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Mark Davis LIVE: Trump winning, Dems melting down amid debate failure and SCOTUS ruling

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	And I'm out.
	you You're not going to get me out of here.
	I'm going to get you.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker and this is America First with our very special guest, the man
	who's going to be talking to you about the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
	I'm Sebastian Gawker and this is America First with our very special guest host, the voice
	of Dallas, Mark Davis.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	And I hope you're having a wonderful time with Brother Gallagher and all the listeners aboard the Alaska Cruise.
	It is apparently living up to all expectations.
	I've received photographs from the cruise, and apparently a good time is being had by all.
	My challenge is to somehow approximate those kinds of thrills here on the radio and Salem News Channel television environments for the next, count them, three days.
	Hello, everybody.
	Mark Davis here in 102-degree Dallas-Fort Worth, but everywhere in America is hot.
	The topics are hot.
	We have many hot, burning issues to discuss, and so we're glad to do so.
	You know the phone number, 1-833.
	33 Gorka, 833-334-6752.
	Let's start right off the bat.
	I have questions for you.
	We have great guests coming up today to analyze some of what's going on.
	We're almost at a critical mass of the ability to cram developments into one talk show, but I think we're going to be able to give it a try.
	Coming off of last week, And the debate, of course, was Thursday night.
	We do all remember the debate, don't we?
	Although there are people who would like you to forget it, you cannot unsee or unhear what happened on that debate stage on Thursday night.
	And those who say they are surprised, have you seen the testimony of those who say they were shocked?
	Shocked!
	At what they saw.
	He's so good behind closed doors.
	He's sharp as a tack.
	Ordinarily, how in the world did that happen?
	It happened because they have lied to you.
	The media have lied to you.
	The Biden inside...
	Operation has lied to you that he's doing okay because at any given moment over any given week, any given month, any given stretch of months, you're getting the best he can do.
	When there is a cloud of question of cognitive decline over you, they're going to give you as much rest As much B-12 shots, as many Red Bulls as necessary to make sure he is looking and sounding his best.
	That means Italy, wandering off.
	That means the stage in Los Angeles, glazed as can be.
	These were under optimal, best-they-can-do circumstances, which means that the reality is far worse.
	And we got a glimpse of that, didn't we, on Thursday night.
	So big thing number one is debate aftermath and the head-snapping speed with which a lot of Biden loyalists And a lot of his fan base just turned because they have affection for him the way all political bases have a certain affection for whoever's at the top of the ticket, whoever happens to be president.
	But for some, they've realized that they have an election that is slipping away by the day.
	So that's one of the first things we'll talk about.
	Big thing number one, and that is post-debate, what is going to happen?
	Two things can be true at the same time.
	It seems that his presidency and this campaign are both stone-cold unsustainable.
	How much longer can this go on?
	I mean, look at him.
	Look what we saw.
	This cannot go on.
	That makes sense, right?
	But the second thing that's true at the same time is how exactly do you get rid of him?
	I mean, how exactly is surely there have been people of saying he will not be the nominee.
	He will not be the nominee. And it's not like I've argued with that. I've said,
	OK, it sure looks like you shouldn't be the nominee. But how precisely is it somebody else?
	He steps aside voluntarily. Did that did that when he was screaming at that crowd
	in Raleigh, North Carolina, over the weekend after the debate? I don't debate as well as I
	I used to, but I know how to tell the truth.
	Do you?
	Do you?
	We may recount the litany of lies told by Biden in that debate, many of the same sort that he's been telling for three and a half years.
	Does it look like Jill is going to change her mind?
	Is she running the country now for all intents and purposes?
	I mean, because somebody is.
	It ain't him.
	So does this look like a White House?
	Does it look like a campaign that's about to step into the strike zone and take one for the team?
	Does this look like a team?
	That looks like it's ready to give in, throw in the towel?
	I don't think so.
	So the only other way is for the Democrats to somehow, and this is where you begin to realize they are in fact Democrats, for them to somehow rig, that is the verb of the year, isn't it?
	Verb of our time, to rig their own convention.
	In riot-torn Chicago in August, they will gather to anoint a nominee.
	It has for a long time been presumably Biden, and now maybe not so much.
	And so if he doesn't, if he's not willing to go, this will be an act of metaphoric political violence.
	They are going to have to give him the hook.
	They are going to have to Uh, prod him from a nomination that he has rightfully earned.
	He's got just under 4,000 delegates.
	Why does he have them?
	Because he won all the primaries.
	Why did he win all the primaries?
	Because the Democrat Party shut down competition.
	They told RFK Jr., ha ha, go away, young man.
	Young man.
	Looks like a young man.
	Uh, so, welcome, Democrats.
	You got what you wished for.
	An uncontested primary.
	And here's your guy.
	How's that working out for you?
	So, debate aftermath.
	is big topic number one, big thing number one that we can all talk about at 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
	Big thing number two that's the sort of the running narrative is the Trump VP pick.
	I mean, the sentencing is 10 days away.
	I guess that's another big thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	Sentencing anticipation.
	But three days after the sentencing, the convention gets underway in Milwaukee.
	So at some point in here, we're going to find out who the running mate is.
	And a lot of people noticed on my local show in DFW this morning on 660 AM, the answer had a couple of callers say, I think, I think I got a clue.
	I think he was giving us a clue.
	Listen, those who know aren't talking.
	Those who are talking don't know.
	I don't know.
	Seb probably has some sort of inside poop on this.
	And maybe Trump has whispered it to others.
	But until he reveals it to us, it's probably safe to believe almost nothing and just say,
	hey, just let the game come to me and let's see who Trump picks.
	But it is true that there is, I think, only one guy who caught love during the debate,
	and that was Tim Scott.
	Now, was it to show love to Tim Scott?
	Was that a wink-wink that, hey, I'm going to pick Tim Scott?
	Or, more likely, was it the fact that Tim Scott is conservative and black and an ally of Trump on the opportunity zones and economic development and things of that nature?
	Was it more a strategy designed to attract Black voters who might have been watching and say, you know what, this Trump guy seems like he's a lot more with it than Biden is, and maybe I'm considering him.
	So all of those things, all of those things are in sort of the running talk show mix.
	They're in the narrative.
	And then this morning, the Supreme Court.
	The Supreme Court ruled in what is a dominating victory for President Trump that the basis of much of the Jack Smith January 6th case is destroyed.
	What happened was the Supreme Court ruled That Trump may claim immunity from criminal prosecution for some of the actions he took as president.
	This will almost certainly delay a trial on the federal election subversion charges.
	The decision was six to three.
	The liberals were in dissent.
	This rejects a decision from a federal appeals court in February that found that Trump enjoyed no immunity For the alleged crimes he committed to challenge the 2020 election results.
	And today's decision says presidents have immunity for official acts, but not all acts are official and the lower courts must decide which acts qualify for each.
	Trump called the decision a big win and that is indeed exactly what it is.
	It is a massive win.
	It's a win judicially.
	It is a win legally.
	It is a win Optically, and the optics of this have been fascinating to watch on leftist media.
	I've been trolling through some CNN, some MSNBC, seeing what these folks say, and these days on MSNBC, Morning Joe, stick a U in there, M-O-U-R-N-I-N-G, because they are indeed in mourning after the debate and now, and the reactions have been so shrill.
	I listened to a couple of folks bandying this back and forth On MSNBC, and they said this will be so shocking that there will actually be Republicans who are deciding to vote for Biden now because they're so shocked at the political leanings of the court and the political motivations of the court.
	The court is actually acting constitutionally, not politically, and that's what has them in shock.
	Much to explore with you.
	1-833-33-GORKA.
	Mark Davison for Seb.
	Glad you are here.
	You are welcome.
	It is a new month, it is a new week, and a new opportunity as we stretch toward America's 248th birthday, right?
	I have that right?
	Boy, the semi sesquicentennial, whatever that long word is for whatever 250 means, that means the bicentennial is almost a half century ago.
	Ah yes, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka, helping everyone feel old.
	Well, we are fit as a fiddle and filled with youthful energy as we get ready to take some of your calls amid these fascinating times.
	Debate aftermath.
	Who's going to hang with Biden and who's going to bail on him?
	For us, for the conservatives, for the Republicans, for the Trump base, the fascinating question is, who's easier to beat?
	You take a look at Biden and you go, please, that's 40 states, isn't it?
	Beware overconfidence in the following way as we go to your calls.
	833-33-GORKA.
	Know that even... that...
	There are people whose hatred for Trump runs so deep that they would vote for Biden's disembodied
	head if they had to.
	So it's always a good idea when the polls are going our way.
	Trump's doing great.
	He was fantastic in the debate.
	And Biden was.
	Well, you saw it.
	But do not get overconfident because for reasons I think some callers are about to explain, because there is some modicum of cheating that we will still have to combat.
	And so one of the things I'm asking is, is What do you want?
	I mean, if the idea is winning in November, I've said for a long time, keep Biden.
	I want Biden there.
	What kind of chaos will happen?
	Because if they go to Kamala, is she harder to beat, easier to beat?
	She's a disaster.
	Honest Democrats don't want her.
	But do you leapfrog Kamala and go to Gavin Newsom?
	Can you leapfrog the woman of color and install a white man?
	I would think not.
	So all of this is active and available for your perusal.
	833-33-GORKA.
	Let's start off in Los Angeles.
	And Don, Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka on America First.
	Very nice to have you.
	Hello.
	Oh, Mark, great talking to you.
	Great job filling in.
	You're like the utility man, putting out fires everywhere.
	I am indeed.
	I'm everywhere.
	I'm everywhere.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, you know, just in passing on the debate, it's like, it was like watching Nosferatu, Night of the Living Dead.
	I mean, I could smell the burning formaldehyde.
	It's so sad.
	You know, so yeah, Mr. Trump, he was very, very restrained because that's all he had to be, you know, just let Biden implode.
	And I'm loving that.
	I have the schadenfreude, you know, for watching what I think that's the right word.
	Schadenfreude is the term refers to taking joy in the misfortune of others.
	Yes, I'm most loving watching the Democrats mellow out in panic.
	But what I really want to call about and get your take is, all these attacks on the Supreme Court, and specifically on the conservative justices, is, number one, I thought it's illegal to have demonstrations outside the homes of Supreme Court justices, you know, when they're deciding a case.
	You can do it to a politician, but not to a justice.
	But the Justice Department just isn't, or the Injustice Department of Merritt Garland, just isn't enforcing it.
	And also, I'd like to hear the actual details of why Mr. Alito's wife, Justice Alito's wife, put up the flag in the first place.
	What were the insults and the yard signs?
	I want to know, because, you know, we only get this sliver of... Yes, I do, because we only get... Let me ask, is there a...
	Is there a transcript of that neighborhood brouhaha that would make you say, hey, great idea to put the flag upside down in front of the house?
	Is there?
	I just like to know.
