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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Is President Trump safe from the Secret Service?

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	We will be talking about the deep state.
	We'll be talking about the truth concerning the plot against the President's life, the second plot.
	And the most important question, is his life safe for the next 49 days until the election?
	Last night, he went on a Twitter space that I suspect All of a sudden we heard shots being fired in the air.
	for the audio live live discussion and it opened with President Trump talking
	about exactly what happened at the Trump International Golf Course as his life was
	threatened once more by a Democrat.
	All of a sudden we heard shots being fired in the air and I guess probably four or five
	and it sounded like bullets but what do I know about that?
	But Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets.
	And they grabbed me and I think probably the other one, Steve is one of the people, Steve Woodcuff, a great friend of mine, a great businessman from mostly New York and Florida.
	Great businessman.
	And more importantly, just a fantastic person.
	So we're in the group and everybody just, we got into the carts and we moved along pretty good.
	I was with an agent, and the agent did a fantastic job.
	There was no question that we were off that course.
	I would have loved to have sank that last putt, but we decided, let's get out of here.
	And what the gunfire was actually, interestingly, was a Secret Service agent had seen a barrel of a AK-47, which is a very powerful gun, rifle, And he started shooting at the barrel, started shooting in the bushes.
	Wow.
	Could only see the barrel.
	How good is that, right?
	Could only see the barrel.
	Based on that, he started shooting and ran toward the target and was shooting a lot.
	I mean, those were the shots we heard.
	The other one never got a shot off.
	And he ran across the street and grabbed his car, hopped into his truck or car.
	And amazingly, a civilian in that area saw something and it looked very suspicious.
	And in the car, drove their car to the back of his truck of some kind and took pictures of the license plate.
	Wow.
	Gave them to the sheriff's office.
	Sheriff Bradshaw is fantastic.
	Great, great sheriff for a long time.
	And within a fairly short period of time, they tracked him down on the highway.
	It was a pretty high speed chase.
	And they ended up getting him.
	They got him.
	In the next county, sheriffs from the next county apprehended Ryan Routh, a 19-time Democrat donor.
	Yes, those on the golf course identified the threat, engaged, and took the president to a safe location, but it wasn't a success.
	Here is the local sheriff of Palm Beach.
	This is Sheriff Rick Bradshaw with an outrageous statement from yesterday's press conference, cut to.
	And what we did yesterday proves that the system can work.
	Because the suspect didn't even get close to getting a round off, and we apprehended him.
	And brought him to justice.
	So we're very, very proud of that.
	You did not apprehend him, Sheriff Bradshaw.
	It was the next county 40 miles away.
	And the idea that an assassin getting within rifle range of the president is a success because he didn't get to fire a shot.
	But it's not just the local sheriff.
	It is the acting director of the Secret Service, Ronald Rowe.
	Cut three.
	And for those of you that were here in 2017, when the president was in office, when you look at that footprint now, and you look at it today, there's not much difference there.
	There's heavy uniform presence out there.
	And again, what I go back to is yesterday was an off-the-record movement.
	Off the record.
	And the president wasn't even really supposed to go there.
	It was not on his official schedule.
	And so we put together a security plan, and that security plan worked.
	The fact that a man with a gun got within 300 yards of your protectee means you failed, Ronald Rau.
	You're an abject failure, and I'd still like to know why you were implicated in the deletion of every Secret Service text message on January the 6th.
	Let's talk truthfully about what happened this weekend.
	In a very long ex-post, the vice-presidential nominee for the GOP, J.D.
	Vance, wrote the following.
	Yesterday, Donald J. Trump nearly lost his life.
	President Trump is my running mate and my friend, but he is more importantly a father and a grandfather to people who love him very much.
	I want him to have many more years with his family.
	I admire the President for calling for peace and calm.
	The rhetoric is out of control.
	It nearly got Steve Scalise and many others killed a few years ago.
	It nearly got Donald Trump killed twice.
	But I want to say something about yesterday's news and how it illuminates the difference between vigorous debate and violent rhetoric.
	Here is what we know so far.
	Kamala Harris has said that democracy is on the line in her race against President Trump.
	The gunman, Ryan Routh, agreed and used the exact same phrase.
	He also had a Kamala Harris bumper sticker on his truck.
	His name is Ryan Routh and he donated 19 times to Democrat causes and zero to Republican ones.
	How do you think the Democrats and their media allies would respond if a 19-time Republican donor tried to kill a Democrat official?
	And how have their media allies responded to the second assassination attempt on Donald Trump in as many months?
	NBC News called the attempted assassination a golf club incident.
	The LA Times told us Trump targeted at golf club.
	What have the left said to make it possible for people like Ryan Routh and Michael Crooks to try and kill the president?
	Here are a selection of actual quotes from Democrats in recent months.
	This is from the Trump-Vance campaign.
	Kamala Harris, quote, Trump is a threat to our democracy and fundamental freedoms.
	Joe Biden, it's time to put Trump in the bullseye.
	I mean this from the bottom of my heart.
	Trump is a threat to this nation.
	There is one existential threat.
	It's Donald Trump.
	Tim Walz.
	Kamala's running mate.
	Are Republicans a threat to democracy?
	Yes.
	Are they going to put people's lives in danger?
	Yes.
	Nancy Pelosi, former Speaker of the House.
	Trump is a threat to our democracy of the kind that we have never seen.
	Daniel Goldman, Congressman, Democrat.
	He is destructive to our democracy and he has to be eliminated.
	Congressman Stephen Cohen, he of the fried chicken fame.
	Quote, Trump is an enemy of the United States.
	Congressman Adam Schiff, Trump is the gravest threat to our democracy.
	And Abigail Spanberger, Trump is a threat to our democracy.
	Oh, and let's include a never-Trumper from the Lincoln Project.
	Rick, I'm a friend of John Weaver Wilson.
	They are going to go out and have to put a bullet in Donald Trump.
	Somebody was listening to you, Rick Weaver.
	The Democrat Party want to get President Trump killed.
	We've got 49 days to go.
	He needs protection from professionals.
	And he needs it now.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker, former strategist to the 45th and God willing, if we do our part, 47th President of the United States.
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	I don't know.
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	The left never to miss an opportunity to exploit a tragedy or a potential tragedy.
	Here is the irisable clown-like figure with the outrageous hairdo who thinks it's funny, I guess, that a second assassin tried to kill President Trump.
	Ellie Mistel.
	I do not feel comfortable having yet another conversation about the horrible gun violence in this country without talking about the guns.
	Because I agree with Tim.
	I want this political violence to stop.
	And to me, I would propose a solution to this.
	I call it the Protect Trump At All Costs Assault Weapons Ban.
	How funny.
	How funny that you think this is just an amusing opportunity to play your classic anti-Second Amendment ploy.
	What's worse than that?
	Blaming President Trump for someone trying to kill him now a second time.
	Here's CNN's Anna Navarro, Cut 11.
	There is no doubt that Trump supporters see this as an attack on Trump and want to blame Democrats.
	Listen, you know, I hear it from my own family where there are Trump supporters.
	They are incensed about this and think there's this big strategy and plan to attack Donald Trump.
	So, you know, you can't, you don't get to be a very big part of the problem and then pretend that it's just the other people on the other side who caused this.
	Right, President Trump is the cause of this problem.
	Let's talk truthfully about it with somebody who knows a thing or two about the use of deadly force and stopping bad guys.
	Why?
	Because he's like a triple threat to bad guys.
	Not just a former frogman, a SEAL, a former FBI agent, and a former Federal Sky Marshal.
	The one and only Jonathan Gillum!
	Welcome back to America First!
	Good to be with you, my brother.
	I love these intros.
	I feel very educated and smart when you intro me.
	Well, it helps when I put dunces and idiots and hacks and cretins in front of you.
	That's always a good juxtaposition.
	All right.
	Let's start with perhaps the best thing we can do for our side, Jonathan, which is to dispel all the conspiracy theories.
	Somebody sent me this lunatic thing about, you know, Ryan Routh and said, can this be true?
	And I went to the link he sent me and it was some fake website in India.
	And I said, Dude, did you even look at the website?
	And his response, his DM was, sorry, my bad.
	I mean, primary sources!
	Can we just start with primary sources, please, Jonathan?
	Well, I think when we look at, which I tried to say today, this morning on Varney and Company on Fox Business, before Varney cut my mic off, I was trying to say, when we look at the totality of the circumstances, it is clear that After the first assassination attempt, I thought, okay, I'm going to not give the Secret Service the benefit of doubt, but I'm going to wait to see how this evidence plays out.
	We had 100% evidence in Pennsylvania that there was incompetence there, complete incompetence, but the possibility was there that there was also nefarious intentions.
	Now, two months later, Under a new acting director who is, I think, personally a bigger buffoon than even the previous one, he comes up and says, you know, how much this was a success that Trump didn't get shot.
	Quote, we just played the clip.
	Quote, the plan worked, Jonathan.
	OK, so the plan is to let any type of would-be assassin camp out in the trees for 12 hours, 20 feet from a road and right next to the golf course, until Trump gets into max effective range of the weapon that he chooses.
	That's success.
	I think when you look at this now, and the praise that he gave Biden yesterday, the praise that he gave Mayorkas, the fact that the FBI special agent in charge from the Miami field office that was standing right next to him is the same guy that the executives in the FBI made him scrub his social media when he took over.
	according to a whistleblower, because he had so much anti-Trump vitriol all over his social
	media.
	So these are the individuals that are leading these agencies, the investigations, manufacturing
	evidence like happened with the FBI, Russia investigation, using the DOJ for lawfare,
	and now not securing ... a simple thing, securing the perimeter.
	They know that Trump is going to a golf course, they just don't have anybody even walk the perimeter before he gets there.
	Their plan is to have a guy one hole in front of Trump, which the average length of one of these golf holes is 300 to 400 yards, which is within the max effective range of most rifles.
	So, especially when they have a scope, and the AKs are not, the SKS is not that effective, really it's not as accurate, but with a scope it becomes more accurate.
	So that's their plan.
	And so they have not improved their tactics from the last time when they got a new director, and the new director praises Mayorkas, praises Biden, and still doesn't secure the perimeters of these locations.
	So I just see, when we look at the vitriol like you just showed there with these weirdos on CNN and these other politicians and celebrities, and when we put it together, the fact that these Democrat-led agencies are not doing anything to protect Trump, I think it's safe to say now that there are nefarious things going on within the Secret Service, just like we saw with the FBI, and I think it's safe to say that the Democrats want Donald Trump dead.
	And if they could do it, if somebody would do it for them, they're not going to cry about it.
	You're not going to see anything.
	And the more we say that, what I see happening is on the comment sections, they immediately turn and start saying, we don't want him dead.
