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unidentified
You hold the data for 75 years, all of the clinical data, for 75 years from these if you were trying to be transparent.
Tell me why.
We don't give experimental products to pregnant women.
We don't give experimental products to babies that have a death profile like this.
We got a colon biopsy from a group in Germany that we've been working with, and we were quite shocked by the results.
This is a person who was vaccinated four times by Pfizer.
One year since vaccination, tumors emerged, person was dead within a month.
We got three biopsies out of them.
One postmortem, all of them have SV40 and the origin of replication from the Pfizer vaccine.
jon bowne
SV40, or simian virus 40, reared its ugly head back in 1960 when scientists spotted it lurking in rhesus monkey kidney cell cultures that were being held to whip up polio vaccines.
SV40, a tumor-making machine, has the large T Antigen, a molecular wrecking ball that smashes into cellular control systems like P53 and retinoblastoma protein pathways, turning normal cells into rogue cancer factories.
Fast forward to 2025, and messengers from a myriad of professions are shouting from the rooftops about SV40's presence in the COVID vaccines.
angus dalgleish
These vaccines are not vaccines.
They are, in fact...
Gene therapy based.
This genomic integration, as the scientific literature makes clear, can lead to cancer development, immune system disruption and more.
The sheer levels of contamination detected, up to 145 times permissible limit in some cases, are extraordinary and far beyond what should be allowed in any medicinal product.
In my work as an oncologist in the UK, I started to see a disturbing trend as early as February 2022.
Patients who had been cancer-free for many years were suddenly relapsing with aggressive explosive cancers shortly after receiving booster doses of the COVID-19 vaccine.
nicolas hulscher
We have multiple studies now demonstrating a link between these COVID-19 shots and cancer.
We have about 10, over 10 case reports in the peer-reviewed literature where people get these shots and then all of a sudden they get these massive tumors in rare spots.
Usually you don't see tumors in these spots.
And so they get these so-called turbo cancers.
Where they might have some cancer activity in their body before the shot, but it's largely checked.
It's checked in place, and then you introduce these immune-disregulating genetic injections, and it kind of unchecks that balance, and then this cancer grows uncontrollably.
unidentified
Cerebral cancers, they're happening in pregnant women.
They're happening in young kids, as I said, as young as 12 years old, but high school kids are coming down with these cancers.
The turbo cancers, I'm seeing lymphomas, I'm seeing brain cancers, stage four brain cancers, and then breast cancers, colon cancers, lung cancers.
The leukemias that are showing up in the COVID vaccinated individuals, they can kill in a matter of days or even hours.
Okay. And yes, angiogenesis occurs in cancer anyway, but not to this rate.
And I showed that by showing it's also occurring with lipomas, which are fatty tumors, which are benign.
They're not malignant cancers.
Those are also growing really fast and something called granulation tissue, which occurs in wound repair.
These cancers, because of the dysregulation of the immune responses and the suppression of the immune system by these genetic-based injections and so many other mechanisms, these cancers that normally would be kept in check by the body are unexpectedly growing very quickly.
I have a friend who was in remission from cancer and had been doing great, and her doctor insisted that she got the shot.
And like three weeks later, the cancer was back full-blown.
She went to stage four.
jon bowne
This report serves merely as a reminder that there is much more work to be done preparing for the potential acceleration of cancers in the very near future.
John Bowne reporting for InfoWars.
unidentified
InfoWars.
It's Friday, April 11th in the year of our Lord 2025.
And you're listening to the American Journal with your host, Harrison Smith.
Watch it live right now at band.video.
I think it's time to blow this thing.
harrison smith
Get everybody in the stuff together.
Okay, three, two, one, let's jam.
unidentified
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.
harrison smith
Welcome to the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
We're going to be live this Friday morning, the 11th of April, 2025.
unidentified
We got a lot to talk about today.
harrison smith
today some pretty big news breaking overnight about a number of different topics including of course the tariffs in china china responds another tit-for-tat exchange in this trade war that we'll get into and i guess
uh i guess
I don't know.
We'll take your calls.
We're going to be joined in the third hour by Dash, the great activist here in Austin.
Trails around exposing the homeless camps.
Very excited to talk to him about the situation.
The situation not just here in Austin, but around the entire country as our safety and well-being is deliberately eradicated for the comfort of criminals.
So, very excited to talk to him.
About all of that.
Woke up this morning.
Heard a lot of news about Israel.
Unfortunately. Unfortunately, I guess Joe Rogan had a big debate between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray.
And so we'll show you some clips from that, but that's like dominating my timeline, personally.
I got some things to say about it.
I guess.
And we'll get into all of that.
I'm just kind of sick of it, personally.
Talking about it.
Thinking about it.
Having our entire country hijacked for it.
It's a little bit exhausting.
And I don't know what it...
It probably is just my...
Whatever my algorithm is.
But it's like you wake up and it's Dave Smith and Douglas Murray had a debate about Israel.
And everybody's commenting on that.
So that's one thing.
Then the next headline I read is about the next video I saw is about Trump talking about the potentiality for military conflict in Iran.
Okay. Might do this again.
Alright. Cool.
We'll tuck that away.
And the next story I read was about how Trump wants to put Columbia University under federal management to stop people from speaking out.
Against the war in Gaza.
Like, okay.
And the next story I read was about how some Israeli person has now been declared the anti-Semitism czar for the U.S. government.
Like, okay?
I mean, I'm not kidding.
Literally, I woke up today and the first five, ten stories were about specifically Israeli control of America.
It's just like, I guess that's what we're doing.
I guess that's what we're talking about today.
So we'll get into it.
I'll show you clips from the debate last night.
But it sucks.
It sucks because, well, it's everybody else's perception, unfortunately, that we have to deal with.
I'm constantly torn.
I want to say that I'm constantly torn between wanting to be nice and tell the truth.
And I guess that's sort of a way to phrase it.
I genuinely feel sympathy for the people in our audience that have been brainwashed and hoodwinked by the media landscape that has them incapable Of discussing reality without getting their feelings hurt,
and I don't want to hurt their feelings.
I really don't.
At the same time, we're dealing with just unrepentant and unrestricted evil, so I guess we'll have to get into it.
I guess we'll just have to get into it a little bit later.
But we'll begin today as we do every day with our daily dispatch.
unidentified
*Bell rings*
harrison smith
Alright, here it is folks, your daily dispatch for Friday the 11th of April 2025.
China lifts tariffs on U.S. goods to 125% as trade war escalates.
China said Friday would raise tariffs on U.S. goods to 125% in a further escalation of a trade war that threatens to bring exports to a halt between the world's two biggest economies.
Beijing's retaliation sparked fresh market volatility.
With European stocks seesawing following the announcement while Tokyo and Seoul closed in the red, and a side of investors' worry about the health of the U.S. economy under President Trump's erratic stewardship, the dollar fell to a three-year low against the euro and by 1.3% against the yen.
In Beijing, China's State Council Tariff Commission said new tariffs of 125% on U.S. goods will take effect Saturday, almost matching the staggering 145% level imposed on Chinese goods.
That's your latest update there.
Meanwhile, U.S. seeks consent decree on Columbia over protests.
Wall Street Journal reports they changed that headline, but I guess that's what they're calling it now.
The Trump administration is working to force Columbia University into a consent decree that would legally bind the school to follow federal guidelines in how it combats anti-Semitism, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.
The newspaper, citing unnamed sources familiar with the matter, reported that the potential consent decree is part of the administration's negotiations with the university for freeing up $400 million in federal funding that has been blocked.
Which is one way of putting it.
Which I guess is one way of putting that?
The potential consent decree in other words, oversight board is part of the administration's negotiations That is a part of the Jewish elite's blackmail of the university over freeing up $400 million in federal funding that has been blocked.
Another way to say that would be it's releasing $400 million of extortion money being withheld until demands are met like a ransom.
So great.
So wonderful.
Any dissent decree with Columbia could last for years and would give a federal judge oversight powers for ensuring that the school adheres to any agreements it meets with the federal government on how it addresses anti-Semitism, the journal said.
Yeah, so Jewish Inquisitor is what they'd be called.
Be called the Inquisitor to make sure that no blasphemy is being spread on the university.
Again, it's just, is this not outrageous?
Are you not outraged by this?
Is this not infuriating?
How much longer are we going to have to put up with this?
Seriously. And it's one thing, like, the original headline, let me see if I can find the actual headline from that as I, yeah, Trump wants federal oversight of Columbia University.
That was the story from the Wall Street Journal.
Federal oversight of Columbia University.
Okay. Where...
Where are my small government Republicans here?
The federal oversight of Columbia University?
It's just, I wish we could just stop...
Oh, man.
And again, you'll see this in clips with Dave Smith and Douglas Murray, too.
I feel like we are...
We're bound by rhetoric.
We're, like, tied up.
We're being hogtied by rhetoric.
Because like I said, I mean, just the way everything is phrased, as I just explained, right?
You can say like, well, they are asking for a potential consent decree before federal funding is released.
Or you can say that they're being forced and extorted to submit to basically racial supremacy or else Jews will destroy their college.
They'll destroy their university for not allowing students to protest war.
If you can call it war.
More like mass murder.
More like genocide.
unidentified
slide.
harrison smith
Anyway, it's incredibly infuriating.
It'd be one thing if the federal government wanted oversight of Columbia.
To benefit the people of America.
It would actually make some sort of sense, even though it would be objectionable, even though it would be wrong and I'd argue against it, it at least logically conforms to some sort of chain of events.
You say like the federal government is going to put an inquisitor over Columbia to guarantee that all of their content adheres to the will of the state.
That's what they do in China.
That's what they do, you know, all over the world.
And while I'm against it, because I think people should have the right to free speech, it's not exactly illogical, the idea that the Chinese government would send Chinese government agents into Chinese universities to make sure that the universities were teaching things approved by the Chinese government.
All of that sort of conforms to a general sense of understanding.
That's not what's happening here, is it?
Not the federal government of the United States going in to make sure Columbia is teaching about the Bill of Rights.
They're not going in to teach to make sure they're on the up and up when it comes to the way they discuss the founding fathers.
And they're certainly not going in to make sure that white people are not being demonized and criticized again.
We have to do this again.
Over and over and over and over and over.
We have to say that we have to have the same.
Conversation. DOT chief warns against fear-mongering as second aircraft crash turns fatal.
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Sean Duffy took to X to criticize Democratic congressmen for raising concerns about cuts to the FAA following a minor collision between two planes on Thursday.
News broke of a second, far more serious aircraft.
...accident, a fatal helicopter crash with reportedly no survivors.
Six people died when a helicopter crashed in the Hudson River Thursday afternoon.
A person familiar with the situation told CBS News.
The news outlets, the media outlets, local New York affiliate reported the incident happened at roughly 3 p.m.
Thursday near Jersey City, not far from River Drive South, etc., etc.
Three adults and at least two children were on board.
Sean Duffy, Secretary Duffy, rather.
Posted a response on X to U.S. Representative Josh Gottheimer, who'd been a passenger in the earlier non-fatal plane incident.
At least five other members of Congress were aboard the plane, whose wing was clipped, NBC News reported.
At the time, no mention had yet been made on Duffy's social media account regarding the helicopter crash.
By 4.40 p.m., nearly 90 minutes after the deadly incident occurred, he'd shared additional posts, including praise for President Donald Trump and no mention of the deadly accident.
While waiting to take off at a runway at DCA just now, another plane struck our wing.
Congressman Gottheimer wrote earlier Thursday afternoon, thankfully everyone is safe.
Just a reminder, recent cuts to the FAA weaken our skies and public safety.
Actually, what's weakened our skies and public safety is the desperate drive to allow black people to cheat to get jobs they're not qualified for to make the numbers feel good and planes are falling out of the sky.
Women too.
No cuts to FAA that were made two weeks ago have caused your planes to crash into each other.
However, the affirmative action that was instituted 10 years ago is finally coming to fruition.
Obviously. Meanwhile, read the Russian collusion memos President Trump declassified and Kash Patel gave to Congress.
Nearly 700 pages of declassified records from the FBI's Crossfire Hurricane investigation into now discredited claims of the 2016 Trump campaign's collusion with Russia were turned over to Congress by the FBI this week and obtained Thursday exclusively by Just the News.
You can read the declassified documents on Just the News, reorganized by subject for easy access and listed alphabetically.
So yes, 700 pages.
Declassified records from Crossfire Hurricane.
Into the now discredited claims of Russia collusion.
So in case you needed more information about the crimes that we know were committed.
So there you go.
You can do a little bit of more reading about the way that all of these despicable scumbags committed treason nearly 10 years ago and are still in positions of power in the American government.
So isn't that nice?
You can get the Bruce Ohr interviews.
You can get the Christopher Steele binder.
You can get the Comey text messages.
You can get defensive briefings.
you can read about Paige and Strzok and their messages.
unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
So, yeah, you can read all about it.
You can read all about it.
We're at the point where we're in such a...
It's like a Groundhog's Day meets Inception.
It's like we're in a dream within a dream that repeats every day.
That's how it feels.
We're in a dream within a dream within a dream within a nightmare within a comedy film within the 1980s.
I guess we just have to do this again.
I guess we're just talking about this again.
What I mean is that we've gotten to the point where It's exhausting and tedious and repetitive to talk about how exhausting, repetitive, and tedious everything is.
You see what I mean?
The inception versus the Groundhog's Day?
Because my only comment about this Russia collusion crap that for the last, I mean, 10 years, for the last decade, we've known all of this.
So for the last 10 years, We've gotten more and more information about the crimes they committed.
More and more evidence.
So it's like my only comment about this is the same comment I've made for the last five years I've done this show every time this type of thing happens.
Which is like, oh look, more proof of the crimes we've known they committed.
When are they going to be executed for treason?
Like, just wake me up.
Wake me up when the nooses are tied.
Wake me up when the scaffolding is set.
The trapdoor's been tested.
Wake me up when it's time to buy the popcorn.
Because what are we doing here?
Because what are we doing?
Like for 10 years, every couple of months, we get more evidence that a murderer killed our mom.
And we know who the murderer is.
And we know how he did it.
