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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: The H1B visa debate

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	Mr. G, greetings.
	Happy Monday to you.
	Are you about to ask me if you're a workaholic?
	No, I'm about to ask you to explain to me why seemingly every Salem show I tune into is a recording and a best of.
	Because this is the week that nobody works.
	I think you're the only person, maybe some people did today, but last week you're the only person that didn't have a fill-in on any radio show.
	But this morning, as I was walking the dogs, I tuned in to Jen and Grant and KRLA, and it was a best-of!
	Monday morning!
	It's not Christmas!
	What's going on?
	Is everybody just lazy?
	It's because no one works, Chris, as a New Year's.
	Everyone goes away because people want to get in the warm weather.
	I know you don't like beaches.
	You don't like the warm weather.
	That's what people want to do.
	That's what people are doing.
	So do we have issues here?
	You know the team.
	Mr. G has the finger on the pulse.
	Eric is finally back.
	I don't know where he went.
	Eric, Guy, Paul, is everybody really annoyed at me that we're actually having a live show now?
	I loved it last week when we usually have six people.
	We had two.
	That was fun.
	But it was alright.
	It actually wasn't that bad.
	I mean, Guy had to, like, do this, you know, stretch his arms out and run between different mixing booths.
	I mean, it's hilarious.
	I mean, he did it.
	He did it.
	But what is it with radio?
	Do they think the world stops?
	It does seem like that.
	I know.
	What about our building?
	When you pulled into our building today, I mean, you know, full disclosure, we rent office space in a building, you know, in the swamp, and it's got government offices above us and below us.
	There's nobody in the building, Jeff.
	It's almost like the very, very beginning of COVID. Remember when nobody worked and we were the only ones that were?
	That's what it reminds me of.
	Oh my gosh.
	I just, I don't want to cast aspersions.
	I don't want to criticize my colleagues.
	But guys, it's radio!
	You can't do two weeks of canned radio.
	And especially, look, for me it's a little bit different, ladies and gentlemen.
	And happy Monday.
	Happy Monday.
	Because, you know, I've got a week left.
	This is it, guys.
	My last show.
	Eric, what's the date?
	What's the date of my last show?
	This is too perfect, as Jeff pointed out.
	The last date of you hosting America First on Salem Radio Network, 3 to 6 p.m.
	Eastern, is Monday, January 6th.
	And that was just an accident, guys.
	We didn't plan that.
	It's just I got stuff to do.
	Got to get ready for the NSC, for the White House, the National Security Council.
	So a week today.
	We'll be the last show.
	I'm going to cram some special guests in for the next week, say thanks to some people who've been so incredibly supportive.
	I cannot believe I just yesterday broadcast my last show on Newsmax.
	It was five years, just short of five years, that I had the Gawker reality check on Newsmax.
	Thank you to everybody there from Chris Ruddy on down.
	Elliot, Dave, my Newsmax producer, Jeff, who double-hatted as well, Hayley, Valeria, all the great guys I got to, and gals I got to guest host for, Rob Schmidt, Greg Kelly, the morning hosts, Lydia, Bianca, and I got one more week left here.
	So we're going to do some special things.
	We will open up the calls, and we're going to say thank you to those who supported us today.
	Like the team at Breitbart for the last six years.
	And we're going to talk about the future because life's going to get real very fast.
	Especially if you work in government and you're a member of the 94% of government employees who don't go into work in their offices.
	A certain person who will go unnamed is involved with one of the landing teams.
	When you're doing the transition from one president to another, you have people designated from the winning campaign to be on landing teams at the various government agencies to prepare the takeover.
	And this landing team went to a certain government agency, an important one.
	It's not agriculture.
	It's not education.
	It's something security-related.
	And they got a briefing from that government team and found out that of this important office with more than 40 people in it, more than 30 didn't come to work on a daily basis.
	Just teleworked.
	No, not anymore.
	And it's not just because of Doge.
	It's not just because of Elon and Vivek.
	It's because of President Trump.
	And we're going to be hitting the ground running with shock and awe on January the 20th.
	And one of the people who will be seminal in all of that is the great Tom Homan.
	He is the border czar.
	He'll be with me in the White House, right by the President's side, securing our national security and getting illegals out of the United States.
	And he has some things to say about, well...
	Well, let's start with his detractors.
	She, of the very strange elongated eyelashes, who got a little bit hot under the collar with regards to Marjorie Taylor Greene, She has a very strange take on the incoming border czar.
	This is Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett from Texas on Tom Homan Cut 5. Again, we have someone who doesn't know what he's doing and, you know, this idea of, oh, you know you're illegal and then you go out and have a child, it's not quite that simple, especially when you have people that are doing things like seeking asylum and people that are saying, listen, I'm just trying to make sure that I can live a better life.
	And you have, you know, Trump that goes out there, him and his minions, and they say things like, you know what, we're only going to get rid of the bad ones, right?
	And so people sit there and they're like, wait a minute, you're going to come to my job?
	Where I'm working and I may be paying into taxes or whatever, or my kids are at school.
	You know, I think that there's going to be a rude awakening really on all sides.
	Oh, Jasmine Crockett, you know so much about immigration.
	As opposed to the person who you says doesn't, who's served five presidents.
	has been a government servant, including at the Department of Homeland Security, including Acting Director of ICE, including at Customs and Border Protection for 30-plus years.
	Here's the reality, and here's the response from the great Tom Homan.
	Cut six.
	Well, look, I forgot more about this issue than you ever know.
	I mean, for God's sakes, I've been doing it 34 years.
	But look, there has been a rude awakening.
	A rude awakening was in November at the election.
	There was a rude awakening that American people are sick of an open border.
	American people are sick of illegal crime in this country.
	I mean, how many young women have to be raped and murdered and burned alive?
	How many MS-13 and Trenuaguaya have to be in our major cities committing crimes against U.S. citizens?
	How many angel moms and dads do we have to have in this country that lost their children at the hands of somebody that wasn't supposed to be here and they buried their children when I talk about family separation?
	Yeah.
	You want to talk about family separation?
	How about the children who died or were killed as they were smuggled across the border?
	Or killed by gang members here in the United States?
	The beautiful 12-year-old Jocelyn Nungere.
	That's permanent family separation.
	God bless you, Tom Homan.
	January the 20th can't come soon enough.
	Along with Governor Noem, along with Stephen Miller, along with Kash Patel, and all the others.
	It's going to be a very, very different Trump administration.
	And just wait until the afternoon of the 20th.
	I think President Trump's wrist may be a little tired by that evening with the number of executive orders he will be signing to bring back American greatness, secure our national sovereignty, and protect all Americans.
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	Yeah.
	You've got this book, right?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	I'll use cut nine with him.
	Uh-huh.
	And...
	What else?
	Alright.
	Hey, Mr. Marlow, can you hear us?
	Mr. Marlowe, are you there?
	Mr. Marlowe!
	Oh, and cut 10. Oh, 9 and 10. Okay.
	Goose!
	Has he still got the tash?
	No, he got rid of the tash.
	Oh, that's right.
	I'll try to hang up and dial him back.
	The person you are trying to reach is currently unavailable.
	Now it says he's unavailable.
	Please leave a message after the tone.
	When you have finished...
	Jeff will text him.
	Jeff will text him.
	Jeff will text him.
	Jeff will text him.
	No, he hasn't responded back to me.
	Hmm.
	Okay, Angel Tree at the top here.
	There he is.
	Alright, we are connected.
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	A drone?
	So it's the Marlows.
	They're responsible.
	They went to New Jersey.
	Yeah, yeah, no, honestly.
	And then my...
	So I got four.
	I got the two boys and two girls.
	One of my boys is the real he-him of the group.
	Oh, yeah?
	All right, cool.
	We'll talk about that.
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	Thank you.
	Welcome back to America First.
	And I want to say in front of our millions of listeners live across the nation, thanks for being such a member of the team for the last six years.
	Dr. G, this is sad now.
	I was so happy to get the call to be on your show, as always.
	I love being on your show.
	This is one of my absolute favorite shows on all of radio.
	I can't believe how good of a broadcaster you are.
	You're just a fantastic broadcaster, and you bring the heat.
	You're a warm person.
	You're going to be so missed.
	I love where you're going, and I know that the Trump administration won't last forever, and you'll be back in the airwaves one day, but I'm going to miss you personally, and thanks for all you've done for me over the years.
	Well, thank you kindly.
	I feel like, you know, I may have left Breitbart, wow, eight years ago to join the administration, but we're still members of the same team.
	And it's Team America.
	We're so excited to, you know, have Matt in his elevated position, not just as Washington bureau chief, but covering the White House.
	So I'm sure I'll be seeing Matt on a regular basis.
	Let's talk about changes.
	Let's talk about the outgoing Ancien Regime.
	Here we have the man who is allegedly the President of the United States being discussed by the superlative Lisa Booth.
	This is Cut10.
	Who is Joe Biden?
	Also, Joe Biden is a prolific liar.
	He has always been.
	He's one of the biggest liars in American history, and he's also going to go down as one of the most corrupt.
	I mean, how corrupt is it to sell out your fellow Americans to make a dime, to make a buck off of us, right, in the offices that you hold?
	We have these photos because America first legal through litigation against the National Archives and Records Administration, but we've long known that this is the game of the Biden family.
	Now you've literally written the book on the Biden clan, Breaking Biden.
	Everybody needs to get Breaking Biden.
	They lost this case.
	The archives lost this case.
	Photographs of Joe Biden with Hunter leveraging access to Xi Jinping of China.
	I gotta ask you, as people are talking about the legacy of Jimmy Carter, rest in peace, what's the real legacy going to be for Joe Biden?
	I don't want to put words into your mouth, but for me, it's got to be Afghanistan and the laptop.
	Yeah, those are going to be the big ones.
	I think the Afghanistan withdrawal is going to be big.
	And I think the willingness to sell out the American people...
	It's going to be huge.
	We're just starting to get a sense of all of Hunter Biden's crimes, and I just hope that Republicans don't feel like just because he was pardoned that we shouldn't continue to look into him.
	But if you notice the broad scope of the pardon, the most widespread in American history, all of this shows what I believe to be true, which is that he's still involved deeply with Chinese businesses, and he continues to make equity, has equity stakes and makes probably eight figures worth of money.
	From the Chinese government and Chinese government-blessed businesses.
	And we just haven't figured that out yet because we haven't been able to look.
	I don't have that sort of access as an independent journalist.
	But he absolutely is one of the most corrupt politicians in the history of the country.
	He is one of the biggest liars in the history of the country.
	And he's a bad guy.
	Whatever you say about Jimmy Carter, Jimmy Carter was a terrible president, terrible post-president.
	No one says he's a bad guy.
