.
And when you look through their social media, they've been accessing sites which talk about suicide and encouraging, if you like, children down that road.
And that is what we want to stop.
unidentified
Nothing about censoring free speech.
keir starmer
This country is the proudest.
Free speech in this country has been for a very long time.
We're very, very proud of it.
We will protect it forever.
But at the same time, I personally feel very strongly that we should protect our young teenagers, and that's what it usually is, from things like suicide sites.
I don't see that as a free speech issue.
I see that as a child protection issue.
donald j trump
We actually passed a bill in Congress headed up by my wife, actually, which was to pull bad stuff out having to do with children, because it is a problem.
But I cannot imagine him censoring truth.
So this is very political, and it's been a very big success.
And I only say good things about him and his country, so if they censor me, you're making a mistake.
I'm going to give my ambassador the job, make sure it's not suicide.
harrison smith
I had that question.
So again, I guess this is the tack they're going with at it.
Now it's about suicide.
So it's not about pornography.
It's not about the innocence of children.
It's that if you don't want them to censor the internet, it's because you want children to kill themselves.
Okay, so they're taking the transgender tack on this, saying we have to censor the internet or else people will commit suicide.
Do you want a live child or an uncensored internet?
I guess the choice is yours.
I guess you don't want to give the UK government absolute censorship powers to silence their opposition.
I guess you just want children to die?
God, you're such a terrible person.
Don't you like safety?
It's all about safety.
Just take a moment to say a little prayer of thanksgiving to our founding fathers that they had the foresight, the insight into human behavior, the knowledge and philosophy necessary to know what was really important.
Can we all just take a moment to thank our lucky stars that we have a little thing called the First Amendment in this country?
They may not have gotten everything right, but man, making the First Amendment and having it be the First Amendment and codifying it as a central pillar of our not just our governance, but our belief system, our understanding of power and authority and whether it's valid or not, how you preserve it or how you destroy it.
Thank God the Founding Fathers knew to codify that, to write that in as the First Amendment in the Bill of Rights, because it just is becoming increasingly obvious what the government can get away with when you don't have that solid basis for free speech.
And free speech is something a little bit less tangible, a little bit less concrete or, you know, total, you can see that it doesn't exist at all.
That's sort of just how it works with free speech, whether you like it or not.
Either you have it or you don't.
And right now, Europe doesn't have it, and it's losing it at an increasingly rapid clip.
And again, it's not exactly subtle the way they're implementing this.
It's actually very blatant and obvious.
And it's been going on for a while.
Obviously, it was around this time last year that the riots over the Southport stabbing broke out.
And for days on end, every day we come in, show you clips of the massive riots taking place, the mobs of masked up, bat-wielding Muslim men patrolling the streets and randomly attacking white people in restaurants.
Never any police presence there.
Nobody telling them to stop.
Nobody smashing their faces in.
But the white people protesting against the deliberate invasion of their country, they got the book thrown at them.
And there are many people still in jail over that and will be for years.
And of course, the issue was that they were protesting a bad set of circumstances.
Then the government says it's illegal to protest those.
So obviously the circumstances continue.
So obviously it's just a matter of time before the next little girl is attacked, group of little girls attacked.
Over the weekend, there was somebody walking around London with just carrying a head, carrying a human head around as that country just descends into absolute savagery.
And of course, there was another attack of another migrant in another migrant hotel, this time a 38-year-old Egyptian man attacking and assaulting a 14-year-old girl.
So more protests are cropping up.
And this online safety act went into place ostensibly to protect children, stop children from committing suicide.
For some reason, the stop children from committing suicide prevention measure just immediately started censoring all of the protest activity, immediately started going after anybody who opposed illegal migration or legal migration for that matter.
And it's just obvious at this point.
It's actually just insulting that they would act like this is about children or suicide.
And the fact that they take it to the suicide of children, it just shows how desperate they are to silence any opposition to this.
The Online Safety Act.
And of course, they just immediately, immediately that day start censoring even just protest video.
Don't even show violence.
Doesn't show anything bad.
Just the act of protesting is being censored.
Now, obviously, the whole point of protesting is try to get attention for your cause, is to go and make a scene or just have a bunch of people there to show, like, hey, we care about this.
This is how we feel about this position.
Now, if that's silenced, if you're not able to get attention because the instant you protest, any evidence of that protest is immediately shut down by the automated algorithmic censorship program.
tech giants told uk online safety laws not up for negotiation Because why would it be?
Because why would it be?
They're tyrants.
No, dictates from tyrants are not negotiable.
In a democracy, everything's negotiable.
They don't live in a democracy.
And it really is getting to a point of almost cartoonish levels of censorship and just outright malice of the government towards its own people.
And we'll show you some of the videos here.
There's a very thorough article from Infowars breaking, see the videos and images censored by the UK government as they implement the Draconian Online Safety Act.
We have this big list of tweets that if you're in the UK, don't show up.
They don't appear.
Roger underscore Woko93 writes, thanks to the powers given in the Online Safety Act, brainchild of the hapless Tories, the state is now censoring video footage of heavy-handed two-tier policing against English people.
Image on the left is a UK account censored versus the same account somewhere else.
So again, due to local laws, we are temporarily restricting access to this content until X estimates your age.
So that's another bizarre twist to this.
It doesn't say until you confirm your age.
It doesn't say until you scan your digital ID and prove your age.
It says until X verifies your age, which I guess through facial recognition technology, who knows what other technology they're looping into this.
But that's what it says.
Due to local laws, we are temporarily restricting access to this content until X estimates your age.
So I guess the corporation X gets to determine whether or not you're allowed to see the protest of your fellow Englishman.
So here's what the actual censored post was.
It says, arrest in Leeds.
The police have started with their heavy-handing two-tier policing early.
Six officers pinning one man who's not even struggling.
Disgrace.
Watch Marty Blaggie live on the link below.
Sound issues on the video.
You may want to mute.
So she posts a video going, look, two-tier policing, six cops jumping on one guy who's not even fighting back.
And that video is completely censored.
You're not allowed to see that or know that if you're in the UK until X verifies your age somehow.
Just blatant, obvious censorship.
And it does get to Soviet North Korea levels.
Here's a video of a young man who worked at a migrant hotel laying out his experience and what it was like and what he thinks about this hotel.
This guy has now been arrested.
We're going to clip number 20 and then we have this story.
Two men charged after asylum hotel protest.
Luke Sharman 23 of Harcourt Close Norwich was charged with a racially aggravated public order offense and possession of cannabis.
Both were bailed and are due at Norwich Magistrates Courts on the 16th of September.
So James Harvey 22 of Linden Drive was charged with racially aggravated public order offense and Luke Sharman 23 was arrested for a racially aggravated offense.
Here is Luke Sharman two days before his arrest making a video about what it's like as a native English worker at the migrant hotels.
Let's watch.
luke sharman
My name's Luke.
I'm an ex-employee of the Brook Hotel and the Norwich Hotel, which is owned by the same people.
Both are, well, they were Best Western contracts.
They're now both housing immigrants.
And basically the reason I'm doing this today is because people of this country need to make a stand.
It's gone too far and the further it goes the worse it's going to get.
So these hotels, they're paid £2 million each year to house the immigrants.
There is 170 housed in the Brook Hotel, all males from all different places.
The Norwich Hotel houses males, females and kids, but again it's more of a male majority.
They're paid £2 million each year for that.
Now when they first arrive they get a choice of Samsungs or iPhones.
Now as most people know neither of them phones are cheap now obviously they're all paid for by the taxpayers of this country.
They get £70 cash every week into their pocket as well as all their meals, washing, rooms cleaned for them by the staff each day.
There was events where a knife was found in a room under a pillow during cleaning time from housekeeping team.
Now the knife that was found was from our own kitchen at the Norwich Hotel so there was two ways that they could have got it.
That was either through security because they're very friendly with them or one of them has broken into the kitchen during the night and they've taken it.
They get NHS visits, dentists twice a week.
Now as everyone knows you can't get a dentist's appointment or a doctor's appointment, it's just impossible.
Drugs were found in rooms, rooms where there could be kids in.
They found cocaine, enough to say there was enough there to believe they were dealing.
Violence towards staffs, there was events where if they didn't like the food that was on offer, because again they got a choice of food, so they'd have three options each night, each lunchtime, each morning.
There was a young lad, he didn't like what was on offer, so he assaulted a member of security just because he didn't like the food he was offered.
Comments made towards female staffs regarding clothing that they're wearing to the point where it was then a uniform was put in place, it was trousers, no skin was basically allowed to be shown, including males, who weren't even allowed to wear shorts.
Things need to change.
The way things are going, people don't realise it.
They see things on Facebook and they think that's just people being racist or far right.
It's not racist, it's right.
It's as simple as that and that's as far as it goes.
And people need to stand up and actually start back in their own country.
Because if not, it is going to get taken over.
And your kids and your wives, they won't be safe to walk down the road.
They won't be safe to walk home from work.
So yeah, everyone stand up and actually get a backbone.
unidentified
When you were working at the Brook Hotel, what did you work as and what was the period that you worked?
luke sharman
So I started on day shift as a housekeeping team and that started at four hours a week.
Now when I started that that was open both as hotels to the general public.
After about a year of me working for them they then took on the contracts to which I stayed on because I had a baby on the way so you know I needed the money so I stayed on.
Then they took over the contracts and then I became night porter and head of maintenance so I was working days and nights so obviously I got to see absolutely everything that went on.
unidentified
How much of a shift have you seen between how peaceful the community is?
luke sharman
In the last two years the amount of stuff that has been posted on Facebook about foreign males that are specifically from these hotels is they're following kids, they're following women.
Now two years ago obviously of course you get you're always going to get the odd person but since these have been here there has been a hefty increase.
We saw police frequently visit the hotels from accusations made but you know so yeah it's definitely a lot worse.
unidentified
I assume we've known Beaufort quite a few years.
Do you think it's was it ever a safe place for children?
luke sharman
Yes it was.
