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Mark Davis LIVE: Drumbeat intensifies for Biden exit
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I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice
of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thank you.
Thank you, Dr. G!
Mark Davis in for you as I was yesterday and as I will be tomorrow.
Consider me your entrance ramp to the 4th of July holiday.
And I have to say, once again, Mark Davis from 660AM, The Answer, in Dallas-Fort Worth, did my show this morning.
Oh, oh my!
As I always say, no matter who I'm in for, there's no better prep than doing my own show this morning, mixing it up with listeners about various things that are happening.
And there are things happening right now, as we speak.
Karine Jean-Pierre is taking questions.
I'll just let that marinate in your mind.
It's going about as you think it would.
But is it a surprise how it's going?
We hear just a little bit ago this afternoon that Joe Biden will subject himself to a, it's like subjecting yourself to a back rub, to an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC.
But which Stephanopoulos will he get?
Which ABC will he get?
Will he get the ABC and Stephanopoulos that have run a protection racket for him for years?
Will they get the ABC and the Stephanopoulos that are apologists for him and explainers for him and shills for him?
Will they get the ABC?
Will they get the Stephanopoulos in an interview with Joe Biden that is out to get him?
The long knives are out.
The drumbeat intensifies.
Many, many, many on the left beating that drum in an attempt to prod him from what appears to be his or his wife's Dogged determination to not let go.
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It's probably 60 degrees.
I am in a broadcast studio and outside my building it's 105 and I don't know if I would trade places with him.
Not that they're not having a good time, because I'm sure they are, but what a blessing it is to be here with you.
So today, some great guests lie ahead, but the people I want to talk to right now, that would be you.
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Here we go.
When we were together just 24 hours ago when we were embarking on the Monday broadcast, it was like, wow, can you believe the meltdowns?
Can you believe the conniption fits that people are having in reaction to the Supreme Court Doing its job.
The Supreme Court actually ruling constitutionally.
Actually doing something with a certain constitutional sensibility.
They were not acting to fluff Trump's chances.
They were not acting to do his political bidding.
It's the balance of powers.
This is what the Constitution teaches.
This is what the founders intended.
The whole balance of powers.
is so that neither the executive, the legislative, or the judicial gets an undue upper hand.
They all have a certain space that is carved out for them, and one of the spaces carved out for a president is we're not going to have over-ambitious jack-wagon district attorneys or attorneys general in some hostile state come after a guy and dog him for something he did in the conduct of his duties as president.
Democrat presidents will be protected from this same thing, but They don't care about that, because right now it is all about Trump.
Everything is about Trump.
But right now, in the press room, it's all about Biden.
Let's go as fresh as moments ago in the world of the broadcast from the White House press room.
First up, Karine Jean-Pierre was asked—this is like the first questions out of the box, usually for years.
It's been, you know, can we get you a Coke?
Are you OK?
How are you doing?
How much do we love Biden?
Lately, not so much.
I gotta say that even pre-debate, on inflation, on borders, every once in a while, this press corps, yes, this press corps has asked Corrine some challenging questions.
But nothing like today.
It began, I'm not making this up as I will now prove to you, it began with the White House press corps asking, was the president on drugs?
You just reminded us that President Biden had a cold.
On Thursday.
What medications was he taking in the days or hours leading up to the debate?
And I know that question has come in a couple of times to us.
He was not taking any cold medication.
Was he taking any medication that would have interfered with his performance?
He was not taking any cold medication.
That is what I can speak to.
I've asked his doctor and that's what he stated to us.
That's how you know this is not going to be a good day for cringe Jean-Pierre.
So her instinct, and gotta hand it to her, it's probably a good one when things are this bad, is start to change the subject as soon as possible.
So while the Democrat Party itself goes looking for a hook with which they can force him from the stage, Corrine says, hey, look at the record.
Let me just step back for a minute and I guess deal with the questions that have come in about the debate.
And honestly, this is something that the president has addressed himself multiple times since this past Thursday.
And first of all, I want to say we understand the concerns.
We get it.
The president did not have a great night, as you all know, and many of you reached out during the debate.
The President had a cold, he had a hoarse voice, you all heard it, that's why you reached out.
But I will say this, and the President said this over the past couple of days, certainly right after the debate, he knows how to do the job.
And he knows how to do the job, not because he says it, because his record proves it.
Because for three and a half years, almost four years, the President's record has been unprecedented.
Oh my.
It's kind of like Biden himself on debate night.
I almost feel sorry for him.
In this gig for Corinne Jean-Pierre, I almost feel sorry for her.
But the key word is almost because I just can't get there.
I don't want Joe Biden to die in front of my face.
I don't want him to twist off into some horrible cognitive decline and health tailspin.
I want him to be healthy and happy and live to be 112, but not while he's able to screw up my country.
That is, I feel bad for the country before I feel bad for him.
Last thing of Corrine, she's getting testy like five or ten minutes in.
I think the next question was, was there a neurological scan after the debate debacle?
After the debate, did the President get examined by a doctor or did he get a neurological scan?
A neurological scan?
Look, what I can say is that, just to take a step back, it was a bad night.
We understand that it was a bad night.
And the President has spoken to this.
And he understands that.
And so, I cannot speak to anything beyond what I just shared.
The President has regular annual physicals that we release in a thorough report.
We're going to continue to do that.
I don't have anything else beyond that.
Oh no, she doesn't.
And in the intervening minutes, the White House briefing has endured a wave of questions to Kareem about the various Democrats.
One Congressman, Lloyd Doggett of Texas, calling on, just calling on him to go ahead and step down.
A number of people, former Congressman Tim Ryan, saying that the bell has tolled, it's time to trade None of us can read minds.
We cannot read minds.
But we can read behaviors.
One of my famed, familiar themes is, none of us can read minds.
We cannot read minds, but we can read behaviors.
We can read what we see.
So it is a really curious time for the leftist media culture
because their instinct, their nature, has been for the longest time to say,
hey, nothing wrong here.
He's great.
I think we even got some of that today earlier from Kareem.
He's wonderful behind closed doors.
We got it from Nancy Pelosi.
I've seen him in the Situation Room.
He actually remains awake.
These attempts to gaslight you further, they're still trying.
But others on the left, including an increasing number in the leftist media, they have seen the writing on the wall.
And it is that they have got to get a new nominee to have any hope of beating Trump.
Your thoughts now at 1-833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA. Mark Davidson for Seb, right back.
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A lot to talk about.
The drumbeat intensifies for Biden.
Corrine Jean-Pierre desperately trying to fend off questions from reporters, actually committing acts of journalism, badgering her about how long can you guys stay alive politically, if not literally.
All kinds of things going on, and let's see what's up with you on the phones.
Let's begin on Line 3 in Ohio, in the Buckeye State.
Mark, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
How are you, sir?
Not too bad.
Hey, a little bit on the lighter side, and I don't mean this as an insult at all, because I know she's gotten a lot of flack, but as a white, conservative, heterosexual male, I think she's cute.
And I think it would be a nice way of reaching across the aisle if NAGA supporters, especially men, would wear shirts Let's say Corinne is cute.
I don't think that would be taken in the way in which we intend.
Of course, it does depend on your intent.
She is indeed a lovely woman, and that may be about all she has going for her.
Well, she actually has a lot going for her.
It's essentially a triple box, woman, black, lesbian, which makes her essentially unfireable, and I think that's been clear as the years have played out.
We're on line one in New York City.
Sean, hey, Mark Davison for Dr. G. How are you, sir?
Doing well, sir.
Mr. Davis, so I think we all collectively on the right experienced what is coined in the German phrase as schadenfreude, which is joy at the humiliation of another, in this case, our chief political enemy, a greater political foe than even our foreign enemies, China and Russia, because he's here and he's destroying the country from within.
You know, I honestly think that Trump should have said that, you know, it's obvious that you're not competent to stand on the stage nor to win the country.
So who exactly is pulling your strings?
Because that person was not elected.
It would have been game, set, match.
Sean, thank you.
I think that would have been an observation worth making.
Maybe not directly to him, because as I say, I think Trump played it exactly right.
He was just aggressive enough in his rhetoric addressing the camera, telling the one line, I don't know what he just said.
I don't think he knows what he just said, rather than looking at him.
And saying, you senile old husk of a man, you're destroying the country.
As I said, a comparison of track records as president, some sharp rhetoric, that's fine, but nobody wanted to see Grandpa beaten up on national television.
I think Trump played it exactly, exactly right.
As for, not to go deep into psychology, but that is a wonderful term with its root in the German, Schadenfreude, literally joy from harm, taking delight in the misfortune of others.
We're not supposed to do that.
It's not a good personal trait.
So here's how I triangulate that.
Am I enjoying this?
You bet I am!
But is it because I have bad personal wishes for anybody?
No, none of this is personal.
It's about my country.
I'm trying to save a country here and I know all of you are with me.
Maybe not all of you.
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But it is a comeuppance that is appropriate.
It is a righteous reckoning when people who have lied so perniciously and so consistently for so long have that lie explode in their faces.
It is a delight to see.
To see the Supreme Court of the United States.
I understand why the left It has its hair on fire.
Because for decades and decades and decades, Roe v. Wade, hey, let's invent a federal right to abort babies.
Sure, why not?
Affirmative action.
Let's turn a blind eye to the fact that it too is racist.
And now, the separation of powers, the proper balance of powers, let's strike a blow for the rule of law.
It helps Trump at the moment, might help a Democrat president in the future, but no, no, no, it helps Trump now.
So these justices are demon spawn.
They are the devil incarnate.
I am enjoying watching the right people get upset.
Is it because I wish them ill or wish them some personal harm?