	We just want him to go away.
	But if you don't say that, that's what they continuously allude to is the fact that they want him dead.
	We're talking to Jonathan Gilliam, the author of Sheep No More, host of the Experts podcast.
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	wherever you are whatever you're doing do not touch that dial
	guy who was like one or two holes ahead saw the rifle sticking out and he just
	used his sidearm right That, as far as I'm understanding, that's what occurred.
	They went over all this stuff that they had, like they had a helicopter up, they had, uh, they said they had drones up.
	Apparently those don't work because the guy's been sitting there for 12 hours.
	Right, right.
	Right, we've got you booked for Newsmax with a good buddy of mine tomorrow, right?
	You're good for that?
	Yes, yes.
	Good, good, good.
	And you know what else, you know what else shows the improfessionalism of these people is the fact that they keep calling these ballistic plates, now they got me confused, they keep calling these plates tiles.
	I know, tiles, like it's from the space shuttle.
	They call them ceramic tiles, that's what goes in your kitchen.
	Yeah, totally, I'm so glad you said that.
	And I just... It's not even funny anymore.
	I can't even hardly joke about this stuff anymore.
	Come in with cut 12, then I'll do my pillow, then I'll go back to Jonathan.
	12, then pillow, then back to Jonathan.
	Alrighty.
	Two and a half minutes.
	Still need a title for the opening monologue.
	Something about their violent rhetoric or...
	I don't give a damn about Diddy.
	Will you just stop it?
	What is Fox doing the whole time?
	It was the same with Justin Timberlake on Friday.
	Just sod off.
	Just really.
	God.
	Hey, Sebastian, is that Thursday?
	That's Thursday for the TV show, right?
	Sorry.
	Yeah, Thursday morning.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's just me screwing up.
	I guess you must be busy, right?
	Oh my gosh, I've only slept about five hours in the past two days, but... What do you mean?
	Do seals need more than five hours?
	No, but no.
	Well, I don't know, I'm 54 now, so yes.
	Oh, you're the same age as me.
	That's a good vintage.
	How's your knee, by the way?
	Not bad.
	It was playing up yesterday.
	I just got a... My wife... My son moved out.
	He's at med school.
	So he took his Concept 3 stationary bike with him.
	So Katie ordered me a replacement.
	So finally I'll have... I won't have any excuse not to... It's crazy.
	Half an hour on a stationary bike and my knee is good for the day.
	It's crazy.
	Keep squatting too.
	Doing squats is phenomenal.
	The trouble is I have no glutes.
	I have literally, I'm the flattest ass guy on the planet.
	So when I do a lot of squats, I feel it like it like burning for like days afterwards.
	But you're right.
	You're right.
	And those exercises on the stairs, where you just kind of hold the position going up and down one step.
	That's a killer for the quad.
	How's your quad?
	It's good, but I mean, if I don't use it, like when I was doing surveillance for two weeks and I was in my RV following somebody for two weeks, I never really got out of that RV hardly at all.
	And for a month after that, it was lost.
	You know what just happened?
	Mark Levin did the same thing to his quad.
	I was wondering if, so that was his quad tendon he tore.
	Yeah, he tore his quad muscle and he had the surgery, he's having the surgery right now.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You tore a tendon though, right?
	No, I separated the whole quad off my knee.
	My whole quad muscle separated off my knee.
	Oof.
	Well, I tore the whole tendon off my knee.
	That's nothing.
	That's happens around I
	You You
	I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
	I don't believe that he was fighting himself, but he had put up signs in Kiev, Ukraine's capital, offering to help other foreigners find places in Ukrainian battalions.
	And that's how I initially came across him.
	I spoke with him, I think, once on the phone and texted frequently, and he put me in touch with several foreign fighters.
	Now, he seemed very genuine and passionate about supporting Ukraine.
	He mentioned plans to bring in thousands of Afghan and Syrian fighters, which I took, frankly, with a grain of salt.
	Well, isn't that interesting?
	CBS's Holly Williams had regular communications with Ryan Routh, the man who at the weekend tried to assassinate President Trump.
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	So I'm just going to get down to brass tacks, to tactics and operations.
	Right after the second assassination attempt, I tagged Don Jr.
	and Eric, and I said, they've got to hire A few hundred guys who are Tier 1, former SEALs, former DevGuru.
	You know, I don't care whether they're Green Berets or what have you, Delta.
	I'm sure MAGA would fund it.
	I'll be the first donor to that.
	Does that work?
	You professionally do threat assessments.
	Could we at least plus up the Secret Service detail?
	Have an outer perimeter that's made up of former operators in terms of communications, authorities.
	Is that even possible, Jonathan?
	It is.
	I've actually been suggesting that for my company because the reality is what he desperately needs are people to walk the perimeter and for eyes on target.
	So before he gets there and while he's there, look at every single one of these issues that's occurred has been resolved because there was either a witness there,
	which we saw two days ago, or in Pennsylvania, all these individuals were yelling,
	there's a guy on the roof.
	And I think if the Trump campaign hired a team of guys, like I have, it wouldn't take more than probably 10 guys,
	if even that, because what we would be is a force multiplier that monitors
	and works on the perimeter.
	And even if it's an off-the-record movement, like, you know, he stops at a whatever, you know, McDonald's on the way somewhere, or goes playing to golf, you guys could deploy ahead, screen the area, and if there's an issue, the president doesn't go there.
	It's as simple as that because obviously the Secret Service is not doing that.
	And I think he's got people around him that can, you know, apparently jump on him if need be.
	But the communications have not been great.
	The tactics have not changed.
	And the biggest place where these avenues of approach for these attackers are occurring is on the perimeter.
	And if you have people that know what to look for, and how do we know what to look for?
	We look at it from the attacker's point of view.
	And that is a skill set that we have learned over the years by being attackers.
	And so I think this is something that could help him out tremendously.
	I think it's an evolution in security that's needed anyway.
	And it's not, this isn't mystical.
	This isn't magical.
	This is all very, very doable and relatively simple.
	I think most people believe that local law enforcement and the Secret Service are doing that.
	But as we've seen also in both locations, local law enforcement is not doing that.
	So it would just be a matter of coordinating with the local law enforcement and the Trump campaign, and then we would deploy basically ahead of them and do our own You know, speedy threat assessments and also just eyes on watching to see if we see anything odd.
	That seems to be the solution to most of this that we've seen.
	Okay.
	And should Ronald Rowe Jr., should he be fired?
	Should he resign instantly?
	I can't even believe he had the, I don't want to say attitude, but the ego to show up down there and say the things.
	If you all have not watched that press conference from yesterday, it's like a Saturday Night Live skit.
	From the Barney Five Sheriff down there as a Democrat, to the I'm Mr. Macho Secret Service Acting Director, to the guy that looks like You know, he got beat up in school and then won the lottery and walks around like he's going to kick sand in people's faces.
	That's what the FBI special agent in charge in Miami looks like.
	It's unbelievable.
	And, Sebastian, I'll just tell you, I just want to say one other thing about the Varney issue this morning.
	Hold on.
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	the reality of when he cut me off because he didn't like the fact that I
	said that the Democrats are wanting to see Trump dead Um, but I think that's a good thing.
	When you look at the totality of these circumstances and you look at the The phrases that people are using online, you're seeing that they're going to these chat rooms or these different chat platforms, and they're basically having the dialogue imprinted on their brains, and then they go out and they repeat that stuff.
	And so these individuals, like this shooter and like the other shooter, they succumb to that type of stuff.
	And I think when we see the reality of all this stuff's going on, We have to realize that if we don't start taking charge of this situation, it's going to be very bad.
	And so when I try to say things on media platforms, I'm trying to educate people, not get clicks.
	And I think the American people need to start seeing that they need to start repeating things that are true over and over like they do so it becomes truth.
	Unlike many others, it's not about clicks for Jonathan, it's about the truth.
	Thank you, buddy.
	JonathanTGilliam.com.
	You got it, my friend.
	Talk to you Thursday.
	You got it.
	Thanks.
	Thanks, bye.
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	Is that sufficient to identify there's only one O'Donnell affiliated with the FBI?
	Could you please state your full name, sir?
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	I love being on the show.
	I don't love the circumstances.
	But, you know, if I can help spread the awareness of sort of standing up for our rights and resisting weaponized federal agents who have absolutely become part of this left-wing democratic regime, you know, it's a service to the cause and I'm happy to do it.
	God bless you.
	You remind me so much of Andrew Breitbart, who in a very famous clip said once, you know what?
	In your pocket, in your phone, you have more video and audio power than journalists have had for decades.
	You are a whole camera crew.
	And when these feds rolled up to your house, You had committed no crime.
	They refused to give you their names.
	They said, oh, well, I've got a badge.
	I can buy that badge on Amazon.
	I could buy a hundred of them right now.
	It means nothing.
	And they tried to harass you.
	You refused.
	We'll show the end of it when they run away like little cowards.
	But that is the Gestapo.
	So do you have any idea why they were at your house?
	Did you tweet something about Kamala having a bad haircut.
	What was your thought crime, Jeremy?
	Well, I'm not going to investigate myself.
	These guys are federal agents.
	If they believe that I broke a law, they can tell me what I did that broke the law.
	I think that's exactly what they want, is to create this kind of chilling effect where you feel scared.
	And so he couldn't say, neither of these people could say, why they were there.
	And so I'm not going to speculate for them.
	What we need to be asking is, why The Harris Biden regime is sending around agents trying to intimidate people, won't say their names, won't say why they're there.
	I mean, that is, I never thought I would live in an America where that kind of thing would happen.
	No, you're absolutely right.
	And your approach is courageous and exactly the approach that has to be taken.
	Let's play the second half of the cut, and for those who are watching us on Pluto and Rumble, watch the face of the agent on the left.
	The other one's kind of like non-expressive.
	The other one knows he's being a political thug for the Deep State, and he is embarrassed because of what Jeremy says to him, which is the truth.
	So play the second cut.
	I want to talk to you about you guys coming here.
	Say you make a salary of I don't know what.
	Low $100K?
	You guys making six figures?
	Factor in 50% expenses, overhead, maybe 100% expenses?
	Talking about burning a couple hundred dollars an hour just here, let alone all the time you guys are spending to investigate something that you know is not against the law, right?
	Like, you're familiar with... So then why would you come?
	Because we wanted to make sure that there weren't any... No, you're coming because you're part of a regime that does this kind of thing when you know laws aren't being broken.
	And that's an embarrassment, man.
	Didn't you guys read the Constitution?
	Do you not believe in America?
	Like, how do you do your jobs and go home?
	And then they get in their black SUV and they disappear and you call them cowards.
