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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	And thank you so very much, Dr. G, for the chance to sit in for you in one of the last shows before you protect the...
	I said this to Dr. Gorka right after President Trump won and announced...
	That Seb was going to be a part of his administration as a senior advisor in counterterrorism.
	And I said to him, I started sleeping a little bit better.
	I kid you not.
	I told him this on my show.
	Seb came on as a guest on my show in Cleveland, Ohio.
	And I said, Seb, I started sleeping a little bit better immediately knowing that you were going to be a part of this national security team.
	I swear to you, and I said it, and I meant it.
	I hate the idea of losing America first.
	With Sebastian Gorka.
	I do.
	I don't like it at all.
	Nothing against anybody else in the company.
	We have phenomenal talents all up and down this company with all of the syndicated shows that we have in Salem.
	But Dr. Sebastian Gorka is different.
	You know he's different.
	I know he's different.
	The things that make him different are what's going to make us miss him.
	And I'm going to be very, very sad to see him go.
	But having said that, and I know it's only temporary.
	He's going to be serving with President Trump for however long that is.
	If it's for four years, he's going to come back and be a part of our analysis and our discussions and so on and so forth.
	The education of America about what it takes to put America first.
	He'll be back.
	In some capacity before long.
	But I love the fact that Sebastian Gorka is going to be a part of the Trump administration and is going to be working on national security counterterrorism.
	We have a problem in this country.
	Everybody paying attention to this country right now knows that.
	Everybody who is here knows that what happened in New Orleans is just a blip on the radar.
	It's a small little segment.
	It's a small little example of some of the issues that we have got going on.
	There are sleeper cells.
	There are terrorists who have been allowed to come into this country.
	What did we find out?
	More than 100 known terrorists on the actual known terrorist watch list came across Biden's red carpeted open southern border.
	We don't know how many terrorists came across whose names are not on that list.
	We don't know how many of them who are on that list but they came across as unknown gotaways.
	We know there are terrorists here working with, indoctrinating, In some way, shape, or form, brainwashing or joining or manipulating the minds of some disaffected Americans, whether they be people like the terrorist in New Orleans or any other capacity, they're working with them, they're radicalizing them, and they are turning them against America.
	So we need people like Dr. G in place.
	So while he does his job, we're going to do ours in his stead.
	On the program today in about...
	Ten minutes or so.
	We're going to talk to Alan Bakari.
	Used to be with Breitbart.
	Alan is now the managing director at the Foundation for Freedom Online.
	And that's a pretty important thing to be at right now because of the announcement this morning from Mark Zuckerberg that Freedom Online is suddenly going to be a priority of Meta, of Facebook, and of Instagram.
	We have a lot of audio.
	We're going to hear what Mark Zuckerberg said with that video he released.
	It's a five-and-a-half-minute video he released this morning.
	It's got a whole lot of people scratching their heads and saying, why all of a sudden, after all...
	Of Facebook's censoring, suppressing of free speech, booting of Donald Trump from the platform a few years ago.
	Why suddenly are they now going to embrace free speech?
	I have my ideas.
	I have some thoughts.
	Maybe you have yours.
	And we'll see if they match up with one another.
	So we'll talk about that with Alan Bakari, too.
	In the second hour of the broadcast, we're going to talk with Lord Conrad Black.
	We'll talk about that.
	We'll also talk about tyranny in Britain.
	Great Britain right now is a very, very dangerous place.
	They are on a slippery, slippery slope when they start a...
	Arresting people for posting things on places like Facebook that cause anxiety in other people.
	You are under arrest for causing anxiety to another person.
	Are you kidding me?
	This is dangerous when it's happening to Western democracies.
	We'll talk to Lord Conrad Black about that.
	And at 520...
	January 6th, obviously going to be a big part of our program discussion today.
	Yesterday, of course, was the fourth anniversary of the January 6th, 2021 riot at the Capitol.
	Started out as a peaceful patriotic protest, which, of course, was forced into something else by a bunch of agents provocateur, at least 26 of them that have been admitted, federal agents in that crowd, and a whole lot of overzealous, if not outright, antagonistic Capitol Police officers starting antagonistic Capitol Police officers starting violence in order to get people to commit violence in return and then arresting them.
	Over 1,600 J-6 defendants are now either in prison or facing prison or awaiting trials.
	One of them is Trevor Cain.
	Trevor Cain is in Northeast Ohio, which is where I'm coming to you from, in Cleveland, Ohio.
	We are AM 1420 The Answer.
	That's my ReliefFactor.com home base in the mornings from 9 until noon.
	And Trevor Cain is a Northeast Ohioan and he is a J6 defendant.
	He's been charged with a felony and a bunch of misdemeanors.
	He has not yet had a trial.
	He has not yet been sentenced.
	But he is hopeful to be among those getting pardoned for his actions on January 6th, which we will discuss.
	And of course, yesterday being the new January 6th, how glorious was it?
	Watching Kamala Harris certify her own defeat.
	She's getting a lot of praise for being dignified and professional in the way she conducted herself.
	All she did was read the script that had to be read, which was the entirety of her campaign for president, reading scripts off the teleprompters.
	And when the teleprompter goes haywire, it's saying 32, 32, 32. She read off the script what she had to read by the Constitution.
	As contained in the Constitution, this is what has to happen.
	And President Donald J. Trump, or Donald J. Trump wins 312 electoral votes.
	All she did was what she was supposed to do.
	What I'm saying, and I just want to get this out, because I want to be, I don't know, schadenfreudistic?
	Is that a word?
	Schadenfreudian, I'll run with.
	Schadenfreudian.
	Taking pleasure in somebody else's misery.
	I don't take any...
	Pleasure, generally speaking, in people's misery.
	But can you remember all of the things that Kamala Harris said about Donald J. Trump in the course of her horrific worst in American history presidential campaign?
	He was Hitler.
	He was a Nazi.
	He was a tyrant, a threat to democracy, a fascist.
	All of the things that she said about him.
	All of the things that all of them said, quite frankly.
	But she being his chief opponent in his...
	His actual opponent in the presidential campaign.
	The things that she said about him were so violent, so beyond just competitive and beyond just, you know, advancing my campaign while, you know, trying to take some legs out from underneath the other side.
	It was so much more than that.
	It was personal.
	It was grotesque.
	So in a schadenfreudian way, I will tell you, I watched the certification of the election yesterday.
	I watched her and I looked at her and I tried to seek out Senses of her discomfort, her embarrassment, her humiliation, her pain.
	And you know what I thought to myself?
	What I'll say to you right now.
	I hope it hurts and it cuts deep.
	And I hope the pain is deep and long-lasting as she has to stand there and affirm her own horrific defeat.
	Pronouncing Donald J. Trump, the 47th President of the United States, and J.D. Vance as the Vice President of the United States, I hope it hurt her badly.
	Because you know what?
	As bad of a candidate as she was, she is an even worse human being.
	She is an even worse human being, among the most grotesque individuals when it comes to character, when it comes to ambition, when it comes to treatment of others.
	There's a reason why her staff turned over to the tune of, what was it, 92%, 94% as vice president?
	Nobody wanted to work for her.
	Nobody wanted to listen to her.
	And Kamala Harris, the things that she said and did about Donald J. Trump and about Trump supporters and Trump voters.
	I have no respect for her communist upbringing.
	I have no respect for her communist leanings.
	I have no respect for anything about her.
	So I hope it hurt deeply yesterday when she affirmed that.
	But we're going to talk about President Trump.
	We're going to talk about some extraordinary things that he had to say today during what I can only call a master class at dealing with the media.
	President Trump today with a long press conference answering questions that reporters would have begged to have asked Joe Biden but never ever would have gotten a chance.
	President Trump had gave a master class today.
	We're going to talk about that too as we continue.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. G on America First.
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	All right, welcome back to America First.
	I'm Bob Francinian for Dr. G. It's 20 minutes past the hour.
	Thank you so very much for being with us.
	I'm live in Cleveland, Ohio.
	The home base is AM 1420 The Answer.
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	You can find my show on my webpage, which is called strictlyspeaking.org, strictlyspeaking.org, where you can also find all of my social media.
	I was just joking around a little bit here with Alan Bakari off the air.
	What I'm going to call the news today of Mark Zuckerberg, the meta CEO, the founder of Facebook and Instagram and the company that kind of really started and pushed the social media platforms rolling along.
	His announcement that he is going to switch over to community notes the way they do at X. In other words, remember the Michael Jordan commercial?
	Be like Mike.
	If I could be like Mike.
	Mark Zuckerberg is now running around, I can be like Elon.
	If I could be like Elon.
	It's hilarious to watch and listen to what Mark Zuckerberg had to say today.
	And we thought, who better to tap into to get his analysis of this than Alan Bakari, formerly Breitbart tech reporter, now managing director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
	Alan Bakari joining us on America First.
	Hey, Alan, how are you?
	Good afternoon, Bob.
	Good to be on.
	Good to have you.
	So, yeah, this was quite surprising.
	I didn't see any of this last night as I was preparing today's radio shows.
	I didn't see anything about Mark Zuckerberg or Meta doing anything.
	I woke up to that this morning.
	What was your first reaction when you heard and watched this five-minute video of Mark Zuckerberg saying, yeah, we're going to stop that whole censorship and suppression of free speech thing.
	We're going to embrace the First Amendment here at Meta.
	What were your thoughts?
	Well, first of all, nice for them to do it on my birthday.
	Great birthday present from Mark Zuckerberg.
	We're going to end censorship completely.
	Number two, I knew something like this was coming.
	I'd heard rumors inside the company from, you know, my contacts who work with them that something like this was coming.
	We also saw it in the staffing changes that have been made, announced the day before.
	So, you know, the departure of Nick Clegg.
	As head of global affairs, he was one of the strongest advocates for censorship inside Facebook.
	And the elevation of Joel Kaplan, a Republican, to fill his role.
	And also Kevin Martin, very, very important.
	He was promoted to fill Kaplan's previous role.
	He's a former Republican FCC chairman.
	And according to some reports on...
	The internal debates inside Facebook over the past 10 years.
	Martin was actually one of the biggest people trying to slow down the pace of censorship inside Facebook.
	So the fact that he was promoted yesterday was a signal of Facebook and Meta's change of direction.
	But I think Mark Zuckerberg's statement goes even beyond that by highlighting specific policy changes that Meta plans to make that I think are very significant actually.
	They're a hugely positive step if they're executed well.
	There you go.
	You just used the biggest word in the English language, if.
	Because I don't know what we can trust.
	I agree with you.
	These are all very positive steps.
	These are very, very affirmative things saying, hey, we're going to do something that should have been done.
	Quite frankly, they should never have to come back from this.
	They should never have abandoned the principles of the First Amendment in the first place.
	But they did.
	And what I heard from Mark Zuckerberg-Allem in that video recording was a lot of shade being thrown at the current administration.
	Because he talked about how over the last three years, and they've talked about...
	He even testified to a congressional committee about this, almost kind of saying we were coerced.
	We were being strongly advised to restrict certain content, restrict certain topics, restrict certain points of view, generally speaking, conservative points of view.
	So he threw a lot of blame, I think, on the Biden administration here.