Absolutely not.
For what they have done to us, for the lies they have told to us, for the harm they have exacted upon the country, this is a reckoning.
This is a righteous chapter of comeuppance and an appropriate reply to what they themselves have done.
All right, let's reply to some folks on the phone, shall we?
We are on line four.
We are in the fine borough of Brooklyn.
Judy Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
How are you?
Hi, Mark.
Thanks for taking the call.
And hi, Dr. G. I hope you're having fun.
So, yeah, Mark, you know, I'm in New York.
You're right.
And I just heard on the news and I have to share this with you because I'm really upset.
Uh, they announced on the news that Rudy Giuliani, former prosecutor, former great mayor of New York, has been disbarred.
They have said he cannot, they took away his license in New York, he cannot practice law in New York anymore on the ground.
He lied about the election being stolen.
Let me tell you something.
He was allowed to investigate and try to find out the truth about the integrity of this election.
And he had so many people coming forward.
And he had so many people under affidavits, which means if they were lying, they could have been gone to jail.
And he had very effective testimonials and everything.
And there he was, trying hard just to get the truth.
He wanted to get it in for 10 days, like for at least 10 days to figure out, you know,
and that's called lying.
That's called lying.
And for that, they're persecuting him the way they've been doing it with Trump.
You are correct.
That's it.
It is the it is the hijacking of what the word lie actually means.
And Judy, thank you.
For those who hadn't heard, she's right.
Rudy was disbarred in the state of New York for lying to court officials, in court filings, etc.
Would you like to know what the overall category of those lies were. The category was, sort of a dual
category, one that the election was rife with fraud and two that the election was stolen from Donald
Trump. Now when you say things like that, that is an assertion that you make. It may or may not
be something that winds up denotatively provable in court.
I said forever and ever, might have said it around here, there was never going to be a day where a judge brought a gavel down and said, you're correct.
I hereby rule that Donald Trump won Arizona by 6,000 votes.
That was never going to happen.
The challenges were worth doing, it was worth doing, but there was That was not going to bear fruit.
The thing that should have happened is the Supreme Court, the one that we admire, the Supreme Court we admire so much right now, had a really bad day some years ago when they gutlessly punted on what was called the Texas Challenge.
Attorney General Ken Paxton, right here in my state, and about 17 other attorneys general, they had a collective filing with the Supreme Court that said, yeah, guys, we understand that you as the Supreme Court Are in the business of determining what is and is not constitutional.
There were election laws and norms and procedures that were absolutely shelled and dashed against the rocks because of COVID panic.
Rendering a lot of these results.
There were votes counted that shouldn't have been and just rendering the entire result in a completely unacceptable fog.
Would you guys like to take a look at the constitutionality of that?
And the Supreme Court said no.
Meaning that every claim that Rudy might make, that you might make, that I might make, that 2020 was rigged, that was filled with fraud, that Trump got screwed, is neither false nor provably true.
It's just out there.
And Rudy's disbarment, Rudy's disbarment, is an outrage.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
Be right back.
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So if indeed, if Joe Biden is removed as the Democrat nominee, or even removed as president.
If you want to, as we get ready to go back to calls, one of the more interesting, I think
this is one of the things Tucker Carlson's been kind of mouthy today on Twitter.
God bless him.
I do love me some Tucker.
And I think one of his narratives was if indeed they know that Biden's got to go and if they
also know that they are hardwired to the woman of color, there's no way to bypass Kamala
I mean, there are other women, there are other non-white people, but nobody who brings both to the table.
And also, it's just going to look like the diss of the century, the back of the hand for the ages.
If they bypass a woman of color vice president in order to install anybody, to say nothing of the white guy Gavin Newsom.
So if indeed they're fused to her, then maybe what they really need to do, this gets a little conspiratorial, but you know what?
Yesterday's conspiracy theories are tomorrow's headlines these days.
So put it all out there and just see what everybody thinks about it.
It goes like this, that what they really need to do with Biden, if he is this infirm, if he is this mentally gone, 25th Amendment, baby.
If we're going to do it, let's do it.
Let's give her a running start by actually being president for a few months before we even get to the election.
What do you think?
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We're in Philadelphia on Line 2.
Nancy, Mark Davis in for Seb.
How are you on this Tuesday?
Very well.
Thank you, Mark.
You know, when you said that Biden agreed to do the interview with Stephanopoulos, I thought you were going to say Biden agreed to take the cognitive test that he was asked whether he would take at the debate.
And by the way, Mark, I really don't understand what Biden and the left are so upset about when it comes to the Supreme Court ruling on presidential immunity.
You know, If Biden agrees with the Sotomayor's dissent, then that means Biden can be king, Biden can be dictator, and he can plan assassinations through the Navy SEALs, right?
What a magnificent point that this was not something done for a Republican president or for a Democrat president.
It was done for all presidents.
Nancy, thank you very, very much.
I guess what Biden would reply if he were lucid enough to do so.
And did you catch his roughly four minute tirade?
The Trump made a violent mob go to the White House and now we've got to figure out whether this guy needs the reins of power again.
It was just awful.
That only he, or people like him, have the restraint, have the character, the solid character, to handle these awesome powers of the presidency.
He started out with a line, clearly, that somebody wrote for him, but it was really pretty good.
That the presidency of the United States is the most powerful job in the world.
It's the most powerful position in the world.
And part of the wisdom of dispatching that office is knowing when to use that power and also knowing when you are constrained from certain things so that you don't abuse that power.
That's a very, very good point.
Only problem from the Biden and all the raging leftist perspectives is Trump hasn't abused anything.
There is nothing he has done that is outside his purview, outside his constitutional purview.
And this gets to the crux.
of why they're all so enormously upset.
And that is that they feel that they have successfully characterized everything that
Trump did with regard to questioning the election result as either a falsehood or a crime or
both.
And what they sense is their ability to do that is somewhat eroding.
So, I'm going to go ahead and close this out.
CNN, one of their onboard hacks, analyst and author named Norm Eisen beating this dictatorship drum.
This was a familiar theme.
Essentially what the Supreme Court majority, again, including terribly conflicted justices who have no business sitting on this case under any standard of judicial ethics, what they've done, Sarah, is rewrite American history.
It goes all the way back to the founding American idea.
We overthrew King George III because we did not want a ruler to have this kind of absolute immunity.
And the Supreme Court has now altered that.
And we have to be honest that we're facing a major party political candidate who has said he wants to be a dictator on day one.
He wants to assert autocratic powers.
They've just given him a license for dictatorship.
That guy's an idiot.
And I don't throw that around haphazardly.
I'm not a flamethrower or name-caller, but that was just so much idiocy that it's hard to keep track of.
But we will.
We'll keep track of a lot of things as we progress.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka.
It's America First on a Tuesday.
Thanks for watching!
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Gorka.
And since it's the pre-July 4th version, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I'm here while Dr. Gorka
enjoys a little cruise activity out there with listeners and co-host Mike Gallagher
on the wonderful, wonderful Patriots Alaska Cruise, leaving us to handle the various things
I could not be more pleased to be here with you.
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Got a little more room for phone calls before this hour comes to an end.
And moving forward, we always will, but now's just good prime time to hop on board
as we talk about, will Biden last?
Apparently there's a little bit of chat room back and forth on whether or not it will be necessary or easy or hard
if the decision comes to shelve Joe Biden to get past Kamala.
There's one argument that says it's impossible.
She's a woman of color.
There's no way in the world the optics will stand up of giving the back of your hand to the woman who was picked because of the pigment in the plumbing, because of her black womanhood.
You're going to jump over her, especially to install a white guy like Gavin Newsom?
No way that happens.
And then Hey, real good.
Thank you, Mark.
earth logic, which is she's terrible.
She has been a useless vice president.
Everybody knows it.
And she would be a horrible candidate.
Everybody knows it.
So wow, what do you do?
What do you do?
I know what I do.
We go to some more of your calls.
We're in Knoxville, Tennessee.
Randy, Mark Davison for Seb.
How are you?
Hey, real good.
Thank you, Mark.
How are you doing?
Doing good.
Good, good.
Hey, you know, people talk about Joe Biden being stupid.
I think that, well, he used to be stupid.
Now he has dementia.
I think the Democrat voters of his, they're the ones who are stupid, Mark.
Well, if we're going to determine what name to call people, I'll join you.
I don't think any of these people are stupid in the halls of power.
They have stupid ideas.
They strike us as stupid because they don't make sense, but they are crazy like a fox.
They're doing what they're doing on absolute purpose.
They desire the power.
They desire the reshaping of America.
They desire to damage whom they wish to damage.
And they're doing it for a reason.
There's a difference between stupid and sinister.
They are not inept.
One of the reasons Obama was a consequential president is he was not incompetent.
He knew what he was doing.
He did it.
It was harmful.
I hated it.
But he knew what he was doing.
I wish these people were all stupid, because stupid people don't tend to achieve what they wish to achieve.
As far as the voters, I don't know.
Show me 100 Biden voters, if there are any left.
And again, I'm totally kidding.
Don't get overconfident.
Don't dwell on this golden moment of accountability and righteous reckoning for these people.
No matter who the Democrats put up, if it's a brand new name and they have struggled on fundraising, if it's Kamala and she remains terrible, please keep one thing in mind.
There are tens of millions of Americans who will walk through fire and crawl on broken glass to prevent Trump from becoming president.
That's why we have to crawl through that same broken glass and walk through those same fires to make sure that we beat them.
At the polls.
That's what we have to do.
Greg Jarrett on Fox.
We just had that crazy Norm Eisen on CNN talking about how the Supreme Court ruling was a license for dictatorship.