	I'd like to know what the sign said.
	If it's just curiosity, then sure.
	I share that kind of basic curiosity as well.
	Generally speaking, I'm a kind of a flag purist.
	Yes, the country is in distress, absolutely, but don't jack with a flag.
	Don't be hanging flags upside down.
	Don, thank you.
	Appreciate it very much.
	We will next travel to Minnesota.
	And Dan, that is you.
	Mark Davison for Seb on America First.
	How are you doing?
	I'm good, Mark.
	How are you?
	Good.
	I'm calling because I'm very concerned about the, what, 10 to 20 illegal aliens that have invaded this country.
	And all they have to do in some states, and I don't know what the number is, but all they have to do in some states is lie.
	And they can, you know, apply to vote in the election.
	And there's no, you know, we don't have any check on that.
	Is there any way the Supreme Court can be called into emergency session to require That everybody prove that they're a citizen before they're able to cast a vote, whether it's mail-in or, you know, in person?
	Two things.
	One comforting, one not.
	The semi-comforting one is that it should be impossible for recently arrived illegal aliens to vote.
	What it is, is just hard.
	And it should be impossible.
	It's not the easiest thing in the world.
	It's easier in some states and harder in others.
	How many Illegal aliens will vote in this election.
	I don't know.
	One is too many.
	Most states are interested in having some type of hedge against that.
	Some states more interested.
	Other states less interested.
	Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
	It's funny because the states that are most interested in doing something about that tend to be like Texas, Florida, etc., the red states anyway.
	If there's less of a safety rail, a guardrail, and you're New York's, you're California's, and thus and such, that is something that is daunting.
	But New York and California are states that Trump's not going to win anyway.
	One would think.
	So I don't know if that's kind of a wash.
	What you've described is something we absolutely should be deeply concerned about.
	Now, your Supreme Court question.
	The Supreme Court doesn't just wake up and go into emergency session or answer the phone and go, oh, we're needed.
	A case has to make its way.
	It has to climb the judicial rungs of the ladder in order to have something actionable.
	So somebody would have to sue.
	I would think it would be a wonderful idea for some attorneys general, the proper plural in some states, Maybe not even in the states where it's happening because we're all affected by slipshod elections that maybe there is something my own Attorney General here in Texas Ken Paxton may be the guy to bring action so that there could be some court case that makes this something that states have to do and I would hope that that is something that could happen.
	That work for you?
	Oh, well, I do appreciate your logic reason and it makes a lot of sense.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate you.
	Appreciate you.
	So, and again, I walk through life and walk through shows and walk through, you know, election seasons like this trying to navigate Not being over-concerned versus under-concerned.
	I don't want to worry too much, but I don't want to be naive.
	I don't want to be dismissive about what lies ahead.
	So since there's no numerical, magical way to discern how much cheating there will be, how many illegals will actually be able to snake through the system and cast a vote, presumably for Biden, how pervasive will that be?
	The thing that we do have control over is what our turnout is.
	How many of us show up?
	You know, the old saying is, if it ain't close, they can't cheat.
	Of course they can, and they will.
	But the idea, the numerical game from our outpost, is to show up with such passion, to show up in such numbers, that their cheating is rendered irrelevant.
	If we have a landslide force of enthusiasm going, and I don't know, I certainly feel
	one burning in my gut, and I bet you do too, and I bet we have tens of millions of others
	who feel the same way, then maybe this is something we can do where in the particularly
	valuable swing states, your Arizona, your Pennsylvania, your Michigan, that even if
	there is some type of mischief and skullduggery, it will be rendered irrelevant by the passion
	of our numbers.
	So, no way dispirited, no way downtrodden.
	Vote and bring 20 people with you.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka on America First!
	It's Monday, it's July 1st.
	Very glad you're here.
	We'll be right back.
	you you
	So, I'm going to go ahead and get my laptop. And I'm going to go ahead and start recording.
	It is America First!
	Mark Davidson for Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Coming up, one of the hardest-working, most valuable journalists in the business, Mr. John Solomon will be in for his Monday visit.
	Hey, just because Seb's not here doesn't mean we don't keep the segments going that are of great value.
	Of great value to us every day, of course, your call is 833-33-GORKA.
	We are in Arizona.
	Dave, welcome.
	Mark Davidson for Seb.
	Nice to have you.
	Happy Monday.
	Welcome.
	I appreciate the opportunity, Mr. Davis.
	Ultra-mega-dittos from State 48, sir.
	Thank you.
	Are you on social media?
	Are you on Getter by chance?
	Because some of us can't get back on Twix because we're true patriots and they don't want to let us dig up our old site.
	Well, I'm on Truth Social.
	For anybody that does remain on Twitter, if they wish, it's at Mark Davis.
	I've got a Facebook page for The Mark Davis Show, etc.
	So you can stay in touch in a variety of ways.
	Not on Getter by chance, though.
	I may have.
	I don't know.
	There were a lot of the alternatives that were coming and going.
	Love Truth Social.
	Love Getter.
	The lion's share of the dialogue and the debate, thank you, Elon Musk, happens through Twitter.
	So that's where I spend most of my time.
	All right.
	What's on your mind?
	Well, I'll still look for you out on Truth because, again, we can't get back out on Twitter.
	What is on your mind?
	Yeah, so my point is that the institutions have completely failed we, the people.
	And this was my pinned tweet back in June of 2020 on Flag Day, actually, that the institutions have failed us.
	And a lot of people are talking about all the political consequences of the failed debate.
	My point is this.
	It was Obama 4.0 that we're living through now because the institutions didn't roll over when President Trump was in office and we've seen that they have failed all of us as patriots.
	There's still January 6 prisoners, Peter Navarro, Steve Bannon went to federal prison today.
	I think the concern really has to be for the country as a whole, and I've spoken about this for years.
	I mean, where are we on an international platform when they know that the person at the head of our executive branch is a geriatric patient that should be getting tapioca pudding three times a day, but instead is in charge of our whole federal system?
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it, Dave.
	In fact, this is one of the things that I was Keeping track of a lot of shows and a lot of reaction and a lot of things that people were saying on various platforms.
	And one of them that was particularly important was, before we even get to whether it's a good idea for the Democrats to keep him as a candidate, is it a good idea for him to be president at all from China to North Korea to various Islamist theocracies, what are they thinking when they see a president who is this infirm, who is in this level of decline?
	And that is why some of the media reactions, some of the media outlets who have been spending so much time propping him up, And defending him and lying to you and lying to me, lying to all of us about, oh, he's fine, he's okay, he's great behind closed doors, don't sweat it, it was just a bad night.
	Oh, we're getting all kinds of things.
	It was just, it was one bad night.
	Was that the Kamala Harris quote?
	One night in June.
	The election will not be decided by one night in June.
	She's correct about that.
	It will be several days, several nights, strung together, where this will absolutely happen again.
	I don't necessarily mean on a debate stage, because I don't think we're going to see that happen again.
	If somebody asked me, is there going to be another debate in September?
	Maybe Trump and whoever they replaced Biden with Because there's no way that a Trump-Biden debate will happen again.
	And so, again, the head-snapping 180 of what the media culture did and said, almost with full black armband.
	This is Cut Eleven.
	Here's Nicole Wallace on what she was hearing almost as soon as they walked off the debate stage.
	And there is a conversation happening inside Biden's circle and certainly a much more frank conversation happening inside the Democratic coalition.
	And I think there will be stories of a lot of concern about the performance tonight.
	And I think what... When you say conversations happening, what do you mean?
	I think people are talking, I think the conversations range from whether he should be in this race tomorrow morning to what was wrong with him.
	I mean, he has a cold.
	He has a cold.
	He has a cold.
	You know, I don't know about you, but I hate when I get one of those colds that gives me dementia.
	I just, that just really just makes it a tough week, doesn't it?
	So, you know, not to be flippant, this is very, very serious.
	It's very serious for the country.
	And I guess all those foreign leaders whom I invoked a moment ago in seeing this level of infirmity from the president, they have to know what we all know, and that is he's not running the country.
	He's not running the campaign.
	He's not running anything.
	Whoever is, however, has a vested interest in staying in power.
	So as we sit there and think that there are people around Joe Biden saying, boy, sir, you've been a great president.
	Your service to the country is the stuff of legend.
	You really ought to get out.
	Who's going to do that if their future and their paychecks and their stature is tied to his continuing in office?
	Good luck with that.
	All right, John Solomon up next.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka on America First.
	we will continue.
	Thank you.
	you you
	you Thank you.
	It is a Monday.
	It is the first of July and all kinds of things are happening.
	Topics crackling around our heads here on America First with Dr. Gorka.
	The swift among you will notice that I am not, in fact, Dr. Gorka.
	Dr. Gorka is on the listener cruise of Mike Gallagher and a gaggle, I believe that's the collective noun, a gaggle of happy listeners up there counting whales in the Alaska coastline.
	I have no idea what they're doing, but I know what we're doing.
	We're talking hot topics and we're doing various things about the news of the day, and there's plenty.
	I'm a big believer in having a lot of sources and reading a lot of things and, you know, casting a wide net in what you read and what you get your news from.
	But if there's one place you need to be, it's in the world of John Solomon.
	On Twitter, at jsolomonreports and that wonderful justthenews.com.
	John Solomon, welcome, sir.
	How you doing?
	Yeah, good to be with you.
	Happy Monday.
	Great to be with you and a happy Monday it is indeed.
	I have a number of stories to bring up that we've been talking about already, post-debate meltdowns, etc, etc.
	But you have a sort of a brand new wrinkle on a fascinating, as if there's more, what is the story on the recently uncovered Hunter Biden email and what is it and why does it matter?
	It turns out there's a lot more like 3.39 million new pages more of Hunter Biden influence peddling and foreign business dealing.
	The FBI collected these documents in 2016.
	Congress recently only got them a few weeks ago from Devin Archer, one of Hunter Biden's business associates.
	They have a lot of stuff that wasn't on the Hunter Biden laptop or hasn't been made part of the impeachment inquiry to date.
	Today we have the earliest known instance in which Hunter Biden commits to paper the idea, hey, I can make money off my dad.
	He and his he and Devin Archer are talking back in 2011, three years before China and Burisma and Romania, Russia and Kazakhstan.
	And said, hey, we're about to be introduced by a famous Democratic figure to ten of the wealthiest Greek businessmen in the world.
	And you know what?
	They consider my father a saint because of his policy position defending the island of Cyprus.
	We should go cash in.
	It's a remarkable email because it literally shows how Hunter Biden's brain was working when he wasn't filtering, when he wasn't talking and putting it on email.
	He clearly understands that the position his father take is going to make the people he's about to pitch much more receptive to giving the Biden family money.
	Remarkable email.
	It's been in the FBI's possession for eight years.
	Only in the last few weeks did Congress get it.
	Lots more evidence like this coming out of these documents.
	We're going through them day and night.