It was a safe place for children until that contract got taken over on the hotel.
unidentified
That's what I was going to say is do you think it's a safe place anymore?
luke sharman
No definitely not.
Even walking down let's say a kid walking down the road with their mum I wouldn't recommend it it's it's just not safe anymore it's as simple as that.
Yeah 26th of July 2pm there is going to be hundreds of people here protesting about what's happening and what's gone on.
Oh what sorry?
unidentified
Peacefully.
luke sharman
Yeah peacefully yeah we don't want you know we don't want no rubbish because it will just ruin it for everyone.
We're here to make a point and obviously we don't want that ruined by people that think they're going to come here just for a bit of a party because that's not what it's about at all.
unidentified
My last question then is what do you think the solution is?
So some people have said get them out, get them deported but deported is such a long way from now so what do you think the steps would be?
Some people have also said a best solution is to keep them in the hotels and just don't leave them in the ground.
luke sharman
Yes, I think for the minute, and let's be honest, whilst we've got a Labour government, nothing's going to change because Keir Starmer, he's quite happy for him to come here.
He's not bothered.
But I think one of the things that needs to happen is all of the hotels, they need some sort of curfew, some sort of restriction, so they're not allowed to travel so far from the hotels.
They're not allowed to certain parks and stuff.
Obviously, not all of them are going to be that way inclined, but we can't keep taking the risk because every time something happens, it's just going to create an even bigger problem.
So, yeah, I think it's definitely a way to go to start is to just sort of segregate them in a way.
harrison smith
And he has now been arrested.
Yes, that young man, Luke Sharman, has now been arrested for a racially aggravated public order offence.
Now, maybe he did something at the protest, but I seriously doubt it.
And it seems more like that would be punishment for him just explaining what he saw and what his experience was working in the migrant center and again just just the just the idea that young people in the UK are struggling, not doing well.
I mean, the sort of sick irony of this is that there is an epidemic of suicide amongst young people in the UK because their future is being stolen from them, because they have no community, because they have no hope.
They're constantly demonized and maligned and sidelined by their own community.
Like all of the things that the government is doing is directly contributing to the pall of just misery that's consuming the UK right now.
And then they use that as an excuse to censor the internet so they can silence people speaking up about all the problems that they're causing, which have a lot more to do with the suicide epidemic than anything posted online ever has anything to do.
So it's just sort of cruelly ironic, all of this, that they would predicate it on suicide.
We can go to clip number 30 now.
We can keep the audio down, but this is just an image.
So there are these protests going on at this hotel after a 38-year-old Egyptian man attacked a 14-year-old girl.
And here are the police escorting the men, the foreign men, in their designer clothes, into the hotel to protect them from the protesters.
And it's just, there's something so utterly wrong about these foreign men being escorted by police, given an armed guard to protect them as they go into this hotel where they have their stay paid for, obviously, but they get three hot meals a day, house cleaning, you know, keeping up their bed and everything.
Plus they get a cash stipend.
Plus they get weekly visits by dentists and doctors from the NHS while the locals have to wait six months for an appointment, if they can even get that.
And they're being escorted in by the police.
And it's just the most, it's just the most offensive thing ever.
And the idea that the prime minister would say we're not censoring anybody is just outrageous on the face of it, especially when you have headlines like this.
Elite police squad to monitor anti-migrant posts on social media.
Concerns for free speech mount as Home Office creates a team to flag signs of potential unrest.
An elite team of police officers is now going to monitor social media full-time for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots.
Anti-migrant sentiment.
And of course, I mean, there are just so many angles to this.
You've got obviously just the blatant censorship, the laughable claim that this is about protecting children when it just obviously is anything but that.
The just very deliberate way that the British government is destroying its own people and then silencing them when they attempt to fight back.
But you've got the facial recognition, digital ID aspect where it's, don't worry, we'll determine your age and identity and we'll keep a profile on you.
And, you know, you can't see this content until X verifies your age.
But even then, like, obviously, this just has nothing to do with children.
It's all of the censorship that we've seen, and there's a plethora of it.
And you can just see, again, people like Andy know from America, but they're in the UK and they're have posted images scrolling through their Twitter timeline and everything is censored.
Every single post just says, yeah, sorry, we can't show you this.
You're not allowed to see it.
Now, he's an adult, obviously.
He's verified on X. They know his identity.
He's got a blue check mark.
He's part of their creator program.
So they know he's an adult.
There's no ifs, ands, or buts about it.
They know who he is.
They know his identity.
They know he's an adult, and yet he's still being censored.
So how is this protecting children again?
Like, it's just absurd on the face of it.
But then there's the added absurdity that when they arrest somebody for an offensive statement, they don't actually tell you what that statement is because obviously making that statement is a crime.
So you'll have stories, former Carlisle boxer jailed for grossly offensive racist post, and they don't even tell you what the post was because I guess it was grossly offensive.
So now it's just, don't worry, he said something offensive.
We've censored it.
We've taken it down.
We're not going to tell you what it is, but he's now going to jail for 10 months because we're telling you he made an offensive claim.
Well, what did he say?
Well, we can't tell you that.
It was too offensive.
Okay, so he's just going to jail and the crime is just trust us.
He needs to go to jail.
The crime is trust us.
He said something that he's not allowed to say.
We can't say what it is, but he said it.
So now he has to go to jail and you can't know what it is.
It's just completely absurd.
And I'm pretty sure this guy, this former Carlisle boxer, Derek Hege, he made, quote, two ill-informed and potentially dangerous YouTube videos between the 2nd and 8th of August.
This story is from December of 24.
This is about six months ago.
But he's been jailed for 10 months and two weeks.
And I believe what he said was just something like, migrants are attacking white English girls.
And it's just like, they are.
Like, that's nothing remotely untrue about, like, that's just absolutely true.
But I don't know.
But God only knows what he said because they don't have to tell you.
They can't tell you, actually, because it's illegal what he said.
So he's just going to jail for 10 months because trust us, he said something bad.
And now we've got this elite police squad.
Elite, elite police squad monitoring social media for anti-migrant sentiment.
So not offensive posts, not something calling for violence, not anything spreading fake news to try to demonize migrants in some way that could be construed as illegal.
Just anti-migrant sentiment.
It's pre-crime.
It's pre-thought crime.
It's like a combination Of both, it's a thought crime to be against migrants, and we're going to be monitoring not for anything offensive or criminal that you may be saying, but just making sure that if you ever lean towards being anti-migrant, if you ever say something that makes them think that you might have anti-migrant sentiments that you're not expressing, well, you're going to be in trouble.
So, again, you've got a guy who worked in a migrant hotel making a video going, yeah, they got all this stuff for free.
Plus they had knives, they were dealing cocaine, they're attacking women and girls, they're assaulting people that work there, they're harassing the women to the extent that they have to implement a Sharia-compliant dress code for the British girls working there, and even then it doesn't work.
So he expresses just what's actually happening there, and he is immediately arrested and charged with an aggravated racial offense, which I'm sure means he's not going to be making videos anytime soon because he's a young father and doesn't want to be sent to jail during the prime years of his child's life.
But that's the punishment that you'll get for merely disagreeing with or expressing the reality of the policies of the British government.
It is Soviet level.
It's North Korea level.
It gets even more insane.
I'll show you more videos because, again, you've got British people whose daughters and wives are at risk, who can't get a doctor's appointment to save their life, while migrant men are being given police escorts into their five-star hotel where they're waited on hand and foot and then occasionally follow your daughter home from the park.
And if you want to protest that, you're going to literally get your teeth knocked out by the British police.
You don't like the fact that they're flooding your country.
And again, this is the type of stance where there is no gray area.
There is no wealth of custom points on both sides.
If the people who live there don't want to be invaded, they have that right.
Anybody opposing that is on the wrong side.
Flat out.
Welcome back, folks.
This is the American Journal.
We're going to be joined by Nick Spanos in the next hour.
unidentified
Okay.
harrison smith
I want to keep talking about what's happening in the UK, the censorship that's going on there, and the way that even the most seemingly benign and beneficent and loving act of censorship is just a recipe for disaster.
And obviously they passed this Online Safety Act to protect children from seeing graphic material.
And then as Morgoth Reviews notes, it took all of 12 hours for the Online Safety Act to switch from protecting kids from porn to censoring at protests outside migrant hotels day one.
Showing, again, the image that you get if you're in the UK, even if you're an adult, even if you're verified and as an adult through X because you're verified and pay for the check mark, due to local laws, we are temporarily restricting access to this content until X estimates your age.
Again, just a bizarre way to even phrase that.
Okay, so obviously, this censorship has absolutely nothing to do with children as adults are being censored for talking about migrants.
At the same time, elite police squad to monitor anti-migrant posts on social media.
An elite team of officers is going to monitor social media for anti-migrant sentiment amid fears of summer riots.
Carl Benjamin, a.k.a.
Sargon of Akkad, I think, is taking the right approach on this.
Sort of similar to what J.K. Rowling did earlier in the year when Scotland passed a law against deadnaming people or misgendering people.
And said, you'll be arrested if you misgender somebody.
And J.K. Rowling said, well, I'm misgendering somebody.
Come arrest me.
Come get me.
You want to restrict speech?
Well, then you're going to have to physically stop me because I'm not going to stop saying what I believe and what is obviously true.
And Sargon of Akkad, Carl Benjamin, has made a similar challenge.
And you got to wonder whether he's going to get a knock on his door.
Here is Carl Benjamin taking an incredibly brave stance in an increasingly tyrannical, Soviet-like North Korea-style censorship regime and two-tier policing operation going on in the UK.
Here's Carl Benjamin.
carl benjamin
Do you remember when Kierstama came into office?
He was like, well, I'm going to tread more lightly on the lives of voters.
And now the police are creating the elite unit to monitor critics of migrants.
It is just.
I mean.
Like.
Come on then.
Come on, then.
I'll take you.
Let's go.
I am a critic of the migrants.
I think these guys are pieces of shit, and I think that every single one of them should be flogged for the temerity of breaking into our country and then deported straight off the cliffs of Dover.
