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June 26, 2024 - Sebastian Gorka
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Sebastian Gorka LIVE: CIA contractors part of Hunter Biden laptop hoax
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Uh, who is that a recording of, Eric?
Who is that?
That is the soon-to-be ex-Congressman, Jamal Bowman.
What?!
I thought he said, we're soon gonna tell the world who we are, we're gonna be winners.
What happened last night?
I guess the voters decided to tell him who he was and he lost his primary challenge to Westchester County Executive George Latimer by a staggering, right now with 84% of the vote in, 17 points.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
The guy who had AOC jumping around like she had ants in her pants and screaming to a Cardi B song, you mean that didn't make him win?
That might have actually shifted a few more votes against him, if anything.
I mean, he was already doomed, it seems, with, yeah, his anti-Semitism, his hatred of Israel, but, and like I said, that rage, you're seeing him slamming a store out, that's because he knew he was going to lose, and that was just him venting it all out, I think.
Wow, that's, but hang on, this is, this is confusing, because this is like, um, near Pelham, this is not far from the Bronx.
Are you telling me the people of New York pitched a black Jew hater.
Instead, they chose an old white guy?
I guess so.
What?
Does that mean the people of New York are racists?
Maybe they are.
And maybe, who knows?
Maybe that's a good sign for November.
Who knows?
I just love, for those who can't see the footage, there was some, you know, paid supporter there in a t-shirt holding a sign saying, Jews for Jamal.
I'm thinking, what kind of person Who knows?
This is the Democrat congressman who said the rape and murder of the women and the children on October the 7th in Israel didn't happen.
Mm-hmm.
And you're gonna say, juice for Jamal?
Good riddance to you filth, Jamal Bowman.
The man who says, I don't know what a fire alarm does when I pull it.
A member allegedly of the squad is now unemployed.
Maybe he can become a fire marshal or something.
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This is from the House Judiciary Committee.
Do you remember the letter of the 51 intelligence authorities, people who worked for the CIA, ran the CIA?
It has now been revealed, thanks to the House Judiciary Committee.
Well, let me just read from this report.
Forget Dominion voting machines.
Even forget the pristine ballots and the cardboard over the windows and the kicking out the GOP poll watchers.
This is the most obvious way they stole the election.
The Hunter Biden laptop story was real.
They'd spent a year vetting it at the New York Post.
And it was suppressed.
51 members of the intelligence community, former directors of the CIA, said what in an open letter?
This is Russian disinformation.
We now know from polling that at least, at least 10 percent of the Democrat voters who
elected Joe Biden would not have voted for him had they known that this was, in fact,
a real laptop and the details of the business dealings—Hunter Biden, Ukraine, China—if
that had been verified, they would not have chosen his father for president.
But the plot thickens.
High-ranking CIA officials, up to and including then-CIA Director Gina Haspel, were made aware
of the Hunter Biden 51 statement prior to its approval and publication.
Approval by who?
Let me continue.
Because several former security intelligence senior intelligence officials signed the statement, the PCRB, that is the Publication Review Bureau, that's the CIA office that if you want to write a memoir has to clear or censor your documents.
This is the CIA.
The CIA's PCRB Sent the draft statement to the CIA's then-Chief Operating Officer, Andrew Macaridis, who said that he subsequently informed then-CIA Director Haspel, or then-Director Deputy, Vaughan Frederick Bishop, that the statement was about to be issued.
Senior CIA leadership had an opportunity at the time to slow down the CIA's approval process for the publication submission and ensure that such an extraordinary statement was properly vetted.
They refused to do so.
The Judiciary Committee continues.
Some of the 51 signatories to the statement, including Mike Murrell, We're on active contract with the CIA at the time of the Hunter Biden statement's publication.
They weren't retired and have left the organization.
They had contracts and clearances and were still working for the CIA.
So this means that there is government collusion.
Throughout the course of the committee's investigation, the signatories claimed not to have had access to any classified information when asserting the allegations around Hunter Biden's laptop that it had been Russian disinformation.
However, at the time of the statement's publication, at least two signatories, Murrell and former CIA Inspector General David Buckley, were on the CIA's payroll as contractors.
There you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
The election was stolen.
That incredibly damaging set of information about the business dealings of the Biden family, the millions of dollars flowing from China, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Russia, into the 21 shell companies that belong to Joe, to Hunter, to Jim, to Frank, was suppressed By people who weren't just former government employees of the intelligence community, but who were actively working for the CIA, had clearances and even green, so-called green card passes to CIA headquarters.
The Deep State is real.
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Alright, let's get down to business.
I read this thing that really shouldn't shock us, but What are other words to describe active members of the CIA signing a lying document about the Hunter Biden laptop being Russian disinformation?
What is the technical term for that?
You can go with treason or sedition.
I'm going to pick one.
It doesn't matter.
I mean, you get the element of, are we at war with anyone?
The bottom line, when our intelligence agencies are operating inside the United States to influence an election, and let's be clear, Hiding Hunter's Laptop, Google that, you'll come up with our little video we did on it.
Hiding Hunter's Laptop.
Hiding Hunter's Laptop, you'll find it, was the largest conspiracy to influence an election in US history.
So this is, let's stop there for a second, because there's all this kind of, okay, so the court cases here, the voter rolls, the pristine ballots, the Zuckerberg with his $400 million for the drop boxes in deaf McCarrick districts, the Dominion voting.
Okay.
Yeah, there's enough evidence of all of that.
But this alone, if we now have the evidence, which we do, that at least double digits of Democrats would not have voted for Biden if they had known the Hunter Biden laptop story was true, they stole the election with that statement, did they not?
Absolutely did.
It worked.
That's the problem.
It absolutely worked because they took it out of the public eye.
The public had a right to know.
It went directly to Joe Biden's corruption.
Because everything in Hunter's laptop points to multiple felonies between Joe and Hunter And we're not talking about gun purchases.
No, we're talking about Joe would take Hunter on Air Force Two on sales trips.
Hunter would sell access to Joe to foreigners.
Joe would take meetings with those foreigners.
That's multiple felonies.
And the point, the people, you have to read the law on public corruption, but even if
policies didn't change, it's irrelevant.
If you're selling the appearance of access, that in and of itself is a felony.
You say, hey, daddy can fix that, and you take money, whether or not daddy does anything
is irrelevant, Jim.
Right, and there's evidence that Joe took meetings.
So there's emails going back and forth between Hunter's partners saying, hey, did we get that meeting with the Vice President's office?
Yes, we did.
For our client.
That's a felony violation for every single phone call, every single meeting, and all the money they took.
So, yeah, that was hidden from the public because they knew it would influence votes as the polling showed.
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Don't go anywhere, Randy, David, Antoinette, Brent.
But let's stay on this broader question of information operations, like the Hunter laptop.
What are you expecting in the next three and a half months?
Because the Democrats aren't just going to do the Zuckerberg thing around the election.
They're going to try and drop something, aren't they?
You know, they figured they would have Trump in shackles by now.
I think the big one they're hoping all their stuff and they're going to focus around is July 11th.
Yeah, the sentencing.
So, I honestly think they're crazy to put him in jail.
I think it's pretty clear then he would win, right?
I mean, Americans love an outlaw.
Yeah, and that's just it.
Nobody believes, other than the true believers on their side, that he's guilty of all the crap.
They know it's political.
They can't even tell you what it is.
No, they can't.
The most fun thing is when somebody says he's a criminal.
Okay, what's the crime?
I did this on BBC TV, and they can't tell you.
The host can't tell you.
Well, he's guilty.
The court said so.
Okay, madam, what's the crime?
Well, the crime's being Donald John Trump and running for president.
So beyond that, in the information operations domain, what do you think is the likelihood of another October surprise kind of event?
I've been looking, you know, the thing is, I think they played their hand early.
You know, I mean, okay, they're the Democrats, you know, and the last time, like the Hunter laptop was defense in their team.
So that was our team.
A Russia collusion was offense way back when.
Yeah, and they went back to it.
So I don't know, you know, Putin's always good fair game.
I don't know how they can win another election without bringing Vlad into play.
Do you think they're really going to do that again?
I think they're addicted to it.
They're like junkies.
All right, so Russia-Russia collusion.
My expectation is they put him in prison or at least house arrest.
What do you think?
If they do, doesn't the Supreme Court have to say this is garbage?
Yeah, there'd have to be an emergency session.
Yeah, and I think that's what they want.
Because what they want, then they're fighting again against the Supreme Court.
To attack the justices again.
Yeah, exactly.
We have to have, because we can't afford to let Trump deport three more justices because they'll take away all the rights and everyone will be in internment camps.
Which they did to Trump.
So it doesn't have to be logical, but that's what they're going to argue.
Our presidents have done that to Japanese Americans.
Gee, weird, isn't it?
They seem to project all of their bad ideas on us.
But I think that's where they'll focus their efforts.
If they do anything and force the Supreme Court to stop it, then they've got their issue.
Yeah, because they want to take over that third element of government.
Yeah, then they've got it all.
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So, debate.
Should he play nice?
Is it for the medal?
Who's the audience?
He should be nice.