	3.39 million pages.
	But the FBI knew way before the American public that Hunter Biden had a really good racket trading on his father's name and seeking to make millions for his family.
	And for those who are, we all have family members, friends who might ask us, why does this matter?
	Hunter's laptop, why does it matter?
	Tell, give everybody in a short paragraph why it matters.
	Yeah, it's real simple.
	He couldn't have done it without Joe Biden's complicity, right?
	Joe Biden is meeting with these business partners at the Cafe Milano and at the Naval Observatory.
	He's getting on phone calls.
	The calling card that Hunter Biden and his business partners were using was Joe Biden.
	They traded on Joe Biden's name.
	Joe Biden facilitated them.
	It was a corrupt scheme.
	We're not supposed to make money off the jobs that we have in our government.
	When you serve in government, you give up that right, but not the Biden family.
	They had a nice operation going, and Joe was a big part of it, something he denied when he ran for election in 2020.
	Let us pivot from Joe's son to Joe's wife.
	Jill Biden is just out there with all the strength, all the determination, her drive alone.
	You know, Joe, you answered every question like, wow, you ate all your peas.
	She does not give off the vibe.
	The family does not give off the vibe as an entity that looks like they're ready to throw in the towel.
	I think that's right.
	I think Joe Biden probably stays in, based on my own reporting, talking to people inside and outside the White House, inside the Biden orbit.
	And Jill Biden is a driving force for that.
	She comes off as more coherent, more able to string a sentence together without mumbling or staring or wandering off into the distance.
	So, she's the perfect frontwoman for this job, which is to reassure the country.
	Don't look at my husband!
	Look at me!
	I'm fine!
	We're gonna be fine.
	Don't worry about that debate.
	It was just one bad night.
	Now, in order to believe that, you gotta dismiss what happened at the G7.
	You have to dismiss.
	What happened at the Hollywood fundraiser recently where Joe Biden was lost.
	You got to dismiss the bunny rabbit episode, the Easter bunny rabbit.
	There's so many different things you have to dismiss, but Joe Biden is right now the chief of damage control and made that clear with a magazine spread again this week that we're not leaving the race, meaning her and her husband.
	Indeed.
	All right, with about a couple of minutes remaining, something else again from the justthenews.com website and the Jay Solomon Reports Twitter feed.
	Two of my favorite folks in Congress, one of them may be Trump's running mate, I don't know, Elise Stefanik and Jim Banks have introduced a bill aimed at preventing these encampments and the mobs at universities, no matter how exercised they may get about a particular issue.
	What would that bill do and, you know, how does it work?
	Yeah, it's really important.
	And Elise Stefanik has really, with Jim Banks and a few others, really been on this from the very beginning.
	They saw what was going on, which was the universities were basically capitulating to these rowdy protesters, allowing a certain percentage of their students to be intimidated, threatened, feel uncomfortable coming to school just so that these protesters could have their anti-Israel sentiment served.
	And they decided, you know what?
	We have the power of the purse.
	We have the power of legislation.
	We're going to make sure that if colleges don't do it on their own, they're legally required.
	If they don't choose it for the right moral reasons, for the right safety reasons, they'll choose it because their pocketbook will be harmed.
	And today they put new legislation out there that ties the university's ability to get federal funds and to get other benefits from the federal government to their ability to keep students safe and to prevent these encampments and other things that occurred during the last few weeks of the
	college school year back in April and May.
	It's sad that Congress has to come to this point, that the universities themselves don't have the
	common sense or the ethical sense to do it, but Congress seems to do it. I think this bill will
	be very popular. Almost certainly will get through the Congress in the next couple of months.
	About a little over a minute, with all the feelers you have and all the reporting acumen you have,
	is Trump's VP pick an impenetrable story whereby those who know aren't talking and
	those who are talking don't know? Yeah, and it may very well be that
	the president himself hasn't decided yet.
	He sometimes makes last minute decisions.
	He's got a short list.
	I don't think there's any surprises to it.
	But I think he'll make the decision and announce it very quickly.
	But I think he's got an idea, but he probably hasn't signed off on it yet.
	And therefore, no one really knows.
	And that's what keeps Donald Trump, allowing Donald Trump to keep us all guessing.
	He's the master of keeping us in suspense.
	And he's the P.T.
	Barnum of modern politics.
	He knows how to fill a room.
	And how to control the news cycle, and I think that's a big part of what's going on right now.
	It absolutely is.
	I mean, I don't use the term political theater dismissively, because it is political, it is theater, and it's incredibly enjoyable.
	As is all your exploits there, John Solomon.
	Thank you so much.
	Great.
	Glad to be in for your segment.
	Appreciate it very much.
	Jay Solomon reports there on Twitter and justthenews.com when you want.
	Hey, justthenews.com.
	All right, so here in Seb's world, phone number is 833-33-GORKA, 833-33-GORKA.
	Why don't you grab a line there as we take a look at the various things that we've been talking about with John Solomon.
	and various other things that are yet to come up.
	Some more reaction to the Supreme Court victory, and it absolutely was a victory.
	It was precisely what Trump wanted in terms of what you can and can't do in an official capacity as president.
	Mark Davison for Seb, we'll wrap up this hour when we come back.
	Thanks for tuning in.
	We'll see you next time.
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	Thank you doctor.
	Appreciate it very very much as we wrap up this hour.
	There's a phenomenon I like to refer to as the right people are upset.
	When the right people are upset, it means that surely something good is happening.
	Just witness today, and we'll get into some of this in our subsequent hours, the degree of leftist media meltdown over the Supreme Court actually doing something that stands for the rule of law.
	It's like they don't even know that Democrat presidents are going to benefit from this as well moving forward.
	That's exactly why I support it.
	Not to get Trump off the hook.
	Sure, I'm glad it does in this persecution, prosecution of Jack Smith.
	But the principle behind it was it was just the right thing to do.
	Now, another category, Exhibit B, of the right people are upset.
	Are you familiar with the Young Turks podcast and that whole world there with Cenk Uygur and all that, that whole world of Biden-loving leftists?
	They are upset, and it is a spectacle to behold.
	And the whole time the split screen is killing Biden.
	Because he's got his mouth open, he looks confused, doesn't know where he is.
	He's lost his train of thought at least twice in disastrous shape.
	Those are going to be played a billion times in viral video after viral video.
	This is an epic disaster.
	I see people online saying, well, okay, that answer wasn't so bad.
	No, it doesn't.
	Any particular answer doesn't matter at all.
	This thing is over.
	He looks like he's barely surviving.
	I don't mean the debate, I mean life.
	And so there's no person that has a single brain cell left in their head who thinks that Joe Biden is the best candidate to take on Donald Trump.
	You would have to be even crazier than Donald Trump to think that.
	This thing is over, over.
	I'll guarantee you this.
	I would bet any, show me a Democratic politician and I will bet them any amount of money that Joe Biden's going to lose this election if he's the candidate.
	Gotta hand it to him.
	There's nothing like a debate performance like that to bring a certain amount of clarity, even to the most bitter partisans.
	So, and I was watching Senator Chris Coons on one of the weekend shows.
	Bless his heart.
	His job is to still go on TV and say everything's fine.
	Wow, that is a really unenviable position to be in right now.
	The enviable position that we are in.
	Let's cruise into the next hour.
	Our first segment, we can grab some calls.
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	The Supreme Court ruling erodes so very, very much of the Jack Smith election interference case against Trump.
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	The Supreme Court immunity decision, a huge victory for Trump, Sonia Sotomayor In her dissent, just very nearly snapping a twig in this, whatever Trump does, immune, immune, immune.
	If he bribes somebody, he can say that it's in the discourse of his, in the dispatch of his official duty.
	No, he can't!
	No, he can't.
	The prime example for this is the so-called election interference.
	It was in Trump's official, within the scope Of his official duties to constitutionally challenge a result where he thinks he got totally screwed, and so do I and millions of others.
	So is that part of his official duties?
	Of course it is.
	Bribery is illegal.
	Constitutionally challenging an election is not, Madam Justice.
	So the judiciary is a crazy place these days, as evidenced by nothing more vivid than Steve Bannon showing up for, what is it, four months for contempt of Congress.
	I'll tell you what's contemptible was the January 6th committee to begin with.
	A complete witch hunt That wasn't a trial show.
	Talk about political theater of the worst kind.
	Only turncoats like Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney were willing to be a part of this total sham.
	It was worse than a waste of our time.
	It was an offense to the Republic to have this happen.
	And Bannon's point, a lot of his defense was that this was such a joke, such a sham, That a contempt citation from that dog and pony show wasn't worth the email time that it took to send it.
	Steve Bannon on the threshold of showing up for prison, cut 18.
	We are outside of the federal prison in Danbury, Connecticut, and you're hosted tonight by
	federal prisoner number 05635509, formerly Stephen K. Bannon.
	But guess what?
	As this next cut shows you, he is very much still Steve Bannon.
	I'm excited.
	I'm excited because, hey, I don't give two **** about going to Danbury Prison, okay?
	Here's what I give a **** about.
	We're going to take down Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, and the corrupt DOJ, and the FBI, and all of it.
	I could care less, okay?
	I'm excited because MAGA's going to let out a roar tonight, and tomorrow, and the next day, and the next day, and burn it all down until we get to November 5th.
	Where President Trump's going to win in a landslide.
	There you go.
	And he's right.
	Passion is an interesting thing.
	I've been thinking a lot, especially these last couple of days, about what makes an electorate, what makes a voting bloc just rise up, get off the couch and want to go vote hard, vote now, vote early, vote, bring 20 people, vote, vote, vote, vote, vote.
	What has been done to Trump is just a perfect textbook example of the kind of thing that drives passion in the base.
	Now, I'll tell you, and I've had a little warning for you about this last hour, the fact that Trump is alive and exists and breathes the air is a massive motivator to the folks on the left, and even if it is Biden.
	If it's Biden in even further decline in November than he is in now, will millions of people crawl on broken glass and walk through fire to vote against him?
	Of course they will.
	To vote against Trump?
	Of course they will.
	Because it won't be so much pro-Biden.
	Their enthusiasm for him will have wilted considerably.
	But then all they have to do is see Trump on TV and go, oh, nah.
	Now I know why I'm voting for Biden, and millions and millions and millions of people will do that.
	Could it be a landslide?
	Sure it could, but let's pretend it's not going to be.
	It's always wise, and every coach in every athletic endeavor says, play hard, play like you're behind, and it's an old adage in politics as well, do everything as if you are behind, because you don't You don't ever want to become lackadaisical.
	You don't ever want to rest on your laurels.
	You don't ever want to get soft.
	You don't ever want to get lazy.
	So I mentioned about what might happen with the Democrats if indeed they do sideline Biden.
	First of all, if they are able to do this, there's the great likelihood of a chaotic feeding frenzy featuring, one presumes, Kamala Harris.