And we know why he did it.
We have the murder weapon.
We have the security camera footage of the murder happening.
We have the cell phone data showing that he took your mom to the place where her body was found.
We have him on hidden recording bragging about the act.
We have him in police interrogation breaking down and admitting that he did it.
But we're never going to go to trial.
But we're just never going to go to trial?
And we're supposed to be excited next month?
When his fingerprints are discovered at the scene?
We know what he did.
We know he murdered their mom.
So what are we doing?
I'm not going to get excited about another piece of evidence for what I know is incontrovertibly true and just hasn't been punished.
So what are we doing here?
What are we doing here?
Every one of these names, Admiral Rogers, Bruce Ohr, Christopher Steele, James Comey, Halpern, McCabe, Page, Struck, Priestrap, Wolf.
Has any of them paid even a symbolic price for what they did?
Not what we think they did, not what we speculate that they did, but like what they did.
What we know they did.
unidentified
No, but they had like a couple bad days at work.
harrison smith
Did they?
Did they have a couple bad days at work?
unidentified
Yeah, I'm sure.
harrison smith
Were they asked questions by Congress, the poor babies?
unidentified
Peace. Thank you.
harrison smith
I don't know.
I just don't know anymore.
We'll go to this debate from Dave Smith and Douglas Murray.
Fair warning, though.
It's the same debate.
It's the same debate we've been watching and having for the last year and a half following October 7th and the ensuing genocide.
But ironically, it's the same debate people were having in 2010.
It's the same debate people were having in 2001.
It was the same debate people were having in the 1970s.
When it came to Israel.
The same arguments being made.
The same points and counterpoints.
So I just want to wake up.
I would just like to wake up from this cycle now.
I would like to stop having to do this over and over again.
It must be nice not knowing history because you get to Encounter this stuff over and over.
Even just recent history, and we've talked about it before, where it's like you read accounts from the 1950s and 60s about the Civil Rights Movement, and it's like, oh my god, it sounds like Black Lives Matter.
So you hear these conversations about Black Lives Matter in 2020, you're just hearing it for the first time, it's like, ooh, an exciting back and forth.
It's like, but if you know, if you've heard or watched the debates from the 1960s, it's like, we have been in this argument for 50 years.
unidentified
50 years.
harrison smith
So, okay.
So, this again is the exhausting thing.
Like, it would be one thing if just one aspect of what we talked about was kind of like constantly repeating, like a broken record, constantly hearing the same noise over and over and over.
But it's like everything.
Like everything.
All the major topics, right?
Just like the same conversation over and over and over and over.
So let's listen to it again, shall we?
Dave Smith did do a fantastic job, of course, because he has all of the facts and humanity on his side.
So it's sort of like cheating.
I mean, he sort of has a major leg up.
How do I put this?
So I was going to say, you know, it's like winning a foot race against somebody with no feet.
That's not entirely fair because Douglas Murphy, Murray, Douglas, Murray?
Is very rhetorically sound, like he has some good talking points, and of course he has a gigantic media...
...structure behind him, sort of feeding him talking points and giving him the best.
So it's more like Dave Smith is just a fast runner with his natural legs.
Douglas Murray is a quadriplegic, but he's got a supercharged wheelchair.
So it actually comes out about even just one side is working with and winning on the truth and basic reality and basic humanity, and the other side...
...is winning through a convoluted and complicated and sophisticated-sounding collection of lies.
So, we'll get to that on the other side.
I do want to remind you to go to TheAlexJonesStore.com to support this endless battle.
I guess the price of liberty is eternal vigilance.
Just at a certain point...
You think we'd be able to identify and eradicate our problems rather than just trying to touch them up.
And I guess that would be another good way of illustrating it.
It's like we've never diagnosed and treated the cancer we're suffering under, so we just have to keep going back to the doctor.
Keep getting medicine to deal with the symptoms, but we never actually get to the heart of the issue.
Extricate the cancer and cure ourselves, so we're just going to be constantly sick, constantly going back to the doctor, constantly treating the same symptoms.
We could just tear it out by the heart.
Alright, welcome back folks.
This is the American Journal.
The top trending topic was a debate between Douglas Murray and Dave Smith on the war in Gaza and Israel.
unidentified
real. So, um...
harrison smith
I think we know where I land on this dichotomy, but it's worth it to watch some of these.
To really investigate the the cloaks that evil wears, right?
The disguises that fancy rhetoric puts on atrocities.
And there's something about this guy, Douglas Murray.
Only certain people have it.
I often relate it to the Dolores Umbridge energy.
experience it's sort of a variation on that yeah
unidentified
you.
harrison smith
I don't know what it is.
It's just there's something about people.
Who pretend to be caring and considerate when they're supporting or evincing the most heinous policies you could ever imagine.
It really gets under my skin.
So that's what Douglas Murray is basically doing this entire time.
We'll go first to that last video I just put in because this is the very beginning of the conversation.
We're Joe Rogan sort of introducing the two of them, Douglas Murray and Dave Smith.
Dave Smith is a libertarian.
Dave Smith is Jewish.
I don't know about Douglas Murray.
Doug Smur is a British guy, neocon.
unidentified
Thank you.
Thank you.
harrison smith
So let's go to clip number 10 here.
This is Joe Rogan introducing the two debaters.
joe rogan
I bet you agree on a lot of things.
I bet you disagree on a lot of things.
And it'd be fascinating to see your perspectives on these things.
So that's why you're here together.
unidentified
Okay. Can I ask you something?
joe rogan
Yes, sir.
douglas murray
Since the war in Israel began, and since the war in Ukraine began, you've had quite a lot of people who are very against both in different ways.
Yes. Do you think you've had enough people on...
Who are supportive by the war.
joe rogan
I don't know that word enough.
harrison smith
That's a good word.
Pause it.
alex jones
it.
harrison smith
So we start off.
First things first, out of the debate, the pro-Israel guy is like, I understand you've had a lot of people on.
Why haven't you had on more war propagandists?
Why haven't you had more people in favor of murder?
You're a little one-sided on this whole murder topic.
You keep having people on to say murder is bad.
Have you considered the other side?
Why haven't you had more people in favor of the pointless conflicts that have destroyed our civilization entirely?
A little unfair, Joe.
That's how we start.
That's how we start.
Why have you not had more people on in favor of the war in Ukraine and the war in Israel?
Which is actually a war in Gaza.
Which is actually sort of just a series of massacres in Gaza.
It's a war.
Yeah. It's a war in the same way I go to war with ant piles in my backyard.
Back to the conversation where Douglas Murray starts off by castigating Joe Rogan for not having more pro-war voices on his platform.
Psychopaths. Let's watch.
douglas murray
Let's say enough people are on the side of Israel.
Instead of wild critics.
joe rogan
Well, I've had a few.
I mean, I believe God Sad is on the side of Israel.
harrison smith
Literal Mossad agent.
joe rogan
Jordan is on the side of Israel.
dave smith
You had Mike Baker, Coleman Hughes.
douglas murray
Yeah. Coleman did it for like 20 years.
harrison smith
Not enough.
douglas murray
Why he was here.
harrison smith
It's not enough.
joe rogan
I mean, none of them is why they're here.
You know?
It's a good question.
douglas murray
Do you think you've...
harrison smith
It's not a good question.
douglas murray
Tilted one way.
harrison smith
Yeah, towards peace, psychopath.
douglas murray
No, no, no, just with the guests you've had.
joe rogan
The guests?
Yeah, probably more tilted towards the idea that perhaps the way they've done it is barbaric.
harrison smith
Yeah, the way they've done it.
douglas murray
But why do you think that is?
Just out of interest?
Why is that?
harrison smith
Okay, let's pause it.
Let's just pause it again.
I just, alright.
Maybe we just can't even do this.
Maybe I just can't even do this.
unidentified
I just can't even do this.
harrison smith
Because I'm trying not to curse.
But this is kind of what I mean.
Douglas Murray wants us to exist in a world where this is a debate, where this is a question, where these types of statements have to be quantified or justified when you say, like, it's brutal or horrific.
He's like, well, why would you say that?
It's like, I don't know, have you ever seen a baby that looks like it went through a paper shredder?
Because I've seen that almost every day for a year.
Because of what Israel's doing.
Is that not brutal enough for you, sir?
It needs to be more brutal than that?
unidentified
Okay. So just...
harrison smith
Again, I guess the reason it's like...
So crazy to me.
I don't even want to do this.
Honestly, how this feels to me is you've got two people debating Charlie Manson.
Or two people debating whoever else.
The son of Sam.
Right? They're debating Who's the guy that ate little kids?
John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer, right?
And you've got one guy going, you've had a lot of people that have been really critical of Jeffrey Dahmer.
Most people you invite on are really nasty about John Wayne Gacy Jr.
It's like, well, his crimes were sort of horrific.
And it's like, well, how?
How do you quantify that?
I don't know.
How about the dozens of bodies under his house?
Gentlemen, you young man.
So, I mean, that's how this is.
That's what we're watching here.
That's what we're watching.
Except it's worse.
Except it's not even that simple.
That would actually make more sense.
Right? I mean, how many people did the BTK killer kill?
A couple dozen?
That's an afternoon for the Israelis.
That's like a...
It's like what they do on their break.
So, you know, it's a little bit different.
I guess on a smaller scale, the horror is outsized, but it's not tangibly, physically, literally any different.
That's why it's hard to take this seriously.
Because we shouldn't.
None of this should be taken seriously.
And it wouldn't be if it weren't for people like Douglas Murray who...
Project this sense that this is a debate.
That this is a question upon which you can land on one side or the other.
I'm sorry, but we're talking about genocide here.
We're talking about mass murder.
I mean, I don't even cover it as much as I probably should.
I know people talk like I cover it all the time.
Yesterday, there was a story about Israel bombing some tent city, killing a bunch of kids.
Videos, most horrific things you've ever seen.
I didn't mention it, didn't talk about it.
Today, another story.
Nasser refugee camp.
Israel deliberately targeted and killed two journalists.
A blatant war crime, which they practice on a routine basis.
Wasn't going to mention it, didn't make it into my list of top stories.
But it goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on.
So okay, so now we're here watching the debate between the BTK bind, torture, kill, murderer supporter and the supporter of the victims.
And we're about to be lectured by the supporter of the serial killer about how unfair it is that everybody else on Joe Rogan's show is in favor of the victims.
It's not a total fair approach to this discussion.
unidentified
you.
harrison smith
So let's go back to the serial killer PR expert, Douglas Murray, who again is asking Joe Rogan to qualify the word brutal because apparently tens of thousands of dead babies just like isn't enough for this ghoul.
Let's continue.
douglas murray
I'm interested in your selection of guests because you're like the world's number one podcast.
joe rogan
Yeah, it's not...
I don't...
unidentified
You don't think about it that way.
harrison smith
Say I'm against war, Joe.
Joe, say I'm against war.
Say I like peace.
douglas murray
If you're going to interview historians of the conflict or historians in general.
Why would you get somebody like Ian Carroll?
joe rogan
Yeah, but Ian Carroll, I didn't bring him on for that purpose.
I brought him on because I want to find out, like, how does one get involved in the whole conspiracy theory business?
Because his whole thing is just conspiracies.
Sure. You know?
douglas murray
But do you have any...
harrison smith
Yeah, but he's not pro-Israel, so he's bad.
douglas murray
There's been a tilt in the conversation, in both conversations, in the last couple of years.
And it's largely to do with people who have appointed themselves experts.
harrison smith
Okay, let's just pause it right there.
Do you see what I mean?
I mean, did you watch that last clip as if we were watching a pro serial killer expert bemoan the fact that there are all these people out there?
I mean, they're self-appointed experts.
Hey, Murray, sir, I don't need an expert.
Tell you I'm on the side of the victims and not the serial killer.
You don't actually need expertise to say murder is wrong.
The only thing you need expertise for is to weave the rhetorical lie that is somehow more complicated or nuanced or that expertise is needed to understand what's happening.
That's a lie.
You don't need expertise.
Actually, it's the only way this conversation makes sense is if you imagine they're arguing about a famous serial killer and Douglas Murray is on the side of the serial killer.
That's how little sense this makes.
Now, Ian Carroll wasn't brought on Joe Rogan to talk about Israel.
He was brought on to talk about conspiracy theories.
unidentified
Obviously. That's where it gets wild, right?
Like, really.
He's, like, attacking Ian.
He starts off by attacking Ian Kerr.
Like, why even bring him up?
harrison smith
Because he's one anti-Israeli journalist that Israel can't drone strike.
Right. Yeah.
No, it's...
I'm telling you this is the mindset.
I'm trying to explain to you, like, what the mindset of the people like Douglas Murray are.
And this is really just assuming that Douglas Murray actually believes what he says.
I think the real, you know, actual truth behind all of this is that Douglas Murray, like so many others, knows exactly what he's doing, knows exactly what he's supporting, and sort of gets off on it.
He's just evil.
I genuinely think he's just evil.
But taking him at his word and taking him in the best and most gracious possible interpretation, you have somebody that Their mindset has, their view of the world, their point of view has a filter that is the Israeli filter and it is the arbiter of morality one way or the other.
So Ian Carroll is bad because he doesn't like Israel.
That's what he thinks.
And that's as far as it goes.
That's as deep as his interpretation gets.
And that is the number one through line you'll see through all these clips is the fact that Douglas Murray almost never actually even approaches the facts of the debate.
He didn't say Ian Carroll was wrong about anything.
He can't say Ian Carroll wasn't wrong about anything he said about Israel.
Maybe some dates off or the way he phrased things was a little bit non-academic or whatever, but that's not Douglas Murray's issue.
Douglas Murray knows Ian Carroll's not wrong.
And you'll see exactly what I mean.
I'll play a clip in just a second where this is put on excruciatingly clear display.
He knows Ian Carroll's right.
He knows he's right about his criticisms.
He knows he's right about the people he talks about, the networks they're engaged in, the activity they've been caught in.
It's all been acknowledged.
None of it's wrong.
He just doesn't want you talking about it.
He doesn't think Ian Carroll should be allowed to talk about it.