	Do you buy that?
	Do you think that it was something that they were kind of forced to do and now that Trump is coming in and embracing free speech while we're on board?
	So I don't think you could take complete agency away from Silicon Valley companies.
	A lot of the censorship was driven, we must remember, by their own highly radical, highly left-leaning employees, not necessarily by management, although I think there are certain companies like, for example, Google and Microsoft, where the management of those companies really are quite ideologically committed to censorship and to opposing hate speech and pushing DEI policies.
	We'll see if that changes.
	You know, I really like to separate, you know, it seems that, you know, without speaking too soon, we seem to be moving past the era of peak censorship, which lasted, I'd say, for about eight to ten years between 2016 and around 2022, when it started to be pushed back in part, in large part because of Republican investigations from Capitol Hill and lawsuits.
	But during the era of peak censorship, I tend to separate people into three categories.
	Category number one, you have the true heroes who spoke out against censorship.
	Who spoke out against political bias in Silicon Valley when it was most risky to do so.
	That's people like James Damore, the Google employee who objected to their culture of ideological conformity in 2017 and ended up being fired for it and blacklisted from the industry.
	Second category, you have the true believers, the social justice types who really were all in on censorship and really wanted to censor anyone they could who hated.
	The first Trump administration who hated the rise of populism wanted to suppress it by any means possible.
	The third category, which I think is potentially the largest one, are the pragmatists, the people who recognized that there was this enormous combination of pressure from the media, from the government, from foreign governments as well, from non-profits, this enormous pressure that really emerged right after Trump was elected.
	For the first time in 2016, this huge combination of pressure on Silicon Valley to suppress so-called disinformation, suppress so-called hate speech, so-called threats to election integrity, really any pretext they could come up with to suppress political speech.
	And they saw that pressure and they saw how it was leading to advertiser boycotts against their platforms, to new regulation, to new scrutiny from existing regulators.
	And they just went with it.
	They caved in to the pressure from all these quarters.
	Mark Zuckerberg, maybe even Jack Dorsey fall into that third category of people who blew with the wind and now recognize that the wind has changed direction and they're again moving with it.
	Yeah, you know, it's interesting, too.
	I can't help but wonder if there is any kind of an impact on the decision that Mark Zuckerberg and his meta board made on this by the advent of the blue sky.
	First of all, the extraordinary growth of Twitter and a lot of praise from conservatives all flocking to the platform now because Elon Musk.
	Two things.
	Number one, he actually made it a free speech site.
	Number two, everything that is moderated is moderated by the users.
	It's moderated by community notes.
	And of course, Zuckerberg now says we will no longer have bias.
	Moderators, human moderators making these decisions.
	We will still have algorithms, but we will change them and alter them and so on and so forth.
	But the biggest thing we will do is let the communities make the changes.
	But I'm wondering about the impact of Blue Sky.
	A lot of left-wingers left Twitter when free speech was brought in.
	They went to Blue Sky.
	I don't know what kind of numbers they're getting, what kind of growth.
	And I just wonder if Facebook isn't reacting a little bit to the expansion of the social media platform Orbit.
	We need to do everything we can to hang on to our people.
	We have a lot of conservative people leaving Twitter to go to Blue Sky.
	I'm sorry, liberal people, I should say.
	But we want to appeal to everybody and keep our numbers up.
	They have 3 billion worldwide users on an active monthly basis.
	That is a great point.
	And threads just really didn't take off at all.
	They tried to compete with X, and it didn't work out.
	And I think there's a recognition.
	By Mark Zuckerberg that the gamble that Elon Musk took when he took over X, when he implemented free speech, when he went all in on Trump, before it was clear that Trump would even win the election, that gamble paid off massively.
	And, you know, he even mentioned it in his video that the election of Trump signals the political winds have shifted against censorship.
	And President Trump in his press conference today also said, do you think your pressure on Zuckerberg had something to do with it?
	And he said, yes, I do.
	And it very, very likely did.
	Alan Bakari is our guest, Managing Director of the Foundation for Freedom Online.
	Alan, thank you so much for that time.
	I'm Bob France in for Dr. G on America First.
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	And our US based content review is going to be based in Texas.
	As we work to promote free expression, I think that it will help us build trust to do this work in places where there is less concern about the bias of our teams.
	Finally, we're going to work with President Trump to push back on governments around the world that are going after American companies and pushing to censor more.
	I love the fact that Mark Zuckerberg just admitted that, yes, California as a state is biased and anybody who is working in California, particularly in Silicon Valley, is expected to be.
	Now we're going to be in Texas, though.
	We won't be biased in Texas.
	President Trump, in his press conference today, responded to Mark Zuckerberg when asked about whether or not his threats to the Metta founder had something to do with the new policies of Metta.
	Let's listen.
	I think they've come a long way, Metta.
	Facebook.
	I think they've come a long way.
	I watched it.
	The man was very impressive.
	I watched it.
	Actually, I watched it on Fox.
	I'm not allowed to say that.
	Do you think he's directly responding to the threats that you have made to him in the past?
	Probably.
	I love how casually President Trump, you think he's responding to the threats you've made?
	Yeah, probably.
	Everybody responds to threats that Donald Trump makes because he doesn't make idle threats, and that's exactly the issue.
	Let's continue now with Alan Bakari, Managing Director of Foundation for Freedom Online.
	So, Alan, you just heard Mark Zuckerberg explain, yeah, we want to partner with President Trump on free speech.
	And by the way, we're going to go to Texas now because we know that we can be fair and impartial in Texas.
	We can't do that if we're in California.
	Your thoughts?
	Yeah, I think we should.
	It's time to give the free speech movement some credit.
	You know, something I've been deeply involved in over the past 10 years, been my entire career.
	Many other great people involved in it as well.
	And also the Republican Party and Donald Trump, who really took up that cause.
	Both in his early administration and more recently.
	Now, look, there are some people in Silicon Valley who, you know, they're not just pragmatists.
	They do actually believe they've become radicalized on the question of free speech and DEI and all these things.
	There are people like Mark Andreessen, people like Elon Musk, who do seem to genuinely believe in what they say.
	But if I had to pinpoint a time for the broader shift in attitudes across Silicon Valley, I would say it happened shortly after 2022. When Republicans took back control of the House and started investigating all of these censorship efforts in depth, and the Trump administration has signaled even before it takes office that it's going to attach a similarly high level of priority to this area.
	In the first Trump administration, the incoming officials, they didn't seem to...
	They didn't see censorship as a huge priority.
	It hadn't really taken off yet.
	But it's totally different this time around.
	You have the incoming chairman of the FCC who talks about online censorship nonstop, really understands the issue.
	The same with the incoming chairman of the FTC. There must be a realization in Silicon Valley and all these companies that this time the administration is placing high, high priority on the issue of online censorship and will take real action on it if Silicon Valley doesn't, you know.
	Change it voluntarily.
	Yeah, so I'm really wondering about one other organization now.
	Now that we know, obviously, Elon Musk has changed everything at Twitter X. And now we have Mark Zuckerberg saying Meta is going to do all of these things as well.
	What about Sundar, I don't know how to say his last name, Pichai or Pichai, but the Google CEO and Google and YouTube, of course, they are, I think, by far now, after Jack Dorsey left or was bought out of Twitter, I think they're by far the most dangerous censorship.
	Platform, I guess, on the internet.
	Do you think they will bend the knee a little bit?
	You know, I mean, Tim Cook of Apple, what did he donate?
	A million dollars or ten million dollars or something to the inauguration?
	You know, so he's trying to get in.
	It seems like so many tech giants are saying, I want to work with Trump because we know what Trump is going to do.
	Do you think that Google or Google YouTube gets involved as well?
	Not just Google, but also Microsoft.
	I think Microsoft is a big, is in a vulnerable spot now that Meta's done this shift, because Microsoft, they're allied, they're still partnered with an organization called NewsGuard Technologies.
	NewsGuard Technologies is a censorship company.
	They build blacklists of favoured and disfavoured websites, and they sell those blacklists to advertising companies and cut off ad revenue.
	And they also want to use those blacklists.
	So that's integrated with Microsoft's Edge browser.
	It's installed by default.
	So Microsoft's in a tough spot there.
	Google, like you said as well, when I was a tech journalist at Breitbart, some of my biggest stories were about bias at Google from Google whistleblowers.
	There was...
	A document that I obtained in 2018 called The Good Censor, in which Google internally describes and admits that they took a massive shift towards censorship after the election of Donald Trump.
	This is something that's deeply ingrained in Google.
	So, you know, it'll be interesting to see what Google does, because now that Meta's made the shift, I think they're going to be in the spotlight, and I think Microsoft's going to be in the spotlight too.
	I hope it's the case.
	I hope it's a domino effect here because, I mean, honestly, this is one of the biggest threats that we have, I think, to me, to the republic, quite frankly, is the lack of free speech, the censorship, the suppression, demonetizing people for saying things they don't like them saying on YouTube and so on and so forth.
	So hopefully this does lead to that as well.
	Alan Bakari, Managing Director, Foundation for Freedom Online.
	Thank you for that great analysis.
	I'm Bob France in for Dr. G on America First.
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	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, thank you, Dr. G. Appreciate you very much.
	It is 17 minutes before the top of the hour.
	Great conversation with Alan Bakari there.
	I want to hit a few other points on this, too, because, listen, I'm going to be very selfish here, too, because I'm going to do some self-promotion at the same time.
	I'm not a believer, quite frankly, in what I heard from Mark Zuckerberg.
	And I want you to hear a little bit more about why he did talk a good game in his five minute clip.
	Excuse me.
	His five minutes of video that he posted this morning talking about why and what Meta is going to do.
	In fact, let's listen to some of that.
	And I'll tell you why I'm not a big believer.
	And I'll tell you how I'm going to cross promote that.
	Cut number three.
	Governments and legacy media have pushed to censor more and more.
	A lot of this is clearly political, but there's also a lot of legitimately bad stuff out there.
	Drugs, terrorism, child exploitation.
	These are things that we take very seriously and I want to make sure that we handle responsibly.
	So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content.
	But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes.
	Even if they accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that's millions of people.
	And we've reached a point where it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship.
	The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards once again prioritizing speech.
	So we're going to get back to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies, and restoring free expression on our platforms.
	More specifically, here's what we're going to do.
	First, we're going to get rid of fact-checkers and replace them with community notes similar to X starting in the U.S. After Trump first got elected in 2016, The legacy media wrote nonstop about how misinformation was a threat to democracy.
	We tried in good faith to address those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth.
	But the fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than they've created, especially in the U.S. All right.
	Now, like I said, that's a good game.
	That's talking a good game.
	We want to replace the fact checkers that we admit have been politically biased.
	With community notes, which means everybody can kind of check in and say, this is what I think is the case and this isn't.
	So it's a good game.
	We want to restore free speech.
	First of all, you have to have had something before you talk about restoring it.
	What you are talking about is a complete sea change.
	Because I don't buy, this is what I was talking about with Ellen Bakari.
	I don't buy the idea that...
	Biden and the Biden administration coerced Meta to do all of these things.