Okay?
That's my criticism.
These guys are a piece of shit, and we should be dealing with them in kind, the way that they would deal with us.
That's what we should be doing.
Come on, then, Keir.
Let's have it.
I wait the knock at the door.
harrison smith
Very brave thing to do for Sargon of God, for Carl Benjamin.
He'll always be Sargon to me.
You'll always be Sargon to me, Carl.
He may be arrested.
He may be thrown in jail.
I mean, if they operate in the similar manner to the American government, he'd be first on the list.
As we know, after January 6th, they went after the highest profile people first.
UK does a little bit differently.
It's like just random mothers on Facebook who accidentally retweet the wrong story, get arrested, and they try just to round up as many anonymous people as they possibly can to the point where we don't even have the bandwidth to cover all of it or even be aware of any of it.
So I don't know.
Maybe they do things a little bit differently in England where they'll let Carl Benjamin get away with this or let J.K. Rowling get away with it when the lower profile people don't.
I don't know.
But it's a very brave thing for Carl Benjamin to do.
This is J.K. Rowling about the Scotland hate crime.
I'm currently out of the country, but if what I've written here qualifies as an offense of the terms of the new act, I look forward to being arrested when I return to the birthplace of the Scottish Enlightenment.
Again, just illustrating the absurdity, the just unbelievable aspect of this, that the place where modern liberalism was literally born, where the concepts of free speech were first enumerated and codified into law, is the place that'll arrest you for saying the truth, for literally just saying what happened to you or what you experience or what you believe.
And they're arresting you.
So again, elite police squad to monitor anti-migrant posts on social media, but they're not censoring anybody.
And this is about saving kids from suicide.
But we do have an elite police group there just to monitor to make sure that you're not dipping your toe in observing reality.
Meanwhile, UK government secretly paid foreign YouTube stars for propaganda.
Videos are secretly funded and signed off with the UK Foreign Office.
NDA has banned influencers from disclosing government involvement.
Contractor accused of election interference in Slovakia against left-wing candidate.
The UK government is secretly paying foreign YouTube stars to publish propaganda videos declassified can reveal.
A three-year investigation has found online influencers are made to sign legal contracts banning them from disclosing the government's involvement.
Whitehall officials give feedback on each video before the influencers are allowed to publish them.
The work is coordinated by London-based media agency Zinc Network Limited on behalf of the Foreign Office in a deal worth nearly £10 million of public money.
Co-founded by former Conservative Party Spin Doctor, the company has won lucrative contracts from the UK, U.S., and Australian governments, becoming a major player in Western influence operations.
Zinc has previously been exposed for secretly setting up Muslim news platforms on Facebook as part of the government's counter-extremism prevent strategy.
But the company's foreign influence tactics can now be exposed thanks to whistleblowers, leaked documents, freedom of information disclosures, and analysis of dozens of LinkedIn profiles.
So again, you've got a government censoring its own people, arresting peaceful protesters and throwing them in prison for months or potentially years on end, while simultaneously paying YouTubers to spread their own propaganda.
Again, is comparing the UK to the Soviet Union really so far out of bounds at this point.
Obviously, the BBC is government programming.
So very quickly, the UK is establishing that only information from the party is allowed to be spread.
Opposing that is criminalized.
There are thought crime monitors watching your social media in collaboration with big tech, getting access to your private messaging and all that sort of stuff.
And we'll get to that in just a second.
While simultaneously throwing mothers in prison, forcing them to miss years of their toddler's life, because literally because they published an article on Facebook that turned out not to be accurate.
Not an article they wrote.
And they even, you know, just one of the many examples that we constantly bring up is this young woman, mother, posted something on Facebook, an article that she didn't write, but she thought was legit, but even said, I don't know if this is true, but if it is, you know, it's going to be trouble.
It's going to be a problem.
Turned out that story wasn't true.
So now she goes to jail.
She's in jail.
Even though she said, I don't know if this is true.
Here's an article I found.
I'm going to share it on social media.
I don't know if it's true, but if it is, this would be bad.
They arrest her and throw her in prison.
So just in any just world, we would, and I'm not kidding, we would literally be airdropping weapons to the native British.
They're under occupation.
They're being genocided by their own people.
They're under a tyrannical regime that prevents them from even speaking up and expressing the pain they're being caused by their government.
They need to be freed.
We need to go to war with the British government.
We need to be funding the moderate rebel groups in the UK to throw off the shackles of the United Kingdom government.
I mean, there's a better case for this than just about any of the other interventions the American military has been involved in the last 30 years at least.
This person on X wrote, just tried to open a Wikipedia tab and she got a message from the UK government.
Access restricted.
This content is currently unavailable.
Access to this material has been restricted in accordance with the UK Online Safety Act 2023.
This may be due to legal requirements around harmful or illegal content, platform compliance with regulatory obligations, age-related content restrictions.
For more information about the Online Safety Act, go listen to the government.
So apparently you can't get on Wikipedia anymore.
What's that?
This went out of my circle too fast.
Sorry, this is meant to be an obvious joke reference to the fact that Wikipedia is actually soon likely to be banned by the OSA as they fall under the part of the law.
That means UK users wouldn't be able to edit or see articles.
That falls under the highly general law.
If you aren't aware, the Wikimedia Foundation is waiting on an outcome to see if it can actually provide, scroll down a little bit, provide a service to users in the UK.
This is a very real, soon possibility under the current framework.
The UK may lose access to more of this information, more than the harmful or adult internet, but also the information that covers controversial topics like mental health issues too.
This post may become true for millions of people sooner than you think, and everyone should be aware of that possibility.
Okay, so apparently you can still visit Wikipedia.
For the time being, for now, I don't know, maybe certain pages on Wikipedia you couldn't.
And again, it's like, why even make this as like a not real thing when this really is the case?
No, it's kind of strange.
That's kind of strange.
As if you needed to, you know, pretend censorship was worse than it is.
you don't.
It's as bad as it could possibly be.
And then, of course, you have this.
I think this is put correctly by Dan Collins, 2011 on X. We've reached the state of absolute mass delusion in the UK, where half the population is on welfare.
80% of the Muslim households are on welfare.
They're completely deindustrialized.
They're under civilian invasion.
Cover-up of British girls being sex trafficked.
I know.
Let's go fight Russia and China at the same time.
This is a response to the telegraph saying Britain is ready to fight over Taiwan.
Defense Secretary, if we have to fight, Australia and the UK are nations that will fight together.
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
I mean, really, that would be the death blow.
That would be the death knell.
Because you know the migrants aren't fighting for the UK.
So if they actually wanted to go to war, they'd have to conscript their citizens.
The Muslims would never do it.
That could just be the point at which they rise up and just actually conquer the UK and take it over and put it under Shia law.
Some warlord like Al-Jalani.
Or maybe the British government is probably more likely.
They just say, yeah, we have to conscript people for this war that we started.
But it would be unfair to script the migrants.
I mean, after all, they've been through the horrors of migration.
You know, they had to, first they had to get on a boat that was paid for, and then they had to get on a bus that was paid for, and then they got on a dinghy that was paid for, and then they've lived in a hotel.
So, I mean, you know, they've been through so much already.
It's not fair to have them go fight.
So we'll be just conscripting native English white people for this war.
And then, you know, you can just really accelerate the replacement migration that's taking place.
Just there's one thing that accelerates all of this.
It's war.
All those pesky British people protesting, you know, having their lives destroyed by illegal migration.
Well, instead of arresting them and throwing them in jail for thought crimes, you can just enlist them and send them to the front line.
They'll be killed by a drone.
And you can celebrate how democratic you are.
And we'll go to a couple more videos because, again, these are videos that are illegal, I guess, to see in the UK.
You know, clip number 37, the police have started with their heavy-handed policing early.
This, again, was a video that we showed earlier that was completely censored in the UK, where you see six guys, six police officers piling on one guy, shoving him to the ground, shoving his face in the dirt.
Did he do anything?
He might have said something.
That's what you get for saying things.
Oh, you disagree with the policy of your government?
You don't like your neighborhood being inflicted with thousands of hostile migrants?
Where to get a literal knee on your neck, sir?
Now, if you're a Muslim, you know, we've seen the videos where there's like a gang of Muslims with literal swords walking around the streets, and the police go up and go, guys, if you can just take the weapons back to the mosque, that'd be great.
That'd be great.
Two-tier policing hardly describes what we're witnessing here.
We got some more videos.
Of course, we saw clip 30, the illegal immigrants being escorted to the Epping Hotel.
Clip number 8 here, this is an Epping migrant hotel protester getting his teeth knocked out by a riot shield by police.
Again, you know, we just roll.
I'm sorry.
Clip number 28, Epping migrant hotel protester has his teeth knocked out by a riot shield.
So there you see, he's yelling.
Boom, he gets hit in the face, and his teeth actually fall out of his mouth.
He wasn't attacking.
You know, he's getting in the guy's face.
Certainly didn't hit him or anything.
So you're going to get your teeth knocked out if you dare to raise your voice at the honorable police officers.
That's going to happen.
Let's go to clip number 26 here.
This is one of the protesters, well, one of the locals talking about what life has been like since the hotel, the migrant hotel was established.
Here's one of the locals who, again, this guy's voice is not just being ignored, his sentiment is being made illegal.
And, you know, his just very common sense, obvious opposition to his own neighborhood being destroyed is being criminalized.
Again, it's just, it's like impossible to imagine how we even got to this point.
This is our democracy in the year 2025.
Let's watch.
wendell daniel
So good afternoon.
My name is Wendell Daniel and welcome to Urban Scoop.
And we are live and direct from outside of the Bell Hotel here in Epping.
And I'm with a local resident.
And sir, can you introduce yourself?
jack cook
Hello, my name is Jack Cook.
I'm a local resident of Epping Forest.
unidentified
All my adult life, part of my family.
wendell daniel
And tell me what you said to me just now, because I believe you have a young child.
And how has the council been treating you recently?
jack cook
So I do.
I do have a young child, unfortunately.