He doesn't think Joe Rogan should be giving a platform to somebody that disagrees with him.
Not because he's wrong.
Not because he's not an expert.
Again, just imagine somebody saying, you keep bringing on people who hate Ted Bundy, but they're not experts.
I don't need an expert.
I don't need to be an expert.
I don't need to hear from experts.
To know which side is the evil side.
And again, you can just extrapolate this out to anything.
Obviously, everybody, everybody has opinions about things upon which they are not experts.
Including Douglas Murray.
So this is all nonsense lies.
Let's go back.
We'll finish out this clip here and then I'll go to other ones that highlight exactly what I'm telling you in terms of The utter disregard for what is true and what is not by Douglas Murray.
So let's go back to the fantasist here.
douglas murray
Who are not experts.
harrison smith
They're not experts.
joe rogan
You mean like Ian?
I don't think he appoints himself an expert in anything.
douglas murray
Who's that other dude who thinks he's an expert on Churchill?
joe rogan
Oh, Daryl Cooper does not think he's an expert.
dave smith
In fact, I think it's everybody else is always calling him an expert, and he's like, I'm just a history.
joe rogan
Have you ever absorbed any of his material?
Have you ever consumed any of his podcasts or anything like that?
douglas murray
I tried.
Yeah? It's pretty hard to listen to somebody who says, I don't know what I'm talking about, but now I'm going to talk.
Or, I don't know about this.
Or, I'm not capable of debating this historian, but I'm going to just tell you what I think.
harrison smith
Can we pause it again?
He's describing humility.
I don't understand what world this guy is from.
He's like, I find it hard to talk to somebody who's humble.
I find it hard to talk to somebody who plays down their expertise and plays down their knowledge rather than acting like they are.
So first he says, he's asking you to submit to authority at all times.
Well, in a way, yeah.
unidentified
If someone is not an absolute authority on a topic, right, who claims to be an authority, right?
harrison smith
Well, no, no, no, no.
Right, right.
See, it's...
He's contradicting...
I mean, his problem, he said at first, was people who are self-appointed experts.
Then they're like, these people aren't experts.
And he says, yeah, I know.
My problem is that these people don't know what they're talking about, but they say they do.
It's like, but they don't say they do.
Literally, in the course of two sentences, went from...
My problem is people who present themselves as experts even though they're not to my problem with Martyr Made is that he admits he's not an expert.
I mean, are we getting it?
We're like 30 seconds into this conversation.
We're like 30 seconds into the conversation.
I've had to pause it like six times.
Problem is people presenting themselves as experts.
Yeah, but Daryl Cooper always says he's not an expert.
Yeah, I know, and that's the problem.
That's why he's hard to listen to.
We don't take these people seriously, you guys.
We should not, we cannot take these people seriously.
In the same way that, like, let me tell y'all a little story from my youth.
When I was in college, we had this house on the east side.
Of Austin, which is the black neighborhood.
And we were throwing a party.
We were having a party.
And so we're going to have a ton of people over at our house.
Tons of people we didn't know.
So I took some precautions and I put my computer and some other things in my closet and shut the door.
And then later in the party, it's like night time.
Everybody's hanging out.
I'm in the backyard and I look through the window of my room and I can see through the window That my closet door is open and the light is on.
So I'm like, who the hell's in my closet?
So I go in to my room and there's my neighbor Charles, big fat black dude, on his hands and knees in my closet rooting through my stuff.
And so I'm like, yo, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
What are you doing?
Get out of here.
And he's like, no, I'm looking for Greg, man.
No, I'm like, you see Greg?
I'm just like, get out of my room.
Like, we're...
And this is the point.
unidentified
Did you shoot him?
harrison smith
I didn't shoot him.
I did have a really good line, though.
So what happened, because...
So I'm like, get the hell out of my room.
He gets out.
So I go look in my closet.
Alright, everything's still there.
Computer's still there.
Everything, you know, important.
Except I had a bag of change.
I had, like, a bag of, like, loose change I'd been saving up.
It was probably 50, 100 bucks, something like that.
And that was gone.
So I did have a good line.
Where I called that chump change, and then I called him a chump.
But... Regardless, you know, I'm not going to sit there and listen to this.
I caught him on his hands and knees rooting through my closet when he didn't think I could see him.
Am I going to sit there and listen to him try to justify it?
Try to tell me, no, I'm wrong?
You just don't understand?
Oh, you're being racist?
Like, is it some nonsense like that?
Like, no.
At a certain point, you just know what's real, you know what is, and all of the talk about finding Greg is an insult to my intelligence.
Okay? What Douglas Murray is doing here is insulting your intelligence by expecting you to entertain this conversation, these ideas, this interaction that we're having.
It doesn't mean anything.
It doesn't mean anything.
Because just as we just saw, When he's talking about martyr-made, it doesn't matter if he presents himself as an expert or doesn't present himself as an expert.
Douglas Murray's just trying to find something to say to discredit him because he doesn't have anything legitimate to say.
You don't make these types of inconsistent, hypocritical claims if you have a solid basis for your objections.
Do you know what I mean?
If Charles really was looking for Greg, You know, he wouldn't have to make something up, right?
If he really was doing something not suspicious, he wouldn't have to scramble to try to come up with some excuse to explain what can't be explained innocently.
So if there was a real reason that Martyr May, Daryl Cooper, is objectionable, then he would say that.
Say he says something that doesn't apply, and so he changes it to the exact reverse and says, actually, that's the reason I don't like him.
And the reason you don't like him is because you are a Jewish supremacist.
And he's not.
Because you are a Israel-first neocon psychopath and Daryl Cooper is making the arguments that defeat your stance.
Come up with whatever reason you want to claim.
We would be stupid to even give you the courtesy of listening to you.
You understand what I mean?
Does that make sense?
Do you see the analogy I'm trying to draw here?
That like, when you catch a thief, he's going to just say whatever he thinks he needs to to get away with it.
There's no basis in reality.
He knows, and you know, the reality is he was trying to rob you and you caught him.
And now he's desperately trying to reframe reality to where you think that's not the case.
Because he knows it's the case.
It's not going to change reality for him.
He just needs...
To get away with what he's trying to get away with.
That's what we're dealing with here.
Somebody just saying whatever he thinks he needs to say in the moment to trick you into giving him what he wants.
As far as it goes.
It's as deep as this goes.
We'll finish out the clip here.
dave smith
That's not exactly what Daryl was saying.
I mean, Daryl's point of view, however you feel about this, what Daryl's saying is he doesn't really like doing debates.
He likes to do long format stuff where he can really explain his position.
douglas murray
If you throw a lot of shit out there, there's some point at which I'm just raising questions is not a valid thing.
You're not raising questions.
You're not asking questions.
You're telling people something.
joe rogan
Do you think Daryl's doing that?
douglas murray
I think there's a whole bunch of guys doing that.
I think...
Dave is doing that, very obviously.
Dave's a comedian, but he's now mainly talking about Israel.
dave smith
No. I don't know if I'm mainly talking about Israel.
douglas murray
That's all I see on the internet.
dave smith
That might be what you've seen.
unidentified
Stop responding defensively to this guy.
harrison smith
Let's take him down.
Oh my god.
Why do people...
Well, I don't only talk about it.
No, I'm not asking questions.
I'm making statements.
Israel's evil.
You're evil for supporting them.
No question mark.
It's a period.
It's an exclamation point, actually.
Alright, welcome back, folks.
Again, it's not...
Well, it will actually sort of loop back on itself.
It's actually one of the topics of conversation in this debate between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray is like the focus on Israel and the Jews and the media.
It's not up to us, the commentators.
It's what's just actually happening out there.
So, if it wasn't happening, we wouldn't be talking about it.
Is this really that hard to understand?
So, again, I woke up today to just like four or five stories about how possessed America is by the spirit of Israel.
Pro-Palestinian demonstrators who occupied Stanford building have been charged with felonies, right?
Similar to January 6th.
Walk into a building on a university campus that you paid $100,000 to go to, you know, tuition to attend, and now you're being charged with felonies and could go to prison for years.
Not because what you did was especially bad, but because you did it for a bad reason, according to these people.
Meanwhile, most Americans have a negative view of Israel.
Under 50, GOP support craters.
And it's pretty dismal.
It's looking pretty dismal out there in terms of negative views of Israel.
So this is sort of contradictory, you would think.
That it's like, simultaneously, you have headlines about how we might go to war with Iran, and we're charging people for felonies for protesting Israel, and they're scanning...
Potential immigrant social media to make sure they're sufficiently loyal to Israel before rejecting their visas.
Columbia University is being taken over by the federal government, so a federal inquisitor can be put on top of that school to make sure that what they're teaching complies to the demands of the World Jewish Congress.
And it's like at the same time, the exact same day you have all those headlines, You have headlines showing that the majority of Americans don't even like Israel.
So, yet again, it's like it would at least be vaguely justifiable if it was like, well, 90% of Americans are in support of this.
And so, you know, we're doing something in that regard.
But it's like, they're doing all of this stuff for a Foreign state, first of all.
But a foreign state that the majority of Americans don't even like and don't want to be allies with.
It's a little bit outrageous.
A little bit outrageous if you ask me.
And then of course, Trump is making statements about potential military conflict with Iran.
Let's go to clip number six now.
Trump on potential conflict with Iran.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Yeah, if it requires military, we're going to have military.
Israel will obviously be very much involved in that.
He'll be the leader of that.
But nobody leads us.
We do what we want to do.
Well, that was a little contradictory.
harrison smith
So there's Trump, you know, threatening military action with Iran.
I get it.
It's a negotiation tactic.
It's the art of the deal.
It's not, though, is it?
I mean, what do we get?
What are we getting out of this?
What is the art of the deal here?
You think it's going to be Israeli soldiers dying?
When they say, you know, Israel will be involved, yeah, Israel will be telling Americans where to send their sons to die for them.
If Trump gets us into war with Iran, does he realize like nothing else he's done matters if that's the case?
Because it's not going to be like a quick war.
Like if he starts World War III, no one's going to give a shit about tariffs.
Does he understand that?
Does he understand nobody's going to care about what he's done if he starts World War III?
Alright, welcome back folks.
unidentified
American Journal.
harrison smith
Let's go back to this debate between Dave Smith and Douglas Murray.
This is sort of dominating the conversation on X right now.
There's so many just sort of stupid parts of this, but I guess there are important parts too.
Some notable things to point out in order to elucidate just the overall issues that we're having in this country.
What lies at the heart of them and how rhetoric is used to keep us in this state of suspension where we seem paralyzed and incapable of doing what everybody knows must be done.
It's not just about Israel.
This is ubiquitous in the stories that we cover.
So let's go to one of these.
Let's go to clip number two here.
This is Dave Smith talking about the level of human suffering in Gaza.
Let's watch.
dave smith
The level of human suffering that's being inflicted on the people of Gaza right now cannot be overstated.
And so, you know, to lecture them about how you're supposed to handle that exactly.
But I will say, man, I think there's kind of this selective empathy that you have here.
Like, I agree with you.
You know, talk about these teenagers being slaughtered at a music festival on October 7th.
It's like, my God.
Like, I have little kids.
I can't, like, imagine the nightmare of this happening to somebody's children.
But at the same time, we're not having this conversation on October 9th or in November or December of 2023.
We're having it in 2025 where the...
The tragedy that's been inflicted on Gaza is orders of magnitudes greater than October 7th.
There are just every day people are inundated with images of just dead women and children.
This is like one of the most brutal wars.
And by several metrics that really, you know, like personally matter to me, like the number of dead kids.
I think that's a pretty good one.
It's more children have died than in any recent war.
I mean, this is like it does.
I do think there's almost.
Like a fundamental framing bias that you get into when people have these debates, and I've had several of them as you have also.
But it seems to me that there's almost an implicit difference in the value that you place on Israeli life versus the value that we place on Palestinians' life.
And to even, like, we've gone this far into the conversation and haven't even talked about the fact that, like, Israel has...
Feel however you feel.
If you want to argue, I haven't been there, stuff does get through the blockade, okay, fine.
This is a captive people, you know, that Israel has dominated since at least 1967.
Many of them are there because of the creation of the state of Israel, who used to live in what is now called Israel.
And they are just, I mean, the amount of human suffering that's being inflicted on them, when even as you kind of acknowledged with the George W. Bush exporting democracy, Hamas in many ways was forced on these people.
In fact, we saw protests against Hamas just recently.
So, I don't know.
I mean, that to me seems to be the greatest human tragedy.
And I think much more so than you can characterize it as people being pro-Hamas or people being anti-Semitic.
But I actually think that the mass movement around the world of people who oppose this war has been that people feel really awful about all these babies who are being slaughtered.
douglas murray
Okay, quite a few things.
First of all...
Let's just get one term correct.
Because you said...
First of all, those babies are dangerous.
Oh my god.
harrison smith
Let's just pause it real quick.
Again, just understand like you're not...
Like I said.
You're talking to the person you just caught red-handed stealing something.
And they're gonna, you know...
What's happening here...
Doug's gonna talk about the word concentration camp and suddenly...
The conversation is going to be derailed into a conversation about what is and is not a concentration camp.
This is a trick.
This is a rhetorical trick.
He has nothing to combat the statements that Dave Smith just made.
He has no way to justify the killing of the babies.
Dave Smith, God bless him, he's one of the best people in the media making this argument against Israel in a way that's not, you know.
Literally just like retarded, like Hasan Piker or something stupid.
but he's just a principled, you know, lover of peace.
unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
And so he's good at making this argument.
However, this is not the time for trepidation, right, and timidity.
And maybe I'm just being nitpicky here, but it's just little things.
It's little things like David Smith saying there's an implicit understanding that Palestinian lives are worth less than Israelis.
I would argue it's an explicit reality.
It's something that I hear over and over and over again.
Donald Trump just campaigned for A politician named Randy Fine in Florida.
Randy Fine has dozens of tweets, ex-posts, where he is literally celebrating the birth of, the death of babies.
Where people will post on his, in his comments, a video of the mangled body of a child being pulled out of the rubble of a godsend house.
And Randy Fine will respond, I love it.
This is great.
Thanks for the hilarious picture.
