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Sebastian Gorka FULL SHOW: Mark Zuckerberg confesses to shilling for Biden

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	So, I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	I'm going to go ahead and get started.
	you you
	I'm going to get started.
	you Biden administration.
	Bye.
	What you heard was what occurred at Arlington National Cemetery with the 45th President, Commander-in-Chief, my former boss, President Trump, who went to that hallowed ground to pay his respects, not only to the 13 who died with their family members, but Well, that wasn't reported either by the mainstream media, but this never will be.
	The footage of some of the dozens who were injured forever, mutilated, lost limbs, servicemen and women, who were also with President Trump, whose existence is denied, not just by the mainstream media, who have no responsibility when it comes to our servicemen and women, but also by the current administration.
	Belief is beggared by the fact that a former admiral, who is now a White House official,
	when asked about his superior saying, no Americans in uniform died under my watch, this is what
	John Kirby has to say.
	Even when you say that deaths didn't happen under his watch, it's such a major faux pas and
	an incorrect statement.
	To feel compelled to say, yes, you wound up in a war, and there's criticism of how that went down, I understand, but never to clarify that.
	I was wrong.
	I'm sorry.
	Again, I'm not going to talk about my private conversations with the President.
	I would never do that under any circumstance.
	I would just tell you he was making a larger point about ending our longest war and not getting us into new ground wars like in Ukraine or like in Gaza.
	A man with no honor.
	No monologue today.
	We have far too much, far too many important things to discuss and no better guest to have with us than a member of the Trump cabinet, the senior expert on all matters of national security and foreign policy for Newsmax, our good friend here on America First, former Secretary of Veterans Affairs, the Honorable Robert Wilkie.
	Secretary Wilkie, I have to ask, this isn't a party political thing, but to have somebody who was an Admiral say that the President's statement that no soldiers died under my watch is a broader thing about no new wars.
	We had no new wars for four years under President Trump.
	What have we arrived at, Mr. Secretary?
	Well, this is the same admiral who said yesterday in another interview that the withdrawal from Afghanistan wasn't chaotic.
	As people were falling out of the wheel wells of C-17s, as those planes took off.
	This is another example of the cosmic incompetence and I've often said faculty lounge lunacy that passes for national security policy on the part of this administration.
	Now I was looking back on the statements of European leaders after the withdrawal from Afghanistan and I found that the Swedish Prime Minister at the time, Carl Bildt, He predicted what would happen as a result of that.
	He said, this will create a cascade of effects around the globe.
	And a couple of weeks after that, he said, watch out for the Russians, because they're the ones who took the message to heart that this administration was asleep at the wheel.
	They were careless with the lives of America's young people.
	And this is a man who is expert in destabilization of fragile societies under the Clinton administration because of Bill's work in the Balkans.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So, you saw that throughout Europe, that the danger was coming.
	And what they have exposed us to, and I'm not one to to toss around phrases like World War III is coming.
	But they have put us in a position the likes of which we have not been in
	since the opening days of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
	And as I said this morning on Newsmax, they're salivating at the prospect of a Kamala Harris.
	The bad guys.
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	And in my discussions, I won't name the foreign ministers or defense ministers I've been privileged to speak with.
	They're absolutely terrified of this prospect.
	But you're a man in motion, and we're not going to disclose where you are going to or where you have been, but you're talking to our allies and our partners.
	Can we flip the coin and talk about what their expectation would be of a Trump second term?
	Well, let's talk about our friends in Eastern Europe.
	Yeah.
	Our friends in Eastern Europe saw, after the indifference of the Obama-Biden years, the President of the United States looking at the map of Europe and saying, why do we have more generals in Europe than we have rifle company commanders?
	That doesn't make sense, even to a non-military.
	American generals.
	That's right.
	And all of a sudden, combat brigades began flowing into the Baltics, into Poland.
	The Polish even established Camp Trump as a military base for elements of the 82nd and 100th anniversary.
	So it's not just a village in Israel.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	And Putin was in his box because Trump meant what he said.
	Let's take a look then at the language of Trump as opposed to the language of Kirby and Biden.
	And let's look at Israel.
	Trump wanted to first deter and then destroy the Ayatollahs.
	He was well on the way to doing that.
	Look at the rhetoric of this administration.
	The toughest thing they can say is we want to defend Israel.
	Well, defending Israel is a very different thing, and they don't do that well, from deterring and defeating Iran.
	But not only that, you had in Chicago last week, you had the current incumbent, Biden, say, with regards to the pro-Hamas protesters outside, they have a point.
	Right.
	They have a point.
	The Vice President, now the unelected candidate of the Democratic Party, who says that the choice in Gaza is not binary, it's one-sided, because of the civilian toll.
	Well, there is a binary choice.
	It's between barbarism and civilization.
	And this Vice President is incapable of understanding that, if she ever, ever did.
	And that is a warning sign, not only for America, but for the entire world that these people
	cannot look at evil and even describe it.
	His latest piece reported by Newsmax is up.
	I'm going to be putting it on all my social media right now.
	Robert Wilkie to Newsmax, Biden's Israel talks election year gambit.
	We will unpack that and so much more.
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	The performance of Harris at Munich Security Conference last year, if it were not so dangerous,
	it was laughable.
	Oh All she could talk about was two-state solution in Europe when they were talking about Ukraine.
	She was talking about that?
	She was talking about that, which I wrote in the Washington Times piece.
	And that came from the polls, that came from the Norwegians.
	She's out there talking about a two-state solution.
	It's so weird.
	I wonder if she ever had any substance.
	I mean, I don't know how you're the Attorney General of one of the largest states, or whether it's always been smoke and mirrors.
	It's a one-party state.
	Correct.
	But you have to be a prosecutor.
	You've got to stand in court.
	What?
	In San Francisco.
	It's been like this for 30 years with her?
	I think so.
	I think she was pushed along by the powers that be.
	The perfect identity figurehead.
	Right.
	Come in with cut four, then I'm going to tee up cut five for the secretary.
	In a state where there's no serious competition.
	Right.
	But you never had to stand toe-to-toe against an opponent.
	Can you play Cut 3 for me?
	Yes, sir.
	One second.
	There is no scenario where the President of the United States can't head up a press conference.
	Under any scenario, every president Every president has been able to address the press and in the good times and the bad times.
	She has to start talking to the press.
	Period.
	There's no optionality.
	There's no scenario where anybody would be comfortable, particularly in the swing states, with swing voters.
	I was thinking to myself, what have we got here?
	Why won't she talk to the press?
	I'm asking it from a policy guy.
	I need explanations for these policies.
	I have to invest in these policies.
	I have questions and I don't get any answers.
	I'm not being unreasonable.
	Come out, come out wherever you are and talk to the press.
	Not bad for a Canadian.
	Cut 11.
	The Harris campaign is trying to change the rules, right?
	I mean, two, three weeks ago, they were saying, no, we're going to stick with the rules that were agreed for the Biden debate, whether it's going to be September 10, it's going to be ABC, the same rules.
	And now they're saying, well, but we want to change this rule.
	They're doing that because they can't.
	Because at this point, it looks to me as if Donald Trump believes he needs this debate more than Kamala Harris does.
	All right, coming in with four.
	Yep.
	And I'll tee up five.
	All righty.
	Thirty seconds.
	Hang on, no, no, no, no, no.
	Other way around.
	Come in with five and I'm teeing up four.
	Okay.
	You you
	But I'm proud to be the first president in decades who started no new wars.
	And the reason I started no new wars is they respected the people in this room.
	It's true.
	No new wars.
	How did he do that?
	Because the bad guys were afraid of him.
	And our friends and allies were reassured.
	A little bit like a great British leader of the 1940s.
	A man who liked his cigars.
	I got some bad news about the very big George Washington Liberty Dr. G cigars.
	You've bought too many of them.
	They're sold out.
	So what have we done?
	We now have the Teddy Roosevelt cigars that are under the Dr. G moniker at sebgorkastore.com.
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	Maybe we can get the Teddy Roosevelt wants to sell out as well.
	Yesterday, that was the President addressing the National Guard Association of America, and he went on, after he was endorsed by another Democrat, not just a scion of the most famous Democrat family in America, Bobby Kennedy, but a member of the Armed Forces, at least in the reserves, as was Major Tulsi Gabbard, he went on to say this, which is perhaps the most important issue, Starting on day one, I will confront the recruiting, retention and morale.
	When you talk about the crisis that you have, you have a morale crisis because I think it's a country crisis.
	I think morale is about the leader of the country.
	I really do.
	You know, you can only do so much.
	They have to be proud of their leader.
	They have to be proud of their country.
	They have to believe in their country.
	They have to believe in the American Dream.
	Or you're going to have a morale problem.
	And that's what you have.
	You have a morale problem.
	We will get critical race theory and left-wing gender insanity out of the armed forces and totally out of the United States military.
	Cheers from the audience, Mr. Secretary, cheers.
	So it's very cool to be in the cabinet, don't get me wrong, and especially when you're looking after our veterans.
	And what you did at VA was incredible, how you turned it around.
	But prior to that, in the Pentagon, you had one of the most important unsung responsibilities, which is making sure all of our armed services, before they become veterans, are combat effective and ready to fight.
	Give us a snapshot as to The situation today and what the president promised.
	So let's look at where we are today.
	Lowest recruiting numbers in the now 51 years since the all-volunteer force was created.
	We have a military that is now divided, not according to combat capability, but according to race, gender, and sexual identity.
	Even things as simple as whether you're a male or a female on a basic military form have now changed.
	What pronoun do you use?
	I think I sent you one of them from some document at Fort Bragg that someone sent me that male, female, other, what have you.
	It was a laundry list on a basic finance form.
	Training standards obliterated in the name of diversity, equity, inclusion.
	And this is not some right-wing fanatic talking.
	This is the Secretary of the Army who, when confronted by Senator Cotton as to how can someone pass an Army physical fitness test and only do 10 push-ups and do 2 miles in 25 minutes, she said harder standards would disadvantage underrepresented groups.
	You know, in my time, an underrepresented group needed to be dead on the battlefield.
	Right.
	That's the only underrepresented group I worry about.
	And the way you alleviate that condition is to give everyone the tools he needs to fight, training, physical fitness.
	That is now gone by the wayside.