	I mean, she would be the heiress presumptive, wouldn't she?
	I mean, she's the sitting vice president.
	There she is.
	She'd say, hello, I'm here.
	I'm ready and probably cackle to some degree and offer herself up for Biden's immediate replacement.
	Problem is, there are millions of Democrats who don't want her because she has been, I mean, they like her.
	I mean, I was going to say she's been a useless vice president and she would be a terrible candidate.
	She's right on the issues to the average Democrat voter, but purely objectively, not a really strong presence, not a really big help to the Biden agenda, not really out there with a whole lot of meaningful moments.
	She's been the subject of of deserved derision and satire.
	Listen, if we're going to get rid of Joe Biden, Democrats have to be thinking, please let it be somebody strong.
	Let it be somebody who can win.
	Let it be somebody who excites people.
	And she decidedly does not.
	So as you look down the bench strength, and I use the term loosely in the Democrat Party, where do you get?
	I know you get to Gavin Newsom, who's sharp and telegenic, but he's male and he's white.
	Done!
	Wouldn't you think?
	Can today's Democrat Party sideline the woman of color and install in her place a white guy?
	And even if they could, I think the Hannity debate featuring Gavin Newsom and Rhonda Santus, didn't show that
	Newsom under fire, that when he's not just doing a press availability or getting his hair sprayed
	or something like that, he can be facile for a little while, but you give him a
	little bit of grief and he starts to buckle.
	And I think that there's a lot of sizzle and not very much stake in the whole Gavin Newsom
	commodity profile.
	And again, did I say he's a white man?
	And then, oh, by the way, California.
	How's California doing?
	When you offer up a governor, it's like, hey, let's see how that state is doing.
	It's Ron DeSantis' best calling card.
	Here in my state of Texas, one of the reasons Greg Abbott is so admired is because we're just rockin' and rollin' down here in so many various ways.
	California?
	Not so much.
	So, how about Michigan?
	How's Michigan doing?
	In some ways okay, in some ways not.
	Is Gretchen Whitmer knocking it out of the park to the degree that she needs to be the next President of the United States?
	That seems to be a stretch.
	She is a woman, however, so if you take somebody who's not male...
	Or not quite.
	There's talk about Raphael Warnock, who's been Georgia Senator for about 20 minutes.
	I don't think that's going to happen.
	Amy Klobuchar in Minnesota, who excites virtually no one.
	So just whom do they have?
	Which brings me to whom they have.
	You know you're thinking it.
	You know you've thought about it.
	I've thought about it.
	There was a time, if you asked me a year ago, about who the Democrats might offer if Biden did not run.
	There's one name that might strike a little bit of fear, not because she's all that and not because she's particularly smart or particularly great or whatever, but just because we're in a stupid country and she's a rock star.
	And that, of course, is Michelle Obama.
	Now, I'm here to tell you, It won't be her.
	If I have to eat this later on my own show or come back on Seb's show and say, wow, was I wrong?
	I will.
	But there's no way in the world she wants this job.
	It is a real job.
	Campaigning is brutal.
	Governing is worse.
	She doesn't want this. I remember when some people said, Oh, how about Oprah?
	Oprah, please. Who wants to trade in the magnificent life of privilege that you have
	now in order to endure the daily proctological exam of campaigning or actually being
	president of the United States? Trump loves this. Obama loved this. Clinton loved this.
	You can tell when a candidate, when a president just lives to govern, loves the campaigning, and that is not her.
	And I'll tell you somebody else who might not have the slightest interest in this.
	And that's her husband.
	Does Barack Obama want to be second gentleman?
	Oh, but Mark, people told me this morning, he would actually be running the country.
	He may be running the country now without the slings and arrows of being in the bubble, and you can't go windsurfing with Richard Branson as often if you're second gentleman.
	He and Michelle are living the dream right now.
	Wealth, Power.
	Enormous fame.
	All an actual presidential run would do is screw that up for both of them.
	It ain't gonna be Michelle.
	So, who is it gonna be?
	Tough times for Democrats.
	Mark Davison for Seb Gorka on America First.
	We'll be right back.
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	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, but Seb's on a cruise.
	So we are cruising through the hot topics and all the things in the news.
	Mark Davis with you today and tomorrow and Wednesday.
	Holy cow, what will we do?
	How will we fill the time?
	Well, that's just not a challenge.
	Not when you have as many great topics as we're having a great time working our way through, and not when you have great folks available to us like Rich Barris, Big Data Poll, People's Pundit.
	Rich, welcome.
	How are you doing, sir?
	Living the dream as always, Mark.
	Thanks for having me on.
	It is fantastic to have you.
	So let me ask sort of a polling question and tell everybody your methodology and your take.
	First of all, what do you think about an industry, the polling industry, that has really taken it on the chin in recent years?
	It's human nature that we tend to like polls that say something that we like.
	We disparage polls that give us news that's less pleasant.
	What's your thought on sort of the status quo of polling here in the summer of 2024?
	Yeah, I think that we're struggling, you know, as an industry as a whole.
	Still, we did all right during the presidential primaries.
	And I think that's a good sign, but it is a different electorate.
	You're talking about a completely different electorate.
	And in the era of Trump, you're going to get these voters, Mark, that other pollsters screen out.
	You know, they don't consider them as, you know, likely voters, especially when we start to tighten those voter screens.
	So, it's a lot more tricky than polling a midterm or polling a primary.
	So, we'll see.
	We'll see.
	Is there such a thing as what's been described as the shy Trump voter?
	And I don't mean shy in personality, but shy as in not likely to reveal Trump support to a pollster because they're mistrustful?
	Is there something problematic in the world of surveys and polls?
	Show me 100 Trump voters and I'll show you people who probably don't want to talk to pollsters anyway.
	Yeah, I think there is.
	I just think the question that needs to be vetted more is, you know, how big is this this group?
	Because I think ultimately we had methodology problems in 16 and in 20 was even worse.
	We just aren't reaching certain people.
	And those certain people happen to be more favorable to one candidate, one party than the other.
	But we did have what were called social bias indicators, where we asked people a series of questions
	to see if the same demographics would pop up over and over again, and they did.
	And interestingly enough, there's some of those demographics
	that are in the middle of a shift right now, realignment right now.
	So in 2020, it was constantly the same people, the younger under 45 black male,
	that is a voter that would tell us constantly they're uncomfortable being honest with a pollster
	or uncomfortable being honest with strangers when they're talking about their political beliefs.
	And then you have white working class that are just very difficult to reach.
	So I think it's a little bit of both.
	But they do exist.
	It's just a question of how big is that group.
	Is it a wide variety of methodologies these days?
	Is it cell phone?
	Is there any such thing as a landline anymore?
	Does that affect the game as you see it?
	When we see a poll today, if we see something tomorrow, how were those numbers gathered these days?
	Yeah, everyone's got their argument for different modes of collection.
	I'll tell you, I'm a mixed mode guy.
	I'm a big proponent of mixed mode collection, which is that you use online panels, you use cell phones, you use text messaging.
	There is a variety now.
	We're gone are the days where everybody had a landline.
	In 2020, we abandoned, all but abandoned, the landline calls.
	They only reach certain voters, and those voters we can reach by their cell phone now anyway, in our opinion, and that's what the data show us.
	And then also, when it comes to those live caller interviews in 2020, They were grossly, grossly skewed toward metro voters, metro-leaning voters, as we call them.
	And of course, that would inflate Biden's numbers.
	So we're definitely, I am definitely a big proponent of large samples and mixed mode.
	Now, that's next question.
	What's a large sample?
	Yeah, we have minimum sample sizes, Mark.
	I mean, you cannot poll the state of Florida at our firm unless you have at least a thousand responses.
	There are not only subgroups of basic race types like white, you know, Hispanic, black.
	In a state like Florida, you're talking about Hispanics being a very diverse group of people.
	So if you have a small sample size, you may reach just Puerto Ricans in the Ivory Corridor, and that's not good enough.
	You need to reach Cubans and Venezuelans and So nationally, you know, two thousand is bare minimum.
	We shoot for three thousand for a national sample.
	And I'm a big again, a big proponent of over representation.
	It's always good to wait down.
	Waiting up is a pollsters problem.
	So if you're waiting up, it means you did not speak to enough people to.
	And now you're trying to compensate for not speaking to enough of a certain group.
	I'd always rather wait down and have a higher waiting efficiency variable than wait up.
	Well, anything below 95% is a red flag at our firm.
	And last thing on the nuts and bolts, but I'm fascinated by it.
	I'm really, really glad to do this before we hop into various things that you're asking people about and we're seeing polls about.
	This is awesome.
	I love it.
	It's Polling 101.
	I love it.
	I know there are people driving around, watching, whatever, listening, saying, how in the world can you poll Florida, a state with 22 million people, with a thousand answers?
	You know, they used to use the old bowl of soup equation and they would say, you don't have to eat the entire bowl of soup just as you could take a spoonful and see how hot it is, what it tastes like.
	And that's partly true nowadays, though, because we have so many different modes of collection.
	It's not really a bowl of soup anymore.
	It's more like a bowl of beef stew.
	And which is why you need over-representation.
	Because you may dip your spoon in there and pull out a potato and a carrot, but you miss the meat, you know?
	You miss the celery.
	So the more you eat, the better idea you have on what's in that bowl, now don't you?
	So I understand the old soup thing, the old Skittles thing, but the fact of the matter is it's more like a bowl of beef stew at this point.
	I'm hungry at this point.
	So let's go to things that are being polled about.
	What is the dynamic of when you have something That is a spectacle like this debate was.
	How long will it take for Trump to realize a benefit from this?
	For Biden to realize a detriment from this?
	Or is that necessarily going to happen?
	Because was anybody really that surprised?
	Is it kind of baked in?
	What do you think the debate polling impact will be?
	So I'll tell you, we started fielding our new poll last night.
	And I can tell you, there are some people, this was a revelation.
	So they heard, they heard, you know, Republican criticisms, they heard, you know, stuff in the news, they may have saw memes on social media.
	But some people are going about with their life, Mark, they're not like us, you know, and they're trying to pay the bills.
	And this is the first time they really saw this.
	For themselves that bad, like in that much detail.
	So I do think that there will be some consequence of this.
	As far as how long after an event, I was watching some of those polls come out within 24 hours.
	And I understand that they're tracking and they're using online panels and they're asking, well, did you see the debate?
	But for me, that's not long enough.
	People are busy and it takes maybe you get the high interest people right away but for me and it's a debatable question and I understand people have different opinions but for us it's like 72 hours plus you know you got to give people you know three days to really digest stuff there are people who are on vacation at work doing you know too busy taking the kids to the soccer game they're not going to see it on that first day not the vast majority anyway so You know, it's the age of information and things move quicker.
	But I don't think we're there yet.
	Life is still life.
	60 seconds in this segment.
	Is this the kind of thing that can change?