He was born with a disability.
And I've been living in the local hospital for the last eight months due to the council neglecting housing needs.
It's changed my life.
I just want to start a new fresh life with my child.
And I feel betrayed by the council.
wendell daniel
And why do you feel betrayed by the council?
jack cook
Because being a member of the local community, my family gives back to the community.
Working for a local charity that gives back.
And I just feel like we should be more of a priority than people who are being housed in this hotel.
wendell daniel
Excellent stuff, but we will pick up with you more later on.
But this is going to be on Urban Scoop and Tommy Robinson's Twitter page, and also on Tommy Robinson's YouTube channel.
And all I can say, sir, is thank you very much.
jack cook
Thank you.
wendell daniel
Excellent stuff.
unidentified
So, yeah.
wendell daniel
So, for all of you watching, my name is Wendell Daniel.
You know, all know me.
I'm from Urban Scoop.
We're going to be on Tommy Robinson's Twitter page from 1pm and also from Tommy's YouTube channel from 1pm.
And we were here last night, last week, not last night, and Tommy did say he was going to come down.
Then he changed his mind because he understood that being here was not conducive with the aims and objectives of the local people here who are campaigning to get this hotel closed down.
So make sure you tune in from roughly 1pm.
And as we can see, there's going to be lots of activities down here today.
A dispersal order will be put in place and we will be live and direct down here in Epping and you will see exactly what is happening.
But make sure you tune in from 1 p.m. live and direct.
unidentified
So we can hear the dogs.
wendell daniel
They're hungry.
And make sure.
I'm going to make sure they're not going to be eating me today, but they're barking and they're hungry.
harrison smith
All right, so the protest continues there in Epping.
But again, you can hear he just talks to a local person.
Of course, they feel betrayed.
Their once safe neighborhood is not safe anymore because of the deliberate actions of the government, making it less safe and then making it illegal to protest.
I mean, it's just beyond description.
And Chris Middleton at Chris Mid on X did a full breakdown of this, and we'll read as much as we can before the end of the break here.
The UK's Online Safety Act just came into effect, promising a safer internet.
It's a lie.
This law threatens your privacy, free speech, and democracy and paves the way for a surveilled censored web.
Do you want to know how bad it gets?
Well, the actual law is 250-plus pages of confusing legalese.
Its vague wording leaves even the experts unclear on its full requirements.
Experts have derided it as incoherent and authoritarian.
The alleged goal is to protect children, but the approach is so broad it ends up undermining the very freedoms it claims to defend.
What does the act do?
It creates a new duty of care on all online services to police user content.
That means that platforms must proactively detect and remove, quote, illegal and quote, harmful content.
Age verification to block under 18s from adult material.
Private messaging apps must scan messages for banned content.
WhatsApp and Signal warn this poses an unprecedented threat to privacy and encryption.
So private messaging apps have to be scanned for banned content.
So now your private messages are being surveilled and monitored.
Say goodbye to private messaging.
The act pressures encrypted apps like WhatsApp and Signal to monitor user chats for illegal content, which experts say could requir breaking into encryption.
Ofcom claims it will not enforce this immediately, but the legal power remains.
A backdoor to your private messages is now on the table.
Age checks and the death of anonymity.
Any site with adult content must now implement highly effective age verification.
That means face scans, government IDs, and credit card checks.
This applies far beyond just porn to any user-generated platform.
A hacked database of verified users, a privacy nightmare waiting to happen.
Anonymity online is under serious threat.
The net is cast-wide.
This isn't about big tech.
The law covers any site that allows users to share or interact.
That includes forums, messaging apps, cloud services, open source platforms, even Wikipedia.
Wikimedia has already launched a legal challenge.
Will it make us safer?
No.
Criminals will use VPNs, encrypted tools, and the dark web.
The Act does nothing to stop that.
Meanwhile, everyone else will be surveilled, censored, and blocked.
A survey of IT professionals found just 14% believe the law is fit for purpose.
Censorship and chilled speech.
The act pressures platforms to delete harmful content, even if legal, leading to automated takedowns of art, satire, or dissent.
No offenses for serious psychological harm, criminalizing risk, criminalizing heated debates.
Platforms will over-censor to avoid fines, stifling free speech.
State of control of speech.
Ofcom can now order takedowns or block entire websites for non-compliance.
The Secretary of State can shape what content is prioritized or suppressed.
The UK government now has indirect overall online speech.
A global precedent.
If Britain normalizes this level of online control, others will follow.
Other Western countries will copy it.
Digital rights groups warn it is a blueprint for repression.
It's a tale as old as time.
Invading our privacy under the pretense that it's for our safety.
And it goes on and on.
And of course, we have to worry about this because as much as we have the First Amendment and are protected to some degree from this level of intervention by the American government, they are still doing their damnedest and trying their hardest to get this implemented in the United States.
The Kids Online Safety Act is the U.S. equivalent of the EU's Digital Services Act and the U.K.'s Online Safety Act.
If passed, it could mandate digital identity, fully de-anonymize the internet, and impose significant censorship.
And that is a bill that's been proposed called the Kids Online Safety Act.
So again, we can...
We have to fight it over there so we don't have to fight it over here.
Now I'm going to be joined in studio by Nick Spanos on the other side of a short commercial break.
I'm going to show you a five-minute video featuring Mr. Spanos here in the first five minutes.
But when we get back, we'll talk to him about online censorship and crypto and his involvement in all of it.
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nick spanos
Bitcoin is the honest currency.
The beauty of Bitcoin is it's easily transferable, it's anonymous, and by 2140, there's going to be 21 million.
And that's the cap.
There's only X amount of gold, there's only X amount of Bitcoin.
Who's next for the Bitcoin?
unidentified
$6.53.
I don't want any Bitcoin.
I know what it is.
You know what I prefer?
I prefer dollars.
nick spanos
I got Bitcoin in the last two weeks.
I got one-third more dollars.
unidentified
Here's what I'm gonna say.
If I get pretty much the following of the year, let me know how it's going.
nick spanos
want to go on down to 40 broad right next door to the stock exchange there to the new york bitcoin center you can buy and sell all the time We're putting together the first Bitcoin center here in New York City, right next door to the New York Stock Exchange.
Bitcoin is a new space, and many of the rules and regulations haven't been imposed yet, but we will open one day soon after the lawyers do their job, a live digital currency exchange.
what's happening here is a fusion between wall street and bitcoin hopefully Looks like it's the first live Bitcoin exchange on Wall Street.
Looks that way.
unidentified
Just steps from the New York Stock Exchange is the city's first Bitcoin center.
Could you just tell me a little bit about where we are and what the Bitcoin center is?
harrison smith
We're currently doing educational seminars.
Right now we're doing Bitcoin 101.
nick spanos
What do you think about Doge, dude?
unidentified
It's the future.
nick spanos
The future.
We got the future.
Cool.
We're the developer.
You like Doge?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
Do you own any of Doge?
I doubt it.
I got 10,000.
unidentified
Do you?
Yeah, but finally, sell our success with Bitcoin at 62, 632.
I'm your host, Mary Dane ESQ, the Wall Street lawyer.
And today I am live at the Bitcoin Center on the trading floor.
harrison smith
I mean, you've been on countless documentaries.
unidentified
I don't know how many specials I've seen.
jessica menton
Now, when you think of Bitcoin, you think of digital currency, digital exchanges.
Well, we're here at Bitcoin Center in New York City where they're actually turning that on its head and you can do person-to-person transactions.
nick spanos
The safest Bitcoin transaction is a person with another person because we're only using the Bitcoin protocol and the Bitcoin wallets and stuff.
unidentified
One of the main Monday night activities that happens at the Bitcoin Center is called Satoshi Square, where Bitcoin traders can meet up face-to-face and exchange cash for coins.
We are posting up on the board.
Everyone is buying and selling or wishing to buy and sell Bitcoins tonight.
Commerce has been conducted in city centers since the beginning of time.
Bitcoin is what the world is becoming, decentralized networks, is how the world is progressing.
And as far as a physical place for that, the Bitcoin Center NYC is the center of the world.
Bitcoin is much more than just a currency.
It is a network for transmitting value across the world.
jessica menton
As far as the future of the Bitcoin Center, what are you looking to do next?
nick spanos
Well, like I said, we're looking to become the first regulated exchange in the States, New York, in the States.
I'm not giving up on New York.
New York's giving up on me.
I came to turn on a Bitcoin machine, an ATM, I can't turn it on.
I can't make trades.
I can't do anything.
unidentified
There's no cash flow at all.
nick spanos
And it's potential regulation.
It's regulation that I should believe is coming down the pipe.
I don't want to do anything that someone's frowning upon right next door to the stock market.
They're going to lock me up.
You know, you can't have an exchange.
Well, we don't.
People meet that exchange with each other.
New York's sitting there on the high horse, and the whole world's waiting on New York to create some license.
harrison smith
All right, folks, we're going to be back here momentarily with the man himself, Nick Spanos.
This is a monetary revolution at Nick Spanos.
He's here in studio with me.
Stay tuned.
We got some crazy stories to tell, folks.
Don't go anywhere.
We'll be right back.
He's going to get arrested because of this interview he just told me.
All right, welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
This is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, joined in studio by the one and only Nick Spanos.
He's the inventor of the multi-branch blockchain.
In 2013, he founded the first live cryptocurrency exchange just 100 feet from the New York Stock Exchange.
Nick is also a prominent libertarian and acted as Ron Paul's senior advisor on his 2018 and 2012 presidential campaigns.
nick spanos
2008.
2008.
harrison smith
2008 and 2012.
That's right.
Presidential campaigns.
You can find him on X at Nick Spanos.
Mr. Spanos, welcome to the show, sir.
nick spanos
Thanks for having me.
harrison smith
It's my pleasure.
Now, we met because you actually, we had an amazing interview with Hamdan Azhar, whistleblower with BlackRock.
And it was an amazing interview.
And then you were here with him.
We went out to lunch and you were telling these stories.
And both myself and our producer, Matt, we were like, you got to come on the show.