	And I'll give you another example.
	As you know, I grew up at Fort Bragg.
	Spent most of my youth there.
	My father was in and out of the 82nd Airborne and 18th Airborne Corps in most of his career.
	Fort Bragg sits 90 minutes away from 40% of the United States Marine Corps.
	Most important road in the country is Highway 24 in North Carolina.
	For the first time, After I helped swear in 172 young high school students a few months ago, parents, some of whom I knew in high school, were telling me they had second thoughts.
	And they had second thoughts because of what this administration has done to the military.
	So within three years, they managed to break Legacy Families' commitment.
	And don't take my word for it.
	Listen to the words of the Secretary of the Army, who said twice, once on ABC and I think the other on CNN, I don't want Legacy recruits.
	Now, 79% of the Army comes from Army families, but I don't want Legacy recruits because that's at war with diversity.
	So I'm going to ask you an impolitic question.
	I just sent this graphic to my team as soon as it's up.
	We'll put it on the screen.
	This was from Fox News about 30 minutes ago.
	This is quite impressive.
	A graphic of all the US assets.
	In the Middle East right now, in the Mediterranean, USS Bull Kelly, Arleigh Burke, Roosevelt, Georgia, the strike group Teddy Roosevelt, USS O'Kane, the Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group.
	You may not wish to answer this, and we don't rehearse any questions here, not even with President Trump.
	That's an impressive amount of hardware.
	Yes, it is.
	Are the people on those vessels, do they have the morale And the capabilities to execute the mission if this person gets us into World War III.
	Where are we at?
	How bad is it, Mr. Secretary?
	It's very bad.
	Our ships are undermanned.
	This administration is decommissioning vessels at the rate of... 17 vessels.
	Well, 24 a year.
	Right.
	But the latest is an additional 17.
	And that's on top of the 24 average.
	Right.
	Undermanned, undertrained.
	By the way, you pointed out the USS Buckley.
	Yeah.
	For those of you who love history, Lieutenant Buckley was the fellow who got MacArthur out of the Philippines on that PT boat, and he ended up his career as an admiral, but one of the great PT boat warriors of World War II.
	But in many respects, that show of force is is late, because it has not been backed up by the requisite use of force against the Houthis, against the Iranians, against the Iranian proxies.
	And if I may, the requisite rhetoric whereby the line is drawn and kept to, which is what we did on the Trump administration.
	Absolutely.
	The threat was described Putin got too close and 300 of his people disappeared.
	The Iranians got too close and Soleimani disappeared.
	In Syria, Assad was going to use chemical weapons and we flattened his airbase, turned it into a sheet of glass.
	You've told this story many times.
	I told it again at a function a week or so ago.
	As the president was finishing his dinner with Xi Jinping, he looked over the table and said, Mr. President, I just sent 49 Tomahawk missiles into the Syrian desert.
	I hope you have a good evening.
	As you're enjoying the best chocolate cake in the world.
	That's right.
	We talked to Secretary Robert Wilkie, Distinguished Fellow at the America First Policy Institute.
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	And he comes in and he says, Prime Minister, Japanese just attacked Pearl Harbor.
	And he says, Prime Minister, Japanese just attacked Pearl Harbor.
	And he comes in and he says, Prime Minister, Japanese just attacked Pearl Harbor.
	And Churchill looks at him and he said, well, we've won after all.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Just like Saddam listening to our ambassador.
	Kuwait is an internal issue.
	Dickey Mountbat.
	Coming with 16.
	Alright.
	I'll do Pillow and then I'll tee up 12.
	16, Pillow, 12.
	Just need a title by the way for Joel.
	for Joel. For Joel, the Kamala debate doesn't matter.
	Mm-hmm.
	I'm out.
	Mic's off.
	Mic's off.
	Welcome to the Welcome to the
	you you
	run real people.
	Mhm.
	They have selected amongst a very small group of individuals that they can control and dictate policy over.
	Yes.
	I don't think Kamala Harris is somebody who will sit here and tell you how she feels.
	I think that human capacity of hers has long gone.
	Right.
	Well, she's going to do price controls at supermarkets, so we don't have to worry about that.
	But that is exactly how you get to a famine.
	I mean, this is... I know!
	This is the basics.
	These are the... This is Communism 101.
	Wow.
	Good.
	All right.
	Coming in at 16.
	Play at 13.
	13.
	I have different names.
	You know, it's very interesting.
	Very, very interesting.
	But there are so many names you can call her.
	But the most important name is she's a Marxist.
	That's her ideology.
	She wants to destroy our country.
	What podcast was that?
	Do we know?
	Uh, 13.
	Is that Dr. Phil?
	Oh, Dr. Phil?
	Is that Dr. Phil?
	That was Dr. Phil.
	No idea.
	Sean Ryan.
	Oh, Sean Ryan.
	Sean Ryan?
	It's not crazy.
	It's interesting.
	It's all right.
	Yeah.
	It's all right.
	We'll get the resignations of every single senior official who touched the Afghanistan
	calamity to be on my desk at noon on Inauguration Day.
	You know, you have to fire people.
	You have to fire people when they do a bad job.
	We never fire anybody.
	You gotta fire them like on The Apprentice.
	You're fired.
	You did a lousy job.
	President Trump, yesterday the political generals have to be gotten rid of.
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	We're back with Secretary Robert Wilkie of Veterans Affairs, Senior National Security Analyst for Newsmax.com,
	and so much more besides.
	I'm sure you read the absolutely scurrilous article by H.R.
	McMaster in the Wall Street Journal last week.
	I've written my own response.
	Hopefully it will be published.
	He's trying to sell a book by rewriting history inside the Trump administration.
	And here's what he had to say about whether or not he supports President Trump today.
	H.R.
	McMaster, cut 12.
	How I think President Trump put into place for the first time a really reasoned and sustainable approach to Afghanistan.
	But then abandoned that, right?
	And entered into negotiations with the Taliban without the Afghan government present.
	He recreated, I think, a lot of the same problems of the Obama administration in the approach to Afghanistan.
	So, hey, I think, Jonathan, that's for you and Richard, every individual voter to say, okay, Based on what you learn in this book, you know, you make your own decision.
	I'm not here to, as a washed up general, you know, to tell people how to vote.
	Well, let me ask you about one individual voter.
	You.
	You have said you wouldn't serve in a Trump term.
	Are you going to vote for him?
	Well, you know, I'm not going to answer that question, John.
	I'm not going to answer that question.
	I'm glad he called himself a washed-up general.
	Mr. Secretary, can I read one sentence from H.R.
	McMaster's article?
	It's amazing when they don't realize what they're putting on paper.
	He was in a disagreement with the President, didn't execute the orders given to him, came back and told the President that he hadn't executed the orders, And the President said to H.R.
	McMaster, as a uniformed National Security Advisor, he had to have an exemption from the Senate to serve as a General in that position.
	The President said, you should have done what I told you to do, General.
	H.R.
	McMaster's response, Mr. President, you can be angry at me, but you have to know I was acting in your interest.
	Doesn't the President get to decide what his interest is, Mr. Secretary?
	Absolutely, and that points to a bigger problem.
	For those of you who want to know what Deep State is, you have to start as to why we actually have a civil service.
	Because the President of the United States was shot and died, James Garfield.
	And the ultimate machine politician, Chester Arthur, straight from Tammany Hall, said enough.
	And for most of our post-Garfield history, we've had a professional civil service.
	However, we now have a political civil service and people like General McMaster who take upon themselves the mantle of the certificate of election.
	The certificate of election owned by Donald Trump, not by McMaster, not by civil servants.
	I saw this particularly at the State Department, where people would come out of the woodwork
	to criticize President Trump.
	They should have been fired.
	I know had they been at VA, they would have been fired, amongst the 8,000 that we let go.
	And it's particularly pernicious in the national security realm, because it weakens the authority of the president.
	Not so much in the eyes of the bureaucracy, but weakens it in the eyes of potential enemies.
	And what McMaster is doing is right out of the disgruntled, everybody, I'm a genius and everybody else in Washington is an idiot playbook that is what you see with failed political slash military leaders.
	That's the playbook.
	I'm smarter than everyone else.
	You're a very busy man right now.
	We had three segments booked with you, but this is such a crucial topic.
	Can we hold you on for one more?
	Yeah.
	You can?
	Yeah.
	All right.
	So, this idea of a political civil service is crucial and part and parcel Over the stakes on November 5th, so I want to dig down on this just a little bit more because it is so vital to the salvation of the Republic.
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	Where are you going?
	Just up and down the Potomac.
	Oh.
	Uh...
	Yes.
	Thanks for watching!
	All right, Jeff.
	Oh, Jeff, I just sent you a text for the secretary.
	Who's the host?
	Back home.
	Lighthizer and I are hosting for AFPI.
	It's a fundraiser.
	Would you give him my best?
	I will.
	He's a nice guy.
	He is a nice man.
	A smart man.
	He'd be a great Secretary of State.
	Would he come back?
	I think he would.
	I mean, he's... yeah.
	Oh.
	Would you give him a copy of Katie's book?
	Yeah, I'm happy to.
	You have one, right?
	I have one.
	Autographed.
	Because I haven't seen him since he came on like a year ago for his book.
	Mmm.
	Mmm.
	All right, what have I not heard?
	Mmm.
	Mmm.
	Oh, come in with 13, then I'll do PhD.
	Play me 15.
	He is perplexed now.
	I think he's found himself in a situation that he's not used to finding himself in, and that is answering to a very smart woman.
	And in this particular case, he is answering to a black woman.
	I think that he's on his heels now.
	He doesn't know how to respond to her.
	He was hoping that he would be going up against President Joe Biden, and now he's going up against this black woman, and she's found all this popularity, and she's closing the polls, tightening the polls, and he doesn't know what to do.
	He's losing his mind.
	That's right.
	You Thank you.
	I have different names.
	you know, is very interesting.
	Very, very interesting, but...
	There are so many names you can call her, but the most important name is, she's a Marxist.
	That's her ideology.
	She wants to destroy our country.
	The master of branding, just saying it like it is.
	Her father was a Marxist, she's a Marxist, and maybe we just have to call her Comrade Kamala, the president being interviewed.
	We need to get him back on the show.