	Can someone rebound from a bad night and a bad poll?
	Of course they can.
	But it's Biden.
	He's not going to become younger.
	So where do you see this going for him?
	You really just took the words out of my mouth.
	So, presidents, incumbent presidents, tend to have really bad first debate performances, and then they come back during what is traditionally the foreign policy debate.
	However, this time, the issue is totally different, Mark, and it's not going to get any younger.
	That's correct.
	Rich Barris is here, People's Pollster, and we're going to come back and talk about some other things that he's been asking people about, and some things that I've been talking about, that I'm interested in his take on.
	It's America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in, and we will be right back.
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	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Mark Davis filling in, and Rich Barris, the People's Pundit, at People's underscore Pundit on Twitter.
	And listen, this is what the guy does for a living just during the break.
	What did we learn from Pennsylvania, as best you can discern?
	Yeah, the new signal poll out of Pennsylvania looks pretty ugly for Joe Biden.
	They actually, comparing to the consensus or the aggregate of polling, they've been a little bit more favorable to Biden this season than others.
	And they have Biden down four now in Pennsylvania.
	So Trump just getting ready to touch that just below that 50 mark.
	And just if you look inside the poll, if you look at the internals, it's just brutal.
	It's brutal for Biden.
	I know.
	So once again, channeling what people are driving around listening and saying, and I don't need to drag you into an election integrity debate because you do polling for a living, and what we'd all like to think is if Trump is up by four in a state, That it's not eaten alive by 5% margins of voter fraud.
	So let's spend a little time on margins of error, and on getting overconfident, and what happens in certain states, and et cetera, et cetera.
	And when polls really start to become – well, they're always worth some degree of attention.
	But I keep telling people who are throwing me polls, I tell them, guys, it's June.
	Or I would say now, guys, it's July.
	There's a long way to go.
	Yeah, we named the show Inside the Numbers almost as a way, Mark, of telling people, forget about the headline, forget about the top line of the poll, that the real interesting information is inside the numbers, the trends, the demographics.
	And aggregates, of course.
	We preach aggregates because, you know, not all polls are created equally.
	I feel like the media does not do a good enough job explaining to people what things like sampling errors are, and what even more beyond that, subgroup sampling errors being higher than, you know, the overall sampling error.
	And they pop out a headline that says, Trump up by two.
	You know, what it really means is, Is it or is it not within the sampling error depending on that the size of that whole sample and that means a close race, right?
	So People are taking them as if they're gospel and it's going to hit it right on the nose.
	You know, so that's not the case.
	And it never should be thought of to be the case.
	I mean, the trends are what matter and the fundamentals matter.
	And that's more worth talking about than anything else.
	The top lines are like Trump being at or above 50 is significant.
	And that's more significant than what the rest of the poll may even, you know, or what the rest of the article about the poll may even try to say.
	Rich Berries is here.
	Let's move from the pollster hat to the punditry hat.
	You have noticed, apparently, as have I, the meltdown of craziness in the leftist media as the Supreme Court weighs in and says, you know what?
	We're going to obey the rule of law and say presidents of either party should not be dogged by jack wagon district attorneys and local officials.
	We're going to strike a blow for presidential immunity.
	Does it help Trump right now?
	Absolutely.
	Could help a future Democrat president.
	But to watch CNN and MSNBC, it is as if the Earth is spinning wildly out of its orbit.
	Yeah, I was listening to Van Jones basically say that It helps Democrats politically right now, but it hurts the country in the long run.
	And I'm stunned by that take, given what I hear from voters all the time.
	I have a different opinion.
	This is going to reinforce Trump's position that these are persecutions, which people instinctively believe they are anyway now.
	That's why Biden has lost his huge lead on an issue like protecting and preserving democracy.
	You know, a year and a half ago, Biden would have had a 25-point lead on that issue.
	Now it's evaporated and it's gone.
	And that's because people understand an unpopular president is trying to persecute his political opponent.
	A decision like this just validates the idea, you know, the argument and the narrative that Trump and his surrogates and Republicans have been trying to set, which is that they're coming after him with every novel, illegal theory they can, that it's unprecedented.
	And I think people, again, Americans, like they have an instinct To be skeptical, and I think they saw it with skepticism to begin with, and now the Supreme Court has validated that argument.
	That's what this is.
	I don't see how Van Jones comes to that conclusion.
	I just don't.
	It's bad all around.
	Me either, but I heard the same thing on CNN and MSNBC.
	It was as if they were projecting their own angst and their own frustration and thinking, surely tens of millions of voters will be as upset as we are about this.
	What I think a lot of voters, even Democrat voters, are saying, I'm still more liberal than conservative.
	I still like Biden over Trump.
	But when Trump says the system's out to get him, maybe he's kind of right about that.
	I think a lot of times there's just a projection that goes on like that.
	Last thing for the last couple of minutes, Rich Barris is here, the People's Pundit.
	So as we all wait for Trump to pick a running mate, does somebody help you in a given state?
	I mean, is J.D.
	Vance worth three points in Ohio?
	Things like that.
	You know, there really is two arguments.
	I would say no.
	The best case for a vice presidential pick, of course, is Lyndon B. Lyndon Baines Johnson with Kennedy.
	I think the president's got to carry the ticket on his own, and Trump's got a very different decision to make this time around.
	That he does.
	Well, when he does, I know you'll be here to talk about it with Seb or with me when I'm filling in.
	That is Rich Barris, the People's Pundit.
	Check him out there on the world of Twitter at People's underscore Pundit.
	Mark Davis, back on America First with Dr. Gorka, next.
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	It is America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka, and Seb will be back next week after America turns 248.
	That means you and I are together today and tomorrow and Wednesday.
	I will get you to America's birthday.
	We're working our way through a number of topics, and let's work our way through some calls, shall we?
	833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	Let us roll to Newport Beach, California.
	And Eric, that is you.
	Mark Davis in for Seb.
	How are you doing?
	Hi, Mark.
	I just have a legal question about the Constitution on the 25th Amendment.
	If it is enacted, the 25th Amendment, does that preclude Biden?
	Is it immediate?
	And does it preclude him from pardoning his son or his other cronies?
	What could Biden do if somehow we end up in 25th Amendment territory, which there's no reason to believe that's going to happen, but you never know.
	When the vice president and a majority of the cabinet say the president has lost it and needs to be removed, the president is at that moment removed, and Kamala Harris would become acting president.
	But the president then could write a letter to both the vice president and the president pro tem of the Senate, who at the moment is Patty Murray of Washington, saying, no, I'm fine.
	nothing wrong here, at which point he would be reinstalled as president.
	If at that point the vice president and those cabinet members say, hey, you weren't paying
	attention to us, we said he's got to go, then all of a sudden it then goes to the super
	majorities of both houses of Congress.
	So if your question is, what could Biden do?
	Would Biden have an opportunity to do something if he felt that the 25th Amendment bell was about to toll?
	That would be yes, because he would be reinstalled as president if he challenged the attempt to remove him.
	And then while it all worked its way through the Congress, he would be president.
	So there you go.
	Alrighty.
	Let us then work our way through Sarasota, Florida.
	Bert, Mark Davison for Sab.
	How are you?
	All right, Mark.
	Golly, it's great to hear you on the air.
	I always enjoy it.
	Thanks.
	Go national.
	Thanks very much.
	All right.
	Well, I just said it's a hypothetical here, playing the numbers.
	Kennedy, let's just say Kennedy.
	They dropped Biden.
	Kennedy has a kumbaya with the Democratic Party.
	Do you think he could pull enough people from the moderate conservatives and the Democrats Let's take the questions in order.
	Is there any likelihood of RFK Jr.
	getting, being anointed by a Democrat party that he has burnt every bridge between?
	So there's zero chance of him being the Democrat nominee.
	If he were, just to play out the hypothetical.
	There are two things you need to do to win, and that is have a broad enough appeal that some independents vote for you.
	But the other thing you've got to have is the passion of your base.
	What makes Trump so awesome is he has the passion of the conservative base.
	What makes Biden a danger is he is losing the passion of the liberal base.
	I don't think RFK Jr.
	has the passion of the liberal base anymore.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Let us roll to California.
	Dave, Mark Davison for Seb.
	How are you?
	Hey, Mark.
	Doing great.
	Hi.
	Got a question for you, and it pertains to Eric's question of a couple of minutes ago.
	Discussing the 25th Amendment option again, which everyone's talking about, what needs to be explored, and probably would be done by Congress, is the validity or non-validity of the claimed status as natural-born citizen of Kamala Harris.
	And this is based on something that hasn't really been circulated.
	Bottom line, she was born with the status of an alien, relative to U.S.
	immigration laws.
	She was born in California.
	However, her parents were not residents.
	She was born in California.
	Listen, we can like this or not like this.
	She was born in California.
	Case closed.
	Her parents did not have status legally.
	She was born in California.
	Case closed.
	The case law on that, Minor v. Happersett, 1874, Secondly, there was an Asia-Pacific heritage term in the immigration statutes in 1964 that her parents committed fraud to cover up because she would not have been readmissible to this country being 50% of Asian descent, which is
	Well, there's a reason why none of this is being thought about.
	It's called, She Was Born in California.
	Case closed.
	I mean, listen, you've hit on a big bugaboo that I have.
	I don't think birthright citizenship is right.
	I don't think you should be able to drag somebody across the border, have a pregnant woman give birth, and all of a sudden, boom!
	Instant American citizen.
	I don't like that any more than maybe you do.
	But that's the case at the moment.
	So she was born in California, so a challenge to her eligibility would go precisely nowhere.
	Thanks.
	There's a possibility there are other reasons why her campaign would go precisely nowhere, and that is because she's Kamala Harris.
	And when you take a look At what she brings to the table, I had a kind of an interesting trip around the topical tree with some folks about whether she would be, I guess we phrased it, harder to beat than Biden or easier.
	In a way, or let's stack this up for a couple of minutes.
	We can do calls on it if you wish.
	833-33 Gorka.
	If the Democrat Party decides, look, Biden's got to go.
	And if that's a good news, bad news situation for them, and they succeed in replacing him at their riot-torn convention in Chicago, the good news is if they succeed in doing that, then they are no longer saddled by his infirmity.
	The bad news is they have Kamala Harris, if indeed they've decided to do that.
	I mean, they've painted themselves into a real corner.
	Problem number one is Biden is their nominee.
	Problem number two is that the presumptive replacement is Kamala Harris, who has been a useless vice president and promises to be just a terrible, terrible candidate.
	Here's the area of concern that I have.
	It's not a concern that rises to the level of she would beat Trump.
	Although, you never know, because two things are going on here.
	Trump and his base and our passions will be there.
	The facts are leaning in our direction.
	The economy is leaning in our direction.
	Lord knows, borders are leaning in our direction.
	In a sane universe, and using Earth logic, this is Trump's election to lose.
