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Bob Frantz LIVE: DC freezes while California burns

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	Thank you.
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	And we will do so by making the Gulf of America great again, and Greenland America again, and the Panama American Canal great again.
	Welcome to America First.
	Hey, I'm Bob France, sitting in for Dr. Gorka, live in Cleveland, Ohio, AM 1420. The answer is my home base.
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	So I do appreciate you being with us.
	We're going to start today with the most obvious of stories because this is something that truly...
	Should transcend politics?
	I think it does largely.
	I haven't heard a lot of people politicizing what's going on.
	In California right now, ever since this morning that I did my morning show, I was just watching the flames and watching the winds just whipping and blowing these flames and carrying them from one structure to the next, to the next, to the next.
	It's a domino effect with what's going on in Los Angeles County, California.
	It is devastating.
	There's no other way to say it.
	It's catastrophic.
	People have lost their homes, Oceanside homes, and I don't care if they're Oceanside homes and their mansions.
	I don't care if the people who are impacted are wealthy or who are impoverished.
	These are human beings.
	These are American citizens.
	I don't care about their politics.
	I don't care how they vote.
	Quite frankly, this is devastating.
	And I said this morning what I'll say now, and that is that we really, truly need to make sure that all of our prayers and thoughts are with those victims in Los Angeles County.
	This is a brutal situation.
	And, you know, I said also this morning, and I'll repeat it for you here to the America First audience, you know, the left routinely mocks us.
	When we talk about, you know, thoughts and prayers, you know, there's a mass shooting, and we, of course, our thoughts and prayers with the families, the victims, and so on and so forth, and, oh, we don't need to hear your thoughts and prayers.
	Do something about it, you know, is the argument, because they, of course, want to then attack the Second Amendment and ban what they call assault weapons and so forth.
	And quite frankly, I don't care.
	When they say that, I don't care.
	I offer my prayers, and I will literally pray for victims, for families, for comfort to those affected and afflicted and so forth, because that's...
	Well, that's what we do.
	That's what we as true patriotic, God-fearing Americans, whether we be Christian or Jew or what have you, that's what we do.
	And I will say it now, even though the left may occupy the overwhelming majority of Los Angeles County and they may not care about thoughts and prayers most of the time.
	Let's offer our thoughts and prayers anyway.
	So it's a devastating situation down there, and there's a little bit of coverage.
	We want to share some of this with you too.
	The L.A. County Board of Supervisors, Catherine Barger, or Barger, I'm not quite sure.
	Despite being in Africa, she says Karen Bass, the mayor, is still very, very engaged.
	I just watched a clip on cable news a few minutes before the program started here.
	And the man who ran for mayor against Karen Bass had an opportunity, quite frankly, to slam her because when is she coming back?
	And what is she going to do?
	He did not do that.
	Again, no politicization here other than to say leadership is required.
	And her quickest return from Africa for whatever her...
	I don't know if it's business or pleasure or what have you, but her quick return would be in order here.
	Her city is on fire.
	But let's listen to a little bit of what they're saying about the leadership in L.A. Cut 11, please.
	Catherine, the mayor is in West Africa on a trip that was pre-scheduled in Ghana.
	Do you know if Karen Bass is on her way back to Los Angeles?
	She is, and I've been in contact with her.
	Very, very, very engaged in this and is going to be here today.
	And so I, you know, she is, with technology the way it is, she has been in contact up in the air and is going to be landing this morning and is going to hit the ground running.
	So the fact that the mayor is not in town doesn't mean that we're not getting the resources we need.
	You know, and that's a legitimate question.
	What does it mean to hit the ground running?
	What is she going to do?
	What can she do about resources, about first responders?
	There are simply not enough of them.
	There are not enough of either, quite frankly, of resources nor first responders to truly deal with this situation, especially given the weather conditions that are exacerbating it.
	Very, very high winds.
	Earlier this morning, they were talking about pretty sustained winds at over 60 miles an hour and gusts up to 99 miles an hour.
	As the day has gone on, and I've been...
	They're talking about winds well over 100 miles an hour, and they are at a loss on how to deal with them.
	I mean, it's difficult enough to get a fire line, meaning a line of water from hoses, to go where they're pointing them when they do have pumper trucks and so forth on the scene.
	And then, typically...
	In a wildfire situation like this, helicopters would be flying fire-retardant chemicals over top of the blazes and dropping them to help fight that fire.
	But they can't get choppers in the air when there are winds between 60 and 100, 100, 100, 120 miles an hour.
	Because it's obviously unsafe for the pilots, and it would be ineffective dropping the chemicals anyway.
	So it's a really, really...
	Almost impossible situation.
	And as I monitor this here, from here on cable news, you know, I'm looking at, they're saying the Eaton fire so far is 0% contained.
	The Pacific Palisades fire.
	Zero percent contained.
	I mean, we're talking about no less than four wildfires burning right now.
	One of them was brought under control.
	It was a smaller one this morning.
	But right now, it is a catastrophic situation that is only getting worse, not better.
	And whether the mayor is there or not, quite frankly, I don't know if there would be any difference.
	So when something like this happens...
	A couple of questions come to mind.
	Number one, how?
	What?
	What is this?
	Why did this start?
	This isn't, you know, fire season, wildfire season.
	Usually it's when the summer happens and it's very, very dry and a lot of the ground is dry and a lot of the forestry has not been cleared.
	A lot of brush has not been cleared away.
	It's fuel for wildfires and all it takes is one little spark and boom, away we go.
	We're not in that season now.
	It's January.
	And while there's no snow there, it's really not so dry and arid that it's the kind of conditions that would lead to this widespread.
	So what happened here?
	How did it get started?
	LA County Fire Chief Anthony Maroney spoke to that.
	Cut 10, please.
	We have well over 5,000 acres that have burned and the fire is growing.
	We have no percentage of containment.
	We have an estimated 1,000 structures destroyed and also no reported fatalities and a high number of significant injuries to residents who did not evacuate in addition to first responders who were on the fire line.
	We have over 1,000 personnel assigned and the cause of the fire is unknown, however it is under investigation.
	Yeah, and I regret to say that the clip from earlier today is no longer accurate.
	There have been two reported fatalities, along with a number of very severe injuries.
	Evacuations of many, many communities and cities in Los Angeles County.
	And again, what you just heard at the end of that comment, they don't know how the fire started.
	And the fact that the winds are so high, the Santa Ana winds, as they're known, are blowing, like I said, those flames so fast from one structure to another, people were unable to even drive away from it.
	The flames were faster than they could move in traffic, so they were having to abandon their cars, get out of their cars, and run just to avoid their car being swept up along with them in the inferno.
	So there is one element, maybe two.
	About this that we can talk about as far as accountability, if you want to call it that.
	And we're going to talk about this after the break.
	I was sitting down for a conference, and I don't have the specific date on this, with some California leaders during one of the summer wildfire situations.
	And the conversation from the left out there in California was, well, clearly this is as bad as it is because of climate change, climate change, climate change.
	President Trump had a message for them then that I'm going to share with you now about what's really fueling these things.
	We'll share that coming up.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. G.
	This is America First.
	I'm Bob Franson.
	We've got to take care of the floors.
	You know, the floors of the forests.
	Very important.
	You look at other countries where they do it differently, and it's a whole different story.
	I was with the president of Finland, and he said, we have a much different...
	We're a forest nation.
	He called it a forest nation.
	And they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don't have any problem.
	And when it is, it's a very small problem.
	So...
	I know everybody's looking at that.
	Thank you.
	host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
	uh Obviously an honor to be in for Dr. G once again today.
	I'll be here tomorrow.
	And then on Friday, we got some clarity on this.
	I was thinking the Hugh Hewitt show was going to start on Friday during this time period.
	It actually starts on Monday, but Hugh is going to be in on Friday anyway.
	And it will be in for Dr. G in the same way that I am right now.
	Now, kind of just a little bit of a liftoff to get things started as he launches from the morning show, the nationally syndicated Hugh Hewitt program, to the afternoons in the America First time slot.
	So it's an honor to be here in the interim as Dr. G prepares for his role as a senior advisor and deputy chief of staff on counterterrorism.
	And he's going to be a phenomenal asset to the Trump administration.
	So I'm so glad he's going to be doing that.
	We're going to miss him on the radio, though.
	And today, I thank you for letting me be a part of your afternoon as well, or midday, depending on where you are.
	So, 833-33-GORK is the phone number to join us.
	833-334-6752.
	And before we do any of that, though, I'm going to listen to a little bit more.
	Because, again, I don't think that looking for answers to, you know, some of the devastation and the catastrophe, catastrophic wildfires in...
	Los Angeles County right now.
	I don't think looking for answers is the same thing as turning it political.
	Some may disagree.
	Some may say what I'm about to talk about, what I'm about to play for you is playing politics at a time of great suffering and a terrible situation.
	I don't intend for it to be, but we do have to look for answers.
	I think that's fair.
	I think it's incumbent upon us to kind of try to figure out what happened.
	Why is it so devastating, particularly given the time of the year?
	It's not the end of the hot, summer, dry season.
	Why is this happening the way that it is?
	So I want to let you hear a couple of things.
	Number one is from President Biden back in 2020 when he was running for president.
	And he was trying to tell the American people that if President Trump was reelected at that time, there would be more wildfires.
	There would be more wildfires because Donald Trump doesn't know what he's doing and he doesn't care about climate change.
	And if he doesn't care about climate change, well then clearly, you know, the climate change is going to cause more devastation.
	There's going to be more hurricanes.
	There's going to be more fires.
	There's going to be more tornadoes.
	There's going to be more floods.
	There's going to be more blizzards.
	There's going to be more drought.
	Everything is going to get worse if Donald Trump is elected back in 2020. So I find it very, very interesting that now at the end of Joe Biden's single term as president, we're seeing some of the things that we are seeing here.
	Take a listen to Cut15.
	Donald Trump's climate denial may not have caused these fires and record floods and record hurricanes.
	But if he gets a second term, these hellish events will continue to become more common, more devastating and more deadly.
	Meanwhile, Donald Trump warns that integration is threatening our suburbs.
	It's ridiculous.
	So that's what Joe Biden, then candidate for president, had to say.
	That if Donald Trump becomes president again, wins a second term, there's going to be more fires than ever before.
	Because of Donald Trump's climate denialism.
	Okay.
	Let's be a little bit more discerning here in our observation and in our commentary.
	Because what the hell actually leads?
	To not only more wildfires, but more widespread and more devastating and more damaging wildfires.
	Does it have anything to do with forestry management?
	Well, let's look back to 2018 when President Trump was president the first time around and a conversation that President Trump had with Gavin Newsom at that time about exactly that, standing in the middle of, yeah, a forest.
	Cut 16. We've got to take care of the floors.
	You know, the floors of the forests.
	Very important.
	You look at other countries where they do it differently, and it's a whole different story.
	I was with the president of Finland, and he said, we have a much different...
	We're a forest nation.
	He called it a forest nation.
	And they spent a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things, and they don't have any problem.
	And when it is, it's a very small problem.
	So, uh...
	I know everybody's looking at that.
	And all of that is true.
	He was right then and he's right now.