	It's been a few weeks, although I did talk to him on Newsmax and that was a lot of fun,
	as it is always to have my Newsmax colleague and former Trump administration colleague
	back in studio, Secretary Robert Wilkie, who very graciously has agreed to stay for one
	more segment based upon something he said.
	I know he has to rush to meet another member of the Trump administration.
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	So actually Wilkie, you said something so...
	Massively of import.
	But I just want us to drill down on it for one more segment.
	You talked about a political civil service in America, which is a more technically correct way, less catchy way of talking about the deep state, which is a phrase I refuse to use for about the first three weeks of the administration.
	And I saw it.
	I was in the sit room.
	I was on secure VTCs, video teleconferences with Well, you saw it every day.
	the CIA, the DIA, the State Department, outstations in Kabul, you name it.
	And I never heard the president's name.
	And I realize that these are people who think the elections are irrelevant.
	I'm a bureaucrat.
	I decide.
	Can you just verify or give your take?
	You saw it every day.
	You saw the president's daily intelligence brief.
	The daily intelligence brief reflected the political whims of the professional intelligence
	community.
	It did not reflect the needs and purposes of the President of the United States.
	And I think if President Trump returns to office, that has to be one of the first things that changes.
	In a sense of Team B, like Reagan?
	Or a full overhaul?
	A full overhaul.
	I think so.
	Let me tell you how the Democrats operate.
	I don't know what the current vernacular is, but in previous years it was called ramspecking.
	And what they do is they will take political appointees and in the last few weeks of an
	administration convert them to the civil service.
	Oh, throwing in.
	Right.
	Convert them to the civil service.
	So they plant hundreds, thousands of landmines throughout the government prior to the accession
	of a Republican administration.
	And this is not something that is particular to President Trump.
	It even happened to George W. Bush.
	It happened to Ronald Reagan.
	But it has never been the extreme that it was under Donald Trump, particularly with
	the State Department and elements of the uniformed services, the Pentagon bureaucracy as well,
	where they worked against the president's initiatives and were very vocal about it.
	You saw.
	So-called leaks by the thousands coming from the inner workings of the bureaucracy.
	And it's not just us.
	If you had our friend Boris Johnson here, he would tell you that this is no longer Yes Minister.
	This is something beyond.
	This isn't funny anymore.
	It's not funny.
	Where number 10 has become essentially a bit player.
	Because the initiatives of a dynamic leader like Boris were being stopped at every level of the civil service.
	So how difficult is this?
	How heavy a lift is this?
	If, God willing, we do our part and he wins, I mean, this would require the first six months of an administration to be a whirlwind.
	I'll tell you how it would start at the State Department.
	And I'll use Joe Biden as an example.
	All of the Hamas supporters in the State Department who signed letters, memos to the Secretary of State opposing Biden's dissent cables, they're gone.
	You want to send a message to the bureaucracy, get rid of all of them.
	And what happens?
	How does the left and the deep state react?
	Holy hellfire will rain down.
	I can tell you how it reacted at VA.
	The institution got better.
	It's obviously different in that you're not talking about national policy.
	But you had a very special power there related to national security.
	Can this be done across?
	It can be done.
	They've crossed the line by opposing the policies of the administration and opposing them openly.
	Now, this administration, Biden, tried to write it off as just normal dissent.
	That is not normal dissent.
	Normal dissent is you and I talking within the confines.
	Can't close doors.
	Right.
	A decision is made and you salute and say yes.
	That's how it is supposed to operate.
	That's not how it is operating.
	And I think some of my colleagues like Wheeler and Bernhardt, EPA and Interior,
	could tell you horror stories about what was happening and Zinke as well, within those bureaucracies
	by the environmental fanatics who had burrowed their way into the bureaucracy.
	But it is incredibly dangerous when it is happening at the level of the White House.
	How quickly does that impact have to be made?
	Give us a month.
	Day one.
	He said it.
	Now I don't know how many generals are still left.
	Who were in on the Afghan withdrawal.
	I have a confession to make.
	I do know that General Milley and General McKenzie did advise against it.
	They did say you can't do this.
	And Biden, being the smartest man in the room, as he always has been, told them to pound sand.
	And Kamala is proud that she was the last person in.
	And I talked about that this morning.
	She's proud. She thinks that Joe Biden did a great job.
	But you have to start relieving people.
	I have an idea as to what he can do on day one to send a shutter
	through the institution just on the subject that he's raised.
	He raised with the National Guard Bureau yesterday on D and I. And I think he he will do that and he'll do it government wide.
	But the one place he really has to focus on is the Pentagon because.
	Pentagon and the IC, the intelligence community.
	That's right.
	All right, we have kept him far too long.
	He's got duties elsewhere.
	Secretary Robert Wilkie can catch him on Newsmax with regularity and at the American Foreign Policy Institute.
	I'm Sebastian Gorka, America First Policy Institute.
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	you America First.
	Magnificent.
	My team got so worried when I've only got three seconds left to sit down in front of the camera in front of the microphone.
	It's all right.
	I'm just talking to Secretary Wilkie.
	Let's go to your calls.
	Let's go to Don in Los Angeles.
	Dr. G, Rolling Thunder on the right.
	How are you today, sir?
	Good.
	How's it going, my friend?
	What's your question?
	What's your comment?
	Oh, quickly, quickly.
	I mean, so many great things you've been talking about.
	One thing, oddly, nobody's really talking about that much.
	There's just been another big fuss in Pakistan with these Baluchi separatists.
	And you remember, wasn't it, didn't Iran and Pakistan fire missiles at each other not too long, or airstrikes or something?
	So I'm wondering, I'm wondering, what's a good source you would recommend to find out who are the players?
	Because apparently there's A lot of these Baluchi groups, I'm assuming the Iranians are backing some, but I wonder, a lot of it in this area where the fighting is, a lot of it involves Chinese interests.
	Yeah, so there's one account I follow regarding Baluchistan.
	If you follow me on Twitter, you'll see, I can't remember the name right now, but when it comes to people I trust here, Then the real experts are the like of Ilan Berman from the American Foreign Policy Institute.
	We need to get him back on the show.
	Michael Duran.
	So Michael Duran, Ilan Berman, you know, go with people who have proven themselves over the years, over the decades.
	Okay, yeah.
	know of what they speak but of course you won't hear any of that in the
	mainstream media. All right our buddy John from San Diego has been texting me
	you want to explain to us about President Trump's trade war policies?
	Okay yeah on Sunday some White House spokesholds mouthing off saying that
	Trump is trying to raise taxes on the middle class with tariff.
	Well first off the tariff is a tax on the foreign country. What the
	purpose of a tariff is for you never to pay it because you're not
	supposed to buy the import. You're supposed to if you're trying to convince you
	to buy American yeah
	And that reduces the trade deficit.
	Every dollar of trade deficit that you reduce, you reduce the budget deficit by a dollar.
	And, firstly, tariff's not a bad thing.
	The Constitution, up until 1913, when the 16th Amendment, there was no such thing as any tax allowed in this country other than imposts and exposts, which are tariffs.
	Bingo!
	You nailed it.
	And that's why President Trump's policies worked so effectively.
	That's why he put in tariffs against nations like China.
	and by the end of the second term, second year of the first term, our economy was the
	largest we had ever seen in world history.
	That's because those policies work and protecting US manufacturing is a key part of that.
	Thank you, John.
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	you.
	you you
	you There you go, sir.
	How's your day going?
	That's your daughter?
	Sure is.
	Abigail, right?
	How do you know her?
	Were you about eight weeks pregnant?
	So you've been spotting recently.
	You've had any cramps or nausea?
	That's personal.
	You been taking your prenatal vitamins?
	Excuse me?
	Are you ticketing me for something?
	Where you heading, Abigail?
	To go see my older sister, Natalie.
	Well, that's strange.
	It says here that Natalie's at a concert in Dallas.
	And your navigation is set to a women's health clinic in one of those abortion states.
	We have the right to travel.
	Not anymore.
	Step out of the car.
	Please, officer.
	Both of you, out now.
	You, sir, are under arrest for crossing state lines to obtain an abortion for a minor under your care.
	care.
	And you, young lady, well, you're under arrest for evading motherhood.
	You're under arrest for evading motherhood.
	I think Kamala Harris is dangerous to me because she is the ultimate puppet for an organization that has, I believe, since President Obama, not actually run real people.
	Mm-hmm.
	They have selected amongst a very small group of individuals that they can control and dictate policy over.
	Yes.
	I don't think Kamala Harris is somebody who will sit here and tell you how she feels.
	I think that human capacity of hers has long gone.
	Right.
	Well, she's going to do price controls at supermarkets, so we don't have to worry about that.
	But that is exactly how you get to a famine.
	I mean, this is... I know.
	This is the basics.
	These are the... This is Communism 101.
	This is Communism 101?
	Price controls at supermarkets?
	Eric, who is that woman?
	I don't think a lot of Americans know who she is, but she held until recently a very important position, didn't she?
	That is Nicole Shanahan, who up until recently, as you point out, Was RFK Jr's running mate?
	And not exactly a conservative, I might add.
	Yes, a multi-multi-multi-millionaire from Palo Alto, Silicon Valley, calling Kamala Harris a communist?
	A puppet?
	My oh my, we have to discuss that And Bobby Kennedy and Tulsi Gabbard's entry onto the Trump train with our fan favorite, the author most recently of The Superlative Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1, Lord Conrad Black.
	Welcome back to America First.
	Thanks very much, Sebastian.
	So we'll get to Bobby, we'll get to Tulsi in a moment, but I'm reading the first line of your latest piece, which has met with much approval from all the right places.
	And I was reading the Democrat presidential election campaign has now gone full metal jacket.
	When I first read it, I thought it was full mental jacket, which was also quite catchy, in my opinion.
	Into a Hollywood produced fantasy land.
	I'd like to double down on your full metal jacket Hollywood fantasy land with this.
	My team said, does anybody believe what is in this ad?
	I'm going to ask you, this is from the Never Trump Lincoln Project, their latest vision of America under President Trump.
	Will you play the campaign ad, please, Eric?
	This is S4, you're listening to Paradise.
	Code 4.
	Copy.
	Driver's license, registration.
	There you go, sir.
	How's your day going?
	That's your daughter?
	Sure is.