Because, I mean, he's beating up on a crippled old guy.
What if Crippled Old Guy is so amped up on Mountain Dew and amphetamines?
Everybody knows he's still Crippled Old Guy.
The one thing, the one time he needs to get in is the second Biden mentions anything about crimes is, well, you know, unlike you, I wasn't adjudicated as being too feeble to face charges.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.
That's one where you take, that's your shot at him being weak after that.
Does he mention by a hunter?
No.
Doesn't gain anything by it.
I mean, it's two things.
Gas, groceries, you know, and go from there.
You know, weren't things better?
Don't you remember the good old days?
The Trump old days?
Play for Jim, the Van Jones thing.
This is absolutely crazy if you missed this.
Eric, will you play Van Jones for Jim?
Will you just play Van Jones?
And part of the thing is, we're living in the United States of amnesia.
People really just don't remember how awful and terrible the Trump days were.
I mean, there was a reason that he got voted out.
And so now there's this weird kind of nostalgia for the Trump days, which if you look back at any of the headlines or any of what was going on, nobody was happy during that period of time.
Nobody was happy during the Trump years.
A weird kind of nostalgia.
Isn't that amazing?
Show me two gas pumps.
You know, show me the same gas pump in four years apart, and shut up.
That guy's weird.
Every once in a while, he tries to be honest, and then he gets in trouble, and then he goes harder partisan.
So he must have said something logical that they hated, and he's like, oh, hold on.
Yeah, he goes to CPAC one year, and then he just goes crazy again.
These people, man.
You know what I'm loving?
I'm loving the Project 2025 freakout.
Yes.
Oh, my God.
Because, I mean, it actually It's a thing.
It's real.
You know, there are executive orders, there's people, there's a plan.
We just need to make sure it's enough people.
Yeah, it's pretty extensive.
I was talking to, I know a couple of people on the personnel side of it, and they got pretty much everybody.
Yeah, and they're vetting them?
Yeah, and they have been for a while, and they're putting together packets.
You know, so they're going to have everything ready to go.
As opposed to last time when it was nothing.
What I hope, and I haven't actually been a part of it, I was last time, is the kill lists.
The shut them down, fire them lists.
The kill lists.
I just said that on Rumble.
It's not actually killing them, Media Matters.
Media Matters.
Get typing.
Get busy.
Well, there was this guy who was interviewed on Newsmax who's from this outfit I'd never heard before.
Did you hear about this guy?
Looked like Santa Claus.
Oh, the one who's supposed to be doing the... Identifying the hundred worst seditionists.
Yeah, using social media.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This is unprecedented.
No one's ever done this.
of the American Academy of...
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Well, if I may correct you in a number of regards.
Number one, with respect to the people from Central Asia, we have no evidence that they are individuals plotting to harm the United States.
That is inaccurate.
It's very important to note that the safety and security of the American people are Don't worry about it, we have no information that these people from dodgy countries mean us any harm.
of derogatory information. We take enforcement action. We are proceeding with extreme caution
here in the service of the security and safety of the American people.
Don't worry about it. We have no information that these people from dodgy countries mean
us any harm because we had so much information about the 19 hijackers before 9-11. That's
why we arrested them, right? Right, Alejandro Mayorkas?
Which is weird, because our colleague Eric has just written this piece for American Greatness.
A new report claims that over 400 illegal aliens have been smuggled into the United States by...
ISIS!
Well, isn't that interesting?
I wonder if they're just here for, like, holidays or, you know, student exchange programs.
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Well, we've got the perfect guest, Jim Hansen.
He is, of course, the chief mufti, the chief editor at the Middle East Forum.
No evidence.
I mean, there's no evidence because we've done such thorough vetting of these people, right?
I mean, they go on to the CBP One app and they say, my name is Mickey Mouse.
I'm an asylum seeker.
And then they show the phone when they cross the border, which means they're not a terrorist, right Jim?
That's how it works.
That's exactly how it works.
I have a crazy idea.
I don't know, you know, this is just, bear with me for a moment.
What if, instead of saying, we're going to let anybody who can manage to make it to our southern border in, because we can't find anything bad about them, what if they have to prove that they're somehow of value, or they have merit, or there's a reason?
You bigot.
I don't care what flavor they are, as long as it's a tasty flavor.
You know, I don't care who they are.
I'll let in anybody with skills.
I had a buddy in my unit.
So, you know, I was in the reserves in the UK.
Super smart guy.
He was a financial advisor in his day job, and then he was in the military intelligence unit with me.
We were the same squad members.
Squad 45, you remember Selwyn.
And he, after I left the UK, he emigrated to Australia with his wife and his kids.
Dude, the story he told me?
About the hoops?
He had to actually prove that he brought something to Australia that somebody else who was in Australia couldn't do.
Weird.
What racists?
Yeah.
Who's a white guy?
You gotta be racist against white guys.
Those are the only ones worth being racist to at this point.
But then, I mean, merit-based beats anything else.
And it's just another example of the fact that they're just whistling past the graveyard on who they've let in.
They know they've let in terrorist cells.
Okay, so this is what blows my mind because you and I know that if we were in his position and we open the spigots to let in millions, you and I, because we've got three brain cells, know that there are hundreds if not thousands of terrorists, enemy agents, covert assets coming to the country.
He knows.
He knows it's coming, but he's still doing it.
What kind of person can do that for political reasons?
He knows!
Sociopaths.
I mean, that's what they are.
There's a sociopathic element to the left, and it's a quasi-religious thing, because for them, politics is a replacement for actual religion, because they don't believe in God.
So they replace it with the idea that anything they do is for the greater good.
Therefore, they don't have to worry about this, because they're serving a higher purpose.
And it's sickening, but it explains, look at all the things they're willing to do that a sociopath would be 100% happy to do.
There really is no other explanation.
They are sociopaths.
All right, we've got 30 seconds left.
We're chatting in the break on Rumble.
President Trump's play tomorrow.
Is the audience the middle, the undecided?
Does he play nice?
I want sweetness and light.
Happy Trump.
I want remember the good old days.
Bring back $1.89 gasoline.
You know, do you remember when you could buy Pop-Tarts?
You know, wasn't that a great time?
There is so much there that he can talk about that one shot.
You got to take the shot that Biden was too feeble to be prosecuted.
Unlike me.
That's the one thing you want to hear, right?
If he comes after Trump as a felon and says, well at least I wasn't too senile to be charged like you.
Bingo.
And then you smile, you know?
But I want happy Trump.
Will you do me a favor, Jimbo?
Will you tweet that out so I can retweet it?
Absolutely.
I think we need to send that message to Mar-a-Lago because that would be a rather good message.
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Hey, I'd like Trump, see what you think about this, you know, like Mr. Hanson was just saying,
go sweet and nice, don't be mean to Biden.
To go after Tapper and Dana Bash, He's going to be debating three people anyway.
Direct his questions to them, maybe, and say, Hey, have you guys ever thought of asking Joe about this, about that?
And when they start up on him, maybe a little below the belt, but they deserve it because of, you know, Jake Tapper saying, I've opened up Mein Kampf.
And this is just what Donald Trump said, you know, calling Trump Hitler time and time again.
Maybe bring up Dana.
You know, your then husband was one of the 51 intelligence officials that made up those lies about me.
What about that?
You know, if it were me, you know me, I'd do that.
I wouldn't take any prisoners.
I'd go for the jugular.
But look, we've got so many people on our side already.
Not just the MAGA base, but the people from Philly, from Detroit, from the Bronx, from New Jersey.
I think the key now is to win it in the middle.
It's the undecided.
It's the dependents.
It's independents.
It's the Democrats who are questioning Biden.
I'm not sure going full throttle berserker is going to be the way to win them.
So I think, look, it's not what I would do because, hey, that's not who I am.
But I think Jim is right.
Softly, softly, catchy monkey, as the British phrase goes.
Be less aggressive.
And allow Biden to fall into the own pitfalls, his own traps, and let Bash and Tapper demonstrate their own biases through the words that come out of their mouth.
That's just my take for now, but I may change my mind.
Thank you, Randy.
Let's go to David Scottsdale, Arizona.
Hey, Sebastian.
How you doing?
Good, good, good, good.
How we doing in Arizona?
Oh, it's very toasty, Sebastian.
Thank you.
Yeah, it's a bit bloody hot here in the swamp.
What's your question?
What's your comment?
So I have a theory of what's going to happen tomorrow night during the debate.
And I think this is a divisive idea made up at Camp David this week.
Here's my theory.
Go ahead.
I think during one of the questions Jake Tapper is going to ask, if Joe's literally stumbling and falling mentally and physically, Jamal Bowman runs out and hits the fire alarm and the whole thing goes off.
Okay, David.
Thank you kindly.
Thank you.
I think Jamal Bowman will hopefully disappear into the wilderness after his trouncing yesterday.
Is it Thursday?
It's not Thursday.
I'm really confused.
Who let Antoinette onto the call board?
Antoinette, line five.
Hey, Dr. G, I only did this because tomorrow is going to be a crazy bloody day.
Correct.
You are a wise lady.