	I do think they tried, but I don't think they had to twist the arms of Mark Zuckerberg and his crew and his team very, very hard.
	In other words, I think they saw eye to eye.
	You know, Mark Zuckerberg and just like everybody else or almost everybody else in Palo Alto and in the Silicon Valley.
	They're very, very rabidly left-wing.
	And so they already wanted to suppress conservative content because it's hard to defeat conservative content when it's made articulately.
	When there are arguments made that you can't beat, the only thing you can do is silence them, right?
	So I don't think they had to be convinced very hard.
	I do think Biden and his administration tried to do that.
	Some of that came out in some of the congressional testimony that we heard from people like Mark Zuckerberg.
	Bigger picture, they have always wanted to kind of silence that with which they disagreed.
	And so I don't think this is, you know, we're going to get back to our roots the way he described it there.
	This is a sea change.
	They never, ever really believed in true freedom of ideas and an exchange of ideas in the first place.
	So that's point number one.
	And point number two, and this is where I'm going to turn this personal and use it for a little bit of self-promotion.
	Just about two months ago, I started a website.
	My program in Cleveland is called Strictly Speaking with Bob France.
	That's the name of the radio show.
	It's the name of my podcast, which I have on YouTube and on Rumble and on Spotify.
	I share some of the links from the interviews I do on my podcast on my Facebook, Instagram, X, and Truth Social accounts, right?
	So I started a website so you can kind of bring all of those things together.
	It's too hard to promote all of those different social media platforms.
	I put everything together at strictlyspeaking.org.
	There's the self-promotion.
	Sorry about that, but it's necessary to this point.
	So I take my content that I post on strictlyspeaking.org and I share it to Facebook, which kind of syncs up with Instagram, right?
	And I'm posting really good interview clips, radio clips that I've done, some of the podcast clips, some of the stories.
	Like today, Mark Zuckerberg himself is a story.
	It's right now online at StrictlySpeaking.org.
	I have the entire thing that I just played a portion of for you on the webpage.
	So I post that stuff on StrictlySpeaking.org and then I share it on Facebook.
	How do you grow a website?
	You grow a website by getting other people to share your content.
	So other people are looking at my content I'm putting on Facebook from StrictlySpeaking.org, and they're liking it, and they're trying to share it.
	And I get the comment sections in my Facebook post, both pages, because I have Strictly Speaking USA page, which is my radio page, a public page, and then my personal page, even though the personal page, all of the posts are public as well.
	But I put it on both places.
	And the comment sections fill up with people saying, how come I can't share your post?
	Facebook is blocking me from sharing your post.
	Facebook is saying sharing this post is like sharing spam.
	Facebook is saying if I share this post, it's a strike against me.
	It's a violation of community standards.
	Facebook is saying, I mean, I'll give you an example.
	Earlier today, I posted on strictlyspeaking.org, my webpage, shared it on Facebook, the clip of Sonny Hostin on The View yesterday saying some of the most inane And insane and incomprehensible things about January 6, 2021 that you can even imagine.
	She said it on live television.
	I just shared it on strictlyspeaking.org and then shared it on Facebook.
	Everybody who tried to share it is being told you can't share this.
	It's spam.
	How is it spam?
	It was on live television.
	My point here being...
	I'm not going to believe Mark Zuckerberg's, you know, personal little, you know, I'm going to speak directly to the people, to the Facebook world and the Facebook community and say, we are committed to free speech.
	We're going to work with President Trump on making sure the First Amendment is respected.
	We're going to get rid of all of those politically biased fact checkers.
	He's trying to be sincere and, you know, reach you on that one-on-one personal level.
	I'm not going to believe a word of it until I see it.
	Until shadow banning stops.
	Until limiting shares stops.
	Stopping people from sharing content with which they disagree.
	There is no reason whatsoever for them to not allow people to share my content from strictlyspeaking.org when all I'm doing is posting publicly available content anyway.
	There's no hate speech.
	There's no anything that could lead to that.
	So I'm having a hard time buying what Mark Zuckerberg is selling.
	Do you believe him?
	We can talk about it together.
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	I'm Bob France in for Dr. G on America First.
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	You know, I probably should introduce to anybody who's watching the program right now on Salem News Channel or on Dr. G's website or on the Rumble page, wherever it is that you might be.
	See this guy up here in front of me on my desk?
	This is great for me because I do this every day on my radio program in Cleveland, Ohio, whkradio.com or strictlyspeaking.org.
	Ways to listen to that show from 9 to noon every day.
	But anyway, I play for the radio audience every day when we go into a break.
	A cut of random talking Trump doll.
	That's this guy right here.
	He sits on my desk.
	He's my mascot, my motto.
	It's the best Christmas gift I ever got.
	I got it about three years ago.
	I don't remember who gave it to me anymore, but I love it.
	It's a random talking Trump doll.
	And so every day when I go into break, or every show when I go into break, I go...
	Oop, how come I can't hear that one?
	That one should be...
	Audible, one more time.
	Nope, that one's not going to play, but that's okay.
	That was just my intro to Random Talking Trump Doll.
	But every day, during a break, I give Random Talking Trump Doll a push.
	And on radio, it's not as much fun as it is going to be on Salem News Channel right now, because now you can actually see Random Talking Trump Doll, I'll tell you that.
	ISIS has spread like cancer.
	Another mess I inherited.
	I don't know what he's going to say next.
	I literally never do.
	That's what makes it so much fun.
	So if you're wondering why there's a Trump doll on the desk in front of me, if you're watching, now you know.
	So a moment ago, I know this is a short segment here, but a moment ago I mentioned Mark Zuckerberg and I mentioned the Sonny Hostin clip that I put on there that they basically weren't allowed to be shared on Facebook Meta, which is why I don't know if Zuckerberg's being serious or honest about his...
	His goals here about ending censorship and suppression of free speech.
	But the clip I was talking about is something I want to talk about next hour, and I want you to hear now.
	So this is Sonny Hostin on The View yesterday talking about January 6th, seeing some of the most ridiculous things I don't know that anybody has ever said about the issue.
	Here's cut to.
	I think we need to find moral clarity, you know, in this country.
	And I just remember after January 6th, you had someone like Mitch McConnell.
	Placing the blame on January 6th where it belonged, squarely on Donald Trump's shoulders.
	And then you started seeing people backtrack that and losing their moral center.
	You had Condoleezza Rice, I believe, on this very show saying, you know, we need to move on from January 6th.
	I say no.
	You don't move on because January 6th was an atrocity.
	It was one of the worst moments in American history.
	And when you think about the worst moments in American history, you know, like...
	World War II, things that happened like the Holocaust, chattel slavery.
	We need to never forget because past becomes prologue if you forget any race.
	Over 50 million people were killed in World War II. Over 6 million, and when you count non-Jews, about 10 million were slaughtered in the Holocaust.
	I don't even know the number.
	Of people killed and tortured in chattel slavery.
	There was one death, one death, maybe two, on January 6th, and it was a protester.
	Ashley Babbitt and Roseanne Boyland are the only two to lose their lives on January 6th, and she's going to compare to those extraordinary points in history.
	The left has lost its mind.
	We'll talk... ...and the right
	has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The right has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	The left has lost its mind.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
	Yes.
	Sitting in a very special chair, of course, and that is the one that is in the ReliefFactor.com studios that are home to America First today.
	So good to be with you.
	Thank you, Dr. G. Dr. G, of course, just three days left.
	Just three days left.
	He has asked me to sit in the rest of this week for him until Hugh Hugh takes over on Friday, and I'm so honored to be here, and I really appreciate you being with me.
	We'll take your phone calls at 833-333-GORCA. That's 833-334-6752 as time allows.
	But for now, We are going to welcome a regular special guest to the program on America First, Lord Conrad Black, to talk a little bit about what's going on with social media, censorship, tyranny, and apparently a new leader coming to Canada.
	Lord Conrad Black, how are you today, good sir?
	Oh, I'm fine, thanks.
	How are you, Bob?
	Well, we're doing well here.
	We're doing really well.
	And, you know, I'm so glad to get you on because of your...
	I'm sorry?
	Are you getting nasty weather down there?
	Yes.
	As a matter of fact, here in Northeast Ohio, we are in the middle of that Arctic blast like so many others.
	And of course, it's extending all across.
	It's like Florida here.
	I mean, we're doing fine.
	We're in Canada.
	I mean, we got no snow.
	It's very nice, fresh weather, but not terribly cold.
	Maybe that's why President Trump wants to annex Canada and make it our 51st state.
	Yeah, it certainly doesn't help the global warming agenda, that's for sure.
	Yeah, no doubt about that.
	No doubt about that.
	Down there, anyway.
	So, Lord Black, let's talk a little bit about a couple of goings-on here, because you are, of course, Canadian-born, but you've been a British businessman for a very long time as well.
	I want to talk about a couple of things and tie them both to what we were just discussing with Alan Bakari here last hour, and that is...
	Social media censorship.
	Now, here in, you know, the Facebook world, they have been very, very heavy-handed.
	They have shadow banned.
	They have blocked.
	They have censored and so on and so forth.
	A lot of political speech, things that they did not agree with, you know, they just simply blocked and banned.
	And now, Mark Zuckerberg says, we're not going to do that anymore.
	This is happening one week after I watched a video.
	That I want to ask you about of a man in the UK, in Britain, who was arrested for going on Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg's Facebook, and causing somebody else to feel anxiety.
	Those were the literal words of the police officers who came to put him in handcuffs and take him away for saying something that somebody else found so bad that it caused him great anxiety.
	On Facebook.
	So I'm asking you, is a Western democracy about to fall into tyranny?
	No, at least not that one.
	But completely, utterly stupid things happen, as they do in this country.
	I have the honor of being a citizen of both Canada and Great Britain, they're both great countries, and they're both reliable democracies where human rights are respected and have a very long tradition.
	No, the answer is no.
	These are freakish incidents, and they happen in times of completely stupid government, which all countries are subject to sometimes.
	And if you don't mind my saying so, you have had your fair share of it in the last few years.
	And so these completely stupid things happen.
	But no, it's an aberration.
	The British public and the Canadian public...
	I do not want the state suddenly losing its mind, smashing down people's doors and dragging people out in handcuffs because they've allegedly created anxiety by an email I've sent.
	These are aberrations.
	Stupid, ridiculous, and outrageous things that happen even in fundamentally sensible countries.
	I'm glad to hear you say that.
	And I'm glad it is kind of an outlier or a one-off or whatever you want to call it, except that it's the second one that I've heard of just in the last month or so.
	There was another case that was also on video.
	And I'm wondering, at what point does it become a pattern?
	At what point does precedent get set where if there isn't a pushback, and I don't know what's happening with these cases, to be truthful.
	All I've seen is the actual arrest videos.
	If they've been booted out of court, that's one thing.
	Bob, the reaction in Britain...
	It's the same as yours.
	It is what is happening in our country.
	Have we taken leave of our senses?
	What is this foolishness?
	The British are appalled by it.
	And we've had our share of it here in Canada.
	You know, all that nonsense with the truckers and their bank accounts being frozen and Justin Trudeau saying they were a bunch of bastards.
	I mean, truck drivers.