	And again, now I'm not suggesting that in this particular case, in the wildfires that they're dealing with right now in Los Angeles County, that this is specific to...
	The lack of good forestry management, the clearing of brush, the clearing of some of the dry, dead wood that fuels fires and makes them spread farther and faster.
	Because right now it's the winds that are making these fires spread farther and faster from structure to structure in neighborhoods and communities and cities all over Los Angeles County.
	It is the winds.
	Now, I am going to guess that at some point...
	On one of the left-wing networks, whether it be MSNBC or CNN or on ABC and The View or whatever it is, somebody's going to say, well, you know, it's more windy, though.
	It's more windy.
	Those Santa Ana winds are much stronger now that are blowing these flames all over the place because of climate change.
	The same type of climate change that Donald Trump denies.
	The same type of climate change that leads to global warming and to all of these conditions becoming more severe.
	And clearly, this is going to...
	Somehow, someway, be pinned on Donald Trump, or they're going to blame him for not doing enough to combat it.
	So I want to bring you another clip.
	Now this one, I do not have the specifics in terms of what the conference was, but I want you to listen as President Trump responds.
	Do we have enough time in this segment?
	How much time do we have in this segment?
	We do.
	Let's listen to Donald Trump responding to claims that climate change are the reason for the wildfires and their severity.
	Cut 14. You've seen what happened.
	You've talked about the forest fires.
	Now we're permitting and cleaning up these forests so it will reduce the threat of forest fire as well as creating jobs in these communities.
	We're all to do that in California.
	Yes, sir.
	California's a mess.
	We're giving billions and billions of dollars for forest fires in California.
	There's no reason for those fires to be like they are.
	They're leaving them dirty.
	It's a disgraceful thing.
	Old trees are sitting there, rotting and dry.
	And instead of cleaning it up, they don't touch them.
	They leave them.
	And we end up with these massive fires that we're paying hundreds of billions of dollars for, too.
	And the destruction is incredible.
	So I think California ought to get their act together and clean up their forests and manage their forests because it's disgraceful.
	What's happening should never happen.
	I go all over the country and I meet with governors.
	The first thing they say is there's no reason for forest fires like that in California.
	So I say to the governor...
	For whoever's going to be the governor of California, you better get your act together.
	Because California, we're just not going to continue to pay the kind of money that we're paying because of fires that should never be to the extent.
	They were telling me in a couple of states, I won't even mention their name, it's like a flash.
	Some grass will burn.
	It'll be over in minutes.
	They'll lose two acres, three acres.
	At the most, they won't even lose that.
	And here we are with thousands of acres and billions and billions of dollars every year.
	It's the same thing every year.
	And they don't want to clean up their forests because they have environmental problems in cleaning it up.
	It should be the opposite because you're going to lose your forests.
	You'll lose it.
	But it's costing our country hundreds of billions of dollars because of incompetence in California.
	So the people I'm speaking now for the people of California, they don't want to see this happen.
	They're getting destroyed.
	So this was, I don't know exactly when in President Trump's first term that was, but clearly President Trump explaining and articulating how he understands this issue so much better than Democrat politicians in California.
	This is where I said some people may accuse me of playing politics here, and maybe I am.
	But you know what?
	Accountability.
	And blame needs to be affixed here.
	And when they blame Donald Trump because of climate change denialism, and Donald Trump says no, it's because of your environmental policies leading to these, Donald Trump has been proven right.
	It's a catastrophe, but it's reality.
	We'll be back.
	The only thing they can hope for is that Republicans implode and F things up so bad that the American people are just dying for a change because there's nothing Democrats can say about Republicans that we should believe after they spent weeks calling Trump a fascist and calling Republicans fascist and telling us it would be the end of democracy only to put a button on all of that.
	Thank you.
	OK, so welcome back and thanks for being with us on America First with Bob Franzen for Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	That clip we just played for you with President Trump was from 2019. It was a White House summit on fighting California's new state carbon emissions rules.
	Thank you, Jeff, for that information.
	I was trying to figure out exactly what the context was, but it was President Trump just spitting facts about what causes California wildfires.
	Not what causes them all the time, but what exacerbates them, what makes them worse, what makes them spread so far and do so much damage.
	The left says climate change.
	President Trump said, no, your ridiculous policies about not wanting to disturb the environment by cleaning it up.
	By getting a bunch of the dead wood and brush and, you know, the fuel for these fires the heck out of there the way they do in other countries.
	Why don't you people understand this?
	So there is a little bit of a political element to what's going on with these terrible fires because the left is going to continue to blame climate change and we're going to continue to tell the truth.
	Now, phone lines are open to you, by the way.
	83333-GORKER. If you've got thoughts on this.
	The climate change aspect, the forestry aspect, the management aspect.
	You can do any of those things.
	We'll take your calls, 833-334-6752.
	Meantime, I'm going to talk, speaking of the politicization of all of this, I want to play a clip from Charlemagne Tha God, of course, a well-known radio host who played something of a role, I think, in each of the last two elections, particularly...
	Should have been a much bigger role in the 2020 election when Joe Biden told him, if you don't know whether or not you like me or Trump, then you ain't black.
	Charlemagne the God is continuing to...
	He's not being red-pilled.
	Won't go that far.
	He's continuing, though, to...
	Talk to Democrats, his fellow Democrats, whether they be of color or not, and telling them, you need to change your game.
	You need to change your entire mindset here because you're not making any sense with what you're doing to Donald Trump.
	There has been a huge reaction to his press conference yesterday and his attempts to talk about acquiring Greenland, reacquiring the Panama Canal, and more.
	But listen to what he has to say, and then we'll discuss.
	Cut one.
	It's almost like...
	Democrats don't realize how they screw themselves for the future because the midterms are right around the corner.
	The only thing they can hope for is that Republicans implode and eff things up so bad that the American people are just dying for a change because there's nothing Democrats can say about Republicans that we should believe after they spent weeks calling Trump a fascist and calling Republicans fascists and telling us it would be the end of democracy only to put a button on all of that.
	It's important to understand what he just said there, two different parts of that.
	Number one, he said it's impossible for Democrats to tell us anything that we can believe, because they tried to tell us Trump was a fascist, Trump was this, Trump was that, and then Trump won the election, so clearly nobody's buying it.
	Nothing you say we're going to believe, but then more importantly, he said the only thing Democrats can do when it comes to hoping for a return to power is to hope that the Republicans screw it up so bad that people are dying for a change.
	Which brings us to what we discussed yesterday and should continue to discuss every time he does something insane.
	Joe Biden is trying to salt the earth behind him to make it impossible for things to grow in the Trump administration.
	Look at it this way.
	What does every president concern himself with when they're at the end of their presidency?
	Right?
	This is just a universal truth.
	Their legacy.
	How will I be remembered?
	As a good president?
	As a bad president?
	One of the best?
	One of the worst?
	How can I make myself look the best that I can?
	So if you're Joe Biden, you're leaving office now after your sole singular term.
	And right before you...
	There was the economic boom and tremendous low-cost, low-inflation, high-energy output, no new wars.
	I mean, it was going great guns until COVID, of course.
	But it was a great administration by Donald Trump, low prices, great growth for everybody.
	Then here comes Joe Biden.
	High prices, low energy output, higher mortgage rates, higher crime rates, higher immigration rates, and so on and so forth.
	And now you're leaving.
	The last thing in the world you can have happen here is to have the guy who preceded you come back in after you and make things great again.
	Because then you'll have greatness, crap, followed by greatness.
	And obviously, you being the crap, your legacy is gone.
	So what can and should and must he do if he wants to try to protect his legacy?
	Don't let Donald Trump make America great again.
	Don't do what Charlemagne just said there.
	Charlemagne said if the Republicans screw it up enough, help them, make them, force them to screw it up enough by selling off the border wall parts, by banning drilling in 625 million acres of American coastal waters.
	So that the drill baby drill part cannot happen.
	What else?
	Release prisoners.
	Commute sentences of violent criminals.
	Have 159 Democrats yesterday vote against the Lake and Riley Act to deport illegal alien criminals.
	Everything that they can do to make things hellish for Donald Trump and for you, starting on January 20th, they are doing.
	Because his legacy is on the line here.
	Charlemagne's right.
	If the Republicans screw up, Democrats can get back in power.
	So Joe Biden is trying to make sure things get screwed up as much as humanly possible.
	More coming.
	Your calls, too.
	Bob Franson for Dr. G. I'm
	Seb Gorka.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Yeah, let's do exactly that.
	Thank you, Dr. G. Bob Franson for Dr. G. on America First.
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	I want to get back to it, and I want to open up the phone lines, too, to you.
	833-333-GORCA, 833-334-6752 to talk about what President Trump is doing here in this transition period as we are now.
	What is the day?
	Eighth?
	Today's the eighth, right?
	So we're 12 days away, technically 11, from President Trump taking office.
	And I think everybody's expecting a whole lot of extraordinary things to happen on day one.
	Because quite frankly, President Trump made a whole lot of promises that on day one, I will blank, fill in the blank, fill in the blank, fill in the blank.
	So how many of those things he can do on day one, how many he will do is obviously what we're all waiting anxiously to see.
	So yesterday...
	He was reminding people of that at his press conference.
	I talked about this on the program yesterday.
	This was, for lack of a better way of saying it, a master class in how to handle a media that is hostile and that is hungry for stories and hungry for things to criticize him about.
	Does he hide from the media so that he doesn't give them that fuel for their fires, pardon the pun, given what's going on in Los Angeles County?
	No.
	He goes out there and attacks it.
	Says, let's spend an hour and a half here.
	I'm going to give you a whole bunch of information.
	I'm going to make a speech.
	I'm going to introduce a Japanese investor who's going to bring $20 billion into the United States for data processing.
	And then I'm going to answer all your questions on whatever it is that you want to ask.
	It really was a masterclass, again, given the fact that he knew they were going to come out to get him, and he didn't care.
	Joe Biden knows he can't handle questions.
	He hides.
	He doesn't take questions.
	Kamala Harris, same story.
	She knew she wasn't going to be able to answer questions, so she didn't take questions.
	That's just the way things went.
	Her entire presidential campaign for the second half of 2024, it was scripted rallies, and that's it.
	And teleprompter speeches, doing interviews and press conferences, forget about it.
	So President Trump gave this great masterclass yesterday on how to handle all of these things.
	And typically, it set the left off.
	You know, he's talking in the transition about the things that he's going to do to make sure that everybody knows what he did promise and what his plans are.
	And the left decided to whine about it.
	So I want you to listen to Willie Geist.
	I guess I mispronounced that.
	Here's Willie Geist on NBC complaining about President Trump's Press conference saying he sounds like he's still running for president.
	Well, maybe he's just reminding of you exactly why he won the race for president, but nonetheless, cut four.
	As we watched this yesterday, it was a return to, oh yeah, this is what this is like.
	Donald Trump almost in rally mode, campaign rally, just listing off grievances and whining about all the injustices that he perceives against him.
	Even complaining about the election that he won, suggesting there was something amiss with the election, saying, "America, what a horrible place because we run our elections like this." Musing about the potential of Hezbollah having been there on January 6th.
	I guess the question for viewers, for the news media, for others is: What do you do with this when most of it is trolling?