	Abigail, right?
	How do you know her?
	Were you about eight weeks pregnant?
	So you've been spotting recently.
	You've had any cramps or nausea?
	That's personal.
	You've been taking your prenatal vitamins?
	Excuse me?
	Are you ticketing me for something?
	Where are you heading, Abigail?
	To go see my older sister, Natalie.
	Well, that's strange.
	It just says here that Natalie's at a concert in Dallas.
	And your navigation is set to a women's health clinic in one of those abortion states.
	We have the right to travel.
	Not anymore.
	Step out of the car.
	Please, officer.
	Both of you, out now.
	You, sir, are under arrest for crossing state lines to obtain an abortion for a minor under your care.
	care.
	And you, young lady, well, you're under arrest for evading motherhood.
	That is the Lincoln Project saying that the president is going to make evading motherhood
	a federal crime.
	You've been chronicling American politics for decades, written numerous seminal works on it.
	What has happened to American politics, Lord Black?
	Well, it's an unusually divided time.
	The country's at a policy crossroads, and that is...
	Emphasized and in a way accelerated by the controversy provided by response to President Trump.
	I mean, he is a controversial person.
	And since he is trying to produce change, of course, that all public opinion polls show is favorably regarded by a majority in each major policy area, immigration, taxes and so forth. His opponents are emphasizing the
	unusual but presidential candidate and presidential standards aspects of his personality and
	career. And in this elevated environment, we got a great deal of name calling and misrepresentation.
	But this ad you just put on is in my experience, which goes back to the Eisenhower era,
	really it's in the category of and indeed worse than LBJ's ad implying that Barry Goldwater
	would blow up the world.
	The famous daisy chain ad, right?
	Yeah, and the mushroom cloud ball.
	I mean, that was sort of amusing in a way, and everyone knew it was an exaggeration, but I am afraid some people might actually believe nonsense like this.
	And, you know, we've reached a point of extreme irony where America's greatest president.
	His name is taken in vain by an organization that does nothing but sling mud and invent defamatory falsehoods about the country's leading politician.
	But the point here is that this isn't just some lunatic recording something on his phone.
	The Lincoln Project has raised hundreds of millions of dollars in the last eight years.
	And somebody funded this advertisement.
	Somebody's paying for it.
	And there's a level of gaslighting which is quite stunning because they say at the end That people with badges will make sure you're not allowed to have an abortion.
	Just read Project 2025.
	There is nothing in the 900 pages.
	There's an amazing analysis of the disinformation around Project 2025 from our colleague Ryan Macbeth.
	There is nothing in that document even close to that.
	And the obverse is true with President Trump.
	having the success in the Supreme Court to have Roe v. Wade struck down and have it sent back to the states out of federal government.
	So don't you feel at times that we're in a kind of twilight zone, bizarro version where a sizable part of the population just live in an alternate universe, Lord Black?
	Yes, and I've thought it for some time.
	And this ad is illustrative of it.
	I believe the Republican vice presidential candidate, Senator Vance, said in the last few days that if President Trump's reelected and a nationwide abortion ban is adopted by the Congress, he will veto it.
	So, I mean, the ad you put on, it's not—look, all political advertising tends to be self-serving, often exaggerates.
	Frequently takes cheap shots at the opponent, all of that, you know, and we're all accustomed to it.
	But that is just a tissue of lies.
	It's false from A to Z. And nothing of the kind would be favored by President Trump.
	And as you say, the Project 2025, as far as I know, it's really an economic plan.
	It has nothing to do with what they're talking about.
	So it's just an outright falsehood.
	It is bizarro, because in their desperation to stop Trump, they aren't making any argument on the major policy issues.
	The Democratic candidate is claiming she now holds positions completely different to what she had up to and including a few weeks ago, and all of this time, the last three and a half years, as the co-captain of the Titanic and the Biden administration.
	So she's done a complete about-turn, she says, Without any explicit statement of what her positions now are.
	But on the other hand, her partisans are attributing and imputing to President Trump positions he does not hold and never has held.
	And all the language from the convention that you discuss in your piece for the New York Sun about turning a page and we will have hope and there'll be a new chapter, which is a little strange if you are the people in power today.
	What page are you turning if you are the vice president of the current administration?
	The website is ConradMBlack.com, co-host of the podcast Scholars and Sense with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
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	We'll be back with Lord Black after these messages.
	By the way, I thought the Lincoln Project had basically pulled it up.
	It was kind of moribund about a year ago, and now I guess, you know, the lefty billionaires have given it an injection in the arm.
	Well, it was terribly discredited.
	It wasn't Eliane Conway's ex-husband, one of the leaders of it?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And also one of their founders, John Weaver, was arrested for sex with young men and doing inappropriate things with underage men as well.
	Very un-Lincolnian.
	Quite.
	I don't know how... I guess, does Lincoln not have any progeny and therefore his name can just be used willy-nilly?
	I guess so now.
	It's such an illustrious name, you know.
	I'm gonna use cut seven here and also cut three and I'm gonna need b-roll of Bobby Kennedy from Friday, okay?
	Yeah, got it.
	Can you play me cut seven?
	Seven.
	And seven and eight.
	You know, I really feel sorry for the Kennedy family because I'm gonna remind them you can pick your friends, you can't pick your relatives.
	And if Bobby Kennedy lived in a more humane country, They would have him in a nice rubble room.
	Okay, coming with that.
	You know, three hots and a cotton.
	Take care.
	You know, this is a guy, Donald Trump, who sits around all day watching Fox News and doesn't actually do much.
	He hasn't done many of these events, you know, these major addresses over the course of his campaign.
	And it's only now that it appears that he's either even or behind that he now is complaining he's got to go out and do some work.
	And he's basically saying Kamala Harris needs to do more.
	We have example after example of this administration, coordinated, apparently, according to a federal court, by your agency, pressuring, coercing social media companies to engage in censorship.
	Is that constitutional?
	That is unequivocally false.
	Is what the emails show.
	It is unequivocally false, Senator.
	You are not pressuring the big tech companies to take down accounts.
	You are not meeting with them to ask them to censor on your behalf.
	That is correct.
	We are not.
	Mr. Secretary, it has been established for years in this country, as you very well know, because you're a lawyer.
	That the federal government may not use private third parties to engage in activities that are unconstitutional.
	That's exactly what you and this administration are doing.
	You are leveraging private companies to carry out censorship on your behalf.
	It's dystopian, but worse than that, it's unconstitutional.
	It's also false.
	When was that, Jeff?
	That was a while back?
	I think I put it in there.
	November of 2020.
	I don't remember that.
	Was that a thing back then?
	I guess, because that was probably... Was that right after the Rogan, where Zuckerberg admitted it?
	I don't know.
	Might have been.
	How does Pritzker say stuff like that, the day after President Trump is in three different cities?
	Because they pretend he's not.
	Lawrence O'Donnell said Trump's running the laziest presidential campaign he's ever seen.
	As he's shouting at the people, hammering.
	20 seconds.
	I really feel sorry for the Kennedy family.
	I'm gonna remind them, you can pick your friends, you can't pick your relatives.
	And if Bobby Kennedy lived in a more humane country, They would have him in a nice rubble room and, you know, three hots and a cot and take care of this guy.
	He has no business being out on the street mixing and mingling with people, but this is where we are in this country.
	We have a mental health crisis and he's at the top of it.
	Oh dear, James Carville is worried.
	Why does he always dress like a hobo?
	He always looks like a hobo.
	He says RFK Jr.
	should be in a mental institution?
	That's not very tolerant of you, is it?
	Maybe he should try and relax and try one of my Teddy Roosevelt cigars.
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	I don't know if he's a fan of the Leaf.
	Maybe we'll find out the next time we meet in person.
	Lord Conrad Black, the author most recently of the seminal work, The Political and Strategic History of the World, Volume 1.
	Lord Black, Let's put it in presidential politics.
	As the New York Post had on its cover yesterday, we have a Kennedy endorsing a Republican.
	Despite what Mr. Carville said, Friday was an important day, wasn't it?
	I think so.
	I think it was.
	I mean, according to the polls I've seen, Robert Kennedy was taking around 5%.
	Of the vote in all of these key swing states.
	And, you know, he wouldn't necessarily, in his endorsement, deliver all of that.
	But he's certainly going to produce some votes.
	His support will produce some votes for Trump.
	And, you know, in some of these states, pardon me, it is very close.
	I personally doubt the election is going to be that close.
	I think in the end, Trump will expose the Democratic campaign as the house of cards that it is.
	And we'll win safely enough, but it has to be undoubtedly a plus point for him.
	Now, as for what Garbo said, I mean, I don't think he, I've never thought he had both oars in the water himself.
	So, you know, but we don't want to get into psychiatric name calling here, but I will say that some of Robert Kennedy's opinions are a little off the wall.
	I mean, the idea that the CIA, and I'm no apologist for the CIA, particularly the present CIA, but The idea that they murdered his father and his uncle, I mean, I don't think he should be saying that.
	I don't believe it's true.
	But on the other hand, in many areas, he's very sensible, he's a courageous man, rather an interesting man in many ways, and he doesn't deserve to be dismissed the way Carvel dismissed him.
	And in any case, such a dismissal from Carvel is more comment on the person who utters it than the person he's speaking about.
	But undoubtedly it's a plus point for the Trump campaign.
	It's senseless for the Democrats to pretend otherwise.
	Let's look at that Democrat campaign.
	Your fellow Canadian Mr. Wonderful Kevin O'Leary has this to say about the selected not elected candidate Kamala Harris.
	Cut three.
	There is no scenario where the President of the United States can't head up a press conference.
	Under any scenario, every president...
	Every president has been able to address the press and in the good times and the bad times.
	She has to start talking to the press.
	Period.
	There's no optionality.
	There's no scenario where anybody would be comfortable, particularly in the swing states, with swing voters.
	I was thinking to myself, what have we got here?
	Why won't she talk to the press?
	I'm asking it from a policy guy.
	I need explanations for these policies.
	I have to invest on these policies.
	I have questions and I don't get any answers.
	I'm not being unreasonable.
	Come out, come out wherever you are and talk to the press.
	Hide and go seek.
	Come out, come out wherever you are.
	Kamala, that's a Canadian with business interests in America, quite substantial ones.