There's nothing implicit about the way the Palestinians are treated by Israelis.
It's very explicit.
And it actually fully accepting that and understanding that worldview Actually make some of their behavior at least make sense theoretically,
right who is randy fine self-sustained hebrew hammer in congress seeking palestinian
I mean, he's a demon.
He's a literal demon.
I could show you more.
In fact, I think I have a video from Candace Owens yesterday where she was going through some of his more egregious tweets.
But it's not implicit.
It's not implied.
They're very open about this perspective.
And again, it goes some way to making the behavior make sense because you don't feel bad when you watch a video of Texas ranchers flying around in a helicopter gunning down hogs.
Right? You might feel a little bad.
I like animals.
I don't revel in animals being slaughtered.
But I don't feel sorry for them because I understand why it's necessary.
I understand that because of unintended consequences of human behavior anyway, you have this out-of-control growth of the hog population and it's not like you can reason with the hogs.
It's not like you can...
You know, ask the hogs to practice safe sex and use birth control to keep their numbers down, right?
Like, you got one option, you can kill them.
You can kill them or they can eat everything and everything can die, right?
So they, you gotta kill them.
Same way, I don't, you know, I don't feel bad when I hear a mousetrap go off in my attic.
I love mice, you know, as a kid, I used to always have mices as pets.
I love mice.
If you're in my attic without my permission, I'd like to offer you some cheese, right?
You don't feel bad.
You don't...
Feel empathy.
You don't feel sympathy.
You don't feel the need to explain it.
And so when Pete, you know, and then if you were to have people go, you poor hog, you hate hogs and you are just an evil person for this.
You're going to respond to them like, yeah, show me more pictures of dead hogs.
See if I care.
I'm going to show, I'm going to send you pictures of barbecue to brag about this because it's like, who cares?
Like what, you know, in your mind, what you're doing is not evil.
They're animals.
Right? So if you have a worldview that turns certain humans into animals, it actually kind of makes sense.
If you dehumanize a population to the extent that you fully believe that, like, they aren't really people, they aren't humans like you, they're like base animals, they can't understand logic, they can't be reasoned with, they're just pests.
So you just do away with them.
And all the pest friends are going to be mad, but sorry, it's just, you know, we've got to take out the hogs.
When you understand that mindset, it at least becomes comprehensible how you can have people exposing themselves as so heartless and brutal and vicious.
So this person, what is the question?
Do you need to ask something?
Like, what do you think about this?
Yeah, it's a dead baby.
It's a picture of a dead baby, so he's asked, Supporting killing innocent people and babies and smearing voices that fight against genocide for your APAC money says a lot about your character.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
How do you sleep at night?
To which Randy Fine responds, Quite well.
Thank you for the picture.
Picture for our radio listeners is a dead baby.
It's a dead baby covered in rubble, and she's being pulled out.
Again, it's like the only way to rationalize what we're even seeing here is to understand that for people like Randy Fine, he's not looking at a picture of a fellow human being.
He's looking at a picture of a subhuman goyim cattle hog.
And you're expecting him to feel sorry for the hog.
I don't feel sorry for the hogs.
I don't feel sorry for the hogs when I see them being gunned down.
I see a necessary action being taken.
So, all this is to say, There's nothing implicit about the dehumanization of the Palestinians.
It's very explicit.
It's very explicit.
Let's continue.
douglas murray
And you also say that there's a disproportionately heavy youth population in Gaza.
unidentified
Yes. Do you think that's not accurate?
douglas murray
I think the second one is accurate.
But it's a very strange thing to say that there's a population boom in a concentration camp.
In Auschwitz in the 1940s, there was not a doubling of the population.
harrison smith
There were thousands of babies delivered in Auschwitz, if you want to know the truth.
Did you know there was a maternity ward in Auschwitz?
It's kind of weird, isn't it?
Death camp maternity ward.
That's a job.
That's a weird job.
The death camp maternity ward.
Should we look that up?
Should we find out what actually happened there?
Maternity Ward, Auschwitz.
I just want to know, and again, actually, I'm doing it myself.
I'm falling into the trap that I'm telling you about.
The midwife at Auschwitz delivered 3,000 babies in unfathomable conditions.
So weird.
So weird how that happened.
So I guess Auschwitz is not a concentration camp now, according to Douglas Murray.
unidentified
you.
harrison smith
Again, the rhetorical trickery here.
I'm trying to think of another sort of example of a different form that this argument could take.
Dave Smith's statement, his argument, his position was people are anti-Israel now because they keep killing babies.
Douglas Murray's response to that is not to Say that's fake.
Not say they're not killing babies.
Not to argue the facts or the position or argue mitigating circumstances.
Instead, what he's doing is trying to say that because the population of Gaza skews young, it is therefore not a concentration camp.
That has nothing to do with the argument.
This is the rhetorical trigger.
So if I say to you that I think it's bad that Ted Bundy went to the beach and shoved a woman in the trunk of his car and took her home and raped her to death, I think that's bad.
And then you're going to sit there and argue with me about whether it was actually a trunk or if it was actually a hatchback situation.
What are you talking?
I know we're not going to argue that.
What are you talking about?
This is a deflection technique.
This is a distraction technique.
This is beyond bad faith.
It's just evil.
This is just evil.
So he's being told the reason people are against Israel now is because of the mass murder they're committing.
He's now trying to argue the definition of concentration camp as if that has any bearing on anything.
It's concentration camp.
They call it Disney World.
Say, Gaza is actually a Disney World.
It's Disneyland.
It's an amusement park.
And they're killing babies.
It doesn't matter what you call it.
They're killing babies.
And you're de facto, you're justifying and defending that by distracting and trying to talk about whether or not it's a concentration camp.
So now let's argue about the definition of concentration camp.
Let's talk about the definition of hatchback versus full trunk in automobiles.
But what we're really talking about is a murderer and his victim.
Let's get back into the...
Frankly, all this is just very semantic, and I personally am deeply anti-semantic, so let's go back to the semantic conversation here.
douglas murray
Auschwitz was a concentration camp.
harrison smith
Was it?
douglas murray
It started as a concentration camp.
You'll notice that people were not...
doubling in size their number because of the children they could have in Auschwitz.
dave smith
Yeah, but nobody's calling it a concentration camp because it's the same as Auschwitz.
douglas murray
Okay, but let's just at least tidy up the language a bit.
Either you think the place is a concentration camp or you think it's not a concentration camp and I don't think it can be a concentration camp or any such term is suitable when you're talking about a place which you yourself have admitted has a disproportionately young population.
So that's the first thing.
unidentified
The second thing is...
harrison smith
Oh my God!
It can't be a concentration camp because it has a disproportionately young population.
That's the statement that guy just made.
As if it has any bearing on anything at all about anything ever.
It doesn't even matter as a statement, but even in its own internal logic it is utterly fallacious and nonsensical.
Oh, the population is young, therefore it's not a concentration camp?
That's the logic he's going with.
Okay. Great.
Well, 3,000 babies were delivered at Auschwitz, so that wasn't a concentration camp either, moron.
Let's keep...
Back to the semantic conversation.
dave smith
In any way argues again, but okay.
I didn't call it a concentration camp.
douglas murray
You said it has many of the same...
joe rogan
But you asked him if it did.
You asked him if it had any characteristics of a concentration camp.
douglas murray
Yes, because he said earlier that it did.
unidentified
Okay, so let me be much more precise.
dave smith
Let me be much more precise, okay?
So I'm not claiming that it is a concentration camp or that it is akin to Auschwitz.
I'm saying that...
harrison smith
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Gaza is worse than Auschwitz.
Back to the video.
dave smith
They have gates in Gaza.
harrison smith
With AI-controlled machine guns with the ability to fire without the intervention of a human operator.
If you try to escape Gaza, a robot will kill you.
It's worse than Auschwitz.
Auschwitz had swimming pools.
Gaza doesn't have anything like that now.
Not anymore.
So yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Would you rather...
Be a Jew in Auschwitz or a Palestinian in Gaza?
Kind of an interesting question, actually.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't want to see two one-sided here.
I get it.
There's arguments on both sides.
Out of a sense of fairness, I'm trying to glaze Hamas here.
They do some bad things too.
They've caused a lot of suffering.
Some of it's caught on film.
Here's a video of one of the attacks that Hamas has waged against the righteous Israeli army.
This is clip number 11. Let's watch.
Oh, wait a second.
Well, hold on.
Let's let this keep playing, but I think we've got the wrong video here.
No, I'm sorry.
No, this is a...
I'm sorry.
This says it's an injured little girl trembling with fear after her home was bombed by an Israeli airstrike.
Ah, shoot.
Sorry. I put up the wrong video.
Ah, dang it.
Sorry, you guys.
I thought for sure that that was going to be something bad.
No, that was just a little girl literally shaking like a leaf.
With visions of horror in her eyes as she barely survives the airstrike that killed her whole family.
Sorry, my bad.
Whoops. Dang it.
Okay, well, we tried.
Well, we tried.
Let's go to a different video now of war propagandist and pro-genocide activist Douglas Murray talking about how you're not allowed to talk about this stuff if you haven't taken an Israeli tour.
An Israeli propaganda tour through their Potemkin village, then you have no right to speak on this issue.
Let's go to clip number three.
douglas murray
You're not answering my question.
Can you decide very right-wing Israeli politicians?
But what do you think is the reason?
dave smith
I'm getting there.
I'm saying, so I think they disengaged in order to kill the peace process.
I think they put the full blockade around the country for the reason that they've always kind of done it there, that, yeah, they don't want too much stuff getting in.
They want to keep them, as they put it, on a diet, and they don't want rockets to fly into Israel.
douglas murray
The second one is a kind of important one, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
If the Palestinian leadership in Gaza after 2005 had not from the get-go decided to use Gaza as a stockpiling place for rockets to fire into Israel,
all of it would be different.
If they had just resisted the temptation that so many of us do in our lives to stop keeping RPGs in our cellars, and then Katusha Rockets in our children's bedroom.
harrison smith
I didn't want to pause it, but if we can, please.
I just, again, let's just pierce through the veil here.
What he's saying is, if Gaza hadn't chosen, or if Hamas hadn't chosen to...
What he's saying, translation, if they just submitted.
If they just hadn't persisted in resistance to a foreign occupying force who dehumanize, despise, and are, as we speak, ethnically cleansing them, if they had just not fought, but instead surrendered without a fight,
things would be very different.
Yeah, things would be different.
That land would all be Israel now, and it would be nothing but Jews.
Yeah, it would be different in that they would all be gone or dead, but they're not.
Because they're fighting back.
So I just want to clarify what he's phrasing as stockpiling weapons others might see as basic resistance to a foreign occupying force.
In other words, what he's saying is if they just submitted, you know, and it's true.
Hey, that's true of everything, right?
Hey, if the Jews in Germany had just submitted, right?
If the Kulaks had just submitted, you know, things would be different.
The Soviets wouldn't have had to slaughter them.
If only they just submitted, everything would have been different.
Good point, Murray.
Very good point.
I guess we'll move on, but we could go on and on with this topic because it really is the central concern right now.
This is the cancer, by the way.
Did you know what I was saying earlier about the cancer America has?
unidentified
This is it.
harrison smith
welcome back.
Ladies and gentlemen, we'll be joined by...
Jamie Hammons of Dash in the next hour.
unidentified
We're going to move on now.
I suppose.
harrison smith
And I want to talk about...
I want to talk about the Austin Metcalf story.
In fact, maybe I'll put it in the video.
Maybe the crew can find the last few days I've put in the show folder the video of Austin Metcalf's father talking about the stabbing death of his son.
From Justice Report, white father denounces anger and rage in the wake of athlete son's interracial killing.
A rising white football star has been stabbed to death during what police say was an altercation at a regional track meet.
For the crime, officers apprehended and charged a black football player for an opposing team.
Early reports stated that 17-year-old Carmelo Anthony, a Titans varsity football player at Sentinel High School, stabbed and killed 17-year-old Austin Metcalf during a track meet at David Kirkendall Stadium on Wednesday morning.
Eyewitnesses report that Metcalf was stabbed in the heart directly in front of his friend's and twin brother who tried to save him.
However, Austin was believed to have bled out in his brother's arms before being pronounced dead at an area hospital.
The knife attack took place during a track meet at roughly 10 a.m.
Anthony has been charged with murder and is currently being held by Frisco police without bond.
So far, some have speculated that Anthony flew into a rage and attacked Metcalf after he was told he was sitting in the wrong seat during the track meet.
While police have yet to release information about potential motive behind the knife slaying, Austin's father, Jeff Metcalf, has already come out to denounce so-called anger and rage in an interview with Fox News.
So let's go to this video and, you know, I don't want to...
unidentified
And this dude just...
harrison smith
Well, I don't even know.
It's weird.
It's very weird.
On one hand, it's like I would never want to criticize a father who just lost their son.
That's like the worst...
Thing in the world.
Like, that's the worst thing anybody could possibly go through, so who am I to, you know, criticize him?
But, like, he's not acting like it's the worst thing.
He seems to care more about the family of the guy who killed his son.
So, I don't know.
I mean, is it that big of a deal?
Typically, I'd say, you know, this horrible thing, I would just, you know, the guy can say whatever he wants.
He gets a free pass, as far as I'm concerned, because his son just died.
But then if he's like, actually, I'm concerned about white supremacy.
It's like, so you don't even care?
It's just, you know, I don't know.
So I don't know.
Maybe he doesn't care.
Maybe it doesn't matter.
Maybe the maybe race relations are the most important thing here.
I don't think so, but who am I to say?
So here's the father the day after his 17-year-old Star Athlete's son was brutally and senselessly stolen from the earth by Carmelo.
Let's watch.
unidentified
And the fact that, you know, someone was immediately taken into custody.
They know who did this.
karoline leavitt
They are charging him with murder.
unidentified
I mean, how does that make you feel that police immediately got this person?
First of all, I feel sorry for that individual because he's now made a mistake that's going to cost him the rest of his life.
The hard part that cost me is I lost my son and his brother was holding him, trying to hold the blood in, and he passed my son.
you.
harrison smith
I really have a hard time understanding this.
unidentified
you.
harrison smith
His son was just murdered.