	I spent way too long Researching Joe Biden and all the evidence points in one direction.
	He's a bad person and he raises bad people.
	So, a lot of people who aren't attorneys looked at that pardon and they said, well, it's this unprecedented pardon for Hunter Biden going back a decade, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And it basically means the whole clan gets off.
	I've read it.
	It doesn't apply to anybody else.
	It applies to him and crimes he committed.
	If we don't see a raft of pardons for James Biden, Frank Biden, for the president himself...
	There's nothing to stop President Trump, Kash Patel, Pam Bondi, and the Republicans on the Hill getting to the bottom of all this in the next four years, is there?
	Yeah, there's not.
	I feel like President Trump, though, wants to be a unifying figure, and he wants to be a president for everyone.
	He's not committed to the Republican Party, and I love that about President Trump.
	And I say this, Dr. G, as a guy who registered as a Republican when I was 18 and never unregistered.
	Well, what does that mean?
	That's interesting.
	So unpack that.
	I love this.
	Yeah.
	It really is important.
	He's not...
	President Trump is not committed to the Republican Party because this is the incredible situation that President Trump is now coming in as a second president, but he's doing so with the mantle of still being an outsider, Alex.
	That's right.
	It makes my heart sing to talk about this.
	It really does.
	It makes me so happy because...
	Part of what I love about President Trump is that he sees the Republican Party as a vehicle to get done good stuff for this country.
	And if you want to change the name of the party to the Pizza French Fry Party, and that was the best way to get stuff done, he wouldn't care.
	He's just trying to get stuff done for this country.
	And I say this as a Republican, who's always been a Republican, I love that he doesn't care about the party.
	He cares about the values.
	And I find this to be so profound.
	It's fascinating.
	It's fascinating.
	I've never thought of it that closely, but he's never said things that are about shielding the party or burnishing the party.
	Not once.
	It's about America.
	He's the greatest Republican of my lifetime and without any allegiance to the Republican Party.
	Doesn't that say something about politics in Washington?
	Yeah.
	So to that end, how is he going to walk the tightrope?
	We see the endorsement of Mike Johnson today.
	Is he going to be the outsider who happens to be in the White House, who's having to corral the Republicans on the Hill?
	What's their expectation for the next four years?
	Yeah, unfortunately, I feel like in some of his efforts to try to be the president for everyone, which is his job, and I understand it, I'm afraid that he won't end up doing some of the more hardcore stuff like investing in the Biden brothers, which he should.
	Between the two of them, they've fleeced charter schools, they have businesses in Iraq, and they've got businesses in Costa Rica and all over the world they are just they pop up and all of a sudden they're making money and it's all through government deals and I would love all that to be unpacked.
	I don't know if he's gonna care to do that because he wants to get stuff done that really cements his legacy and not just Everything they say about Trump is not true.
	He's not vindictive.
	He wants to move ahead.
	He's trying to move forward and trying to help the country.
	If he were vindictive, Hillary would be in a supermax right now for the rest of her life.
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	We're going to continue the discussion in the break.
	We've got to talk H1. What is it?
	H-1B visas?
	We're going to discuss that as well.
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	We'll be back with Alex Marlowe after these messages.
	Let's do this for the Rumble audience.
	We've got a couple of conventional wisdoms with regards to Elon Vivek, the president and the MAGA base.
	Do you subscribe to the, this is a storm in a teacup, we're only talking about 75,000 visas anyway, or is this the left trying to put a cleavage point between Elon and the president, or is it more significant in your take?
	Oh, hang on.
	Good.
	Carry on.
	Go ahead.
	You're good.
	You're good.
	Yeah, I think it's a first principles issue.
	We don't like the H-1B program.
	It's rife for corruption.
	It's designed specifically to benefit the corporate hotshots so that they can import cheaper labor to undermine Americans and American families who are a part of our system.
	So the program's a disgrace, and anyone who backs the program is not in tune with the Americaverse movement.
	And the statement that Vivek put out, which I spent a lot of time on my podcast today, breaking down the Alex Marlowe show, which we should plug that with you.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	I want to share it.
	The statement is it's idiotic, and Vivek is a very bright guy.
	I like him a lot as a person.
	But this is – he did not workshop this statement.
	It's the – we're spending too much time watching Friends and going to sleepovers, and that's the problem with this country.
	It's just – it's the – we lead the world in every single major factor, and there's no one catching us.
	Yeah, we want to be better, but we don't need to import a bunch of people to do jobs that Americans are already doing for a slightly cheaper rate because we watch Friends too much.
	I don't know how...
	Someone let him go live with this.
	So I find it to be pretty disturbing.
	But what you put it down to, is it ideological?
	Is it he's just out of touch?
	What is it?
	Out of touch, yeah, because he's a CEO. And we're not corporatists.
	Part of the America First movement, Dr. G, that's so important, is that we're led by the people.
	We're not by the corporations and for the corporations.
	And the path to a meaningful life is not through just working 80 hours a week for Facebook.
	That's not it.
	And that's sort of what's implied here.
	And when you see these people trying to cut the Gordian knot and say, well, the education system is so crap that we don't have Americans who are qualified in those numbers, what's your response to that?
	It's not that many.
	Of course there's Americans qualified in those numbers.
	I mean, that's the whole point.
	If it's 100,000 people, of course there's 100,000 Americans who do these jobs.
	They just want 10% more money.
	I mean, it's the open secret, and everyone knows it.
	But Americans are – we're individuals, and so we're tougher to – There's a bigger point here.
	It's the philosophical point.
	As you said, it's about Americans.
	It's not just about the economy.
	And that's what MAGA is really about.
	It's about the people, right?
	Yeah, if you look at America as an economy, you completely understand where Musk and Vivek are coming from.
	And I understand it.
	I got to hit that very quickly at the beginning because that's so good.
	And then we'll do the Jennifer Rubin thing because that's also too good.
	All right.
	I also think it blew up way more because of the way Vivek wrote that thing.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The sloppy way.
	Terrible statement.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	30 seconds.
	Pillow.
	Yep.
	All right.
	Kill mics.
	Yep.
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	I love it.
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	They always have.
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	OK, I've got to squeeze in two topics very quickly.
	First, we discussed it in the break.
	The H-1B visa issue is best understood.
	I love what you said.
	You've got to go beyond economics.
	We have to understand that America First is about the people, not just the bottom line.
	Right, Alex?
	Yeah, exactly right.
	If you look at America purely as an economy, as a lot of the globalists who have led our country over the past several decades do, then you understand the H-1Bs because you import people who are going to undercut wages by 10% or so that allows the corporations to have a little bit more budget to do whatever R&D they're going to do, increase CEO pay, whatever they feel like doing, it's their right to do that.
	And a lot of Americans feel like that's the way to go.
	But most Americans, according to the polls, don't like that.
	They think of America as a home, as a nation, as a culture, as a country, all those things.
	And people make up those things.
	And people who are individuals...
	Deserve to have dignity and respect, and part of that means that if you're part of a culture and a fabric of a country for decades or generations, you don't have your job taken by someone who does the exact same work for 10% lower wage because they are willing to do so and you're able to import them.
	It's toxic for a culture.
	We already had this debate, Dr. G, 10 years ago, and our side won out, but we have to have it again today.
	That's such a good point.
	We've had this debate already.
	All right.
	She may be.
	There's a lot of candidates.
	A TDS candidate is patient zero.
	Who knows?
	But Jennifer Rubin just topped all of her lunacy with her just utter insult of 77 million Americans.
	Cut nine.
	Why would ABC, Disney, the mouse, who has more money than God, settle with Donald Trump?
	I honestly don't know.
	You know, I've asked, why would ABC? But people ask me all the time, why is the media so mamsy-pamsy?
	And there are two explanations.
	One is, they are convinced that if they would just move a little bit to the right, all those MAGA readers out there...
	Now, you'll notice the contradiction in terms.
	MAGA readers would...
	Pick up the Washington Post and they would have more readers.
	What is the logical fallacy here?
	Yes, reader.
	I'm still trying to work out what Namzy Pamzy is.
	MAGA readers.
	Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
	Isn't it delicious that they've learned nothing and they're actually digging themselves deeper, Alex?
	Yeah, well, the elitism and the condescension is really bad.
	I mean, if you think about...
	Mark Levin's American Marxism sold over a million copies.
	I got a new book deal.
	I got my third book deal from a major publisher from Simon& Schuster, one of the biggest in the game.
	Why do you think they're giving me book deals?
	Because conservatives buy books.
	MAGA people buy books and we read them.
	So I don't know...
	It's just not true that we're not readers.
	We're actually an intellectual movement.
	It's part of why we're having this H-1B debate, because people are actually coached up on the issue.
	They've been reading about it for a long time.
	So what does that mean?
	In two years, it's going to be an even bigger trancing for the Democrats, Alex?
	I think so.
	Wow.
	If Trump does, keeps his promises, I think so.
	But I just love Jennifer Rubin.
	I hope she doesn't go away.
	I like to play a palate cleanser on the Alex Marlowe show of her saying, Republicans want to kill your kids.
	Whenever I need a segue and I don't have a good one, I'll play that.
	Her just saying, Republicans want to kill your kids.
	She's so out of it.
	And I hope they keep giving her platforms.
	I don't know why they keep doing it.
	These people failed the left, but they keep doing it.
	And I think we're going to benefit in the talk radio world because of it.
	Did you see the little flex there?
	I just got a book deal from one of the big guys.
	Why?
	Because he's our latest podcaster here on Salem.
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	I mean, they must...
	The fact that they talk like that...
	Yeah, no, it's great.
	They don't talk to any of us at all.
	They're just so...
	They just must be so, so bubbled.
	I just don't know.
	What are they afraid of?
	They're afraid that we'll be nice and interesting and smart, I think.
	All right, buddy.
	That's it.
	I thank you for all the support.
	Well, thank you.
	I want to say thanks again.
	And best of luck, and we'll...
	We'll be in touch on other terms.
	You'll be hopefully made available to do interviews to explain what's going on in the world to me.
	Oh, I think Mike will do that.
	I think the president wants me out there.
	So I don't plan to be a stranger.
	Not to you guys.
	Good.
	Okay, good.
	Well, thank you for all the promotion and onward and upward.
	God bless.
	Thanks, Gorka team.
	God bless.
	You want to include that bit?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Alrighty.
	And I just need titles for that and the monologue.
	And John's connected?
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	Alrighty.
	He's connected now.
	90 seconds.
	Is John's audio working?
	Oh.
	Who's Mark Harris, incoming congressman?
	That's North Carolina 8. He's one of my favorites.
	Why?
	He's a pretty good guy.
	He's a social conservative who was a big spearhead of the last statewide proposition to ban gay marriage before that Obergefell ruling came out.