	But it's not a sane universe, and sometimes Earth logic does not kick in.
	You can't be sure of anything.
	And don't underestimate the degree to which people will walk through fire and will walk I don't know how big X is.
	I hope it's not big.
	And I kind of hope it's not her.
	from being president again. The other thing is she ain't Michelle Obama by any stretch,
	but there would be a there would be an enthusiasm for the the ticking of the boxes, the DEI issues
	of of blackness and womanhood where a lot of people would say, oh give her a chance,
	it's been tough, wouldn't this be exciting and that's going to be worth X number of votes.
	I don't know how big X is. I hope it's not big and I kind of hope it's not her. So anyway,
	who will it be and other issues? Let's plow forward into the next hour.
	Mark Davidson for Dr. Gorka on America First.
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	Thank you, Doctor.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Let's get this final segment taken care of and then work our way into our number three.
	Phone numbers 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	Let's go to the phones and wrap up this hour in Kansas.
	Jerry, Mark Davis in for Seb.
	How are you?
	I'm doing well.
	It's good to talk with you.
	Thank you.
	I, uh, you know, with the left feeling such a fit about the, um, decision from the Supreme Court on presidential immunity, I wonder what would happen if we presented a bill for, normally with any legislative immunities.
	Uh, you'd have to amend the Constitution because it's in Article I, Section 6, I want to say?
	that says that you can't be arrested, you know, going into your attendance at the... hang on a second, I'm actually looking for it... They shall in all cases, except treason, felony, and breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest during their attendance at the session of their respective houses, and in going to and returning from same, and for any speech or debate in either house, they shall not be questioned in any other place.
	Legislative immunity seems to be a constitutional precept that was pretty important to the founders.
	And I think with good reason.
	I think there are political solutions.
	A lot of times politicians get in trouble and they end up getting voted out by the people.
	I think the legislative immunity carries the same kind of value that the presidential immunity does, that the Supreme Court ruled on today, that it just gets messy when Predatory prosecutors start saying, I'm going to make a name for myself by going after some political figure or another.
	Don't they understand the can of worms they're opening, though, that if it was the way that they wish, that the number of presidents that would be gone after are just astronomical.
	They just continually go after them.
	Well, I think this is what the Supreme Court was addressing today.
	I think they said, look, especially in a dog-eat-dog world, in a feeding frenzy environment, and honestly, with the kind of persecution, prosecutions that we've seen in the Trump era, I mean, flip the coin and could you see Ambitious and mischievous Republican prosecutor saying, I'll show Joe Biden with whatever years he has left on the planet, or I'll retroactively go after Obama for something he did.
	So I'm a fan of immunity.
	I think it's positives far outweigh its negatives.
	Thanks.
	Appreciate it.
	Alrighty.
	In our next hour, we're going to take a look at some foreign policy issues with Robert Wilkie.
	Who is a Veterans Affairs Secretary and Undersecretary of Defense.
	Under Trump, we'll take a look at this big, broad world that we live in and how dangerous it remains and why it's extremely important to have a president who is aware of that dangerous world and who makes the world less dangerous the moment his hand comes off the Bible on Inauguration Day.
	Because every tin horn tyrant, every terrorist will then look at the White House.
	They'll look at Trump and say, wow, I don't know what that guy will do.
	Made the world safer immediately.
	Mark Davis in for Dr. Gorka.
	Stick around.
	one more to go, one more hour to go, and we want to make you a part of it. So stay here.
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	I'm Sebastian Gorka and this is America First with our very special guest host
	the voice of Dallas, Mark Davis.
	you Thank you, Doctor.
	Appreciate it so much.
	And we hope that you and Mike Gallagher and the listeners are having a magnificent time there on the Patriots' Alaska cruise.
	Bring some of that Alaska weather back to the lower 48.
	It's 127 degrees outside the studio where I am in Texas, and I'm only slightly exaggerating.
	The topics are hot.
	Heaven knows that's true.
	Phone numbers 833-33-GORKA, 833-334-6752.
	And we're going to hop back to those phone lines here in a second.
	What we find ourselves, if you're just joining the program, it is the aftermath of the debate, the gift that keeps on giving.
	We're also taking a look at the Trump VP pick, which is obviously just days away, and the Supreme Court ruling in a major victory for Trump.
	on the presidential immunity case.
	And this is a good ruling, not because of the way it makes us feel politically.
	I don't look for the Supreme Court to do my political bidding.
	I look for them to stand for the Constitution and the rule of law.
	And they have done so in this ruling, and that is why the left is absolutely melting down.
	This has been a tough few days on MSNBC, perhaps in particular.
	There's so many examples that Eric has teed up for me, so let's just take a look at We need just a welfare check on Simone Sanders, make sure she's okay.
	This was her in the immediate aftermath of the debate.
	That said, I too was on the phone throughout much of the debate.
	With Obama's world, people, with the Democrats, with people who are political operatives, with campaign operatives, my phone really never stopped buzzing throughout.
	And the universal reaction was somewhere approaching panic.
	The people who were texting with me were very concerned about President Biden seeming extremely feeble, seeming extremely weak.
	And, you know, I'll just reiterate what I said earlier.
	President Biden had one job tonight.
	And it was one primary job.
	And yes, it was to litigate Donald Trump's, you know, criminality and all of those things.
	But he had to settle his own party.
	He needed to settle Democrats.
	Democrats, you know, they always talk about Democrats are bedwetters and Democrats are always panicking.
	Yes, Democrats are always panicking.
	They're always scared, right?
	They're always thinking they're going to lose.
	Like Democrats are very pessimistic.
	This is just who they are.
	They're neurotic.
	But Joe Biden's job was to reassure them tonight.
	His job was to calm his party, to make them feel that, yes, I can do this.
	I have four more years in me.
	I have the ability and the stamina and the strength to do four more years.
	He did not do that.
	He did the opposite of that.
	He made them more panicked.
	The people who were texting me were even more panicked.
	They actually expected it to be better than it was and now they're in a, I won't say a full-fledged panic, but it's getting there.
	No, I'd go with full-fledged panic.
	And it's funny, I think that was like an index card that they handed around because isn't that exactly what Claire McCaskill said?
	That Biden had one job and did not do it.
	Who in the known universe figured that he would?
	Who really And I know I heard some people say, you know, there's a possibility Biden could be, because the State of the Union did that.
	State of the Union showed us that if you give him enough B12 shots and enough Monster Energy drinks, that he can actually get through an hour and a fraction of teleprompter.
	This wasn't teleprompter.
	This was Trump Prompter, which is a very different stimulus.
	It's a guy standing on the stage eight feet away from you saying things that you simply cannot respond to, either because there is no plausible response or you're just not capable of forming the words in your brain and having them come out your mouth.
	This is where we are.
	And all these people have said, oh, we're so surprised.
	We were shocked. We were amazed. We can't believe it was this bad. Of course it was this bad because this is him.
	This is him.
	And I've had a bunch of people say, Mark, it was so bad.
	And I said it the morning after the debate on my own show here in Dallas in Fort Worth at 6.60 a.m.
	The answer I said, I almost feel bad for him.
	As a human being, as a person, as a caring individual, I don't want anybody to go through a huge cognitive decline.
	So yes, as a human being, I don't want anybody to go through this.
	But this isn't just any human being.
	This guy is President of the United States and he refuses to get out of the way.
	His wife refuses to sit him down and say, Joe, it's time to retire at the beach house in Rehoboth.
	It's been a nice run.
	It's time to be done for the good of the country, for the good of the party.
	It's time.
	These people do not care about the country.
	They do not care about their own party.
	So because of the The narcissism, just the raw self-absorption involved in every continuing day of the Biden campaign, that sort of tempers, if not outweighs, my ability to feel bad for him.
	Of course, I don't want him to die.
	I don't want anybody to have cognitive decline.
	I want him to live to a healthy 112 years old when he's not screwing up my country anymore.
	But as far as empathy or sympathy or feeling bad, no.
	No.
	You know who I feel bad for?
	The country.
	I feel bad for the country having to be dragged through this by these people because they don't know when to hit the exits.
	We're in Dayton, Ohio on the phones.
	833-33-GORKA.
	Jeff, welcome.
	Mark Davison for Seb, how are you?
	Hey, thanks for taking my call, Mark.
	Hey, I want to know if, here's a possible scenario that's been talked about, you know, debated about, but if they persuade Joe and Kamala both to step aside and they bring in Michelle Obama, who has always said, I don't want to do this, no, no, no, no.
	But that could be a selling point where she says, I know I said I don't want to do this, but I must save our country from evil Orange Man.
	And I want to know, do you think that's possible?
	And if so, how hard do you think it'll be for Trump to beat her?
	Two things.
	Stay here.
	I'll give you my thoughts and then bounce it right back to you.
	As I've said on this show already, I consider this pretty close to a zero mathematical likelihood.
	She does not want this job.
	It is a real job and it's a very hard job.
	Campaigning is brutal.
	Governing is often worse.
	Her level of interest in this is probably even lower than her husband.
	Barack Obama may be running the country already.
	What does he need the grief of actually doing it visibly as second gentleman?
	Because we know what a sweet gig that is.
	So my thought, my expectation is that she has absolutely no interest in ruining her absolutely perfect ideal life by running for and even being president.
	But to your second question, if this were to happen, if I'm 100% wrong on this, which does occur on rare occasions, How hard would she be to beat?
	Probably pretty hard.
	There is no Democrat who would be harder because she is instantly popular, already famous.
	The Obama magical mystique would be back in front of everybody's face.
	The Democrats would have such an enormous sigh of relief with an actual rock star that they are able to replace Biden with.
	Who's excited about Amy Klobuchar?
	Who cares about Gretchen Whitmer?
	Even Gavin Newsom White man, forget it.
	So she's demographically perfect.
	She is attitudinally perfect for today's Democrat party.
	She would be, she's the hardest Democrat to beat.
	Now that either means that she would beat Trump, or it means that instead of winning, you know, by an electoral landslide and winning by Well, yeah, definitely.
	that his win would be narrower, but she would be really hard to beat.
	What do you think?
	Well, yeah, definitely.
	But so but you said, though, that this is not going to happen.
	But do you do you think they're going to stick with Joe Biden?
	They may not have much choice.
	If he does not want, if he is unwilling to step aside, the gears that have to grind in Democrat circles in order to forcibly remove him against his will at the convention while the riots are already happening outside.
	There'd be riots inside the building if they did this.
	The bad blood would be intense.
	The scenario of how it plays out.
	And here's the weird thing.
	I want to offer this up to you too.
	As bad as he was, as bad as he is, as cognitively challenged as he is, he might actually still
	be the Democrats' strongest plausible candidate.
	You don't think they'll 25 him?
	I don't.
	Because that's about the ability to be president.
	That would involve Kamala and more than half the cabinet writing a letter that says we think he simply cannot be president anymore.
	He could then say I'm fine, at which point he would instantly remain president.