You got to come talk about some of the stuff you've been involved in.
You've had your fingers in a lot of pies here.
You've been involved in the political crypto sphere for years.
And there's probably a lot of people that know the consequences of your work, even if they don't know who you are or who was behind it.
Just tell us what led you to be sitting here today.
How did you get involved in all of this?
nick spanos
Well, I never really listened to authority at all in my whole life.
So I think that's it.
I never liked anyone to tell me what to do.
I always try to do the right thing myself.
And whenever I see something is oppressing, my father told me, I told him that these kids were oppressing me when I was five because in Greek, it's easy to say.
And he said, they're oppressing you.
You must be pretty oppressible.
Oppressible.
unidentified
That's good.
nick spanos
That really hit home with me.
And I've been thinking about that ever since.
harrison smith
Well, that's great.
And I mean, the story of how you actually got involved, you were a commercial fisherman for a while, right?
Can you tell us that story?
unidentified
I don't know.
harrison smith
I don't want to pry too much into your public life.
We talk about your accomplishments and everything, but just to, I think the lore of how you got involved was so interesting.
nick spanos
If you want to tell us about that, I was, well, before I was a commercial fisherman, I was in engineering school for about a semester.
And then I met this, I drove a tow truck and I towed this really rich dude's car out of somewhere.
And he gave me a job in the real estate business.
I made millions of dollars.
And then the stock market crashed in 87.
I'm old.
The stock market crashed in 87.
And then I was laying on my couch for a year.
I thought the world ended because I lost everything.
And my friend came over and said, let's become commercial fishermen.
And then I became a commercial fisherman.
harrison smith
Why not?
nick spanos
Until I saw on TV, they said, oh, the width of Greenspan's, they were following Alan Greenspan, who was the Fed chair back then.
And they were saying, well, if his briefcase was wider, maybe he would have changed the rates and we wouldn't have had the crash.
I was like, what?
I go, who the heck?
I was going to say the F word, but I'm not loud, right?
Who the heck is that guy?
That guy owns me.
He made me a fisherman.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
And I said, what the heck's the Federal Reserve?
What the heck's money?
I went to the library because that's what you had to do back then.
I went to the library and I read all about the Federal Reserve.
And I, you know, I totally freaked out.
I was like standing at the post office trying to explain it to people.
harrison smith
Right, right.
nick spanos
Because I was in a small town.
I go, listen, the money's fake.
The money's fake.
There's no gold.
I thought it was backed by gold.
I went back by gold because on TV they show you the Fort Knox and all this stuff.
And, you know, it set me off.
And then I was out on the boat that night.
And believe it or not, I had like a wave hit me.
And I think I hit my head or something.
And I saw a big black octopus.
Believe it or not, I saw a big black octopus with a big red eye, which happened to be in the books in hindsight, but I didn't put the two together.
And it was under the Federal Reserve building and the tentacles went up into the new and into these buildings that had in the parapet walls at like CNN, NBC.
And the tentacles were typing on the teleprompter and the newscasters were reading what the octopus was writing.
harrison smith
So you have this vision.
nick spanos
Yeah, I had some vision.
harrison smith
A crazy vision of like a political cartoon version of the Fed just controlling everything like a giant squid.
nick spanos
Yeah.
And then I freaked out.
I was driving the fish into the city.
So I'd take him to Fulton Fish Market.
I'd take him to a bunch of restaurants on the way.
Take him to Fulton Fish Market.
My partner would stay out with the boat.
We'd swap.
And my sister was going to some political campaign.
And she said, oh, come with me.
And I had, you know, I had my church closed at her apartment.
And I put him on and I went to this campaign and I took over the whole campaign.
It was Paul.
harrison smith
You really did.
You told this story to us.
It's just awesome.
nick spanos
I took over the campaign, yeah.
And I became the field director for Paul Sangas, who's Democrat running against Bill Clinton.
harrison smith
Okay.
nick spanos
And I did pretty well, I think, because I had computers.
No one knew anything about computers.
I built a computer in 1978 with a sign iron.
It was a Heath kit.
And no one had computers, but I knew everything about computers.
I wrote a database and I had phone banks and all this stuff.
And he withdrew in Connecticut.
And 30 days later, oh, he withdrew in Connecticut.
I had nowhere to go because I gave the business to my partner for free.
unidentified
And I, wow.
nick spanos
I did all that.
unidentified
And then I, you know, I. You were just in politics.
nick spanos
Went on.
But then he withdrew from the race.
We won a few states.
We won New Hampshire.
But Clinton had all the money, and it took so many days to get the money cleared, meaning they'd send a check, and then the check would take two weeks.
It's not like now where you get the money right away.
So he didn't have the money really to go on.
So he withdrew in Connecticut.
30 days later was New York.
I said, I have nowhere to go.
I filed with the FEC.
They're probably going to check that out now and try to arrest me for something from 1992.
But who cares?
Committee to draft Paul Tsangas.
So I kept running him in New York.
harrison smith
Even though he had a case.
nick spanos
I didn't have a candidate.
And believe it or not, I got 30.5% of the vote.
Without a candidate.
harrison smith
Wow.
So you're an engineer, but you do trading, you make money, then you lose all of your money in this crash.
You become a commercial fisherman.
You learn about the Fed.
I think that's hilarious.
They say, you know, if this guy's briefcase was a little thicker, there wouldn't have been a crash.
And you're like, this guy made me a fisherman.
And then just one night you decide to go to this campaign rally.
And I guess, I mean, it seems to me like the campaign rally is sort of like symbolic of the rest of your life because you don't have any authority there.
You go there, but you just see it's kind of a mess and you just go, somebody needs to whip this thing into shape.
I might as well do it.
And you just sort of commandeered the walkie-talkie and started directing people around and actually whipped the campaign into shape.
Is that indicative of just how you are?
Because then you just immediately sell your stake in the fishing business.
I gave it to you.
nick spanos
I don't care.
Yeah, I just keep going.
harrison smith
Because you're just like, I'm in politics now.
You spend one night sort of in this campaign and you're like, this is where I'm supposed to be.
Forget fishing.
nick spanos
I wanted to Take down the Federal Reserve.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
Okay.
When I saw that vision, I said, Oh, I got to go kill the monster.
jack cook
Right.
harrison smith
Okay.
nick spanos
I actually couldn't believe that people's whole lives, like, you know, the world's a bountiful place.
And before 72, you know, there was one person worked, the two-car garage, everything looked hardy duty over there.
And my three sons, whatever the heck those TV shows were.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
And all of a sudden, everyone's working and everyone's broke.
What happened?
The world lost 90% of the food.
unidentified
No.
nick spanos
We have more equipment, better equipment, better technology to make more food, more wealth, and this and that.
And then people are just driven into the ground by this senseless overprinting of, I call it voodoo paper because it's all belief-based.
And you got the witch doctors, they sign.
They have some ceremony once in a while and they sign this paper.
And then you try to store your life's work across time in these lithograms of dead people.
That's voodoo.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
I believe it's voodoo.
harrison smith
I always say that, well, to me, the whole stock market is all a black magic voodoo.
I don't trust any of it.
Except by his always, I don't know, they just have a million different ways of screwing you over.
And the government isn't even trying to keep it in check half the time.
And even if they wanted to, they can't.
So I'm right there with you.
It is absolutely voodoo.
So what lead you?
You've got the skills of knowledge of computers, which by the late 80s was just completely novel and they didn't know how big of a deal this was going to be.
What led you to crypto and how were you so on the forefront of that movement?
nick spanos
Well, we had escrow payment in 99.
And all of a sudden we got all these letters and stuff and authorities telling us that we can't do it or something like that.
So we shut it down real fast.
And my partner had MindPay, me and my partner Steve.
I'm not going to give his name.
MindPay, Mindcash in 04.
And I was a libertarian.
And we're all waiting for, you know, the perfect, it didn't work because it was centralized, right?
harrison smith
So that's sort of the early iterations of crypto?
nick spanos
Yeah.
I mean, Bitcoin came out in the white, oh, the white paper came out in 08 on Halloween.
And, you know, it changed the world.
harrison smith
Did you know it was going to change the world from the instant you heard about Bitcoin?
What did you think about it?
nick spanos
It was on at a, I think it was Valley Forge.
It was a Ron Paul event.
We had a Valley Forge.
And the girl was talking and giving us the white paper and talking about it.
And I was like, eh, it's not going to work because ours, you know, and then, you know, later, you know, I read it later and said, holy fuck.
harrison smith
It's okay.
Gosh darn it.
nick spanos
You said, gosh, darn it.
He's telling me not to curse because it's on the radio.
So I'm not cursing.
harrison smith
It's a handicap.
It's hard.
So you said, gosh darn it, this could work.
unidentified
Yeah.
harrison smith
And so you got in and you could tell us about the first exchange and why you put it where you put it.
nick spanos
I traded a domain name for a bunch of Bitcoin, but then I left it on the laptop phone bank or something.
But whatever.
I'm not going to even say that because they're going to make like the pizza day.
They're going to say the domain name day.
So I'm not even going to tell you how much it was.
harrison smith
You're talking about the people that, you know, they bought pizza with Bitcoin and now it'd be worth $10 million or something.
nick spanos
Billion, yeah.
harrison smith
Billion, yeah.
That's completely crazy.
So how did you make this?
You made the exchange, the first live cryptocurrency exchange.
nick spanos
Oh, that one.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
I thought you meant something else.
My first exchange for Bitcoin.
harrison smith
No, yeah, not your first exchange, but the first, the cryptocurrency exchange that you put just 100 feet from the New York Stock Exchange.
Explain creating this and why you wanted to put it so close to the.
nick spanos
Well, yeah, I wanted to make a statement there, but what happened was the same people that were bashing Ron Paul in the media were bashing Bitcoin.
Same exact people.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
Like, what the heck are they doing?
What's their angle?
And I'm like, and I thought to myself, you know, I've promoted all like Paul Tsangis was a fiscal conservative, even though he was a Democrat, right?