	We are 70 days away from the election.
	She hasn't given an interview for 37 days.
	Can she keep it up, Lord Black?
	No, and I disagree with Kevin at one point.
	A president in office doesn't have to speak to the press. I mean, prior to FDR,
	they didn't normally hold regular press conferences. And a president doesn't have to speak to the
	press if he or she doesn't want to. But a candidate for president, nominated by one of the great
	parties, it is a completely unheard of idea that they would be as averse to speaking to the press
	as she has been. Now, we all, and certainly Kevin O'Leary is with us in this, know perfectly
	well what her motive is, unless it's just a new death in softballing by the pro-democratic
	national political media. And so to the point that what's your favorite flavor of ice cream, if
	I ask President Biden, is a hard, punchy question.
	Anything short of that, she's going to have a hell of a time explaining why she is taking a position now 180 degrees opposite For the administration that she's been the co-leader of for the last four years.
	And that's presumably her motive.
	And I guess they think that if a little more time goes by, it'll become easier to deal with questions like that.
	But I don't think it will.
	I think Kevin and others who criticized what she's been doing are right, that the longer she puts it off, the harder it's going to be.
	With regards to that debate, not the interview, but the debate that she can't wriggle out of it, she has to do at least one, we had a good friend of mine, a guest, who said, the debate doesn't really matter.
	It won't move the needle.
	It's not as if you're debating, you know, a mentally compromised individual like Joe Biden.
	Does the debate between the two candidates matter?
	I think it might, because I don't think she—on all I've seen of her going back to her time as Attorney General in California—I don't think she handles the debate format well.
	I mean, she didn't do that badly against then-Vice President Pence, but she certainly lost the debate, but not in a scandalous or embarrassing way.
	This is different.
	I mean, she is now running on a record she has to defend.
	It's all very well to say, I have my differences with President Biden, but where has she been for the last three years?
	She was ostensibly in charge of the border, as everybody knows.
	We now know she denies it, even though all the files of news film everywhere in the U.S.
	contain many expressions and confirmations that she was in charge of the border.
	And she's just going—she can't just pretend this didn't happen, and she can't hope that if she sits it out for another couple of weeks, this won't be of importance anymore.
	I don't—look, every discussion, every question she had when she was still running for president prior to the beginning of the primaries four years ago—she was bombed out before they got the Iowa caucus even.
	Her answer always was, we have to have a national conversation.
	Well, no, we don't.
	You're a candidate.
	We need to know what you think.
	And if she doesn't answer that question either by having people put the question and trying to answer it or just trying to keep her distance, this is the end of her occupation of public offices.
	We have been talking to Lord Conrad Black.
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	SebastianGorka.substack.com I think the letter from Zuckerberg was that he's not going
	to interfere in this election.
	Thank you.
	Again, I think if it's truthful, I don't see why he would say it and not do it.
	I think that's significant too.
	I mean, you know, he did say, to be fair to Zuckerberg, that he was very impressed with the president's late former president's performance.
	When, you know, when there was the attempt on his life.
	And he said it was, I can't quote him exactly, but something to the effect that it was a confirmation of the spirit of America and shows he's a strong, determined man and has qualities of leadership and character.
	Really, I think quite true, but quite flattering.
	And I have the impression that Zuckerberg has changed his view of Trump more than He has changed his view of what he, Zuckerberg, has a right to do in an election, if he feels like it.
	And I think that's not just a straw in the wind.
	He's an influential, wealthy man.
	And I think if he thinks that, instead of lots of other people who are thinking and doing the same thing.
	Interesting times, and it's only going to get more interesting.
	70 days to go.
	What, it's 10 weeks today?
	Yep.
	Mind you, half the people will have voted by then, I guess, but we get to open the ballots 10 weeks from now.
	Right.
	Right.
	It's incredible that in Virginia, where I live, we have 45 days of voting.
	Just insane.
	Insane.
	Good.
	Even election month doesn't do it anymore.
	Nope.
	A month and a half.
	Thank you, Conrad.
	That was super.
	Okay.
	Bye-bye.
	Right.
	Bye.
	Need titles for Wilkie and for Black?
	Uh, for Black... Is the Lincoln Project still a thing?
	Alright, and Wilkie.
	Charles McMaster and other deep staters.
	H.R.
	My pin at the top.
	Mm hmm.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Mhm.
	you We
	We found Ricky Gaines waiting for his takeout order.
	What do you look for when you're looking for a leader or somebody to vote for?
	Someone that's fair.
	Someone that's consistent.
	This Army veteran says he's now worried about safety here at home.
	I think crime, you know, that kind of keeps me up at night.
	The drugs, the crime, we've got to police that up.
	Crime, drugs, immigration, black voters in Virginia have had enough.
	Breaking news.
	Incredible.
	I'll file the court documents.
	This just happened moments ago.
	I guess he's failed everywhere else, so now he's just going to start from scratch.
	Jack Smith has filed a new indictment against Donald Trump.
	Conspiracy to defraud the United States over election proceedings.
	Jeff, can you believe that?
	I mean, he's been slapped down by the Supreme Court.
	So what?
	He just, like, starts again?
	Basically, they're trying to say he slimmed down the charges from before.
	That's the way CNN spun it.
	I was just reading the article.
	He slimmed it down.
	Yeah, right.
	We'll go to your calls in a second.
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	Gene, line one.
	Hey, Dr. G. Good afternoon to you.
	Hey.
	Hey.
	You know, I was singularly appalled by this Lincoln Project ad that you depicted here
	moments ago on the program.
	I'm not sure if you can see it.
	But I also wanted to say we have to understand what induced that.
	The Heritage Foundation is a fringe group of the Republican Party that nobody really pays much attention to.
	Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
	Excuse me?
	The most important, biggest, conservative organization, that's a 501c3, is fringe.
	Explain to me, before you go further, what is fringe about heritage?
	What is fringe about heritage is that most mainstream Republicans and centrist Republicans really don't use their policies as a template.
	We'll regard them as a template for what the Republican Party platform ought to be.
	So they do think that they're a little off.
	Whose policy templates do they use?
	Is it Cato?
	Is it AEI?
	Look, at full disclosure, I was an advisor to the former president.
	My wife was at the Heritage Foundation.
	But this is an entity with a $100 million budget and 92,000 members.
	When it comes to actually affecting policy in DC, it's not the fringe, it's the epicenter of conservative policy.
	So maybe the average voter doesn't read the Heritage Foundation website, but of all the conservative NGOs out there, Gene, you do know it's the biggest, right?
	Well, it sounds like it's big, but 92,000 members doesn't sound all that overwhelming to me.
	There's no organization that's conservative that has a bigger membership.
	None.
	Zero.
	But the thing is, is when you go as low as the Lincoln Project did with this ad, I mean it's about as low as you can go, what is to stop the Republicans from running a like-minded ad and maybe showing an ad of a co-ed jogging on a college campus and depicting a simulated murder of a co-ed by a legal immigrant and depicting that as a commercial?
	I love it!
	It's a great idea.
	It's a great idea, but you'd have to have, you know, a pair between your legs to do something like that.
	No.
	But getting back to the Heritage Foundation, I'm more in line with the Republicanism that existed under Teddy Roosevelt.
	I read all his biographies.
	But Teddy wasn't a real Republican.
	You know that, right?
	You know that with big government, environment.
	Teddy was not a Republican, Gene.
	I mean, Ronald Reagan would be shocked.
	Hayek from Mises would be shocked by the big government stuff Teddy did.
	You know that, right?
	Well, he doesn't fit in today's mainstream Republican Party, but he's more in line... No, no, no.
	Forget today's mainstream GOP.
	In terms of little government, Teddy was not a little government guy.
	I mean, he was great in terms of national security, walked softly, carried a big stick.
	But that guy was a big government guy.
	Well, yeah, maybe he was a big government guy, but he wasn't in contempt of everything that's sensible in terms of the environment and issues like that.
	And he did give us our national forest reserves before anyone thought of it.
	And imagine an America today without the unbelievable asset of our national forests.
	Well, don't you think the states should be in charge of those forests and not the feds, Gene?
	No, I'm not really for divesting of public lands away from stewardship from the federal government, because with the federal government having stewardship over federal lands, that means they are the boss of the American people.
	But shouldn't the states be the boss of those assets?
	Why don't you like the states, Gene?
	Stay on the line.
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	Um, what, what, what, what?
	Why should the Fed... I mean, I just think it's wrong.
	The Feds should have, you know, land anywhere.
	Why shouldn't the states have it?
	Well, I think the states have their own outlook and their own proclivities as to how they think these lands should be managed and how they should be exploited.
	Good, that's the point of a republic of states.
	That's the whole point.
	Why should Massachusetts not have a different attitude to land than Texas?
	And why should somebody in Washington D.C.
	decide that Massachusetts and Texas have to have the same attitude?
	I think you're missing the concept on conservatism, Gene.
	No, I'm not.
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	I'm for law and order.
	I'm for low taxes.
	I'm for curry-combing the budget for waste, fraud and abuse.
	Well, then Teddy Roosevelt isn't your man.
	I suggest you go back to the drawing board and find out somebody else who exemplifies what you're talking about.
	But thank you, Gene.
	Got to get to my next guest.
	Thank you, buddy.
	Mic's off, Alex.
	He's connected.
	That's good.
	That's good.
	All right, let's get started.
	Let's get started.
	All right, let's get started.
	Let's get started.
	All right.
	So, we're going to start with a little bit of a quick walk-through.
	So, we're going to start with a little bit of a walk-through.
	So, we're going to start with a walk-through.
	You're telling me a 20-year-old kid who's grown up in the digital era figured this out when he was, what, 13?
	To never get an online presence?
	We've seen nothing.
	Nothing.
	We're now six weeks in.
	There's not a Facebook photo?
	You know, it's incredible.
	We know every single thing about these shooting incidents when there's a political narrative to be had by the media and the other side.
	We do.
	You know who the girlfriend was.
	Sadly, you know everything about these people.
	We know nothing about this guy.
	And sophisticated explosives?
	We have this massive law enforcement bureaucracy.
	No one's got him with an online search history at a library saying, how do I build this?
	He's 20 years old.
	It just, again, it just defies logic.