	They're just people who wanted to make a living.
	They weren't bastards.
	And this happens.
	But in the end, and you people have just given the world a very important, and as far as I'm concerned, a profoundly welcome lesson in this fact, you evoke it to a jury of the voters, and in the end you can trust the people to do the sensible things.
	That's why you're changing governments there.
	It's why our guys leave.
	And the British, because they had five consecutive unsuccessful Conservative prime ministers in eight years, they're stuck with the Labour Party, even though its popular vote went up slightly only.
	But the Conservative vote fragmented, so they're stuck with this gang of idiots for four years.
	But the British will throw them out.
	Turn the rest of it, they say.
	I'm glad you brought it up that way.
	We're talking to Lord Conrad Black, as he mentioned, of course.
	He's a citizen of both Great Britain and Canada.
	And yesterday, a bombshell for some.
	Some people saw it coming.
	I don't know about you.
	Justin Trudeau announced he is resigning both as the head of the Liberal Party as well as prime minister.
	And the process now begins.
	What happened?
	Did you see this coming?
	I jokingly said yesterday he was broken by Donald Trump.
	Donald Trump has just...
	He threatened him with the tariffs.
	You know, he made him come down begging, had him handed to Mar-a-Lago.
	You know, then he said, you're going to be our governor of our 51st state.
	And a lot of that was just, you know, was just bawdy talk and, you know, playfulness.
	But suddenly here comes Justin Trudeau yesterday with the resignation.
	What happened?
	No, Bob, I'm a great supporter and an old friend of your president and president-elect, by which I mean the same person.
	I'm not talking about President Biden.
	I mean, when your finance minister tells you that, you're finished.
	And the way the system works here, you know, The Prime Minister serves at the pleasure of a majority in Parliament, and his MPs, members of Parliament, were deserting him, so he had to go.
	I actually had written a piece for publication in Canada saying that unless Justin has succumbed to a death wish, he cannot continue.
	He's going to resign.
	And then I sent it in, and a few hours later he announced he was resigning.
	So you can see it coming.
	It's not a surprise.
	But what happens is, I believe the Liberal Party chairman has announced the schedule that they'll give the government the time to elect a new leader, which will take the march.
	The way it works, we now call a convention in the governing party like you had every four years.
	You have to have delegates.
	You have to choose the delegates and bring them together.
	They'll choose a new leader.
	That person will meet parliament and shortly after that, they'll have an election.
	We'll change parties, just as you've done.
	We've had Justin for over nine years, and he's a very nice person.
	I've known him since he was...
	Just a little chap, because I knew his father quite well, who was also the prime minister.
	And he's, like most politicians, a very nice guy, but he hasn't been an effective leader.
	He hasn't led a good government.
	And it's time for change.
	So we'll get it.
	And the opposition leaders are very able men.
	Very good.
	I've known him a long time also.
	Young men, conservative, intelligent conservative, not reactionary.
	Conservatism in the sense of liberty.
	Greater freedom to people, especially to use the money they've earned the way they want to use it.
	And, you know, we're in step with you.
	We're going to do the right thing.
	And so are the Germans next month.
	So are the French in a couple of years.
	And eventually the British will do that also.
	So, Lord Conrad Black, you mentioned your relationship with President Trump and your fondness for him, and that's well known by everybody.
	But you, of course, also have a great fondness for Canada, one of your two home countries.
	What do you make of the president who said today at his very long, wide-ranging press conference, it wasn't jokey sounding.
	I kind of just dismissed it before, just the same thing as I said with the stuff about Justin Trudeau being our 51st governor and so forth, or the governor of our 51st.
	But today he was asked again, and he said very, very seriously, we would be a force.
	The United States and Canada together would be a force.
	Let's erase that arbitrary line that was just put there.
	And boy, what a big boon this would be for national security for us as well.
	And after all, we already protect Canada, so why not just do it this way?
	I still don't think it's serious, but what do you make of this conversation about this new partnership, if not an annexation of Canada?
	Well, I find it quite welcome in a way.
	At times, I have said similar things over the years.
	There are a couple of problems with it.
	The argument for Canada has always consisted of two things.
	About a quarter of the population are French, and they're afraid that if we merged with the United States, they'd lose their language.
	They'd be only about 8 million people, well, 9 million people.
	Speaking French again, you know, and there's a huge number of them.
	Lord Black, let me hold you there.
	Let me hold you there, if I may.
	I've got 15 seconds left in the segment.
	I know you're going to stick with us, though, so we'll take our time out here.
	We're going to come back and talk more about this conversation about the United States and some sort of an alliance or an annexation or partnership with Canada.
	We'll continue with Lord Conrad Black.
	I'm Bob France in for Dr. Gorka right here on America.
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	Welcome back to America First.
	I am Bob Franz sitting in for Dr. Gorka live in Cleveland, Ohio, the AM 1420 The Answer Studios.
	Excuse me.
	Coughs are no good things to have, not good things to have on live radio, but it happens sometimes.
	Continuing now our chat with Lord Conrad Black about President Trump's commentary today and really over the course of the last few weeks of this transition period about wanting to find a way to...
	I don't know, partner with Conrad Black?
	Are we talking about a partnership?
	Are we talking about an annexation?
	Are we just talking about a new sort of relationship?
	But he's literally talking about erasing the line that separates us, the border, our northern border and your southern border up there, with Canada, and making some sort of an official relationship with the United States of America.
	So you were in the midst of a very important response here.
	Tell us your thoughts to what you think President Trump is really getting at, and how do Canadians feel about that?
	Look, I think the president has a slightly oversimplified view of this.
	The fact is, as you well know, Bob, and all your viewers know, it's hard to tell an American from a northern state, from a Canadian.
	I mean, you're in Cleveland, I'm in Toronto, we're close by.
	And a person listening to us both would think we were the same nationality.
	The difference is the pronunciation of very few words, and that's all.
	Now, of course, if you're from Alabama or something, that's like someone from New England.
	I mean, the difference between a Canadian from Ontario and someone from Minnesota or Ohio culturally is a finer distinction than between someone from New England and Alabama or Texas.
	That is true.
	But there is a cultural difference.
	And the Canadians have always had the view that...
	They'll never be as powerful a country as the U.S., but they can in some ways be a nicer place to live.
	And the reason is because we don't have the revolutionary tradition.
	We didn't get our independence by taking the muskets off the wall and going out and shooting the British.
	You did.
	Nothing wrong with that.
	It's a different tradition.
	And we never had slavery here because there was never an economic reason for it.
	I mean, we didn't have crops of cotton and tobacco in tropical conditions where Africans or Caribbeans could be more efficient at harvesting.
	We never had that.
	So, you know, there are differences.
	What Canadians see is that the U.S. is, by our standards, somewhat corrupt.
	The role of money in politics worries us a little bit.
	And remember, I've lived in the United States.
	I'm happy in any of Britain, Canada, the U.S., they're all great countries in different ways, slightly different ways.
	And the violence, the violence about those people, your crime rate is high, and there's too many people who get killed.
	I mean, that's very rare.
	I mean, Toronto, where I am, is a metropolitan area of 9 million people, and we only get about 80 people killed a year.
	I mean, it's shady too many, but it's not a lot.
	It's such a big city.
	And so there's a sort of quality of life aspect.
	And in addition, as I said a minute ago, 25 percent of the population, 20 to 25 percent, is French.
	And they're worried that if you combined everything into one great country north of the Rio Grande River, they would be assimilated.
	They'd lose their language.
	So those are the problems with them.
	But it makes sense geopolitically in the way the president's talking.
	Basically, right.
	I mean, Canada, if you merge the two, the resources, the entire natural resource base of the United States would be double.
	This country's a treasure house, a different tropical fruit.
	We have everything, all forest products, all energy, all base metals, precious metals, everything.
	It would be a fantastic country of 375 million people with the entire north of North America, north and center.
	A brilliant concept.
	But if it's going to be done, it's got to be done in a way that respects the individuality of Canada in certain ways.
	The admission of some new states.
	By the way, for 40 million people, we'd better get more than one state, you know, if that's what it was.
	So the president...
	Yeah, no doubt.
	And that's an important thing, too.
	I'm glad you brought that up, because a lot of people have been saying, you know, President Trump should be careful what he wishes for, because if Canada were to become a quote-unquote 51st state, it's going to be one giant blue state.
	It's going to be something that actually helps the Democrats of the United States more so.
	It looks that way with Justin, but Justin's on the way.
	But it would be...
	Slightly more blue than red.
	But that could change, too.
	I think if Canadians got a taste of lower tax rates, that could change.
	I mean, Canadians are not fundamentally leftists.
	They're just cautious.
	But I think there's a possibility of doing something, but it would have to avoid complete movement, complete freedom of movement between the countries.
	We don't want your 10 million most desperate welfare cases suddenly moving to Canada where our welfare payments are a little higher.
	We don't want that.
	I mean, it's nothing against them.
	And God bless them.
	No, no.
	We don't want them here.
	There are things that both sides would certainly not want.
	I think there's room to make it closer.
	And we can just see how far it goes.
	But with respect, the president's being a little flippant here.
	It's a bit more complicated than what he lets on.
	I'm sure he is.
	Just coming in.
	I mean, that's not going to fly, Bob.
	No, no, absolutely not.
	He is being very flippant about it.
	We're not going to be treated like Panama or something.
	Right.
	And one of the other things, too, I think people need to think about, too, you talked about the welfare cases and what have you going up there.
	The nationalized health care system that Canada uses, too, would be something that would be really, really frightening for Americans because we don't want to absorb that and have the problem where you're going to be waiting six months for a doctor's appointment.
	The idea of everyone having access to medical care is good, but the way it works here doesn't work well.
	That's right.
	Neither of us have the right system, and we can learn from each other.
	Can I just say one thing?
	A friend of mine a few years ago moved from Canada to the U.S. and became a professor at one of your universities.
	Very respected man and a very, very able man who is often in public and publishes books on public affairs matters.
	And he said as he moved, I'm leaving the best country in the world to go to the greatest country in the world.
	They are both good countries and they are both great countries.
	I would subscribe to that.
	It sounds like a cliché, but it's true.
	No, I like that.
	I like that.
	And you can have two different things like that.
	And I think there are some things that Canada does extraordinarily well, maybe better than we do, and vice versa here.
	But let's talk bigger picture, too, because at the same time that President Trump is talking about Canada, he's talking about Panama, the Panama Canal, and he's talking about Greenland and talking about how Denmark doesn't have any real legitimate claims to Greenland and it would be more strategic for national and international security if we were to kind of take over Greenland, too.
	Thoughts there in the short time we have left here.
	Lord Black.
	I think we have a better claim to Greenland, and I think they'd be happier with us.
	But I agree with this point.
	It should be not under a country of only 5 million Denmark, but with a country, either Canada or the U.S., or both of us together, where we can exploit the immense resources of Greenland, which Denmark doesn't have the ability to do.
	But we can't just steal a tough moment in Denmark.
	We've got to work it out.
	On the Panama thing, Henry Kissinger was a dear friend of mine, and I knew Mr. Nixon.
	I had great admiration for both of them.
	But on that one, I thought Reagan was right.