	Most of it is not policy that he's actually going to pursue.
	But there it was for an hour again yesterday.
	What we do, you unbelievable quarter wit, is we cheer and we celebrate that we have somebody who is willing to take on the things that he said he would take on.
	That's what we do.
	Whiny.
	And the idea that you said he was the one whining, President Trump is listing a list of grievances.
	He's got a list of grievances.
	But you know what he doesn't do?
	He doesn't whine about them and then go in the corner and hide.
	He attacks what is wrong with the things that are being levied at him, or leveled at him.
	And then he...
	He talked about the fact that it did take, you know, a month or longer.
	In some cases, much longer than a month for every single vote to be counted and for the final vote counts to be certified in some states.
	And he's right to complain about that.
	Why the hell do we have to wait two, three, four, five days in some cases to find out what the vote counts are in, especially if one or two of those late counts is a battleground state, a swing state that might actually tip the electoral college one way or the other.
	He's right.
	We used to be able to have an answer by 10 o'clock at night.
	You know, maybe it was some of the late counts on the West Coast a little bit later than that, but we used to be able to have an answer, what got so difficult?
	And the answer is, there are a lot of different mechanisms for fraud and a lot of different things that are done to drag it out so that all of the eyes are not on the counts when they're being done.
	President Trump yesterday had a lot to say about a lot of things.
	He talked about the economy.
	He talked about the energy.
	He talked about foreign policy.
	He talked about wars in Eastern Europe and in the Middle East.
	He talked about China.
	He talked about Greenland.
	He talked about Canada.
	He hit virtually everything and answered everything that was asked of him, save for...
	The occasional question he got about military strategy.
	Are you going to use the military here?
	Are you going to use it there?
	Are you going to do this?
	He said, why would I tell you that?
	Only an idiot would answer a question like that.
	Of course I'm not going to tell you what our military strategies are going to be.
	Other than that, he answered every single question.
	And yet the left is not satisfied.
	They would rather live in the darkness, the cloak and dagger type of presidential administration run by Joe Biden and the Democrats, apparently, because they can just be trusted.
	Yeah, we don't need to hear from them.
	We know what they're doing is going to be the right thing.
	So they didn't complain at all.
	Donald Trump comes out with transparency, takes on the media, and he's accused of whining by whiny geist.
	He was the real whiner here.
	So I want to pivot to a different Democrat, a different style of Democrat now, a different type of Democrat, because I think this is what we need to see.
	And this is what we need to hear more of.
	Stephen A. Smith is a sports commentator.
	I used to be a sports commentator.
	I cut my teeth in radio.
	I didn't cut my teeth.
	I did a large part of my career in radio doing sports radio starting back in 1997. And I've worked in the NFL. I've worked in the NBA. And I've worked in the MLB. I've done a lot of things.
	No problem transitioning from sports into news or into politics or what have you.
	But I think it's important here, and if I've got time to hit this clip, Stephen A. Smith is a sports guy who is, we don't have time for this, so we're going to wait until the next segment for this clip.
	That's fine.
	Let me set the table.
	Stephen A. Smith is a very, very staunch left winger.
	Let's put it that way.
	He is a guy who has been supportive of every Democrat.
	He has been critical of every conservative thing whenever he does talk politics.
	He has been critical of President Trump.
	But ever since this election and ever since, quite frankly, the campaign and the candidacy of Kamala Harris, I won't, again, just like with Charlemagne, I won't say he's been red-pilled, but I will say he is much more open to conversion.
	And Stephen A. Smith's had some things to say about this that we'll share with you after this short timeout.
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	Because it seems like more of somewhat prominent American liberals or leftists are starting to come around and starting to understand a little bit about what...
	About what Donald Trump and about what the conservative movement is bringing to the table.
	Stephen A. Smith, like I said, a leftist sports personality who's been dabbling into politics now, which is just fine by me if he keeps those two things separate.
	I'd like my sports to be separate from that.
	But here's a Democrat who is not afraid to criticize Democrats.
	I think the tide is shifting.
	You tell me.
	Cut number seven.
	He's a dealmaker.
	He's a ribbon cutter.
	These are the kind of things people say to describe Donald Trump.
	They also throw out the words deal-maker, dreamer, etc., etc.
	People can make the argument that at least that's a return to the norm because of what we had been getting from the other side.
	What were they talking about when they looked at the Democrats?
	And they saw this focus on woke culture, saw this focus on transgender rights and things of that nature, and got us veered in a different direction that made Americans look at this country and say, what the hell are we doing?
	Where the hell are we going?
	This kind of language, no matter how fivolous we may think it is, no matter how we may suspect that it's much ado about nothing.
	At least it sounds like a typical politician talking a bunch of smack, giving us a bunch of superlatives, knowing that it's much ado about nothing.
	At least America can sit up and say, now that's normal.
	We can relate to that.
	That's familiar to us.
	And I think that's what you're seeing a lot of people say.
	That doesn't sound like a leftist anymore, does it?
	Stephen A. Smith does not sound like the typical leftist, critical, where everything is about race, everything is about DEI, everything is about...
	Woke policies and stuff.
	He just declared it because that was in response to President Trump talking about crazy ideas like buying or annexing Greenland or annexing in some way, shape, or form parts of, if not all of Canada, reclaiming the Panama Canal.
	The left overall...
	Is ridiculing and condemning and criticizing those kinds of things.
	And here's a guy who's sounding more and more pragmatic as time goes on, as he starts to move more and more into the political realm from sports.
	Stephen A. Smith went on, you saw it there, it was Chris Cuomo, with Chris Cuomo on NewsNation, and heard him say, You know what though?
	What President Trump is doing isn't woke politics.
	And that's what gets Democrats beat, all of the wokeness.
	He's not talking about trans rights.
	He's talking about expanding America's territory.
	He's talking about American greatness.
	He's talking about American exceptionalism.
	And isn't that something that we can all get behind?
	And so when you start to see, again, I will not go so far as to call it red-pilling people like Stephen A. Smith or Charlamagne Tha God, but when they are recognizing what works and what doesn't.
	When they are recognizing what Trump brought and the movement that he started and began and how it is not all about personal glorification, but about American exceptionalism and putting America first.
	When they start recognizing and talking about it, I think something is happening.
	Do you feel a shift?
	Not just because Trump won, but because of what Mark Zuckerberg is doing.
	I think there's a shift in this country and it could be huge.
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	sense.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I'm picturing Jacqueline Smith, not Farrah.
	Sorry.
	Anybody else who's hearing that music and picturing the start of Charlie's Angels, I was always a Jacqueline Smith guy.
	Grown up.
	I don't know why.
	Everybody was all...
	Farrah was amazing too, but I was always a Jacqueline Smith.
	Welcome.
	Hour number two of...
	America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Bob France Live in Cleveland, Ohio.
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	The program here in Cleveland is Strictly Speaking with Bob France and all of the appropriate social medias you can find and link to on that webpage, strictlyspeaking.org.
	And I would certainly appreciate that.
	So we're still watching the coverage of the extraordinary catastrophic fires in Los Angeles County.
	Still don't know what touched them off, but we do know that they're spreading faster than anything has ever been seen because of extraordinary winds there.
	I don't have first-hand experience or knowledge of that, but you know who does?
	Jennifer Horne, because she's the co-host of The Morning Answer with Jen and Grant, CRNtalk.com, and on AM 870 and 590, The Answer.
	She is in Southern California and can speak to it much more personally.
	Jen, thanks for the time.
	How are you?
	Well, I'm a little annoyed you're not a blonde person because, you know, Farrah would obviously be, I'm in the blonde camp, but okay, fine.
	Jacqueline Smith was beautiful, too.
	I'm doing okay.
	A little frazzled, a little windblown, quite literally, but we're doing okay.
	It's a tough time in Southern California.
	It's one of the worst fire and wind events that I have seen in my lifetime, and I was born and raised here.
	You know, you look at a story like this and you see all of the extraordinary video of one structure after another being, you know, like a domino effect with the winds blowing the flames and it's spreading so fast and you think to yourself, what can anybody do?
	Because there are certain things that you should be able to do that you cannot do because of those winds.
	They can't get choppers in the air because they can't be dropping, you know, drop those fire retardant chemicals because the choppers can't fly in 100 mile an hour gusts and 65 mile an hour gusts.
	On our sustained winds and so forth.
	But Jen, there are things that can be done.
	There are things that have not been done.
	And we need to talk about the infrastructure there in Los Angeles and in Los Angeles County.
	Because as you were telling us off the air, there are fire hydrants that are empty.
	There's no water.
	How on earth can that possibly be?
	We pay so much to live here, and we're the fifth largest economy on the planet, yet it feels like for many of us, we're living in a third world country.
	And first, let's just talk about what's happening right now.
	This wind event, and I call it a wind event because we're talking about up to 100 mile per hour winds.
	That's obviously not in the control of the government, and these winds seem to be blowing like a cyclone.
	So instead of going to the western direction or northwest, they're going in circles, which is...
	Provided quite the problem because those embers can stay lit and they can fly for about a mile in every direction before they're snuffed out.
	So you think about how that spreads a fire and you see the problem that we're in.
	So that's some of the stuff that's not controllable.
	But what is controllable?
	Our mayor, Karen Bass, is in Ghana today and a lot of people are upset that she's in Ghana.
	I'm not.
	I wish she would move to Ghana and stay there and get out of Los Angeles because...
	I'm not mad she's traveling.
	I'm mad that she has provided us really no leadership when it comes to fire.
	First of all...
	Our fire chief is very proud to tell you she's the first lesbian woman who is in charge of a fire department, I believe.
	I don't know.
	Congratulations, check the box, but now the city is burning.
	So the LA Fire Department is very focused on DEI and not as focused on fire management.
	We have had Gavin Newsom, the LA Fire Department, and the Mayor Karen Bass all kind of being run by environmentalists.
	And those people have put the pressure on our elected officials not to go and conduct forest management, which you may remember President Trump has been talking about this since, I think, 2018 and 2019 when we had a lot of wildfires.
	And they don't want to do that because they're afraid that the heavy equipment is going to go in there and trample the precious spine flower or whatever it is that they're trying to protect.
	So fire management has been a failure.
	This water problem, the fact that firefighters are putting their own lives at risk To go into these dangerous situations and hook up their hose And find that there's no water there This is a huge problem, not only from the city But apparently someone forgot to refill the reservoirs The reservoirs went empty And then all of the power using all of the hoses all at once And the energy issues, the power issues Have created a huge nightmare for the firefighters So when people talk about Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom
	They're going to be looking to talk about what a great job they did in combating these fires.
	They're the ones who own these problems because many of them stem from their environmental initiatives and their DEI woke initiatives.
	And, Bob, quickly, President Trump today put out a truth that he talked about the water that's being mismanaged in California, which has been a problem not only for fires but for our farmers.
	And what's happening is that when the rain comes, we don't have a way to capture it, number one.
	Arizona does a great job.
	They're a desert, but Phoenix will be able to put the water inside the ground they have in the ground.
	Coffers, basically, reservoirs that hold the water.
	We don't have that.
	So our water goes off into the ocean.