Here's Greg Jarrett on Fox talking about how well reasoned the Supreme Court ruling was.
The exaggerated vitriol, this apocalyptic doom from the left, would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.
You're right.
Schumer called it a sad day for democracy.
It's the opposite.
Democracy functions better when there are guardrails, which the high court enunciated, and then he amped up the delirium by claiming, as you point out, Kellyanne, The justices approved insurrection and treason, which of course they didn't, and forgetting that Trump is charged with neither.
In truth, this really was a well-reasoned, common-sense decision.
The Supreme Court did exactly as I said they would.
They extended civil immunity the presidents have had for 42 years to criminal culpability.
Same reasoning.
There's nothing shocking in this.
Immunity for official acts.
No immunity for unofficial acts.
So, you know, the earth is not going to stop spinning on its axes tomorrow, despite the liberal hysteria.
They need to stop the pearl clutching.
So giving credit where credit is due, Mr. Jarrett was on a roll and pivoted to what will happen in Democrat political circles if Biden drops out.
You know, as the Wall Street Journal said today, imagine if Biden had actually picked a competent vice president instead of checking political identity boxes.
That would have changed the equation dramatically.
To your question, though, there are two major problems with a replacement candidate.
In early voting states, there are early ballot deadlines that a replacement would miss.
That is a huge problem.
They'd have to go to court to get that changed.
But the other problem is a monetary one.
You know, Joe Biden is sitting on a $200 million war chest of donations, but under federal campaign finance laws, he is not allowed to transfer that to a replacement candidate.
So, you know, you'd be starting from zero, whoever it is, and I guarantee you if, you know, if he drops out, there is going to be chaos and mayhem on the floor of the Democratic National Convention in August in Chicago.
It's going to make the mayhem out on the streets look tame by comparison.
He beat me to it.
He was talking about chaos and mayhem inside the hall.
We already know there's going to be rioting outside the hall with environmental wackos and the Hamas wing of the party sure to show up for a Democrat party convention there in Chicago.
What could possibly go wrong there in the third week of August?
The clock is ticking faster than a lot of people think, on Mr. Jarrett's point, and with ballot deadlines and just the practicality of replacing Biden, or even if he comes to his senses, I mean, how many more days of drumbeat would there have to be in order for Jill Hey, you know what I'm going to do?
Let's focus a little bit on Jill in order for Jill to change her mind and clear the decks for her husband to go where he really needs to be, whittling on the porch of their beach house in Delaware.
There is a there's a gentleman, you ever heard of Bill Ackman?
I had not.
I've read a couple of Twitter posts from him in the last few days.
He's like a hedge fund billionaire, so good for him.
He knows some things about making money.
That doesn't make you necessarily any more or less politically astute.
But he had a post about Jill and what we should perhaps be thinking about her that seemed worthy of consideration.
So I will offer that to you and offer you the phone number too.
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Mark Davison for Dr. G. He's on the cruise.
with you back in a moment.
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In his final segment of this hour on America First, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
I'm going to lay the groundwork for what this Bill Ackman Twitter post said, because we've got a call on that subject and a bit of breaking news on the Trump sentencing.
Let me do that real quick first.
Judge Marshawn has agreed to a request to change the Trump sentencing.
The sentencing hearing is now delayed until September 18th.
So no more Trump sentencing nine days from now.
No more Trump sentencing.
And then four days later, the convention.
No more, you know, him having to, you know, speak to the convention crowd from jail and all of those strange pieces of imagery.
The Trump sentencing now changed to September 18th.
So there's that.
Okay.
The Bill Ackman point is that Jill Biden is the Wizard of Oz, operating behind the curtain
or maybe not so much behind the curtain.
It's pretty obvious that she's holding the marionette strings with her husband and that
the reason he won't get out is she won't let him.
Not that he necessarily wants to, but she's making all the decisions and she is making
it clear that she does not have particular regard for the country or certainly for the
What she has is a thirst to maintain that First Lady gig because that FLOTUS gig is pretty sweet.
Final couple of minutes here.
We're in Phoenix.
Rick Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka.
How are you, sir?
Hi, Mark.
Thanks for taking my call.
My pleasure.
You kind of answered my question.
I wanted to get your expert input on something that I've been hearing.
And this kind of is a little different from what I called about, but it's still to the point.
I had heard that someone, and I don't know if it's Jill or who, had suggested a possible deal that would get Joe Biden to step down.
But there were three things that were required.
One, total immunity for Joe and the entire family.
Listen, for whatever days Joe has left and remains capable of, you know, working a laptop or with a ghostwriter or something, he'll probably get the book deal, too.
As far as immunity, offered by whom?
And on that point, Enric, thank you.
A, he'll get the library anyway.
If you're president, you get the library.
And listen, for whatever days Joe has left and remains capable of working a laptop or
with a ghostwriter or something, he'll probably get the book deal too.
As far as immunity, offered by whom?
And on that point, Enric, thank you.
Honestly, one of the smartest things Trump could do, and maybe he needs to do this, maybe
he needs to do this at the convention.
to say, you know what?
There are a lot of things I'm going to do as president.
Success will be my retribution, he has always said.
He said, in fact, my heart Is so not geared toward getting back at people or, or bitter revenge or anything like that.
I'll tell you right now, I will issue an unconditional pardon of Joe Biden and heck, maybe even his son for anything they might've done, because all we're going to want to do as a country, all we are going to want to do is forget that you people were ever born.
Make America great again.
Who's with me?
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Thank you, Dr. G. Appreciate it very much, and enjoy that cruise.
I hope he is enjoying whale-watching with listeners as much as I'm enjoying talking with them about what's going on.
And my enjoyment is about to ramp up to an entire other level, because in one of my past incarnations of hanging out here for Seb, I had the great joy of talking to Lord Conrad Black.
And I get to do that again, and I could not be more pleased, especially in view of just the little back-and-forth we've had off the air, because these are amazing times, and they deserve a detailed chronicling.
Lord Black, welcome back, sir.
How are you doing?
I'm doing fine, thanks, Mark, and thank you for having me.
My enormous pleasure.
Author of Trump, A President Like No Other.
You've done so much writing and so much podcasting in that wonderful Scholars and Sense podcast with two other heroes of mine, Bill Bennett and Victor Davis Hanson.
Give us a little clue as to what you guys have been up to.
A pretty interesting manifesto you folks have put together, your joint endorsement of Trump.
What are its main thrusts?
Well, obviously it's a combination of things.
First of all, the actual order of it isn't particularly relevant, so when I say first, it's in the order it comes to my mind.
We feel after extensive research that the main charges against Trump, the charges
that if they were true would disqualify him morally from holding the office, make him an ineligible
person to hold such a great office, that they are unfounded.
There is no doubt that in his commercial career he did some, as our endorsement says, hoxterish
But they weren't illegal.
I mean, some of them led to civil lawsuits, but not prosecutions.
And, you know, the Trump University and those other things were, frankly, a bit tawdry, though also rather amusing.
They were kind of P.T.
Barnum stuff.
But there was nothing fundamentally wrong with them.
I mean, the people want to take his health plan, if they want to pay in order to get
a bunch of vitamins and a urinalysis every quarter, they have a right to do it, you know,
and he has a right to sell it to them.
So all of that, the whole—I mean, those are the more absurd things.
But the charge against him of contesting unreasonably the result of the last election is, in our
There's plenty of reason to believe that the use of harvested ballots with no verification, no scrutinization at all, coming in in big numbers after election day, that it is entirely possible that the election was stolen.
We're talking about millions of ballots in an election where 50,000 flipped ballots in three states would have turned the verdict of the election.
The charge that he had anything to do with Masterminding or encouraging an insurrection on January 6, 2021 is rubbish.
He did not.
He absolutely did not.
And people who conduct insurrections, I mean, serious people, don't do it by having lunatics dressed up as Wagnerian opera characters and nonagenarians swaddled in the American flag, wandering through halls of the capital itis an insurrection abraham lincoln
dealt with an insurrection
and uh...
uh... it we find that uh... the uh... the allegations made against him
uh... of lies are almost always in fact he is reputations of false allegations against him
and and uh... are not lies they are legitimate statements of self-defense
uh... so uh... and serbian speak slightly different
No, no, there we are.
As a matter of fact, it gives me a point of departure because the very meaning of falsehood, the very meaning of lie has been hijacked.
Rudy Giuliani has now been freshly disbarred in New York for telling lies, and the lies were essentially that the election was rife with fraud and that the result was stolen from Donald Trump.
Now, those are bold, edgy assertions.
which certainly have not gone Trump's way in any court of law, but the absence of evidence
is not the evidence of absence.
And so this whole thing, this whole notion, there's been a campaign for just years that
to dare to doubt the result that you so properly criticized is to commit a falsehood when all
it really does is disagree with the left.
And not only that, it is aggravated in this case by the fact that there were 19 lawsuits
against the constitutionality of the electoral changes or vote counting changes that enabled
the vast harvest of ballots and other adjustments of normal voting and vote counting supposedly
to facilitate voting during the COVID pandemic.
All 19 lawsuits, none of them was adjudicated, none, on their merits.
They were all declined to be heard or rejected on process grounds.
And Trump never had his day in court.
I mean, Al Gore, for all any of us know, may have won the 2000 election.
It was so close in Florida.
But at least he got his day in court.
He was rejected, but at least he got a hearing.
Trump did not even get that.
And what you get instead is, as you just said, this wall-to-wall, locked-arm, fanatical rejection
of any tiny injection of doubt about whether it was a fairly conducted election.
And so that was our finding.