He had a call to Economic Arms was a book.
He was talking about the Fed.
And candidates up until Ron were against, you know, the Federal Reserve.
And I said, you know what?
I'm going to make Bitcoin my candidate because we were winning in Iowa and then the media started saying all this lies about Ron the last week, you know, nine days before the, you know, you go to the ballot box.
And, you know, we came in third or whatever, but we were first.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
So I said, I'm going to make Bitcoin my candidate because they can't destroy Bitcoin on election day.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
There's no election day for Bitcoin.
Every day is Bitcoin's election day.
And they can't destroy Bitcoin.
I'm going to make Bitcoin my candidate.
And then I went to the stock exchange and I said, listen, I want to rent a booth in your stock.
And they thought I was crazy.
And I made it all the way up to the chairman, the chairperson.
And, you know, they're laughing at me.
Oh, it was like video game money, whatever.
harrison smith
So when was this?
What year was this?
nick spanos
2012, maybe?
harrison smith
This is 2012.
nick spanos
Okay.
Early 15, maybe 12, late 12, I don't remember.
So I said, screw it.
I'm going to sell it right in front of the place.
They used to do.
harrison smith
So they wouldn't give you a position in the stock exchange.
You thought, screw that.
I'll do it just outside.
nick spanos
I'm going to stand right outside.
I get more visibility than all of it and then the whole place in there.
And I said, what are you doing?
Why don't you want me?
I'm going to have live trades.
The only trades I heard, or the only orders I heard on your floor was for dumplings.
There's no physical trading going on.
You guys, you know, all your people are leaving.
You got the high-speed trading.
Everyone's trying to get a wider pipe next door to put their servers so they can like rob People with algorithms.
I said, listen, this is peer-to-peer.
People can trade.
But they didn't, you know, whatever.
They kicked me out of there pretty much.
And then I said, I'm going to open my own exchange right next door on the ground floor.
So I rented 6,000 square feet.
I mean, I didn't even know, I didn't have the money.
I didn't care.
I don't know how I did it.
I really don't know how I did it.
I rented the floor.
Well, I sold a lot of say things.
harrison smith
Somehow you made money and we can leave it at that.
You're able to get this.
nick spanos
On the ground floor of the Satai building, it was 6,000 square feet with like 40-foot ceilings.
It was incredible space.
And I said, I'm going to open my own exchange.
And I grab all the tray.
I had pretty girls outside because I used to be the general manager of Webster Hall, the largest nightclub in the world when I was 26.
harrison smith
Okay.
nick spanos
I didn't put that on the net.
harrison smith
Yeah, you got a lot of things.
We have a whole list of things to talk about.
nick spanos
You're missing after the politics in 92.
I was frightened because they wanted me to work on the other campaign after that.
And I said, what do you mean?
I'm going to destroy you guys.
And I think they came after me a little when I said that.
I got a hell out of hubris.
harrison smith
So you dropped out of politics for a little while.
nick spanos
I dropped out because after a few weeks of eating that bagel, I remembered my name.
harrison smith
Yeah.
unidentified
I said, yo, this is a dangerous place to be.
nick spanos
And I went to something that was safer.
New York City nightclub.
harrison smith
Yeah, right.
Nothing safer than that.
nick spanos
Safer than the politics.
I'll tell you that much.
harrison smith
That's crazy.
So you knew how to attract attention.
You knew how to get a crowd.
You knew how to draw eyes to you when you were setting up that first exchange.
I wonder, when they rejected you on the New York Stock Exchange, is that because they couldn't wrap their minds around what you were doing and it was just confusing to you?
Or did they understand what you were doing and said, we don't want that.
We don't want to help you because we understand what a threat that is?
nick spanos
At that point, they didn't know what it was.
And I didn't have any licenses or anything.
I mean, I didn't know anything about the stock market or stock exchange, Series 7, Series, whatever, all those series.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
So I went for the World Series.
harrison smith
And, you know, clearly, I mean, the path Bitcoin has taken is so awesome.
And I was watching the really incredible speech by Ross Ulbricht, and he put it, I wish I had grabbed the clip because I'd like to play it.
But, you know, he said, you know, I went to jail basically because of this thing called Bitcoin back when people didn't really know what it was.
But he was sent to jail for it.
And then, you know, 10, 11 years later, Bitcoin frees him from prison, essentially, because it's such a powerful community and the people are so involved.
And it's got this libertarian political bent to it.
And so obviously by working with Trump and getting the pardon, they got Ross Ulbricht out.
So it is amazing that he goes to jail when Bitcoin is this, it's in its nascent phase.
It's barely gotten started.
And then eventually it gets powerful enough to actually free him from federal prison.
And I think that it's an amazing example of just like what has happened with Bitcoin over the last decade or so.
It's become just this incredibly powerful force.
How have you seen this rise of Bitcoin?
What do you think it means for humanity?
nick spanos
Well, I know what it should mean and I know what it could do.
And that's why I'm in Africa with my friend Ray.
Ray has a company, noones.com.
Plugged it.
harrison smith
Say it again, no ones?
nick spanos
No ones.
harrison smith
Noones.com.
nick spanos
Don't look for us.
We're no ones.
unidentified
Okay.
nick spanos
And we promote pan-African trade because in Africa, you can't send to the country next door.
You get charged like 20% bank transfers.
You have to send it to Europe.
It comes back.
London.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
As a matter of fact, send it back or send it to the States for it to come back.
They can't send it cross-border.
So, you know, Bitcoin's perfect for that.
Yeah.
harrison smith
And that's helping to defeat just like the entire globalist scheme of like the IMF coming in and giving loans to these African countries that they can never pay back.
I mean, that's a giant scam.
So by breaking them out of that, that monetary constriction, they can actually be a country for real and not just a slave of the global sector.
nick spanos
Yeah, the IMF thinks it's a big scam.
They make them.
So what happens is everybody comes and visits Washington.
And, you know, I had an advanced company.
I still do it.
And I'd take these delegations around, whatever.
But they were only waiting for the IMF call.
And then they'll cancel any meeting and they'll run to the IMF.
And the IMF gives them like a little slush fund to pay off their parliament to pass these bills that, you know, put Ivana Kutchercock off as the doctor, Surgeon General.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
And all these things.
And as a matter of fact, in Kenya, they wanted to make all the farmland deeds into 100-year leases.
And not one person in the country knew about it.
And during the Pan-African trade, we put together the Pan-African Trade Summit.
And we were calling politicians from around Africa to come.
And they were trying to do a litmus test on us or what the heck it was about.
I said, I can say screw.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
nick spanos
Screw them.
I said, I'm going to call the kids, the university kids, the leaders of the universities, right?
And each one has 100,000, 150,000 students.
So we brought them to Catholic University in Naomi, Nairobi, and set up the Pan African Trade Summit with Ray, Yusuf.
And then we explained to them what was going on, what was happening.
And I don't know, a few days later, there was some protesting.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
But, you know, they're heavy-handed over there.
harrison smith
Yeah, they don't quite have the freedom of protest that we do here.
nick spanos
So they took the guns away from them.
harrison smith
Yeah, I gave you.
nick spanos
So when they took the guns away from him, after that, it was slaughter.
harrison smith
Yeah.
So they're passing things like this, where it's like, okay, all the farmland, and Africa, of course, has plenty of farmland, but they're going to convert it into all 99-year leases.
Basically, they're doing this stuff behind the scenes quietly.
And as long as nobody knows about it, they can get away with it.
And it just sort of gets implemented.
And we look around and go, wait, it's like this since when?
And they go, don't worry about it.
We had a vote.
But when you're able to identify it and then actually make the citizens aware, they can actually protest against it and try to stop it.
And that's just one of like a whole number of sort of globe.
nick spanos
You can't confirm or deny that I did that.
harrison smith
Well, or that it even happened.
But the point is that, you know, Bitcoin can actually help to defeat this system that they've been running incredibly successful for the last 60 years of just impoverishing countries, taking countries over, forcing them into basically slave status where they go, we're going to give you all these billions of dollars as long as you then give us a portion of your tax revenue for all of time.
And the African leadership just takes the money, buys themselves a bunch of nice stuff, gives the people nothing.
So the people are still destitute.
Only now they have an endless bill to the IMF that they'll never actually pay entirely off.
So it's helping to fight stuff like that.
And you've been the center of all of it.
We're going to go to a commercial break here.
We'll be right back with Nick Spanos.
Follow him on X at Nick Spanos, S-P-A-N-O-S.
He, of course, is the inventor of the multi-branch blockchain.
nick spanos
Blockchain voting.
harrison smith
And blockchain voting is another possibility.
Really, you know.
nick spanos
You have the patent on blockchain voting and paper ballot blockchain voting.
harrison smith
Oh, you've invented that and you have the palette.
nick spanos
And we even used it.
harrison smith
We've barely scratched the surface of what Bitcoin is capable of and what the blockchain could do for human freedom.
More with Nick Spanos on the other side.
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You want to try it?
unidentified
Try it out.
harrison smith
All right, we'll be right back, folks.
unidentified
All right, welcome back, folks.
harrison smith
This is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
Sorry for the slight delay.
We're trying to figure out which of the videos we were trying to play from my guest, Nick Spanos.
He's the inventor of the multi-branch blockchain in 2013.
He founded the first live cryptocurrency exchange.
But we were just trying to figure out which video it was.
Was it the one where you're escorting the Pope through Jerusalem or the one in Africa with the Pan-African?
You've been all over the world doing all sorts of crazy stuff.
Is this just because you were sort of first off the mark when it came to Bitcoin?
I mean, what allows you to do the sort of globe trotting activism that you were just talking about in Kenya?
And you've been all over the world doing this.
Is it just because you were first off the block with Bitcoin?
Or is there something special about the knowledge that you had that allowed you to sort of take advantage of the emerging crypto?
nick spanos
Yeah, well, I'm an advanceman, which means I set up events for like VIPs, like the ecumenical patriarch, religious leader of 300 million Orthodox Christians, the Pope, I don't know.