	The water we do capture, they've released hundreds of thousands, I'd say millions of gallons of fresh water into the ocean to save the delta smelt, which is literally like an anchovy.
	And look, I'm all about preserving the environment.
	Conservatives are supposed to conserve.
	I get that.
	But I think what we see is that a group of elected leaders that we have in charge, we call it the liberal inferno that's burning around here.
	Has created all of these problems.
	And when real emergencies break out, the people are suffering.
	People are losing their homes.
	And we've even had a few people lose their lives so far.
	That is, yeah, you're right.
	I think two deaths so far.
	Several really, really severe injuries, they have said.
	What you're talking about right now is extraordinarily important there.
	Because I started the show by saying there's no politics in this.
	Let's just talk about the horrific nature of this.
	The natural disaster with respect to the winds.
	Spreading the flames far and wide and everything else that you're talking about.
	But you know what?
	We have to assign accountability.
	We do have to assign blame if there are things that could be done to make this less severe, less catastrophic.
	And that's exactly what you're talking about.
	I don't think that's playing politics.
	I think that's whoever the leadership is.
	If they are not preparing in every way that they can to, you know, combat these types of things, you know, to look ahead and see what the eventualities are.
	And like you said, why are there no reservoirs or basins or whatever containers?
	Why isn't there a system of using the ocean water?
	Why are the fire hydrants empty?
	Why haven't they managed the forestry that you're talking about?
	Because they're more concerned with environmental impact than they are with human beings.
	So you know what?
	There is something to be said here.
	And President Trump said it back in 2019. We played a clip.
	The Democrats are more concerned with their climate initiatives than they are human lives.
	This is a Democrat, a California Democrat problem.
	Yeah, and I absolutely agree with the president.
	And not only that, but then you look at the power lines that are still above ground in much of the state of California.
	And the reason that we actually have to just shut everybody's power off in preparation for a wind event like this one is because they don't trust that the infrastructure can withstand it, that it won't spark a fire.
	And that's because the power companies have been tasked with keeping up with these.
	Environmental initiatives rather than actually hardening the infrastructure.
	So again, they only have a certain amount of money and they have to have their list of priorities.
	And Bob, something that people haven't talked about yet, but you're going to hear about it in the next few days.
	I saw a man crying because he lost his home and he didn't have fire insurance on that property.
	And think about how much of our finances, all of us, have our financial well-being tied up in the property that we own.
	And when that's gone, it wipes us out.
	Right now in California, the fire and earthquake insurance companies are leaving the state because Gavin Newsom and the state legislature put on a cap on premiums.
	Because they hated the big, bad insurance companies.
	Well, with the cap on premiums, guess what happens?
	These insurance companies can't afford to stay in California.
	So just a couple of months ago, a huge slew of people lost their fire coverage because these insurance companies got out of California because they couldn't afford to operate.
	I cannot imagine.
	I mean, this is what's sinking in my gut.
	Obviously, human life first.
	But when I think about all these people who have lost their property and are not going to be able to recover from that, it's heart-wrenching.
	It is absolutely heart-wrenching to think about this recovery process for the people of Los Angeles.
	And you can't blame the insurance companies.
	You can't, because you're right.
	I mean, how can they afford to pay out multi-million dollar payouts all the time if the premiums are capped because of the policies?
	And I don't blame them.
	How could you possibly stay in business as an insurance company in a state that will not manage its forestry properly?
	President Trump, again, we had another clip we were playing earlier, Jen, of President Trump with Gavin Newsom from 2018. It was after one of the wildfires, and he was talking about how I think it was Finland and other countries know about forest floors and how they have to be cleared of all of that dry, dead fuel that is going to take wildfires and spread them so much more rapidly.
	Why is it that the Democrat Party doesn't get that?
	And why is it that Democrat leaders don't understand why insurance companies cannot possibly stay in business if that's the case?
	Their priorities are in the wrong spot.
	And again, when you get these leaders that are more focused on woke initiatives, on environmental initiatives, and on DEI, a lot of stuff falls by the wayside.
	We had several firefighters and law enforcement officers who were fired because they wouldn't take the COVID vaccine, who I'm sure would be welcome back today.
	They're literally putting the phone number out for any firefighter who is in Los Angeles now to go and volunteer.
	And this is the first time in 20 years that has happened.
	So you've got a shortage of everything.
	The misprioritization of what really needs to be going on.
	And you find out that what they really should be concentrating on.
	And as someone who's lived here my whole life, I can remember as a kid, the fire department would come door to door.
	They would knock on my mom's door and they would try to work on brush abatement because we lived in the foothills.
	That is not happening anymore, at least not in her neighborhood.
	We need to get back to that.
	Jennifer Horne, I really appreciate you coming on and telling us the story.
	Hopefully you.
	And we're praying for everybody in Southern California right now that is affected by this.
	Those who have lost loved ones and those who are very injured.
	And we're seeing now some 400,000 without power as well.
	Our thoughts and prayers with all of them.
	Bob Francine for Dr. Gorka.
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	Yeah, let us do exactly that.
	Thank you, Dr. G, 20 minutes after the hour.
	Appreciate you being with us.
	Thanks to Jen Horne.
	You know, we talked to Jen just a little bit off the air when we wrapped up that conversation, and it's a little closer.
	I said, hey, Jen, anybody that you're friends with, family, anybody else that you're really close with impacted by this?
	And she said, yeah, she's had some friends that have had to evacuate, and she has fires burning on either side of her location there in Southern California.
	And depending on the way the winds blow, you know, the fire perhaps might impact and force an evacuation.
	It's about a mile off thus far.
	She said hopefully it stays that way, but it depends on which direction the winds blow.
	And she may end up having to evacuate herself as well.
	So it's really quite an astounding thing.
	And I'll say to her the same thing I said about everybody else.
	Prayers are with her and prayers are with everybody.
	She will keep us posted on whether or not she has to evacuate or deal with anything much more severe than that already.
	I want to pivot just a little bit now, and we'll keep you up to date on the fire situation out in L.A. as more information becomes available on that situation.
	But I want to pivot just to something that happened yesterday in Congress.
	With the 119th Congress underway, guess what?
	There was an important vote that was taken yesterday, one that probably should have been taken a long time ago, and that is the Lake and Riley Act.
	Congress finally passed the Lake and Riley Act.
	This is something that I'm stunned was even...
	Remotely objectionable for anybody, even radical leftists, but of course it was.
	This act mandates the detention of illegal aliens who are charged with theft-related crimes in the United States.
	Criminal aliens who are here being criminals for more than just, obviously, breaking into the country without permission or staying after they were supposed to have left without permission.
	We're talking about other criminal acts.
	So what this does...
	It mandates the detention of these individuals.
	It would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to include crimes such as burglary, theft, larceny, and shoplifting under its mandatory detention provisions.
	And it mandates that DHS, Department of Homeland Security, detain migrants charged with these offenses.
	If passed, the bill would empower state attorneys general to bring in action.
	Against the Secretary of Homeland Security to obtain appropriate injunctive relief if a migrant commits one of these crimes against a resident.
	Well, guess what?
	No-brainer, right?
	Criminal, illegal aliens.
	Everybody says, oh, you know, I shouldn't say.
	The left, oh, these illegal aliens are here.
	They're just here for a better life.
	They're here seeking asylum.
	They're here seeking asylum from persecution, you know, in their home countries.
	And that's all they want.
	And they're just here for a better life.
	Well, when they come here and they start committing crimes, that narrative goes up in smoke.
	Again, pardon the pun.
	That narrative is out the window.
	It should be a no-brainer.
	If they're criminal aliens, get rid of them, right?
	Democrats should be able to agree with us.
	Well, except for the 159 Democrats that voted against the Lake and Riley Act.
	And by the way, it's named after, of course, the Georgie nursing student who was brutalized in such a horrific way.
	The one that Joe Biden didn't know her name called her Lincoln.
	Lake and Riley, her name is on this act.
	159 Democrats voted against this common sense bill to get rid of illegal aliens who are criminals in other ways beyond just being in this country illegally.
	Well, John Fetterman, Senator John Fetterman, who has somehow, someway, found the fountain of sanity.
	And again, I'm going to have to go into this a little bit more.
	Another Democrat.
	I've been talking about Democrats in the media sphere.
	People like Charlemagne, we played before, we played that clip from Stephen A. Smith.
	There are Democrats who are just, they're not being red-pilled, but they are just having their eyes open, maybe for the first time in their political, if not their adult lives.
	To the point where they're saying things where, you know, you're just like, is there something happening here?
	Mark Zuckerberg, which we can talk about a little bit more too with yesterday's announcement about Facebook.
	Is there something happening here where liberalism or radical leftism is dying?
	And dying a very, very deliberate death.
	I'm not going to overstate it and say we're just going to be a conservative nation, but I'm just telling you there's some things happening here.
	John Fetterman is an example of that.
	He was as radical of a leftist senator as you can imagine when he was running for Senate and when he beat Dr. Oz and certainly took over.
	And of course his own impairment because of his stroke and situations involving his speech certainly made that a little bit difficult to watch.
	But ever since he's recovered, he is saying more and more sensible and reasonable things that makes me think, again, there's something happening here.
	But anyway, here's John Fetterman talking about the Democrats in the Senate and whether or not they will vote for the Lake and Riley Act that was just passed by the House.
	Cut number.
	And now if you're here illegally and you're committing crimes and those things, I don't know why anybody thinks that it's controversial that they all need to go.
	Do you think that this was one of, if not the biggest issue for this election?
	Well, I think if we can't, you know, there's 47 of us in the Senate, and if we can't pull up with seven votes, if we can't get at least seven out of 47, if we can't, then that's the reason why we lost.
	That's one of them.
	That's one of why we lost, in part.
	If we can't come up with seven votes out of our 47 that we have in the Senate to support and pass this, Then that's why we lost.
	They're recognizing, they're understanding.
	As Stephen A said before, wokeness is why we lost.
	Trans rights is why we lost.
	This cultural shift to radicalism is why we lost.
	John Fetterman talking about simple, common-sense legislation, an illegal alien commits a crime in his country, stealing or whatever.
	That means they're going to commit more crimes, get rid of them right now, deport them.
	And if we can't come together and pull together 7 out of 47 notes for something like that to make this happen, then that is why we lost.
	They're starting to realize and understand this.
	I want to, in fact...
	I want to add to the conversation yesterday about Mark Zuckerberg and this shift in Facebook.
	I put on my webpage yesterday on strictlyspeaking.org, I put a poll question up there saying, do you believe Mark Zuckerberg?
	My first blush reaction is, yeah, right.
	This is a guy, and I saw a headline today, somebody just kind of put a meme together, a meme headline, that said, the guy that said Facebook wasn't censoring people now says Facebook is going to stop censoring people.
	And that's true, because they denied it.
	They denied it for a long, long time that they were doing anything of the sort.
	And now we have decided to go back to our roots.
	And we're going to, and all the things, we played the clips yesterday.
	All the things that he said about how, you know, human fact-checkers, their political bias can be in play here.
	So we're going to get rid of human fact-checkers.
	We're going to allow the community to provide community notes to question things that may be, you know, true or not true, or at least questionable, and on and on down the line.
	And people are saying, do you believe Mark Zuckerberg?