	I can tell you, again, four years doing these exact investigations, never ever seen or heard anything like this in my life.
	That happened just yesterday.
	I was there in the room at the Heritage Foundation.
	A very unusual hearing, but it was a real hearing with real congressmen running it, and we are delighted to have one of them with us.
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	He was right there on the rostrum with his colleagues, with Matt Gaetz, with Corey Mills, and we're delighted to have him back less than 24 hours later.
	Congressman Andy Biggs, welcome back to America First.
	Thanks, Seb.
	Good to be with you.
	Now, I don't want to get you in trouble, Congressman.
	But it seems to me that you couldn't do what you wanted to do yesterday because a lot of your colleagues on Capitol Hill couldn't care less and were too busy having a vacation.
	Why did you hold your investigation, your committee hearing, your testimony at the Heritage Foundation on what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania?
	Well, so Seb, we can't get an official room right now and so we tried getting it at on the Capitol Hill and we thought we had it a location and then they kind of started getting hinky on us.
	So we went to Heritage Foundation and said we're going to do this and they said, hey, by coincidence, we're doing something the same day related to it.
	We'd love to have you there.
	And so we put it together.
	Great, great work on the part of my staff and the staff and of the other members of Congress.
	Great work to get the witnesses there.
	And we had a nice, as you know, because you were there, a room full of people, people who really care and wanted to do it there.
	So that's why we ended up at Heritage.
	And I'm going to give you my take.
	Everybody needs to go and watch the video.
	Dan Bogino was there.
	We had others.
	We had Eric Prince from Blackwater.
	Thank you, Mr. Congressman.
	You know me, I don't like conspiracy theories because there's a reason they're called theories.
	But after everything that you outlined yesterday, the disastrous timeline, I think one of our callers called it planned failure or deliberate failure.
	We're five, six weeks in after the event.
	You're the expert.
	You had the hearing yesterday.
	What kind of conclusions are you drawing about How President Trump could have been shot in the head by a 20-year-old who has no social media footprint?
	Well, without starting to list all of the systemic failures on the part of the Secret Service at this particular event, I mean, it was like Bongino said yesterday.
	He said, look, he doesn't believe in his whole time at the Secret Service he ever saw anything that was politically motivated and how they how they determined protective detail for somebody. But in
	this instance, he says it certainly looks at least politically tinged. And
	so let's think about it.
	When your caller suggested that what I would call willful failure, willful negligence,
	which is kind of an oxymoron, right?
	Willful negligence means you don't mean to do it, but willful means you meant to do something.
	So it's not unlike, I use this a lot.
	Mike Lee uses it a lot.
	We compare this to the David Bathsheba story where David is, you know, he's impregnated his mistress and he's in trouble.
	And so he sends Uriah, the husband of the mistress, to the battle to be killed.
	Um, he could have, uh, he could have avoided that.
	He didn't pull the trigger, but he facilitated or left it open for him to be killed.
	And that's so when you begin looking at you say, look, there was no counter surveillance team.
	Um, and as Bongino points out, counter surveillance team would have probably picked up on, on the shooter.
	hours before because he was acting so suspicious and furtive.
	Then you have the Secret Service, as Ben Schaefer, who was on the ground, a counter-sniper there yesterday, as he
	pointed out, Secret Service doesn't attend the 9 a.m. meeting.
	meeting, doesn't pick up the communications radios.
	They're forced to use text messaging.
	You have somebody who vacates a rooftop, not because it was slow, but because it was hot.
	They have a too narrow perimeter.
	All those things lend credence to the notion that if this was not intentional based on bias, It certainly looks like it was willful negligence.
	And I'm just giving a few of the items that came out yesterday that have been verified.
	Not to mention, they've cleaned up that crime scene within three days.
	What about the fact that the body was cremated so incredibly rapidly?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the body gets cremated to the shooter.
	The coroner didn't even know the body was going to be cremated.
	I mean, these are things that you when you start looking at it, you say that that is, you know, we use the term cascading incompetence.
	Well, at some point, it's not just incompetence anymore.
	It is.
	It is.
	Somebody is making decisions that are so out of out of the main of what you're supposed to do and that it almost looks Like there was something willful about it.
	I mean, look, as pointed out yesterday, you had three times as many Secret Service personnel at a closed door event for the First Lady.
	But the Republican nominee, as well as he's a former president, He doesn't have those basic things.
	And we talked about the water tower, logistics, the tactics, the strategy.
	And in the meantime, you've got a guy who's 20 years old who has the sophisticated bomb system in a car that is within, you know, 175, 200 yards of the X spot, which is where the president's going to be.
	And he's got sophisticated detonation, remote detonation Equipment.
	And guess what?
	There's no way to determine how he got that, how he even learned to make that kind of bomb.
	It's just a black hole and we need to find out more.
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	It says, quote, fictional tale regarding abortion, reality if you try and carry a firearm in your vehicle in some states.
	Right, right, right.
	All right, I'm going to play cut 17.
	All righty.
	Ah yes.
	And then we're going to record these, my pillows.
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	One minute.
	We also gotta do the cuts for Casio.
	Yeah, yeah, I got em.
	That's the truth.
	That's the truth.
	Even on the bar that Kamala Harris had.
	Right, I know.
	It's not partisan.
	I've never been a burden.
	It's like a non-partisan way of doing things.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because if you don't vote for Kamala Harris and Trump gets in, these policies get implemented.
	You said T-up 17, right?
	Kamala's going to get in.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	It's good.
	It's going to happen.
	But.
	Fingers crossed.
	Right, fingers crossed.
	But if she doesn't, again, they're going to continue to try pushing.
	Because racial justice is the particular focus of mine.
	Is that important to you?
	I think it's important.
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	America first.
	So we played the Lincoln Project lunacy about the handmaiden's tale coming to America, which is weird because it didn't come when President Trump was the president three years ago.
	So why now?
	Let's talk about the truth about what they're promoting, the Lincoln Project.
	More abortions!
	This came up on my social media estates.
	A woman's voice, a woman being interviewed by Mike Knowles, and maybe this could be a campaign ad.
	Cut 17.
	I got pregnant, and this is embarrassing, but I was addicted to drugs.
	My doctor said, how dare you bring A baby into this world when you're addicted to drugs is going to be damaged or neurologically damaged.
	So I got really upset and I had an abortion.
	But when I had the abortion, I told the doctor that I wanted to stay awake.
	He said, why?
	And I said, so I never do this again.
	I was awake for the whole thing and there was a red medical trash can.
	And I watched him throw my baby in the trash, and it was the most painful...
	experience of my life.
	You know, they herd you into this waiting room and they shut the door and you can't go out.
	You have to go through the procedure room and all the girls there are really young and they were crying.
	The place put boxes of tissue out and now I look back and how disgusting that was that they knew how hard it was and they put boxes of tissue out.
	There's a party that wants more of that.
	Because 800,000 a year simply isn't enough.
	Isn't that diabolical?
	Isn't that satanic?
	Whatever you want to label it.
	It's just wrong.
	How did that happen?
	Because really deep down they're Marxists.
	And they hate God.
	They know He exists, they just say He doesn't.
	How did it happen here in America?
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	Once upon a time, I was a liberal.
	But you already know that.
	Six years ago, I proclaimed that I was no longer a liberal and told all the reasons why.
	But I had no idea how much worse things were about to get.
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	They've pushed for every policy objective that would increase crime and disunity while destroying our economic system, our justice and morality, our right to defend our border, and our right to defend ourselves.
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	Is it possible that man made the right decision six years ago?
	I find it hard to credit, but it's true.
	We're going to celebrate that anniversary and the incredible organization he created.
	Brandon Strzok of the Walk Away campaign.
	Welcome back, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Great to be here.
	So, is that right?
	Six years?
	Yeah, six years.
	And depending on how you look at it, sometimes it's felt more like 60 years, especially when I was in jail.
	Yeah, we'll talk about what happened to you because you're not just, you know, a content provider.
	You're not just a talking head.
	You've lived it.
	You've walked The fire of what the Democrats and the Deep State have done to you.
	So, for those who aren't familiar with Brandon Strzok and the organization WalkAway, let's begin at the beginning.
	So, were you an independent?
	Were you apolitical?
	Were you a Democrat?
	Where were you when you began this journey?
	And what was the trigger, Brandon?
	I was definitely very much a hardcore Democrat, hardcore liberal.
	I would say that I was like a liberal Democrat social issues voter.
	Not terribly informed about politics, but that's kind of how the Democrats like their voting base.
	So I would say I was very typical in that sense.
	I mean, I was voting on issues like You know, anti-guns, pro-LGBT rights, and pro-abortion, you know, basically the social issues that—and of course, you know, anti-racism, things like that.
	And yeah, my journey really began because of Donald Trump.
	I voted for Hillary in 2016 after voting for Barack Obama twice and always being a Democrat Party voter.
	And it was, if Donald Trump had not run for president, I have no doubt that I would still be a liberal today.
	Because it was the earthquake that he created when he decided to run for office and the even bigger earthquake that happened when he won, which was not supposed to happen.
	That's what started my journey of trying to understand.
	My journey began with two questions.
	Before we go to the two questions, you voted for Hillary.
	So back in 16, what did Donald Trump represent to you?
	What did you think of him back then?
	Well, first of all, until the media told me to start hating Donald Trump, until the media told me that we needed to believe that he was a racist and a bigot, I loved Donald Trump.
	I was a huge fan of The Apprentice.
	I remember Donald Trump from the 80s and the place that he had in 80s popular culture.
	I thought he was great.
	But then all of a sudden, one day, as we were ramping up for the 2016 election, the CNN, MSNBC, New York Times, all the media that I trusted, ...started telling me that he was anti-Mexican, that he was anti-woman, that he was anti-black, that he was anti-gay, that he makes fun of disabled people, on and on and on.
	And I just laughed it all off.
	I forgot that one.
	I forgot the, he makes fun of handicapped people.
	That was such a thing, wasn't it?
	When he shook his hands in a gesture he's used a hundred times just to talk about silly people.
	I completely forgot about that.
	So you were a fan and then you just absorbed all this, you know, calumny and libel and then you believed it and then what happened, Brandon?
	Well, then what happened was he got elected.
	And when he got elected, which was like the biggest upset, one of the biggest upsets in American history, if not the biggest upset.