	He ran before in 2018 and they stole it from him, the Democrats.
	He narrowly won by like 900 votes.
	Oh, there he is.
	Hey, buddy.
	How are you?
	Good, good, good, good.
	Good.
	I have a little difficulty hearing you guys with audio.
	My audio level is pretty low.
	Okay, I'll talk very loud.
	A little louder, but both of them are low.
	Can you hear me now, John?
	Can you hear me?
	One, two, three, four, five, six.
	Yeah, Seb, I can barely hear you.
	Like, you're really super faint.
	Now, we're good on our side.
	Other sounds are coming in fine.
	Bring that up a little bit.
	All right, try it there.
	All right, try it now, Seb.
	One, two.
	There we are.
	Good.
	We got it.
	Good.
	I got a question about the Speaker of the House.
	What are you breaking?
	What are you working on, John?
	I'm working on a lot of visa fraud.
	Oh, good.
	Okay, good.
	All right.
	Stand by, by the way.
	- We'll have a speaker, and there are a lot of great people that'd be willing to step up.
	If Speaker Johnson cannot work with the members and convince them.
	I think most people just want to have some courage and leadership and really can follow through on some promises that he didn't.
	You know, so I think if he doesn't want to do it, then he cannot govern this institution because you can be a speaker, but how are you going to govern if you don't have trust of members and a very, very tight majority?
	You need to work with people.
	So we will have a speaker.
	I have no doubt about that.
	And we will have a good speaker.
	But I think speaker needs to have commitments to the American people to deliver on the agenda.
	Oh, deja vu all over again.
	Victoria Sparks saying, does this guy have what it takes?
	Well, Speaker Johnson was given an endorsement today by President Trump.
	Before the electoral college verification on January the 6th, there will be the new Congress convened on Friday the 3rd.
	And they'll have to vote on a new speaker.
	What will his strength be in that position?
	We will ask our guest momentarily.
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	John Solomon, happy Christmas and Merry New Year.
	Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
	It's back at you.
	And I'll tell you what, I'm going to miss doing this when you're in the White House, but I know you've got a bigger public service to follow.
	Well, it's super exciting.
	I can't wait.
	I've been examining, writing and teaching about counterterrorism for about a quarter of a century.
	Now we actually get to do it for the president.
	Let's talk about the Speaker of the House.
	This is the kind of Catch-22.
	Very few people want the job of herding cats.
	Is the President's endorsement today, is that going to make it easy for the first day of Congress for Speaker Johnson?
	What's your prediction?
	It'll make it easier.
	Obviously, the President's in his honeymoon period.
	I don't think a lot of members of Congress want to Tripped that up unnecessarily, but Mike Johnson has to do more than say, hey, Donald Trump likes me or he's endorsed me.
	He's got to show the caucus how he gets the things achieved that he failed to get done in 2023 and 2024. He didn't cut the size of government.
	He didn't get regular business order.
	He didn't get the border closed.
	Now, he had a problem.
	The Senate was in Democrat hands, but he didn't achieve very much in that first term That was on the checklist that was promised to the American people when Republicans first took back control of the House in late 2022. So he's got to put more than just a little bit of Donald Trump's behind me, I get it, into his repertoire.
	And I think that will be some very specific information about Where cuts are, the size of cuts, when budget bills will be due.
	Will a full budget bill pass the House for the first time in two and a half decades?
	Those sort of things are going to matter between now and January 2nd.
	Now, he's leaving, the Speaker's leaving, to go down and spend the day with President Trump On January 1st, we're going to spend New Year's Day together.
	Why is that important?
	It isn't about getting the endorsement.
	Donald Trump's already delivered that.
	It's about getting the specifics ironed out between the president-elect and the speaker so they can come back to the caucus and say, we're going to do these things.
	The president's got our back.
	We're going to do it, and we're going to make good on the promises we may have failed to do two years ago.
	Now, Mike Johnson's job's a little easier because the Senate's in Republican hands, but the Senate's still an unpredictable chamber.
	And I think at this point right now, Mike Johnson has to have specifics about what he's going to get done that he could be held accountable for if he fails.
	I think that gets laid out in Mar-a-Lago and he brings it back to Washington on the second.
	Well, let's talk about the broader tent, not just on Capitol Hill, but the new faces coming in.
	We have the billionaire Elon Musk.
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	You know you can diagnose this better than anyone else.
	The H-1B visa kerfuffle over the weekend, and we're really talking about only 70,000 visas that are in this category.
	It's not like the millions that have flooded the nation in the last four years.
	How much of what we're witnessing...
	Is really a difference on policy principles, John?
	And how much do you see it as legacy media saying, oh, we need the clicks, we need to make it look as if the new incoming administration already has fissures in it?
	How do you divide that equation?
	Well, the media's loving it, right?
	And I think the fact that both sides and the conservatives give that fodder to the media at this point, probably a bad thing.
	Let's think about this.
	The fighting over H1B visas, which I understand the principle about, I also understand the concerns about fraud.
	I got a good story coming out that shows just how fraudulent this program has been.
	But it's like trying to fix a leaky sink when the dam down the street just broke and the water's been rushing down besides you.
	You're focused on the wrong thing.
	The American people want that border closed first.
	They want some assurances on that.
	You can deal with H-1B visas down the road.
	The business community is going to demand that they stick around.
	They do play a role in the economy.
	There can be some improvements with fraud.
	But I do think that the Steve Bannon side of this sort of gave a fight to the media and the sense of dissension where there's very little dissension.
	They can fix these things behind closed doors.
	It didn't have to be the sort of fight that's been playing out in the media.
	That said, President Trump put it to rest himself.
	And I know one thing.
	President Trump's not distracted one bit by this.
	He's focused on the big stuff, the border, inflation, energy, and I bet you on January 2nd, 3rd, and 4th, when the Congress gets to work, H-1B visas won't be at the top of the list of things that Congress is worried about.
	So I do think that there are some legitimate concerns, but it's such a small issue when so much larger is at stake in America right now.
	And also, and I'm sure you can back me up here, if you look at the first four years of the first Trump administration, when it comes to the big ticket items, one guy decided, and it was the commander-in-chief.
	I think that's going to be doubly so for the next four years, John, don't you?
	That's right.
	I totally agree.
	Listen, Laura Loomer and Steve Bannon could have all the fun they want on television, but the president is looking at why the American people elected him.
	He's going to stay focused.
	He said promises made, promises delivered.
	And it's amazing that just before Jimmy Carter passed this past weekend, the president had the prescience enough to go out and say, we need to create a new geography of security for America.
	That might involve Greenland.
	It might involve Canada.
	It certainly involves the Panama Canal, which Jimmy Carter gave away.
	One of the amazing things that Donald Trump has an opportunity to do this presidency is to fix the two or three or four things that Jimmy Carter's presidency most inflicted on the nation that we still suffer from today.
	The Education Department, the Panama Canal, Iran, and also Democrats' tendency to try to seek peace through appeasement, which has never worked in the history of the world, certainly never worked in the history of America.
	Donald Trump could fix all of Jimmy Carter's lingering 40-, 50-year issues.
	This presidency, that's a lot bigger than just H-1B visas.
	Bingo.
	That's why he's John Solomon.
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	The H-1B visa argument is irrelevant.
	Yep.
	then Marlowe they just keep getting it wrong so Yep.
	And then...
	Monologue.
	Monologue.
	First half was you and Jeff talking about, like, hosts on vacation for Christmas and then the Tom Holman and Jasmine Crockett thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Rep Crockett's hilarious criticism of Tom Homan.
	All righty.
	Alrighty.
	30 seconds.
	Not coming with any cuts.
	No.
	Okay.
	Okay, podcast.
	Podcast.
	I'm sorry.
	It's so funny to listen.
	I'm laughing so hard about the Swalwell story.
	I got sidetracked.
	You're still laughing at President Swalwell and his lack of control?
	I'm trying to think of the nickname that President Trump will come up with for him.
	Oh, yes.
	You know it's coming, don't you?
	Oh, it's sneaking out right now.
	Hey, listen, I wanted to thank you.
	It's sneaking out?
	You cheeky girl.
	Oh, terrible word.
	Sorry.
	You know, you kind of switch to the stations and you hear your voice.
	You're like the Barry White of conservative talk radio.
	We get the best listeners.
	Eric Swallow is just sneaking out.
	Oh, behave!
	Oh, the Barry White of Talk Radio.
	God bless you all.
	I'm going to miss you guys.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Joe, Line 1, Illinois.
	Dr. G, when Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal away for a buck, I don't think he ever envisioned this president of Panama being so belligerent, you know, to the point where we have to threaten him?
	Can Trump bring him to the White House and maybe try to talk some sense into this guy?
	Or, you know...
	It's a military asset, Dr. G. It's a national security asset, a national economic asset.
	It's a maritime thoroughfare, absolutely.
	But you know the president will fix it, Joe.
	You know that, right?
	And depending on the Chinese letting our ships through is just ridiculous.
	Yeah, the fact that both ends of the Panama Canal are controlled by Chinese corporations is absolute insanity.
	Don't worry, Joe, President Trump is on the case.
	Franklin, San Jose, line two.
	Dr. Gorka, now that the Democrats have confirmed all those federal judges...
	You know, and shown the Democratic Party to be a bastion for the working man, what I think we should do is we should follow the sage political wisdom of Kamala Harris and AOC and Chuck Schumer and Jamie Raskin and all those good Democrats should force President Trump to increase the size of the Supreme Court.
	To say like 12 or maybe 15. And then finally the Supreme Court will be a tool of the working people and not, you know, toadies for the billionaire elite class.
	And then you can break up the Ninth Circuit, that right-wing Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
	Then we can have an America for the working man.
	Well, let me think about that.
	Usually I don't like using Democrat tactics because they're based on immorality.
	The ends justifies the means.
	Let me ponder that one, frankly, and that's an interesting suggestion.
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	Can you believe it?
	They are saying that they don't agree with America first.
	How do you say that?
	Magnificent.
	I'm in a bind here, Mr. G. I need your subtle diplomatic advice.
	Are you willing to take on a very thorny question?
	Let's go.
	I'm taking my life in my hands.
	If somebody dies...
	And they're famous.
	And you really don't have anything good to say about them.
	Do you have to say something nice?
	No.
	It's best just to leave it alone.
	Okay, thank you.
	That's the permission I wanted.
	Eric, would you concur?
	I think Jeff's answer pretty much sums it up nicely.
	Because what can you say about James Earl Carter?
	I mean, really.
	What a disastrous president.
	The best thing you can say about him is that he only had one term.
	And that maybe he wasn't evil, but my gosh, did he create problems for America.
	He did make Ronald Reagan possible.
	So let's thank him for that past at the age of 100. Alright, let's talk about the incumbent President of the United States.