	I voted in my own poll.
	No, I don't.
	I don't, because of the obvious history here that we have.
	But somebody messaged me yesterday with something that I found interesting, and maybe you do too.
	Mark Zuckerberg's increased involvement in MMA, meaning jujitsu, cage fighting, and so on and so forth.
	He has been training with MMA fighters for some time now.
	And I wonder if I could even pull up the text message.
	Or actually, it was a Twitter direct message here.
	Well, I might be short on timing.
	I'll save this for the other side of the break here.
	But Mark Zuckerberg is training with people who, generally speaking, are involved in an environment where liberalism and leftism does not live.
	Maybe Mark Zuckerberg really is being red-pilled, and maybe that's another example of the shift we're talking about.
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	We were just having, Jeff and Eric and I, just having a really, really interesting conversation.
	A little bit of a brouhaha over the message that I was going to read to you last segment, but ran out of time.
	And I'm going to read it to you now, because I'm talking about the perceived shift.
	That I'm hearing in a lot of, you know, relatively, not notorious in a negative way, but people with a lot of notoriety, famous people or well-known people, public figures, who are liberal in nature or leftist in nature, who are somehow finding their way into conservative positions.
	And I just feel like there are enough of them.
	You know, more than than you would think that maybe there is a true shift happening here.
	And that maybe the election was a symptom of that.
	It's not because of the election, but the election might have been a symptom of this shift away from leftism, wokeism, communism, you know, Marxism, and all of the other things that have been growing, you know, in the four years of the Biden administration.
	So I think this might be more than just the traditional Swing of the pendulum.
	When it goes too far one way, it comes back, you know, sometimes just as far the other way.
	We've talked about this before.
	Everybody knows about this.
	I think there's something more to it in that.
	There's personal growth and development happening in people, some of these individuals that I've been playing the clips of.
	So it harkens back to yesterday's conversation about Mark Zuckerberg.
	The CEO met a Facebook.
	Excuse me, CEO of Meta and Facebook and Instagram.
	Meta is the company that owns Instagram and Facebook.
	So Mark Zuckerberg, who of course was, you know, very well known for a number of things, you know, in terms of leftist policies, in terms of leftist beliefs, censoring and shutting down conservative voices on social media.
	His social media platforms was, you know, a big part of that.
	But also playing a role in the 2020 election.
	With the use of Zuckerbucks, as they are sometimes known, which helped tip the scales away from Donald Trump, the incoming president, and toward Joe Biden.
	And a lot of people know what happened with that.
	But he is not the same person today, say some people, than he was four years ago.
	Something is happening with that dude, too, in that maybe his little pivot in his shift, in the promise that he made yesterday on Facebook.
	In his video in which he said he's going to get rid of the human fact checkers, we're going to restore free speech rights, making sure every voice can be heard, kind of the way they do it on TwitterX with Elon.
	And so I want to read this message I got from my friend Gary, who's an active conservative in a Northeast Ohio conservative club, who sent this to me yesterday.
	By the way, I heard you talk about Zuck, and I think his views have changed.
	And I told friends a while ago, you watch him end up being as conservative.
	Why?
	You might laugh.
	But I had read that he's really into MMA now, personally.
	He's training daily with fighters.
	I told my buddies, I've never in my life heard of some grizzled dude with cauliflower ears who is a liberal blank.
	Never.
	If Zuck is surrounded by men like this, And getting his face ground into the mat and stretched every day, he's going to turn into a conservative.
	Fighters just have a no bull blank, no excuses, don't be soft mentality.
	And he's going to get masculine and conservative.
	And so far, I think I might be right.
	I think getting his A kicked by grown men who are coaching him has changed his mentality.
	And I didn't know how to respond to my friend.
	That's a very interesting observation.
	It may have some merit.
	And the more I think about it, the more true I think it may be.
	Because he was, and we knew that he was training in MMA back, what was it, a year ago?
	How long ago was it?
	A year or two years ago, whatever it was, there was supposed to be this showdown with Elon Musk.
	They're going to have a jiu-jitsu mask.
	Elon Musk is a soft, pudgy tech giant.
	He's not an athlete in any way, shape, or form.
	It was always a joke.
	But Mark Zuckerberg, we knew then and learned that he was training in jiu-jitsu and MMA. And I'll tell you what.
	I think he's right.
	And I don't think we're going to be able to get into this segment here.
	But I'm going to ask Eric to tell everybody in a moment what he said to me off the air.
	He completely disagrees.
	But Jeff...
	Harbaugh is all about it and says that there may be something very seriously to this for another reason.
	So we're going to get their opinions here in just a moment after this break.
	I want yours as well.
	Do you think there is a movement in this country that is turning leftist men into conservatives or at least opening their eyes to conservatism?
	Do you think it's happening?
	I'm giving you several examples and I want to know how you feel about it.
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	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	A little echo in the bunny men there for you.
	Coming back, solid stuff.
	It's 43 minutes after the hour.
	That counts 17 minutes before the top of the hour.
	Thanks for being with us.
	Listen, if you're on hold to talk about the wildfires and the destruction in California, I do see you there.
	I'm not ignoring you, I promise.
	But I will ask you to indulge me a little bit in this conversation about whether or not there is a shift among particularly left-wing males.
	I'm starting to get their eyes open just a little bit to maybe the error of their ways because I'm starting to hear more and more of them talk about how Trump was right and about how the Trump and the MAGA movement and everything else is much more...
	You know, is much more reasonable than some of their left wing positions.
	I talked about Charlemagne.
	I talked about Stephen A. Smith.
	And now we're talking about Mark Zuckerberg from yesterday.
	So I just read you the comments from my friend who said that it's Mark Zuckerberg's involvement in MMA. That is, and not just as a fan, but as a participant, that is leading to some of his maybe real conservative shift.
	Not just a fake thing, but it may be real.
	Eric Lundrum, one of our producers, said to me as soon as I said that off the air, no way, no way.
	And you cited, Eric, a few individuals that explain why you don't buy it.
	Tell us about that.
	Now, generally, I can see the idea that becoming more masculine, you know, getting involved in MMA can lead to becoming more conservative, but it's not a guarantee there are exceptions to the rule.
	I cited the examples of, among others, Dave Bautista, John Cena, and Dwayne The Rock Johnson, who are still left-wing, even though they're big, you know, hulking alpha males, wrestlers, etc., etc.
	You then made the point in response to that that all three of them have since gone Hollywood.
	They are actors as well, you know, so maybe that's more the Hollywood getting to them than the MMA, you know, regime and whatnot, the physical fitness regime.
	And that's a good point.
	Well, it's not just physical fitness.
	By the way, it's not just physical fitness.
	It's not like just they're lifting weights.
	Mark Zuckerberg is lifting weights and becoming buff.
	It's more than that.
	There is a lifestyle that is involved when you're talking about MMA, when you're learning to fight MMA, when you're training to fight MMA, and when you're training with other fighters.
	It's more than just...
	I want to make sure, you know, the point that I think my friend was making here is about the lifestyle of these guys and not Hollywood versions of them, like you just mentioned with some of those pro wrestlers.
	So, you know...
	It's much more than just, you know, hey, they're doing physical fitness things, and therefore they're more masculine, therefore they're conservative.
	Yeah, there are masculine left-wingers.
	And again, the three that you just mentioned are Hollywood stars.
	They've been in tons of movies, all three of them, and they're making a ton of money that way.
	And I think, if anything, they're probably much more...
	Inclined to lean left because that's where their new home is, which is Hollywood, than in the gyms, than in the cages, in the octagons, and so on and so forth.
	So Jeff Harbaugh, Jeff, you chimed in and you had another perspective on this and you disagreed with Eric.
	Tell us what your thoughts are.
	Well, I disagree with you.
	I never thought that Zuckerberg, he was always left a liberal.
	But there's a difference between a lib and then your hardcore liberal that's going to do everything you can to shut people down and censorship.
	I've always felt like that he was kind of enforced by the government with regulations and stuff.
	Because let's face it, it's a monopoly.
	If the Democrats really wanted to break them up, they could.
	And I remember it was, I think it was 27, 8...
	2017 or 2018, the whole Cambridge analytics, they brought him in for the hearings.
	Remember, Russia hacked the election and they used Facebook through it.
	He was so scared afterwards, he was literally begging, saying, I want my industry regulated.
	Who wants your industry regulated by the federal government?
	He was definitely afraid, and I think he was forced to do all the things that he did with the censorship.
	I think there's a lot of that.
	There's a lot of truth to that.
	And you know what?
	When he made his little video yesterday in which you talked about how we're going to reopen Facebook to free speech and meta to free speech and so forth, and we're going to get back to our roots, blah, blah, blah.
	I didn't buy the whole roots thing because I agree with you.
	But he threw a lot of shade at the government.
	He threw a lot of shade at Joe Biden and the Biden administration when he talked about how some of the things that they did that they were kind of forced to do.
	He didn't say it in those words, but he was basically saying we were coerced to do a lot of things that we did.
	And now, also praising President Trump, said now that President Trump is coming in, you know, we want to work closely with him.
	We want to, you know, support the First Amendment and so on and so forth.
	In other words, they've read the tea leaves or he has read the tea leaves and said, you know, this is the better way.
	And maybe some of that was driven by, like we're discussing here, you know, this new lifestyle of his, one where he is a grinder.
	And Jeff, what did you say about his physical appearance?
	If you look at that video yesterday, you look at his forearms and mostly the face structure.
	I'm not going to say definitely.
	There's a pretty good chance to me, especially with doing the MMA, it looks like he's on testosterone.
	The face has changed.
	The forearms have changed.
	He's totally different than he was five or ten years ago.
	Yeah.
	He looks very, very different, and I think it's more in tune with this message that he delivered.
	And again, I'm not saying this is all 100%.
	There's no guarantee.
	And I'm not saying that, you know, he's still not going to be a weenie when it comes to Facebook, when it comes to banning certain things or shadow banning and so on and so forth.
	I'm not.
	But if there is a shift, this might be a good reason for it.
	Eric, you want to respond?
	There's the second point that I made too, which I think is another reason why even if he may be shifting more to the right, he will only go as far right or as soft right as his wife will let him.
	We know that he and his wife together run that foundation, and she is much more outspoken lefty than he is, and they are still married.
	They appear to still very much be happily married together, so I imagine there's some conversations going on between the two of them, and he's maybe saying, okay, I'll go only this.
	Far to the right, and then no further.
	Otherwise, there would be some problems there, I imagine, because she is still very, very firmly opposed to President Trump and the America First agenda.
	Yeah, no, I don't disagree with that part about her, but, you know, you're basically saying he will only go as far to the right as she will let him.
	How do you know it's not the other way around?
	How do you know he's like, hey, look, I'm done with that stuff.
	I'm doing my thing.
	You know, yeah, we still run our foundation, but I'm doing my thing.
	Because, you know what?
	Again, if Jeff is right about the testosterone, and he may very well be, and we're not talking about, you know, PEDs to the level of, you know, illegal steroids and cheating and so forth, and that's right.
	But if it's just, you know, if there's been a testosterone boost.
	It does kind of lead to a little bit more aggression, a little bit more masculinity, a little bit more of what we're talking about here that may have him say to his wife, you know what?