I wanted to say, first off, I'm going to be with you and all the other patriots in spirit on your cruise.
I was going to go, but things kind of happened, so not this time.
Another time I'll go to Alaska or wherever you guys go.
You broke my heart, Antoinette.
I'm sorry.
I thought for sure I was going to, but things came up.
But listen, when you go to CNN at the studios tomorrow, because I've been there, just be very careful.
And the jackass Gavin Newsom is going to be there as well.
All they do is lie and blame us.
But you be strong.
You watch your back.
And for the President, and may our Lord Jesus protect both of you, okay?
I love you guys.
That's very kind.
Don't go anywhere.
I have to ask you, since you're on the line and we may not talk tomorrow, who do you want for the Veep pick, Antoinette?
There's two.
Byron from Florida or Tim Scott.
Do you really think Tim Scott's got the Q-Factor, the pizzazz?
Well, put it this way, Tim is just too nice.
Yes.
Byron, you know, I didn't know him as well as I have now discovered him even more and more.
All right, I'm going to give 80% to Byron, 20% to Tim Scott.
And what do you like about Byron?
Well, he seems to be more matter-of-fact and will throw a punch or two and that's what we need.
We cannot be wishy-washy.
We gotta hit it, go and protect.
And you think he could be the man in 2028 to carry the America First torch forward to build the new MAGA movement after a second presidential term from Donald Trump?
Believe it or not, he has grown so much, so well.
Yes, I do, Dr. G. I really do.
But he definitely is a great patriot as Senator Tim Scott.
But like I said, watch your back tomorrow.
I've been to those studios there at CNN back in the late 90s.
So just watch your back, OK?
Always.
We're always frosty here on America First.
Yeah, I like Barron Donalds too.
And President Trump, what a genius, playing with the media like a cat with a mouse, saying, I've made my decision, and I'm not going to tell you yet, but the individual I've chosen will be out of the debate.
So the cameras will be panning to see who's in the building tomorrow night.
We will have wall-to-wall coverage on television, on the Salem News Channel, on Heroku, your Fire Stick, or if you download the Salem News Channel app and also on Salem Radio across the nation.
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Oh, that's great, sir.
And listen, what do we do at Hezbollah, sir?
What's the plan?
And I know you don't want to give away all the strategy, but I'm sure you've got an idea of the way you would handle that.
Well, it's Hamas.
It's Hezbollah.
It's 28 different cells of terror, they call them.
And, again, Iran was busted.
They had no money when I was president.
Now they have a lot of money, $250 billion.
So it's different.
But you handle situations as you handle them.
You got to be respected throughout all the world.
You have to be respected.
I hate to use the word feared, but that's not so bad either.
And once we get it going and once we're In power.
And we have to be because we're not going to have a country left.
If we don't win this election, November 5th, if we don't win this election, we won't have a country left, Corey.
We're not going to have a country.
And you know that better than anybody.
We are laughed at.
They think we're fools.
They can't believe that Biden is the president.
And we're going to turn that around.
We're going to turn it around very fast.
We don't win on November 5th, we won't have a nation left.
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Greetings, my friend.
Hello, Great Gorka.
What would you like to discuss today?
Well, I wanted to wish you, your muse, and our warrior princess, Jennifer Horne, a blessed bon voyage, and hope your trip is not only fun, relaxing, and naturally inspirational, but spiritually transcendent.
And for one subject of conversation I hope you will seriously consider for your seminar at sea, is the tragic rise and current state of America's elite, entitled, perversely privileged, hateful, and heartless women, who today have chosen to detest and disdain the true love, wisdom, and warmth that God has placed into their souls, and has ripped them out of their being.
Yeah, we're going to be facing in the next 10 years such a reckoning for women who are in their 30s and early 40s today who have been sold a bill of goods under feminism that will never bring them joy and has just made them misunderstand the relationship between man and woman.
How that society in those years to come will face that conundrum is impossible to tell, but we need to get back to basics.
God bless you, Brendan.
Thank you for your kind words.
Yes, we will be joining 410 of our listeners soon, along with Jan, Katie, Chris de Gaulle, Mike Gallagher, and I'm excited.
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Oh, I like that.
Who did that line?
That woman should work in radio.
Maybe she does.
Maybe she's the hardest-working woman in radio, my colleague from the West Coast, my wife's co-host on her podcast, and my holiday partner, along with Katie Christagal, my Galaga, the one and only Jennifer Horne!
I am all packed up and ready to head to Alaska.
Are you ready to go?
No, no, no, no.
We don't leave until Friday.
Are you like one of these people, like my daughter, who's, like, packed a week before?
Actually, I'll start stressing tomorrow.
So tomorrow's going to be a busy day.
I've got the morning answer that I'll be running home to try to pack because then, of course, we've got debate coverage, which I know you're going to be doing, I'm going to be doing.
So we're going to try to get it in there.
It's going to be fine.
We've got laundry on the ship if there's a real problem.
This is true, this is true.
I can't believe I'm going to say this.
I'm actually excited to go on a cruise.
I never thought in my life on this earth, on this mortal coil, I would say that.
But it's with you, it's with Katie, it's with amazing, amazing Salem superheroes and 410 of our listeners.
Does it get better than that?
Oh, and a lot of cigars.
That's what I heard.
Okay.
I saw a little cigar activity with Chris Stegall.
That'll be fun.
I might have to sneak in.
You never know.
We'll let you in.
We'll let you in.
All right.
I've got so many things I want to share with you.
Things I want to talk about.
We've got the debate tomorrow.
But first, I want to continue the discussion I had in the control room because Two of my staff members just went completely off the reservation and they said that Doug Burgum's going to be the vice president and I just started screaming uncontrollably.
Like Jamal Bowman, I just picked up a chair and started smashing it on the floor of the studio.
I've said the following.
I've been told who it will be.
I have no idea if the president has changed his mind and I said the following, I have no idea what former boss is going to choose because that's who he is.
He'll make a decision and it might be out of the blue.
Let me ask you, Jennifer Horne, who would you like to see in the number two slot?
Well, if it were my choice, which it's not, but if it were my choice, I love Byron Donalds.
I think he'd be great.
I know he's on the list.
I love Dr. Ben Carson.
Of course, I think he brings a sense of seriousness.
I've always said, either Huckabee, Sarah or Mike, I would be all about that.
And I've always loved, I just have a soft spot for Tim Scott, too.
Why?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I just think he's, like, a good one.
You know what I mean?
Like, I think he's a good guy.
He's too nice.
He's too nice.
I know.
That's why I said I have a soft spot for him.
What about Ted Nugent?
Oh, or Kid Rock!
How about that?
But you know what I have to say, just for a second?
I know you're going to agree with me, and that is the brilliance of President Trump.
The way that he knows, I mean, what he's done by dangling this carrot for the American people.
First, he knows everybody's going to be watching this debate.
It's going to be, I predict, and I don't love predictions, but I think it's going to be the most watched presidential debate in history.
Correct.
I think it'll beat Hillary and Trump.
And I think that he knows that no matter what, if he brings this VP, and I think he'll probably announce it during the debate, he guarantees himself that he's just manufactured the headline that will run, because you know the news media is going to be looking for something.
So I didn't even think of that, but the first thing, just the sheer genius that he says in an interview, I've decided, but I'm not telling you, but they'll be there during the debate.
Who just understands?
That's like Andrew Breitbart levels of understanding how the media works and getting tens of millions of hundreds of millions of dollars of free advertising.
Yeah.
And here's the other beauty of it.
If he thinks that there's something that the media can create a nasty headline with, he can announce it and then he's guaranteed created his own headline if you wanted to announce it during the debate.
So there's always that going on.
I think he knows what, I really don't think the vice presidential pick matters much for
President Trump.
We've talked about that before.
It's not like you need a state delivered or you need something delivered.
It's a binary choice on November.
You just want someone who's not going to cause a lot of trouble.
Now, I will admit I have not been hot on the idea of Senator Vance for a while.
Ooh, ooh, ooh.
Oh, okay, okay.
Tell me why.
But only for two reasons and nothing really personal, actually.
Two reasons is just the first one.
I think Trump loyalists go, ooh, well, he wasn't always a Trump guy, but he has changed his tune.
But I just feel like it is a risky scenario to pick someone in the Senate because it is so closely divided.
And that's the only reason.
I think that J.D.
Vance is great.
And I think that he also brings a lot of positives, which is that he can talk to the blue collar people and he can talk to the Wall Street investors.
He's young.
He's got great energy.
He's extremely smart and he knows how to fundraise.
So I don't think he's a bad choice.
And from what I'm hearing, I mean, I'm not giving anything away because I have nobody telling me, whispering in my ear, but it seems that it's his to lose right now.
Who's?
Vance's?
Don't you think?
That's an interesting way of thinking about it.
Let me ponder that.
Nice dodge!
Look at that!
Look at those tap shoes, Dr. G!
I like that!
Hey!
No, I'm being serious.
I do, you know, always have an opinion, except when somebody as smart as I comes on the air and gives me something new to think about.
And seriously, I'm not tap dancing.
So much... I've got to play some amazing cuts for you, but first, I'm just... What the heck is going on in Oakland?