And his response is to say, I feel sorry for the killer.
Because he made a mistake.
Like, that's the type of thing you say if you're, first of all, a really good person after a bad car accident.
After a genuine mistake, you might have this feeling.
But even then, it'd be hard, right?
Like, if I found out, I mean, like, speaking it into existence, but let's just keep, we'll keep it vague.
Keep the spirits away.
If I found out that somebody ran a red light, crashed into somebody I loved, and killed them, I'd have a really hard time forgiving that person.
Even though it was a mistake.
Even though it was an accident.
I would have a really hard time not hating that person.
Not wanting the worst for that person.
And it really would be the right thing, even if it doesn't seem like it, to forgive that person.
If it was an honest mistake.
They were honestly trying their best and just something happened.
Their hands slipped, their foot slipped, I mean, whatever it is, and it's a tragedy, it's an accident, somebody I love died.
It would be really hard for me, but at the end of the day, I would hope that I could say it was an accident, it was a mistake, there's no reason why your life should be destroyed as well.
I forgive you, right?
That would be a very big thing to say, it was an actual accident.
When some kid Pulls out a knife and stabs your son in the heart and kills him?
That's not a mistake.
It's not a mistake.
So you have to ask, like, what is...
What would compel...
Like, does he actually think...
I don't know.
I don't know.
I just don't even know what to...
It's so, like, alien to me, this idea.
It's like the day after his son is murdered.
When asked about his son's murder, his first response is, I feel sorry for the kid that did it.
Kid pulled out a knife and stabbed your son in the heart.
And the next day you're saying, you feel bad for that guy?
You're sick.
You're sick in the head.
Like sick.
Like diseased.
Like mentally ill.
There's something very wrong about this.
There's actually an explanation for why this type of thing happens.
Because this type of thing happens pretty regularly.
You may have noticed that this tends to happen and tends to be just as inexplicable every time.
But every time the same words seem to be used.
When a black person kills a white person and the white parent gets up.
We saw it with the Haitians in Springfield where there was the What is this?
Because, by the way, at the same time that the white father is expressing sympathy for the man who murdered his son, The black community is rallying around the murderer and is supporting the murderer and is lying about the event in order to smear the murder victim and
paint the murderer as innocent.
In really bizarre ways, too.
Like the day after this happened, or the day or two after the stabbing attack happened, there were black Twitter accounts that were publishing fake toxicology reports.
I guess trying to make a point about Derek Chauvin and George Floyd.
Like they're trying to do the George Floyd thing where they were like, oh, actually, according to the medical reports, Austin Metcalf died of an overdose.
And it was literally like a, it was like a Word document.
Somebody had typed up trying to make it look like a medical report, but it's like, okay.
He was stabbed in the heart.
He wasn't on any drugs.
It takes more than a day for the medical report to come out.
It didn't even look like a medical report.
But people were spreading it around and it got like a ton of attention.
You see this?
Yeah, yeah.
And so now, the murderer has raised $300,000.
Frisco track meat stabbing.
Frisco track meat stabbing.
Carmelo Anthony fundraiser nears $300,000.
unidentified
He didn't do nothing wrong.
harrison smith
He didn't do nothing.
unidentified
didn't do nothing.
harrison smith
So we have some more information about this.
About this event in particular.
Against one of these things where like...
You don't really need to get into the details.
You don't need to, like, suss out exactly what happened here.
They're at a track meet.
Like, we begin with a track meet.
One person without a knife, one person with.
They meet at the track meet.
The guy with the knife stabs the guy without a knife in the heart.
And now he's dead.
There might be all sorts of details and extenuating circumstances.
Unless the unarmed guy was like choking the guy with the knife to death in a headlock and in sheer desperation he fights back.
But that didn't happen, did it?
And actually this is a trend.
So there's a couple things here.
One is the outrageous and disgusting support for the murderer based purely off of racial coherence.
Racial Supremacy, I guess you could say.
Which is a big and very, very, very, very, very, very troubling trend in this country.
unidentified
I've got something more troubling for you.
Okay. It's been reported as of 23 hours ago that prosecutors are not only not able to seek the death penalty, but because he's 17, they cannot seek life without parole.
harrison smith
Yeah. Yeah, so he'll be back on the streets at some point.
At some point.
And they're choosing.
They could try to do life without parole.
They're choosing not to.
They're electing to not seek life without parole.
So he'll get his life back.
Eventually. Austin Metcalf won't.
Carmelo Anthony might.
He probably has a pretty good opportunity because his legal bills will be paid for with $300,000 of money donated to him.
Because he murdered a white person.
unidentified
you.
harrison smith
And, you know, the other thing is that, like, Austin, the Austin Metcalf situation has sort of gone national because he was so young, because he was good looking,
he was an athlete, he was, like, people recognize the potential that was stolen.
And because it's a racial thing, but this happens like every other day.
I mean, it's not exactly rare that black people kill white people in this country.
Extremely rare the other way around.
Not that you know that by the media.
But it's like pretty, it's like kind of a regular thing.
It's like pretty regular these days.
unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
There's so many aspects to this.
The one I want to focus on is an article from Raw Egg Nationalist on InfoWars that says, this is a race issue.
The Community Relations Service gaslights America about anti-white violence.
And so if you ask yourself the question, one, why would any father Go out the day after his son was murdered and forgive the killer and say he feels sorry for the killer and that he's worried about the killer and the killer's family.
If that just makes you ask why and what is going on and who would do that, I have an explanation for you.
And the explanation, when you know it, We'll reveal why it's not just this father, but so many fathers that we see, so many mothers that we see, so many statements that we've seen of people coming out and saying, don't politicize this.
Remember the same thing happened with a woman who was killed by illegal migrants?
It was Molly Tibbetts.
I think it was Molly Tibbetts' father, who literally was like, don't, you know, sure, an immigrant Murdered my daughter, but don't demonize immigrants.
Without them, we wouldn't have tacos.
And you just picture the big altar.
The father laying his daughter down to be sacrificed.
There's just like the Taco Bell Chihuahua sitting above.
unidentified
They have tacos at the wake.
harrison smith
They have tacos at the wake, exactly.
So, like, there's something very, very sick and weird and bizarre going on.
They probably just don't want to be called racist, right?
unidentified
Think about it, right?
They've lost a child, and now they're being called a racist for pointing out an obvious fact that it's a racially motivated crime.
But that's pretty sick.
That's pretty...
harrison smith
Yeah, it's pretty sick.
unidentified
Pretty sick.
Yeah. It's not healthy.
harrison smith
No, it's not.
It's almost like people won't call out you know, murders of Gaza because they're afraid of being called anti-Semitic.
Won't call out the murders of their children because they're afraid of being called racist.
We could just not be afraid of this.
Molly Tibbetts' father asked people to stop using her death in an immigration debate.
If the immigration system had been different, your daughter would be alive.
What the hell are you talking about?
unidentified
hell are you talking about?
harrison smith
Honestly, it's this type of stuff that it's like there's so much I'm able to sort of, even if I disagree, I can understand, comprehend, rationalize what you're seeing.
But there's a level of cuckery that I can't even fathom.
Can't even imagine it.
unidentified
Can't even imagine it.
harrison smith
I'm not saying you need to, like, call for vigilante justice.
I am saying you should be tempted to.
You should be tempted.
That should be something you have to resist.
Just naturally, just any natural inclination.
You know, same thing like, like, you know, allowing your kid to get his genitals chopped off because his gay art teacher.
Molly Tibbetts' mother took in the son of Mexican immigrants who worked with murder suspect, Washington report says.
Molly Tibbetts' mother took in the son of Mexican immigrants who worked with murder suspect.
Was that before or after the murder?
I wonder.
You know, there's another kind of famous story where This white woman hired a black guy to work on her land.
Black guy murdered the woman, went to jail.
The woman's daughter, I guess, wanted to get closure for her mother's debt.
Like, she became friends with the killer while the killer was in prison.
Killer got out of prison.
The daughter of the murdered woman invited the murderer to stay with her while he gets back on his feet, and then he murdered her.
You can have generations of a family all taken out by the same guy because they feel some suicidal need to prove that they're good people by not hating the person who murdered their mother.
And I can't even wrap my mind around that.
unidentified
Thank you.
harrison smith
So getting back to the point.
The point is that there's a reason why this happened.
There's a reason why.
It is unnatural.
It is bizarre.
It wouldn't ever occur normally.
Would surprise you to know that there's a governmental program that convinces parents to do this and gives them scripts to read.
That when somebody's son or daughter is murdered by a black person, the United States government swoops in, sends an agent, To manipulate that family into making a statement, a positive statement about their murderer.
Who come in and impose upon that family in a moment of shocking and incomprehensible grief and they're told, you now have a responsibility to go out and ask people not to hate the murderer.
And maybe we should have played more of the Dave Smith-Murray debate because they get into the conversation about like, well, if you say the Rothschilds run the world, you're an anti-Semite.
And that's the through line, right?
It's just like, if real things happen in accordance with the stereotype, that's hate speech, that's bad, that's wrong.
So when reality conforms to the so-called racist stereotypes, then the
has to swoop in and try to disguise and cover that up.
Because what they're worried about – and it's one of those things where it's like you can try to clamp down on hate speech.
You can try to clamp down on people deliberately causing trouble and saying things they know is going to give people'sire and rile people up.
Sure. But the problem that the powers that be have right now is they're trying to disguise basic –
So, this is one of the things when it came to Dylann Roof, went in and shot up a black church, right?
You watch his interrogation, the FBI is trying so hard to figure out who indoctrinated him.
And they're like, what, you know, who are you talking to?
What groups are you talking to?
What, you know, where did you get this information?
And the kid is like, I went to the FBI statistics.
Because what Dylann Roof said was the reason he did what he did was he went to the statistics and he saw like black people are killing all these white people and raping all these white women and nobody knows it, nobody talks about it, and so he says I'm going to go in and shoot this black church and it's going to be a mere fraction of what black people do to white people but it'll have this oversized media response.
This is what Dylann Roof says in his interrogation which you can find on YouTube.
And so how do you stop That.
Right? How do you stop people from using just statistics about crime, coming to their own conclusions about race, and then acting on it?
You kind of can't.
Kind of can't prevent that or stop that.
What you can do is go convince grieving parents to embrace and celebrate and gin up empathy and sympathy for the murderer of their child.
Because otherwise, people will see the murder of their child as being part of a pattern and they'll apply racial characteristics to that pattern and then become more racist.
So to combat the fact that reality is matching the stereotype, they co-opt the parents into going and making statements in support of their family's murderers.
This is what Roy Ignatius said on Infowars.
When I heard Austin Metcalf's father talking about his son's brutal murder and saying quite calmly he'd already forgiven his son's killer, a black teenager, and didn't want anybody to make the killing about race, a question entered my head, a familiar question.
I'd asked it before in similar circumstances in the aftermath of other dreary murders of white people, usually by black people.
Did this, excuse me, did this man really mean what he was saying or had he been told to say it?
But who would tell the father of a recently murdered teenager to disavow a racial motive for his son's killing when the possibility was so blindingly obvious?
Who would even have power to do that, and why?
Well, it's called the Community Relations Service, an organ of the Department of Justice.
That's who.
The how isn't so clear.
The service is very shadowy, and we don't have access to its interventions with grieving families of victims.
But we know it does put pressure on people like Jeff Metcalf when their loved ones are killed.
The why, at least, makes perfect sense.
You only need eyes to see the huge edifice of anti-white prejudice that has been erected in recent years across every area of public life in America, from the media to the workplace and schools and universities and even the federal government.
Anti-white racism is becoming governing ideology and practice.
So yeah, there's this community relations service that actually exists, and one of its major functions is to cover up racial violence against white people.
According to its own website, the CRS serves as America's peacemaker for communities...
Facing conflict based on actual or perceived race, color, national origin, etc., etc.
When a conflict arises, the CRS jumps into action, providing facilitated dialogue, that is, scripts to read, meditation, training, and consultation.
In other words, again, manipulating and compelling the parents of dead children to go out and make a statement in support of their child's murderer.
It's totally evil, but it's absolutely happening, and it's happening on the local level as well.
JusticeReport.News, white boy beaten and stripped by black juveniles is now being threatened at school behind legal confidentiality.
It's basically they're saying you shouldn't talk about this, you shouldn't go public about this, and we can't do anything about this because it would encourage, you know, white supremacy.
So now the young white kid who was stripped and beaten, 12-year-old white boy, stripped and beaten by black people, basically the whole thing is being covered up.
Kind of like, you know, when a transgender person rapes a woman in the bathroom.
You got to cover it up because it comports with the stereotype.
Because when reality matches the perceived, you know, expectation, then it's bad and it has to be covered up.
It's our government in action.
douglas murray
...been different.
If that desire...
To live in peace beside your neighbors had superseded the desire to stockpile rockets, it would all be different.
dave smith
Yeah, or if Israel just hadn't occupied them for 60 years, it would all be different, too.
They weren't occupying.
douglas murray
Well, you believe in self-determination, I'm sure.
dave smith
Yes. I believe in individual rights, yeah, sure.
douglas murray
Okay, individual rights.
And that includes the right to make bad decisions.
Yes. The Palestinians in Gaza, when they voted in Hamas, made a very bad decision.
dave smith
Yeah, of course, Douglas.
douglas murray
Hang on.
dave smith
Hang on.
douglas murray
And in the years after that, they made bad decision after bad decision.
It was a very bad decision to continually fire thousands of rockets.
It was a very bad decision to use what boats came in early on and to use the smuggling networks from Egypt not to bring in supplies you could actually build a thriving society with but to bring in rockets.
It was a very bad idea.
No, there was not starvation in Gaza after 2005.
No, there was no deficit of goods coming in.
I've been plenty of times...
dave smith
There was no deficit?
douglas murray
No, there were plenty of...
dave smith
No goods were kept out.
douglas murray
There are plenty...
How many...
Have you been to the crossing points?
No. When were you last there at all?
dave smith
I've never been.
douglas murray
You've never been?
dave smith
Well, am I not allowed to talk about it now?