	I just found this clip a two-parter this morning.
	It's from 1987. If you're wondering who President Trump has become, you don't need to.
	Because nigh on 40 years ago, he was saying the same things.
	Listen to what he said to David Letterman almost 40 years ago.
	Donald Trump, cut 12. And what about the, are people trying to draft you to run for president up in New Hampshire?
	Well, I guess a lot of people want to see this country.
	It's a shame what's happening.
	Japan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, they're all, everybody's taking advantage of the United States.
	People know that if certain people are running a country, that it won't happen.
	I mean, when you look at Japan not paying for the defense, we're defending Japan.
	We're losing billions and billions of dollars.
	We're fighting for AIDS help and for farmers and for this and that.
	And it's a shame.
	And the Japanese folks, who I respect greatly, but they're not treating us fairly.
	They're really not treating us fairly.
	Saudi Arabia.
	They're not paying us anything for the services we're rendering.
	And I think it's a disgrace.
	And I think people look at certain people, and maybe me, if I were in a position, this country, believe me, would not be ripped off like it is.
	And it is just being ripped off so badly by our so-called allies.
	So that's a pretty strong statement.
	I don't think it's strong.
	I think it's fair.
	And by the way, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese.
	I do a lot of business with the Japanese.
	And they smile about it too.
	They know it.
	The country is losing billions and billions of dollars to Japan and we can't afford to lose.
	And it's a shame.
	How stunning is that, Eric?
	That 40 years ago he nailed what was wrong with geopolitics.
	He's nothing if not consistent.
	He has been talking about this since the 80s.
	He's been talking about China ripping us off on trade.
	I love clips like this.
	The joke is we call them vintage Trump because it's from so long ago.
	He looks so much younger and he still looks great even today.
	And to hear him say the exact same things that he's saying in his rallies now and probably may mention the inauguration speech, this is a man who has always put America first.
	He's 78 years old, and I'm not going to give away any names, but I was talking to a member of the cabinet who said to me, he said, I can't keep up with the guy.
	This guy's, what, 30 years younger than him.
	I can't keep up with him.
	Truly, truly stunning.
	But he has changed, maybe, in one respect.
	And that's with regards to what happened after he was shot in the head by a Democrat donor in Butler, Pennsylvania, because he didn't talk very much about God or faith in the past.
	This is from a rally in North Carolina.
	Excuse the little bit of cheesy music in the background, but this is such a great, great clip where the man who I call the boss, and we'll be working for again imminently, Talks about his boss, our boss, the big boss, Cut 11. Do all you want, but you know, you still need help from the boss.
	We need help from the boss.
	That's what happened.
	We need help.
	Right?
	Yeah, we need help.
	It's all right to say.
	Now, they'll criticize me for that.
	How dare he say that?
	How dare he say that?
	No, I'll say it.
	I'll say it.
	I'll say it.
	Somebody said to me the other day, you're the most famous person in the world by far.
	I said, no, I'm not.
	No, I'm not.
	They said, yes, you are.
	I said, no.
	They said, who's more famous?
	I said, Jesus Christ.
	That's before Butler, Pennsylvania, one of the rare occasions where he spoke about it.
	And since Butler, Pennsylvania, he said he believes that he was put here saved by God for a purpose, for a reason.
	Why?
	Well, just look at what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
	The chart on immigration statistics.
	That saved his life, which is always, always mentioned at the end of his speeches, is usually projected to President Trump's left.
	He mentioned it at the beginning, and this time, unusually, it was on a jumbotron to his right.
	So he turned just a little to the right.
	Just as that Democrat donor pulled the trigger.
	Is that not an act of God?
	Literally one-eighth of an inch made all the difference.
	He was shot in the head.
	He came up bleeding.
	Divine intervention.
	I think we have all the dispositive proof we need.
	In the meantime, incredibly, this man is the current Commander-in-Chief, and he's talking.
	Do you remember when he said, I'd like to beat up Trump?
	I'd like to smack him in the mouth.
	Do you remember?
	Joe Biden?
	He's lecturing President Trump on decency?
	On the death of Jimmy Carter?
	Listen also to the way he speaks and ask yourself, what is the culpability of the mainstream lying legacy media in covering up the mental and physical incompetence Of Joe Biden.
	This is the current president talking about Jimmy Carter and President Trump.
	Cut to.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I have any President of the Cross to take from President Carter?
	Pardon?
	Decency.
	Decency.
	Decency. Decency. Decency.
	Everybody deserves a shot.
	Everybody.
	Can you imagine Jimmy Carter Walk and buy someone and you need something and just keep walking.
	Can you imagine Jimmy Carter referring to someone by the way they look or where they talk?
	I can't.
	I can't.
	You know, I think the end of the deal here is that one of the reasons why we're looked to by the rest of the world with a bulk of our Jeff, that's one of the worst clips I've seen of him.
	And I don't mean what he's saying, just physically.
	That's why I let it go on.
	I was wondering, he said the thing, and then you see this guy just mumble, mumble, mumble.
	And what is he even talking about?
	Walk past somebody.
	What is he referring to?
	I have no idea, but he looks horrible in there, too.
	And the funny thing is...
	Zoom out, they show a picture of Jimmy Carter who was like 97 or 98. He looks better.
	And they look the exact same.
	They look the exact same in the picture.
	And of course, never say mean things about people.
	Like, what was it?
	Was it Independence Hall where he called half of America fascists?
	Yeah, that was a nice one.
	That was a nice one.
	The MAGA threat.
	The MAGA threat.
	No, no, no.
	The MAGA extremists.
	That's right, yeah.
	MAGA extremists.
	Unbelievable.
	But it's almost there, guys.
	Just over three weeks to go.
	Are you excited?
	What are you going to wear for Inauguration Day?
	At least underneath my suit and tie, I'm going to have a Trump t-shirt, and it might be this one.
	Thanks to our dear caller who designed it.
	What a genius idea.
	President Trump driving the garbage truck up to the White House to take out the trash with just the phrase, he's back.
	Or the Kamala, you're fired.
	President Trump is Uncle Sam.
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	Hmm.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	You've got images of B-roll, but as B-roll, right?
	Okay, good.
	Sheriff Lamb!
	How are you doing, Sebastian?
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	How was your Christmas?
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	The kids came home.
	It was great.
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	All right, I'm going to play one clip from Tom, and we'll have some B-roll of our visit to see you in the background, and we're just going to talk about what you expect after January the 20th.
	Okay, sounds good.
	Good.
	Yeah, Angel Tree.
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	I'll see you next time.
	is still really popular, even in the internet age.
	What you are about to hear them say is mind-boggling.
	Here's looking at you, Snowflake.
	America first.
	It's only mind-boggling if you're Brian Stelter.
	If you have...
	A brain?
	And if you believe it, America, it's not mind-boggling at all.
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	One person who's been a stalwart supporter of the show, who we have been delighted to highlight in his incredible work in Pinal County.
	A man who invited Mr. G and myself down there to see what on earth was happening under the Biden administration is our good friend, Sheriff Mark Lamb.
	Sheriff Lamb, have you shot any more Rattlers since you decapitated that one that tried to sneak up on us and Mr. G when we were there?
	No, you know, like I told you back when we came, you came down the first time.
	I never saw him.
	I told you to watch out for him.
	And on that trip, we happened to run across one.
	Since then, I haven't run across any other ones.
	Alright, let's talk about what you have run across in an inordinate number, and that is, of course, the smugglers, the coyotes.
	I presume, since we came down there, I think around COVID time, it's just gotten worse, Sheriff?
	Oh, it's gotten exponentially worse, Sebastian.
	Over the last three and a half, four years, it's gotten really bad.
	You know, we saw that Joe Biden finally did something a few months ago, only because they wanted to win the election.
	So they pretended like now they were going to care about the border.
	And we did see that start to curb the numbers some.
	But they're still consistently coming in in the Tucson sector, about 1,800 apprehensions a week.
	The big problem is, is the gotaways.
	And we're still seeing a ton of those.
	We were on our helicopter the other day.
	Flying the smuggling routes, flying down in some of those trafficked areas.
	Good news is they've closed off those gaps where a lot of these people were coming through.
	We're not seeing a ton of the scouts on the other side, but we are getting traffic still coming into the desert areas and we're still getting those gotaways.
	Can you repeat what you told us when we were down there with Mr. G? This shocking phenomena.
	People think, oh, it's the cartels, it's the coyotes that are smuggling in, the human beings, the fentanyl, the weapons.
	But no, they advertise online to have American citizens Travel to the border and become the ferry service.
	Can you talk about how much of a massive business this is with U.S. citizens involved as well, Sheriff?
	Well, the cartels are very smart, Sebastian.
	You know this.
	What they do is they try to distance themselves as much as possible from the trafficking of humans and drugs.
	And to do that, they use American citizens.
	And even worse than that is they typically engage with juveniles.
	They target juveniles on Snapchat, on other social media platforms, and they pay them $1,000 per body to traffic drugs in.
	To prove my point, in Cochise County, which is right on the border, Cochise County, they had 3,400 arrests for border-related crimes under the Biden administration.
	Guess how many of them were actually illegals?
	Less than two.
	Of those 3,400 were illegals.
	That means that the majority of them were American citizens that the cartels were paying and engaging in their transnational criminal organizations.
	And I don't think Americans understand just how dangerous that is and just how bad it is for Americans in our youth.
	They are using American citizens to do their dirty work and it has to stop.
	So talk to us from a realistic perspective as somebody who, with his deputies, actually has to secure Pinal County.
	We play clips on this show almost every day from my buddy Tom Homan, and he was asked last week, somebody in cable news said, well, you're not seriously going to do stuff right on day one, right?
	You're not serious.
	He said, yeah, about two hours after the inauguration, my guys are rolling out.
	So what do you expect to see deputies Well, Tom Holman is a man of his word, so I expect to see exactly that.
	Tom Holman isn't waiting until the inauguration.
	Tom Holman spent time with Dr. Phil down in Cochise County with myself, Sheriff Daniels.
	He got on a Zoom with several sheriffs from across this country.
	This guy's been going all over the place in this country, Texas.
	Arizona, back east, New York.
	He's been getting out there and getting his hands dirty already.
	He's not even collecting a paycheck yet.
	So I fully expect that on January 20th, this is going to get rolling.
	And guess what, Sebastian?
	The Border Patrol Customs and ICE are ready to do their job.
	They're chomping at the bit to do their job.
	So I don't think he's going to have any problem getting everybody turned loose.
	We just got to get these other guys out of office and quit destroying this country.
	And get President Trump and his administration in there.
	How difficult?
	You know, this is, I think, the biggest challenge.
	How difficult is it going to be to find the tier one threat people who are in this country?