	Just out of human interest, where do you get a spine like that?
	Were you like a prosecutor?
	Where'd you get that, Jeremy?
	I will say it's something that I've practiced.
	I remember being You know, like 20 or so years old and I was in the passenger seat of a car with my mom and we went through a DUI checkpoint and I just refused to talk to the officers because I felt like as a passenger in a car, like, what are you, you know, because I, you know, look, and I'm not trying to encourage drunk driving or even approving of the policing, but the idea of a police checkpoint to me, absent evidence of a crime, is also something that we don't want to be normalizing in America.
	And so that was something I used to practice.
	anytime that police were stopping vehicles forcibly, I would attempt to communicate that with them
	as little as possible.
	I've also practiced coming back into the United States.
	Again, I am for, I'm not an open borders kind of right-wing libertarian.
	I'm a right-wing libertarian who believes we do need to have a system here.
	But if the federal government can tell I'm an American citizen,
	they start asking me too many questions about what I was doing abroad.
	But frankly, I don't think that's their business.
	And so I have practiced sort of seeing how much you can push back
	and you practice something, you get better at it, it turns out.
	So this was not the first time I've tried to do this.
	And you can do the same kinds of things that cops do.
	And you know what cops do is they always maintain their frame.
	They almost ignore what you say and just keep saying what they want to say.
	And it turns out you can do it back to them.
	And so I just ignored what they said and just went right back with what I wanted to say, which is, why are you here?
	What are you doing?
	Have you read the Constitution?
	And you should be embarrassed.
	And they should be embarrassed.
	We need some FBI whistleblowers or something.
	We need some people to come forward because there are You know, celebrities, they're prominent people who are,
	you're making very threatening comments about Donald Trump.
	Is the FBI going around to their house?
	I don't think they are.
	I think this is something that is, again, part of this left-wing authoritarian regime.
	And by the way, the regime press isn't gonna cover this.
	It's got tens of millions of views on X.
	This is a huge story where X, you know, X, we still have free speech on X,
	and I encourage people to follow me there.
	But the regime press isn't gonna cover this.
	So we have this left-wing authoritarian structure that combines.
	Federal agents, federal bureaucracies, colleges, universities.
	Permanent bureaucracy and the media.
	Follow this man right now at JeremyKaufman on Twitter, that's two F's, and KaufJ.com.
	Jeremy, we salute you.
	You understand the American Constitution.
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	Vance.
	Sorry, Eugene, Jeff, what is Eugene Robinson saying there?
	That MAGA World is phoning in bomb threats to Springfield, Ohio?
	Yes, they're directly responsible for it.
	Trump and Vansar.
	What's the problem with that?
	Didn't the governor, didn't that strange-looking governor of the state say something that kind of is a bit weird, if it's MAGA supporters?
	Yeah, all 33 threats have come from a different country.
	Really?
	Yes.
	You mean, not inside America?
	No.
	So it's like JD Vance going to Canada to make those calls?
	No, they like the story too much.
	They like the idea, so they like to try to blame it on Trump and Vance.
	Well, let's listen from Mike DeWine.
	I was watching this clip with my wife this morning and I thought, and I asked her, how does somebody like that even get to be a governor?
	Cut eight.
	So I want to say to the parents in Springfield, these hoaxes, these threats, have all been hoaxes.
	None of them have panned out.
	We have people, unfortunately, overseas, who are taking these actions.
	Jeff, doesn't he look like the incompetent librarian you had in high school?
	I think he looks like the Republican version of Harry Reid.
	How did people like that get to be governors?
	I thought the same thing about him.
	Then I looked it up.
	He's been involved in politics forever.
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	I think the Springfield cats and dogs thing is genius.
	Why?
	How many people are paying attention to what's happening in Springfield right now who weren't?
	How many people now know that 20,000 illegals have been shipped into that town of 60,000, overwhelming it with a true invasion?
	I don't care if the cats or dogs are being eaten.
	Of course I do, because I like dogs.
	But the fact is, it's the Streisand effect.
	Don't share photographs of my massive villa!
	And then everybody wants to see the massive villa even more.
	So the cats and dogs, whether true or not, is irrelevant to the point of what the illegals invading our nation thanks to the Biden administration.
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	So, she just started by saying she's going to do this, she's going to do that, she's
	going to do all these wonderful things.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She's been there for three and a half years.
	They've had three and a half years to fix the border.
	They've had three and a half years to create jobs and all the things we talked about.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do.
	But you haven't done it and you won't do it.
	That was just a small part of the closing statements from the debate last week between Kamala Harris and President Trump.
	We have to analyze that and the events of this weekend and the latest piece in the New York Sun from our regular friend, our fan favorite here on America First, Lord Conrad Black, the author most recently of The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1.
	Conrad, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	We haven't discussed the debate, I don't think, at least not in these terms.
	I'd like you to be my sounding board, because I was at a watch party with a very maggot crowd of individuals in Northern Virginia, and my wife and I left early.
	It had been a long day, and we were less than Satisfied with the performance of our candidate and my former boss.
	And we thought that it was, of course, 3 to 1.
	The moderators were outrageous.
	They weren't moderators at all.
	And the president allowed himself to be goaded by both Harris and the quote-unquote moderators.
	However, since then, I have moderated my analysis because of the many polls of independents That seemed to favor President Trump's performance and as one friend of mine put it if you're in the middle if you're undecided
	You have a very different set of standards.
	President Trump simply had to convince them that he's not a monster, as depicted by the mainstream media.
	And Kamala Harris had to provide some actual policy substance.
	President Trump delivered on the former, and Harris failed to deliver on the latter.
	What is your read of the significance of the debate?
	I'm pretty close to yours, but I'd go a little farther.
	Harris, her first thing was to show she wasn't an idiot, because she often appeared to be an idiot as Vice President.
	I think she made that.
	Now, she memorized these lines.
	She was on autocue, but that's not the point.
	She was fluent.
	Coherent, and I don't mean this nastily, but a welcome contrast to the president whom she serves, who has great difficulty speaking coherently now.
	I mean, at a human level, we all sympathize with him, but that's how it is.
	And so I think she got over that hurdle.
	The second hurdle was the one you said she had to produce some substantive policy, and she didn't.
	So she stumbles enough and gets up, goes to the next hurdle, which was she had to either mount a defense for the administration, in which she's been the co-captain, or if she can't do that, take her distance from it and start the business about, well, look, I was only the vice president.
	If it had been up to me, I would have done things differently.
	She didn't do that either.
	And so, again, she stumbled over that hurdle and into the cinders.
	And so, you know, she had three hurdles to get over and she only got over one of them.
	And when you look at the fact that, which I find quite stunning, that the president is getting an edge in most polls, you know, the trustworthy ones, Trafalgar and others, but how is it, given the last three and a half years, do you have any theory or explanation That given the millions of illegals, war in Europe, war in the Middle East, inflation, the price of gas, that to all intents and purposes, it's neck and neck.
	How is that possible?
	It is puzzling and it's distressing.
	The best I can do, I'm afraid, is an answer that I'm sure any one of your listeners and viewers could put up, as well as we could.
	I think the combination of the media locking arms in a partisanship against Trump that doesn't seem to have softened at all, despite the fact that the administration that they put in has been such a conspicuous failure, as the polls show in every major policy area, the things you just recited, The public agree with you and me that this administration has failed in those areas.
	Inflation, the border and crime and so forth.
	And so the only ingredient that could cause this to be a close election is the bulk of the national political media whitewashing the Democrats.
	And doing a relentless smear job on the former president.
	Now, with that said, I don't think it's as close as it looks.
	Now, this is just supposition.
	You don't know until the votes are counted.
	Nowadays, counting the votes can go on for quite a while.
	You've got to wait until the Democrats have finished writing up the harvested votes and sending them in.
	It seems to me that Trump has been steadily underestimated in the polls, and other than Rasmussen and Trafalgar, he still is.
	But with that said, I noted that Trafalgar has him trailing in Nevada by one point, which I don't know that he actually is, but that means it's essentially an even election in Nevada.
	Now, that's only six electoral votes, but that surprised me.
	I'm surprised that he's behind in In any of the swing states, though I admit it is a bit of a challenge in Michigan.
	And look, it's a bit of a challenge in Wisconsin, too.
	I think he's, from what I can see, safe enough elsewhere.
	But I think there may also be just a sort of, as they say, a sugar energy shot here.
	That a very tired president has suddenly given way to a quite energetic woman.
	And so it's a much more chipper ambience, you know?
	And she's done well getting this sort of peppy, joyful mood going, even though it's absolute nonsense, of course, and there's no substitute for having a record to stand on that she doesn't run away from.
	and the policy position she's capable of enunciating.
	But I think there may be a little bit of a temporary balloon there with the Democrats
	just because they made that sudden shift from a very beleaguered, tired president to an
	energetic candidate who's— I mean, look, she's an attractive woman, and as long as she's
	got a teleprompter, she speaks well.
	I mean, not well, but fluently.
	And what do you expect in the next 49 days?
	No second debate?
	And just puff pieces?
	I think a modification of a basement campaign.
	had a very, very friendly reception, unlike the one the president received at the National
	Association of Black Journalists.
	Is this going to be a from-the-basement mark-two campaign?
	I think she'll do better than that.
	I think a modification of a basement campaign, I think she'll try and create the illusion
	of getting around, but she'll try to get around guaranteed friendly groups.
	Ultra-friendly.
	We keep losing you.
	Lord Black, are you there?
	Hello?
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	♪♪♪ It was going in and out, and then it just completely broke
	connection.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	No worries.
	Are we on your cell phone or a landline right now?
	This is a landline, but it's a landline that goes over the internet, so it's a little... Oh, right.
	That's why I love the old-school copper wire telephone lines.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Is this from today, Jeff?
	Do you have full confidence in the Secret Service to protect all of you?
	I do.
	Do you feel safe for you and your family?
	I do.
	But, I mean, you can go back to Ohio.
	Not everybody has Secret Service.
	And there are far too many people in our country right now who are not feeling safe.
	I mean, I look at Project 2025 and I look at, you know, like the Don't Say Gay laws coming out of Florida.
	Members of the LGBTQ community don't feel safe right now.
	Immigrants or people with an immigrant background don't feel safe right now.
	Women don't feel safe right now.
	Did she try and connect the Secret Service assassination attempt on President Trump with Springfield, Ohio?
	That's incredible.
	Alright, we'll play that cut with Lloyd Black and then we'll go to Hilary Cutt 16.
	That is stunning.
	It's just... What is that, Cutt 20, Jeff?
	I guess we can make it.
	That's the new thing whenever she's in trouble.
	It's Project 2025.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That is crackers.