	I know I was certainly upset.
	I basically kind of went through several weeks of feeling, I mean, I was Crying.
	I was scared.
	was because they kept saying that his election was basically the representation of this uprising
	in America of bigotry and this backlash to Barack Obama as a Black man becoming president,
	and that this was basically representative of some sort of surge that was happening in this country
	of white nationalism, and that these people were angry because gay people had rights and Black
	people had rights, and it was legitimately scary to me as somebody who was believing it.
	And so I went through several weeks of feeling really tormented and really upset and almost
	obsessed, I would say, with the feelings of despair about Donald Trump being elected.
	And then I thought to myself, OK, this is going to be a very long and very terrible four years if I don't find a way to come to terms with what has just happened.
	So again, my journey then began with just asking two questions.
	One, how did the media that I trusted get this so wrong?
	And number two, why would anybody vote for Donald Trump being such a horrible person as I believe that he was?
	And so I went back and I revisited all of those moments, the comments about Mexicans and women and the disabled reporter.
	And what I discovered was when I really dug in and did my own research and watched these moments in full proper context, 100% of the time, these things were not what the media that I trusted had represented.
	In fact, in many instances, Donald Trump had said or done the opposite of what they had said that he did.
	And I want to make clear, I didn't walk out of one door and into another.
	I would say it was around March of 2017 that I officially made the decision that I could no longer be a Democrat, I could no longer be a liberal, and I didn't believe in or trust the left-wing media anymore.
	But it was probably another six months before I came around to understanding that Donald Trump was not what I believed.
	Did it take so long because it was so hard to get to the truth and find the original sources?
	Or was it just this mental block?
	Because it must have been difficult to, you know, get past the mainstream libel and find the truth.
	Was it difficult?
	Oh, super difficult.
	And not just to break through the information barrier to get to the truth about Donald Trump and what he represents and what MAGA represents, but the emotional barrier that so many people have.
	I mean, it's a very difficult thing To come to terms with the fact that you've been wrong and very wrong, especially when you've been vocal and outspoken and chastised people, you know, which I had done so frequently.
	I mean, I was on social media constantly wagging my finger at the stupid, ignorant, bigoted people of the MAGA movement.
	And now I was like, holy crap, I was wrong about everything.
	And that takes time, too, to be able to kind of, you know, eat crow and be able to admit that.
	But ultimately, what I wanted was the truth.
	And it took me that long to find the truth, and then probably a little extra time to humble myself and be willing to admit that I had made a mistake.
	And then six months of research, before that you realize you're not a liberal, you're not a democrat.
	When do you become MAGA?
	By the end of 2017.
	I'll never forget, I saw a video that somebody had made where they basically took a speech that Donald Trump gave at one of his rallies, but they cut it down to like four or five minutes.
	You've seen my videos, so you kind of have an idea of what resonates with me.
	This person took his speech, cut it down to about five minutes, added music, added imagery, and it really was this incredible video where Donald Trump was talking about taking on the deep state and what we're up against and what the left is trying to do to our country.
	And what I realized was that all of these things that I had just learned over the last six months about the Democrats and about the left-wing media and about liberalism, That's exactly what Donald Trump was fighting against, and that's what MAGA is all about.
	The preservation of our country and our culture and our values by fighting against the radical left that's trying to destroy our country.
	It all clicked for me.
	Okay, this is why they hate this man so much.
	And this is why they want to fill my head with misinformation so that I would never support him.
	Because he's out to try to clean house and get rid of them in the interest of saving our country.
	And all of a sudden I got it.
	And at that moment, I mean, it was instantaneous.
	I was like, okay, I love this guy.
	Love this guy.
	And then from that point on, I was all in.
	Do you remember who made that summarize video?
	Who did that original one?
	I don't know who made it, but I have it, and I'll post it today on my ex account.
	Let's do it.
	Let's do it.
	Yeah, I'll post that today.
	It's a great video.
	Follow him, Brandon.
	It's written Strakka, S-T-R-A-K-K-A, pronounced Strok-like Rock.
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	Brandon, I see you are wearing a butler Pennsylvania t-shirt, very similar to the ones we have on our website, but this one says hashtag walkaway.
	You've got to go to your website.
	Walkaway, what is it, .org?
	Well, yeah, if people were interested in checking out our merch, it's walkaway.shop.
	But I highly encourage people to check out our website walkawaycampaign.com.
	walkawaycampaign.com and walkaway.shop as well.
	Check them out.
	We'll talk about Butler, Pennsylvania and what effect you think that has on your movement on, you know, November and everything else.
	But Talk to us about the last six years.
	Has it been like the butterfly coming out of the chrysalis?
	What has it been for you like as a personal experience?
	I presume you lost a lot of friends, Brandon.
	Yeah, so that I would say happened within the first 2017 and 2018.
	So as I started to speak out more and more about what I was learning, I would say by the time I started WalkAway in 2018, I had lost about 90% of my friends.
	And then after I started WalkAway, I lost the remaining 10%.
	But you made a lot of new ones, right?
	This is a big organization.
	Yeah, no, I've definitely made a lot of new friends and I've made a lot of new friends who value my desire to seek truth and to always live in truth.
	I mean, that's what's the most important thing to me.
	I mean, even if that truth is unflattering to either side of the aisle.
	And I found a lot more tolerance on the right than I ever found on the left, even just to be able to simply ask questions.
	Because this all began with me just asking questions, and just by asking questions, I started losing friends because people felt like even just asking questions was somehow supportive of Donald Trump.
	And I guess I don't understand that, because one should be able to always seek truth without fear of some sort of reprisal.
	So, explain, I mean, maybe I should have asked this question early on.
	I mean, we're friends, we've known each other for years.
	What do you see as the goal, the strategic objective of WalkAway?
	Is it just for people to tell their stories about how they were tricked, or is there something forward-looking?
	WalkAwayCampaign.com is about what, Brandon?
	Yeah, so WalkAway started in May of 2018 as a Facebook group.
	And in the group, I told other people who were feeling the same way I was feeling to share their stories about walking away from the left, that I wanted to build a network and a community of support for people as they walk away from the Democratic Party.
	Because as I've said many times before, worst case scenario, walking away from the Democrats is like leaving a cult.
	And as As humorous as that might sound, it's actually very serious.
	I mean, a lot of people, just from leaving the Democrats, have lost friends, they've
	lost family, they've lost jobs, they've lost marriages.
	And to the point of experiencing ongoing harassment after the fact, much like leaving a lot of
	much like leaving a lot of popular cults we know where people will continue to harass people for
	popular cults we know where people will continue to harass people for years on end afterwards,
	years on end afterwards, these things really do happen. In best case scenario, the person is
	these things really do happen.
	And in the best case scenario, the person is likely to have a pretty lonely journey
	likely to have a pretty lonely journey as they kind of enter into this new life of seeking truth
	and leaving the left. And so what I wanted to do was make sure that nobody ever has to experience
	that alone again, because that's kind of what I went through. And so over the course of the next
	two and a half years, that group grew to over 511,000 people, tens of thousands of written
	and video testimonials of people sharing their stories about why they're leaving the Democratic
	Party. And And then on January 8th of 2021, on the same day that Facebook banned President Trump, they also banned the walkaway campaign for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
	So the entire community and all of that content, all of those videos and stories were lost in an instant.
	But I can't get into it too much right now.
	I'll be able to in a week or two, but I'm getting some really significant support right now and going after Facebook from a government level for what they did to us.
	And I think that we're going to get some answers very soon about that.
	But I will say, That is what WalkAway was, and I think that the secret sauce to why we have been so successful is that we never told people—we're not encouraging people to leave groupthink and join another form of groupthink.
	So we don't tell people who they have to vote for, what they have to believe.
	It's not about walking away from the Democrats and becoming a Republican or that you have to support Trump.
	All we ask is that you do your own homework, do your own research, think for yourself, and go on your own journey of discovery.
	And if that leads you to the Republican Party being an independent, being undecided, loving Trump, not loving Trump, we really don't care.
	As long as you're not being victimized by the identity politics of the left or in some way sort of subjugated into the groupthink and tribal mentality of the Democrats.
	That's what we want to free people from.
	And were you given any justification for why you were nuked on Facebook, did they say, or is it the usual, community standards?
	Yep.
	It was a boilerplate alert that told us that we had violated community standards.
	We were never shown a violative post or told why it happened.
	And it was really, really egregious.
	I mean, they not only banned our group of over 511,000 people, but they permanently banned every single person who was an admin of the group and that included yeah and that included
	business people who weren't even necessarily political or you know like our
	merch managers our marketing people these people lost their business accounts
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	I don't know if we've discussed this before, but as I was thinking about today, your story is so similar, Brandon, to the story of the great Andrew Breitbart.
	I'm sure you've read his book, Righteous Indignation, every one.
	My last book, The War for America's Soul, was inspired by Chapter 3.
	If you just read Chapter 3 of his book, it's life-changing.
	His description of what the left is and what it has become is stunning.
	And for those who aren't familiar with this master of the new conservative movement who
	we lost far too early.
	He was, he describes himself in the opening, as you know Brandon, as a mindless drunk at Tulane University who's a lefty and then he watches on C-SPAN the coverage of the Clarence Thomas quote-unquote high-tech lynching by none other than Joe Biden and he says you know what you know the pubic hairs on the coke can I don't buy it this god-fearing quiet black American is supposed to be some predator and he just
	Asked a question and started to dig and dig and dig.
	Let me ask you about this aspect of it.
	You've got so many people in your organization right now.
	Hopefully it's happening everywhere after Butler.
	Is the greatest obstacle not the saturation?
	Or the Lying Legacy's propaganda day in day out, Charlottesville and everything else.
	But the psychological aspect of, you know, the alcoholic can only start his journey away from alcoholism by first admitting he's an alcoholic.
	So how difficult is that step of saying, you know, I might have been wrong about everything.
	Well, it definitely turned your life upside down.
	I can tell you, and I went through literally months.
	I can say that I spent months knowing that I needed to walk away.
	Intellectually, I fully realized that I had been lied to and deceived by the left-wing media, by the Democrats, but I also knew the negative impact it was going to have on my life.
	You know, in addition to the fact what we talked about before about like, you know, humbling yourself to being willing to admit that you were wrong, that's its own thing.