Presidential candidates and stuff.
So I've been around.
I know how a lot of stuff works.
And like I said, Bitcoin's going to be my candidate.
So Bitcoin wasn't only running in the States and the way they treated us in New York, if they didn't treat us that way, maybe I wouldn't have ran all over the place and brought it to Dubai and brought it to, I don't know, all these countries,
Sri Lanka, Saudi, we built a Bitcoin center, blockchain center in Medina University, Medina, oh, something Valley, Tabor Valley University, and I don't know, some Eastern Bloc countries.
And I forgot.
harrison smith
So do these countries?
nick spanos
I can't go back with my phone.
unidentified
I can't go back.
harrison smith
I know you were saying that earlier.
Like, I just go forward.
I just keep moving forward.
And here we are trying to do a big retrospective, talk about how you've been involved in all this stuff.
So is it like the leaders of Saudi Arabia go, hey, we heard about this Bitcoin thing.
We're looking for somebody and they find your name and come to you?
Or do you have to go to the next one?
nick spanos
No, no, no.
We reached out.
Yeah, we reached out and they probably heard about it, whatever, and got meetings.
I went and pitched it to a Rampo, but it was too early.
Everything was too early.
But it doesn't matter.
At least, you know, someone has to be there first.
I'm usually there first.
I built getaroom.com in 95, no more hotels.
That was the first Airbnb.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
And then the towers came down and everyone stopped their credit card because they couldn't fly for three weeks.
I got wiped out then, too.
And I built a livery cab, which was the first Uber, but no one had a smartphone.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
And I never raised money.
I always bootstrapped everything.
So they then later, Uber bought everyone smartphones.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
So you're too far ahead of the curve on some of these.
nick spanos
Too fucking early.
harrison smith
On some of these cases.
Too gosh darn early on some of these cases.
nick spanos
It's a curse.
harrison smith
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that, that, and so what gives you the insight to see stuff like that?
Because you just mentioned this, you know, a cab company, a housing company.
You know, it seems like I feel like I did this with when Netflix first came out.
It was easy for me to go, okay, if this is the case, all right, you know, if Netflix is here, then, you know, these movie rental houses are going to go out, you know, a fashion.
And then, you know, it just made sense to me that I was like, okay, why do they even need Netflix?
Why wouldn't the studios themselves create their own platforms?
It just seemed obvious to me to see, okay, Disney's going to have its own Netflix, Paramount's going to have it.
And eventually it did, you know, happen like that.
So to me, it was easy that once you saw, okay, here's the potential, live streaming on the internet.
It just became obvious how everything would roll out.
Is that what happened with you where you go, okay, why do we need hotels?
Why do we need a cab company if people can just connect peer-to-peer?
Is it the peer-to-peer aspect that caused that revolution of thought that allowed you to sort of come up with all these ideas that were ahead of their time?
nick spanos
Yeah, you know, I don't know.
I always see the future.
It's a curse.
It really is.
I always see the future.
It's bad.
And I even see the mostly dystopian future.
But in the early internet, I bought 12,000 domain names early on.
I mean, I didn't have money for food.
I was buying names.
Everyone thought I was crazy because they were never even on the internet.
unidentified
Right.
nick spanos
Like, what are you doing?
You're buying a name on.
unidentified
Right.
harrison smith
That must be.
nick spanos
What do you mean?
harrison smith
Is it like a fucking number?
I don't understand.
unidentified
Yeah.
nick spanos
No, I was like.
What do you mean you're buying a name?
I said, it's a digital scarcity.
It's the only digital scarcity.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
Yeah.
harrison smith
So just seeing it around the truth.
unidentified
All right.
harrison smith
Well, so what's next?
I mean, where does this go from here?
nick spanos
Oh, my God.
harrison smith
I mean, we see the way that the government is, you know, I think it seems to me like they finally realized, and by the way, he's playing with his little Alex Jones stress ball.
Hold on, hold it down where it was.
We'll do this Alex Jones stress ball.
Now on sale at these.
nick spanos
I never say I told you so.
harrison smith
The AlexJones store.com.
It's an awesome old toy.
So what happens next?
It seems to me like the government tried its hardest to defeat Bitcoin, and they just realized they couldn't do it.
So now they're trying to sort of co-opt it and they want, you know, they're passing laws about crypto.
They're passing laws about AI.
What do you see the future of Bitcoin and blockchain being?
nick spanos
Well, right now everyone's talking about stablecoins because they had the Stablecoin Act come out and stuff.
And, you know, it's okay.
It's like gateway drug, Bitcoin.
I was really frightened that the CBDC was going to come out over here.
It came out in Nigeria during the election season.
That was a bad move for those guys because it's pretty easy to move around the visibility of certain things in Africa is pretty cheap.
unidentified
And they kind of lost.
nick spanos
I mean, it's there.
I think they have like a million dollars worth trading or something of their CBDC.
But at that time, it was during the election season.
And we made, well, they made the guy made the guy look bad who was the incumbent.
So he stopped the CBDC.
harrison smith
Okay.
Yeah, I didn't even know that was happening.
So they tried to implement a CBDC, like a state-backed one in Nigeria.
nick spanos
Yeah.
harrison smith
And it didn't work out.
nick spanos
They have it.
They have it.
But there's no volume.
There's no nothing now.
But they stopped it during the election season, but that's when they tried to launch it.
And, you know, all eyes on the central bank digital currency, which is the worst thing ever because they're going to train you.
I call it dolphin coin.
They're going to make you do a flip so you can use your own money.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
If you're, you know, maybe they have the accelerometer on your phone and the camera watching you.
And if you're laughing during some Biden-esque speech face crime from 1984.
Stevens shaking or something.
Say, oh, this guy laughed.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
Maybe they'll freeze your money.
I don't know.
harrison smith
You know, it's not out of their own possibility.
We saw what they did with the truckers in Canada.
nick spanos
They've thrown those guys out, yeah, with the Bitcoin.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
Bitcoin was a total lifeline for them.
So what do you think?
Do you think the government learned lessons from what happened in Nigeria?
Like, obviously, they're not going to give up on trying to implement a CBDC, right?
Because that's the ultimate control.
nick spanos
Yeah, I mean, that's going to be the worst thing ever because, you know, they're not going to let you go five miles away from your house because you're burning too many.
You got to sequester that much carbon to whatever they come up with.
If you give power, a politicians' job is not to make that.
They think their job, I put a lot of politicians in office because I used to do a lot of, I did political data and stuff.
And most of them, once they're raising money from friends and family, right, the first time out, congressmen.
And then let's say they win.
Then the next, you know, they're perpetually running.
The two-year term is what's the problem with this country because they're just beggars.
And then you got these lobbyists, lobbyists, bribers.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
Right?
It's bribery.
What is it?
Oh, I'm going to pay you to screw your constituency because I'm a lobbyist.
I'm not going to bribe you.
I'm going to pay you.
I'm going to donate to you.
You don't want to have 1,800 other lobbies over here, shell lobbies, and they're going to give you some money too.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
So that's the way the government works.
It's pretty pathetic.
harrison smith
So they end up doing nothing for the people because they spend all their time just worrying about the next election and trying to raise money for it.
That's why people have asked me if I wanted to run, and I talk to somebody and they go, well, you know, if you ran, your job would mostly be just to be on the phone calling people asking for money.
And I thought, well, I'm never going to do it.
I'm not doing that.
I'm not just spending all my time begging people to give me money in exchange for, like you said, screwing over constituents.
It's a messed up system.
So how does blockchain combat or contribute to that?
nick spanos
Well, so I built these blockchain voting machines.
We use them over here in Texas for the Libertarian Party election back in 2016.
And we recorded, that's bloat on the Bitcoin blockchain.
Sorry, guys.
But we record everything on Florincoin, which is not around anymore.
And Bitcoin's in the op return.
There's 80 characters we put in there.
So we had all the results on Florincoin, and then we'd hash that and put it on the Bitcoin blockchain.
And, you know, it was paper ballot, and it would go through the scanner like they're doing today.
And you still have the paper ballot left over, you know, to as archivable and verifiable thing, yeah.
And then it went up on three blockchains.
So I think it was pretty good.
And there's a timestamp so no one could show up at 2 a.m. with a bunch of new ones.
harrison smith
Right.
So it was still like anonymous, right?
You could just see the votes that were counted, but it didn't have the name attached to it or anything.
No, no, no.
But pretty much unfalsifiable.
Like you cannot commit fraud when the blockchain is invoked like that.
nick spanos
Not easy.
It takes away some of the ability to commit fraud.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
Right.
But there's a lot of stuff that could probably happen, but at least you can narrow down.
These things are not happening because it came in at this time and there it is.
And if you scan the thing again, it's going to do the same thing.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
So we pitched that to so many states.
And these guys didn't want to hear it because they already gamed the system that exists.
And I worked on Bush Cheney in 04.
So I'm an EDO specialist also.
Election Day Operations.
So, before a lot of technology that exists today, I would have a room with whiteboards, and I wouldn't let anyone talk to me.
And I have like 20 radios on the table, and they would have to write something.
And depending on the level of urgency, they'd stick it on me.
Or they'd stick it in a different area on the board.
If it's real urgent, they'd stick it right here.
So, and then I would control the lawyers that I dispatched, the poll watchers, you know, statewide.
I did it for Pataki.
And I was doing it down in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach County.
And that was 04.
2000 was the machines, the dangling Chads.
I wasn't there for that.
I had the get a room, the first Airbnb.
But then, I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
It's so much, so much.
So EDO is very important.
harrison smith
That's like the command center on the day of the election.
Just make sure everything is good enough.
Yeah.
nick spanos
So that was fun.
That's pretty fun.
I needed to do a lot of things because I have extreme ADHD.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
As a matter of fact, I have a picture.
I'm building a remote control airplane back in 77.
I'm watching TV and you can't hear the stereo on and I'm doing my homework at the same time.
So that was 77.
So I don't know if anyone could top me.