	Oh my gosh.
	Okay.
	Alright.
	Two minutes.
	How's the second volume coming?
	I'm just about to start the last chapter.
	Thirty chapters.
	Where do you get up to?
	What period?
	Well, I hope to get right up to the American Revolution.
	Because I've now got the Americas right up into the 18th century.
	All of them.
	You know, Cortez and Pizarro and Plymouth Rock and Champlain and Jacques Cartier and all this stuff.
	So I'm getting warm here.
	But this last chapter, I'll do the Seven Years War, and I hope I can get in the American Revolution.
	And when did you start the whole project?
	When did you first put... Oh, well, it's the reading for it.
	That was over ten years ago.
	Wow.
	No, it's been a lot of work, but I'm... You know what it's like, Sebastian.
	There's nothing as pleasant I don't know.
	I have a different take.
	from the absolute fundamental pleasures of one kind or another.
	There's nothing more agreeable than hitting the send button on a manuscript.
	You know, you finally satisfy...
	I don't know, I have a different take.
	I hate the idea of writing, but once I am, and it drives my wife insane, I hate having
	the sword of Damocles over my head.
	Once I'm in the act of writing, I immensely enjoy it.
	And the send at the end is, that's kind of neither here nor there.
	I actually enjoy the process.
	I'd say, well, we all do it a bit differently.
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	We are back with Lord Conrad Black, author most recently of Volume 1 of The Political and Strategic History of the World.
	Lord Black, I was mentioning the fact that just an hour ago the current presidential candidate for the Democrats was at a very friendly location with the National Association of Black Journalists that treated President Trump a little bit differently a few weeks ago, and you said, Her challenge was to prove in the debate that she's not an idiot.
	Well, she didn't have a script, she didn't have a teleprompter, and asked about the second attempt on the President's life and the surety of the Secret Service's ability to do their role.
	Her response was quite stunning.
	This is from moments ago, Kamala Harris.
	Do you have full confidence in the Secret Service to protect all of you?
	I do.
	Do you feel safe for you and your family?
	I do.
	But, I mean, you can go back to Ohio.
	Not everybody has Secret Service.
	And there are far too many people in our country right now who are not feeling safe.
	I mean, I look at Project 2025 and I look at, you know, like the Don't Say Gay laws coming out of Florida.
	Members of the LGBTQ community don't feel safe right now.
	Immigrants or people with an immigrant background don't feel safe right now.
	Women don't feel safe right now.
	A second attempt on President Trump's life in the space of nine weeks.
	She's asked about the capacity of the Secret Service to protect her and other dignitaries, and she talks about Springfield, Ohio, and the threat to LGBTQ LMNOP, Lord Black.
	It's utterly fatuous.
	I mean, it is at that point where we have to pinch ourselves.
	As I'm sure most of your listeners and you are almost nauseated by the endless recitation of the phrase, the American people, for whom everybody seems happy to speak.
	But it would be truly distressing to me if a huge echelon of opinion in the country wasn't just tired of this nonsense.
	I mean, attempts on the president's life, and she starts talking about, you know, Individuals of different groups around the country.
	And of course, Project 2025.
	Well, yeah, that's the other one, which incidentally, as far as I've seen it, it makes a lot of sense, but it has nothing to do with what the president, ex-president, is promising.
	I mean, he didn't write it and he hasn't approved it.
	Let's talk about... You know, we might as well start complaining about the protocols of the elders of Zion and imputing them to Harris and Biden.
	I mean, they'd be as accurate as that.
	Let's talk about somebody else who wants to be back in the limelight.
	This is Hillary Clinton with a... Well, I'll let you qualify it.
	She has an idea for putting people in prison.
	I guess that she disagrees with the things that they say.
	This is Hillary Clinton, cut 16.
	...and boosting Trump back in 2016.
	But I also think there are Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda.
	And whether they should be civilly or even in some cases criminally charged is something that would be a better deterrence because... Would criminal charges for those propagating disinformation, would that apply to Hillary Clinton and the Russia dossier against President Trump, Lord Black?
	If that was to become a criminal matter, I think she would be defendant number one in terms of the egregious offense that she committed.
	And indeed, by the way, I think what went on should have been prosecuted.
	I'm not sure of who the defendants would be.
	you start with Comey and Brennan and Clapper and take it from there.
	But this is, again, I hate to say this, and whenever I've met Mrs. Clinton, she's been
	perfectly nice, and I'm not a Clinton basher, but she's essentially a fabrication, too.
	She was the President's wife.
	She parlayed that into being Senator from New York, which, whoever the Democratic nominee is, is elected automatically these days, and whoever the chief celebrity is gets the nomination.
	And then she was the Secretary of State, and in neither role did she distinguish herself in the slightest.
	And this idea developed that she was the best person to be president because she was a woman who'd been close to the White House and in the White House.
	But she hasn't earned her spurs as a president any more than the candidate I have now has.
	We're almost out of time, but I want people to read in full your latest piece at the New York Sun.
	Let me ask you just one question, because it does regard the Never Trump movement, especially Peggy Noonan.
	I don't know how somebody who was a former deputy chief of staff managed to translate that into a media career.
	Of course, I'm talking about Karl Rove.
	Are they and the rest of the Never Trump reprobates, is that movement dead in the water?
	Especially if God willing we do our part and President Trump wins?
	I think if Trump wins...
	Actually, I think they would both support whoever the candidate of the Republicans is four years from now.
	So I think they would, as long as it wasn't Trump himself.
	As long as it wasn't Donald Trump Jr.
	or Eric Trump, correct?
	No, I don't think it's as bad as that.
	I don't think they have any grievance against the former president's family.
	But look, I think they're both fine people, Peggy Noonan and Karl Rove.
	I know them, and they are.
	They're very, very nice people.
	And very civilized and intelligent.
	Except in what they write and say.
	Except they just can't get over the sense of deprivation that Trump has displaced, you know, the Reagan Republican era that Peggy Noonan was part of, and the Bush era that Karl Rove was instrumental in prolonging with the second President Bush.
	And in fairness, by the way, he may only have been the deputy chief of staff, but he was the political strategist, and he deserves the credit for that.
	But they just can't deal with it.
	But I think if Donald Trump isn't there anymore, they'll be fine, and they'll come back as Republicans.
	I'm not so sure.
	I'm not so sure.
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	And they, they, they're going to end up as political homeless people.
	Um, but, uh, I mean, right now, how does it look to you?
	It seems to me Trump has a slight edge, but it is closer than I would like.
	Well, he does, but they're going to pull out all the stops.
	I mean, you know, ballot harvesting and what have you.
	I mean, voting begins in several states today.
	I mean, that's the insanity.
	But what do you make of their claim that they're ready for it this year?
	No, I don't think they're ready for it everywhere.
	I think they've only brought requisite legislation in less than two dozen states, and I don't know, I don't have the visibility on how effective the ground game is.
	You know, I hear the reports of, you know, a thousand lawyers being hired by the RNC, but I don't know if, I can't verify that, but better than it was, better than it was four years ago, better than it was Two years ago, but still.
	And he's running, even now, he's running well ahead in the polls of where he was four years ago.
	Yes.
	That is true.
	And we can hope that there will be a bump from those who refuse to admit to anyone that they're voting for President Trump.
	And a bump, frankly, from people who are a little tired of lunatics taking shots at the candidates for President.
	You'd hope.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Alright.
	Well, we fight on.
	We fight on.
	That's it.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	God bless.
	Bye-bye.
	Right.
	Bye-bye.
	Who requested these Daybreak Reads?
	Dunna.
	Oh.
	Okay.
	Should I just send them to you, then?
	The videos?
	No.
	Okay.
	I'm gonna send you some images from the weekend.
	okay...
	sent All right.
	The loonies with the masks I'll do last.
	But first I'll tell a story so you've got time.
	Okay.
	We don't have any more guests, right?
	No, good.
	No.
	All right.
	Did you email or text it?
	Text it, but it's going to take a moment because it's like five or six images.
	Oh, okay.
	Oh, yep.
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	I've got a new location for my stories because up to now, where have my stories occurred?
	Eric, where do we do my stories?
	The post office.
	Yes.
	Walking the dogs.
	Yes.
	7-Eleven.
	7-Eleven.
	A park, I think?
	No, there was one story I told at the veterinary clinic.
	Yes, yes.
	And now I have a new cafe.
	It is my new Lebanese cafe.
	And they make this, don't ask, okay?
	I know the name doesn't make sense because it's not Middle Eastern.
	A Spanish iced coffee with cardamom.
	And I had one on the way here and it was delicious.
	Now, my story occurred last week, because it's been a crazy, crazy couple of days.
	And I started with a mea culpa, an apology to my former boss, President Trump.
	I was at that cafe about a month ago, and a lot of the people there are from the Middle East, pro-Palestine.
	There were leaflets there, and I get it.
	And out of caution, when one of the young servers asked me, what is this pin you wear?
	And I said, it's the presidential service pin.
	Out of not wanting to cause a scene, I didn't tell them which president, which I almost always do.
	I say I worked for President Trump in the White House.
	So that's my one moment of losing my fortitude in the last few years, and I apologize for that.
	However, I think I made up for it.
	On Saturday, I think it was, I've decided that at the weekend, and wherever possible, when I'm not in a suit, I'm going to wear my Red Maga hat everywhere.
	Hang on, we're not going there yet.
	We'll go to that in a second.
	This is still in the cafe, guys.
	Calm down.
	We'll get to the Latino-Hispanic Festival in a second, thank you.
	And I wore my hat to the cafe, knowing that there are pro-Palestinian, probably lots of liberals there.
	And sure enough, there was one!
	And I walked up to the counter, and this Asian woman, she gave me the dagger eyes, acted as if she's about to vomit when she looked at my hat, and I said, Don't worry, madam.
	It's only a hat.
	At which point, she started to get, well, not exactly rude, or a little bit rude, telling me not to talk to her and that I should shut up.
	And I said to her, Madam, you have your cult.
	I have my party of patriots.
	Please relax.
	And then I ordered my Spanish iced coffee with cardamom.
	And she walked out in a huff.
	Now, what happened in the next three minutes Is why everyone listening to this show should wear a red MAGA hat wherever you go for the next 49 days.
	First, the black woman behind the counter, who I now found out is from Eritrea, I knew she had an accent, looked at my hat and said, make America great again.
	Wow.
	That's the black immigrant behind the counter.
	And she said, nice hat.
	The white woman next to me said, I love your hat.
	And then as I'm waiting for them to make my iced Spanish coffee with cardamom, a gentleman sitting in the corner with another gentleman says, hey, why didn't you come over here?
	This is a MAGA only table.
	I did not expect to be that much of a human catalyst.