Just to conclude my answer to your original question, only on policy matters we found President Trump Preferable and demonstrably preferable, on his record as president, on every major policy area.
Immigration, inflation, taxes, crime, the green, the whole approach to green matters, environment matters, and every significant aspect of foreign policy.
In all of these, his record is superior to Biden's.
We didn't get into the apparent disparity between them in terms of their cognitive abilities.
I think that's something for the voters to decide for themselves.
It's not for us to get into that.
Quite self-evident.
And speaking of the voters, are there enough voters who will share your assessment that it ultimately doesn't really matter so much whether Biden or somebody else is the nominee?
I mean, is Kamala Harris or Gretchen Whitmer going to give us a good border or sensibilities on gender or a functioning economy?
I would think not.
I don't know about the Vice President, but I think Whitmer and a number of the others would be carrying less baggage than Biden and could at least hint that they would do things a bit differently.
But this election, like any election, is in some measure A vote of confidence, or otherwise, in the last four years.
It's mainly a vote on who can do a better job in the next four.
But somebody has to carry the can for what has been a profoundly unsuccessful administration.
And made, in a way, more aggravatingly unsuccessful, I think.
I mean, that's just my own intuition, in the minds of voters by this, again, this ritualistic Recitation, like Victorian elocution school students saying, C-A-T spells cat, that Biden has actually been a very good president.
He hasn't.
He's been completely incompetent.
I mean, they always throw these claims against Trump of being, in some pecuniary matters, dishonest.
I mean, it's a bit rich coming from people who've been running an intercontinental influence peddling operation for the last 20 years.
It is indeed.
Have you and Bill and Vic, or have you in your own head, looked over the list of folks whom Trump might welcome as a running mate in the coming days, and do you have a favorite or two?
Well I can't speak for them on that matter, obviously we're all, everybody and all your listeners think about it, but I think that, see I don't know enough about how Donald Trump gets on personally with these people, but despite the problems, in some ways I think Nikki Haley would be good, because she is accomplished, she would bring the non-Trump Republicans She is a woman and she is...
person of color, and I think in a lot of ways she would be good, if that's just not a starter because of the experience I had before.
It's not.
Your logic is sound.
Your logic is so sound, and yet the revulsion for her, fairly or not, runs so high that I think it would be poison.
But it doesn't mean you don't have a good point.
Right.
So, beyond her, who?
Well, personally, I like Tim Scott, and I think he brings a lot to the party.
I mean, I think You know, I don't like to get into identity politics, but I think an African-American, qualified, well-regarded, accomplished African-American would go a long way to not only killing, but driving a stake through the heart of this outrageous defamation that there's anything racist about Trump.
I've known him for 25 years.
There's no racist bone in his body.
The people of color who have worked for him uniformly love him.
It's funny, as conservatives, we're the ones who are not supposed to care about the pigment or the plumbing, what race or sex anybody is, and you're right, and yet we cannot deny the possible beneficial optics of someone who's either not white or not male running against him.
So let me take the pause back with more another rich segment with Lord Conrad Black.
Can't wait to talk about some things going on What might be going on in the news, the path that lies ahead?
What will the Democrats do?
What will the conventions yield?
What will the headlines of the next few weeks be?
Lord Black and I return in a moment on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Mark Davis filling in.
we will continue.
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It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but not today, not tomorrow.
Seb returns after America turns 248, looking very vigorous for its age.
We are with Lord Conrad Black.
Mark Davis filling in for Dr. Gorka.
I want to recreate, if I can, first of all, let me send everybody to the wonderful New York Sun piece that you wrote that illuminates the pieces of logic you were giving us earlier about what the truths are of some of the persecution, prosecutions, and the pursuits of Trump.
I want to recreate as best we can a little off-air moment we had because a caller last hour confessed to a certain what he called schadenfreude, the German term of taking joy in the misfortune of others.
And you very properly said, that's not what this is.
We are not vindictively celebrating someone else's misfortune.
This seems a righteous comeuppance against people who have horribly, deeply wronged us.
Lord Black?
I'm sorry, were you asking?
I thought you were going to... No, no, I was indeed.
Because you had a wonderful, you had a delicious 60 seconds.
I misunderstood what you were saying.
No, no, no problem at all.
The point I was making was that...
In Schadenfreude, and we all engage in it sometimes, but it is basically, as you say, taking pleasure in the misfortune of others, but it's usually in the context of you're really neutral to this person.
It's not someone, whoever is going through the misfortune, it's not someone that you are rejoicing in it because You're just out of spite.
I mean, you have some, you know, it's just pleasure in other people's misfortune in a neutral way.
In this case, and you and I discussed this, it is a righteous matter.
These people who've taken some terrible setbacks in the last week, you know, the debacle and the debate and the court decision on immunity and so on.
uh... bad polls and you know distinction within the party no sort of a little
the whole thing it's a true tottering downward movement they invited this
we aren't taking enjoy in the in the in the abstract misfortune of other people
We are expressing, including your caller earlier, I venture, a pleasure in the fact that people
who have lied, misled the country, defamed their chief opponent, tried to imprison him,
assaulted the Constitution, and attempted to stigmatize his lies, every dissent that
their chief opponent has made from their illegal and dishonest attempts to destroy him.
We are noting the justice, the fairness, and in all respects, the right outcome when these
people have to really take it on the chin as they have.
That's not schadenfreude.
That's pleasure in seeing that while justice proverbially grinds slowly, it does get there
in the end.
It does indeed.
And speaking of that justice, and speaking of a Supreme Court that is now so viciously maligned by those who accuse Trump of undermining democracy, I'm looking right here at a New York congressman named Joe Morrell who tweets, I will introduce a constitutional amendment to reverse the Supreme Court's harmful decision and ensure that no president is above the law.
This amendment will do what the Supreme Court failed to do, prioritize our democracy.
Now, if I run into somebody at a bar who has this level of constitutional illiteracy, it's not so dispiriting.
But for members of Congress and actual dissenting Supreme Court members to not grasp the separation of powers, it is a bummer.
Well, not only that, but this guy should have read the actual decision, and the Chief Justice was very careful.
He was sending down to other courts a lot of matters, he's merely upholding the rights of a co-equal branch, and he is avoiding a situation that would, in effect, reduce the President to a puppet, subject to rebuke and even removal from office, at the pleasure of an adequate number of Members of the Congress at any time.
And I mean, I was one of those, I'm afraid I'm quite venerable, and I was one of those who wrote at the time of Watergate that if we proceeded to impeach Mr. Nixon, who was an outstanding president, and of whom there is even today, 50 years later, no evidence that he himself committed any illegality.
some of his people did, but not that he did.
Quite quickly, the system would become addicted to the temptations of impeachment.
And we saw it.
The impeachment of Bill Clinton was nonsense.
I mean, it was a tawdry thing he was doing.
But if we're going to impeach people for that, there'd be a damn few people in public office.
And the two impeachments of Trump were simply outrageous.
The second one taken to have effect after he'd left the office they were impeaching
But, I mean, they were just absurd.
And now we are getting to the point where any legal corrective to the excessive and dishonest and unconstitutional partisanship of this administration, one of their minions in the Congress gets up and says, we're now going to emasculate the Supreme Court.
Well, I mean, this has just got to stop.
And by the way, I think it has stopped.
I don't think this guy will get 10 votes to support that.
But that's not the point.
I mean, what he claims to regard as the overreaching of the Supreme Court is, in fact, to anyone who examines Uh, the, uh, the relevant constitutional texts and precedents and has an IQ and at least double figures is it is obvious that the Supreme Court is reestablishing the balance that Madison and the other authors of the Constitution always intended to have between the legislative, executive and judicial branches.
In our last couple of minutes, with your global wisdom, let's also revisit something we did
during the break. In looking at the various VP candidates, a lot of conservative enthusiasm
for J.D. Vance as he seems to be weary of the concept of forever war. You find a little bit
alarming his dismissiveness, his seeming ambivalence about who wins that war. Give voice to that,
because a whole lot, I think it's possible for people to not be interested in a quagmire lasting
10 years, but also not interested in handing Putin a third of Ukraine. Yeah.
Well, a third, maybe, but not all of it.
But, look, I'm pro-Vance.
I was glad he was elected, and I admired him before he was elected, and in almost all respects, I think he's a good man.
As a vice presidential candidate, I think he'd be eminently qualified, but since Trump
is going to win Ohio anyway, you might want to go to someone from a state where it might
make a difference, you know?
But the concern that you refer to is, I have found him from the start skeptical about Ukraine.
It's wars that go on ten years.
That's one thing if the Americans have boots on the ground there.
But the United States hasn't taken one casualty in Ukraine.
Well, not yet, but if these people continue to prattle that it is a vital interest, they will send our sons and daughters to die there.
They will!
With respect, Mark, I don't think so.
Just bear in mind, first of all, it is not the case that the United States is making an inordinate contribution.
Europeans have actually come to the party pretty well, and even Canada has.
The rest of us collectively have contributed more money than the United States.
We're all doing it together.
So it isn't a freeloading job.
Secondly, 95% of the American contribution comes straight back to the American defense production industry.
So it's not just money out of the windows.
And by all means, let's end the war.
I don't want to send any NATO forces in there from the U.S.
or any other country.
And here I fault this administration.
I think they did quite a good job helping to get a united alliance, but they have no exit plan.
Indeed so.
I am so proud and so glad to talk to you, Conrad Black.
Make sure you visit with him on the Scholars Intense podcast with Victor Davis Hanson and Bill Bennett.
It's always great.
Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
I'll be right back.
Thanks for watching!
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I I just feel smarter.
There's something about the Lord Black effect.