Why was this mayor arrested by the FBI?
Do you have any tips for us?
Any exclusives you can give us?
Pretty much, I know what has been reported, and that's that her house was totally tossed by the FBI.
There is a company, it's like California Waste Resources or something, I'm just going by
memory, I could have that a little wrong, but there are two lobbyists, a guy and his
son who are, I guess, being charged with laundering money through a political pact, basically
avoiding some of the campaign finance laws, and that he had a lot of relationships with
a lot of Democrats, including the mayor of Oakland, who this just never looks good.
Her house gets tossed by the FBI, and then her lawyer quit yesterday or the day before.
So the lawyer's out, she says she's innocent, but if you look at these two individuals that
they're investigating, Seb, they are tied to everybody in the Democrat Party, especially
California Democrats.
They're tied to Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, but also Javier Becerra, our Attorney General,
Rob Bonta, Gavin Newsom, and it's all up there on Instagram.
You can see all of the people that he's been donating to and who he's been, you know, smiling and hobnobbing with.
I'm very intrigued to see what they find out and if there was any wrongdoing and if this was something that was known by these powerful politicians he was working with.
Don't you mean Javier Baqueria?
The Biden pronunciation?
Yes.
My Secretary of Health, Mr. Baqueria.
What was her rep?
Was there any stench of corruption before the raid?
Well, Oakland.
I mean, she's had some stuff, some smoke around her for a while now.
And Oakland, as you know, has become just a I mean, just a wasteland.
And you've even had the ACLU in Oakland ask for help because they said they got it wrong when they asked for the police to be defunded after George Floyd during 2020.
And so they've asked for help now.
That's how bad Oakland has become.
So I think that this is the cleansing, maybe, of Oakland so that it can get back to at least what it was before all of this.
All right, let's get back to the debate.
Let's get one of our colleagues in trouble.
Hugh Hewitt was discussing the debate and the hosts of the debate, and he had something a little outré to say.
Cut six.
The former president is very, very relaxed going into this debate.
I watched him do the all-in podcast.
I've interviewed him a number of times.
I'm not worried about him.
I'm worried about the president living up to the expectations that he's the commander-in-chief and leader of the free world.
I'm not that worried he's going to fall over or anything like that.
I will say, I don't share concerns about CNN or Jake and Dan.
I work with them on debates in 2015 and 2016, four with Dan and two with Jake.
And they're professional.
They're professional because Jake Tapper says that Donald Trump is Hitler, literally, and Dana Bash's husband was Obama's chief of staff for the CIA, and one of the signatories to the 51 Hunter Biden's laptop isn't real letter.
So Hugh's completely, completely correct here, right Jim?
Oh yeah, they're professional, professional hack journalists.
I mean, give me a break.
I was, you know, obviously this week after watching, and I know you had Caroline Levin on, who I think does a great job for President Trump.
When she got cut off of CNN, I started, obviously all the videos came out about the things that Jake Tapper and Dana Bash have said about President Trump.
Anybody who thinks that this is going to be a fair matchup is crazy.
But you know what?
I don't even think it matters because the people are going to be watching Joe Biden.
Here's the question.
We've got 30 seconds left.
We've been debating this all day.
Does the president play nice because we've got to bring over the middle and the undecideds, or does he go pitbull?
Well, you know what I like.
I know what I like, but what should he do?
I think he needs to actually focus on the issues, focus on what's moving forward, but throw a few punches.
And I think that they should be well landed because he has been through it and he deserves to throw at least a few.
Perfect.
She's tap dancing.
She's a diplomat.
I did.
A little bit of this, a little bit of that.
I'm a twinkle toes, are you kidding?
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Oh, can you guys fix this screen?
What was I going to say to Jen?
Oh, can you guys fix this screen?
I don't have Skype on the little screen.
So are you a last minute packer like I am or not?
Yeah, no, I will definitely be throwing things in Friday morning.
I'm gonna try to make sure everything's like laundered and everything's ready to go tomorrow, so Friday morning I can pack and go.
Are you a light packer or are you like several suitcases?
Oh no, I'm gonna really try to contain it to one, but I feel like we have speaking outfits, we have excursion outfits, and we have a couple of formal outfits, so I'm gonna do my best.
I'm gonna do my best.
I don't know, how about you?
Are you a light packer?
I never ever check luggage.
Oh my, are you going to do that for the cruise?
That's so brave.
No, I'm not.
Because Katie's gonna, we're traveling together, so there's no point.
I mean, even if I go away for a week, I'll do it in carry-on.
I'll have two carry-ons, but there's no point.
That's impressive.
But you know what?
Yeah, if you have to wait for Katie to get her bag.
I've traveled through, you know, Charles de Gaulle Airport, you know, so I've traveled through Miami.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever pack a bag.
Jeff is like three days.
He should have been back here at work on Tuesday.
He's had four flights canceled from the Bahamas.
He missed his flight to Miami.
He finally got there.
Now he has to go through North Carolina to get back to Baltimore.
He's with his whole family.
It's like, that's why you don't pack a bag.
That's why you don't.
Exactly.
You can take your stuff and go.
You bringing Dramamine?
Would you like me to bring you some?
I don't do drugs.
It's not drugs, is it?
Do we consider that drugs?
I do cigars.
Cigar.
Oh, I'm bringing patches, too.
I'm a little, yeah.
Do you get seasick?
Well, I get motion sick.
And on the way up to Seattle, as I recall, the second day of cruising, the day that we're at sea when we get up to Alaska out of Seattle, it can be a little choppy.
So, yeah.
I've been to the drugstore just in case.
No, I don't get seasick, so I'll be good.
Oh, that's good.
Good.
I've been on my brother-in-law's deep fishing thing at 24 knots on waves.
Oh, if you can do that.
I mean, literally, you thought the hull was going to crash, smash in with everyone.
If you can do that, then you're going to be fine in a cruise ship, because the cruise ships do not move like that, hopefully.
The only thing when it gets a little bit dicey is when you're down below, it's hot, and the diesel Volvo engines, the smell of the diesel, the heat, that's when it gets a little dicey, but I doubt when the cruise ship will be near to the engines.
Let's just hope.
I think that's a good goal.
We want to stay away from those.
No, it should be fun.
Yeah, Katie needs a break.
She's been working like a dog.
One minute.
Oh, and I talked to her yesterday.
She's like, I just need a change of scenery.
That's good.
This will be it.
All right, so I'll try and get Carville and Whoopi in here.
Five to seven.
You want to come in with something?
They're both about 30.
Oh yeah, come in with one!
That's just like, just so bloody left field.
Alright, come in with cut one.
This is the B segment.
Oh, and I need if you have the Skype for a lieutenant governor.
Uh...
I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to get a job.
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God bless.
Without the freedom of speech, we have no democracy.
We have no transparency.
We don't know who the government is killing, and we don't know when the government is lying.
The Pentagon Papers case should have no exemption to it.
Julian Assange is a national hero.
I am elated that he is free, but I'm crushed that the Feds got their pound of flesh with this meaningless sham guilty plea for a crime we all know he didn't commit.
What a complete lunatic.
I'm not even going to talk about why Judge Napolitano had to leave Fox, but seriously?
There's nothing that should be classified?
That's what Julian Assange's philosophy was.
Nothing.
Not nuclear launch codes.
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What on earth?
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I didn't prep you for this.
We've got other stuff to talk about.
Julian Assange, do you have an opinion either way?
Oh, I sure do.
I actually—you know, first of all, I would like to say, Judge Napolitano seems, like, totally off the rails.
I'd kind of forgotten about him.
But Julian Assange—I love a whistleblower.
I love—I want more transparency with our government.
But what Julian Assange did was putting American military lives at risk.
He was putting us all at risk.
And he needed to pay for that.
There is a line between being a whistleblower And that's the difference with Julian Assange.
And so I know a lot of people struggle.
Is he a hero or is he a villain?
Look, we can celebrate whistleblowers, we can celebrate more transparency, and we can do that all while trying to keep our military safe.
Yeah, if you have real whistleblowers like the FBI whistleblowers, sure, if you are uncovering corruption and crimes, but to say you build a whole website on the premise that nothing should be classified, you're a flipping lunatic.
What's worse than a lunatic?
James Carville.
James Carville thinks that this is funny.
He's talking about Steve Bannon.
Cut five.
Well, he's going to have four months to contemplate everything, but I think whoever his cellmate is can make a good Eighth Amendment case.
If you remember that from Moscow, that's cruel and unusual punishment.
Yeah, I know the Amendment.
You have to be in the cell and smell this guy.
I think that's something out of some North Korean torture chamber.
But he's going to have a lot of time to think about 2020 and his past life and whatever the future holds, because he's going to the penitentiary.
Bannon's cellmate won't be able to put up with the stench.
There's the man who I have not seen do an interview in the last two years not wearing
the same ratty baseball cap and the same LSU sweatshirt every single stinking time.
That's Carville.
But it gets worse.
Here's Whoopi Goldberg doing something that I wouldn't do when I was discussing her or
any Democrat.
Play cut.