Have you ever been to Nazi Germany?
Are you allowed to have feelings about them?
douglas murray
You can't time travel, but you can travel.
dave smith
Okay, but so what?
So what's the point?
Lots of people have been there and agree with me, and lots of people have been there and agree with you.
douglas murray
Yeah, but if you're going to spend a year and a half talking about a place, you should at least do the courtesy of visiting it.
dave smith
Alright. I just think this is a non-argument.
douglas murray
You don't think?
dave smith
No, I think it's a non-argument.
joe rogan
But you have to go and touch the ground?
douglas murray
No, I think it's a good idea to see stuff, particularly if you spend a career talking about something.
Yes, I have a journalistic rule of trying never to talk about a country, even in passing, unless I've at least been there.
Okay. It's a normal thing to do.
You're talking about crossing points.
And not only have you never been to a crossing point in either Egypt or in Israel, but you've never even been to the region.
dave smith
Okay, again, I think this is a non-argument.
douglas murray
No, no, no, it's not a non-argument.
dave smith
Yeah, it is.
douglas murray
It's not a non-argument if you're insisting that you're an expert of some kind, or not claiming you're an expert, but still talking about it, about the provisions going into Gaza or not, if you've never seen any of this going on.
dave smith
So you're not allowed to speak about things that you've read about.
You can only speak about things that you've seen with your own eyes.
douglas murray
You can talk about what you want, as you're proving.
But that is a different matter from spending an awfully long amount of time talking about an issue in a region you haven't even had the courtesy to visit, whilst developing all of these views about it.
I mean, now I slightly get an idea of where you're coming from.
You've read about this blockade, and so you imagine that that's what it is.
I imagine you've read all the people who say that Gaza was a concentration camp, and you probably think that too.
Am I right?
dave smith
I mean, again, literally a concentration camp?
It shares a lot of similarities, I would think.
douglas murray
Wow. Well...
As I say, you can't time travel back to the Nazi era, but you could go to the Middle East and actually visit.
dave smith
It's not hard to do.
The World Bank said in 1996 for the one year of the blockade...
douglas murray
Now the libertarians are quoting the World Bank.
I love it.
dave smith
It doesn't mean anything.
This is a non-argument.
Yes, I'm saying the World Bank did their own analysis of this, and they said that it was a 40%...
douglas murray
Why don't you do your own analysis?
unidentified
Hold on.
joe rogan
You've got to stop interrupting and let him finish the sentence.
dave smith
The World Bank said that 40% drop in the GDP of one year due to the blockade.
And there's been a blockade from 2007 on.
So are you saying that this hasn't had an economic effect?
Is that the argument?
douglas murray
No.
I think you should at least know what it is, what the territory is, what the situation is in the region.
Yes, absolutely.
joe rogan
And the only way to do that is to be there in person.
douglas murray
I think that's the best way.
It's not the only way, but it's the best way.
For sure.
For sure.
If you have never seen the countries in question, you've never spoken to the people in question, you've never interviewed anyone, you've never gone around, you've never seen the terrain, and so on, and you've used Wikipedia, I'm sorry, no, that's not the same thing.
dave smith
Okay, well, I've not just used Wikipedia, but didn't you write a big piece?
harrison smith
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, this is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith.
Coming to you live this Friday morning with my guest in studio, Jamie Hammons.
He is a part of DASH.
It's an organization that documents Austin's streets and epidemic of homelessness.
He's part of a team that works with homeless people to get them access to the services they need.
And as part of that process, he documents homelessness and public safety failures in the city of Austin, doing a very valuable service, bringing documentation of what is actually going on.
The in-between of parts of our cities.
You can follow him on X, and I encourage you to do so, at DocumentingATX.
That's at DocumentingATX.
The website, I understand, is down right now, but it will be up, and when it is up, it will be at dashATX.net.
That's dashATX.net.
Jamie, thanks so much for joining us once again.
jamie hammonds
Appreciate it.
Thanks for having me back here.
harrison smith
It's absolutely my pleasure, and you've sort of expanded beyond documenting the homeless camps despite...
That's a full-time job, and you could do it for 100 years and not capture all of it.
But you've really sort of, I don't know, I see you on X as just my local news reporter.
I mean, if there's an event, you're the first on the scene, you're streaming, you're getting the on-the-ground footage, whether it's a SWAT raid to some apartment building or a fire somewhere.
It's like you seem to be the one who's always on the scene and capturing the information.
So tell us about your work and what you're doing these days.
jamie hammonds
Well, you know, like I said, it started out...
Documenting mainly the homelessness, the homeless camps, you know, the grift from the city and the nonprofits.
And it's just kind of evolved from there into, you know, pretty much anything happening on the streets, public safety, politics, these protests that are going around.
You know, we're really digging into the public records.
And so, yeah, we're just trying to expand out and become more than just the homeless.
Reporter, so to speak.
More of like just your traditional on-the-ground reporting.
harrison smith
Well, you're almost filling in.
And local news still does it a bit.
When the incendiary device was found at the Tesla dealership, and we're going to get into all of that.
We have a lot of amazing information that you've discovered about that.
But we were the first on the scene, but slowly trickling in, you get the K-View people and the CBS outlet and the Fox affiliate, and they show up and they'll do a little talking point.
But, you know, Well...
because mainstream media has sort of failed to deliver.
Here you are as just a local news reporter going to the place where the event is happening and filming it.
And it's such a pure form of journalism that you participate in.
jamie hammonds
You know, I've always thought that if you just put the information out, give people access to the information, they can make their mind up about how they feel about it.
It's like, it's not up to me to, you know, espouse my opinion on why it's happening, what it's happening.
It's like, here's the information.
Do with it what you will.
harrison smith
Yeah. Well, I know the first time you came on InfoWars, I know people criticized you because they were seeing this as like, I don't know what their beef was, but you've always sort of been Not necessarily apolitical, but that was never your focus.
It was always just about the homeless.
But obviously when you do that, then you start learning about, okay, what is the city doing for them?
Wow, all this money is being stolen.
This all seems like a racket.
I mean, you almost inevitably enter into the politics of the situation, right?
jamie hammonds
Yeah, it's impossible to stay out of the politics.
I've tried my best to stay away from it, but everything's politics nowadays.
Public safety, homelessness, I mean, anything is politics.
Especially when you have the politicians that are involved, that are making these decisions, and you can see a clear split on how one side treats an issue versus the other.
And you can't, it's impossible to get away from politics.
harrison smith
Yeah, and we're going to talk about this former city councilman, Jimmy Flanagan, who I'm happy to say I had at least a small part in dismantling his political career.
Well, as much as I could, of course, it's the Democrats, they always...
You know, reward their side.
And so he was, you know, given this cushy job with the city, even though he lost his city council seat.
Regardless, you know, it's that thing where you're looking into the homeless situation.
You're looking at who's making the decisions that have made everything worse.
Well, it's this guy.
And now this guy is helping to lead the Tesla protests.
So it's like, you know, whether you want it to be political or not, it's right there.
The connection is there.
You just choose not to ignore it.
jamie hammonds
Well, you know, he's still a city employee to a certain extent.
The Austin Convention Enterprises is a, I believe it's a non-profit.
It's owned by the city of Austin.
It is covered by FOIA.
We can request every bit of his emails.
And it's funny because he's the only employee of Austin Convention Enterprises.
So I request his emails.
He is the one responsible for going through his emails.
To see what he wants to give and what he doesn't want to give.
I don't trust the government.
I don't trust him at all.
But they make it difficult.
And this guy is still part of the city.
He is still employed by the city.
And he is trying to bring down one of the city's largest employers.
harrison smith
How crazy is that?
I mean, Tesla has its headquarters here, right?
Or at least it's giant.
It's huge.
I mean, its footprint in this city is gigantic.
Here you have a city employee who's actually helping to organize and coordinate the attacks against Tesla that are driving down its stock prices.
These people, man.
So he's literally just doing damage to our city.
He's in our government as a city employee.
He's doing everything he possibly can to wreck one of the biggest economic drivers of our city.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and that's exactly what he's doing.
I mean, he is, no matter what he says, and I talked to him last weekend at that protest.
He told me that he had nothing to do with planning it.
He has no association with the city whatsoever.
But I've been in the meetings, into the Zoom meetings where they are planning and they are coordinating and it's...
This protest is not organic.
It's all countrywide.
They're all coordinated together.
I have the documents where they approve or disapprove what chants that can be said.
Everything's laid out.
And noon gets there, they're gone.
Like a hive mind.
harrison smith
We should grab that video.
If the crew can grab the video that you're playing right now, I don't think I had that one of Jimmy Flanagan actually talking at the Tesla protest.
I do have the video of him.
Making some statements, and it's not even just that he is helping to push the message of this protest, or he's supporting free speech, and you have a right to protest, so go do it.
He actually makes threats.
I mean, there's actually, you've tweeted this out, again, you can follow Dash at DocumentingATX, but you have a couple of examples of this.
This is more violent rhetoric from Jimmy Flanagan.
So again, this is a former city councilman, works for the city, And he is tweeting things like this.
It's about to get old school around here.
Get your bricks ready.
We start throwing on March 27th.
All right, so city employee saying, oh, get ready.
We're about to start throwing bricks.
Jimmy Flanagan, these damn bricks won't throw themselves, y'all.
See you Thursday.
So, I mean, literally advocating throwing bricks.
I mean, how do these people get away?
Like, why do we let these people openly advocate for violence?
I mean, you can't throw a brick in a peaceful fashion.
I don't know.
I don't know if I need to tell you that.
jamie hammonds
Yeah. And I asked him about that.
And, you know, he said that, well, it wasn't about violence.
It wasn't about.
And it's like, you know, how do you take that?
If I'm going to throw bricks and you're talking about protesting, what do you mean?
They think that we're all stupid is what it is.
harrison smith
It's mostly peaceful brick throwing.
That's what it is.
jamie hammonds
Mostly peaceful.
harrison smith
Mostly peaceful brick throwing.
And we do have videos of this.
Maybe we'll start with that video.
Maybe we'll just set the tone a little bit with the video of the woman.
Okay, this was yesterday at Tesla Takedown, clip number 12. So this is the quality, the type, the style of person that is protesting Tesla.
And we'll get the full story on in this video.
Jamie filmed it on his ex at Documenting ATX.
Here's just one of the upstanding, trustworthy individuals protesting at Tesla right now.
Let's watch.
unidentified
You are hurting people!
Believe in the gospel!
You are hurting people!
You are hurting people!
Believe in the gospel!
harrison smith
She's got that demon possession voice.
unidentified
This was like the third time she had done it.
harrison smith
So by the way, for our radio listeners, she's yelling at people who have signs that say things like, Thank you, Elon Musk.
That's what she's outraged at.
unidentified
So I'm not even sure what she's talking about, to be quite honest.
harrison smith
She's yelling, repent.
She's saying, believe in the gospel.
And she's yelling at people that are just like, holding signs that are just like, we love Trump.
Thank you, Elon.
Thank you for helping us.
And she's just like, Repent!
It's weird.
There's some weird people out there.
jamie hammonds
There's some weird people out there, and they are all kind of like her.
All older.
You know, we were talking about this earlier, but I've been to a lot of protests and covered a lot of protests in Austin.
And it's always the younger leftists that are out protesting.
Makes sense.
But with these Tesla protests, it's all older people.
At least 80%.
You can, it just...
You can tell that it doesn't feel organic.
It's set up, it's planned, and there's no getting around that.
harrison smith
And it's so weird, because obviously the protests with the young people are also planned and organized.
We've covered that too.
So my theory about this is, and tell me what you think about this, my theory is the young people...
I think they just don't care about protesting or politics anymore.
And I think sort of the young leftist radicals are just like, they're like, hey, if we want to do violence, I'm for it, but I'm not about to go wave a sign.
Right? I think they've just sort of given up on that idea of resistance because, you know, it obviously didn't work.
They went out and waved signs for 10 years and now Trump's back in office.
So they're like, you know what?
We're not going to do that anymore.
That's pointless.
But the old people...
I feel like they're, I guess, reliving the 60s and feel like they're involved in something big.
But everybody's noticed this.
I noticed this just watching videos and, you know, pointing out in my show.
Savannah Hernandez went to the Capitol protest and was like, there are people here holding signs on their walkers.
Like, it's all old people.
I mean, this is very, very strange phenomenon here.
jamie hammonds
Well, and I think, you know, with the younger folks that were protesting back from 2020, from the George Floyd protest, you know, since Antifa, Has been, you know, now that they have been called a terrorist organization, I've noticed that they're not using that language anymore in their chats and their telegrams.
You know, they're going by different names, like the brown shirts, and there's a few other names that they use that are not very well known.
But I think that when protests do start kicking off this summer, I think they'll be back.
I know the violence will be back.
I know that they're going to be out causing trouble.
I'm surprised they haven't infiltrated these Tesla protests.
It only takes a handful of people to cause an uproar at one of these protests.
And we saw it last year at the Palestinian protest.
So something is off about the Tesla protests.
I don't know.
Like I said, I've been watching and listening in on the planning meetings with these.
We're trying to find where the money's coming from.
Money is changing here from here to there, and it's so layered.
You get lost in it.
harrison smith
Yeah, yeah.
And of course, at the end of the day, a lot of it comes from American taxpayer dollars, so they want to disguise that fact.
And let's talk about the planning of this.
We have this video of Jimmy Flanagan.
Again, I got this from your ex.
Can you set this up for us?
It's the one that says in the first 10 seconds, he says exactly what he feels.
So we'll go to this video of Jimmy Flanagan, but can you set up where this video is from?
jamie hammonds
Yeah, so this video was from back around 2020 when they were going through to defund the police.
This was right at that same time.
Excuse me.
Jimmy, they were talking, this was COVID, so they were doing all their meetings remotely.
harrison smith
And he was still a city councilman at that time?
jamie hammonds
At this point, he was still a city councilman.
This was actually, so it had to have been before that because I can't remember exactly when he left office.
But this was a council meeting.
And he was talking about in District 6, he was talking about crime, why they didn't need the police.