	But it was great.
	Going into a place you think is going to be full of crazy libs, because I live in Northern Virginia.
	It's full of crazy libs.
	But then, within the space of 180 seconds, a black immigrant from Africa.
	The white lady next to me and the gentleman sitting there publicly affirm Make America Great Again simply because I have a hat with those words on it.
	Guys, you need to be that catalyst.
	Eric sat there all day yesterday with his beautiful MAGA hat on his head here in the studio.
	Come on, guys.
	You don't even have to, you know, get one of the official ones like, I bought my team from Trump Tower.
	Or one of the Make America Great Again t-shirts that we have at the website.
	Make one!
	I don't care!
	With a sharpie on a white t-shirt.
	But tell the world who you are.
	Because it's up to us.
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	Group shot.
	That's great.
	Katie at the booth.
	Love it.
	Gentleman at the booth.
	Yes.
	And then to the food.
	Nice.
	Followed by... God, that looks so good.
	The loonies, right?
	And then lastly, yep.
	Okay, good.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, thank you.
	Scoping out the scene.
	What are they doing all the way up there?
	They're afraid.
	That's how they watch the festival from like a hundred yards away.
	I mean, just loonies.
	Wearing masks, of course.
	Yep.
	So what are they, like, afraid of each other?
	Because there are only two people.
	I don't know.
	Oh, need a title for Black and for Kauffman.
	He said something good.
	What was it?
	For Kauffman, how to stand up to FBI goons.
	Goons.
	Mostly the debate, but also, you could ask, is the Never Trump movement dead?
	I know it was towards the end.
	That's a good, catchy title.
	Or did President Trump actually win the debate?
	So he didn't get bail.
	Oh dear.
	Oh dear.
	Hey, Walt's can't do Thursday.
	So there's like four hearings that day.
	Okay The DDDDDD you know what
	Yes?
	Shouldn't we get Thingy on, um, Kaufman?
	I was just gonna say that, yeah, the guy we just had on.
	That was so good.
	Yeah, get him approved.
	Let me get him approved first, though, before we ask him.
	Ah, yeah, get him approved.
	We never had him on Newsmax, right?
	I don't think so.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Stories here.
	Mm-hmm.
	There you go.
	Thanks for watching.
	I'll see you next time.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	30.
	Okay.
	Dr. G is ready for anything on America First.
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	Gotta work that out.
	Gotta have a word with Phil and Tom, the big bosses.
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	All right, more stories before we go to your calls, more stories, because I work for Katie Gorka right now, because, well, she is the chair of the biggest county in Virginia for the GOP, and this Saturday was the Herndon Festival, Hispanic Latina Festival, and we went there, and I helped man a booth, and it was a lot of fun, so much fun that, well, you know, it changed the way I think about things.
	By the end of the day, there's Katie with one of the lovely ladies who helped her out.
	Think about this.
	We're in Northern Virginia.
	Young men coming up to us.
	Hispanic Americans coming up to the booth.
	By the end of the festival, we had run out of Trump-Vance yard signs.
	Eric, would you have expected that in Northern Virginia?
	At a Hispanic festival?
	That's the best news along those lines I've heard since they said a lot of Yunkin signs were being seen in North Virginia in 2021.
	It's a good sign.
	We ran out of them.
	I mean people don't go to a... I mean we went there for the... most people go there for what?
	The music and the food.
	Wow.
	Was the food good or was it good?
	They don't go there for Trump, Vance, yard signs, but it's changed.
	People have had enough, except for the two lunatics.
	Can you imagine?
	It's a beautiful day.
	An old white man and a woman, not old, maybe like in their 50s or 60s, walked around the whole festival with masks on, and they stood on a walkway a hundred feet above the fun.
	Eric, why would you go to a festival In a mask and keep a hundred feet away from anybody.
	And wearing the masks when they're so far away from everyone.
	I'm pretty sure social distancing was, what, six feet instead of a hundred feet elevation, you know, vertical and horizontal.
	Why do I think when I see them up on this ledge or balcony, for some reason, I think of Nikolai Ceausescu's final speech.
	Oh, good reference there.
	On the balcony in Bucharest, just before the people said, off with their heads.
	What lunatics.
	All right, let's go to your calls.
	Pete in Columbus, Ohio, line one.
	Hey, Seb, this is Pete, as you said.
	I'm kind of getting the kick out of listening to all the people trying to analyze Trump in the debate.
	Uh-huh.
	Why?
	You know, there's a fallback.
	If you're a professional and you're a genius like Trump, you know that you're timing things out based on the fact that you have an audience that's clicking in and clicking out.
	Right.
	Clicking in and clicking out.
	Right.
	You tell them what you told them, and you tell them again.
	You tell him what you told him, and you tell him again.
	He got the message across, no matter what anybody says.
	He went to a fallback.
	He's a genius.
	He was upset, but he stuck to the plan.
	Because it's on the Lincoln-Douglas debate, very few people sat through the whole thing, and what matters are the soundbites that come out of it.
	That's what you're saying.
	Amen.
	I mean, I worked with a lot of top-tier corporate executives in my past in the 1990s.
	One of them got in trouble because of an election.
	I can't go there because I don't know who this is.
	But I'm willing to tell you Trump is a genius.
	Let Trump be Trump and he'll win.
	Thank you.
	You've inspired me Pete.
	The best part of the debate was the part I missed because I left the watch party with my wife Katie.
	It had been a very long day already.
	And here's a reminder, the last two minutes of the debate from President Trump, he won the coin toss!
	And I think you're right.
	It's these little clips that matter.
	And this was absolutely stunning.
	So she just started by saying she's gonna do this, she's gonna do that, she's gonna do all these wonderful things.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She's been there for three and a half years.
	They've had three and a half years to fix the border.
	They've had three and a half years to Create jobs and all the things we talked about.
	Why hasn't she done it?
	She should leave right now, go down to that beautiful White House, go to the Capitol, get everyone together and do the things you want to do, but you haven't done it and you won't do it.
	Because you believe in things that the American people don't believe in.
	You believe in things like we're not going to frack.
	We're not going to take fossil fuel.
	We're not going to do things that are going to make this country strong, whether you like it or not.
	Germany tried that.
	And within one year, they were back to building normal energy plants.
	We're not ready for it.
	We can't sacrifice our country for the sake of bad vision.
	But I just ask one simple question.
	Why didn't she do it?
	We're a failing nation.
	We're a nation that's in serious decline.
	We're being laughed at all over the world.
	All over the world they laugh.
	I know the leaders very well.
	They're coming to see me.
	They call me.
	We're laughed at all over the world.
	They don't understand what happened to us as a nation.
	We're not a leader.
	We don't have any idea what's going on.
	We have wars going on in the Middle East.
	We have wars going on with Russia and Ukraine.
	We're going to end up in a third world war and it'll be a war like no other because of nuclear weapons, the power of weaponry.
	I rebuilt our entire military.
	She gave a lot of it away to the Taliban.
	She gave it to Afghanistan.
	What these people have done to our country and maybe toughest of all is allowing millions of Boom.
	Mic drop.
	come into our country many of them are criminals and they're destroying our
	country the worst president the worst vice president in the history of our
	country.
	Boom. Mic drop. And their motto for her campaign is turn the page.
	A new way forward?
	Do Democrats even know that she's the Vice President?
	I mean, are they really that ignorant?
	Turn the page?
	Turn the page on what?
	You're the second most powerful person in the world for the last three and a half years.
	Do your followers, does your tribe of Democrats really not know That you're in the administration.
	You're not a challenger.
	You're not an outsider.
	You are the problem.
	You are the reason why America is failing.
	And you are, whatever your campaign and the mainstream lying media says, you are the Borders Arena.
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	This thing with the Hezbollah pagers is just so...
	We didn't even discuss it!
	It's so good.
	I have the footage.
	Luminator!
	You wanna save it for tomorrow?
	Yeah, uh... No, we should talk about it now.
	Okay.
	You've got the stuff, right?
	I got the footage.
	They were pagers, right?
	Not phones?
	Yes.
	Pagers.
	Has that been a known thing that you can make pagers do that?
	Yes, they did it with the number one Hamas bomb maker a few years ago.
	Can they do it all at the same time too?
	It was like 300 or something all at once.
	That's so good.
	Have you got it?
	Yeah, I have the footage.
	Show me.
	Playback too.
	Alright, and you gotta use my tweet that I just posted.
	you I'll send it to you.
	Like a screenshot of it?
	I could...
	I could...
	You You
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	Listen to him.
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	We need more of the Gawker man line.
	I love that.
	I recently tweeted this.
	Almost forgot about this story.
	We have to mention it.
	The latest is... No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	We're going to do the tweet first.
	Thank you.
	This is the latest Mossad agent who has been identified come out of deep cover.
	Oh, do you have it yet or not?
	OK, well, I'll keep talking until you have it.
	Just whisper in my ear when you have it.
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	Okay, so a Mossad agent has been openly identified.
	He has a rather unusual name.
	It is Moti Rola, and he has been identified.
	Why?
	Because of the news of hundreds of pages exploding across Beirut and Lebanon.
	Pages, yes they use pages in that part of the world, that belong to, oh yes, here's what I tweeted.
	You gotta love the Israelis.
	Vasectomy by C4.
	What is Gorka talking about?
	He's talking about this that occurred just a few hours ago.
	Hundreds of pages belonging to members of Hezbollah who are carrying them on their waists.
	Detonated at the same time.
	I'm sorry, that is flipping genius.
	They used to do this with individuals.
	The mechanic, a very famous jihadi bomb maker, was, well, he had his head very suddenly removed when his cell phone exploded after he took a call.
	But, Pages, Jeff, are you impressed with the Israeli targeting of Hezbollah in Beirut?
	Yes, I can't believe that's a thing that you can do that either.
	I just, I'm sorry, you know, you just gotta salute them.
	This is a nation that knows how to innovate, a nation that is on the front lines, and a nation who managed to get hundreds of pages onto the belts of Hezbollah jihadis, and they already put charges into them that they could detonate at will.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	That's how you deal with evil.
	These are the people who took hostages, killed hostages.
	These are the people who raped and murdered women on October the 7th.
	I can't believe we are just around the corner from the first anniversary.
	I hope our Jewish friends are going to organize some important memorial events in just a few weeks time so we can send a message to all jihadis, even those who have Had certain bits of them removed thanks to those pages and where they were placed, God bless our Israeli cousins.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	Next up, the Deep State.
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	Butler, Pennsylvania.
	Nine weeks ago, I never expected to say that was the first time they tried to kill my former boss, President Trump.
	But as of this weekend, the second instance, this time at the Trump International, West Palm Beach.