	That it would all go through super majorities of Congress.
	I don't think you'd get Democrats to throw him out on his ear.
	And this all might take longer than we have left before the election.
	So, 30 seconds for you.
	What do you think is going to happen?
	I honestly don't know.
	I'm keeping my ear to the ground.
	That's a perfect answer, because nobody knows, and nobody's crystal ball is probably any better than anybody else's.
	So thank you, sir.
	Appreciate it very, very much.
	All right, coming up, we're going to do some foreign affairs.
	Robert Wilkie knows a lot about that.
	He was Secretary of Veterans Affairs and Undersecretary of Defense.
	It remains a dangerous world.
	It has been more dangerous since Joe Biden's hand came off the Bible on Inauguration Day 2021.
	Every leader, every tin horn tyrant, every terrorist knows that the President is weak.
	This is dreadful for America.
	So how do we navigate these remaining months of the Biden presidency, much less another four years?
	We'll examine this in detail next.
	Mark Davison for Dr. Gorka on America First.
	We'll be right back.
	Welcome to the next session of the day.
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	it is america first with dr. sebastian gorka Mark Davis filling in today and tomorrow and the next day.
	Oh, what will we do?
	I have a feeling there'll be topical material aplenty.
	So we've spent a lot of time focusing sort of on the here and the now and the debate disaster and the aftermath of that.
	And what might the Democrats do, etc., etc.
	All of this takes place in the context of an election coming up November 5th that will determine a lot about America and determine a lot about our place in the world and determine what we are going to do in what is still a very, very dangerous world.
	Let's go back to debate night and a particularly valuable chunk of time there where the subject was foreign policy and President Trump made clear why he thinks he is the better choice.
	And he saw the incompetence that he should, he should have fired those generals like I fired the one that you mentioned.
	And so he's got no love lost.
	But he should have fired those generals.
	No general got fired for the most embarrassing moment in the history of our country, Afghanistan.
	Well, we left billions of dollars of equipment behind.
	We lost 13 beautiful soldiers, and 38 soldiers were obliterated.
	And by the way, we left people behind, too.
	We left American citizens behind.
	When Putin saw that, he said, you know what?
	I think we're going to go in and maybe take my... This was his dream.
	I talked to him about it, his dream.
	The difference is, he never would have invaded Ukraine.
	Never.
	Just like Israel would have never been invaded.
	In a million years by Hamas.
	You know why?
	Because Iran was broke with me.
	I wouldn't let anybody do business with them.
	They ran out of money.
	Boy, he could go on, and he did.
	And by the way, this is the same debate where Joe Biden said, and where everybody was talking about how Trump lies, Trump lies.
	Well, one of the two dozen that Biden told is that no one died under his watch.
	Really?
	13 American service members were unavailable for comment.
	Robert Wilkie is here and available for comment.
	He was Secretary of Veterans Affairs under Trump and Undersecretary of Defense.
	Mr. Wilkie, welcome.
	How are you doing, sir?
	I'm great, and it's good to be with you, Mark.
	And I'm glad to see a picture of the Republic in the background.
	Yeah, you got that right.
	It's the Dallas skyline.
	It's not a window.
	It's a graphic, but it's a good one.
	And listen, it is so nice to have you here, particularly as we look at the various issues that are staring us in the face on November 5th.
	I want to get into some actual veterans issues with you, particularly in a bit, but you're familiar with the Pentagon, familiar with our fighting forces, familiar with foreign policy.
	I have often said that the world will become safer the moment Donald Trump's hand comes off the Bible on inauguration day.
	Do you think I'm right about that?
	And if so, why?
	Absolutely.
	And you just showed why.
	The difference between a Trump administration and a Trump worldview and the Biden blame America first worldview.
	We drew very clear lines in the Trump administration.
	In fact, they were so clear that the one time Vladimir Putin got out of line, 300 of his little green men in the Syrian desert disappeared in a red mist.
	When Vladimir Putin encountered Joe Biden, Joe Biden said, well, I really don't care about Ukraine as long as it's just a small incursion.
	When the Iranians got too close to American forces in the Syrian desert, the number one architect of world global terrorism, Soleimani, also disappeared in a red mist on a Baghdad airport apron.
	And as President Trump said, we bankrupted the Iranian regime, and we did it two ways.
	We made sure nobody dealt with them.
	But the other thing is, we created American energy independence, where we could sell cheap oil, not only to the world, but provide us with a safety net in the event there was another explosion in the Middle East.
	The Iranians were down to $5 billion in their treasury when Donald Trump left office.
	The Biden administration immediately started feeding them tens of billions of dollars in the hope that they would eat us or our allies last.
	And the fruit of that is not only the attacks against Israel, but the Biden administration has stepped aside while Houthi brigands, another Iranian proxy force, has shut off The world's second busiest sea lanes.
	90% of the shipping going through the Red Sea has now stopped, and the Iranian proxies continue to sink ships.
	And the Biden administration not only has not conducted a comprehensive response militarily to the attacks, but when it did offer pinprick responses, it actually told the Houthis and the Iranians when we were coming so they wouldn't get anybody hurt.
	This is a kind of cloud cuckoo faculty lounge nonsense that has put the whole world on edge.
	And I can tell you that in my travels, particularly in Eastern Europe, in spite of what the Biden acolytes in the mainstream media said, those leaders can't wait to get rid of Biden and Blinken because they know that Putin fears Trump.
	And he walks all over Biden.
	So weakness vis-a-vis Russia and weakness in the Middle East, is it your belief?
	President Trump is fond of saying that if he had been president, that Putin would have not have rolled on Ukraine and October 7th would not have happened either in the Middle East.
	Do you believe both of those are true?
	Well, I do.
	And let me just give you an example.
	And you've talked about it on your radio show in the past.
	We're witnessing it continually.
	We're a continuum that began with Barack Obama weakness and is now, you know, made doubly manifest with the Obama people who are running this administration.
	Putin carved up a chunk of Ukraine under Obama.
	When Putin threatened Ukraine, what did Obama do?
	He sent blankets and meals ready to eat.
	When Trump came into office, we didn't send blankets and meals ready to eat.
	We sent the message that we were giving the Ukrainians Precision guided munitions that could take out Russian tank columns, could take out Russian command and control facilities, and Putin backed off.
	That's the difference.
	And of course, you mentioned, and President Trump did, the debacle in Afghanistan.
	You know, I remember as a child, you know, my father was a senior officer in the 82nd Airborne Division when I was a little fellow, and the expression on his face when Saigon fell.
	He'd spent several tours in Vietnam and had been badly wounded in his last tour.
	But that was nothing compared to what happened in Afghanistan as America was exposed as a leaderless and often toothless giant.
	These so-called foreign policy experts, Mark, didn't even have the good courtesy or the grace to inform the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Mr. Johnson, Who'd lost 450 troops in Afghanistan that we were leaving.
	Didn't tell Macron we were leaving.
	Didn't tell the Italians we were leaving.
	In fact, Boris Johnson waited two weeks to get in touch with the professionals.
	The professionals we were all told would make the world better once Joe Biden and his crowd were in office.
	Got about 60 seconds for the short version, then we'll expand in our next segment.
	President Trump says, I would have the Ukraine matter settled, perhaps within days.
	How do you think he might do that?
	Well, it would be a it would be a replay of what he did the first time.
	I think the call would go to Putin that you either stop or we give the Ukrainians everything that they need.
	The other thing that we did, and it is not well known, but unlike Obama and Biden, who actually pulled troops out of Europe, President Trump quietly sent combat brigades into places like Lithuania and Poland, to the point that the Polish president even named their newest military facility, Camp Trump.
	That was to send a message to Putin that we were watching him, that his grand designs would not be fulfilled while Donald Trump was in office.
	Let us pause and come back with a little more with Secretary Robert Wilkie.
	A pleasure to have him with his Pentagon experience, his experience with Veterans Affairs.
	We'll talk about the American veteran and the plight that they have faced under Biden and how life might get better for them under the second Trump term.
	Mr. Wilkie and I will return in a moment on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in.
	We'll be right back.
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	You and I are together today and tomorrow and Wednesday.
	And I don't know about you, but I'm having a fantastic time.
	No shortage of topics and no shortage of wonderful people to talk to.
	What a pleasure to have Secretary Robert Wilkie with us.
	United States Secretary of Veterans Affairs under Trump from 2018 to 2021.
	Talking about dangerous trouble spots in the world and how to run foreign policy and how not to.
	After October 7th, the Biden administration talked a good game, it seemed, for about a week of our staunch support for Israel.
	And it did not take long for the Hamas wing of the Democrat Party to erode that to the extent that what's your understanding of what's happening now amid this weird shuttle sabotage of sending Antony Blinken out there for every two or three weeks and saying, hey, don't win or anything.
	Where do you think this is all leading?
	Well, let's go back to where it started with Obama.
	Remember, Mark, that the Obama administration spent millions and millions of taxpayer dollars trying to defeat Benjamin Netanyahu.
	You talk about election interference.
	This is something that the other side does really well.
	And because Netanyahu stands for everything that they don't.
	He believes in the Judeo-Christian continuum.
	He believes in the power and the goodness of Western civilization.
	So the The Ayatollahs and their proxies understood that Biden was a very different game from Trump.
	And you saw that just recently, where the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in Africa said that the U.S.
	wouldn't support an Israeli move to the north, even though the Hezbollah terrorists are firing thousands of rockets at the Israelis as we speak, that the entire northern section of Israel has been evacuated to the tune of 70,000 to 80,000 people who can't
	go home.
	And the Iranians continue to call the shots. What Biden has done is actually
	raise the calculus for the Iranians in the sense that they now probably believe that it's much
	easier to attack Hezbollah, since Biden has already shown his hand.
	And that's on top of the equivocation that you talked about from October 7th forward.
	I mean, he runs a party that admires Bernie Sanders and Trotskyites more than it admires the state of Israel.
	And, you know, that's one thing that would happen if they had an open convention to see all that spill out onto the floor.
	But it is a terrible, terrible situation that we've put the Israelis in.
	And not just the Israelis.
	I mean, what do the Saudis think?
	What do the Jordanians think?
	Because they've got the Iranian, the Persian menace on their doorstep.
	And the United States won't even stand up, not only for its greatest spiritual ally in terms of history.
	But we've also thrown the United Kingdom under the bus with trade relationships and telling them they have to give up a constituent part of their country—Northern Ireland, a Protestant part of Ireland that's been part of the United Kingdom for a long time.
	That's the kind of thing we see with this administration, and it all stems from The idea that America is the font of all evil, that if we just go away, the world will be a better place.
	But as we know, they're ennobling the world's most maleficent actors.
	In our remaining couple of minutes, something we could do a couple more segments on, and I hope to have the chance to do so.
	As Secretary of Veterans Affairs, let's talk about the plight of the American veteran.