And he kind of let it slip that, hey, we don't have enough black people up here.
harrison smith
That's hilarious.
Clip number 13. Let's watch.
unidentified
Fair share of property crime.
We don't have our fair share of violent crime, and we definitely don't have our fair share of black people.
And when I talk to my constituents about policing, they ask for more police to address their concerns because that is the only option they've ever been given to address their concerns.
harrison smith
There are better options.
jamie hammonds
And then he went on to vote to defund the police.
unidentified
Of course.
harrison smith
So what he's admitting there, we can take it down, but what he's admitting there is he's like, my constituents really want more police, but I'm educating them out of that position.
There's other options.
Just give the people more.
They want safety, dude.
It's just, there's everything wrong with these people.
jamie hammonds
I can't believe he won his first term.
The guy is a complete clown.
I don't know how he won it, but he didn't win it again.
McKenzie whooped him pretty good.
harrison smith
Yeah, she did.
That was very fun.
That was very fun to see.
And one of the things that happened during that campaign is Socialists Online were criticizing him and his campaign manager and saying, you guys aren't real socialists.
You guys are corporate.
Democrats, you're playing the game.
We don't want to play the game.
We want to be hardcore socialists.
And it's crazy because it was all in public.
His campaign manager openly admitted, they're like, guys, when we get in office, we're definitely going to do all the socialist stuff.
It's just if we say that now, we won't get elected.
So we have to say what we're saying now to get elected.
But once we're in office, trust us, we're going full communist revolution.
I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially what he said.
And that's where these people are in their mindset.
They know that their ideas are unpopular.
They know that if they are honest, they won't get elected.
And so to them, it's not immoral.
It's no big deal.
It's not unethical.
They say, well, we just have to lie to get power, and then we'll do what we really want to do.
And that was Jimmy Flanagan's campaign manager when he was trying to get reelected as a city councilman.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and you know, he's still, like we were talking about before, he's the president of Austin Convention Enterprises.
Once he lost his election, he was immediately hired into that position.
harrison smith
For like $300,000 a year, right?
It's ridiculous.
jamie hammonds
And he works less than 20 hours a week.
And it's a part-time gig.
And how he ended up, you know, there was a lot of uproar about that when that happened.
Even people on the left were like, hang on a sec, this doesn't look above board.
But he's still there today.
harrison smith
Yeah. And again, you know, there's something about, people don't care about Austin.
I don't know what it is, but anytime we cover local stories from Austin, they never get any views, which it's like, You guys got to understand, Austin's like a test case.
Like, we're in Texas.
It's supposed to be deep conservative.
They've been able to pull stuff off here in Austin that is, it's California level, and it just shows that it could happen anywhere.
And it's not necessarily about, like, this particular event, whatever it is that we're talking about.
It's like, we're just talking about trends that are nationwide.
We experience it here in Austin.
Here's how we experience it.
But all around the country, there's this type of thing going on.
A city councilman runs, claiming to be a moderate Democrat.
Well, quietly in the background saying, actually, I'm a radical.
And once I get elected, I'll really, like, it's not about Jimmy Flanagan.
It's about the mindset of these people and the way they engage and the tactics that they use and the way that even if they lose, oh, well, why don't you come over here and we'll give you a $3,000 a year job.
You can work 20 hours and you can just lead the Tesla protest and the NGOs that are, you know, doing what you were going to do as a councilman.
You'll do it in a private fashion and we'll pay you with taxpayer money.
I mean, this is what they do.
This is how they operate.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and right now, especially here in Austin, the majority of council is DSA council members.
They're the Democratic Socialists of America.
They're backed by the DSA.
We have a district attorney backed by the DSA.
So Jimmy Flanagan's not just an outlier.
I mean, the city is just full of it right now.
And it shows.
Look at the city.
Look at the crime rate.
Look at our police department.
You don't have to look far.
Look at homelessness.
Look at the green belts.
I go into every green belt in this city.
And they're trashed.
You're walking on needles, Cuban feces, garbage, chemicals.
It's in Barton Creek, it's in Williamson Creek, it's everywhere from north to south.
harrison smith
And you gotta see the videos.
I mean, the important thing about what you do is like, I can't describe the stuff that you see.
You have to just see it yourself.
I mean, I can tell you, okay, imagine a forest that's turned into a dumpster, but like...
Until you actually see it, it's impossible to describe just how bad these things are, just how dangerous they are.
I mean, there's fires constantly.
I mean, I get an alert on my phone every single day about trash fires within a mile of my house.
Every single day!
It's like, and it's almost entirely homeless.
And in fact, I was on the neighborhood app.
And it's like a regular thing that people are like constantly going out into their backyard that backs up to the green belt to being like, yep, it was another fire.
Another homeless person setting another fire, not like a camping fire that they're cooking on that gets out of control.
The homeless people just go into the green belt and just slide it on fire and leave.
It's crazy.
jamie hammonds
Yeah. And we saw what happened in California not too long ago with the wildfires.
That's going to happen here.
Yeah. I harp on it constantly.
I have a source in the Austin Fire Department that says during the summertime, roughly 50% of their fire calls are homeless related.
It gets really dry here.
It's going to happen here.
It's going to happen sooner or later.
Last year, it got so bad that the city spent $400,000 on these little mini fire extinguishers and started handing them out into the homeless camps.
I get it.
People need to cook food.
I get it.
But they shouldn't be there in the first place.
harrison smith
Yeah, and it's just how much time and resources and energy do we have to expend dealing with these problems that we create ourselves?
It's infuriating.
It's exhausting.
It must be exhausting for the police and fire and everybody else who has to deal with it.
But let's finish out here talking about the crime stuff because I want to focus on the Tesla stuff, but it's just sort of a wide-ranging conversation because all of this stuff is deeply intertwined, and we're talking about corruption at the city level.
That is actually coordinating with people who are planning these Tesla protests.
Now, there is a protest this Saturday that's coming up.
But it's going to be counter-protested by a pretty interesting group.
Can you tell us about this?
jamie hammonds
Yeah, this is the Wind Therapy Freedom Riders, the WTFers.
It's a biker group here in Austin.
A lot of people will probably remember them from the George Floyd riots when they were in downtown, you know, trying to help people out, trying to save businesses.
They are actually going to be there on Saturday.
They're planning a counter-protest.
There was 500 of them were invited.
I've heard roughly 100 is going to show up.
And if that happens, Saturday could get pretty interesting.
harrison smith
I want to go.
I want to be there.
So here's the tweet from at DocumentingATX.
This Saturday's Tesla takedown protest might be the most interesting of all.
The at the WTFers are planning a counter protest.
So again, it stands for Wind Therapy Freedom Riders.
You say, I think Jimmy Flanagan might have bit off a bit more than he can chew.
As always, Dash will be there streaming it live, and you do go in and stream all of these.
So, I mean, where do you think this goes from here?
I mean, we've already seen the incendiary device placed in the Tesla dealership, which, again, it hasn't gotten the attention it deserves.
There was an attempt to bomb the Tesla facility here, and we're the only ones that were reported on it.
It's just absolutely crazy.
I mean, where do you think this goes?
Do you think these...
jamie hammonds
I think these, the Tesla portion of the protest, I think they're fizzling out.
I think that, you know, they'll go another week or two.
They're trying to have these every Saturday.
But I think that, you know, our news cycle is so chaotic.
The next big thing will come along and then they'll focus attention.
harrison smith
They'll get distracted to that, yeah.
jamie hammonds
That and the federal government is really going after these people.
They're going after the people that are causing damage to the Teslas, the people that are burning, the people that are trying to destroy the property.
They're really going after them.
And this is different from what it was in 2020.
People that are out there causing all of this destruction, they're coming after them.
harrison smith
Yeah. And that alone will have a dampening effect to it.
And you actually have some exclusive information on that.
When we get back on the other side of a quick commercial break, we're going to talk not only about the planning documents that you were able to obtain that shows the way that these protests are orchestrated and coordinated and funded, but also the way in which the federal government is reaching out and trying to find answers by...
By using information from people like Dash and yours truly here at InfoWars.
So stay tuned.
More on the other side with Dash at DocumentingATX on X. We'll be right back.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is the American Journal.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, in studio with Jamie Hammons of Dash at DashATX.net, although the website's down, but it'll be up soon.
The best place to follow him, the best place to get your local information about not just Austin, but Austin is being the epicenter of a lot of the Tesla attacks, including some former city councilmen actually participating in and helping to coordinate these attacks
from his position as an employee of the Austin government.
It's totally insane.
At Documenting ATX.
At Documenting ATX.
Try to say it over and over because no matter what guests I have on, I always get comments going, can you link their Twitter?
I'll say it again.
Documenting ATX.
But we were just talking about just Trump in general and the way that they're approaching these Tesla protests.
And again, you have –
And Trump is obviously taking it seriously.
You've actually, we're saying you were reached out to by some federal authorities.
jamie hammonds
Yeah. Can you explain that?
So the day that the whole incendiary device thing was found at Tesla, a few days later, an ATF agent reached out to me and wanted to know if I had any footage of the protest.
I told him, no, everything was live.
I don't have any extra footage.
But they're looking.
And the only thing that I can come up with is that they're looking at faces.
They're looking at people that were there at the time.
And it doesn't surprise me that they're looking for that.
But it does surprise me that they reached out to see if I had any extra footage.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, I mean, it makes sense.
It's what I would do if I was investigating this.
So on that Saturday, there was a protest.
It wasn't a big one.
You said there were like maybe 50 protesters there.
And we were trying to figure out, and I don't think we ever actually figured out whether that was the one Alex went to in the Cybertruck, but that may have been a different one.
But basically on Saturday you have a protest, and then I think it was that Monday or that Tuesday they find an incendiary device, a.k.a.
a bomb, at the Tesla dealership.
Certainly things could have been destroyed.
Potentially people could have gotten very hurt or died if this wasn't discovered and if the people at the dealership didn't call the police and get it taken care of.
So thank God more damage was avoided.
But basically the FBI is thinking, okay, whoever planted this was probably at the protest on Saturday.
You don't do something as crazy as plant a bomb without testing out the waters for us going in and protesting.
So they reached out to you to find video to basically compile a list of suspects probably.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and from what I understand, there was several incendiary devices.
It wasn't just one.
And from what I get, they were actually under some of the Teslas that were in the parking lot right there.
Okay. And if you know how that parking lot is laid out, there's just one row of Teslas, and it was right there where everybody was protesting.
Wow. I mean, they were butted up against that row.
So, like I said, from what I understand, it was kind of tossed underneath the cars.
When they came in that Monday morning, they found them.
harrison smith
And thank God they did.
And of course, you know, again, I don't remember if it was at the protest right before that or the one before that, but, you know, Alex is there and he says on camera, he goes, these people are going to come back and bomb this place because clearly that's where it goes.
Because if you don't shut this down, you know, before it gets to that point, then it inevitably does because we're not talking about mostly peaceful protests.
We're talking about a lot of vandalism, a lot of destruction of property.
And in fact, the local Fox News station here put out a pretty good report for this.
And it's good because it gives you a pretty good overview of the Tesla protest overall, but it also has Mr. Jimmy Flanagan himself, former city councilman, current city employee, giving interviews about why he's leading this protest.
So let's go to that Fox News clip about the Tesla protest and look for the fat guy with the beard.
That's Jimmy Flanagan.
Let's watch.
unidentified
Also tonight, protests across the country continuing this weekend against Elon Musk and his role in the federal government.
The movement came to North Austin this morning with a protest outside a Tesla store.
Fox 7 Austin's Lauren Rangel is live in the studio tonight with more.
Lauren. John, several dozen people showed up hoping their presence outside this North Austin Tesla store would turn people away from the business.
A line of protesters cheer on vehicles honking in support as they chant.
Organizers are hoping to hit Elon Musk where it could hurt the most.
Tesla. So Saturday morning, they lined Research Boulevard near the Tesla store off Pond Springs Road in North Austin.
We want people to think twice, thrice, and four times before they buy a Tesla because they're going to see this every time they go to a Tesla showroom.
They want people to sell their Teslas, dump Tesla stock, and join them.
This is insane.
And we cannot stand for this unelected person wielding almost unlimited power throughout our government.
This comes after Musk began leading the Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, in January.
That led to a mass layoff of employees and efforts to shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development.
I would like the government to start following the rules.
And not let Musk take over.
This North Austin protest is just one of many across the country.
The movement deemed the Tesla takedown.
We have to show that the public wants change and we want Elon Musk out of the federal government.
And for us tonight, we want Elon Musk out of Austin.
Also happening in the U.S. are more violent acts against Tesla.
In Las Vegas, Teslas were set on fire with the word resist spray-painted on the store.
In Massachusetts, charging stations set ablaze.
The White House calling for an end to these violent acts.
karoline leavitt
It's despicable, the violence that has taken place against Tesla, the company, its employees, and also just Americans who have chosen to drive an electric vehicle.
We would like Democrats to also come out and condemn this heinous violence that we have seen.
unidentified
Back in Austin, protesters say they will keep the peace with plans to show up every Saturday.
Americans are fed up.
They're fed up with Elon Musk.
They're fed up with the destruction of all of the things we've invested in as taxpayers and Americans.
And that's why we're all speaking out.
New data shows Tesla sales aren't dropping.
harrison smith
Wrong, Flanagan.
All right, let's take it down.
What Americans are sick of is fat leftist retards ruining everything.
Sorry. Sorry.
No offense.
But yeah, that was Jimmy Flanagan.
Again, so we have a city employee saying what we want is Elon Musk out of Austin, despite the fact that Elon Musk and Tesla has probably been the biggest boon to the city of Austin in my lifetime.
I mean, they moved their headquarters here.
They're building gigantic buildings.
They're building highways.
It has been such a massive boon to Austin to have this company here.
And hear this.
This gentleman is saying that they want it out.
They want to basically just put everybody in a worse position because he's mad that Elon Musk is cutting fraud and waste.
I mean, this is outrageous.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and he's a city employee.
Indirectly, he's a city employee.
And so a city employee is advocating to remove the largest employer in Travis County.
harrison smith
And just on that note, while that video was playing, I went ahead and went to Grok.