	We have Ryan Routh, a pro-Ukraine, alleged foreign fighter, combatant from that war, with a Soviet pattern AK rifle and ceramic body armor, identified at the perimeter of the golf course, engaged by the secret police, and then apprehended alive by the state troopers.
	How did we get here?
	Is the media going to memory hold this one again?
	We'll discuss that and the future of conservatism on both sides of the pond with our special in-studio guest.
	He's the US correspondent for GB News.
	We're delighted to have Stephen Edgerton in studio.
	Thank you very much, Sam.
	Alright, so can I have fun first?
	Can I just display to our three and a half million listeners that fake news is not just a problem on this side of the pond.
	Because I was on Sky News in the wee hours of Sunday morning and it went like this.
	We have heard from the White House, from President Biden, a statement in which the President and Vice President, they have been briefed about the security incident at the Trump International Golf Course, where former President Trump was golfing.
	They're relieved to know that he is safe.
	They will be kept regularly updated by their team.
	And further to that, Kamala Harris has said that she is pleased that Donald Trump is safe and there's no place for violence in America.
	Yeah, these are the same people who call my former boss a threat to democracy and I want to be dictator.
	They are part of the problem.
	You don't accept that they are pleased that he is safe?
	I reject everything that comes out of their mendacious mouths.
	They are absolute liars and hacks who hate America and my former boss and anybody who believes in the idea of making America great again.
	Yes, they are liars.
	So you are saying that the President of the United States, Joe Biden, is lying when he says that he's relieved that Donald Trump is safe?
	That man doesn't even know what day of the week it is.
	He's a senile bag of oatmeal.
	Well, I think that's a A very base level of accusation against President Trump.
	Are you here to give your opinions or ask your guest questions?
	I mean, are you a journalist who wants me to answer questions from a position of having worked in the White House?
	Are you here to lecture your audience?
	I'm asking questions, but I'm not giving you a platform to insult others who are not here to defend themselves.
	Then don't invite me on your show.
	Can you promise me that?
	Sebastian Gorka, thank you very much for speaking to us.
	Don't know if I'll get invited back to Sky News, but it seems you have a problem with opinion providers and not journalists in the UK as well, Stephen.
	Is that true?
	I think you made a really interesting point that she wasn't allowing criticism of Joe Biden for being old, which I think everyone in the world could see at that famous debate with him and Donald Trump.
	And yet on Sky News, all the time, they have people on criticising Donald Trump, the former president, being incredibly personal and attacking him.
	And they cut you off in a way that I find utterly bizarre.
	I think that was a great example of the British media landscape.
	On the whole, broadcast media in the UK leans to the left.
	Which is not new, but when I was a kid, Fleet Street weren't puppy dogs for the Labour Party.
	They were kind of vicious to everyone, which is what I expect.
	But there's a nuance between Fleet Street, the press, the written press, and the broadcast media.
	And the broadcast media, until GB News came along, all had the very similar opinions of the elite, mainstream, London-centric political class.
	And I'm glad that GB News is there to balance that out, to provide alternative viewpoints, and to be a disruptor in the broadcast world.
	Well, we are too, and we're glad that they sent you over here to Washington, D.C.
	It's only been a couple of days, but what is the U.K.
	media response to the events in West Palm Beach?
	Are they trying to do what happened here already on the day of the incident, which is to blame the victim and say his rhetoric is the cause of this violence?
	I think it was probably very similar to the US liberal media response, which is first of all to sort of question the narrative coming out of the Trump campaign.
	You know, you had people saying this statement from the Trump campaign, kind of questioning it almost to begin with.
	And then suddenly the FBI were getting involved in confirming all the reports.
	And I think the UK media, if anything, they're probably playing it down a little bit.
	You know, this is seen as very much a story that perhaps aids Donald Trump.
	It doesn't look good for his enemies who keep saying he's a threat to democracy.
	He's akin to Hitler.
	And, you know, what people think, if there's going to be another Hitler, then we must kill Hitler.
	So I think the UK media has definitely played this down a little bit.
	But, of course, they are playing it fair in some ways.
	I don't think they've completely ignored the story.
	They haven't, but as of Monday morning, and this is my work sometimes, I'll tune into the radio I used to listen to as a kid, and sadly it is a shadow of its former self, London Broadcasting Company, LBC, all through Monday morning, they mention now and again the attempt on, the second, I can't believe I'm saying that, the second attempt on President Trump's life, but the primary story for most of the morning was some BBC journalist called Hugh, who was found to have a paedophilic material on his computer, and the shock and horror that a famous storied announcer has been convicted of being a sexual pervert.
	That was the news, Steve.
	Well, Hugh Edwards is an interesting story, to be fair, I think.
	I mean, he was one of the flagship presenters for BBC, for BBC News.
	He was the man who presented Queen Elizabeth II's death, who announced that live to the nation.
	This was someone the BBC promoted as One of their people who's representing them, their flagship news anchors, the flagship news anchor, and it turned out that he was a paedophile.
	He is a paedophile and he was convicted.
	He got a six month suspended sentence, which I think is pretty extraordinary for having indecent pictures of children on his phone or whatever.
	And yet at the same time in Britain people are sent to prison for 20 months.
	One example of someone who shouted at a police dog at a recent anti-immigration protest.
	Hang on, hang on.
	I missed this one.
	Sorry, what?
	Tell me that again.
	So he was sent to prison for 20 months in part for shouting, this was mentioned by the judge and so on in his trial, for shouting at a police dog.
	That's one of the reasons that they sent him to prison.
	This is real?
	This is serious.
	This is completely real.
	Causing trauma to a vicious German shepherd or something?
	Exactly.
	It's absolutely extraordinary.
	I think it shows these accusations of a two-tier justice system in the UK, which is why the Hugh Edwards story is interesting.
	By the way, the one thing on the Trump shooting I think that the UK media misses out, it's probably the same in the US, They like to talk a lot about far-right violence and the threat from the far-right.
	The one thing they ignore is the threat from the far-left.
	And I think that this attempted assassination is another example, probably, of a far-left extremist who's going around trying to kill President Trump.
	Now, I know you had, which is weird, BLM-type protests in the UK, despite the fact that not a lot of black people are shot by armed coppers in the UK.
	Is there an Antifa analogue in the UK as well, the really hardcore violent leftists?
	We have Antifa for sure.
	And I think some of the most violent and disgusting scenes we've seen in the UK recently, from the far left, has been these anti-Israel, pro-Gaza protests, the so-called hate marches.
	They were labelled as such by the Home Secretary Soheila Bravman at the time.
	And we've seen some really disgusting stuff at these marches.
	People supporting Hamas, people supporting terrorism, essentially supporting the terrible murder of Jews.
	And that's partly a far-left problem, but it's also the rise of the radical Islamists in the UK, and they've kind of formed this odd alliance.
	That's the same thing we've seen in the US, of course, of these radical Islamists who hate Jews, and these far-left radical extremists who also hate Jews and hate Israel.
	I've already shown it on the show yesterday, but it is of note that the attempted assassin, Ryan Routh, in the Facebook page, they tried to immediately delete.
	I posted it, had a map calling the whole of Israel Palestine, so another Jew hater, another leftist who denies the reality of the Israeli state.
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	Alright, come in with Nigel.
	I now call the leader of reform, UK, Nigel Farage.
	Mr Speaker, thank you very much indeed.
	We are the new kids on the block.
	We have no experience in this Parliament whatsoever, even though some of us have tried many times over the years previously to get here.
	So we can't judge you from working in this place, but we can judge you from the way the outside world sees you.
	That was the first speech in the House of Commons, the Palace of Westminster, of a friend of ours, Nigel Farage.
	Eight times is the charm.
	He finally got into the House of Commons.
	He's been, of course, a member of the European Parliament, the grandfather of Brexit, an amazing politician.
	Not a politician, really a citizen politician, the likes of which we like to see here in America.
	Without Brexit, do we have MAGA?
	I think not.
	It is the recrudescence of a, some would say populist, I think that's pejorative, but a representative politics on both sides of the Atlantic.
	Let us analyse all of that and so much more with the US correspondent for GB News, our in-studio guest, Stephen Edgington.
	Stephen, What does the recent election in the UK mean?
	Because the left won.
	However, it's with, what, 20% of the electorate, which isn't exactly a stirring mandate.
	The Conservatives, as were trounced.
	Nigel and his buddies get some seats.
	Was this a punishing of the Conservatives?
	Was this a victory for Labour?
	How should those on this side of the Atlantic look at this?
	The left won an historic majority, around 170 seats in Parliament.
	That is huge.
	Having said that, what that means in the British political system, it doesn't really mean too much.
	So basically, if you have a majority of one, or a majority of 170, it doesn't make a huge difference.
	You don't have sort of super majorities like you need in the US Senate, for example.
	So, Starmer won.
	He won a massive majority but as you say he won 34% of the vote 20% of those
	who are eligible to vote so this was a very shallow victory what happened in
	the selection was Labour did not increase their share of the vote at all from
	2019 in fact I think Jeremy Corbyn got more votes than Keir Starmer in
	2017 when he was running.
	So they're less popular with more seats? So they're less popular with a lot more seats.
	It's incredible how the British political system worked.
	And the reason that happened was the Conservative Party collapsed in terms of its vote share.
	Their vote share almost halved.
	And a lot of those votes, four million of them, went to Nigel Farage's Reform Party, the anti-immigration, more populist party.
	And the reason for that is the Conservatives betrayed their own voters on every single major issue.
	Whether it was on the economy, they increased taxes, so they said they were going to cut them.
	Whether it was on immigration, they said they were going to cut immigration.
	Instead, they ramped it up to record levels.
	And I think that issue of immigration, it's so important in the UK.
	We also have a huge issue on our own southern border of hundreds of boats crossing the English Channel from France illegally.
	And you've got hundreds of thousands of immigrants.
	These aren't Frenchmen and women coming over in the boats, right?
	These are young men, 90% around, African, Asian, young men, who are claiming to be refugees, but in fact, many of them are illegal migrants.
	In fact, all of them entering the country illegally.
	But they're economic migrants.
	They're not asylum seekers.
	That's the reason they're coming to the country.
	And we've had 130,000 since 2018 all under the Conservative Party.
	And worst of all, they're being put up in hotels on taxpayer-funded money.
	And this is absolutely incredible.
	Billions of pounds every single year we would spend on taxpayer money and putting these people up in luxury hotels, in some cases luxury hotels, whilst our own homeless people, veterans and so on, are out on the street.
	So I think this is why the Conservatives lost so badly this time around.
	So help me to understand this, because I've spoken to my buddies in the UK, the great trigonometry lads, Constance Kissin, Francis Foster, and there's this kind of analog to the pre-MAGA, pre-Trump establishment Republicans here.