	You never should have given it away.
	And if the Panamanians are cheating you, the president's right.
	Take it back.
	The hell with them.
	You don't have to put up with this.
	And neither does anyone else.
	If they're overcharging American ships and letting the Chinese gradually take over...
	Throw them out.
	I mean, pay them a fair price and take the canal back, but take it back.
	Yeah, that's exactly it.
	President Trump has been talking about this for decades.
	Long before he actually became president, he's been talking about other countries that take advantage of us, and the one thing he wants to do is to balance those scales, and that's what he's doing with a lot of this.
	Lord Conrad Black, great conversation, my friend.
	Thank you for the time today.
	Happy New Year, sir.
	Same to you, Bob.
	Good speaking with you always.
	All right.
	And I am Bob France in for Dr. G.
	This is America First. America First.
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	Thank you.
	I'm Bob Franson for Dr. Gorka on America First.
	Phone lines are open to you now at 833-333-Gorka, 833-334-6752.
	I do see some people on hold right now.
	If you're on hold, stay there, because I want to get a couple of other points in here.
	And thanks again to Lord Conrad Black and Alan Macari.
	Next hour, by the way, we're going to talk to Trevor Cain.
	He is a J6-er.
	He has been charged with a felony and a handful of misdemeanors for his actions.
	Four years ago yesterday at the Capitol.
	And we're going to share a video with you.
	If you're watching the program, you're going to see a video of Trevor Cain marching through the Capitol, waving a flag and talking about liberty and how important this was.
	He has been charged and is facing up to 20 years in prison.
	President Trump...
	Has talked of pardoning.
	As a matter of fact, let's get that cut ready there.
	Cut number 15. President Trump today, it had been rumored over the course of the last, I don't know, 24, 48, that President Trump was talking about pardoning as many as 1,000 or a little over 1,000 of the 1,600 or so political prisoners many people feel that they are.
	I am one of them from January 6, 2021. And President Trump today, as part of his wide-ranging press conference, And it was fantastic.
	It was a master class in handling the media.
	I loved every second of it.
	Among the issues that was dealt with was the question of whether or not he would pardon so-called violent offenders from January 6, 2021. This is what President Trump said.
	Cut 15. Pardon January 6th defendants.
	Are you planning to pardon those who were charged with violent offenses?
	Well, we're looking at it, and we have other people in there, and as you see, I guess 24 or 28 people came now from the FBI. That came out very quietly.
	Nobody reported it, but they had people in some form related to the FBI. They had four or five people that were strongly related to the FBI. We have to find out about that.
	We have to find out about Hezbollah.
	We have to find out about who exactly was in that whole thing, because people that did some bad things were not prosecuted.
	You know, I see it all the time, and you see it too.
	People that were doing some bad things weren't prosecuted, and people that didn't even walk into the building are in jail right now.
	So we'll be looking at the whole thing, but I'll be making major pardons.
	Major pardons, the president said.
	We're going to look at the whole thing, and I'll be making major pardons, yes.
	Now, this is a personal opinion here.
	I think President Trump misspoke because he said Hezbollah.
	I think he meant to say Antifa.
	Am I crazy?
	I don't know what Hezbollah would have to do.
	Hezbollah, of course, is the Iranian-backed terror group in Lebanon that is continuing to attack Israel and so forth, along with Hamas.
	I don't know that there was a tie between Hezbollah and what happened on January 6th.
	He may have meant to say Antifa, but other than that, what he said was important.
	He wanted people to know, look, there were a whole lot of people there on January 6th at the Capitol, January 6th, 2021, that some on the left are calling worse.
	January 6th was worse than the Holocaust, or as bad as the Holocaust, as bad as chattel slavery, as bad as World War II combined.
	All of these things.
	There were two people who were killed that day.
	Both of them were protesters slash demonstrators.
	The idea that this was in some way deadly or in some way, you know, some massive, you know, insurrection, they like to use that word insurrection, would be the first, and he talked about that too at the presser today.
	So it's like the first insurrection in the history of the world in which nobody had a gun.
	How do you overthrow a government, an armed government without arms?
	It was never an insurrection.
	And he wanted everybody to know that when these pardons come, Understand that a lot of these people were set up by the no less than, but probably many more than, 26 that they have admitted, federal agents that were infiltrating that crowd of demonstrators.
	And yes, we have video of many of them ramping up the demonstrators and saying, let's get inside, let's go, go, go, break it down.
	It's called entrapment.
	It's called entrapment.
	Police officers are not allowed to do that.
	They're not allowed to try to set somebody up and entrap them into committing a crime that they ordinarily, if left to their own devices and their own decision-making, they would not have committed.
	That's called entrapment, and that's what a lot of what happened on January 6th was.
	So he wanted people to know about that.
	He wanted people to understand that there are a lot more circumstances that maybe people don't quite understand about what happened on January 6th.
	He did talk about Ashley Babbitt being shot, one of the only two people to be killed that day.
	Despite the fact that Joe Biden and the mainstream media and members of Congress on the left continue to say that police officers were killed that day, no police officers were killed that day.
	There were officers injured that day, but there are circumstances.
	And context to that that people need to know as well, including the fact that many of those officers were injured by the pepper spray they were spraying at the demonstrators and that blew right back in their own faces.
	And many of them who started attacking demonstrators who had been prior to that peacefully.
	And then the demonstrators defended themselves.
	So there is a lot of context here that needs to be discussed when it comes to J6. President Trump, though, delivered, like I said, a master class of how to handle the media today.
	We're going to give you a little bit more of that after this time out.
	And we're going to take your phone calls, too.
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	All right, thank you, Dr. G. We do continue now at 43 minutes past and 17 minutes before the top of the next hour.
	Bob France live in Cleveland, Ohio.
	On AM 1420, The Answer.
	By the way, I kind of forgot to tell you, you can also email the show.
	You can email America First by sending it to my email as long as I'm in for Dr. G. Bob at strictlyspeaking.org.
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	If you would like to send a message and get on the radio and have your message read, I will certainly do that for you.
	And I do want to get you involved on the phones as well.
	I've been playing a lot of audio and talking to a lot of guests.
	Let's take some phone calls.
	We'll get back to the doctor or to the...
	Donald J. Trump interviews, or I'm sorry, press conference today is taking questions, a wide range of questions, at a long press conference today down at Mar-a-Lago.
	Something that I know the reporters down there are just probably licking their chops.
	Not for the reasons you might think.
	You know, they want to get a shot at Donald Trump because they hate him, their mainstream press.
	That part's true.
	But these guys have had nothing to report on because Joe Biden doesn't do press conferences.
	And, you know, his press conferences with...
	The press briefings, I should say, with KJP, you know, I mean, those were useless and waste of time because she was so extraordinarily incompetent at her job.
	Nobody got anything from that totally opaque administration.
	So Donald Trump has pledged to come in and replace opiqueness with transparency.
	And he's doing it now, even in the transition phase.
	He did it all during his first term.
	He did it during his campaign.
	He's doing it during the transition phase right now, and he'll do it all the way through.
	He wants to be available to the press to get the message to the people.
	And I think it's fantastic.
	Today was a masterclass.
	It really was.
	And I'll give you more of that in a bit.
	But I do want to get you on the phones.
	So we're going to go to San Diego.
	And that's where we're going to say hello to John.
	John, you're on America First.
	Bob Fran sitting in for Dr. Gorka.
	Go right ahead, sir.
	Okay.
	Zuckerberg is a lion weasel.
	The only reason he's doing this is because of the 203 status that they have forbids these platforms for being publishers.
	And if you edit, you're a publisher.
	If you censor, you're editing.
	So they're going to lose their 203 status if they don't start complying and capitulating.
	But I've been stuck in Facebook jails almost 100 times, and it's always for something that wasn't true or it was a joke that was kind of mean-spirited.
	And I got angry with it for a while, and I would take screenshots of...
	Actual lies or hate speech that these Democrats would say.
	Turn them in.
	And then, you know, five minutes later, I'd get a notification on Facebook.
	Oh, well, this doesn't have anything to do with our community standards.
	So it's always one-sided with them.
	It is.
	You're 100% right.
	I don't trust him either for many of the reasons you just said and others.
	Thank you for the call from San Diego, John.
	I completely concur.
	I've been in Facebook jail a handful of times.
	I continue to be shadow banned and suppressed, as I said before.
	That Sonny Hostin clip, which was on live television on The View just yesterday, on January 6th, in which she compared J6 to slavery and the Holocaust and so on and so on.
	All I did was post that on my personal webpage, which is strictlyspeaking.org.
	I would love if everybody went and subscribed to it.
	Not subscribed.
	Bookmarked that site, because you can follow all my social media from there and all of the content from my radio program, my podcast, the Cops TV show.
	It's called Cops Under Fire that I do.
	There's a lot of things there, and I love it.
	Anyway.
	I posted the Sonny Hostin clip on strictlyspeaking.org, then I shared that on my Facebook, and other people tried to share it, and it got shut down.
	Nope, not allowed to share it.
	Violates community standards.
	All I did was post something, share something, that was on TV, on network television, and it's still being blocked.
	So I don't trust Zuckerberg to do what's right here either, and if there is an attempt to do something that is right, I agree with you.
	There's an ulterior motive.
	has to influence on social media.
	Look at what Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple did.
	CEO of Apple, Tim Cook, just pledged a million dollars, I think it's a million, or was it 10?
	There's some crazy number, to the president's inauguration.
	To help pay for the cost of balls and whatever else that has to be done.
	So, you know, he's the CEO of Apple, and he's got a relationship with Donald Trump.
	Obviously, Elon Musk, who owns X, has the relationship and is working with Donald Trump in DOJ, the Department of Government Efficiency.
	So I think, you know, what happened here is Mark Zuckerberg is looking at the other tech platforms and some of the other, you know, prominent people in Silicon Valley sucking up to the president, in a manner of speaking.
	And saying, I don't want to be left out in the cold.
	I want to be in this guy's good graces too, because our meta platform is going to be in serious trouble if there is a crackdown on platforms that censor or suppress.
	And so I think it's a way of getting out in front and kissing the ring of President Trump knowing that other platforms are doing the same thing unless they want to lose market share and lose number of followers or subscribers that they're going to have to get on board to.
	So I don't trust it.
	I'll believe it when I see it.
	I'll believe it when you can share one of my posts from StrictlySpeaking.org on your Facebook page and it doesn't get banned, blocked, censored, suppressed, or anything else.
	Then I'll believe that they're changing things.
	Otherwise, not so much.
	Okay, let's go next to Columbus, Ohio.
	We'll stay in state here.
	Mike, Mike, you want to talk about the game against Texas, or you got something else on your mind?
	Hey, Bob.
	Real quick, I get up to Cleveland a lot.
	Really enjoy hearing you up there on the answer.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to give you a plug.
	People should listen in.
	I do appreciate that.
	Thank you.
	Real quick, I think you might be looking at this slightly wrong.
	What Sonny said was colossally stupidly embarrassing.
	It occurs to me that they may not be suppressing you so much to trying to protect her.
	Maybe, but at the end of the day, both results happen here.
	You know, they're protecting her from what?
	From her own words?