I think it would be remiss of us to not say Joe Biden knows how to do this.
Yes, he knows how to do this.
He's quite good at this.
And you know, you can't refute anything with him because he just when I say him, I mean
rambles Trump.
He tends to just.
But can I mention one thing?
Help is out there.
Did you say his name?
I said his name.
Yeah, it was a trick and it made me do it.
So Whoopi Goldberg spits on set after she says President Trump's name.
Her co-hosts giggle and the audience applauds.
What is it with you?
Where do they learn this, Jen?
They're despicable, hateful people.
And they're obviously miserable.
They know that they're time in office or the Democrats' time in office is limited.
They know that people are waking up.
And so instead of talking about why they might not like President Trump's policies, what
do they do?
They spit on the ground.
And I think it's interesting that both Whoopi Goldberg and James Carville are talking about
people's inability to either make points or their smells.
And you're right.
James Carville looks dirty.
He looks like he — I mean, way to dress up for being on television.
That's very respectful.
And Whoopi Goldberg spent her time rambling because she knows that Joe Biden can't do
anything to make a point.
And that's what people are going to be watching for.
The reason people will be watching this debate this week is because they know that he struggles
to make any point.
And so they just constantly gaslight the American people by saying it's Trump that's the one
that rambles on and that you can't refute anything that Biden says.
Give me a break!
That's exactly who Biden is, not Trump!
Yeah, yeah, absolutely so true.
All right, got to ask you, in the last couple of minutes we have left, July 13th, what are they going to do to the boss?
You know, it's hard to make a prediction.
I mean, I would imagine that they should let him campaign, but I would also imagine that they shouldn't have convicted him or even charged him with these felonies.
I think it's all nonsense and ridiculous.
I would imagine that this party is going to, it's got its hands all over Judge Marchand, and I would imagine that they're going to try to do everything they can to prevent him from campaigning.
And so I hope that it is not the case.
I don't know if Judge Mershawn has the backbone to send him to jail, but I wouldn't be surprised
if they do something like a house arrest.
And I think that, I don't think that's gonna damage President Trump's chances of getting in the office,
but I do think it is gonna be something that will have to be challenged,
because they are absolutely putting their thumb on the scale of our elections once again.
And it is corrupt, and it stinks, and it's gonna have to be challenged.
And I feel like there is going to be some consequence.
That's for sure.
I don't think they're just going to let him walk on this one because they are afraid of him.
You don't think it makes him even more popular?
Of course it does.
I don't think it hurts him at all.
I think even if he can't campaign, even if he is sitting in a jail cell, which God forbid, I can't believe I'm even saying this right now.
I do not want to see that.
But I don't think it hurts his campaign at all.
People know how bad Joe Biden is.
People know how bad and evilly corrupt the Democrat Party has become.
And people know what President Trump gave them for four years.
And I think that they're eager to get it back again.
And that means everybody, not just Republicans.
I think he's going to do well with black voters and Latino voters.
I think he's going to do well with young voters.
I think that if the election were held today, this would be over.
And I don't even think it would be close.
Yeah.
They really do not know what they're doing and that's excellent because they only make him stronger.
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After these appalling tragedies, very often for totally understandable reasons, the family, the parents, shun the limelight.
They just want to try and deal with what has happened to their children, but I have to give it to Alexis Nongare, I think also her sister as well.
They've spoken out publicly about the murder of their beautiful 12-year-old daughter, Jocelyn, and here she is talking about what those two illegals deserve.
Look at the people that are here.
They care about you.
What is your message as her mother to the justice system?
Please don't fail us.
Please don't let us down.
The city of Houston has done everything in their power to bring this to light and now it's just the system to do their part as well.
It's a community effort.
It's a partnership we all have to follow through and we all need to give them their punishments that they deserve because my baby didn't deserve this.
What do you hope that punishment is?
That they receive worse than what my daughter did.
Because she deserves to live and breathe every single day.
I was looking forward to seeing how beautiful she was going to grow up to be.
And I know God is real, God is good, and they will feel God's wrath.
Forever 12, she'll never be a teenager.
I hope it's on your shirt.
Forever 12, she'll never be a teenager.
So, she'll forever be 12.
Hard to follow that.
She'll never be 12.
A man who will be ex officio attending the funeral of that beautiful 12-year-old girl, Jocelyn Nungare, is the Lieutenant Governor of Texas, and we are honored to have him on the show today with us.
Lieutenant Governor Daniel Patrick, thank you for joining us.
Thank you, Sebastian.
I have been able to hold it together through this time, quite frankly.
On camera, at least.
But that sound bite, it just breaks your heart.
And you know, when you're the lieutenant governor of the state or governor of a state, you attend a lot of funerals.
And in my nine years as lieutenant governor, I've probably been to 40 or 50, whether it was a law enforcement officer killed in the line of duty, or one of the domestic shootings we've had, or a hurricane death.
We try to get to as many as we can.
And when young people are killed, It's always the hardest.
But in this case, the despicable things that they did to this little girl, Sebastian, are unspeakable.
This is the kind of crime you see, quite frankly, in third world countries and gang violence that's been imported here.
And her grandfather said yesterday that you just don't wake up and commit a crime like this.
This is something you've always done.
And so this underscores, and I don't want to make this political, but the fact is this little girl would be alive today, as would Rachel Moran, as would Lincoln Riley.
And that's just in the last month or so that we're aware of.
They would all be alive today if it weren't for Joe Biden and Mayorkas and Kamala Harris border policy.
That's just a fact.
If President Trump was president today, all three would be alive.
But these people who are coming in—again, I put the number at 12 to 15 million.
We'll never know because we don't see everyone.
Our border with Mexico, Sebastian, is 1,254 miles, I think, is the number.
That's longer than the distance from Atlanta, Georgia to Portland, Maine.
It's a big border.
We apprehend people.
We have gotaways.
But there are people that get in that we don't see over 1,254 miles.
Maybe the number is 15 million.
If it's just 2%, and I believe it's much higher, that are criminals and thugs and terrorists and isoscephalics, you name them, you're talking about 200 or 300 animals and criminals that want to kill Americans in our country.
Yeah, the point that Grandfather made is one that's been vexing me since we heard the details of this murder.
You know, 20-year-old men Just don't decide one day to brutally rape and strangle and throw in a ditch a child.
That's ingrained.
That's cultural.
That's something that is not a spur-of-the-moment activity.
And this administration has opened us up to that threat on a scale the likes of which we haven't seen before.
We're going to continue the discussion in a moment.
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The Mayorkas one you requested?
The one I requested.
Actually, play it now for the Lieutenant Governor.
Let him hear it now.
Immigration policies have been banned, ended, reversed, and if any investigations are underway, by you.
So we have rescinded so many Trump immigration policies, it would take so much time to list them.
Right.
What's the date on that interview?
That was 2021.
Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
How much time do we have for this segment?
This one's a little bit longer.
This is going to be about seven and a half minutes.
Okay.
Cause I want to, I want to talk about what happened to this girl because it's important for people to be as upset as we are.
And I would only do it, Sebastian, obviously, cause the parents, I can't tell you everything we know, but I can say enough just to remind people who are listening for the first time.
But I want to mention about, if you want to throw me a question on how should this play in the debate tomorrow.
I'll tee it up for you.
Can you just show the photographs of her as we're talking, Eric?
I've got to get them again.
Yeah, the three photographs.
And then if you could throw me, you know, A lot, you know, maybe at the end of that.
How do you think this will play in the debate tomorrow or can play?
I wanted to go to the debate.
I wanted to get your take on what you expect from the president.
That's exactly what I wanted to do.
I'll go through this part quickly so I don't... I know I was talking a little slowly the first time.
No, we'll have time.
It's a longer segment.
We'll have time and I don't have any commercial at the top.
Where is the funeral?
Is it in Houston?
It's in Houston.
Yeah.
It's in Houston.
One minute.
Yeah, but I hadn't heard that sound bite you played before.
And that's just heart-wrenching.
Heart-wrenching.
I mean, their lives have been forever altered as well.
Did she have siblings?
I don't know.
I think she has a sister, but I don't know.
I don't know.
It's just unspeakable.
Yeah, I can't imagine.
It's something you wouldn't watch in a movie, in a horror movie.
Right.
You'd turn your head away.
Not coming in with anything?
No.
Okay.
Just teeing up my orcas.
No, actually, come in with my orcas.
Come in with my list, okay. Yep, I'm coming.
Immigration.
Immigration policies have been banned.
Ended.
Reversed.
And if any investigations are underway by you.
Thank you.
So we have rescinded so many Trump immigration policies, it would take so much time to list them.
Three years ago, the man who's supposed to keep us safe, secure the border, the Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas, actually boasted, boasted about the number of things they have rescinded from when we were in the White House to dismantle the border regime.
That's how Jocelyn Nguere ends up raped and murdered in a ditch by two illegals from Venezuela.
That's how Rachel Morin, a mother of five, out jogging, is raped and murdered in Maryland.
That's how Laken Riley, a nursing student, 22 years old, is raped and murdered in Atlanta.
When will it stop?
And how horrific are these attacks?