	Do you have the fidelity of intelligence at the local, the county, municipal level?
	How hard is that challenge going to be?
	Because you can seal the border, but we have to find the tier one threats here.
	It's gonna be a little bit of a challenge.
	If anybody who knows how the federal government works, they love to take information from local law enforcement.
	They don't love to give it back.
	The FBI is notorious for this.
	They love to hoard information and not share it back.
	What we're gonna need is the federal government to get on board And start sharing information with local law enforcement.
	We can help them.
	We can also provide information to them with criminals in our communities.
	Look, if somebody commits a crime, it's typically the sheriff's office or local police departments that are gonna investigate that crime.
	Or those little criminal factions, those gangs.
	We're the ones that know where they are.
	And that's what I like about Tom Homan and President Trump.
	We had a seat at the table during the first Trump administration.
	I fully expect to have a seat back at the table again.
	And I think that is going to be what makes this successful by getting rid of these criminals.
	It's not going to be easy, but if we work together, we can get it done and we've got to share intel.
	How many times did you get to visit the White House when President Trump was president?
	Ten times.
	Ten times.
	How many times under Biden?
	Zero.
	And not only that, I'm not aware of Biden meeting with a single sheriff, whether they were Democrats.
	He's a Republican.
	He didn't meet with a single sheriff.
	And those times that I went to visit President Trump at the White House, it wasn't just myself.
	It was multiple sheriffs that he would bring in.
	We had a legitimate seat at the table.
	And it's been a big difference over the last four years.
	An even bigger difference.
	January the 20th.
	Can't wait to see you, my friend, in the White House with your lovely wife, Janelle.
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	Yeah, last show is going to be next Monday.
	Wow, you've done an amazing job, but we need you back in the White House.
	That's one thing for sure.
	Well, I can't wait to see you there, my buddy.
	I look forward to it.
	I'm looking forward to this administration getting things back under control.
	God bless.
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	- Okay, back. - Yes, Tom Holman's for real.
	Um...
	Jeff, I got Matt Gates to come on.
	He's available tomorrow.
	What should I say?
	You want to do 305, just open with him?
	Yeah.
	Good stuff.
	Thank you.
	Good stuff.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Mm-hmm.
	All righty.
	Mm-hmm.
	It's a low level.
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	He is tough.
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	Dr. Sebastian Gorka!
	I know that voice.
	I know who that is.
	That's our buddy from the Tallgrass.
	I was seeing an image of an encyclopedia with boots that just can kick your butt.
	Very, very, very imaginative use of imagery there from our buddy Ray in Livermore.
	This is a statement, breaking news, from the Attorney General of Georgia concerning one Fannie Willis.
	Quote, the Georgia Court of Appeals has ruled that the Fulton County DA created her own conflict and rightfully removed her from the case against President-elect Trump.
	Lawfare has become too common in American politics and it must end.
	As such, I would encourage the Georgia Supreme Court to not take her appeal.
	It's our hope that the DA will now focus taxpayer resources on the successful prosecution of violent criminals in Fulton County.
	That's Georgia Attorney General Carr's statement on Fannie Willis.
	Also breaking news, no confirmation, but it is pretty much wildfire all over the Twitterverse that U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Matthew Graves, has or is resigning.
	This is the scum of the earth that decided not to prosecute more than 60% of all violent crimes in the District of Columbia in a time where we had 900 carjackings per year, but instead decided to send J6s to prison for years on end, even if they were just praying inside Congress.
	So, Matthew Graves, got a message for you.
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	Let's go to your calls here on America First.
	833-333-Gawker.
	That's 833-334-6752.
	Let's go to San Diego, line one.
	And Scott.
	How you doing, Sebastian?
	Good!
	I've got to say, you're one of the most amazing patriots out there.
	I can't wait to see you back in the White House.
	That is most kind, my friend, most kind.
	What would you like to talk about?
	I'd like to talk about cybersecurity and the threat of artificial intelligence cracking AES standard keys.
	Are you familiar with that subject at all, Sebastian?
	I'm not familiar with the final acronym you used.
	What is that?
	AES is the standard used right now for encryption and everything from finance to defense and there's a lot of talk that that AES will be cracked by quantum computing which isn't here yet and the real threat is AIDA which is artificial intelligence data attacks and I just wanted to bring it to your attention I know it's a It's a huge threat,
	a real vulnerability in encryption for, like I said, everything from defense to finance.
	Right, but I don't think that's anything new, is it?
	As the saying goes, what man can make, man can break, right?
	Well, it is new because the focus is on quantum computing breaking encryption codes and math that's complicated that make up these keys.
	Our team has already been able to break AES keys using even chat GPT. So it is a new threat.
	It's a new thing.
	And there's solutions to the problem.
	But you know how it is to get through to the right people.
	That's why I'm calling you, Sebastian.
	I wanted to make it clear.
	Love to have you listen to our team, our tech people to explain exactly how vulnerable we are and what the threat is.
	All right, well, stay on the line.
	You know, we do take cyber very seriously.
	In my counterterrorism directorate, I will have somebody whose portfolio will be exclusively cyber.
	There is, of course, in the National Security Council, a complete whole directorate for cyber.
	It was run by one of my friends in the first administration, a true genius.
	And the issue, I'd love to see him back in the second Trump administration.
	You know who you are, buddy.
	You need to serve yet again.
	But stay on the line.
	Give your details to Jeff and then we'll see about what you do for the U.S. government and whether it can be a force multiplier for this new aspect.
	I'm not a tech guy, but we're going to have people working this issue.
	And if you look at it, The announcement, I think it was just last week, we had three announcements by President Trump on just the topic of artificial intelligence, including a czar in the White House to deal exclusively with that issue.
	So rest assured, dear friend, that President Trump is taking it very, very seriously.
	I'm Sebastian Gorker.
	More of your calls momentarily.
	The number is 833-33-GORKER. That's 833-334-6752.
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	I know, but you just got a holiday, so you should come into work.
	You had enough holiday, Eric.
	I bet you could.
	Wow, President Trump has just retweeted Meghan McCain.
	Green is really important.
	I just watched the whole briefing on it.
	Super important.
	We'll do that in E-block.
	Uh...
	Uh-uh-uh-uh. - Yeah.
	Come in with full.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	A Muppet's Christmas.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'll trust you this time.
	Yes.
	Good.
	Who's the one-on-one?
	Who's the one-on-one?
	Good, good, good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's good.
	That's good.
	Yeah, nice.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So I mentioned that maybe family attention may be an option and everybody goes nuts.
	Let's remember, President Obama built family detention, right?
	So I was fine with that, but if the Trump administration does it, all of a sudden we're cruel.
	But the reason I even think about family detention—again, no decision has been made, but I consider it an option.
	Let me tell you why.
	Because if we can detain the family in a residential If you're a residential center, not a jail, residential center, guess what?
	That gives us time to maybe do DNA testing.
	That gives us time to an investigation to find out there are actually a family.
	Well, yes.
	Wouldn't that be nice to know whether they're actually family units or not?
	Because when we started doing DNA testing in the first Trump administration, we found out that they weren't family units.
	More than two-thirds of them, there was no relation genetically between the child and the quote-unquote parent bringing them across the border.
	So if you really cared about the children, you would allow us to do that.
	But I trust Tom Homan implicitly.
	Hey, Jeff, what happened to the cut of Don Lemon?
	Was it too difficult to bleep out all the bleeps?
	I didn't have time.
	I had a couple of other things I had to edit.
	That's why.
	That was quite a meltdown, wasn't it?
	Yes, it was.
	We'll get it for tomorrow.
	But he's like, I think he's really...
	I mean, that wasn't a show.
	He's like...
	He's cracked.
	He's losing it.
	I mean, he's...
	The CNN thing, then he headed the Twitter job for the day.
	And he decided to interview Elon Musk instead of insult him and he couldn't realize why he would get rid of him.
	Yeah, why are you surprised when you're fired after you insult the person you're working for who you're interviewing for your first show?
	Poor, poor Don Lemon.
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	On the topic of visas, line one, Pete in Tennessee.
	Yeah.
	What I wanted to talk about was, I think the problem is, a big part is the education.
	For the last 15 years, when I met young people out of college, and you asked them, they'll tell you half the time that they were in college was on stuff that had nothing to do with the field that they was going in.
	Elon and them need to get their own universities going.
	Yes.
	And that way, too, they could use people working for them to help teach those people or train them, use whatever words you want to.
	But our school system is trash since Jimmy Carter got his hands in it.
	No, I agree.
	Part of this is the education system and how weak it is.
	China in one year trains more engineers than the world combined, not just the United States.
	But it's not just about education.
	It's about getting people for cheap from abroad.
	And that's not very, very MAGA, is it?
	So yes, we've got to fix education.
	That's a long-term issue.
	But number one, we've got to protect American jobs.
	Thank you, Pete.
	Let's go to Anthony, line two, Chicago.
	Now, hello.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	Yes.
	Yes, I was wondering, on July 27th, 2020, The White House staff?
	No idea.
	I wasn't on the task force.
	I have no idea.
	Oh, I thought you were...
	Okay, I thought you were...
	I had nothing to do with health policy.
	Zero.
	Okay, well...
	I'm a counterterrorism guy.
	Okay, thank you.
	That was your question?
	That's it?
	Well, I mean, a million people died in the United States and millions around the world.
	I thought that was pretty important.
	Well, yeah, well, the president was clear about it.
	Didn't you hear what the president said about hydroxy?
	Did you miss his multiple, multiple discussions about hydroxy?
	No, I heard what he said, but I also heard what Fauci did and what Denise M. Hinton did.
	Denise M. Hinton Yeah, I know, dude.
	It's called the swamp.
	You are aware of it, right?
	You are aware of the swamp.
	Yeah, okay.
	I'm aware of the swamp.
	I know.
	That's what the swamp did.
	Right.
	No one's been indicted.
	Yeah.
	They violated it.
	But we're not in the White House yet, and Pam Bondi isn't the Attorney General yet.
	I will follow up once you're in the White House.
	Thank you very much.
	Well, not here you won't, because I won't be on a radio show.
	But, yeah, keep your eyes peeled, because there are people who did some very, very bad things.
	Let's go to Hawaii!
	David!
	Yes.
	Congratulations, Dr. G. I'm glad to hear that you'll be joining the MEGA team to help America be great again.
	And I just had a suggestion.
	You know, there's a lot of us boots-in-the-ground citizens that would love to point out problems and not only point out problems, but help with recommended solutions for somebody to look at to help via the states that we live in.
	Or even on the state and the federal side, you know.
	That's a suggestion I'd hope you'd take with you.
	You have to be more specific.
	What do you mean?
	Okay, so as an example, so say for example X, there's like a boots on the ground citizens.