	Let's say the Chamber of Commerce rhinos, who just want lots of cheap, you know, labor, illegal immigrants.
	But if your party, your putative conservatives, No, that illegal immigration is of real concern to their voting base.
	And what was it, four?
	Under four prime ministers they had recently?
	Four prime ministers in what, 12 years?
	They refuse to do anything substantive about it.
	I find that from a pure point of political survival to be unintelligible.
	Why would you take this suicidal step to not only promise it and not do it, But not do it in any way, shape or form that's good for you for the elections.
	What is driving these people into the hole that was the last election loss?
	The answer to that is incredibly complex, but I'll try and break it down.
	We've had four successive Conservative Prime Ministers, three of whom have been essentially Tony Blair-style liberals.
	One of which was Liz Truss, who, in my view, shared a lot of their views on immigration.
	She was quite liberal towards immigration.
	They did a kind of one, an ostensible 180.
	Exactly.
	And she tried to cut taxes.
	She was removed within 45 days.
	So it's actually been a problem of leadership.
	It's not just the leadership of the Conservative Party.
	It's also a problem of who was members of Parliament.
	So who was the Conservative MPs at the time?
	Almost all of them were sort of these so-called Cameron A-listers.
	So David Cameron, former British Prime Minister.
	He famously maybe called himself the heir to Blair, you know, very liberal politician, very liberal politician.
	And he was promoting people to be selected as candidates for the Conservative Party to be members of Parliament based on things like DEI, diversity, equity, inclusion.
	He wanted more women.
	He wanted more ethnic minorities.
	He wanted more kind of liberal Blairite style politicians.
	The old Conservative Guard under Margaret Thatcher, they were utterly destroyed, removed ruthlessly from the party.
	And instead what you've got is this Liberal, Labour, Blairite type party.
	Because they thought the only way they could win was to become the Labour Party.
	It was to become like Tony Blair.
	Why?
	Because they wanted to win.
	They wanted power for power's sake.
	And they're ideologically vapid.
	That's the problem with the Conservative Party in Britain at the moment.
	There is no Conservative philosophy.
	There is no grounding ideology.
	These people, what motivates them instead is, in my view, in many cases, personal gain.
	They are careerists.
	They want to be ministers.
	They want to sort of have the suit and the tie and go on the interviews and say that they're in charge of all this money for Ukraine or whatever it is.
	And they don't want to govern in a conservative way.
	That's not why they were motivated to go into politics.
	And I think there's a huge issue With the people who went into Parliament and the leadership as well, as to why we've seen these huge portrayals on every single issue.
	We've got managerial politicians like Rishi Sunak.
	We've got very liberal Prime Ministers like Boris Johnson, who people in the US might think is a Donald Trump-like figure, a populist.
	No, no, no.
	That's completely false.
	That's the image that he liked to portray to the voters in 2019 when he was elected.
	But as soon as he was elected, he became this green net-zero fanatic.
	He opened Britain's borders.
	He introduced new visas.
	Banned fracking.
	Banned fracking.
	This guy is incredibly left-wing on so many different issues.
	But he, again, pretended to the voters that he was actually Conservative.
	And I think there are so many cases of this.
	And this is why the Tory party failed in July.
	Wow, so many similarities to what's happening here in the US.
	Maybe this is a clarion call for us to pay more attention.
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	Alright, I'm not pushing back, but I'm still trying to map what you're talking about in the UK, because I see from the exterior, I see a political elite on both sides, on left and right, that may as well be, you know, the same amoeba, the same blob, what Bannon here calls the Uniparty.
	But if you're in The Conservative Party.
	Surely your competitive edge is to differentiate yourself from the other party and not try to outdo them in leftiness.
	Do they not see it?
	Do they not understand the way markets work?
	And to say, I'm going to be more left-wing and more illegals than the left probably won't bring you success.
	Or do they just not connect with reality?
	It depends on the issues.
	So, for example, the NHS, the National Health Service in the UK, we have socialised healthcare, it's free at the point of use for everyone, but we spend a huge amount of taxpayer money on it.
	It takes up billions, more than £100 billion every year of taxpayers' spending on this.
	So, what do the Conservatives do?
	Do they try and introduce more private industry into the NHS?
	Do they try and make it more efficient?
	Do they understand that the actual system itself doesn't work as it currently functions?
	No.
	What they do instead is they pump more money into the NHS, tens of billions of pounds, and they do that because they think it's a political calculation.
	This is how they see it.
	Every election the Labour Party criticises them as being, they're going to privatise the NHS, they're going to sell off the NHS to Donald Trump.
	That's genuinely a criticism that they had in the UK, very popular in the Guardian.
	Let me give you a little tip.
	I don't think my former boss wants the NHS, thank you very much.
	Exactly.
	So the way they see it is, oh well if Labour criticise us as wanting to privatise the NHS, what we're going to do is we're going to turn that on its head and we're going to be the party of the NHS.
	We're going to be the most left-wing party on this issue, so people will vote for us and they'll think we're not going to privatise the NHS, the Conservatives love the NHS.
	On the other hand, weirdly, the Labour Party are now saying things that you It's unbelievable for Conservative politicians to say about the NHS.
	The Health Secretary said recently that the NHS system may not work as it currently is, and there's even been talk from a Labour Lord saying that we may have to introduce an insurance-based system into the NHS.
	And Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, he said Britain is at risk of becoming an NHS with an economy attached, or an NHS with a country attached.
	It's sucking everything out of the economy at the moment.
	We're spending so much money on that inefficient, government-run institution that there's a huge opportunity cost for that.
	All of that money could be spent on schools, on infrastructure, on defence, or it could be used to cut British people's taxes, which are at a record level.
	And this is another way where the Conservative Party have completely betrayed Conservative values on taxes.
	We have the highest tax levels, tax burden, in almost 80 years.
	That was when, during the Second World War, huge government spending, massive nationalisation, obviously, because you have to do that in a war economy.
	And the tax levels are almost as high as they was then.
	That is absolutely incredible.
	And what you have, on the other hand, is the Conservative politicians, they say, I am Margaret Thatcher, they try and re-emulate Mrs Thatcher.
	And they use the rhetoric of the right, but they govern as socialists.
	And this is what they do.
	On illegal migration, for example, they said they were going to instigate this scheme to deport immigrants to Rwanda.
	Not one immigrant was involuntarily deported to Rwanda in the entire, I think, three years that this scheme has been knocking around.
	The British taxpayer has spent hundreds of millions of pounds to Rwanda, to the Rwandan government, for this illegal migration scheme that never delivered even one illegal migrant.
	And this is the thing, they try and do a bait-and-switch, they try and pretend they're conservative outwardly, they make these speeches.
	I'm like Margaret Thatcher.
	I respect Nigel Farage.
	I believe in deporting people to Rwanda.
	But nothing ever happens.
	They govern as socialists.
	They govern as lefties.
	And then they get punished in the elections.
	Exactly.
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	All right, let's move on from British politics in particular, because you are quite a smart young man, and you have a strategic and historic perspective.
	He always likes to catch his interview subject at the end by asking them historic questions on their favorite prime ministers and presidents.
	It's a sneaky, sneaky approach.
	I like it.
	What do you see as the, if we take a snapshot globally, of, I hate using the term populist because they've turned it into pejorative, I see it as representative government.
	I see MAGA, Nigel, President Trump, Brexit, Maloney, I see this as the writ of the people being reasserted by parties that actually want to serve the interests of their nations.
	Where are we in that movement?
	Because it was the biggest vote in British history, right?
	17.3 million.
	Brits voted to leave the socialist project that is the EU.
	President Trump received the largest amount of votes of any incumbent president in world history, 74 million.
	So there's definitely something there.
	But can the good guys, can the nation-state politicians Win in the face of this elite that is prepared to put my colleagues, Steve Bannon, in prison?
	Put people in the UK in prison for posting jokes on Facebook?
	If you had to give a diagnosis of where the movement is, are we 50% of the way there?
	How far have we got to go?
	What's your measure?
	I think that fundamentally these populist movements unfortunately have failed.
	I think in America Donald Trump was successful in his first term.
	In many ways he wasn't successful and I think, you know, he can be criticised in some ways for appointing the wrong people, for there being chaos, for him not building enough of the border, but that's a whole other story.
	But at least he won and he instigated some changes.
	In the Western world, in Western Europe, I look at the major issue that's facing all of these countries and in my view that's immigration.
	Demographics, immigration, right?
	Exactly.
	That is the thing, in my view, that is the most significant problem these countries are facing.
	The one that's actually the toughest nut to crack, as it were.
	And has these populist backlashes or these populist votes changed any of that in terms of immigration?
	No.
	Look to the major countries, Britain, France, Germany, Sweden.
	They're the only ones where they said, we're not doing it.
	Well, in Eastern Europe and Central Europe, it's a different question.
	So these populist movements have failed.
	We have to ask why.
	And I think one of the answers to that is that change happens, perhaps it's not always bottom-up.
	Sometimes it has to be top-down.
	And you need to change the elites in these countries.
	You need a counter-elite.
	You need a new elite to replace the current elites.
	And that's the problem that Donald Trump had in 2016.
	He didn't have enough people to fill these positions.
	And that's the same issue in Britain, and I suspect in France and other European nations, where you just don't have these populist, nationalist, conservative politicians, media, all of these people that you need to fill these positions, to replace the current elites.
	And that's what needs to change.
	And I think that people in America can be very hopeful because there is a huge conservative
	nationalist industry trying to educate young people, get them into new positions.
	I've seen it here in the States.
	It's incredibly impressive.
	Like the Leadership Institute, Turning Point USA, all that.
	Exactly.
	All of these institutions trying to bring up the next generation, whether it's in the
	media, whether it's in politics, activism, all of the, or business, all of these elite
	institutions.
	And that's what needs to happen across the world.
	If we want to win in the long term, you need people to essentially replace the current
	elites.
	And currently we're just not doing that.
	And whether you have these huge votes for Brexit, for example, none of that matters
	if the elite is against it.
	And that's what happened in Britain in 2016.
	When I saw after the vote, and it's horrified there's somebody born and raised in the UK,
	Not just Members of Parliament, but the Lords, billionaire attorneys, saying we don't care what you voted for, we're just going to stop it from happening!
	As if the Magna Carta never happened!
	They tried to explain the vote away as saying it was Russian disinformation campaigns, people were too stupid to...
	People don't get to decide because they're stupid.
	Exactly.
	Or they're racist or bigoted or whatever.
	So therefore that vote is invalid in my mind and we must have a second referendum.
	That was a huge campaign in the UK to try and overturn the largest democratic vote in British history.