And I just asked you to describe what Tesla has brought to Austin by moving their headquarters there.
So they finalized it in December 2021.
At least 5,000 jobs initially, 10,000 direct jobs over time.
Tesla has spurred job growth in related industries, suppliers, logistics, and construction.
They've partnered with local universities and technical schools to recruit talent, creating pathways for both skilled workers and recent graduates.
Tesla's investment in Gigafactory Texas exceeds $10 billion.
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Or you can throw a Molotov cocktail at the car dealership and, you know, get your rocks off and get pat on the back by the other socialist morons that think you're doing something good despite everything you do constantly turning out terrible.
I mean, it's just, it's infuriating, but it's planned and it's on purpose and it's organized and orchestrated.
So tell us about these documents.
You put these out on your ex at DocumentingATX.
I have so much more coming on these protests.
Jimmy Flanagan, who is a ringleader and other city leaders involved.
Today I'm focusing on the severe weather threat.
So, you know, again, you're getting pulled in all sorts of different directions.
But you say, I've obtained the Tesla takedown planning documents.
Here they are.
Where'd you get these?
What do they show?
jamie hammonds
So I have a source.
Okay. That is, that was part, well, now my alternate identity, I'm a part of that same planning group where I can join the Zooms, but this was initially what they sent me.
And in these documents, it lays out from, you know, nose to tail exactly how the protest is supposed to happen, all the way down to approved chance that they can use.
Right. And, you know, it's a very well-planned protest.
It's very well-planned.
Um, you know, they, uh, all the way down till, you know, they start at 10 a.m.
When noon gets there, they're done.
They're gone.
Literally by 12.05, you won't find anybody there.
They're gone.
harrison smith
Yeah. I wonder if the crew can find that video too, because I had that a few days ago where it's, I think there were actually protesters, if I have it right.
And they're like, yeah, we were protesting Tesla.
We went to grab lunch.
We came back 15 minutes later and nobody's there.
jamie hammonds
They're gone.
harrison smith
And they're walking around filming going, there were hundreds of people here when we left.
Where did they all go?
And it's because they're on the clock.
They clock out at noon.
They go home.
They get their paycheck.
They can stop pretending.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, there's one part of my stream from last weekend.
At about 12.01, a lady started yelling out on the bullhorn.
Protest is over.
We're going to meet.
I forget what restaurant it was.
They were going to a restaurant.
And literally, they just all pack up within one group and just walk down the street and they're gone.
harrison smith
It's just so absurd.
And of course, it's all very carefully, legalistically designed.
They want to push the envelope as long as possible while making sure that they're still technically within the First Amendment.
In fact, they put it in bold.
In fact, we are exercising our First Amendment right to assemble peacefully.
Until you start throwing Molotov cocktails, but let's not quibble.
They talk about how to use this on social media.
They talk about some of their playing documents.
Now, again, when we talk about the fact that it's all old people at these protests, and I have gone into some of these leftist activist groups on Telegram and others like it, where clearly the young people, the more radical people, they're planning things,
they're orchestrating behind the scenes, they're not going out in public and expressing their First Amendment.
But they are coordinating and collaborating behind the scenes and underground, and they actually have very sophisticated, well, not very, but minimally sophisticated barriers you have to get through before you can even be in their planning meeting.
So one that I know we were researching and sort of trying to infiltrate was this group where they would say, okay, we're doing peaceful stuff, we're talking about other stuff, but you have to get into the signal group to talk about that.
In order to get into that, you had to download Signal and you had to do a video chat with people who ran the group so they could see your face, they could see who you were, verify your identity before you were allowed into the group.
So they're running this as if they're domestic terrorists running OPSEC, running operational security and preventing people from getting in.
You don't do that if you're the First Amendment.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, Jimmy Flanagan has the Signal group as well.
I have yet to been able to get a part of it, but yeah, they do have a planning group on Signal.
harrison smith
So that would be the type of thing that the government could very much get access to, or at least, you know, subpoena, or, you know, when you arrest one of these guys, get their cell phone and copy it and find out, you know, what they're discussing.
Do you think that the Trump administration is taking this seriously enough?
Obviously, if they're getting in contact with you and they're investigating it, but...
I mean, how much have you seen in terms of the Trump administration really taking this seriously?
jamie hammonds
Well, again, I'm pretty much on the local level, so I don't see a whole lot of it.
When the ATF reached out, that was really the first time I've had any contact with a federal law enforcement agency.
I do think that they're taking it serious.
I think that's why these protests are going to start fizzling out.
And that's because of all the destruction that's happening.
They're going after them as terrorists.
And I think they're very serious about going after these people.
So I think, you know, you haven't seen a whole lot of the, you're seeing a lot of like keying Teslas and things like that, but you're not seeing much of the burning and things like that anymore.
And I think it's because the federal government's come down with a heavy hand.
harrison smith
I think you're right.
And I think it's so funny how these people see themselves.
They say this, quote, You may have seen MAGA Republicans and far-right influencers calling Tesla protests domestic terrorism or trying to identify protest organizers.
That means that the Tesla takedown movement is working.
Like, no, that means that you've burned down dealerships and you're domestic terrorists.
That's what we call you.
I mean, this is not complicated.
They say they are seeing the people rising up.
Out of their walkers, I guess.
And they're scared of accountability.
They can continue calling us names on Musk's social media platform, but we are exercising our First Amendment right by peacefully protesting.
We made steadfast and nonviolent even when we engage in peaceful acts of civil disobedience, like occupying a showroom.
I mean, these people, I mean, they think, they think that they're, you know, black people sitting at a lunch counter in the 1960s.
It's like, you people are not a part of some civil rights movement.
You are petulant morons attacking the biggest employer in Austin.
Because you're mad that USAID isn't funding gay dance classes in Ireland anymore.
These people are just delusional, man.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and they had the, I don't know if you remember the legal observers from 2020?
harrison smith
Of course.
jamie hammonds
They had the legal observers at these protests, and they always walk around with a clipboard collecting people's names.
And they act like...
It's LARPing.
You can't put it any other way.
I mean, you know, they go out for a couple hours, make a few hundred bucks, go to, you know, Luby's, and then, you know, back to their day job.
harrison smith
Yep, and again, it is highly orchestrated and prepared.
I mean, they have this, preparing the action.
First, we'll start with roles for the action.
You have advanced roles, coordinator, recruiters.
And, of course, we showed the documents from all the way back in 2015.
Where it wasn't Alexander Soros, it was Jonathan Soros, George Soros' other son, who ran this organization called Friends of Democracy.
And they were coordinating and orchestrating the Black Lives Matter riots.
And they say in their planning documents, they said, our ultimate goal is to create a feedback loop that empowers the police, that creates martial law-like conditions.
And they had people in the police.
And in the city council in Baltimore where these protests were being held, they were coordinating with and they said, you know, we've talked to them and here are the places where you can commit violence and here's the level of violence you can commit without getting in trouble.
So I would be very surprised if not just Jimmy Flanagan as a city employee was involved in this, but city council people and the heads of the police are actually coordinating probably with these protesters going, okay, here's what we'll let you get away with.
Here's when we're going to come.
So here's when you need to leave.
I mean, All of this is just a big act.
It's a big theater.
It's a big game they're all playing to get the messaging out on social media and the media that they think works for them.
jamie hammonds
Yeah, and we're trying to prove that, or we're trying to find out if he's used any city resources to plan any of these protests, to do any kind of work that would harm Tesla.
The problem is, is when you use, when you go in and put a freedom of information request in, they know what they're doing.
They know how to keep you from getting that information.
They make it cost prohibitive.
You know, they make it so expensive that your normal everyday person can't go out and get, you know, they can't request these documents.
So we're trying to prove it.
We're getting close.
And I hope the city will take some action.
harrison smith
Yeah, well, I hope Trump takes some action.
Because again, you don't have to speculate.
You have his tweets.
His posts on Facebook and elsewhere, quote, these damn bricks won't throw themselves, y'all.
See you Thursday.
It's a city employee saying go throw bricks.
There's no way to spin that into something other than advocating for vandalism and domestic terrorism.
So how this guy's even still a city employee, let alone leading these protests.
There was somebody else leading that protest, Nevin Kamath.
All of these guys are...
Professional agitators, right?
jamie hammonds
Yeah, Nevin started a nonprofit.
He's here in Austin.
I believe it started right around December 6th called Resist.
That's the name of his nonprofit.
And a lot of the planning, it's Jimmy and Nevin.
They're hand-in-hand planning this together.
Every time that I go to one of these protests, they're all taking pictures.
They film it.
They post our faces on Reddit.
They post it on Instagram.
I really don't care, but the point is there's more to these protests.
It's the way they planned them, the way they set them up, the way they fund them.
There's so many layers to it that it makes it really hard for one single person to get through everything.
harrison smith
Get a full understanding of it.
And again, just to emphasize that we know these things are planned and paid for, let's go to that video.
I understand we have it now of the guys who went to lunch only to come back to realize the protest they were a part of clocked out at noon and all went home.
unidentified
So me and Gabe took about a 30 minute break and we went back to the hotel to recharge.
When we come back...
harrison smith
And this place is dead.
unidentified
Take a look.
Like, not a single protester inside.
And just 20 to 30 minutes ago, it was completely packed with protesters.
So, one of two things.
Either A, they were paid and their time was gone, you know, they're off work, they get to go.
Or B, they're literally just a cult and they all left at once.
Like, it's one of the two options.
harrison smith
You tell me.
unidentified
It's one of those two, and I'm not sure which is better or worse.
harrison smith
But even in this planning document, I saw it a second ago.
But, I mean, they sort of say that, right?
They're like, you can stay as long as you want, but we want you to stay until, you know, the time limit in particular.
It's like, and it's organized.
It's orchestrated.
It's paid for.
They all are.
jamie hammonds
Well, I thought that the reason they were leaving noon straight up was because maybe they had a permit for the protest.
But that ain't it either.
They don't have a permit for it.
So it's not.
Any legal matter that they're leaving.
They're leaving because that was the plan.
That's what they're paid for.
And then they're gone.
harrison smith
One of the reasons I love having you on the show and I always want to promote the stuff that you do is because you are a regular dude that just decided to start going out and making content.
The thing about InfoWars, what we've always wanted to do is become obsolete because we want there to be an army of people out there.
Like you, on the street.
The same reason I bring on people who, you know, the independent reporters that went to the border for all of Biden's administration to cover what was going on on the ground, because we need that.
We cannot rely on the mainstream media.
We cannot rely on, you know, these old institutions.
We need people on the ground.
So first, how can people support the work that you do?
jamie hammonds
Mainly liking, sharing, getting the message out.
My main platform that I use is Twitter.
You can find me at documentingATX on Twitter.
I have a pinned tweet at the top where there's ways that you can support us over there.
We do have a website.
It's not up right now.
Your producer actually found out about that this morning, so we're working on that.
It's dashatx.net.
But yeah, just getting the message out, liking, sharing, spreading the word.
harrison smith
Because it really is important and impactful, the work that you do.
It's actually exposing the reality of the situation, not the media talking points about what's going on.
So I do think it's important to support yourself and others like you, but also to inspire other people to be like you.
Because I see this as an opportunity.
If I didn't work at Infowars, I sort of do a lot of this already, but I think it'd be really fun to try to infiltrate.
I think it'd be really fun to pretend to be a leftist to get in, to get their documents to publish on X. I mean, you could cause chaos.
You can cause division.
You can expose them.
I mean, this is an opportunity to peacefully infiltrate, peacefully expose what these people are doing.
And this is a call out to all of our listeners out there.
If you can hear my voice and have an internet connection, there is no barrier to you participating in this, again, in a peaceful, lawful way.
But certainly, you can be a spy.
You can be an undercover operative and go in and get this type of stuff, publish it, send it to us, send it to Dash.
We can get the information out, and that can do real damage to these destructive movements that they're pulling off.
So what would your advice be to people who saw what was going on, they're furious about it, and they want to get involved in some way?
jamie hammonds
Everybody's got a camera nowadays.
Everybody's got a phone.
Film it.
If you see something, film it.
Say something.
Reach out to me.
To you guys, reach out to somebody.
We can help spread the word.
When it comes to these, you know, if you want to infiltrate some of these leftist organizations, it's not hard.
They do the majority of their meetings through Zoom, so you can Zoom record.
Basically, just get the information.
Get inside and get whatever information you can.
Documents, videos.
Names, whatever it is, you can get it and you can cause a lot of trouble.
Some of these groups, these leftist groups, they're not hard to infiltrate.
They're not as smart as what they, you know, claim to be.
You know, it's pretty easy to get in with them.
harrison smith
And they've been operating with impunity for the last 10 years.
So they've sort of, that's atrophy.
That muscle is atrophy.
They don't really have to worry.
They haven't had to worry about being secret for so long.
Now they're starting to, but I still think it'd be a fun challenge to try to discover what they're up to.
Again, you got to be careful.
You got to do it legally.
We don't.
These leftists are insane, and we don't want your information out there getting doxxed, but I think it's important that we take this as seriously as they're taking it, and that we not sit back and wait for the government to do it, even though, as we pointed out, there's certain things that we don't have the capacity to do, and the federal government needs to do it,
But we can constantly we can be the sort of excuse me, partisan behind enemy lines, you know, revolutionaries, the resistance, the French resistance, you know, behind Nazi lines going in and just giving support to the main body, the main army force, which is the federal
government. They need us in their burning supplies and then, you know, disrupting communication lines symbolically, theoretically, peacefully, legally.
But that's what we need to be doing.
This is a real conflict and they're treating it like a war.
We need to as well.
jamie hammonds
I think so.
You know, like I said, if you see it, film it, post it.
harrison smith
Get it out there.
jamie hammonds
Get it out there.
It's the only way.
harrison smith
Well, that's what my guest Jamie Hammons has been doing.
He's been doing a great job with it.
Follow him on X at DocumentingATX website dash ATX dot net.
We'll be up very shortly.
Stay tuned.
Alex Jones begins in 90 seconds.
unidentified
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Thank you.
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kirk elliott
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