	What do I want to say?
	Like a contact where people can go up to Yeah, but hang on, hang on.
	Are you a conservative, David?
	Yeah, I'd like to think so.
	Okay, good.
	So if you're a conservative and you've got a local problem in Hawaii, why would you run to Washington to fix it?
	Because there's things, and I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this, there's things where you could try to, you know, go local and you hit brick walls.
	Yeah, but dude, if you're conservative, that's where you try and fix it first, okay?
	If you're conservative, you don't go...
	To Uncle Sam to fix your problems in a local community.
	That's Big Brother.
	That's dependency on the nanny state.
	So, yeah, you can raise issues to the senator or your congressman in Capitol Hill.
	But if you've got a local problem in Hawaii, I would say very, very strongly, you don't want the feds to fix a local problem in Hawaii.
	What the heck do they know about your local problem?
	So, my friend...
	Run for local office.
	Get engaged.
	Do what my wife did.
	You need to be the solution in your community.
	Don't wait for Uncle Sam.
	That's the left.
	That's how they think.
	Be a conservative.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka.
	This is America First.
	Mike's back on.
	Got three big super chats on Rumble just in the last few minutes.
	T. Brooks, one, two, three, for $20.
	Last show next Monday.
	Going to miss you, Seb.
	H. Repairman, for another $20.
	I will trade my red card for this rant.
	Gonna miss the show and all who do it for us.
	Thank you all.
	And then Jewels15 for another 20 big ones.
	Gorka and crew, you will be missed.
	Hope you all have a brew one last time.
	Eric, you were a phenomenal moderator.
	Thank you so much.
	Oh gosh, you wrote that last one.
	Alright, give me those names.
	TBrooks123, that was the first one.
	TBrooks123, yep.
	And then HRepairMan.
	H, Repairman.
	And Jules, that's J-U-L-Z, 15. All of them are regulars in the chat.
	Nice.
	Okay, thank you.
	Good.
	Alright.
	I'm going to miss reading the Super Chats.
	Two minutes.
	Oh, goodness.
	Oh, you want to play the final Trump Cut 13 here?
	No, we can save it for tomorrow.
	I don't think we have time.
	Yep.
	Very well.
	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
	One minute.
	handle the truth?
	Is reality just too much?
	There's always NPR. I hear they have tote bags.
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	We'll get to read them out maybe another time.
	Let's go to line one.
	Jim, Philadelphia.
	Yeah, hi.
	I got a quick question.
	Yep.
	The question is, if China's a mass producer and they produce a lot of the Christmas presents throughout the 80s and 90s and put it on the store shelves in America, how is China the enemy today?
	I don't understand your point.
	U.S. companies outsourcing jobs to China is the problem.
	That's very easy.
	But how is China the enemy if they produce a lot of the Christmas presents for Americans?
	What has that got to do with anything?
	What has Christmas presents made in China got to do with rare earth minerals, the control of mining across Africa, the unrestricted warfare handbook, the one belt, one road?
	What are you talking about Christmas presents for?
	We're talking about geopolitics, Jim.
	This is geopolitics.
	No, Christmas presents are not geopolitics, okay?
	Our military aircraft being buzzed by the PLA forces is not Christmas presents.
	Are you being obtuse?
	Are you being obtuse?
	No, not at all.
	I was seriously confused about the politics.
	Well, dude, I'm not going to be able to help you.
	If you think China is a threat to America, it's about chocolate, you know, gifts and plastic toys that you really are listening to the wrong show.
	Let's go to Joe, Los Angeles.
	Hello, Sebastian.
	I'm going to miss you very much on the radio, because I always felt that you had a direct, maybe sometimes a direct ear of Trump, and I hope you will continue to have that ear.
	I'm very concerned about during the Biden administration, they snuck through the approval for speeding surveillance cameras.
	And not only do those cameras allow municipalities and the federal government to surveil you and give you instant tickets for transgressions or traffic violations, but they also allow the kind of surveillance that happens in China, where in China, for example, they will record your face jaywalking. where in China, for example, they will record your face Yeah, that's the social credit system.
	Yeah, I understand.
	Yeah, no, this goes, you know, you understand, unlike our last caller, what the real threat is.
	And, for example, the fact that the majority of drones used by American law enforcement agencies are made in China.
	I wonder why that is not something understood by our last caller.
	Thank you, John.
	Thank you for your kind comments.
	That's something I learned in the White House after I got my clearances eight years ago.
	We can deal with every threat quite easily, ISIS included, but China is our number one peer adversary, and the good thing is President Trump gets it, and so does his team, including Peter Navarro, who's coming back.
	I'm so excited.
	Next up, somebody who was in the White House with us, and then the deep state came after him.
	Next, the manhood hour here on America First.
	All right, can you tell Joe we're done with calls? can you tell Joe we're done with calls?
	Thank you.
	Oh, send me the live link.
	Um, came about as a result of the visibility of that project.
	And we knew that the 19 units was like a song, but I was like... ...and I was like, but I was like... ...and I was like, like a song, but I
	I was like, oh, I'm sorry.
	The last week I have with you, dear friends, we're going to have a lot of fun.
	We're going to have a lot of discussions with people I am grateful to.
	We'll be giving thanks to them for supporting us for the six years I've been in this chair.
	But there's also some very important discussions we have to have before January the 20th, before I take up my new position, before President Trump is sworn in as the 47th President of the United States.
	One of them has to do with this new book.
	The insider threat, how the deep state undermines America from within.
	And I just want to read to you the endorsement, the very top endorsement, thank you, from the former chairman of the Intelligence Committee of Congress, Devin Nunes, another dear friend of the show.
	It's about the author.
	Adam Lovinger.
	Adam Lovinger is a patriot who was singled out and persecuted for blowing the whistle on dishonest officials protected at the highest levels of our government.
	Based on his personal experience as both an eyewitness and a direct victim of government malfeasance, the insider threat tells the disturbing story of how a cabal of partisan hacks borrowed into the federal bureaucracy and corrupted our governance.
	This discussion has...
	I've taken some time to organize.
	I'm very grateful that timing could not be better that we do it today because my colleague, my former colleague, Adam Lavinger, is in studio, a perfect guest for the Manhood Hour.
	Adam, Merry Christmas.
	Merry Christmas.
	Thanks for having me.
	So I don't want to be trite.
	I don't want to be obtuse in my provocation.
	But you're an academic mind.
	So let's start with the obvious question.
	You have to define things before you can diagnose them and before you can solve the problems related to them.
	What is the deep state, Adam Lovinger?
	Yeah, so I think it's extremely important to define it.
	I think one of the problems in Washington and in the discussion of the deep state is that it's painted with too broad of a brush.
	The deep state that I encountered firsthand is a group of Hyper-empowered senior bureaucrats at key nodes within the national security bureaucracy operating together and weaponizing federal process to target their adversaries, their ideological adversaries, political bureaucratic adversaries.
	And what's so striking to me is the degree of coordination.
	And in studying their operation, It's also clear to me that these nodes don't last just for one particular person.
	When someone retires, there's a lot of care that goes into replacing the retiree with a new loyalist.
	And a lot of these jobs are rather boring jobs.
	There are security clearance jobs, there's various personnel jobs, various inspector general jobs, things that don't typically make the news, but very important jobs.
	And if you look at how they can be coordinated and strung together, there's a lot of power that is in that cabal.
	Well, you suffered The abuse of that power when you were named to come in as Senior Director for Strategic Assessment in the Trump National Security Council, coming over from the DOD. We'll go through the details in the book, but let's drill down on this, because when I came into the first Trump administration, I refused to use the word deep state.
	I thought it was a little bit tinfoil hatty, a little bit too much.
	And then within a matter of weeks, I realized, okay, it's real.
	I'm seeing it inside the situation room.
	I'm seeing it.
	I'm seeing it.
	I had a phone call on Thursday with one of my pupils who was a special agent of the FBI, who I had requested be detailed over to me at the NSC to work on a classified project.
	And a function that should have taken 10 days, max, to bring over the clearances and bring him to the White House as a detailer never happened.
	For six months, I was lied to by the head of the National Security Council Human Resources Department at the White House, and I never saw the three individuals I requested from the FBI and the one gal I requested from the CIA. And I can't go into details, but this person...
	Shared with me how he was punished.
	I mean, truly punished.
	Yeah.
	Interrogated, investigated, threatened with all kinds of administrative procedures by his own agency, the FBI, simply because a deputy assistant to President Trump had requested he be detailed to work for me in the White House.
	So let's drill down a little bit on the nature of this, because I find conspiracy theories to be problematic in that, in many cases, they kind of deny critical thought.
	They're kind of like, oh, there's this blob or there's this Blofeld in a hollowed-out volcano running everything.
	But what you're saying seems to...
	Infer that there is something truly organized about this.
	My proclivity, I have been a victim to it, but not like you, not like my FBI student.
	But my...
	Leaning was to say these are all people abusing their power in the same cultural fashion, but there's no overarching mastermind or playbook.
	They all think they are more important than the elected president or you, the person who's been detailed to the NSC. But it sounds to me as if you're talking about something that is more holistically organic.
	So walk us through the nature of the beast, if you will, Adam.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And just, you know, very briefly, when I first heard the term deep state, I didn't believe it.
	I'm a lawyer by training.
	I was trained in law school and as associate deputy general counsel of the Department of Defense to, you know, really think that there are these checks and balances within our system and that, you know, for some sort of conspiracy, for, you know, bad actors to be breaking the law together, it just seemed nuts to me.
	Perhaps Why my experience may be different from some others is that when General Mike Flynn requested me by name to come over from the Office of Net Assessment to...
	Inside DOD? Office of Net Assessment at DOD? Right.
	That's right.
	I was and actually always have been a civil servant.
	And so what happened to me, as soon as Flynn requested me, I had multiple investigations launched.
	As soon as the request was made?
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Investigations with what predicate?
	That's a great question.
	Genuine lies.
	Genuine lies.
	You know, these were things that had been made up.
	There was no evidence for them.
	I was accused of taking classified information on an airplane.
	I was accused of taking my son to Israel to celebrate his bar mitzvah.
	I mean, even though General Flynn himself had signed off on that.
	I mean, just total nonsense.
	But they were sort of like throwing dirt or throwing spaghetti against the wall.
	But purely because it was Flynn who had requested you.
	Yeah, for 12 years I had been a civil servant in the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
	Never one investigation, no problem with security issues, nothing.
	Exemplary performance ratings.
	Within two months of being...
	You become a threat to the bomb.
	Five investigations launched against me.
	Two administrative, three criminal.
	A counter-terrorism investigation, a counter-intelligence investigation, an FBI subversive seat...
	Let me stop you there.
	How much did this cost you?