But if I don't have a lot of things going on, I look like I'm mentally.
harrison smith
Well, and if you were born 40 years later, your parents would have been encouraged to put you on drugs, and they would have snuffed out that right away.
You wouldn't be who you are today if you'd been born a couple years later because they would have treated you for the illness that you have.
nick spanos
It's a gift.
It's a gift.
harrison smith
Exactly, exactly.
So what is now?
I mean, you can see the future.
What happens next?
Obviously, they're trying to implement things now like money that expires.
Australia's just talked about if they come out with the CBDC, you'll have money that expires.
You have to spend in a certain amount of time or else it goes away.
So they're really, I mean, they're going after the concept of ownership, the concept of just private property itself.
And they just want to have everybody renting everything they ever own, never actually owning anything, never being able to pass down anything to your children, money that expires.
I mean, we're seeing the blockchain and we're seeing all of these amazing ways can be used to empower human liberty.
The people in power, obviously, both see that as a threat, and they also see ways that they can use central bank digital currency to keep everybody in a state of slavery.
So, I mean, is this just an arms race at this point?
nick spanos
They took all, yeah, they took all of our technology that they were like, you know, we had the whole ecosystem.
We had everything at the center.
We had, I don't know, every few days of projects coming out of the center, and they came and destroyed us with the Bit license.
And, you know, then now they try to stop us and this and that.
So people went all over the world to do their projects.
But now they're stealing our technology to try to imprison us with the blockchain.
Because if we don't free ourselves with a permissionless, you know, blockchain, they're going to imprison us with something.
They're going to call a blockchain.
They're going to do all these things.
And it's scary because just like the worst than any movie you've ever seen is our potential dystopian future.
Now, we have this, the CBDC Act, I forget what it's called, but there's ways that they said that the Federal Reserve can't take information from people.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
You know, it's not what it should be.
So they know you can't do anything.
Blah, blah, blah.
You can't make your own this.
You know, it's so this, when they make legislation, they got to cut deals with everybody.
It's not like, oh, here it is and whatever.
When that happens, it never passes, right?
So they want it to pass.
They got to cut deals with this guy.
They got to cut deals with that clown.
That guy took money from this outfit.
That guy took money from those Builder Burgers.
And that guy took money from those guys.
And then they come up with this piece of paper that looks so crazy.
You're like, what the heck is this?
And then they slip in there.
You know, you got the Baby Bill Act, and they slip in there like bombs for whatever.
So the whole thing's warped.
It's just warped.
I mean, I think a bill should just be one bill for one subject, and that's it, you know?
harrison smith
You would think.
And they'd have to read it and actually discuss it beforehand.
nick spanos
So now it's stablecoin.
So all the companies now are going to make their own stablecoin.
It used to be that, you know, Woolworth had its own currency.
Ben Franklin was a printer of currency, right?
harrison smith
Right, right.
nick spanos
But it was redeemable for the gold.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
So right now, whatever, it would be redeemable for the voodoo paper that they have to lock up to make this stable coin.
Stable to what?
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
Stable to losing your life's work in some lithogram.
My grandmother gave me a $100 bill one time.
And I was like, because she was like a seamstress.
And she used to make like $30 a week or something.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
$28 a week.
She gives me this $100 bill that she had stashed.
She had her money stashed somewhere.
I don't know where.
She goes, yeah, take.
And I'm like, I might be able to buy around that tonight.
Oh, thank you, Grandma.
I'm like, how can I tell the lady that's worthless?
Worthless.
harrison smith
Yeah.
Trying not to curse, I know.
nick spanos
You know, I mean, they.
harrison smith
You're talking about the Fed.
It's hard not to curse.
nick spanos
They're stealing people's lives.
harrison smith
Seriously.
nick spanos
We think that we thought that, you know, Lincoln freed the slaves.
Well, he made the greenback that had no, nothing.
It was redeemable and nothing.
And these vipers came and saw that.
They're like, wow, people are accepting voodoo paper that's redeemable and nothing.
And we can do it too.
So they took the train ride to Jekyll Island, figured it out.
So I think I get so angry.
I still get angry.
Look, see how angry I am?
I shouldn't be angry.
I should be laying on a beach somewhere like all the other people I made rich.
harrison smith
You know?
nick spanos
They're like figuring out where, which interior decorator to use.
So angry.
harrison smith
And you're like the Fed's still Out there.
I haven't slayed the dragon yet.
nick spanos
I can't believe these people.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, and it's true.
And I try to make that point a lot, too.
When we talk about money, you know, it's easy just to throw around numbers, billion, trillion, whatever.
And it's like, no, this is people's life that is being stolen from them.
When they take half of your paycheck, which is what they do when you add up all the taxes, I mean, you're working January through June for the federal government.
They are taking half of your life away for themselves.
And so I completely agree.
unidentified
Taxes?
nick spanos
That's crazy.
harrison smith
It's insane.
nick spanos
They're printing up fake pieces of paper and they want you to go around and collect the fake pieces of paper all year to give it back to them.
harrison smith
It's absurd.
nick spanos
Right?
That's worse than slavery.
You're a trained monkey.
You're a trained monkey.
Like I said, Lincoln, they say Lincoln freed the slaves.
No, by making the greenback and showing these vipers how stupid people are, you know, he enslaved everybody on the whole planet.
harrison smith
Right.
nick spanos
That's what Lincoln did.
Lincoln enslaved everyone on the whole planet.
They don't even know they're slaves.
And they work their whole lives.
They're driven into the dirt.
They're driven into the dirt.
They never have any pleasure.
They're always worrying about this voodoo paper.
And they're saying, oh, the prices are going up.
unidentified
Oh.
nick spanos
There's no price going up.
They're just printing more like drunken sailors over there.
And it was...
harrison smith
No, it's a weird thing.
I'm telling you, I mean, just to express yourself on this, yeah, it's hard not to use those four-letter words because it is that infuriating when you really think about how much they've done.
And when you look back at the potential that we had as a nation, how it's just been destroyed and increasingly because of the effects of 1913 and the creation of the Fed and income tax and these ridiculous things we never should have bought onto.
But of course, it's always incremental, right?
The income tax was just for the 1% and just while the war is going on.
And here we are.
nick spanos
But they made the income tax to give the voodoo paper value because if you didn't pick it up and give it back to them, they put you in a cage.
So all of a sudden, oh, it does have value.
unidentified
It keeps me out of a cage.
nick spanos
Keep me out of the cage redeemability.
harrison smith
Yeah.
So, I mean, what's a solution to this?
And because obviously.
nick spanos
You're the solution.
Alex Jones is a solution.
You guys get in on.
Come on.
What are we doing?
harrison smith
Well, so what do we do?
nick spanos
The audience is a solution.
harrison smith
So they should be.
nick spanos
So what happened was we had to audit the Fed bill.
That just reminded me.
harrison smith
Yeah.
nick spanos
Right.
So with our volunteers, we're on poll volunteers.
We got them to run around and chase after their elected officials when they came to town to give a speech so they can get more votes, even though they took the lobby money to make sure that everyone gets screwed in their constituency.
So we chase them with the camera and say, why won't you?
Would you help author?
Why won't you?
Are you going to vote for it?
Yes or no?
And then we'd post it on Facebook back then and YouTube.
And that worked pretty well.
And we passed it in the House.
And then it went to the Senate.
And we thought we had all the votes in the Senate.
But Bernie and this other, I forgot the other guy's name.
They said that they were going to vote for it.
And then they went the other way, you know, zero-summed us.
And we lost in the Senate.
And then Bernie came out with one, audit the Fed, which had no teeth nothing.
harrison smith
He came out of the zone.
nick spanos
No teeth, no.
harrison smith
When was this?
nick spanos
That was like 209, 210.
harrison smith
Well, it seems like we're, you know, obviously Trump's got some issues with the Fed.
We only about two minutes left in this show.
So what do you think is next?
What do you think people need to know just in their personal lives?
Like, should they just be buying Bitcoin?
Well, you can't give, he's not going to give financial advice.
He will not give financial advice, but just in general, what do you think people should be prepared for in the future?
nick spanos
Well, I think that Bitcoin is the only currency on the planet because, you know, it's only 21 million.
But, you know, BlackRock and the ETFs, you know, I have some, I mean, Hamdan explained it to you.
You can go back and look at Hamdan's thing.
But, you know, these guys have this ETF where the fine print says, oh, we can take all your money that you have, that you think you have in Bitcoin, and we can buy another coin or a fork of Bitcoin or this and that.
So they're going to come out with some fake collision, right?
Cryptographic collision and say, oh, that this looks like, you know, SHA-256 is in the past now because we have some quantum machine computers.
But, you know, AES is going to go first.
You know, the prime number is going to go before elliptic curve.
But anyway, they're going to say all this stuff and then BlackRock will say, oh, we're going to this fork, right?
And they're going to put, you have to register your wallet to be able to use it.
They're going to sell all the Bitcoin, the real Bitcoin, and they're going to take that money.
They're going to buy the fake fork.
All of a sudden, everyone's going, but you're going to have both.
You're going to have Bitcoin and their fork, right?
Just like cash, Bitcoin, cash, and whatever.
You're going to have the fork.
But they're going to lower the value of Bitcoin and they're going to raise the value of their, can I say bullshit?
harrison smith
Man.
nick spanos
Bullshit coin.
And people, they're not going to know the difference, you know, and they're going to be like, oh, sell that for the old, the classic, like they did to Ethereum, right?
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
nick spanos
And then, you know, then I don't know if Bitcoin is the way to go, but you'll have dollars, you know, worth of something.
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell you.
You know, I think the privacy coins are going to get hot again.
And it's needed.
I think the people have to take personal responsibility and fight and push their local representation to have real stuff.
And you have to, you know, because these guys are going to do that.
It's in the future.
harrison smith
They're going to manipulate it if they can.
It's a very exciting time.
The world is changing.
Nick Spanos is on the forefront of it.
Follow him on X at Nick Spanos.
And we barely scratched the surface of this guy's life.
We're going to have to have a few getting on very soon, sir.
nick spanos
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
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