	Is it better than 20 years ago?
	And I might as well slot this into it.
	And how will it be better under a second Trump term?
	What do American veterans have to look forward to if Trump regains the White House?
	Well, you remember, and you did many shows on this, and you and I actually talked about it a few years ago.
	Obama-Biden wreck.
	I mean, we had the spectacle of veterans dying in the hallways in places like Phoenix.
	They turned a blind eye to actual corruption in that institution.
	Even CNN said that they had a 37 percent approval rating.
	When President Trump came in, he had very simple orders to clean it up.
	When we left, we had a 91 percent approval rating.
	We'd given veterans choice Over half of the veterans on the rolls were given the opportunity, when they wished it, to go into the private sector to get care at a place that was closer to home.
	We fired 8,000 employees, 2,000 of whom for grievous misconduct.
	And what did Biden do on his first week in office?
	He brought them all back with back pay.
	He also wrecked choice.
	The unions are back in charge.
	And once again, as President Trump said in that debate, veterans are just something that inconveniences the Democrats.
	Boy, there's so much need for wisdom for a safer world and better care for our veterans there at the VA.
	I used to walk by it when I was, you know, living and working in downtown Washington.
	It says, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan.
	That is the charge of the VA.
	It was so well served by you, Mr. Secretary.
	Great to have you on.
	Thanks for being with us.
	Robert Wilkie, Mark Davis, in for Dr. Gorka.
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	Sebastian Gorka.
	Ordinarily, but these are not ordinary times.
	Or is that true?
	These are definitely not ordinary times.
	And of course, Dr. Gorka is on the Patriots Alaska cruise with a bunch of delighted listeners, I'm sure.
	And I hope you guys have been, I don't know if delighted is the word, maybe tolerant is the word for when the fill-in guy is here.
	That's me, Mark Davis from 660 AM The Answer in Dallas-Fort Worth, here with you today and tomorrow.
	And Wednesday.
	And all kinds of great stuff lined up for the next two days.
	And listen, these days, this week, post-debate meltdown, and after the Supreme Court rules properly on presidential immunity, that absolutely benefits Trump.
	Of course it does.
	But it will benefit future presidents of both parties.
	But boy, you wouldn't know that to see the black armbands they'll be wearing in leftist media circles for the time being.
	Such a weird They've been throwing all day.
	Maybe you'll see some of that maybe tonight and overnight.
	We'll talk about some of that more tomorrow.
	Wouldn't it be something if Trump threw down a VP pick tomorrow, the next day?
	That'd be kind of cool.
	That'd give us something to react to.
	In the meantime, we speculate as to who that might be.
	And there's always no shortage of stuff going on in the news, and we'll cover it tomorrow and the next day right here on America First.
	So here today, as the month of July begins and the new work week begins, I've been looking back at the debate.
	Listen, if you watch the debate and go through excerpts of it, it actually gets worse on repeated viewings and listenings.
	I didn't know this was possible, but it actually really does get worse.
	But there's one thing that gets better.
	Trump's performance.
	We've been so immersed in how badly Biden did, that it has almost gulped up all the
	oxygen of how pleased and I think I might actually, semi-relieved?
	There were things Trump could have done that would not have been in his best interest.
	As I said leading up to the debate on my local show, I think listeners, viewers, the people watching the debate will enjoy a comparison of their presidential record, but nobody wants to see grandpa mugged on national television.
	There is the possibility that Trump might have overplayed his hand.
	Not only did he not do it, he showed It was a restrained yet aggressive performance.
	He triangulated this just absolutely perfectly.
	I was so pleased and so proud for him.
	That and Biden's infirmity is why there will not be another Trump-Biden debate.
	Book that!
	If there is a Trump debate in September, it'll be with the guy that they replaced Biden with in Democrat land when they shelved him.
	And that, of course, has been a lot of our hot topicality as well.
	But one of the things that was supposed to be a real challenge for Trump is, ooh, hope they don't bring up abortion because Democrats are winning all over the place on abortion, abortion, abortion, abortion.
	It's a real it's a it's a trap for for Trump moving forward.
	I've always thought that was overstated.
	And take a look at this guy to go back after after Cenk Uygur nearly needed to be carried off on a stretcher.
	The other guy.
	In the Young Turks podcast, John Iadarola talking about how Trump kinda won on abortion.
	It's a guaranteed loss!
	You're telling me this is the most important election of our lifetimes?
	You're telling me that democracy's on the line?
	And you're gonna put on a guy who can't even talk!
	Who can't even sit there and look normal!
	This thing's a bloodbath!
	He's gonna get annihilated!
	That is... Okay.
	Now the Democrats have to decide.
	Are they happy to lose?
	Are they willing to lose?
	Because this is a guaranteed loss.
	This is so much worse than my worst nightmares of what it could be like in every way.
	The visual stuff is obvious.
	The staring off, the looking down.
	It just looks terrible.
	His voice is so utterly weak and feeble.
	And honestly, that immediately hits you when you see him.
	But what he says and what he doesn't say on the most important core issues of the election are even worse.
	Trump won on abortion in the debate.
	Trump comes out of the January 6th stuff looking fine.
	He comes out of the criminal conviction stuff looking fine.
	Joe Biden looks worse on democracy after that.
	He looks worse on criminality after that.
	Can we just put that on a continuous loop or something and just let it run in my house?
	That's over on CNN.
	John King said, hey, game changer.
	Anderson, this was a game changing debate in the sense that right now, as we speak, there is a deep, a wide and a very aggressive panic in the Democratic Party.
	It started minutes into the debate and it continues right now.
	It involves party strategists.
	It involves elected officials.
	It involves fundraisers.
	And they're having conversations about the President's performance, which they think was dismal, which they think will hurt other people down the party in the ticket, and they're having conversations about what they should do about it.
	Some of those conversations include, should we go to the White House and ask the President to step aside?
	Others are, other of the conversations are about, should prominent Democrats go public with that call?
	Well, they're going to.
	They absolutely are going to.
	And you're going to see a fascinating fork in the road in the Democrat Party among those who are honest and free to speak the truth.
	And in the self-interest of their own party, they know, they absolutely know, they have to replace him.
	But then you come, bam, right up against the brick wall of, okay, with whom?
	Kamala?
	Is that really a great plan B?
	Is Gretchen Whitmer all that attractive or Amy Klobuchar or Raphael Warnock?
	Notice I'm mentioning people who are either not male or not white or both.
	It's not like the Democrats have a lot of bench strength.
	We can't get out of this segment or get out of this show without throwing back to Brother Steve Bannon.
	Just in the hours leading up to him being imprisoned, Steve Bannon said that this shows the danger of the ruling class.
	But man, oh man, the people, think about it Grant, people that would allow
	this to go on with the national security of the United States and have somebody like Biden who barely knows where
	he is can't stand up and make a decision against Putin, can't
	stand up and make a decision against the mullahs in Tehran, can't stand up and make a decision against the criminals in
	Xi and Beijing.
	Those people that would risk that and hide that will do anything to shred the Constitution or any law out there.
	So right now I think you're seeing the danger of our ruling class.
	That's Steve Bannon on there with my buddy Grant Stinchfield.
	Speaking of interesting moments on the TV box, on CNN, Dana Bash and Jake Tapper, of course, had to show up for their regular jobs after doing the debate.
	Jim Clyburn, who maybe he and Jill are the two people who can get with Biden and say, sir, it's time to step aside.
	Listen to Dana Bash when Jim Clyburn criticizes how CNN handled the debate.
	Oh, is it too late?
	If you're going to have another debate...
	Go ahead, I'll bail out in time.
	The preparation for that debate needs to be different.
	There's no question in my mind.
	We cannot overload the candidate with all...
	Well I don't know.
	I think that Joe Biden will do well with the debate.
	I think it all depends upon what the rules are.
	The rules were not the problem.
	Let me come back and get out of the segment.
	The rules were not the problem.
	The candidate was.
	We'll be right back.
	Welcome to the Center for the Arts and Sciences.
	This is a presentation of the Center for the Arts and Sciences.
	We're here to talk about the Center for the Arts and Sciences.
	Thank you, Doctor.
	Now, here in the final moments here, I think one of the best things that I could do is correct the error of a moment ago.
	The clock is a cruel taskmaster.
	And so we started this cut of James Clyburn giving Dan a bash the what for because he didn't think CNN did that great of a debate.
	It deserves to be uninterrupted.
	So here it is in all its glory.
	If we're going to have another debate, the preparation for that debate needs to be different.
	There's no question in my mind.
	Should there be another debate?
	Well, I don't know.
	I think that Joe Biden will do well with the debate.
	I think it all depends upon what the rules are.
	I don't like a debate where nobody will do any fact-checking.
	You just say what you want to say.
	You know it's a lie.
	The guy told 30-some-odd lies, and nobody checked him on it and said that was up to Joe Biden to do.
	I'm not too sure.
	If I ask you a question and you lie to me with the answer, I ought to follow up.
	And give you what the facts are, and see what your reaction to that will be.
	So that, to me, was not the way to plan the debate.
	And whoever did that, or agreed to that, really should think about what they're doing.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, it was a debate agreed to by President Biden first, who proposed this debate.
	Yikes.
	Thank God we did not have moderators doing fact-checking on the fly.
	I gotta tell you, I claimed a mild I-told-you-so leading up to the debate, saying, look, I know it's Jake Tapper.
	I know it's Dana Bash.
	I know it's CNN.
	They all hate him.
	But I think they might actually be unsurprisingly good behavior.
	And look at that.
	They kind of were.
	I think they're trying to maintain some shred of their reputation.
	But look, you can't.
	And as Mr. Clyburn, listen, be careful what you wish for.
	If you realize, and I know at some point there'll be a debate that where somebody might actually fact check Biden.
	We don't have time to fact check Biden with some of the whoppers that he told, and there is nothing that will erase the memory.
	One of my favorite debate moments from Thursday night.
	Let us relive it.
	Move until we get the total ban on the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more border patrol and more asylum officers.
	President Trump?
	I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence.
	I don't think he knows what he said either.
	I mean, there you are.
	I don't know what he said.
	I don't think he knows what he said either.
	Mr. President, I think you are right.
	So, I don't know exactly what's going to be in the news between now and when we're together tomorrow, but I have a feeling of what the broad categories will be.
	We'll take a look at the wild and panicked reaction of the left when the Supreme Court By the way, it's a common thread.
	The Supreme Court does things that are constitutional, like getting rid of Roe v. Wade, the Dobbs ruling, and they freak out.
	Gets rid of affirmative action because it is racial discrimination, and they freak out.
	If the left is freaking out, it means the Supreme Court did the right thing.
	We'll take a look at all the overnight news, talk about it tomorrow on America First with Dr. Sebastian Gorka.
	Mark Davis filling in.
	Thank you, Eric and Alex and the whole team back at headquarters.
	Have a fantastic rest of your day.

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