	So I was fortunate in that I had pro bono legal representation, but at certain points I had three lawyers working on my case.
	That would be hundreds of thousands.
	Hundreds of thousands.
	It may have taken like a million dollars to represent me if I had to pay out of my own pocket.
	And again, I'm a civil servant.
	This is part of the warfare, the lawfare, which is those who are making these accusations, baseless accusations, without a predicate, they have the resources of the federal taxpayer behind them to weaponize government as they want.
	Why my experience may have been different from some of the things you saw, you were a political appointee, I was a civil servant being detailed, is that I fought for about four years what's called administrative due process.
	So they accused me of one thing, it turns out it's false.
	So they accused me of something else, it turns out it's false.
	Internal paperwork assault inside the building against an individual.
	Right.
	So they first suspend the clerics.
	They first launch investigations based upon whatever.
	The first investigation of me actually turned out to incriminate my accusers.
	So what did they do?
	They buried that.
	They launched what's called a do-over investigation.
	That one was done by a direct subordinate of my accusers.
	That got the results they wanted.
	But then they just kept launching more investigations, digging, digging, digging.
	The way this is hermetically sealed off from the facts and the law is because every node that's part of administrative due process is a cabal.
	It's working together.
	And these are the security clearance people.
	These are the offices that launch the investigations.
	It's the offices that adjudicate.
	Clearance suspensions and revocations.
	It's the administrative law judge.
	And I sort of detail this all in the book.
	But it's genuinely a system that fits together.
	And I'm not saying that these guys are, you know, the most brilliant people.
	I mean, there were lots of...
	But let me be crude.
	There's no mastermind.
	There's no person who's orchestrating the get Adam Lovinger playbook.
	But these are all people who are prepared to abuse their powers.
	And you've got the mark of Cain.
	Therefore, you must be taken out.
	Is that a fair representation?
	There was some hyper-empowered bureaucrat, or I think in my case, a political appointee, one of the Obama holdovers, Deputy Secretary of Defense Bob Work, who gave the order.
	And so that's when these nodes, you know, operationalized, activated.
	And, you know, they made mistakes.
	For example, I was saying that for the very first investigation, incriminated them and exonerated me.
	So they're like, all right.
	But the thing is, they have a lot of redundancy built into this system to hermetically seal off the facts and the law.
	We're talking to the author of the book, The Insider Threat, How the Deep State Undermines America from Within, a former senior director in the National Security Council of the White House, Adam Lavinger.
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	I don't know where to proceed because there's so many questions I have to ask you.
	Everybody, if you didn't believe that the deep state is real or if you want to know more about it, you need to get the book The Insider Threat from our guest here on The Manhood Hour, Adam Lavinger.
	Let's talk about one obvious thing that they used against us political appointees and detailies, probably as their most common weapon, and that's the clearance process.
	Denying clearances to people President Trump wanted in the building.
	How was that deployed against you, and how, if any way, can that be fixed?
	Yeah, so...
	Clearances are the low-hanging fruit.
	If you want to weaponize federal processes against your political, bureaucratic, ideological adversaries, you go after their clearance.
	And the reason why is that under the law, no one has a right to a clearance.
	It's this national security-sensitive thing that people have in order to review classified...
	There's no civil right to one.
	There's no civil right.
	And very sensibly, as a precautionary measure, you can suspend someone's clearance.
	The problem, though, happens with what happens next, which is that once you suspend a clearance, once you send it in the direction of revoking it, that process is a black box.
	It is cut off from any scrutiny whatsoever.
	And also, you can't do your job.
	And you can do your job.
	So it's a very easy way to get rid of someone.
	The people suspending clearances should not be in any way linked to the people that could revoke them.
	In my case, the very person who suspended my clearance was also the boss of the person who revoked it.
	And then to remove me from the civil service, it was the same person as well.
	There's no checks and balances.
	Highly weaponized.
	But again, you know, a lot of people on our side, a lot of Republicans, our eyes kind of glaze over with this stuff.
	Because it's, you know, just the complexity is part of the weapon.
	Despite the fact...
	But the whole clearance system exists for one person, one person alone, not the Secretary of Defense, not the Speaker of the House, but it's the Commander-in-Chief.
	Exactly.
	And one of the big problems, you know, looking back on, you know, Trump 45, is I still remember coming into the building.
	I remember our conversation when you were telling me, hey, Adam, I have these FBI and CIA people I have confidence in.
	I'm trying to bring them over, but their clearances are mysteriously vanishing.
	And is that...
	We were convinced by whomever that there was some system, some process that was established procedure that we all had to jump through these hoops.
	And it turns out that the law is very clear that the president of the United States can give a security clearance to anyone he wants.
	He can give it to his poodle.
	He can give it to its poodle.
	He can revoke it for the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
	Correct.
	Exactly, like that.
	And so he's got, you know, supreme authority under the U.S. Constitution to do that.
	So tell us, what was your sin?
	Because you're not exactly, I mean, look, we're wonks in this.
	I love, i.e., drink and sleep strategy.
	You know, strategic assessments, your title.
	I mean, every country should do that.
	It's the big picture analysis of the threats.
	Why would the person coming in from the Office of Net Assessment, a perfect candidate, why did you have to be taken out?
	So, you know, we'll have to ask my accusers at some point, but...
	Well, it's your theory.
	My theory is this, is that as I lay out in the book, I started to be very concerned in the year 2010 that a man by the name of Stefan Halper was collaborating, working on contracts for the Office of Net Assessment with the former head of Russian intelligence, General Trubnikov.
	So let's put this image we have.
	This is the infamous Stefan Halper, who is deeply embroiled at the center of the assault against Mike Flynn, the Russia-Russia-Russia hoax, Christopher Steele, and so forth.
	So take us back, because this is like a will-o'-the-wisp that you can't grab, despite the fact that he's probably 300 pounds.
	Why are you concerned, and what was your estimation back then of who he was and what he became?
	Yeah, so it was very clear to me that these contracts that were being let by the...
	From DOD. From DOD, from the Office of Net Assessment, which is inside the Office of the Secretary of Defense, that these contracts with the former head of Russian intelligence providing information into them that this was Russian disinformation.
	These were highly pro-Russia contracts.
	For those who don't understand how this can happen, explain how you have contracts involving a former head of Russian intelligence.
	It is asinine.
	It is crazy.
	I mean, it's...
	What justification?
	You could very well be collaborating with the Russians.
	I don't know, but it makes no sense otherwise.
	But as I lay out of my book, Andy Marshall, my first boss, he was removed.
	Otherwise known as you.
	Under the Obama administration, he was removed.
	The purpose of the office is to ensure American primacy, to take on our adversaries.
	Obama did not agree with this.
	So he implanted his own implant, James H. Baker, to take over.
	And James H. Baker has very anti-American views.
	I lay these out in my book extensively.
	Pro-Russia views, pro-China views, pro-Iran views, anti-American views.
	And these views are quite stunning.
	You know, when people read this book and they say, wait a minute, James Baker said losing Taiwan to China is not an insult to U.S. national interests?
	Direct quote.
	I say yes.
	There's a document with James H. Baker writing this to Admiral Mike Mullen, Obama's Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
	This view of our enemies is getting implanted into our national security bureaucracy.
	And was everybody else just acquiescent?
	And you were the only guy who said, hang on, this building and this office is about American primacy.
	Did everybody just concur with the anti-American take?
	I was sort of the voice crying out in the woods.
	And I've never tried to adopt the mantle of a whistleblower.
	I'm just saying, you know, here's something really wrong.
	You know, the former head of Russian intelligence, and by the way, as you know, there's no former head of Russian intelligence.
	They They continually work for Russian intelligence to the day they die.
	Why is he collaborating with Stefan Halper to do this?
	And we now know why this was such an important operation.
	When we look at Russiagate, Hillary Clinton, who had to generate this Steele dossier, which was, as we know from the Department of Justice, filled with Russian disinformation.
	What was happening inside the Office of Net Assessment was giving her an insurance policy.
	Hey, if the U.S. Department of Defense can use Stefan Halper and the former head of Russian intelligence on their studies, why can't I rely upon them for my Steele dossier?
	It's part of an insurance policy.
	And this was, of course, run by Deputy Secretary of Defense Bob Work, who was pining for the top job in a Clinton administration.
	We're talking to Adam Lovinger.
	I wish I had six hours to discuss this book.
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	I don't want to get us off track here because there's so many concrete things I have to discuss with you and especially for what happens after January the 20th, Adam.
	But But you know history as well.
	Explain to me.
	I find it hard to countenance, to internalize We win the Cold War, or we think we win the Cold War.
	And then along comes this president who says he wants to fundamentally change everything.
	His wife says the first time I've ever felt proud to be an American was when my husband became president.
	Okay, yeah, that's one guy and he's the president.
	But how is there a multiplicity from Walk to Baker?
	How are there this multiplicity of individuals already inveigled inside the most powerful organs of government who seem to be, if not actively working for our enemies, Actively undermining America because they see America as a problem.
	What was the genesis of that?
	That couldn't have happened on January the 20th, 2008, during Obama's inauguration.
	Do you have a theory as to...
	What was the genesis of the rot?
	Yeah, so I have a section of the book on this, and what I saw, because I was a...
	I started in the Office of the Secretary of Defense during George W. Bush, so I was there for the entirety of the Obama administration.
	And what I saw was that the very first year of the Obama administration, Obama went around the world, and he apologized for America.
	The Muslim Brotherhood on down, right.
	Exactly.
	He called America a racist country and that we had been an oppressor and that not only America itself, but America's Western allies had also been sort of imperialist oppressors throughout the world.
	And at the end of this tour, he sort of looked around at the American people And through the polling he was getting back at the White House, he realized that expressing contrition on foreign soil, particularly in France, you know, apologizing for America from the very soil that Americans had liberated from tyranny and lost, you know, hundreds of thousands, 400,000 during the Second World War, it was so repugnant to ordinary Americans.
	And so what he did at that point, and this is what I saw firsthand, is he turned inward.
	He was no longer going to do what most American presidents did, which was to engage in a conversation with the American people and try to encourage them to adopt the point of view and to have the town square and the refiner's fire as envisioned by our constitutional order to really Have a robust conversation to get optimal policy outcomes and decisions made.
	He was going to change America from within.
	And Hillary Clinton actually admitted to this strategy when she was running for office in 2015, when she was on the campaign trail running against Donald Trump.
	She said, I don't believe you change hearts and minds.
	You change laws.
	You change the allocation of resources.
	You change the way systems operate.
	So she's explaining what they did.
	They turn inward.
	Mike Gonzalez and Katie Gorka have a magnificent book called Next Generation Marxism, and they write about Antonio Gramsci and how you infiltrate, you change institutions from within.