	Hey, I'm not trying to change you, but you're not going to change me here.
	This is what I think now.
	And this is the way I'm going to run Meta.
	You know, they may be partners in their foundations and everything else, but he is running things his way.
	So it's a really, really fascinating, I think it's a fascinating conversation to see what is real about his speech yesterday or his video, his commitment to changing the way.
	Meta is run and how much of it is just, you know.
	Like I said, also in discussing this yesterday, there's got to be a financial benefit in this for him as well.
	He has to be worried about the company because every tech giant in America, it would appear, if not beyond, is coming to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring.
	They recognize the power that President Trump has over everything, I suppose, but certainly even over their industries.
	And that's why you've got the CEOs of Apple.
	Obviously, Elon is on board.
	Who else?
	There are a number of others.
	I can't remember all of their names now, but individuals who have basically bent the knee and said, yeah, we want to work with President Trump because he believes in free speech and their platforms are going to have to either adapt or die.
	And maybe Mark Zuckerberg realizes that too.
	If you've got thoughts on it, hit us up at 833-333-GORCA.
	We'll be back.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Yeah, play it.
	Play it.
	We're going to rock it.
	Mark Zuckerberg might be rocking it now as a true believer in Americana, in America first, and maybe even in conservative.
	Who knows?
	We've come to a conclusion here, or at least Jeff has.
	We'll believe that he's really fully converted when we start seeing videos of him shooting guns.
	When he starts shooting guns and championing the Second Amendment, then we'll know for sure.
	And you know what?
	Don't put it past him.
	I would not be surprised if he's out there with some of his MMA buddies and they're loading guns a hell of a lot better than Tim Walz did and getting some shots off.
	When that happens, then we'll know for sure.
	I'm still very skeptical, but I will tell you that my eyes were opened a little bit by the email from my friend.
	Actually, it was a direct message on Twitter from my friend who said, you know, These MMA guys are for real.
	Not the Sina's and the Rocks and all these guys who went into Hollywood.
	No, we're talking about the guys who live the life.
	They live the grind.
	They live on the mats.
	They live in the gym.
	And they are the ones, every time Donald Trump walks into an arena, what do they do?
	Bow to him.
	They pay homage to Donald J. Trump.
	I think that's the reality of the MMA world, and that's what Mark Zuckerberg is in right now.
	So maybe, just maybe, that is what's rubbing off on him.
	Dave is in Phoenix, Arizona, on Line 3. Dave, what are your thoughts on Zuckerberg and his MMA leanings?
	Well, this is not Dave, it's Steve.
	Oh, Steve, I'm sorry, my screen says Dave.
	My bad, go ahead.
	That's quite all right.
	I'm out in the desert, so it may not have come in clear.
	What I've learned in managing employees over the years is it takes a significant life event for them to change their behaviors.
	I don't think Zuckerberg's doing anything different than CYA. He knows where the movement in this country is going, and he's playing to that side.
	For people like those on The View, they too are just covering CYA. I think if their paycheck was affected, they would turn in a split second.
	So I don't buy it either way.
	I think they're just looking out for their best interests.
	You could very well be right.
	You absolutely could be.
	And I appreciate your phone call.
	Thanks for the opinion on that.
	I don't know for sure.
	And you're right, maybe it is CYA. Maybe he is looking at some different things.
	But I think there is a movement.
	In fact, let me get a quick one in.
	I've got 45 seconds to get Stephen in in Cherry Hill.
	Stephen on line four, because I want to echo what you were about to say.
	Go ahead, Stephen.
	Yeah, Bob, I think in general, I don't know anything about Zuckerberg, and I could be right, CYA, but there's definitely going on a big, I think it's a spiritual dimension where men are looking for tougher environments to prove themselves.
	There have been a lot of articles about men joining more traditional churches, just trying to get rid of this, a bit of a backlash against, you know, in the family sitcom, the stupid dad kind of thing.
	That's run its course.
	People are done with that.
	They realize you need strong men, you need strong fathers, Hey, look, Zuckerberg's got three kids.
	If he's going on that path, good for him.
	But I think if he's tapping into something definitely deeper going on throughout the country, maybe even the whole world.
	That is a fantastic observation.
	I completely concur.
	I was hoping that's what you were going to say.
	Thank you for the call.
	I will follow up on that after the top of the hour break here.
	I'm Bob France, sitting in for Dr. G. While you're in the break, visit strictlyspeaking.org and follow me, would you?
	We'll be back.
	All right, Dr. G, thank you so much.
	Hour 3 is underway.
	It's five minutes past the hour.
	And I want to follow up.
	And thank you, by the way, for everybody who is all a part of America First welcoming me in for these few days here before the show transitions into the Hugh Hewitt Show in the afternoon.
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	So I want to follow up on a conversation we were having at the end of the break, at the end of the last hour, I should say, before the break.
	Stephen in Cherry Hill called to say that he thinks that what's happening here in America right now, there is a shift.
	There is a shift.
	Among young men turning to the right.
	And I wanted to tell him how excited I was to hear him bring that up because I wanted to make sure I wasn't the only one who felt that way.
	And I'm going to give a personal story as a reason why.
	Just this Christmas, hard to believe Christmas is now, what, 13, 14 days ago, hard to believe, two weeks ago.
	Yeah, two weeks ago today, in fact.
	Came and went very, very quickly.
	But this Christmas season...
	My wife asked the kids, my daughter's a 23-year-old and my son's a 21, asked the kids, like they did when they were 6 and 4, you know, what they wanted for Christmas, and asked for lists.
	And from their respective locations in college, they sent them.
	And my wife instantly messaged me and said, our son just sent his list.
	I said, okay.
	You want to know what the number one item on it was?
	No, take that back.
	It wasn't number one.
	It wasn't number one.
	It was the number three item, she said.
	I said, okay, what?
	And she said, a basic black Bible.
	I said, wait a minute, what?
	My 21-year-old college football-playing son wants a Bible for Christmas?
	What's that all about?
	And it really, really just had me wondering what's going on here.
	And then I did an interview on my...
	I did an interview with a gentleman by the name of Dr. Everett Piper, and he is a former president of Oklahoma Wesleyan University who wrote a fantastic book.
	About young snowflakes back in like 2015, 16, somewhere like that.
	There were too many kids at his university complaining about this offense or that offense or this grievance or that grievance.
	And he wrote a letter to the students that basically said, this is an institution of higher learning.
	This is not a daycare.
	In other words, quit crying and toughen up and do what's got to be done.
	Well, it was so popular, it went viral.
	It was picked up by countless publications and newspapers across the country.
	He decided to write a book about it, and he did.
	I've been interviewing him on the radio ever since, once a week.
	So I interviewed Dr. Piper, and he had written a column about the fact that one of the most popular, top-selling books right now in America leading into this past Christmas season was the Bible.
	It's flying off the shelves.
	And the purchasers, according to the article and his research, the number one purchaser was young males.
	And I thought, you've got to be kidding me.
	I thought there was something weird going on with just my son, as it turns out.
	Something weird going on with the young males.
	Suddenly they're under the Bible.
	And I don't know why.
	But I'm bringing this together now with this Zuckerberg conversation.
	And not that he's a young Gen Z-er.
	I guess he'd be a millennial.
	But I'm looking at this conversation about males, youngish males.
	Becoming more conservative and even leaving leftism, leaving liberalism to get there.
	And I'm starting to see what Stephen and Sherry Hill just brought up.
	I think it's true, despite the fact that there is a concerted effort to turn these young Gen Z males into girls.
	Sorry, it is what it is, the trans movement it is, and to turn young Gen Z girls into males.
	And this whole entire woke...
	Indoctrination, this woke mind virus that is being pushed on these kids, not just in college, not just in high school, not even just in junior high school anymore, but literally in the primary grades, quite literally in the preschool grades before kindergarten, they're trying to woke these kids.
	We know that.
	So to me, that's what blew me away so much with the results of the November 5th election.
	It wasn't just that Donald Trump won.
	It was amazing.
	But it was with Gen Z. Gen Zers came out in big numbers for Donald J. Trump.
	And they came out for conservatism.
	They came out for anti-wokeism.
	They came out for anti-CRT. They came out for anti-cultural Marxism.
	They came out for Americanism.
	They did in a huge way.
	And I was blown away by that because these young kids...
	Particularly the young males, they should have been running to the polls to vote for Kamala Harris because they have had so much indoctrination over the course of the last several years.
	In all of their schools, their teachers, their counselors, their coaches, the decorations of the rainbow flags everywhere and the CRT and the Black Lives Matter flags.
	They were supposed to just be a bunch of good little Marxists in training running to vote for the Marxist candidate.
	And instead, they came out for Trump.
	And it made me realize that...
	There is a pushback.
	There is a decided tilt to conservatism that is happening here, not because of, but in spite of, all of that leftism, all of that indoctrination, all of that brainwashing.
	They're pushing back against it very viscerally, and I think they're finding some strength in their numbers, because they're talking about it together.
	I interviewed a young woman, an author by the name of Isabel Brown.
	She wrote a book.
	And I don't know, maybe Dr. G talked to her too.
	Jeff or Eric, I don't know if you recall this or if that happened or not.
	Isabel wrote a book called The End of the Alphabet.
	How Gen Z will save the world.
	And I just thought, what is this?
	I interviewed her on my podcast.
	That is available on my webpage.
	When you look at the Strictly Speaking podcast.
	We did a good hour-long deep dive into her book.
	And I thought, what are you kidding me?
	Come on, you're going to have a fight here.
	And I fought with her and argued.
	It was really fascinating research that she did as to how Gen Z was going to become more conservative and save the world.
	I'll tell you what, I didn't buy a lot of it.
	I thought it was a great conversation.
	I enjoyed it.
	I enjoyed her.
	But I'll tell you something, I had no belief that it was going to happen until November 5th happened.
	And guess what?
	Gen Z came out and saved the world.
	Gen Z came out in big numbers, leaning to the right despite the indoctrination.
	And maybe because of the indoctrination, insofar as there was almost a subconscious pushback against it.
	It wasn't something that maybe they were just like, I'll show them.
	They want me to do this.
	I'm going to do the opposite.
	It was more just they were getting pushed so far by so many online influencers in classroom and in school building and in club influencers and so forth.
	So many of these people trying to push this wokeness on them that their internal, dare I say it, their souls.
	Maybe their souls.
	Subconsciously drove them to push back against that and said no.
	And maybe that's what's happening to these young males right now that Stephen was just talking about in that call.
	And in the discussion and the debate over somebody like Zuckerberg.
	There is, I think, a pivot and a shift.
	And I think it's happening mostly to males.
	And I'm not saying that the left is just going to throw up the white flag of surrender.
	They won't.
	I'm not saying it's over.
	But I'm just saying that there's a shift here that is real that's decided.
	It's not accidental.
	It may be subconscious and accidental in each individual, but collectively it is a decided shift, I think, that is happening here.
	And Donald Trump played a huge role in it, but so did so many others.
	People like Charlie Kirk with Turning Point USA, people who organize young people, reach out to them, trying to help them navigate the waters of educational America today, indoctrinational America today, and so on and so forth.
	And I think it's...