	From people being exposed to the stupid things that she said?
	But if they do that, they are suppressing me.
	There's certainly been a couple of retractions there.
	I mean, it's possible Zuckerberg, who's always been a political creature, has suddenly swung so far to the right that he wants to keep her off the air.
	I think that's a stretch.
	I don't think he's swung to the right.
	I think, if anything, he is reading the tea leaves, and he's seeing how successful Elon has been since he brought free speech into the X world, is what I'm trying to say.
	Apologies.
	I think he's trying to get on board, and he knows that President Trump is going to do whatever he has to do to make sure that these platforms are following certain guidelines.
	And I think he's just getting out in front of it.
	He's testified in front of Congress enough times about some of the suppression that they've done, and I think he's got something to answer for there.
	And thank you for the call, my friend from Columbus, and I do appreciate the shout-out for my program in Cleveland as well.
	I want to talk more about this next segment.
	Stay here.
	I'm Bob France, in for Dr. Gorka, right here on America First.
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	Music by Ben Thede Mexico's really in trouble.
	A lot of trouble.
	Very dangerous place.
	And we're going to be announcing at a future date pretty soon we're going to change because we do most of the work there and it's ours.
	We're going to be changing sort of the opposite of Biden where he's closing everything up, essentially getting rid of 50 to 60 trillion dollars worth of assets.
	We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to The Gulf of America, which has a beautiful ring that covers a lot of territory.
	The Gulf of America, what a beautiful name.
	And it's appropriate.
	It's appropriate.
	And Mexico has to stop allowing millions of people to pour into our country.
	They can stop them.
	And we're going to put very serious tariffs on Mexico and Canada, because Canada, they come through Canada, too.
	And the drugs that are coming through are at record numbers.
	You know, it's hard sometimes to know when he's just being folksy and flippant and, you know, cute and having fun and trolling people and when he's serious.
	But he's very serious about a lot of this.
	He's serious about the idea of maybe Canada becoming, you know, or breaking up into three or four states and becoming annexed by the United States and becoming a part of the country.
	And I think he's deadly serious about renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.
	As he said, why not?
	We pay for everything.
	We're the ones who do the work.
	We're the ones who, you know, essentially control, you know, the coast there.
	So why should it not be ours?
	Why should it not be the Gulf of America?
	And I absolutely love it.
	Somebody already sent me a picture.
	Just kind of a, you know, photoshopped map of, you know, of the Gulf and where it says Gulf of Mexico.
	We scribbled out in Gulf of America.
	Why not?
	I mean, honestly, President Trump, look, you know what this is?
	You know what that statement from President Trump at the press conference today is?
	It's a window into his soul.
	It's a window into his heart.
	His heart, and I know this sounds cheesy as all get out, but his heart just kind of beats, you know, like the national anthem or something.
	The guy, when he says America first, when he says make America great again.
	It means them putting America first in all ways.
	And if our neighbors in North America, to the north or the south, Canada or Mexico, are not pulling their weight and shoring up the security of the border on their side of it, they're going to pay a price in the form of tariffs.
	If they're not going to do what they have to do, what they should do to protect us, and we are essentially protecting them.
	You know, in all seriousness, they enjoy sharing the continent with us and nobody is going to be coming to invade the United States and put their citizens to the north and south of us in jeopardy because of our strength, because of our presence here.
	When the United States leads the world, Canada and Mexico are safer.
	So do your part, essentially.
	And why should we not have the Gulf of Mexico?
	Why should those waters be claimed by Mexico?
	It is, you know, America.
	It's all about America first.
	That's what it's about.
	He's not joking when he says it.
	Wednesday, we go into our top of the hour break with another comment from the random talking Trump doll.
	Mr. President.
	When you open your heart to patriotism, there is no room for prejudice.
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	you. Thank
	you. Thank you.
	Thank you. Thank you.
	Thank you for joining us on America First with today's very special guest host, Cleveland's own Bob France.
	It's...
	You know what I love about doing America First for Dr. Gorka?
	It's the music.
	I swear to goodness, the producers of this show are like in my phone.
	They're playing like everything off of my phone's playlist.
	It's amazing.
	I absolutely love it.
	You guys are fantastic.
	I don't know who's playing the music.
	I don't know if it's Eric or if it's Alex or it's Guy.
	Who's playing the music?
	Paul?
	Jeff, Alex, Alex, I thought I was the only person in radio who listened to the church.
	I heard the church two segments ago, I think it was, going in and coming out.
	I didn't think anybody else in conservative radio even knew what the church was, and I heard the church.
	That's just fantastic.
	Welcome into the third and final hour of America First.
	I am Bob France, live in Cleveland, Ohio.
	If you are so inclined, you can listen to my program between 9 and noon every day on my website, strictlyspeaking.org, strictlyspeaking.org.
	All that does is link up to the radio station, which is WHK, AM 1420, The Answer, here in Cleveland.
	And I certainly would welcome your thoughts on the program.
	Anything that you hear, you're going to hear a lot more of on the program between 9 and noon each and every day at that location.
	StrictlySpeaking.org.
	While you're there, you may also partake some of the content that Meta slash Facebook won't share.
	Even though Mark Zuckerberg says, yeah, no, we're going to fix all of that.
	We're going to stop censoring, suppressing, shadow banning, blocking, suspending, and so on and so forth.
	We'll see.
	The proof will be in the pudding.
	I do not have a lot of faith, quite frankly, in Mark Zuckerberg and the meta community.
	But if you are so inclined to partake and check out some of the content that I have there, you may also send an email from that spot or from your regular email location.
	Find me at...
	Bob at strictlyspeaking.org.
	Email bob at strictlyspeaking.org.
	Phone lines are open now.
	833-333-GORCA, 833-334-6752.
	But I also have some more that I want you to hear.
	We kind of titled this show today, Trump's Masterclass in Media.
	I mentioned in the last segment, you know, President Trump is doing something that, quite frankly, Joe Biden never, ever wanted to do, and that is actually talk to the press, take questions from the press, answer questions, because President Trump is not fearful.
	President Trump is not, how should we say, disabled?
	Afflicted by dementia or any of the other things that Joe Biden was.
	And so the media never really got much over four years of a chance to talk to or listen to or ask questions of Joseph R. Biden.
	President Trump today, still in the transition phase, 13 days away from becoming the 47th president.
	Bring it on!
	Any topics, all topics.
	He presented a great, great press conference, and I just want to recap some of it before I give you some of the audio.
	In which he did talk about renaming the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America.
	He talked about using economic force to acquire Canada, to erase what he called an artificial line, the border between us.
	Said we'd be a powerful force internationally, and this would be huge for national security.
	Talked about the Middle East and the hostages.
	In fact, we'll have a clip on that here in just a moment.
	Talked about...
	Reversing Joe Biden's ban on drilling in 625 million acres of coastal waters.
	Talked about the smooth transition that Joe Biden promised was nothing more than talk.
	He's doing everything he can to obstruct the Trump agenda on his way out and Trump's way in.
	Spoke on the lawfare cases against him.
	It was just a tremendous...
	Look inside, again, the true heart.
	It's true transparency.
	It's true and authentic transparency into the 47th president or the president-elect, if you will.
	So I want to play a little bit more from what he had to say before I go back to your phone calls.
	Again, at 833-33-GORCA. That's 833-33-46752.
	And we're going to start here with President Trump talking about what it's going to take on January 20th to begin the economic turnaround that he promised in his campaign.
	Please cut eight.
	On January 20th, we'll turn the economy around very quickly because right now we are, when I think of our economy, I think about inflation.
	That's what we have.
	We have inflation, I believe, at a level that we never had before.
	There's never been anything like it.
	And over the next four years, the United States is going to take off like a rocket ship.
	But really, it's already doing it.
	If you take a look, just last month, SoftBank announced the $200 billion.
	I think it'll be $200.
	He said between $100.
	And I said, how about making it $200?
	And he sort of said yes.
	But let's say it's $100, but it might be $200.
	Right, Brian?
	Dollars, United States creating more than 100,000 jobs.
	Hussein just announced.
	Tremendous investment that he's going to make, and that's money that's in the bank.
	He's going to come and do it, and he'll do a great job, and he'll build the best centers in the country, I guarantee, because I know the way he builds.
	Talking about literally on day one starting the economic turnaround that we all need so desperately.
	And I thought that was really, really important.
	By the way, the other thing he did during the press conference today down at Mar-a-Lago was he introduced a Japanese CEO whose company is going to be investing $20 billion in the United States.
	And President Trump talked to him about, will you double that?
	I don't know.
	He has such an amazing way with people.
	But he talked about him maybe even doubling that amount.
	but at least $20 billion investment from a Japanese tech company, something that was in no way, shape, or form even close to being a reality when Joe Biden was president, that it was the election of Donald Trump, and he talked about the number of corporate leaders around the world and world leaders in the government positions, who have just, like, they love the fact that when the United States is in charge, everything goes smoothly.
	When the United States is strong, when it's strong economically, when it's strong militarily, when it's strong geopolitically, the rest of the world falls in order.
	And that's the reality.
	They know that's the case now.
	And that's why they are so eager to come to Mar-a-Lago and to make their pledges and to talk about doing new business with the United States.
	It's extraordinarily important.
	A little bit more from the press conference.
	And in fact, I'm going to skip down to number 14, or I'm sorry, to number 12 now, because it's closely related to getting the economy turned around on January 20th, like he said in Cut 8. President Trump said something that I am talking about on an everyday basis on my program here in Cleveland, and I... Quite frankly, don't think enough people are talking about when we talk about what are the true root causes of inflation.
	And there are a lot of them.
	Obviously, printing too much money and putting it into circulation is the biggest problem.
	You know, that's what happened with the quote-unquote Inflation Reduction Act and the Green News scam and all these other things.
	They're just printing money that we do not have and that has no backing.
	And you put so much money in play, it loses its value and inflation is the result.
	Yeah, we know that.
	But the biggest issue with inflation that President Trump talked about in that first clip is energy, which he'll talk about in this clip.
	Cut number 12, please.
	It's always hard to bring down prices when somebody else has screwed something up like they did.
	But we'll bring them down.
	We'll get them down.
	Energy is going to bring down prices.
	We're going to have a lot of energy.
	And energy is what brought it up.
	Energy and their bad spending is what brought it up.
	And energy is going to bring it down.
	We're going to have prices down.
	I think you're going to see some pretty drastic price reductions.
	Nobody talks about it, or at least not enough people talk about it.
	He's exactly right.
	The cost that it takes to run plants, factories, processing centers, when those costs go up because of Joe Biden's declared war on energy.
	Joe Biden and Kamala Harris came into office in 2021 declaring a war on fossil fuels.
	There are clips of Joe Biden saying it in a number of different places.
	Not press conferences, though, because he didn't like to do those.
	But speeches and commentary from the Oval Office and so forth.
	It was a war on fossil fuels.
	That's it.
	No new drilling.
	We're going to wipe out fossil fuels.
	We're going to replace all of the energy that they produce and provide with clean, renewable energy, they said.
	Or he said.
	Talking about wind, talking about solar, talking about all of this nonsense.