My vocabulary may have improved.
I don't know.
He's just awesome.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
As always, let's hop to calls.
And that, of course, is 833-33-GORKA.
833-33-GORKA.
Let's do a little telephone action.
Let's start in New Jersey.
Line 2, John.
Mark Davison for Seb.
How are you?
Hey, Mark.
How's everything going today?
Doing great.
Thank you.
Awesome.
Well, I called to make two points really quickly.
First of all, I just want to give you a little bit of praise.
Really appreciate you talking about reasonableness.
You know, it really comes down to just exposing these people and what they're actually doing.
Going crazy is definitely not the way to go about doing it.
First point.
Second point, I think Donald Trump missed a moment in Afghanistan, or in the debate regarding Afghanistan.
You know, we lost over $50 billion worth of ordnance and equipment.
And come on, you just definitely fell into the hands of ISIS or Hezbollah, who has a relationship with Iran.
It wouldn't be a surprise to me if there were absolutely American weapons that were used in the October 7th attack, and I think you should have talked about it.
Well, it's funny, because when you see a debate performance like Trump's, and it is as good as it was, even I found myself thinking, are there things that might have even gone better?
I feel like I'm getting greedy, because he was so good, and he was so measured, and are there other points that might have been made?
John, thank you, appreciate it very much.
I have a debate question for everybody.
First of all, a statement, then a question.
We all know, I mean, we absolutely all know that there will be no second Trump-Biden debate, right?
We know this like we know our own names.
The question I have for you is if there is a replacement of Biden.
If it winds up being Trump and Gretchen Whitmer.
If it winds up being Trump and Kamala.
Maybe that's a slightly different question, but my ultimate destination is does Trump Oh, a sudden panicked addition to the ticket.
Instant elevation to debate status.
I mean, there's an argument that says maybe so, because after all, hey, in fact, there may be a particular hunger for a Trump versus Kamala.
I just stop in my own tracks and drool at the deliciousness of that.
Trump and Gretchen Whitmer, Trump and Gavin Newsom, Trump and whoever it might be.
What is the better play for Trump?
Would it be to absolutely, to absolutely debate such a person?
Or to say, you know what?
Everybody knows who I am.
Nobody knows who you are.
So, no.
So, your thoughts there.
833-33-GORKA.
We are in California on Line 4.
And Chris, hey, Mark Davison for Seb.
How are you?
Hi, Mark.
How you doing?
Doing good.
So, two quick points.
One, he should have asked Biden, if you didn't know that the laptop was legit, then Hunter lied to you.
And if you did know, then you lied to us.
But my more pressing point is that Kareem Jean-Pierre has been saying, well, we've seen his record for the last three and a half years.
But what we're doing now, the election, isn't about his record.
It's about the future.
And he has a progressive debilitating disease, and he's not going to be better tomorrow than he was today.
Have they had a shrink get a baseline on him?
There's no time tunnel.
No time tunnel available to bring us back the Biden of 10 or 20 years ago.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
Every election featuring an incumbent is a referendum on who the incumbent is.
So yes, it is a referendum on the last three and a half, the last four years by the time we get to election day.
But the gentleman is right.
In this particular case, it's not just about how Biden has performed in the past term, but how he would perform in the next.
And this goes right to the crux of why the Democrat Party is in a free fall of panic.
Because they know that... and why did it take the debate for this to become clear?
Did everyone really believe that the glazed moment on that stage in Los Angeles was a cheap fake?
Did everyone really believe that him wandering off the stage in Italy with the paratroopers dropping out of the sky was a cheap fake?
Did everyone really believe that these liars, these scoundrels who told us he's fine, He's brilliant behind closed doors.
Did everyone really believe them?
Were we that gullible?
Were we that stupid as a people?
And sadly, I think the answer is we probably were.
Sometimes it takes something.
Sometimes you got to kick somebody in the head.
Sometimes you need just a brick To the noggin, and that's what the debate was.
Millions of people, a ton of people, I know I tuned in to say, hey, how great can Trump be and will Biden stay awake?
Democrats went in there and said, hey, here's a possibility for Biden to dispel all those concerns about him.
Ha!
Not only did that not happen, he confirmed everything that truth-telling people have been saying about him for years.
That's why we are where we are.
And where we'll be in a moment is back on the phones with you.
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It is America First on this Tuesday, second day of July 2024.
Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka calls aplenty.
Let's dive back.
Multitopic environment, which I always enjoy.
We're in Columbus, Ohio.
Ted, hey, Mark Davison for Dr. G. Welcome.
And how are you?
Doing good.
How are you doing, Mark?
Doing great.
Thank you.
Hey, I just wanted to call in.
I know you were talking about who would be a good nominee for vice president.
And I know Nikki Haley would love to have that job, and I think she'd be a good person for it.
But also, there's two other people, and I know they're probably not even considering it, or at least I haven't heard that, but John Neely Kennedy out of Louisiana and Newt Gingrich.
Oh, sir.
Okay, first of all, your taste for intellect and talent is superb.
Senator Kennedy is one of my absolute favorite senators, and Newt has been a hero to me for decades, but that's kind of the point.
Newt is 81.
Speaking of people who are 81, Newt is as old as... Listen, you know what?
Proving that the number doesn't really mean anything.
Newt and Biden are the same age.
John Kennedy is 72.
It's the same reason I'm going to be Dr. Ben Carson.
God bless him.
We can't come in America with two septuagenarians.
We just can't.
And the other thing we just can't do is put somebody on the ticket who hates Trump's guts.
That's Nikki Haley.
She's a forever war priestess.
And so if it...
Ah, it's just, it's just not a good look.
It's not a good mix.
It's just not.
Appreciate you, though.
Love you.
We are in Buffalo.
Ruth, hey, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
How are you, ma'am?
Nice to have you.
Thank you very much.
And first of all, I enjoy listening to you.
You're really, really great.
So I've got to I've got to look you up on the Internet.
But anyway, I had a question and it was I've heard twice, I think, today.
Something called the Fitzgerald decision by, I presume, the Supreme Court regarding immunity.
I don't know where it was or when it was.
Could you please explain it to me?
Sure.
The source material there, early 80s, a Nixon versus Fitzgerald that talks about what the minimum of immunity is.
At minimum, it says, when you were on hold, I looked for it, The president must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would pose no dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the executive branch.
What that means is this was the delineation that Chief Justice Roberts was very very precise about when he said look what we're going to be doing here is we are going to be making clear that no one is above the law That we're not going to establish some free-for-all where somebody can be a dictator or where somebody actually can go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody.
That's not something that we're going to do.
The president must be immune from prosecution for an official act unless the government can show that applying a criminal prohibition to that act would not pose dangers of intrusion on the authority and the functions of the presidency.
That is it.
This was the law.
This was the case yesterday.
It's the case today.
It'll be the case tomorrow.
Thank you, man.
I appreciate it very, very much.
We're in Illinois, Line 2.
Joe?
Hi.
Mark Davison for Seb.
How are you?
Hey, Mark.
Yeah.
Well, good show.
Hi.
So, a couple days ago, United Airlines flight attendant, you know, Got a, uh, a mom with 60 month old kicked off the plane because she refused to address him by her, his surname.
Or a pronoun.
Actually it was the preferred pronoun.
The United has names and pronouns on the flight attendants now and the woman apparently said thank you sir to a flight attendant identifying as a woman It is unclear, as this made a little bubble with me, such things always do, unclear whether that was her problem or somebody got mouthy about how many carry-on bags she had.
I don't know.
I'm always suspicious of things like this if somebody is kicked off for exactly the reason someone says.
But the bottom line is, no pronouns on the flight attendant name tags, please.
And the woman apparently profusely apologized.
Can we please have some grace?
in some of these situations.
I'd kind of like to see that too.
Yeah.
All right.
Appreciate it.
Thank you.
We're in Philadelphia, Phil.
Hey, Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
How are you?
Hey, Mark, thanks for taking the call.
Your thoughts here?
Sure.
The Supreme Court has sliced and diced up sovereign immunity.
Why isn't there a prosecutor, any state or local or county prosecutor, charging Biden up with negligible homicide for killing Americans with that open border?
There is no sovereign immunity at all.
We didn't even need a Supreme Court decision for murder.
This guy is murdering Americans every day.
He should be on a wanted poster down in Texas.
Yeah, that's glib, and I don't disagree with the passion behind it, but there's a way that things like this usually go, and that tends not to be it.
Improper stewardship over the border as president doesn't tend to have the same legal effect.
We could talk all day about the blood being on Biden's hands.
And I do.
By the way, I absolutely do.
It tends not to be adjudicated that way as if the blood is literally on the hands of somebody who has actually just stabbed you in the street.
So I get it.
I hear you.
But it's going to be a political consequence and not a legal consequence for the president.
And so what will that consequence be?
What will the situation be when the Democrats figure out Who they're going to put up against Donald Trump, and they've got to figure this out in, I was going to say the coming, what is indeed the coming weeks, but among the many, many stories that are flitting around out there, and there's so much buzz, and there's so much speculation, and so many people just, you know, you're doing a lot of this.
So my advice to you is pay attention to all of it, you know, read all the tweets, see
all the clips, see what everybody's saying, see what makes sense to you and what doesn't,
and then ultimately just see what sprouts legs.
You know, I mean, the one that we just pulled out of some orifice last hour where somebody
was saying that, uh, that it may well be that they pull the 25th amendment on Biden so that
Kamala Harris can already go ahead and get a head start and be president at least for
a couple of months, but for, so she's an actual incumbent running against Trump rather than
just a hastily arranged challenger.