	Like I said, when my son said I want a Bible for Christmas, I was simply blown away by that.
	And I think it's a symptom.
	I do.
	Okay, let's go to Todd, who's calling us from Atlanta.
	Todd, got some thoughts on Zuckerberg.
	Go ahead, Todd.
	Yeah, I think you're right.
	He realized when the FBI strong-armed him, you know, I think he got a taste of what he's up against.
	And he's also had time to see that...
	The lies about COVID and ivermectin, the lies about Joe Biden's mental acuity.
	He's had time to see all the lies about everything that the left has been perpetrating, and that he was involved in censoring these doctors that were persecuted for curing people.
	He's had time to see the Hamas Nazis on college campuses demanding the death of Jews, and he's a Jew himself.
	And so are his kids.
	So maybe that's shaking him up.
	You know, he's seen October 7th, and he's seen what's been going on.
	I think all of those are possibilities.
	Yeah, there may be a variety, and thank you for the call, a variety of things that have played a role in his, you know, seismic shift, if you will, if it's real.
	If it's real, and if this isn't just a matter of, hey, we're going to make more money, we don't want to tick off the new administration, they're going to come down.
	If it's a real shift, there are a lot of reasons, and you may have just hit on some of them.
	Coming up, after the break, we're going to go inside a D.C. gulag.
	Not kidding, not joking, as Joe Biden would say.
	Political prisoner Jake Lang is in a D.C. gulag.
	And we're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	We're going to.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Dr. G, a little earlier today...
	I had an opportunity to talk with Jake Lang.
	Jake Lang is a political prisoner from January 6, 2021. He has spent nearly four years in a gulag in Washington, D.C. He has spent over 900 days in solitary confinement.
	He took a 15-minute call he was able to get as part of his imprisonment to speak with me, to tell me what's really going on as he faces, hopefully, a pardon from President Trump.
	Please listen.
	God bless you, sir.
	I'm hanging tough.
	We've got 12 days left.
	Uh, and behind me is 1,450 days already in the gulag without a trial, but 12 days left till president Trump, um, is sent by father God himself to deliver the Jan six political hostages from this tyrannical oppressive situation.
	Well, that's exactly what you and every other J sixer who is being held is hoping for.
	Um, The news reports say he's going to pardon over 1,000 of the 1,600.
	How do you know whether you're part of the 1,000 or part of the 600?
	I have no idea.
	All I know is God did not take me this far just to take me this far.
	I believe that President Trump is going to be pardoning all of the Jan 6 political hostages.
	There will be no man left behind.
	We cannot live in an America where there are political prisoners that have been railroaded by a two-tiered persecution.
	Courtrooms in Washington, D.C. are slanted and biased, and that's just, I mean, a small way to describe them.
	It is impossible to get a fair trial, an insurmountable task here in D.C. if you are a Trump supporter, if you're a Republican, if you're a conservative, if you're a Christian, you are basically being brought to a witch hunt and being put on the stake.
	And it's impossible.
	President Trump has mentioned this himself, and so I don't think that there's a reality where he says nobody can get a fair trial in D.C., but 600 guys have to stay behind and run away in prison because you guys got fair trials, but everyone else didn't.
	It's an impossibility.
	He realizes the two-tiered nature of the justice system here and how conservatives are condemned before we even walk in the courtroom.
	Yeah, you know, Jake, I...
	President Trump has made it clear.
	He was asked a question yesterday by a reporter during his press conference if he would be pardoning anyone charged with violent crimes, not just trespassing crimes and so forth, but violent crimes on that day.
	And he did not indicate that he would not, that he would avoid that.
	He said there will be major pardons coming.
	So maybe that is the case.
	Jake, can you tell everybody...
	What your case is all about.
	I spent the last ten minutes before you called recounting what I could of your case.
	You were charged with taking a baseball bat to law enforcement officers.
	Some people hear that and say, well, hell, he deserves to be in prison.
	Can you give us the story?
	Well, of course.
	I mean, if that was the only part of the story that, you know, anybody heard, then, you know, that type of person does belong to be locked up.
	But that's not the story of January 6th.
	The story of January Sixers who have been charged with assault on police officers were there in self-defense.
	We were there as a static, peaceful crowd, you know, waving our flags and calling upon our congressmen to, you know, overturn this ridiculous stolen election to not certify it even.
	And we were attacked by the Capitol Police.
	They started to unleash a barrage of pepper ball bullets and tear gas and concussion grenades.
	And they stirred up a crowd into a frenzy.
	And then they bludgeoned us down with steel batons.
	They even murdered a woman virtually in my arms named Roseanne Boylan.
	She died trying to save her life.
	And I was pulling on this lifeless body that had been trampled by the Capitol Police and soaked with CS gas and tear gas.
	And she lost her life right there on the steps of the Capitol.
	And after that, after Roseanne Boylan died, me and a group of patriotic young men stood up and said, there will be no more deaths.
	There will be no more unarmed women killed on our watch.
	And so we basically set up a defensive line between the violent, merciless Capitol Police and the rest of the unarmed protesters and held them back from further advancing and killing any more American brothers and sisters of mine.
	it takes a very rigorous effort to hold back such a murderous, like, they're like jackboot stormtroopers that day.
	And that's how Julie Kelly describes them, as stormtroopers inside the West Terrace Tunnel.
	And they hurt me very seriously.
	I was shot with a rubber bullet and clubbed with a steel baton.
	And so I was defending my own life and defending the lives of third person, which are legally admissible claims in the courtroom.
	You know, we have a right to self-defense.
	in this country, no matter if it's from a police officer or a random thug on the street.
	If they're attacking us without cause and we're unarmed, we have a right to defend ourselves and grab whatever is at our disposal to defend yourself.
	And that would be a reasonable case to make in a reasonable courtroom.
	But as you pointed out, no one can get a fair trial in Washington, D.C. if they are a J6 defendant.
	In fact, Jake, and I don't know if you know this, but is there anyone who has been tried, any of your fellow J6ers who has been tried in Washington, D.C., who has been acquitted of the charges against them?
	them because I'm not aware of any.
	There is not any felony cases that have ended up in acquittal.
	There is one or two misdemeanors that ended up in acquittal for basically loophole reasonings, but that was not at a jury trial either.
	That was at a bench trial from the judges.
	And so in order to get our full constitutional right of a jury of our peers and not put our life in the hands of one person.
	You know, we have a right to be judged by a jury of our peers, an impartial jury of our peers.
	There has not been a single acquittal from a jury in Washington, D.C. In fact, it's all been the quickest jury decisions you've ever seen.
	They go back, they're delivering for 10 minutes, and then they come out on a case that took, you know, three weeks to try.
	The jury is going back and doing a 10-minute deliberation, and about nine of those minutes are spent getting coffee for themselves and going to the bathroom.
	These people already have it in their minds and hearts that anybody who supports Donald Trump is a domestic terrorist, because that's what they've been lied to about by the January 6th Select Committee, that farce that our own government did to paint our jury pools.
	And by the mainstream news media, they're calling us insurrectionists and lied about us.
	I mean, I'm in a prison block right now.
	I'm the only white man in a prison block of about 100 black men here.
	And almost all of them still believe that a police officer died on January 6th because they've been lied to, the inmates here, and everybody in Washington, D.C., thinking that we killed a police officer that day.
	So we've been smeared.
	Our characters have been destroyed.
	And that's why President Trump is taking it in his hands to do the right thing and to drop all the charges that are currently pending.
	Because if you know, I don't have a conviction on my record.
	I'm sitting here for four years without a trial.
	So my case needs to be dropped and all the other Jansixers that have already been convicted in a kangaroo court, their cases need to be pardoned immediately.
	Jake Lang, there are millions of patriots who are all around this country right now who are supporting you and all of the other prisoners, the political prisoners, and they want what you just described to happen.
	They want a pardon to happen.
	They want you to get out of there.
	But Jake, what happens if your name is not on a pardon list?
	What if there are separations?
	What if there is a group that is pardoned initially and then President Trump says we're going to do a case-by-case basis for everybody else and decide on those things?
	What happens to you then?
	The American people are extremely worried about us.
	And I think that there will be such a public outcry for President Trump if he doesn't pardon us all on day one and leave some of us behind that his administration will really be forced to take a greater look at.
	The reason behind, you know, why we all deserve to get pardons is because the persecutions and convictions are fruit of a poison tree.
	Let us not forget here today that January 6th was an entrapment and a setup by the FBI.
	I had over three dozen paid agents and actors in the crowd.
	Thank you.
	I'm Seb Gorka.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right.
	Thank you, Dr. G. We're going to get right back to the conclusion now of my interview with Jake Lang.
	If you missed the first part, Jake Lang is a...
	Political prisoner.
	A J6 defendant who has been kept for four years without a trial in a gulag in D.C. The conditions have been horrific, as he has been describing.
	Over 900 days in solitary confinement.
	Lack of access to a number of things, including his attorney.
	And now he is hoping for a pardon from President Trump, who has said he will pardon many of the J6 defendants.
	Here's the conclusion of the call that I got from Jake from his prison cell.
	A little bit earlier this morning.
	And here's what I'm wondering and here's what I'm hoping too.
	If indeed you have to go to a trial, if you don't get a pardon and you have to go to a trial and you are convicted, for crying out loud four years of solitary confinement, nearly four years of it, of solitary confinement, should be enough time served and you should be released automatically anyway.
	Do you have any hope that if you do have to go to trial that they'll say the punishment has already been meted out?
	Well, of course, because my trial is actually scheduled for February 3rd of this year here, coming up in one month.
	And so we will have a new DOJ, Pam Bondi.
	There will be the Acting Attorney General.
	There will be a new D.C. Attorney General.
	Matthew Graves stepped down.
	That man is a coward and destroyed the lives of 1,600 Americans and tens of thousands of their family members.
	And so we'll be going into this with a whole different set of rules to play by.
	It's insurmountable.
	The D.C. jury pool is always going to be vicious, bloodthirsty liberals who want to destroy my life.
	But at least the people on the other side of the bench are going to be more reasonable.
	I don't believe we're going to get there, though.
	It's almost like talking about an impossibility because I know from day one, Bob, God has put in my heart, your journey and this journey does not end with the swinging of a gavel and we can go to prison for 10 or 15 years.
	It ends when I tell you it ends, and it ends how I tell you it's going to end, and I knew it was always going to end in some type of extrajudicial manner as far as outside the courtroom.
	God was going to create a political path for our freedom, and he's done that with President Trump.
	I believe President Trump is acting coy right now and playing 5D chess, as people like to say, and he's just trying to make it so that the liberal news media doesn't have their heads roll off.
	We're warming people up to the idea, and I don't think any political hostage is going to be inside a prison cell on January 21st, 2025. I believe we're all going home.
	Whether it's commutations of sentences or clemency in the form of full pardons, everybody's going home.
	There's not going to be any man or woman left rotting in a cage that showed up to protest the stolen election on January 6, 2021.
	Well, Jake, we are going to hope and pray that that is exactly how this thing turns out, because it has been far too long that you guys have been suffering in torturous conditions, not only solitary confinement, but beatings.
	You have one minute left.
	So, Jake Lang, I'll give you the last 60 seconds on your call here.