	Everything but fossil fuels and nuclear, which are the only things that really can provide us with what we need.
	But energy costs soaring at the manufacturing level and the processing level, added to at the transportation level with fuel costs.
	I mean, have we forgotten 2021 and 2022?
	When his decision to attack fossil fuels and oil futures...
	It led to, what, $5.50 a gallon national average?
	$5.50 a gallon?
	Wasn't it something like that?
	I don't know where you were.
	In California, it was over $7.00.
	But national average around $5.50.
	And even now today, what is it right now?
	Go look at your local gas or go to gasbuddy.com or one of these places.
	You're still going to find...
	320, 330, 340, 350 a gallon.
	Depending on, again, where you are, where you're listening to me around this great country right now, you're still paying that.
	Well, guess what?
	When the truckers have to pay that much to run those loads from the manufacturing and processing centers and farms to your shelves, do you think they can just absorb and eat that cost themselves?
	Of course they have to pass that cost on to you.
	It is about making energy more...
	Inexpensive, which is what we did and what he did and what they did in the first term.
	From 2017 through 2020, we were net exporters of energy for the first time in American history.
	Energy costs were bottoming out.
	A gallon of gas when Joe Biden left office, and this is even in COVID, a gallon of gas was $2.39.
	And now, like I said, even today, even though it's come down from that 550 peak, even today it's 320, 325, 330, 350, depending on where you are.
	So it's an extraordinary thing.
	President Trump hit all of the right notes in that press conference today.
	You know, that was extraordinarily important.
	And again, just the fact that he's willing to talk to the media and talk to the people is a marked difference from that of Joe Biden and his sidekick Kamala Harris.
	All right, gonna get a quick time out here.
	Then we're gonna come back and we're gonna dive right back into J6. Yesterday, J6 2025 is the four-year anniversary.
	We're gonna talk to a J6... Look
	at this!
	This is how history is made!
	Artisans, woodworkers, laborers, people of all stripes saying this is it!
	This is what we fought for!
	Oh my God, this is what we fought for 1776!
	Are you kidding me?
	This is what we fought for!
	This is what we fought for!
	This is what 1776 was all about.
	Can you feel the gleam?
	Yeah.
	Can you feel it?
	This is our house.
	Welcome to history, ladies and gentlemen.
	January 6th.
	2021. When we took our country back.
	When we said no more to the career politicians.
	No more to these commies.
	Not on my watch.
	Not on anybody's watch who's a patriot.
	Woo!
	Good God Almighty.
	Free at last.
	right back to the founding principles of liberty.
	Now, if you're listening to America First, that was the voice of a J6 defendant by the name of Trevor Cain.
	If you're watching on Rumble, or wherever it is that you might be, you saw Trevor marching through the rotunda, carrying a flag over one shoulder, holding his phone and taping himself, and everybody else that was in a very, very peaceful situation there.
	One that was not rife with vandalism, one that was not rife with violence.
	It was a bunch of people there marching, carrying flags, and yes, later on, we don't have that part of the clip here, singing, singing battle hymns of the republic, the battle hymn of the republic, for example.
	And these are people who are now either facing...
	Four, five, ten, twenty years in prison who have already been sentenced and President Trump is promising to pardon an extraordinarily large number of the J6 defendants.
	So the gentleman who was in that video slash audio that you just saw and heard, his name is Trevor Cain.
	He is a citizen and a patriot from Northeast Ohio where I do my regular show on WHK AM 1420 The Answer.
	Each and every day from nine until noon.
	Trevor is from Aurora, and he has been charged with a felony and several misdemeanors for his actions that day.
	His felony charge is obstruction of an official proceeding.
	That charge comes from, quote, disrupting the congressional certification of the 2020 presidential election results.
	Misdemeanors involve entering and remaining in restricted buildings or grounds, being disorderly or disruptive in any Capitol building.
	And the like.
	He's facing a massive prison sentence if indeed he is charged, or excuse me, if he is tried and convicted.
	Trevor Cain, thank you for coming on with us here on America First to tell the rest of the country the story you told Northeast Ohio this morning on my program.
	It's good to have you again.
	How are you today?
	Absolutely, man.
	Can you hear me?
	Loud and clear, Trevor.
	Loud and clear.
	And we heard you loud and clear as you were announcing the gleam that you felt and that you saw when you were marching that day.
	Tell us about your experience.
	Tell us a little bit more about what was going on through your head when you were doing that part that we just all heard and watched.
	Yeah, I realized later that was a little bit of Marty Schottenheimer coming through.
	I noticed that too.
	It's hilarious the things that come to you in a moment of inspiration.
	Yeah, there was a gleam that it's hard for, I know, for folks that weren't there, but you could feel history in the air.
	You really could feel the Patriots of old just encouraging us through the great cloud of witnesses, so to speak, and not only what we were facing from the COVID tyranny to why we were all there.
	Protesting the absurd 81 million votes that Biden, now we know, did not receive.
	And that evidence becomes clear day by day, especially after our epic recent victory.
	But yeah, the culmination of it all is incredible.
	And when we were there, I just kept saying that history was in the air.
	I had no idea that January 6th would be that intense.
	I thought maybe people would be talking about a couple months after we were in there, but no idea that I think that the leftist machine would make it their little pet project for the next four years.
	Trevor, I'm watching that video again right now, and I see the flag over your shoulder, and your right hand is on your phone.
	I'm wondering, where's your gun?
	Aren't you there to commit an insurrection?
	Where's your gun?
	That's the most insane thing, Bob.
	Like everything the left does, they don't care about language, the English language or definitions.
	But, you know, by definition, an insurrection is a violent overthrow of the government with arms, armed violent overthrow.
	And that would be, you know, like in 1776, the patriots were using the same arms that the British had.
	So if January 6th was an insurrection, then everybody would have showed up there, would have showed up with, at the very least, A-15s, and nobody did anything close to that because nothing about it was planned.
	It was all a total just off-the-cuff thing that happened.
	As I was telling you earlier, I had no idea I'd even be able to get close to the Capitol when I walked over there after Trump asked us to go there.
	So, Trevor, if you just turned us on, Trevor Cain is an American patriot who went to Washington, D.C. on January 6, 2021, to participate in the Stop the Steal rally, to peacefully and patriotically protest, as President Trump asked everybody to do.
	But when you all got to the Capitol, Trevor, that's when things changed a little bit.
	I want you to tell me what you know and what you observed about the feds who were in the crowd.
	You know, we have long argued, and people like you have long argued, We argued there were feds in there.
	These were not people who were part of MAGA, not people who were part of the protest or the demonstration.
	There were people that were telling you, let's go.
	Let's get in.
	Let's break it down.
	Let's get in there.
	We have to do these things.
	And that these were federal agents.
	Just recently, we finally got an admission from the FBI that, yeah, there were 26 federal agents that were a part of that crowd.
	And I want to know what role they played in instigating the events that led to what I believe is the entrapment of a whole bunch of political prisoners.
	Yeah, I mean, fellow J6ers have used the term fedsurrection, and that certainly seems to be more clear, especially after that recent release of what so many of us already knew.
	But when you were there, I mean, there were people that you could tell seemed sketchy, but for the most part, you know, you really...
	Did not know who actually was a Patriot and who wasn't.
	But now with these, you know, footage, like for example, there's that one famous footage of the guy who's all in black and he's on the west side and he breaks open the window even more so people can go in and kind of encourages people to do it.
	And then one Patriot comes up and tells him, no, we're not doing that.
	And then he proceeds to like fight that guy.
	So now, you know, it's really the...
	When now we're looking at the footage after the fact that we can tell who potentially was a Fed and who wasn't.
	But I didn't see anybody when I was there that seemed to be, you know, a little too, knew too much type of thing.
	Yeah, well, you know, Trevor, you obviously couldn't see everything because you couldn't be on multiple sides of the Capitol at the same time.
	And the part that you were in, obviously, you did not have that type of violence.
	You weren't on the same side where Ashley Babway was shot and so forth.
	But you did experience some things that nobody else could unless they were there.
	So I want you to hang on with me here.
	We have a timeout.
	I want to come back and I'm going to talk more about what you saw, what you did, and moreover, what have you been charged with?
	And what about the other J6 defendants?
	We'll talk with Trevor.
	As we continue on America First, Bob France in for Dr. G. 15
	seconds.
	Mic's off. - Pardon January 6th defendants.
	Are you planning to pardon those who were charged with violent offenses?
	Well, we're looking at it, and we have other people in there.
	And as you see, I guess 24 or 28 people came now from the FBI. That came out very quietly.
	Nobody reported it, but they had people in some form related to the FBI. They had four or five people that were strongly related to the FBI. We have to find out about that.
	We have to find out about Hezbollah.
	We have to find out about who exactly was in that whole thing, because people that did some bad things were not prosecuted.
	You know, I see it all the time, and you see it too.
	People that were doing some bad things weren't prosecuted, and people that didn't even walk into the building are in jail right now.
	So we'll be looking at the whole thing, but I'll be making major points.
	I think that got cut off at the end there, but it was supposed to say major pardons, yes.
	So answer to the reporter's question, there will be major pardons coming to a lot of the J6 defendants.
	So we continue now with Trevor Cain, who is one of those J6 defendants.
	He's from Northeast Ohio, where my show originates from.
	So Trevor, you said to me off the air that you want people to see some of the footage that you are posting on your Twitter page right now.
	And your Twitter, I'll give it to people, it's X, is LibertyMan underscore 1776.
	If you want to follow Trevor, Liberty, at LibertyMan underscore 1776.
	You said you're willing to share some of your video from that day, including what we played at the beginning of our conversation, because you're not scared anymore.
	What do you mean?
	It really just comes down to our epic win with Trump, getting back in there and the new sheriff in town.
	And now we do not have to be afraid of the insane communist style, you know, takedown that happened with all of us.
	The lawfare that Trump knows better than anybody.
	So he's been a great inspiration resisting all this these last four years.
	And now just, you know, now's the time to make sure that we let all the American public know whether they're patriots.
	You know, left-wing doesn't matter.
	I mean, some people will never believe the evidence of their own eyes or ears, unfortunately.
	But now's the time to unleash the truth about January 6th, is that it was a demonstration and a riot at the worst in certain places, but mostly peaceful, as the left likes to say.
	It truly was a mostly peaceful protest, Bob, and it was beautiful.
	We were hugging and crying and singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic inside.
	I have footage on there telling people to not vandalize anything, and thankfully there was a guy going around, had his head on a swivel, like, all right, we've got to make sure us patriots don't vandalize anything.
	And then I go on to say, which you'll see on my video on my ex-account, is that it was just common sense.
	We weren't going to go in there and destroy our beautiful paintings of Washington crossing the Delaware or any of the statues of Reagan.
	And that did not happen, and it was awesome.
	That it didn't happen.
	So now's the time to share.
	So the biggest thing you did, Trevor, is you were trespassing then.
	You didn't do anything.
	You didn't hit anybody.
	You didn't violate anybody.
	You didn't vandalize anything.
	That's right.
	But you're facing a long time in prison for your felony charge.
	What are you facing?