Let's talk to the Lieutenant Governor of Texas who will be at the Noongaray funeral tomorrow.
Look, we're a live radio show.
I don't know who's listening right now, whether they're with, you know, their children or their grandmother, but what happened to this young girl is truly beyond the pale.
Is it not, Lieutenant Governor?
That it is, and these are hard things to talk about, but America Must know, and this family has been brave, as you said in the last segment, to speak out.
But this little girl, and we always have to say allegedly until you get to the courtroom, but, but we have them on tape seeing them lead her to the bridge and, and, and other evidence obviously coming forward.
But allegedly they took her to the bridge.
We believe they tied her ankles, tied her hands behind her.
There was a bite mark to one of these animals' arms, so she was, even though she couldn't move her arms or her hands weren't free, she was obviously fighting back.
The lab test, I don't know if they're conclusive yet on the rape, but she was stripped and we'll know very shortly if it hasn't been released this afternoon.
But they stripped her clothes, they strangled her, and then they just tossed her in the river like a rag doll who was just, you know, just a nothing.
These are animals, Sebastian, and what the people listening on the radio need to understand is that this could happen to your wife, your daughter, your mother, your grandmother.
It could happen to you.
The Biden administration, and when I hear Mayorkas, it just makes me sick.
You know, one of the questions I would have about that, Sebastian, is when he bragged about that, why were they even doing it?
What was the purpose?
Why would you repeal all these things that were actually securing our border?
I believe they want to take over the country, and this is all about getting voters to sign up one day, and it's the communist socialists left, etc., etc., etc.
But today, all I care about is the funeral I'm going to tomorrow for this little girl.
And this must stop.
And Americans and radio listeners or online, You know, I know most of your people are going to support Trump, but for those out there who aren't sure or listening in, whatever the reason and they don't know, I'm just telling you folks, you got to put all your personal issues aside on the personality of any candidate.
This is all about public policy and life, protecting our military, protecting our culture, you know, getting you, you know, bring down inflation, you know, getting us to be energy independent, all those things.
But number one, it's about life, Sebastian.
And this little girl who was a cellist, a sweet little girl, Her mother saying, you know, she'll never be any older than that day.
Everything she had to look forward to is taken from her by two animals.
And Joe Biden is number one responsible, and Mayorkas, These are, you know, accessory to the fact, as far as I'm concerned.
And she was 12 years old.
Yes, 12 years old.
And she will never, ever grow up to be a teenager, let alone a woman, as her mother said.
No.
I have to ask, because we're less than 30 hours away from probably what will be the most viewed debate in presidential history.
How does this, how does the Maryland murder, how does the murder in Atlanta, how does all of this violence by illegals let into the country factor into the debate?
How should President Trump play this?
What's your advice as one of his staunch supporters who are sitting literally next to me in the courtroom in New York listening to what was being doled out against him by a Democrat judge?
Well, Sebastian, I would be the last person to tell the president what he should say or shouldn't say, but I sure don't hesitate from making suggestions.
We have a close relationship and we've been friends for now for over a decade.
But I would look into the camera and then look at Joe Biden tomorrow and say, on this day of the debate, President Biden, Jocelyn Nguyen was buried.
She was ravaged, strangled and killed by animals that you allowed in as late as last month.
One with an ankle monitor, who had the ankle monitor on him when he allegedly killed this little girl.
This is on you, Joe Biden.
So do you know who Jocelyn Nungare and who Rachel Moran is?
Do you know the names of Lake and Riley?
Do you know who they are?
I'd make him answer the question, because numbers are numbers, Sebastian.
But this is real.
And this is the horrific—no one ever wants to lose a child, but to lose a child like this, and put it to Biden directly, and see how he responds.
Does he even know their names?
And then I would say, well, do you take responsibility for this?
They're not here because of you.
I would make this personal.
Because, you know, politics comes down to personal issues.
It's your pocketbook issues.
It's crime in your neighborhood.
And in this case, it's his border policies.
That's what I would do with this information.
On the day that she's buried, thousands more, Mr. President Biden, are coming across the border today.
Today, while the funeral service was going on.
Today, thousands more came in and including more people who could kill someone next month.
I will send that advice to Mar-a-Lago as soon as I'm off air.
We have literally 60 seconds left.
We don't rehearse these questions.
I want to ask you a tough question, but I think it has to be asked.
You are responsible, along with Governor Abbott, for one of the greatest states in the Union.
If the right people win, if President Trump is re-elected, don't people like Mayorkas have to stand in front of a court and pay for their responsibility in these crimes?
Someone needs to, Sebastian.
I don't know what the evidence would be and how you connect it.
I mean, we'd have to look at all of those things.
But this regime, and that's a regime, it's a communist, socialist, Marxist regime, and they've got puppets in front.
They're lying to the public because they know the border's not secure.
They won't even acknowledge these crimes are happening and they blame it on Trump or whatever.
But somebody needs to be held responsible.
And number one, is defeating Joe Biden in November.
That's where you start.
Yeah.
And every Democrat, you know, Sebastian, we're down to 30 seconds.
The other thing is, is there one Democrat in the United States Senate or U.S.
Congress or state legislature anywhere who has come up and said, this must stop?
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're all, they're all a part of the problem.
The Democrats are taken over by the progressive left socialists, and they're all cowards, cowards.
This girl fighting back with her hands tied behind her back is braver than one damn Democrat in the United States of America.
They're all complicit and we must stop them before America is lost forever.
We salute you, Lieutenant Governor Daniel Patrick.
I've only known you for a few short weeks, but God bless you for everything you do for the Lone Star State.
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Thank you.
Yeah, I thank you.
I've also sent that I sent a one minute clip of what I said on Fox today, which was shorter than how I said it to you.
But so send it along to Susie or Natalie or whomever your contacts are there or Chris, because I really think the president can personalize this in a way That Biden cannot respond to.
Correct.
Because there is no good answer, Sebastian.
No.
No.
There's no way.
He'll just have to deflect, and it will look like a deflection.
Yes.
By the way, can you do me a favor the next time we're on, instead of saying LT Governor, or text whatever, because it's just danpatrick.org, because that's my campaign Twitter, and that's what everybody sees.
Just danpatrick.org.
Danpatrick.org.
Yes, sir.
Done.
Thank you.
Done.
Thanks, Dan.
Yes, sir.
Okay, one minute.
I just need titles for Jen and for that.
For that, what the animals did to Jocelyn...
...was a very good question.
The animals that Jocelyn saw...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
The animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
The animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
The animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
The animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
The animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest...
...were the animals that Jocelyn saw in the forest.
America First.
Can you believe it?
They are saying that they don't agree with America First.
How do you say that?
Magnificent.
I've been doing this now for five and a half years.
When I get angry, it's kind of spontaneous as I get into a rhythm talking about an issue, but not now.
Now I'm just angry from the get-go because of what I just heard.
Let me repeat what the Lieutenant Governor of Texas just said.
A 12-year-old girl Had her hands and feet tied together as she was raped.
And she was so, so undaunted, they found a bite mark on one of the Venezuelan illegal's bodies who was raping her before they strangled her and threw her in a ditch.
That should never happen.
And it happened because of Joe Biden, Alejandro Mayorkas, and the Democrats.
If you don't understand that connection, don't ever listen to me again.
Go and live somewhere else.
Because that should never happen in America.
Illegals allowed to come in and kill our children?
Oh, and they also want to disarm you if you're a law-abiding citizen.
There's somebody called Vivek Murthy who wears a uniform as the Surgeon General.
If a man wearing a uniform wants to take your guns, there's a word for that.
It's called dictatorship.
But he is proud of the fact.
This is Biden's Surgeon General.
Yeah, so there are a series of strategies we lay out in the report, Mika.
You identified some of them, which are focused around firearm risk reduction strategies.
Those include strengthening universal background checks, and they also include measures that would seek to put time and space between firearms and individuals who would seek to harm themselves or others.
But what they also include are community-based violence intervention strategies, safe storage education programs and laws, advances and expansions in our research funding, as well as expanded access to mental health services.
These are all multiple strategies that we've offered for Congress to consider, for the country to consider, and they're actionable.
Including in the strategy is banning all, they said, automatic rifles.
Clearly they don't know what they're talking about because that means a machine gun.
They mean semi-automatic rifles, the most popular type of rifle in the nation.
The AR-15 or even a .22 caliber Ruger 10-22.
a .22 caliber Ruger 10-22. A man in a uniform wants to disarm you. Doesn't get
much clearer than that.
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What's it all about?
What's the history of mankind?
Does it repeat itself?
Are we condemned to cycles of history?
And if you want to understand man, and even get a chance to maybe predict the future, What do you need to understand?
I've been convinced ever since I read the great John Keegan's book on the history of war that the history of man is the history of warfare, is the history of conflict.
Somebody who I have great respect for recommended another book, a little bit heftier and weightier than Keegan's, War in Human Civilization by Azar Gat that basically comes to the similar conclusion with a great survey of wars through the ages and I'd like to take that analysis and look to the future of what we can expect in conflict in our civilization with the person who recommended that book to me and to hundreds of thousands of his viewers on his superb channel.