	What message do you want to deliver to the people?
	Well, guys, keep on praying for our deliverance here.
	I also want to give everybody the opportunity to support the Jan Sixers who are about to leave the prison cells.
	A lot of them are leaving homeless.
	You know, lives upended and destroyed.
	They don't have cell phones.
	They don't have clothes.
	They don't have groceries.
	They don't even have a place to live.
	So we have started the January 6th Life Rebuilding Project.
	And if you want to donate to help, you know, these 250 men that are about to leave prison restart their lives, please go to j6rebuild.com.
	That's the letter J, the number 6, rebuild.com.
	j6rebuild.com right now, please, and help us out.
	We've got a lot of guys that are destitute and need your help.
	Thanks so much for having me on, guys.
	God bless you, Jake.
	Thank you so much, and I hope to see you in person on January 21st somewhere.
	Thank you, Jake.
	All right, so that was, like I said, you heard that little thing at the end there, that one minute.
	That wasn't one of our producers.
	That was the automated warning to the prisoner who was making the call that there was one minute left on their allowed time on the phone.
	So Jake is obviously very, very limited like the rest of them because of the conditions they're kept in.
	But he used that time to call me and talk about the pardon because this is the second time I've interviewed him from his prison cell or his prison block in Washington, D.C. And obviously President Trump coming forth and saying he is going to deliver major pardons.
	Major pardons is something he said yesterday in the press conference.
	That he held at Mar-a-Lago.
	It has everybody hoping for them.
	And I concur.
	What's very difficult for me, and maybe it is for you too, is...
	Typically, conservative-minded people like you and me and Dr. Gorka and everybody else, we're very, very pro-police.
	I've been very pro-police on the radio for 27, 28 years.
	And I mean in a lot of different ways.
	I host a show.
	You can see the show that I host.
	It's called Cops Under Fire.
	It provides a real look at what police officers face when they're in shootout conditions.
	It's on my webpage, strictlyspeaking.org.
	You can watch them all on YouTube.
	I'm very pro-police, but what the Capitol Police did that day is something we absolutely must call out and we must talk about.
	And we'll continue to do that right after this.
	Thank you.
	I'm Seb Gorka.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, Dr. G, thank you.
	It is 17 minutes before the top of the hour now.
	Obviously, two days ago was the fourth anniversary of January 6th.
	We had January 6th of 2025, in which we watched Kamala Harris, kind of happily for us, certify her own defeat.
	But it was the fourth anniversary of January 6, 2021. Yesterday, President Trump in his press conference confirmed he's going to be pardoning a lot of these individuals.
	As you heard from Jake Lang in my interview...
	One of the J6 defendants, he truly believes President Trump is going to leave no man behind, that he's playing chess, that he is just being coy.
	He's trying to essentially set things up so everybody doesn't just hear him say, blanket, I'm pardoning everybody, no matter what any circumstances are.
	He's going to pardon a lot of them, regardless of the circumstances.
	He's going to have to do on a case-by-case basis.
	He may even pardon everybody by the time it's said and done, but it needs to be presented as such.
	We looked very closely at every case.
	We found these mitigating circumstances.
	We found this context that was absent, the reporting that was done on these particular cases, and this is why we are pardoning these individuals.
	So I thought that conversation with Jake was very, very important.
	Jake Lang, again, one of those who is...
	Just been paying a price that is far, far too heavy for what he's accused of doing.
	Remember, there were two deaths on January 6, 2021. Two.
	Neither one of them were police officers.
	None of them were military.
	None of them were Congress members.
	None of them were staffers.
	They were both demonstrators.
	One Ashley Babbitt shot in the neck.
	And the other one, Roseanne Boylan, beaten to death that Jake Lang and others were trying to protect and help as they were defenseless against the very, very aggressive police.
	And I, again, I say that as somebody, I mentioned my support for police.
	I've given speeches to police organizations through the years.
	You have no idea how many.
	I've done events.
	I've had people on the program.
	Like I said, I host a show right now.
	It's a very, very, very...
	It's a difficult-to-watch show.
	It's called Cops Under Fire.
	It airs on the True Blue Network.
	A bunch of the episodes are on my channel right now, on my YouTube channel.
	It's on my webpage.
	Go to strictlyspeaking.org.
	Look for the link in the upper right that says, watch this, Cops Under Fire.
	It's going to take you to the page where there's a bunch of episodes of cops being shot at.
	It's way, way more violent and aggressive, if you will, than the TV show Cops, which, of course, is so popular.
	My point being, I support cops, but what the Capitol Police did that day, based on what we know and what we have learned from individuals, and I can't tell you how many individuals I've interviewed who were on the ground at J6 that day, in addition to people like Jake Lang from his gulag, But others, including, you know, Hollywood actors like Nick Searcy.
	Nick Searcy was there that day.
	He was there to protest and demonstrate peacefully and patriotically.
	He did a documentary on this.
	So many things were done to these people so wrong.
	The things that people, you would not believe.
	And these individuals have been prosecuted or in some cases arrested but not charged.
	They haven't had their prosecutions because they haven't had their trials yet.
	And it is just so wrong.
	Something needs to be done.
	Two things need to be done.
	Pardons need to happen, and accountability needs to happen.
	Because if accountability doesn't happen, then this kind of thing can happen to anybody.
	Who's next?
	I mean, in all seriousness, who's going to want to go to a protest anymore?
	Who's going to want to protest in their home communities at their town squares or in Washington, D.C. at the National Capitol?
	Who's going to want to do that if there isn't accountability for what has been done to these people?
	All right.
	833-33-GORCA. 833-334-6752.
	Violet in San Jose, California wants to talk about these J6ers.
	Violet, please go right ahead.
	Okay, apparently I cannot hear Violet.
	So we're going to go to Dale in California.
	Dale, you are on the America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Bob France sitting in.
	Fire away.
	Hey, Bob.
	Thanks for taking my call.
	My pleasure.
	Everything that's wrong in California fire-wise is policy, 100%.
	And one of the things I want to throw into the conversation that I almost never hear about is the destruction of the cattle industry that's been waged by California against the cattle industry.
	That is an indispensable part of fire and fuel management in California, especially on the coast range.
	Cattle, ladder fuel make up grasses and forbs, and cattle eat about a 50% ratio of grasses and forbs.
	And we've probably lost probably 80% of the cattle industry in California, as well as almost 100% of the logging on federal grounds.
	So I just wanted to add that into the conversation.
	Another thing I want to point out, too, is that I've worked in Southern California quite a bit, is the ecosystem in California is radically different in Southern California than it is in the northern part of the state.
	And that's going to be almost strictly a mechanical and control burn kind of a situation to deal with those fires down there.
	I've heard that part, yeah.
	Okay, Dale, I appreciate that call.
	Thanks very much.
	It is a little bit off the topic of where we were with the J6 situation, but it's okay because it is an ongoing situation that I've been discussing for a good part of the show today.
	And yes, I have heard the very same thing you just said about the difference in resources in Northern California versus Southern California, and it is management-driven almost exclusively, almost exclusively, with the exception of things like the winds, which of course you cannot account for, but the management of the...
	The grounds, the forests, the brush, the so on and so forth, the fuels, the water availability, the absorption, and so on and so forth.
	All of these things are indeed management issues.
	By the way, during the last break, I checked and got an update on the situation in Los Angeles counties right now.
	Since the caller just brought it up, I'll throw it out here.
	Over 1,000 now, 1,000-plus structures have been burned to the ground.
	And the fires?
	The worst of the fires, the Eaton Fire and the Palisades Fire, still at 0% containment.
	Think about that.
	That's just an astounding thing to think about.
	That means this is going to continue unabated for, I don't know, however long the winds continue to blow the flames from one structure to another and before they can finally find a way to get enough resources there, whether it be water from the ground or chemicals from the air or whatever the case might be.
	So thank you, Dale, for that update, and I do certainly appreciate that.
	I want to invite you.
	We've got another segment to go.
	It's a short one, but if you want to get in to talk about the J6 situation, tell me whether or not you think President Trump will indeed pardon every one of the 1,600-plus, or whether or not you think not only will he not, that he should not.
	You can give me your views on it if you want to get in now, but you've got to dial quickly.
	833-33-GORCA, 833-334-6752.
	I'm Bob France sitting in for Dr. G.
	One more to go.
	Thank you.
	I'm Seb Gorka.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	Okay, final segment of the show.
	I want to close with an X message, actually, because I got a little bit off topic of the J6 thing.
	I thought the Jake Lang interview was a very, very important one to share with you so that you have an idea of what some of these people are going through.
	And then we got a little bit off track with the call about the land in California.
	So I'm going to go back to the J6 thing and read a message to you from Insurrection Barbie at Defiantly Free on Twitter because I saw this this morning and I read it to my local audience and it hit a lot of people.
	And I want to see if it hits you too as we wrap.
	I was in a space tonight where I heard four people who survived the J6 ordeal speak.
	I don't think people understand what kind of physical and psychological torture has been done to these people.
	People who committed misdemeanors, who were first-time nonviolent offenders, ripped away from their families, their children, and their loved ones.
	They were thrown into solitary confinement for months at a time.
	No phone calls, no letters, no lawyers.
	They were debanked, deplatformed.
	They were put on a terror watch list, permanently.
	Every single time they fly, they get flagged and made a spectacle out of at every airport.
	One of these people had their son on a terrorist watch list.
	The son was two years old at the time.
	These are people who are guilty of parading or trespassing.
	Listening to their stories is heartbreaking and also extremely infuriating, because this didn't happen in some third-world hellhole.
	It happened in the United States, where we now have a class of political prisoners.
	This happened in the United States, and no one could do anything to stop an out-of-control judicial system and an even worse bureau of prisons.
	Republican members of Congress, have you heard these people's stories?
	Have you heard what they've had to endure?
	What their families have had to endure?
	What they are still going through over a freaking misdemeanor in many cases?
	I really urge you to listen to their stories, because after you do, you will never see our government in the same light.
	Pardons are great.
	Very necessary.
	But these people have all been to hell and back, and there better be a whole lot of accountability.
	Otherwise...
	It's only a matter of time before you and I are next.
	Because you see, that's how tyranny works.
	That's how abusive power works.
	I read that this morning and it stuck with me because not only my conversation with Jake Lang, who of course is being charged with something much more severe than a misdemeanor, but a number of other people I've interviewed, I'm telling you right now, we better pray on this.
	Get to your knees and put your hands together and pray to God that he does deliver so many of these J6ers, all of them who have been mistreated by the government, all of whom were mistreated by the feds, all of whom were mistreated by the police, that they do indeed get the refuge that they are seeking.
	They need to be pardoned by President Trump.
	President Trump needs to step up for them in the same way they stepped up for him on January 6th, 2021. That is how we're going to leave this one.
	Thanks so much to Dr. G for letting me sit in for him again today.
	I'm going to do it again tomorrow.
	Then Hugh Hewitt is going to do it on Friday before it becomes the Hugh Hewitt Show on Monday.
	Thank you to Jeff and Eric and Paul and Guy and Alex.
	Thanks to you for listening or watching America First.
	I'm Bob France.
	Call me online at strictlyspeaking.org.

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