But in some of these, uh, the, the, these, these conspiracy theories that happen, uh,
let me, in fact, uh, that'll take longer than the 30 or 40 seconds I have to, to wax fully
on, on where that all goes.
When you have so many things that are coming in the near term, and so many things that may or may not happen, and things that are instantly speculative, put a pin in them, see what seems likely to happen, and then kind of, as I often say, let the game come to you.
All right.
Thanks for letting the show come to you.
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I did my show this morning and it was filled with a whole lot of speculation of how today would go, specifically the Corrine Jean-Pierre press briefing.
Oh my heavens, it was as bad as you could have possibly envisioned.
Actual reporters who have been in the habit For years now of running a protection racket for Biden, now openly targeting him because they, in their leftist hearts, know that their fate, that their quest, their desire, their dream of beating Trump, that the hopes for that may lie in whomever the party arrives at after they find a way to sideline Biden.
That was the end of the idea that I had under clumsy construction there before we broke.
Yeah, I wanted to comment about President Trump engaging in any more debates with anyone.
I think that would be a mistake.
He's won.
in for Dr. Gorka. How are you? Welcome.
Yeah, I'm doing fine. How about you?
Good, thank you.
Yeah, I wanted to comment about President Trump engaging in any more debates with anyone.
I think that would be a mistake. He's won. He's won big. He has no challenger out there.
Biden's never going to be a challenger.
Biden is not mentally fit to challenge President Trump anymore.
All President Trump has to do is run on his record and campaign.
He doesn't have to debate.
Even if someone new comes into the field to replace Biden, he does not have to debate anyone anymore.
He's set up now to win the election.
There should be no mistakes.
Campaign, hit the state, and you're taken.
I think it's a strong point.
Two questions.
Number one, are you concerned that the second Trump debate against Gavin Newsom or Kamala Harris or Gretchen Whitmer might not go as well?
No, I don't want the left.
To elaborate on something small and try and turn it into something big.
I understand.
Fair point.
So question number two, no matter who it is, because I kind of get your point.
I can see agreeing with you.
There's something very Trumpian about saying, who are you?
What have you been?
The nominee for five minutes?
I'm not going to debate you.
But there's also something delicious about the imagery of Trump saying, I don't care who it is, whoever the nominee is, OK, I'll debate him and I'll beat him.
And he probably would.
Yeah, I'm not doubting that.
I'm looking at what could happen if he did make a slight mistake.
He's in a position now, he's basically got the election won.
Just run a smart campaign, visit the states, and you're going to win it.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it, Ron.
And best to everybody in Pennsylvania.
All right.
No matter what state you are in and where you may be listening or watching, it is great to be with you.
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The Voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
Thank you, Seb, appreciate it.
Here we are, one more hour and then one more day.
July 4th Eve, also known as July 3rd, also known as Wednesday, on what is a shortened work week for many.
And whatever you're up to today, thanks for spending some of your time with us in our final hour here.
One of the great immigration voices, Todd Bensman, will join us here in our very next segment for a couple of segments, but there's still plenty of room.
For you and me to spend a little time together at 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752, and also to take a look at sort of where we find ourselves.
The multiple themes, if you're just joining us, are will they give Biden the hook?
Will someone make clear to him that he simply must withdraw himself?
Or will some set of gears begin to grind whereby the Democrat Party removes him against his will?
We have continuing Trump VP derby selections and predictions, but also on lists of people.
I want to spend some time this hour on, I think out of the Hill, there was sort of a story featuring seven possible Biden replacements.
Obviously Kamala, Obviously Gavin Newsom.
Beyond that, you've probably heard some Gretchen Whitmer buzz, but the four names after that are interesting and curious and maybe there's somebody that you'd like to add to that.
It's kind of funny, and in adding to that, it's like, who do you want to run against?
You know, who do you not want to run against?
So all these and more are ripe for the taking.
833-33-GORKA.
Over on NBC, Steve Kornacki, NBC and MSNBC are of course petri dishes, cesspools of Trump
hatred.
It's a great day for the people of the United States.
This isn't just his day.
It's a great day for the people of the United States.
This isn't just his political opponents saying he should get out of the race.
This is worry within his own party, concern within his own party.
45% of Democrats saying that Biden should step aside.
And obviously that performance, I think, just reinforcing and maybe even increasing in terms of its potency.
Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.
One of the main concerns we've seen over and over when it comes to Biden and that is his
age.
This is a Gallup poll just before the debate and already going into the debate, 67% of
voters said they considered Biden too old to be president.
That's 30 points higher than the number for Donald Trump.
And just take a look at the other oldest nominees in history.
John McCain in 2008, Dole in 96, Reagan in both big names.
Got it, got it, got it, got it, got it.
No idea what happened.
Hi there, guys.
So anyway, so there's Steve Kornacki with his with his share of panic.
And obviously a lot of people are it's you've heard about the old fable of the emperor, the emperor with no clothes.
You know what the source material is for that?
The emperor.
was so powerful that he's in this parade, and he's on horseback, and he's buck naked.
But anybody who says, hey, why isn't the emperor wearing any clothes?
He can't be shot down and say, hey, shut up.
What are you doing?
Obviously, the emperor has clothes.
Shh, don't talk about the emperor being naked.
Emperor has clothes.
And it's an ancient fable that is ultimately about gaslighting.
And when you take a look at some of what has been done to all of us, this is the kind of really shocking thing that you'd like to think was not really possible, but it is.
You'd like to think it's not really common, but it has been.
And ultimately what you end up with are people, there are voters who become jaded, they become They become mistrustful.
The media becomes an institution that even despite its past liberal biases was something that you used to be able to think that maybe you could trust.
But the era of Walter Cronkite is over.
Walter Cronkite was not exactly the straight shooter everybody said he was either.
But this is the mess that the media have created for themselves and thus for us.
This is the mess that the Democratic Party has created for themselves and thus for the country in elevating and protecting a
nominee, an incumbent and a nominee, as infirm as Biden is.
Nonetheless, I'm going to hop down to a couple of the other cuts.
Next up is going to be number seven.
Adam Kinzinger is one of these folks from this curious, quaint, quirky treehouse of
Trump-hating Republicans.
If there's even a shred of conservatism left in Adam Kinzinger, and like Liz Cheney, I
don't believe there is.
But here's the Kinzinger take on what constitutes the Democrats' best foot forward.
You know, and from my perspective, I haven't said, you know, that there needs to be any
I've just said, look, I'm not a Democrat to the Democrats.
Just make sure you put your strongest foot forward.
And obviously right now it's Joe Biden.
So you need to find out where that weakness is and what happened on the debate.
You know, what is it that people are seeing and how do you, how do you counter?
You have to find out where that weakness is and counter it?
The weakness is him.
The weakness is Joe Biden.
The weakness is his complete inability to be up to this task.
All these people, whether it's Hunter ostensibly in that big Camp David meeting saying, hey, we got to get dad back out there.
We got to make sure he's out there offering bold initiatives and Interacting with voters.
Karine Jean-Pierre today said, hey, you've seen him.
He loves interacting with the people.
Sure, because he thinks the people are going to bring him ice cream.
The guy has no idea what's going on around him.
This is unsustainable.
So here we go.
Here's the possible Biden replacements.
The buzz list, if you will.
Let's see what we think about this.
Obviously, all – it's like a flowchart, and I love flowcharts – all roads lead through Kamala.
Must they take her, or is there a way to sideline her?
I just – it's funny, I've spent a long time saying, I don't know how you get rid of Biden, I don't know how they sideline Biden, but then the debate seems to have made that suddenly plausible.
Now, so the next block of the flowchart is, is there a way to get past the woman of color?
Is there any way to deliver the back of the Democrat Party's hand, and I guess it'd be seen as the back of Biden's hand, to the woman who was chosen for those very reasons, woman of color?
I mean, there are people who are other possibilities who are not white or not male, but she ticks both boxes, and that's a big player in today's Democrat Party.
So you either can or you cannot get past Kamala Harris.
If you can't, well then, it's her.
It's Trump and Kamala.
How do you think that would go?
It is probably too glib to say.
Trump in a landslide, even though that's certainly possible because she's terrible.
But so many elections are run on emotion and people's guts and how they respond and what
energizes and motivates them.
And the notion of the possibility of that first woman president is really motivating,
especially to a lot of Democrats.
And then you throw in the whole woman of color thing.
I know we had a man of color, how that worked out for everybody.
There would be, I know this sounds like.
Completely counterintuitive language, but again, it's Democrats I'm talking about.
There would be immeasurable excitement about her.
Not Michelle Obama style excitement, but she ain't running.
She wants no part of this.
But Kamala Harris would bring an appreciable voter excitement that doesn't exist with Biden and doesn't exist with almost any other name.
So don't, don't sneeze at this Kamala thing.
We'd have to fight and fight hard to beat her.
I pray that we could.
Gavin Newsom, white guy, we're done here.
Unless we're not, because he probably is the most politically gifted of the folks who are on the buzz list.
But in that Hannity debate with Gavin Newsom and Ron DeSantis, wasn't he pretty easily put against the ropes?
Wasn't he pretty easy to fluster?
You know, so I don't know.
There may be, as I think I said yesterday, a lot of sizzle, but not a lot of steak there.
Gretchen Whitmer.
Is Michigan knocking it out of the park?
Or is everybody saying, wow, I really need to get to Michigan because of Gretchen Whitmer?
They said about, they say it about my state of Texas and our governor, Greg Abbott.
They say it about Florida and their governor, Ron DeSantis.
The other governor being mentioned right nearby, Is J.B.
Pritzker of Illinois the state that contains Chicago?
Really?
I don't think so.
Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania.
This one, this one makes some sense.
It makes some sense for Democrats.
It makes some sense, objectively, as a conservative, as a proud partisan interested in beating whomever the Democratic Party coughs up.
There is something kind of likable about Josh Shapiro, and he has admiration for the way he's handled some of the Pennsylvania highway stuff.
For the same reason, I'll throw somebody else in there, and that's Maryland Governor Wes Moore and his handling of the bridge issue.
It's been pretty great.
Andy Beshear in Kentucky, another likable figure, not a wild-eyed, bug-eyed leftist, and for some reason, maybe just because I don't know why, Secretary Pete, formerly Mayor Pete.
Some people think he might need to be President Pete.
I don't think so.
Soundly unimpressive at every turn.
So there's a little small list of the possible Biden replacements, or like the Trump VP pick, maybe it'll be somebody we're not even talking about.
Here's somebody we will talk to, Todd Bensman, on some red-hot immigration issues, and that is next on America First with Dr. Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Thanks for being here.
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I have wondered for many, many years of doing this for a living, just how much Voters care about borders.
How much people care about borders.
We say we do.
In the conservative talk radio world, which is my birthing chamber for decades and decades, we've always had these conversations that were sort of inside a bubble.
But there is something about now.
There is something about... You know what?
Honestly, it's kind of like Biden's cognitive decline.
When you put it right in front of your face, there's just no Denying it.
Well, our border has been put right in front of America's face.
And it's funny, because even some Trump-skeptical constituencies, turns out that even women think we kind of need a functioning border.
Turns out even young people think we need a functioning border.
Turns out even, oh here you go, many Hispanics believe we need a functioning border.
And this is what led to a delicious moment in the Thursday night debate.
All he had to do is leave it.
He decided to open up our border, open up our country to people that are from prisons, people that are from mental institutions, insane asylum, terrorists.
We have the largest number of terrorists coming into our country right now.
All terrorists, all over the world, not just in South America, all over the world.
They come from the Middle East, everywhere, all over the world.
They're pouring in.
And this guy just left it open.
And he didn't need legislation, because I didn't have legislation.
I said, close the border.
We had the safest border in history.
In that final couple of months of my presidency, we had, according to Border Patrol, who is great, and by the way, who endorsed me for president, but I won't say that, but they endorsed me for president.
Brandon, just speak to him.
But look, we had the safest border in history.
Now we have the worst border in history.
There's never been anything like it.
And people are dying all over the place, including the people that are coming up in caravans.
Two things happen when you revisit some of the debate cuts.
The Biden stuff gets worse, and the Trump stuff just gets better.
Well, it can't get better than talking to one of our favorite fellows, literally a fellow, at the Center for Immigration Studies.
Mr. Todd Bensman is here.
Todd, welcome.
How you doing?
Doing quite well, thank you.
Appreciate you having me.
Great to have you.
So you watched when the debate, I feel like people watch the debate and they say, come to my issue that is sort of my universe.
As you went into the debate, you knew that at some point borders would come up.
How do you think the topic went for both of these gentlemen?
Well, the first thing I noticed was that Trump never let a single round just about go by without mentioning it.
All the way from the beginning to the very end, because he understands that the American people, in large majorities, absolutely hate what happened at the border, what the Biden administration did down there.
The polls all show it.
And so I think that he hit all of the key points.
He hit national security.
He hit criminality, all the kind of crime coming through over the border, the sheer numbers.
I think he overflated the number a little bit, but it could be as high as what he said.
The Biden response to this was almost non-existent.
He couldn't really respond to it, or he didn't really respond to it.
He did try to make a claim that the numbers are down substantially now by about 40%.
He's not wrong about that.
The problem is that the greatest damage has already been done for the first three years when everybody saw the Biden administration deny that anything was happening there at all.
For three long years of millions and millions of people coming across, the president wouldn't even go down there for the first year and a half, two years of this thing.
Kamala Harris, I think, went down once, two years into the thing.
Nobody would talk about it.
And the press was compliant and also just parroted that, nothing to see down there, folks.
How valuable has it been?
Because there's been conservative media coverage of a porous border.
I think it's been joined by Biden-friendly media grudgingly covering our porous border.
Has it been something about the expanded coverage, the more eyeballs on more images of people just pouring across to say nothing of the crime wave that has resulted?
Has there been something about the coverage that's had more gross impressions Yes.
Here's what happened.
It wasn't that the border got worse or less worse in the last year.
Here's what happened. It wasn't that the border got worse or less worse in the last year. It's that
the pipeline of humanity backed up finally.
It took a few years and burst and splattered over every major American city there is.
I happen to be in Denver right now, which is one of the biggest impacted cities.
I'm not here to cover immigration.
I'm here for something else.
But an hour ago, I was at an intersection, and it reminded me of being in Juarez, where all these Venezuelan window washers are running around all through the lines of cars offering unwanted window washing services and basically begging for money.
It's just like what you see down there, what I've always seen down there.
Americans are seeing that in the heartland, in places like Denver and Chicago and Boston.
And you can't not see this if you're the media, too.
People are reading the coverage now on the interior, the Chicago Tribune, the Boston Herald and Uh, the Washington Times and in all these major cities, and I think that that's what happened.
The pipeline burst all over everybody in the interior, and now it's just obvious.
So Biden's performance was admittedly dreadful on Thursday night.
His answer is not good.
But let's replace him, as many people are wanting to do, and let's stick a Gavin Newsom in there.
Let's make the border czar herself, Kamala Harris, in there.
JB Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer, are any of their answers going to get any better?
There's not a Democrat to be found who's particularly sensible on this issue.
So, in a way, is Trump sort of running against the issue, irrespective of who the candidate is that he faces?
Yeah, he's running on the issue.
The Democrats are in lockstep, or have always been for the last four or five years now, about illegal immigration at the border.
Let it happen.
We're a nation of immigrants.
They never differentiate between legal or illegal immigrants.
We're just a nation of immigrants which covers illegal immigration.
So we know where they're coming from.
But I do think that any new Democratic candidate that would come out now is seeing what happened in Europe, in the electoral outcomes there, The European populations are absolutely furious and sick of mass illegal immigration.
And now all these right-wing conservative, we're going to do something about immigration parties, are rising to power and winning.
That's going to happen in the United States.
That's why the Biden administration is acting now, too little too late.
But they are acting because they just want the numbers to go down before November 5th.
I saw a post from you with less than a minute left real quick because that's exactly where I want to go.
I saw a post from you that refers to my video from Europe.
Are you fresh back from Europe?
Did you see some of the source material of where some of those concerns are sprouting?
Yeah, in November, December, I spent 30 days in nine different countries.
Then sit tight on that.
I want to let's go to the raw data of that.
I want to know what you found, because there's a global lesson here on why countries need borders.
Todd Bensman of the Center for Immigration Studies with us when we return.
and Mark Davison for Seb, be right back.
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america first with dr sebastian gorka Seb's back next week.
We're together this week and that means yesterday, today and tomorrow as we head into the July 4th holiday.
Mark Davis from 660 AM The Answer in Dallas, Fort Worth and for Seb joined by Todd Bensman, Center for Immigration
Studies.
Let's do three things in rapid succession.
You had mentioned Europe, their lessons to be found.
It turns out we're not the only country alarmed that porous borders are a problem.
And you noted all these, the media coverage is funny, these terrible right-wing regimes that are suddenly enjoying
success because their leaders are the only ones who are serious
about borders in various European nations.
What have you seen?
That's right.
30 days in nine different countries all along the Balkan route.
The Balkan route is absolutely flush with humanity.
Hundreds of thousands pouring through a liberal government of Slovenia.
They open their borders and they're pouring through that way into the EU.
And the Europeans are sick and tired of it.
And we're seeing them vote.
We saw Le Pen's party, you know, cut big wins in France.
We see German right-wing parties rise on the rise there.
It's all over this issue.
There's not really any other issue bigger than this one.
And it's because of what's happening with the EU as a whole and its ability and willingness to just shut down its external borders.
to this sort of thing.
And that is foreshadowing of our election, I believe.
That's going to be a Trump win right there if I was a betting man.
Closer to home, give us some analysis on what's happened in the last couple of days with regard to Panama.
The United States is going to pay for flights and other help to Panama to remove migrants under an agreement signed Monday.
This has to do with this treacherous Darien Gap area.
Tell us why that's important.
That's right, that's a bottleneck geopolitical area for mass migration from 170 different countries around the world.
Normally 7,000 a year for 20 years come through there, less than 10,000, maybe 20,000 in a bad year.
Then we saw, with Biden, 250,000 in its first year, then 350,000, then 550,000 last year.
And this year, 800,000 are projected to come through there.
That is bad for Biden's campaign.
And so they are going down there to try to help the new Panamanian president, Molina, close it down and shut that 800,000 off.
Until November, at least until November 5th.
Remember, all of this stuff is good till November.
If Trump wins, though, they've put in place great infrastructure for him to just take right over and expand and enhance everything that they've done, that they're doing for the Biden campaign right now.
By the way, it's for the Biden campaign.
They're behind this, not the administration.
What happens in the government centers of Mexico, Panama, Nicaragua, Uruguay, the OTMs, other than Mexicans, as they are called, many of whom migrate forward in indistinguishable crowds.
If Trump wins, what happens across the leadership structures of all these other countries?
Well, Trump's going to strong arm them immediately.
That's what he did in his first term.
All of those transit countries are going to get something that they don't want if they don't comply with Trump's new policies.
He's going to expect them to put police in the roads, to shut down that mass migration, to expand their detention centers.