	17.4 million people voted for Brexit and it took years and years and years and by the way It didn't even happen until there was a general election in 2019 and the people had to say again, no, no, no, we do actually support Brexit, we want to get this done.
	They gave Boris Johnson, who ran on that platform, although he failed later, but we can talk about that, but he ran on that platform, he got an 80-seat majority, again, thumping majority, beat Jeremy Corbyn, beat the left, beat the Remainers, and they finally got Britain out of the European Union.
	And again, I'm talking about the elites here.
	Look what happened when they delivered Brexit.
	Did they start to control the borders, which is essentially what Brexit was all about?
	No, they did the exact opposite.
	They went the other way.
	They increased immigration from outside of Europe to record numbers.
	Three quarters of a million people came to Britain in 2023.
	That's net.
	Net came into Britain, 1.2 million gross.
	That is the largest number we've ever seen in our country's history.
	They are flooding the country with low-skilled migrants from Asia and Africa.
	They are completely changing British cities.
	If you look at the demographics, the census, we're getting more, you know, white minority, white British minority cities.
	And I think to many people that is a major concern.
	And we saw over the summer in the UK, unfortunately, this terrible rioting, people sort of reacting to this, you know, migration betrayal.
	And that's the problem the elites are going to have, is that you can only ignore the people for so long and then you start seeing these terrible things bubbling over, these emotions, and they turn into violence.
	And I completely condemn that.
	I think it was completely wrong what people were doing.
	No, but it's a statement of fact.
	You can only ignore frustration for so long.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And that's going to continue to build up.
	Starmer is becoming the most unpopular Prime Minister very, very quickly.
	He has failed within weeks.
	He had this very shallow majority and his approval ratings are plummeting.
	If you saw him literally a couple of days ago, he was at a Doncaster horse race.
	Oh, and they screamed at him.
	And they were booing him, they were chanting at him.
	And then the scandal with his wife's dresses being paid for by a donor.
	Let me just, for a second, And I'm not trying to gainsay you, but this is my greatest concern with regards to the future of American conservatism is we have these institutions and God bless Morton Blackwell, Charlie Kirk and the tens of thousands of young conservatives they've trained and organized.
	But it's not an elite elite.
	And I said this when I was in the White House and I said it openly after I left.
	When we walked in there, there were less than 20 of us in senior positions who understood America first, had any experience and wanted to execute the will of the people.
	You can't create an elite overnight.
	It's not a shake and bake exercise.
	Does that mean we are condemned to political civil warfare for a decade or two until the youngsters or whoever or the hardscrabbles, the next Nigel Farage, until we have enough of them?
	So it's a really interesting question and I think the way to answer it is we can look back To history.
	Look in the 1960s, the most radical left-wing decade Britain, America, particularly America, faced.
	Lyndon Johnson, terrible president in many ways.
	He instigated some really, really far-left radical reforms on immigration, on the economy, expanding the welfare state.
	The Civil Rights Act, in some ways, fantastic.
	I know that conservatives are sort of questioning aspects of it constitutionally.
	But look at that decade, the 1960s.
	It was seen as a huge failure for conservatives.
	People saying the death of conservatism, this is the union party.
	Is that the same thing that Steve Bannon is saying today?
	Right.
	20 years later, you had the election of Ronald Reagan.
	Okay, he wasn't perfect.
	His immigration reforms were unsuccessful in some ways.
	Economically, I think he was very successful.
	In Britain, we had Margaret Thatcher in the 1980s, who I think was probably more successful than Reagan in some ways.
	She completely turned the British economy around.
	Culturally, Conservatives were in the ascendant.
	And in the 1990s, you had the Labour politicians suddenly adopting the Conservative policies and rhetoric.
	People like Bill Clinton.
	So that took 20 years.
	We've got to look at this in the long game.
	No, that's fair, that's fair.
	All right, it's made me feel a little bit better.
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	All right, I can't believe we had so many other things to discuss, but I got you in here originally to talk about your troubled history with the deep state and an individual I had a bit of a How should I describe this?
	Kim Darroch, the UK ambassador to Washington.
	We don't like each other very much.
	When I was in the Trump administration, he wasn't a good man.
	He was, well, let's say, playing fast and loose with classified information, confidential information.
	How do you fit into the story of the Trump administration and UK relations, Stephen?
	Well, originally I was reporting as a journalist, freelance journalist, in 2019 when Kim Darroch, the former British ambassador in Washington, at the time was writing these memos back to London which were incredibly critical and nasty towards Donald Trump.
	Basically anti-Trump.
	Exactly.
	Calling him incompetent, inept, the Terminator, bizarre memos, just utterly weird.
	And he is one of those what I would describe as a deep state official.
	You know, he comes from that very liberal, anti-Trump, anti-Brexit, you know, liberal perspective on politics.
	So I got a hand of these memos from Kim Darroch and we published them in a British newspaper.
	That led to his resignation.
	Five days later, Donald Trump tweeted saying, I'm never going to deal with this man again.
	I don't want to have a meeting with him again.
	And eventually he was forced to resign.
	They then put him in the House of Lords.
	Theresa May rewarded him for his failure, as it were.
	She put him into the House of Lords, and he is now running an anti-Brexit group in the United Kingdom.
	He is the chairman of Best for Britain, which used to be the Remain campaign.
	They've now changed it into Best for Britain.
	So this guy is an incredibly left-wing diplomat.
	What happened to me as a result of that is quite interesting.
	Viewers might be interested in this.
	The counter-terrorism police launched an investigation into the leaks of Kim Darroch's memos, into me.
	What is the terrorist overlay here?
	They claim that I was breaking the Official Secrets Act and therefore I was somehow akin to being a terrorist or a traitor.
	Have you ever signed the Official Secrets Act?
	No, I haven't.
	Essentially, if a secret document gets leaked like this and they claim that it harms Britain's international reputation, then you may be breaking the Official Secrets Act.
	This isn't applied equally across the board.
	There have been lots of leaks to The Guardian of serious things, akin to the thing that
	I was involved with, and there's no police investigation.
	This was political.
	Kim Darroch was one of their guys, and they decided, we cannot have people leaking against
	our own team, so we have to launch a major investigation.
	Just Operation Aspirite.
	They spent two years investigating me as a journalist, tapping my phone, reviewing CCTV
	footage of me going inside and out of private members' clubs in London, trying to reveal
	my sources of information as a journalist.
	I think this is an incredible attack on freedom of speech.
	But didn't something happen to a friend of yours or a colleague or another journalist?
	What happened?
	So what happened was they arrested someone.
	They claimed this was a British official in the UK government.
	They arrested someone called Andrew Hellburn.
	They claimed that he was the person who leaked the Kim Darroch memos and they ruined his life.
	They investigated him for two years, never charged him.
	They kept interrogating him.
	They made him homeless.
	You can read about his story in the Telegraph.
	I've written about this completely terrible thing.
	And by the way, what they did was all political.
	So instead of knocking on the door or coming to his work to speak with him, for example, they sent 14 armed officers on a dawn raid to his flat in London, smashed down his door and arrested him.
	He was just recovering from cancer at the time.
	They knew about this.
	Exactly.
	It was all a sort of show.
	It was a show of force.
	Intimidation.
	Exactly.
	Intimidation.
	We've seen the police reports.
	They said this guy is safe, there's no flight risk, there's no issues.
	They ticked every single box saying this person is safe on the arrest report.
	And they still send in 14 armed counter-terrorism police officers.
	This was about sending a message.
	And just to finish the story about Kim Darroch, because this is really important, I did a follow-up story about Kim Darroch, who by the way hated the fact someone leaked his memos and said that I want to see the leaker in prison, I want to sit behind a screen in prison and look at the person who leaked the memos and speak to them.
	He wrote that in his memoirs, which are quite boring by the way, that's a side note.
	But anyway, so he hates leakers.
	What was he doing when he was in the White House?
	He was in Washington.
	He was leaking US confidential secrets to a CNN journalist who he was having an affair with.
	With his journalist piece of fluff on the side.
	It's incredible, it's incredible.
	Not since the days of Kim Philby has a British official in the embassy in Washington been investigated in the same way that Kim Darroch was investigated by the Department of Justice in America for leaking.
	We got this on the front page of the Sun newspaper who I used to work for at the time in 2020.
	The headline was Trumpy Pumpy, a big picture of the person he was having an affair with, the CNN journalist.
	And again... That's the Sun.
	He got away with it completely.
	And this is the two-tier justice system again.
	They investigate me as a journalist.
	They tap my phone.
	They go after Andrew, who, by the way, again, never charged him.
	He's a completely free man.
	He's now suing the police.
	And they protect the leak of Derek.
	And they protect the guy who's leaking himself.
	Incredible story.
	Are you going to write a book on it?
	Where's the best place to find the information now?
	Is it the Sun?
	I've written a lot about it in the Telegraph.
	I'm thinking of writing a book about it.
	We may even sue the police over this.
	You must.
	The deep state.
	It's not just a problem we face here in America.
	It is transnational.
	And as you know from whether it's Navarro, Bannon, it's not a deep state anymore.
	It's an in-your-face state.
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	All right, last question I always ask my guests from Blighty is, I grew up in the UK.
	The bulldog spirit, Churchill, the Tommy, has it been suppressed for good?
	Is the uniparty elite there just basically able to ride roughshod over the will of the people?
	Was Brexit an anomaly or is that spirit still alive somewhere?
	I think there are millions of people, as we saw in the general election, who are dismayed with the political elite, who feel utterly betrayed.
	There is a level of anger and emotion in a negative way towards the political class that I think is almost unprecedented, at least in recent times.
	And that's not going away.
	There are millions and millions of voters who are utterly fed up with the political class, both parties, Labour and the Conservatives.
	And I think that with Nigel Farage's Reform Party, perhaps for Conservatives there is some hope.
	Could he take over and fix the Conservative Party?
	Or does it have to be Reform become the new right-wing party?
	The latter.
	I think it's almost impossible for him to take over the Conservative Party as it stands today.
	But he's certainly trying his best to use reform to try and replace the Conservatives, as happened in Canada in the 90s.
	And that's why they actually named it the Reform Party, because they wanted to kind of replicate that mission.
	So I think there is some hope for British Conservatives.
	It's not all doom and gloom, but it's not looking great.
	Yeah, work to do, work to do.
	We need, as Stephen says, a new elite.
	An elite which really, in spirit, isn't an elite, but wishes to actually represent the will of the people.
	More citizen politicians.
	Like Nigel, like my former boss, President Trump, who never were politicians and actually are in touch with what the people want, what they desire.
	That's what we need everywhere where Judeo-Christian civilization wishes to have its people represented in nation-states.
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