	Well, thankfully, because it's been such an insane long road, I'm not facing the felony more because the Supreme Court, once again, not only amazing shout-out to the founders of our republic, Trump, for putting in the Supreme Court justices, they struck that absurd 20-year felony down.
	1512 is the statute that they came.
	We can never forget that the lawfare Merrick Garland, a communist thug, came up using the Enron case, which was for white-collar crimes for when the feds were coming to your business, a 20-year felony, and they used that for us for just trespassing in the U.S. Capitol.
	And so I'm not facing that anymore, along with 350 other January Sixers, which I was one, including Trump, that was charged with that.
	And now, two, crazy enough, I actually had to plead guilty to parading, picketing, and being in a restricted area for them to sort of like really say, okay, now we won't try to use 1512 because they actually are still trying to use that 1512 felony.
	On some J6ers, but it's dead in the water, but that's how rabid that they are, is that even though the Supreme Court told them, sort of like with Trump's case, with the presidential immunity, this Mershon, perfect example, they don't care about the Supreme Court.
	They don't care about our Constitution, and you know that better than anybody, Bob, but when you experience it personally, that these people really are lunatic Marxists, and they don't care about our Constitution, they don't care about the rule of law, even though...
	They love that word democracy, which is what we are not a democracy, we're a republic.
	Thank you very much, which we pledge allegiance to on your show all the time.
	That's right.
	Well, Trevor, you know, I'm so glad to hear you telling the story.
	I'm so glad to know that you are not, even, you know, the pardon situation notwithstanding, the fact that you're not facing that felony in that 20 years anymore, and so many others are not either.
	But this road is not over, and even if that pardon from President Trump comes your way, along with thousands of others, potentially, you know, it still doesn't erase what was done to you guys.
	So I want to thank you for being a patriot.
	Thank you for coming on and sharing your story.
	Be well and be safe and stay free, my friend.
	and quite literally that last part.
	Thank you.
	I'm Seb Gorka.
	Now let's get back to the show with Bob France.
	All right, indeed.
	Dr. G, thank you.
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	But I also want to give you a couple of other clips.
	One thing I did not get to in President Trump's very, very...
	Thorough press conference today was the discussion he had.
	On the offshore drilling ban that Joe Biden is gifting him and the rest of us with on his way out the door.
	Joe Biden is salting the earth, is what he's doing, to make sure nothing can ever grow behind him.
	That's what he is doing here.
	By selling off border wall parts, by banning offshore drilling to try to hurt President Trump's energy revival and thus his campaign promise of reducing inflation and reducing costs, which will come with lower energy costs.
	I mean, everything that he's doing is intending to hurt the American people, allowing, you know, how about just even hurting them emotionally by, what's the word I'm looking for, commuting the sentences of all of those death row, what, 37 death row inmates to life in prison.
	You know, now he's releasing Guantanamo Bay prisoners as well so that he can close Gitmo.
	Everything he's doing is intending to hurt the American people on his way out the door because he's still so ticked.
	He's ticked at his own party for kicking him to the curb in favor of Kamala.
	And he's ticked off, of course, at President Trump for winning and planning to undo everything that Joe Biden and his cabal of Barack Obama acolytes did over the course of these last four years.
	He's so furious about it.
	So Trump talked about the offshore drilling ban and how he's going to unban that ban today.
	We didn't get that clip, but we do have that conversation he had with Hugh.
	So cut 11. It's ridiculous.
	I'll unban it immediately.
	I will unban it.
	I have the right to unban it immediately.
	What's he doing?
	Why is he doing it?
	You know, we have something that nobody else has.
	When I see somebody saying he's going to ban 625 million acres, he doesn't know what that is.
	He doesn't even know what 625 million acres would look like.
	And we can't let that happen to our country.
	It's really our greatest economic asset.
	And he's 100% right about that, of course, and the ability to drill baby drill, which is what he promised to do, is exactly what Joe Biden is trying to, you know, obstruct.
	You know, this peaceful transition, President Trump said it today during the presser, this peaceful transition, it was just talk.
	It's nothing but talk.
	He had no intention of being peaceful and helping the transition.
	He's getting in the way and being obstructionist in every way possible.
	And here's another example of that, too.
	Did you know this?
	The Free Beacon reporting on it.
	Biden quietly cracks down on water heaters.
	The Biden administration finalized climate regulations to ban most natural gas-powered instantaneous water heaters, which is another move that is going to do what?
	It's going to drive up costs for consumers.
	It's going to hurt every American that uses that type of water heater, and especially those who are poor.
	It's going to cost them.
	450 more dollars more on average when purchasing new water heaters thanks to the regulations.
	And that will impact low income and senior households which are most reliant on the models targeted by Biden's Department of Energy.
	So, on the way out the door, Biden is salting the earth.
	How can I get my vengeance for being booted out of my re-election chances?
	Well, simple.
	I'll make sure the guy behind me fails.
	I'll make sure the guy behind me who's coming in who said he was going to lower the cost of everything, I'll make sure that energy costs are through the roof and that everybody is paying more for everything so that he'll look bad and he'll be blamed when things don't go the way they were supposed to.
	Trump even said that in the one part of the clip when he said...
	You know, it's hard to bring down costs and bring down inflation when the guy before you screwed it up as badly as he did.
	And he's right.
	That is exactly what happened.
	But it's even worse when the man tries to, as I say, you know, kind of salt the earth on his way out.
	But it'll just be part of the legacy of the worst president of the United States.
	You know what?
	Jimmy Carter is being brought in to be, his body's going to be lying in state today.
	And they've been covering it all afternoon on TV. Jimmy Carter has widely been viewed as the worst president of my lifetime and maybe our lifetimes.
	You have to go back if you really want to do the history and see of all time.
	I honestly think I would prefer Jimmy Carter to Joe Biden.
	I think Joe Biden is the worst president because he's a worse person.
	He's a worse human being.
	I just don't think Carter knew what the hell he was doing.
	I think Jimmy Carter was over his head, and I think he was a nice man who did have good intentions, who just didn't know how to do it.
	I think different of Joe Biden.
	Joe Biden is not a good person.
	Joe Biden is an evil man.
	Joe Biden is a man who has been a racist for pretty much his entire public career.
	He's been a liar and a cheater, a plagiarist, taking credit for other people's work instead of doing it himself.
	Just about everything you can think of, everything that he did to Trump.
	He's just a vile human being.
	And I'll tell you this.
	I posted on my Facebook page.
	You can find my Facebook, Strictly Speaking USA. A picture of me the other day probably wearing my FJB hat.
	I got somebody in line.
	I was behind somebody in line.
	And they said, what's that?
	And I said, it's blank Joe Biden.
	And they said, do you not know the election's over?
	I said, do you not know I don't give a rat's A if it's over?
	I'm going to wear that hat for weeks.
	I'm going to wear that hat for months.
	I may wear that hat for years after Joe Biden leaves office.
	I may wear it until he leaves the earth.
	Because Joe Biden is a blight on this country.
	What Joe Biden did and the stuff that Joe Biden continues to do, selling off border wall parts for five cents on the dollar so that Trump can't keep his promises on stemming the flow of illegal immigrants into this country.
	What Joe Biden did was to harm the United States, not just for his time, but for all time.
	And he did so intentionally.
	As Tom Homan said, it wasn't as if Joe Biden just had some policies that happened to be incidentally or accidentally.
	Allowing millions of illegal aliens to come into this country.
	No, it wasn't an accident.
	It was intentional.
	It was on purpose, as Tom Holman has said many, many times.
	So I will probably wear my FJB Let's Go Brandon hat everywhere I can.
	And I don't care who's president.
	I want everybody to know that's what you should think of this guy.
	On his way out the door, that's his lasting gift to you, was higher prices and a harder job for President Trump to right the ship that he tried to sink.
	That's just the reality of it.
	What do you say we go out into the next break with another word from random-talking Trump doll?
	President Trump, what say you this time?
	Tomorrow they will say, Donald Trump rants and raves at the press.
	I'm not ranting and raving.
	I'm just telling you.
	You know, you're dishonest people.
	He said that today, too.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	I'm just loving this music so much.
	I'm loving this music.
	You guys do just such an amazing job.
	This team that Dr. G has put together, and I want to say thanks to them now before we get to the end of the show.
	Thanks to Eric and Jeff and Paul and Guy and Alex.
	An amazing job, and I just absolutely love the music.
	It's a great listen.
	I'll be with you the rest of the week, by the way.
	I shouldn't say that.
	I'll be with you tomorrow and Thursday.
	On Friday, Hugh Hewitt takes over in the afternoons in this America First slot.
	So you'll get Hugh Hewitt on Friday.
	But I'll be doing the last couple of shows for Dr. G as he heads into the Trump administration to help fight terrorism and to lead the counterterrorism force for President Trump.
	I want to go to California here on line one where Eric has been waiting ever so patiently to get on the air.
	Eric, thank you.
	You're on the air now.
	Go right ahead.
	It's a pleasure to talk to you.
	Yeah, my comment was about Mark Zuckerberg and his sudden change of heart.
	I was kind of wondering if it might have to do with, you know, remember that 1500-page government funding bill that fell through?
	Didn't it have, like, a portion in there that was going to, like, some sort of censorship bureau?
	Kind of made me wonder if that might kind of help fund all the censorship going on on the internet.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, it's a very, very valid question, and it's probably a part of it.
	I think there's a lot of pieces at work here, a lot of different elements to this, I think, that led him to make this decision, make this announcement, and to send one of his top board members to Fox& Friends this morning to talk about how committed they are to free speech and how committed they are to President Trump's agenda of transparency and all of this other nonsense.
	I think probably there is a financial aspect to it that you're talking about, and I think there is also just a...
	You know, it's a following the crowd thing.
	The social media and tech giants of America are all flocking to Mar-a-Lago to say, hey, Mr. President, how can we work together?
	And I think Zuckerberg wants to be a part of that.
	Frankly, I think he's tired of being dragged before congressional committees and grilled by members of Congress, conservative members of Congress and the House and the Senate, telling him how, you know, this is not going to stand and what you are doing is a violation of the First Amendment and so forth.
	So I think he fears retributive action, retributive action from members of Congress, and I think he's just trying to get on board with President Trump and to try to minimize any damage that he might incur.
	Yeah, that very well could be.
	I was just wondering if it did end up going through, maybe he would know at that point that Congress could have been more on his side and he might have still gone with what he was doing before.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, entirely possible.
	Entirely possible.
	I do.
	And thank you, my friend.
	Great call.
	I appreciate that.
	Do we have time for Sally in Cleveland?
	What's our time here, guys?
	I got 50 seconds.
	Sally, I'm going to give you 30 of them so that I can have 20 to say goodbye.
	Go ahead, Sally.
	Hi, Bob.
	My comment is about, I have a disabled friend with limited ability that used Facebook only as a means of socially connecting with others, and she got banned a few months ago.
	And that's the worst part about it, Sally.
	It's your friend and everybody else gets banned.
	They never know why.
	There's nobody to ask.
	There's nobody to talk to.
	They just ban you and say good luck.
	And they don't even say good luck.
	Hey, thanks everybody for listening and watching today.
	I'm Bob France in Cleveland, Ohio.
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