It is the What Thank you so much for having me.
It's a pleasure as always.
Right, so you keep pumping out excellent content.
The one I'd like to discuss today is in fact one of your shortest, surprisingly.
It's just 21 minutes long, but it is a meaty subject.
The Top 10 Potential Future Wars.
And you break them down.
I don't even think we'll have time to go into depth in all ten of them.
But let's start with this observation that came to me whilst I was teaching irregular warfare and counter-terrorism.
That if you want to understand mankind, you really have to understand the history of war.
Correct?
Agreed, yes.
Okay, good.
Alright, we'll move on.
That was the shortest answer we've had on this show yet.
Alright, so let me list first, let me list the ten conflicts so people who haven't seen the video can place them into the correct context as we break them down.
So, another war in Korea.
Then China taking Taiwan, then a Chinese civil war, so a war inside Communist China, a Russian civil war, and then a Caucasus war, or the Caucasian war, not a war of white people, but actually in the Caucasus region involving the Chechens.
One I have been wary of, or leery of, for over a decade now, the collapse of Pakistan.
One that I find less than feasible, or the least feasible, and that's the expansion, or an imperialist kind of expansion of Afghanistan.
We can talk about that later.
A war between US and Iran, sadly, more likely every single day.
And then one that you've written or you've presented multiple videos on, a new civil war, a second civil war in the United States.
And then lastly, something that is not listed as a war but troubles in Europe, the sick continent of Europe.
Let's jump straight in with the one I think, if I remember correctly, you deem the most dangerous or which could be the most harmful with
the greatest loss of life in human history, and that's a Chinese civil war.
Will you talk to us about why the biggest communist nation in the world is ironically
so very, very fragile, Rajyad?
I say that it is the potential to be the bloodiest war in history, given, keep in mind, during
World War II, the entire planet had a population smaller than India and China combined today.
And so the dissolution of a country like China, it has the potential for a really horrifying event.
And another factor that you'll don't think about that often is that the global supply chain is incredibly interconnected.
And so if one variable goes out, you could experience mass famine and The issue today is that we are mostly city dwellers who are dependent upon food supplies from very far away.
And so if there's an issue in the Chinese trade system, you could see a lot of atrocity.
You could see a lot of deaths, and that would be really horrible.
And the way I answer your question is that Almost any single issue you think about in America is in fact worse in China.
And I have a specific video I released a few months ago explicitly about this topic.
And with China, they have aging to one of the worst degrees of any country in the world.
They have Horrifying economic issues there was a point last summer when a majority of young Chinese were unemployed Yeah, and I don't I I don't trust the Chinese government's numbers.
It might still be that case Actually, no, it wasn't the Chinese government's numbers that half were unemployed.
It was a independent It was it was a couple independent groups.
Um, they also have I judge people's actions to figure out what their underlying motives are, and the Chinese Communist Party is acting in an incredibly desperate way, and that signifies to me that they're scared.
And I see that in a bunch of different vectors, and you'll hear—it's nearly funny how scared the Chinese Communist Party is, and they'll do insane stuff like ban ban video games or ban k-pop singers and that's pretty silly but the underlying reality for why they're doing that is they want to make their population tougher to prepare them for a war and and the crazy thing is the Chinese literally the Chinese government realizes its underlying weak position and that's driven by a bunch of things between insane real estate costs very high inequality uh a series of underlying there's a dozen for them even for stuff like water supply and uh
And intractable differences between different factions of the Chinese Communist Party, because China has a left and a right, but they stand for completely different things than America.
And so there are these internal differences in China, and you can view a lot of what Xi Jinping does as the attempt to solidify a faction of supporters against the other factions.
And his anti-corruption campaigns are often really ways to remove his political opponents.
During COVID, or at the tail end of COVID, I'm sure a lot of you heard about how in China they shut down internal transportation, where the city of Shanghai was starved for food for a pretty long time, and they didn't let people leave their homes, and they would sometimes weld people into their homes for COVID lockdown.
And I think anything you think about Covid-America policy being bad, China is 10 times worse.
And from all of this I've put together, China's in a precarious position and it appears as if they're trying to turn Taiwan and India Well, we'll talk about the external in a moment, but I want to stay on this thread of, you know, China collapsing into a civil war or a revolution.
Now, if you look at the last 300 years, civil wars or revolutions were almost always, you know, ideologically defined.
So whether it's theocracy coming into Iran, whether it's liberty against imperial forces in America, Whether it's the French Revolution and down with the aristocracy
and the Ancien Régime.
I don't see that ideological component or those potential dissident groups in China.
Say at the end of your analysis that it could probably break into the warlords of the ancient seven-state system
in China.
But don't you need some kind of anti-establishment ideology?
Because I don't see a lot of pro-democracy dissidents in China because they're all in prison or dead.
China is one of the most cynical societies in the world, where if you look at all the logical endpoints of modernity,
collapse in traditional values, collapse in manners, collapse in traditional local societies, screen addiction.
People working in dystopian, Dickensian conditions.
All the negative things you associate with modernization and the Industrial Revolution, China has the worst in the world.
And I very rarely see politics actually based off ideology in China, in that it's all about pushing local power interests.
And my best guess is that There's some crisis of leadership at the top of the Chinese Communist Party, and then different sub-factions break apart.
I expect it to be a very cynical conflict based around pushing specific interest groups.
For all of these countries, I would say that if you're looking at A country in Asia or Africa that is politically unstable, the best chance for an ideology to wipe it out is nationalism.
And that I think the ideology that would be most likely to take out communist China would be a sort of Confucian nationalism.
The problem, though, is that in China, it's one of the most suppressed internets in the world.
And so I think an ideology like that could only develop after the Chinese Communist Party fell apart.
And inside the Chinese Communist Party, you have their version of—you have the government, and then you have centrists who are Chinese Communist Party employees or members, and they support the government no matter what it says.
And then the right in China is actually old-school Marxists who predominate in rural areas, and They're socially conservative but very economically left-wing, and then the left in China are the liberals who are based out of places like Shanghai, and they support more capitalism, more freedom of speech, that stuff.
In Xi Jinping, his strategy has been to ally with the old-school Marxists against the liberals, and the liberals are the faction that They're being oppressed, but the problem is it's lots of people who I don't think would want to fight.
It's lots of coastal city dwellers.
And one of the intractable issues in China where I could definitely see a war is that the coasts are much better developed than the interior.
And so you have hundreds of millions of Chinese who live in conditions comparable to Africa.
And that's That's a source of discontent that you could very easily pull soldiers from.
And I think for leaders like that, people like that, either cynically following a warlord or nationalism are the two ideas that would propel them.
And Xi Jinping's trying to use old school communism to propel them.
But the problem implicit in that is that I don't think anyone in China believes in communism anymore.
I don't think even the top of the CCP do.
Well, we'll talk about that rural metropolis divide in the American context later in our
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Before we talk about what's happening inside our civilization and inside our nation and your predictions, Radyad, for civil war in America, which I think is one of your most popular topics on your YouTube channel, let's talk about this.
You had a half a sentence that even for me, who eats and dreams and sleeps geopolitics and has done for about 30 years, was a kind of, oh yes, That's so succinct.
You talked about China with regard to Taiwan and how this is one of the potential wars literally just around the corner, could be within the next four months before the election, and you made this, I think you actually used the word affront, and you said that Taiwan as an independent nation-state is an affront to communist China because it is China, but run in a completely different political form.
So it's like the thorn in the paw of the lion, right?
It's just a little thorn, but it drives the lion insane.
Explain this very trenchant observation that this giant communist, you know, quasi superpower is so irritated by this tiny little island because that island says it too is China.
Societies are based off certain right to rules where the established elite has to have an idea which justifies why they are the ones in charge and for each of the major world regimes they always run into a certain contradiction in their ruling message, and there's always a symbol for it.
For us, for our ruling elite, it's Donald Trump.
That's why they keep on attacking him.
For a lot of Muslim countries, it's Israel.
And for the Chinese, it's Taiwan.
Because the key driving motivation for why people follow the Chinese Communist Party Now is Chinese nationalism.
No one believes in communism anymore in China, especially the Communist Party.
And so when they get people to do stuff for them, it's because they support Chinese nationalism.
The problem, though, is that there's another Chinese government which is superior by almost every metric.
If you compare Taiwan versus China, Taiwan is wealthier, it's freer, it has better life satisfaction.
Nearly every single metric you could pick is better in Taiwan versus China.
And the Communist Party knows that they seized power through force.
And so they are worried, in turn, about someone doing the same thing to them.
And they know that there are many Chinese people who view Taiwan as a government that they would not dislike having.
And so it's It creates a symbol that demonstrates their own insecurities, which is why they hate the Taiwanese so much.
Before we leave the region, you gave some shocking statistics on why Korea could see another war.
And you talked about the suicide rates, not in North Korea, but the suicide rates and the lack of fertility and reproduction in the South.
Why is the South, this incredible success since 1953 and the cessation of the ceasefire, seeing these absolutely catastrophic stats?
Is it because they've caught the Western disease of decadence and comfort?