But most importantly, he's going to be strong-arming diplomatically countries around the world that won't take their people back.
into taking their people back without a question, taking them back or else.
I think that we're going to see a lot of successful repatriations from those countries like Panama, Costa Rica, maybe Guatemala, that it's not in their interest to pay for it.
We might even pay for it, but they're going to have to allow it.
About a minute, minute and a half amid these occasional stories you'll find, and one is too many, of the latest murder committed by an illegal immigrant, and someone will instantly, predictably show up and say, hey, the crime rate for these immigrants, even the illegal immigrants, it's the only crime many of them ever commit, that their crime rate is better than actually Native Americans, the people who are already here.
Unpack that stat for me in about 60 seconds, if you can.
That's right.
That is probably the greatest intellectual fraud in immigration studies history.
This comparison of American citizen crime to illegal alien crime, that's comparing rocks to apples, has nothing to do with one another, should never be compared at all.
100% of all illegal alien crime is unnecessary and preventable, whereas we're stuck with the Americans for better or worse.
We just have to deal with them.
They're not comparable.
Superbly put, thank you, and concisely put.
Todd Bensman, Center for Immigration Studies.
Continued safe travels to you, sir, and thank you.
It's always great to have you here on America First.
Mark Davis in for SAB.
Just a few minutes of segments left.
We'll grab a line at 833-33-GORKA.
Multi-topic day.
We'll see what's on your mind.
and I'll share a little more of what's in my head too when we continue.
Thank you.
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And how are you?
Hi, great program.
I want to know how people can consider Kamala Harris for any position at all when she was appointed to be the star of immigration and never went down there and really has done no kind of a job there.
So how can we entrust her with the presidency?
That's the first question.
The second one is, Maybe you're not old enough, but I am, to remember when there was the Gore Bush presidency race.
I'm 66, so yes I do.
Okay, so at one time Gore was pronounced the president until Florida gave in and had recounts Okay, here's what's really important, really important, and maybe we should have taken these one at a time.
At no point was Gore declared the winner in Florida except by NBC News.
Only the media and their quaint projections, at no point was Al Gore, at no point was Al Gore ever adjudicated by any authority, any election authority or any court to have won Florida.
Very important, but continue.
That's very important information, but at any rate, the recount in Florida was very
important for the Bush to get confirmed as president at that time.
And so I say any kind of recount is really important to give some credibility to.
Well, OK, let's take a look at that.
I mean, how long are we going to have recount after recount after recount?
They had exhausted all of the recount windows that were permissible by law, and the Florida Supreme Court tried to rewrite election law from the bench, so the United States Supreme Court had to restrain them from doing so, and that's what they properly constitutionally did.
The exact right thing happened in Bush v. Gore.
I think you've got one more thing.
Let's back up to Kamala and take care of that.
How can she be held in high regard by anybody?
She's held in fairly high regard by liberals, but even honest liberals know that she ain't no great shakes and not a great candidate, and they all probably secretly want somebody other than her to be Biden's replacement.
All right, complete the trifecta.
What was the third thing I think you had?
On her record, that's it, which is no record whatsoever.
So there, that should be pointed out.
It's not that she's a woman or any of the other things that she has for going for herself, you know.
She was a senator.
I mean, she has held important offices, but has she done anything particularly impressive with them?
Not so much.
Was there a third thing before I scoot?
Yeah, the disappointment with Giuliani having his license removed and the threat of having it done to John Eastman here in California and it is kind of a really a squashing of someone's right to speak out and say whatever they want You are 100% correct.
It is a demonization and a criminalization of somebody's right to express an opinion that maybe 2020 was not as pure as the driven snow.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate it very, very much.
We are right here in Texas on Line 3.
Kent, Mark Davis in for Seb.
How are you?
Hey, Mark.
I've been listening to you since like the 1980s when I first came to Texas, and I knew back then that you were destined for the nationwide stage, so congratulations on that.
You're so kind.
Appreciate it.
Appreciate it.
On this Democratic thing, I think that the Democratic kingmakers will, if they can get rid of Biden, they will get rid of Kamala too.
The only thing they care about is trying to find somebody who can win.
And I think neither Newsom nor Whitmer will be their choice because they both have long track records of extreme political policies that will make them unelectable.
Well, let's spend a second on that, because I think you're right about that.
But doesn't Biden have a long track record of extreme, doesn't today's Democrat voter want a pretty long track record of what you and I would consider liberal policies?
I don't know about you, but I spend a lot of time, I watch like The Five on Fox and see Harold Ford, an actual reasonable Democrat.
I find the occasional reasonable Democrat every once in a while with whom I only agree with, maybe disagree with on half the stuff.
the Democrats run, people like that. It's because their voter base, they want liberalism
as much as our voter base wants conservatism. So I don't know who would make sense to you.
Anybody, anybody occur to you?
Well, when Biden was running, they did portray him as a moderate, somebody who could be a
uniter rather than a divider. So I think they will do is they will, they will do what they
did with Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. They'll pick somebody who is a relative unknown, who
does have a little bit of a track record in politics, but will be easy for them to portray
as a moderate.
And they'll pick that.
I think that's some wisdom.
I'll tell you what, and maybe just to pick a name, he's sort of making the buzz list.
Governor Andy Beshear of Kentucky might be that kind of person.
Thank you for the analysis.
Appreciate it very much.
All right, speaking of analysis, a couple of voices that have been on the TV box over the last, I guess, since we were last together.
Chuck Rosenberg, this is a video cut, a Chuck Rosenberg on MSNBC.
More lamentations about the SCOTUS decision.
It shows how tough it's going to be for them to nail Trump as they all dream of doing.
I'm not surprised by any of this.
These things take a long time.
And if we're looking to the courts for a perfect solution, you're frankly not going to get one, Mika.
That is not the place to go for a perfect solution.
Mr. Trump is a unique and uniquely vile character.
And the notion that we can fill in all of the gaps in our laws to account for an actor like him, I think is foolhardy.
And this illustrates, right, the difficulty of holding a man like Mr. Trump accountable in the courts of law.
It's really hard to do.
It's almost impossible when he's a former president, and this opinion makes that clear.
He's uniquely vile.
I think we can do this.
If I have to interrupt him, I will.
Speaking of people—ah, it's too long.
Even Bill Barr, who doesn't like Trump so much, approved of the ruling.
Here's a shorter one.
Jeffrey Toobin—wow, he still has a job—saying the J6 case will not, in fact, be tried.
Cut nine.
Go.
Well, it's a big, big victory for Donald Trump.
It means that the January 6th case, the case before Judge Chutkan in the District of Columbia, is at a minimum delayed until after the election, but I think will never be tried.
Because if you look at how Chief Justice Roberts framed the issue, he said that all official conduct Um, is not only off limits for prosecution, but there can't even be any evidence presented about official conduct.
And speaking of delays, Trump sentencing, breaking news today, delayed to September 18th.
Final segment when we come back, Mark Davison for said.
Thank you.
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welcome back to America first with Mark Davis.
Thank you Dr. G and we all, I tend, I try not to speak for an entire audience because it's really presumptuous but I'm going to do it in the spirit of one thing.
All of us, the guy hosting the show today and all of us listening hope that Dr. Gorka and his broadcast buddy Mike Gallagher are having a safe and wonderful and beautiful time on the Patriots Alaska cruise from which he will return That's next week, Mimi.
You and I get to spend tomorrow together.
Gee, what will happen?
I can't wait to find out.
I mentioned Bill Barr.
Didn't have time before the clock intervened.
Bill Barr doesn't like Trump very much anymore at all, but still maintains clarity on the Supreme Court ruling.
I think this was a very sensible decision that I think most lawyers familiar with this area expected, which is this went up to the court in a very abstract posture, which was the government's very broad assertion there was no immunity whatsoever.
What the court's saying here is no.
There's absolute immunity when he's acting directly under the Constitution, carrying out a function under the Constitution.
There is presumptive immunity when he performs an official act.
And the government has the burden of showing that it can prosecute him for that without impairing the executive function.
And finally, there's no immunity for unofficial or private acts.
And I think the practical effect of this is that the district court is going to do what it really should have done at the beginning, which the government really should have had it do, which is do the analysis so the facts are going up to the Supreme Court.
So as a practical matter, there's not going to be a trial of this case before the election.
These are the things that drive the leftists crazy.
Usually, if somebody sort of falls out of love with Trump or has a falling out with him, they can be reliably harvested to trash him at every turn.
Yet there's Bill Barr, not a Trump fan, but a big legal brain on Trump's side in this particular case.
Think about Alan Dershowitz, who I still think is going to be a Trump voter here in a few months.
We'll find out.
but was a Hillary voter forever and has been a Democrat for a really long time,
but recognizes that Trump is constitutionally right in so many of these court cases.
And that just drives the left crazy.
I've visited often in these last couple of days here about what it looks like and feels like when the right people are
upset.
So when MSNBC, when that morning show, when Morning Joe actually has a U in it, M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G, when black armbands are on Joe and Mika because things just aren't going their way, that's how you know that good things are happening.
When the White House Press Corps badgers Corrine Jean-Pierre, as they did today, about, you know, was Biden on drugs?
Did they perform some type of neurological examination on him after the debate, like he was a quarterback that had just gotten clocked with a concussion at Soldier Field?
Wow!
These are very, very interesting and challenging times.
So remember, God is in control and we are in control come election day.
We're in control of what we do.
So be energized and don't ever get fat and lazy and rest on the laurels.
Don't get overconfident.
Let's play hard and play smart and let's get together tomorrow on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
Mark Davis filling in.
Follow me on Twitter at Mark Davis.
Might have a little back and forth with you before the day's even over.
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