	If you want to change policy, if you want to change culture, you put your people in keynotes.
	But you may disagree with me.
	I don't see Obama as a great mind.
	I see him as somebody who's good at reading a teleprompter, who, of course, was germinated within the atmosphere of Marxism on the knee of a very famous communist who was his quasi-uncle.
	So if he's not the super brain, who executed this?
	Well, I don't know.
	I mean, I saw it firsthand.
	So it's either Obama, Hillary, you know, one of their people.
	As you know, Hillary is a student and actually the research assistant of Saul Alinsky.
	This is Alinsky's bread and butter.
	But, you know, they're also—this is northern Virginia.
	This is Washington, D.C. It's, you know, Montgomery County, Maryland.
	They're swimming in a school of very similar-minded people here.
	And so there's kind of a lot to choose from.
	Sounds like you're not surprised that 92% of Washington, D.C. voted for Kamala Harris.
	We have to smile because otherwise we cry or we are never going to give up.
	We're going to fight, fight, fight, as President Trump said in Butler, Pennsylvania after he was shot in the head by a Democrat donor.
	The book is The Insider Threat, How the Deep State Undermines America from Within, with our special Manhood Hour guest, Adam Lavincher.
	This is the former director of the CIA and former counterterrorism advisor to President Obama, John Brennan.
	I don't expect Mr. Putin to acknowledge it.
	He's going to deny, deny, deny.
	But for the President of the United States to continue to prevaricate on this issue, I think, does a great injustice and a disservice to the men and women of the intelligence law enforcement community.
	And does a great disservice to the citizens of the United States.
	And that's why I said it was nothing short of treasonous.
	That is a man who voted for Gus Hall, the Communist Party candidate for president, who was made director of the CIA by Obama, called President Trump a traitor, treasonous.
	You have two different chapters in the book.
	One is the deep state playbook.
	The other one is the deep state endgame.
	This is the insider threat.
	Adam, what is the end state?
	Because...
	On one level, it just seems utterly anarchic and perverse that you're an American director of the CIA, you're an American GS or an SES government employee, and you're sabotaging the will of, back then, 64 million Americans or a deputy assistant in the White House or a national security adviser.
	Is there an end state or is it just raw power and anarchy?
	That's a great question.
	What John Brennan was doing in that clip is really a classic Soviet disinformation tactical projection.
	By the time he said that, he knew that That Hillary Clinton had generated the Steele dossier and that she had actually, you know, contracted with Russian intelligence to generate that thing.
	Not, you know, directly, of course, but through multiple cutouts.
	Exactly.
	Multiple cutouts, exactly.
	And so, you know, he is sort of, I think, you know, trying to deflect attention away from what they've done.
	You know, it's also clear that, you know, during the, really the entirety of the Obama administration, I mean, there was a lot of coddling of America's enemies.
	You know, what is he trying to accomplish?
	You're absolutely right.
	He did vote for Gus Hall as President of the United States, who was taking direct orders from Moscow in the 1970s.
	I don't really know what these guys are after, ultimately.
	But if you go around and you look at American college campuses today and you see this rabid anti-Americanism, these like pro-Hamas protests.
	At a school where I went to and teach, Georgetown University, spray painted on the front of one of the buildings the other day was U.S. Army Terrorist organization.
	So you have this mentality amongst many American elites that America is a racist, oppressor country, which Obama himself has said, and they believe it.
	And ultimately, if you have this preeminent America And these people, you know, enter the government, you know, maybe, just maybe, they would want to put their ideology to practice and to tear us down, or at least to, you know, clip our wings, make us a little bit less preeminent.
	And I think that that's where they're going.
	And at least the, you know, those who I've seen up close and personal who are doing this, these are rather perverse people who get pleasure, genuine pleasure, out of subverting America from within.
	And, you know, in the case of the office that I was working in, the Office of Net Assessment, you know, really collaborating with the former head of Russian intelligence and the Chinese as well.
	One of your early chapters is titled The Existential Threat to the Deep State.
	Who or what is the existential threat to the deep state?
	Yeah.
	So Mike Flynn was really an existential threat to the deep state because...
	One of the most refreshing things for me personally about Donald Trump getting elected president the first time is that he's an outsider.
	So many American politicians have to make dirty deals to climb up the ranks in order to even have the opportunity to run as president of the United States.
	Trump was an outsider, came in from the outside, came to the top, surprised everyone with winning, but then The deep state looked at him and they're like, well, this is a guy who is very dangerous to us because we do not have blackmail material on him.
	We don't have compromising information on him because he hasn't had to go through the dirty back alleys of Washington for decades to get to the top.
	We just have to make sure that he brings in no insiders.
	No insiders.
	And I think that that's...
	I know that's why Mike Flynn was targeted.
	I believe that was why I was targeted as well.
	Because we actually knew how a lot of this dirty stuff is done.
	Right.
	As former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Mike knew.
	Mike absolutely knew.
	And he was one of those very unusual people that, as a 33-year Army intelligence officer, former head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he knew how the corruption worked, how it operated, and he was fiercely determined to drain the swamp And to get rid of this corruption,
	because also as a battlefield intelligence officer in Iraq and Afghanistan, he saw many Americans getting killed and maimed and horribly wounded because The national security bureaucracy too often was putting the interests of others, whether it's corrupt contractors or just building bureaucratic empires, than actually winning the war.
	And this was abhorrent to Mike Flynn.
	So Mike Flynn was the existential threat to the deep state because he knew he could empower Trump to accomplish what he wanted.
	And so that's why he had to be removed.
	But it wasn't just undermining, you know, vested interests or contractors or what have you.
	I mean, his greatest sin in the eyes of Obama was to say that al-Qaeda is actually recrudescent and it's, you know, it's strengthening itself.
	And that was an inconvenient truth that had to be shut down, right?
	So it was telling the truth that was the bigger problem.
	Right, right.
	As I go through in the book, I mean, I really do believe that Obama adopted In many cases, America's enemy's strategic objectives for his own.
	Because, not because he's an active agent or traitor, but if you have been steeped in socialist miasma for 40 years, you see America as the problem, don't you?
	Correct.
	Yeah.
	I mean, Obama is a grad like myself.
	We both went to Columbia University.
	I know Columbia University.
	He does.
	You look at Columbia University today.
	It's filled with these radicals who think America is...
	America's the number one.
	One problem.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	So, you know, Obama was famous as saying that elections have consequences.
	Yes, they do.
	Because if you get ideologues, you know, into high office who really do think that America is the problem, or at least in Obama's, I think his real objective was to create more of a balance of power between America and our adversaries.
	He thought America was too preeminent.
	Bring us down.
	Bring us down a bit.
	This is really sort of his objective.
	Well, this was the whole thing with the Iran deal, the lunacy of the Iran deal.
	Correct.
	He wanted to balance a nuclear Israel with a nuclear Iran, because in his view, that's equity.
	And the diversity, equity, and inclusion construct, which if you go on Obama's website to this day, the very first line on the Obama Foundation website is, we believe in diversity, equity, and inclusion.
	The equity part is the key part.
	It's bringing everyone to the same level.
	And a hegemonic America, a preeminent America, is anathema, because we're Western, and that's our original thing.
	Sheer, sheer insanity.
	You need to read this book, Everyone Who Cares About the Future of the Republic, The Insider Threat, How the Deep State Undermines America From Within, by Adam Lavinger.
	My Republican colleagues.
	I offer a word of caution in good faith.
	Take care not to misread the will of the people, and do not abandon the need for bipartisanship.
	After winning an election, the temptation may be to go to the extreme.
	We've seen that happen over the decades, and it's consistently backfired on the party in power.
	So instead of going to the extremes, I remind my colleagues that this body is most effective when it's bipartisan.
	If we want in the next four years the Senate to be as productive as the last four, the only way that will happen is through bipartisan cooperation.
	Oh, the sheer irony.
	The Democrat leader in the upper house, now that President Trump is victorious, he wants bipartisanship.
	He wants cooperation from the Republicans.
	Maybe he should suggest that to Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro or the president-elect who faced over 700 years in prison because of Democrats.
	I don't think it comes to our guest as any surprise.
	I have no interest in compromise with those who have shredded the Constitution and used the weapons of the state against people like you, against the president.
	And my friends and colleagues.
	What is the greatest piece of open advice you would give to the incoming administration, specifically to President Trump, given what you witnessed and what you suffered through Adam LaVenture?
	Yeah, so when I hear Chuck Schumer talk about bipartisanship, what I'm really hearing him say is, don't upset the status quo.
	You know, don't change things.
	The way Washington works is the way it should work.
	And bipartisanship You know, equals, compromise, balance, and really keeping the status quo going.
	The American people came out vigorously, particularly the forgotten man.
	The forgotten man.
	Now, the Republican Party is now the party of the forgotten man, of the flyover country, of the ordinary American.
	The erstwhile forgotten man.
	The Republican Party is not the party of the coastal elites.
	Or the status quo.
	Or the status quo.
	And it's very clear to me, when you look at how the deep state operates, the deep state is really working in many respects to keep the federal government working for the federal government, not for the ordinary people.
	And this sort of comment by Chuck Schumer is...
	The opposite of the mandate that President Trump got.
	So much of the status quo is rotten.
	One of the things that I really, I think, hit home in this book is that there are these systems that were created and bureaucracies that were created for Definitely a different era, but maybe for, you know, an era that should never have existed.
	I mean, it's the sheer notion that you can have these inspectors general, which has been captured by very corrupt interests, checking and balancing the executive branch.
	These are creatures of the executive branch.
	They can't check and balance themselves.
	And these inspectors general have been wholly captured by the deep state and they're just cover-up operations.
	I'm so pleased to see that in Trump He has a dismantle the deep state, return power to the American people, list of 10 things to go after in dismantling the deep state.
	One of those is the inspector general system.
	This is absolutely critical, because as I was talking about with these various nodes that do the cover-up operations, inspectors general are that sort of the 800-pound gorilla.
	That, you know, really do, you know, the majority of the cover-up of the corruption.
	All right.
	And outside of that, in addition to anything you've seen on the president's wish list or agenda, what is missing that you would say to him?
	On this particular issue?
	Or the deep state?
	On the deep state, I think that, you know, what I try to do in my book, and I think needs to get more attention, is that the deep state is genuinely doing the bidding of America's enemies for them.
	The bidding of the Russians, the Chinese, and the Iranians particularly.
	Therefore?
	Therefore, it needs to be deemed a national security threat and to be treated accordingly.
	And that corruption, which invites all of these bad actors in, must be removed.
	That's the answer I was waiting for.
	And he gave it to me.
	That's why he's Adam Lavinger.
	God bless you.
	I want to say we salute you.
	Thank you, sir. - You went through Thank you, sir.
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