	But then when you know, you're like, Look, every time I go to a barbecue or a party or I'm hanging out with my liberal friends, they're talking about Donald Trump.
	They're repeating whatever stupid thing CNN told them that day that he said or did that wasn't true.
	How am I going to continue to be in these types of environments, knowing at this point that this stuff isn't real, but still being able to associate with my friends and maintain the life that I've known up until this point?
	And I think that a lot of people reach a point where they have to ask, Which, you know, can I live a lie and keep kind of going down this path, which I actually considered, by the way, I truly did think like, OK, maybe I'll just keep this to myself and continue to exist within the same social realms.
	And when they're talking about these things, I'll just kind of keep my mouth shut, you know, and hope that I blend in for as long as I can.
	Or can I not live a lie?
	And do I need to actually make a change in my life?
	I think that for most people, They reach a point where they cannot continue to exist within this lie.
	And I think that the feeling of betrayal that they feel when they realize that the system they've been a part of and the people that they believed in is so deceptive and so divisive, ultimately, I think for most people, it becomes a thing where they can't really live with themselves anymore.
	And that when that feeling becomes great enough, they have no choice but to leave.
	The organization that if you are considering leaving, if you've woken up, if you've red-pilled yourself, is walkawaycampaign.com, led by our good friend Brandon Stark.
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	So we haven't really broached this.
	I mean, we've texted back and forth over the last couple of years, but you have gone through perdition.
	You have walked through the fire, my friend, because on January the 6th, you just You posted some videos or did some selfie videos from Congress.
	You didn't hurt anybody.
	You didn't break anything.
	You were raided by the FBI.
	You were arrested.
	You were charged.
	What was the final upshot of all that?
	How has that left you feeling about what you've created with the walk away campaign, Brandon?
	Well, I mean, on the one hand, I would say that the only reason why I endured what I endured is because we were so successful, have been so successful at what we did.
	And in fact, that's not just me patting myself on the back.
	I mean, literally, the FBI and the DOJ said as much, both in the charging documents that they came after me with and in all the documents that they filed throughout my entire case.
	They kept saying to the judge and to the courts, That it was very necessary that my case be treated differently, that I be given a harsher treatment than I should have for the activity that I was being charged with, which still I think makes absolutely no sense to anybody.
	But essentially what they said is that, you know, this guy has a large audience and a lot of influence and people are listening to him and when he organizes events, people are showing up and therefore he needs to be taught a very harsh lesson about Going to the Capitol, I guess, on January.
	I don't know, but, you know, I never entered the building on that day.
	I didn't witness any violence, vandalism, theft, or destruction.
	I certainly didn't commit any.
	Nonetheless, I have been treated like a domestic terrorist for the last three and a half years because I stood outside of the building for eight minutes shooting a video.
	The President has said that he will pardon anybody who was wrongfully convicted on January the 6th.
	We have to do our part, God willing, to make sure he is re-elected as the 47th President of the United States.
	There's less talk of January 6th.
	There was some last week at the DNC, but it's kind of died a death as a kind of You know, rhetorical brick bat for the left.
	I think Butler is part of that.
	How do you see the attempted assassination of President Trump feeding into what you've been doing?
	Is it the giant red pill?
	Have you seen it having an effect on Democrats who are getting close to the edge of saying, I don't recognize my party anymore, and now they just try to assassinate President Trump?
	How do you look at Butler, Pennsylvania?
	Yeah, well we've definitely gotten some posts and some stories from people who that was a moment for them that was obviously too far and that I think that they were already kind of on the edge anyway and that was a final straw moment for them so that that's definitely happening but I want to I guess say at the same time that what's different right now than when I started WalkAway was again I started WalkAway in May of 2018 So Trump had already been elected president.
	He had two more years of his first term left to serve, or more than two years.
	We were in a midterm election year, and I think that people who might walk away, and I think conservatives or people in the middle, were feeling much more hopeful And I think they were feeling much more safe than they're feeling today.
	Right now, we're in a very crucial do or die presidential election year.
	And unfortunately, because of that, the left is pulling out every possible step.
	I mean, they're literally creating this entire theatrical presentation of the candidacy of Kamala Harris, which is working very effectively for a lot of people on the left.
	So, I'm not hearing as many stories as I would like to hear of people leaving the left because I feel like they're feeling a renewed sense of hope with the propaganda that's being put forward with Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
	We're going to pull out every stop on our end to make sure that we're educating people about the truth of what the Democrats are doing and what the media is doing to basically create a false illusion But it is a concerning time that we're in that I think that a lot of people on the left are falling for the propaganda about this energy, renewed energy, of the Kamala Harris candidacy.
	And that's something that all of us are going to have to pull together and fight against.
	For me, it really has come to... I wrote a whole article on my Substack last week about this.
	The majority of the Democrat party is a cult.
	These are people you can't reason with.
	If they haven't started asking questions themselves, if you buy into the transgender, open borders are good, there is no inflation, these aren't people who can be reasoned with, Brandon.
	For those who are on the cusp, who are nearing, you know, the red-pilling moment, Is there a commonality?
	Is there an issue you talk to them which helps them?
	Is it the border?
	Is it the treatment of children?
	What's the most effective tool for those who are about to walk away?
	Right.
	So, you know, one thing with the walkway movement is we certainly, we wouldn't waste our time and energy trying to get every single person on the left to leave because some people are simply not ready and they're too far gone, and to your point, cannot be reasoned with.
	What we try to do is look for these people who have been pushed to the center, pushed to the margins, because the party has become too extreme for them.
	And I would say that the most common Theme that we hear from every single person who walks away, even though their individual stories might be different, even though it might be the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, or the Black Lives Matter riots, or it might be the COVID shutdowns, it might be this or that.
	The common theme in every story of every person who walks away is betrayal, and the realization that they have been betrayed By the party, the system, the media, something that they believed in, something that they became a part of because they wanted to be a part of something that was for the betterment of humanity, and it turns out that it was something that was untrue.
	And so when we can go to people and educate them about the ways in which they're being lied to, deceived, exploited, manipulated, propagandized to, That is, I think, the key to giving them the final push that they need.
	Because so many people know, they're like, something doesn't feel right.
	This doesn't feel the way it used to feel.
	They just need that final push and a hand extended to them to say, yes, you're making the right decision to walk away.
	You're not crazy.
	What you're feeling is absolutely accurate.
	Come and join us, because a lot of us have made this decision already.
	I love that.
	I think I might have to send a clip of this to the campaign.
	So powerful.
	The sense of betrayal, helping people deal with that, and then reaching out to them.
	That's why he is the founder of the walkaway movement, walkawaycampaign.com, Brandon Strock.
	That's BrandonStrocker on Twitter, and BrandonStrocker.com.
	Everyone's doing it.
	First it was me and my muse Katie, now Mr. G, the executive producer, and Dennis Prager are on the PhD program.
	Why?
	Because it works.
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	So how did we get here?
	That we have one of our two parties, truly is unrecognizable and is radical.
	I mean...
	JFK, Scoop Jackson, they wouldn't recognize today's Democrat Party.
	It's radicals, it's open border, pro-LGBTQ, child mutilation in the name of transgenderism.
	It's just insanity.
	How did we get here?
	Katie's book has all the receipts with Mike Gonzales, next-gen Marxism, what it is and how to combat it.
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	And for stories of those who are combating it, tune in to Katie and Jennifer Horne's new podcast, The Happy Women Podcast.
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	We've only got a few minutes left and I just want to ask you a very, you know, simple question.
	For those who are in a position where they're asking questions like you were, like the great Andrew Breitbart was, just go to the website, watch the, I think it's six, seven minute video I reposted of your anniversary on my ex-account, on yours, which is BrandonStraka, S-T-R-A-K-A What can we do for you?
	When you were under the gun, when the FBI came after you, I kept you in my prayers.
	What can we do for you, for your organization, or for those amongst us who are just taking those baby steps towards the realization that you had six years ago, Brandon?
	Well thank you, I appreciate the question.
	The first thing I would say is that if anybody wants to help contribute to our efforts, and if you don't know, we're much more than just a social media movement, always have been.
	We do college campus tours, we travel around the country talking to minority communities like the Black community, Hispanic community, LGBT community, trying to get people to wake up and walk away.
	Um, we, I do, and I would say pretty outstanding, um, uh, social media content, educational videos.
	So if anybody wants to be a part of helping us, uh, educate and liberate more people, uh, they can go to walkawaycampaign.com and we certainly appreciate any financial support that we can get or, uh, volunteer support, any of that.
	And you can do all of that at walkawaycampaign.com.
	The other thing I want to tell people that we're pretty excited about is that between now and November 1st, we're actually running our first ever contest.
	We're calling it the Walk Away $10,000 Testimonial Video Challenge.
	We are literally going to give away $10,000 to the person with the best walk away story between now and November 1st.
	So even if you've shared your story in the past, everybody's eligible.
	As long as you have a truthful and heartfelt story to share, all you have to do is go to walkawaychallenge.com, make sure you read all the rules, make sure you follow all the steps to qualify, but fill out your form, make your video, And we're giving away $500 to the third place videos, $1,000 to the second place video, and $10,000 to the first place best video.
	And even more exciting, the first 50 people to enter automatically win $100.
	So if you make your walkaway video and share it and you're one of the first 50, you're automatically going to win $100 and you're going to have a chance to win $10,000.
	All you have to do is go to walkawaychallenge.com, read the rules, sign up and get those stories out there.
	I want to see thousands of walkaway stories between now and November 1st and you can have your shot at $10,000 if you go to walkawaychallenge.com.
	You can tell he truly is a Democrat.
	He's left the Democrats and is a Republican.
	He's an entrepreneur now.
	$10,000 for the best story.
	Come on, guys.
	Step up to the plate.
	walkawaycontest.com.
	That's walkawaycontest.com.
	What a great story.
	Challenge.
	Walk away challenge.
	walkawaychallenge.com.
	And you even get a potential prize if you're one of the top entries as well.
	But $10,000?
	Wow.
	Walk away.
	Do it today.
	All right, guys.
	Follow Brandon at BrandonStrakka, S-T-R-K-A, on Twitter.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker.
	This has been America First One-on-One.

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