Korea is a fascinating story, and there are a couple places in the world that I want to pick
as parables where I think the 20th century has a lot of lessons, or our time has a lot of lessons,
but we don't learn them. And one of those places is Korea, because I think Korea is such a
fascinating story, because Korea, for the last 2,000 or something years, it's been a unified
country.
And the Koreans are the same people.
It's a pretty small country, all things considered.
But then you saw what was effectively an artificial political divide And then that completely changed life for both Koreas, but you do see a fundamental unity between them, where I would say that both Koreas are dystopias, but in very different ways.
It would be almost as if Elvis Huxley or George Orwell wrote books The story of Korea today could be something that was written by Albus Huxley or George Orwell.
And in North Korea, I'm sure we're all aware of the dystopianism there.
They're a dinosaur from the Stalinist era.
They are horrifically oppressive.
Every bad thing you could imagine happening has happened in North Korea.
South Korea is interesting, though, because if you went back five years ago, South Korea was possibly one of the greatest success stories of our time.
And it became very wealthy.
There are only two countries which have industrialized since the end of the Cold War, or moved from the undeveloped to developed.
Those two countries are Poland and South Korea.
There might be other countries that are smaller, but those are the two big ones.
And South Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world.
It has the lowest population birth rate in the world.
It has horrible mental health.
Its people work the most hours of any population in the developed world.
And Korea does have the degeneracy that we have in a different form, and it's fascinating to look at the Koreas because it's a very rat race materialistic society where people are constantly trying to out-compete each other for basically stuff.
But the problem, though, is that in the process, they've lost the entire society.
And you hear interesting stories of North Korean defectors fleeing to the South.
And then once they hit the South, they say, I never expected to see the ennui and the loneliness that we have here.
And one of the things they appreciated in North Korea was because it's such a poor society, there's still more of those things, while South Korea is a society It's really demonstrative of how non-material factors can hurt a society, where it can be a society that's, well, and the other thing is that cost of living is so high in Korea that the average Korean, even though it's wealthy on paper, they can barely afford to pay bills and they work a tremendous amount of hours because real estate and other costs of living are so incredibly high.
Yeah, yeah.
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Radjad, one of your most popular topics is the impending civil war in America.
You've actually predicted, what is it, you're betting against God in your videos, you predicted that there will be violence in America before the election in November.
God willing, there won't be, but let's talk about that for a moment, because you made one Do we have this map, Eric, that I sent you?
Explain the significance of this map to your analysis about civil war in America, where most of the map, almost 90% of America is red, and there are these little islands of blue.
What does that map represent, Rodyard?
It's great you pulled that up, because that map is symbolic for why the right would win a civil war.
I have said repeatedly that if we have a civil war, I'm putting significant majority odds that the right wins.
And you can kind of see it.
It's that the right has a central, geographically coherent territory.
It has the food, it has the resources, it has the electricity, it has the manufacturing.
And the left is a series of city-states that don't even connect.
It would be difficult to establish a centralized Blue government on even the east or the west coast because you can see San Francisco is not connected to Seattle, Washington D.C.
There's places where even between Washington D.C.
and Boston that it doesn't connect and the problem is that the left has over indexed on everything except hard power and the right has all of the levers through which you can actually wield You can actually wield physical influence.
You could actually say that the right deals in physical things and the left deals in immaterial things, because the left has taken over various fields like law, the government bureaucracy, the schools, academia, Hollywood.
These are influential in a peaceful society, but they have no comprehension that physical force Okay, so they end up making foolish miscalculations.
They don't have an idea that they don't have a concept that force can be used against them. And so I think... Is that a
function? I just want to jump in there because I was in the midst of watching one of your other
videos on the esoteric. Do you think that kind of disregard for, you know, people who know how
to change a tire, load an AR-15 magazine, could that actually be a function of their ideological
focus on idealism, on not the real world, that they have that disregard? I would need to think
for a second about what the causation is there because in the world you often end up with weird causation
issues where did the conservatives take over red America because they have values that red
America liked or they took over red or they became the dominant constituent and then they
evolved the ideas.
And I think it's because In our era, the ruling class weren't those who actually had to deal with the world, and it's a common pattern where the ruling class often views the people who actually do stuff with contempt.
And I read a book that said that one of the positive aspects of American society is that we normally don't view people who actually do things with contempt.
And for a wealthy kid to work at a Starbucks is not seen as meaning in America.
But in a lot of the world societies, you would never do that for class reasons.
And I think the left evolved into a pretty normal historic setting, where the it's a it's a form of Rob Henderson has said everything in the left is a luxury belief and that everything in leftist ideology is a sort of game to show how Privileged they are that they don't need things like family or a coherent surviving society.
They don't worry about crime I think this is comparable where it's just another extension of leftist luxury beliefs Yeah, and which is, of course, connected to the whole concept of virtue signaling.
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So, continuing the discussion on an imminent and impending civil war in America, you list all the clear indices, the gulf between the rich and the poor.
The fact that the majority of Americans couldn't manage an emergency that cost $500 in cash to solve.
The separation, as we saw on the map, of rural America versus the metropolis, the metropolitan America.
Then you said something interesting that kind of gainsaid your analysis.
And I'd like you to expand upon it.
I'd like you to convince me of its veracity.
You put this chart up.
First, you said, the conservatives would win, the right would win, because we're the ones that have the guns and know how to use them.
But then you said, however, there's no ideological cohesion on the right.
There's these numerous camps, the Bible thumpers, the libertarians, the free marketers, the interventionists, the isolationists.
Talk me through this and how this doesn't undermine your analysis that the right would win. Can they win if
they're divided or does the division just show up after the kinetic war? I want to preface this by
saying that I am a, I spend a lot of time in right-wing world and so I'm, as I, when I say this I am
speaking as a person who knows everyone who knows a lot of the people involved and has seen this
myself.
I'm not speaking academically, and this stuff is largely intuitive in that you have to actually be there and see what's going on, because if you want to develop logical systems to predict how the world works, it's not going to work.
It's funny that I said that as a person who does that, but The Right Today has one of the best things about The Right Today, is it has very strong in-group cohesion, and it's not particularly... it still allows a lot of free thinking.
You mean it's not ideologically monolithic?
Yeah.
And that's why I'm here, exactly.
And so you can see conservatives who disagree on a handful of issues, and they still work together.
And the social cohesion among conservatives is high enough that I can't see us being divided in a war between the left.
Because almost all Americans at this point know what leftist dominance means.
We know what The problem with all the factions involved, though, is that we hate the concept of abstract concepts.
And so I think the right has enough internal cohesion that it would survive a war.
The problem with all the factions involved though is that we hate the concept of abstract concepts
and you fundamentally need abstract concepts in order to unify a population.
But the reason the left won is the left operates on a very base material worldview.
But in that kind of base material worldview, they offer to give you stuff.
And if you remove values, the people who give you the most stuff are those in power.
And with the right, no one's really gone through a process of ideological intellectual formation.
And so the right has potential for that.
But at the same time, it I think it'll run into issues once you have the right, actually have to design policies, and it'll become especially an issue once the boomer generation dies off.
Because once the boomers die out, you lose this consensus among people who lived in reasonable times, where boomer conservatives, they're not attached to the to the insanity of our era. And so once you lose the boomers,
I think you'll go through a period of ideological merging and transformation. And it reminds me
of a book I read about a month ago called Fire in the Minds of Men by Billington. That is a
very important book. Yes.
Do you want me to explain it later?
No, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.
Okay.
So I really love that book, and there's a couple fascinating outtakes that your audience would like.
But it's a book about the history of the left from the French Revolution until World War I, so the formation of the modern left.
And there's a fascinating part of the book where they say that in the French Revolution, The different factions of revolutionaries went to different cafes.
And so each of these cafes had different political bents.
And the French Revolution itself was a very heterogeneous movement in that there were so many different factions of the French Revolution.
And then once the revolution happened, you had the Jacobins killing everyone, and then the Jacobins lost, and Napoleon rose, etc.
But a couple other fascinating outtakes from that is that After the French Revolution, you went through this kind of covert period of intellectual formation, out of which modern leftism came.
And I think the right is or is in the process of doing this in the future right now.
And Some things I'll throw out that are really fascinating from this book, and I want to preface.
This book was written by a Princeton professor and congressional librarian, and so I say that because one of the big theses of the book is that the modern left is a descendant of the occult and illuminati movements of the French Revolutionary Era.
And the reason he says that is that he studies the lives of these revolutionaries themselves, and they were also part of sad organizations, They were—the Freemasons organized the French Revolution, and I understand it may sound absurd, but it all adds up in that the ideology they follow is the same, it's the same people, and the same kinds of people who didn't like the established churches were also the same kinds of people who didn't like the established governments.
And another interesting outtake from it is that The people who became the Nazis and the people who became the Communists, they were part of the same movement until the 1850s, and then they diverged after that.
So that's why you see ideological similarities between Nazis and Communists.
And the final thing is that—I know I threw a lot of points at you, but it'll give some stuff to talk about, and the audience can check it out if it's more interested—is that You can see almost all the threads in leftism today right after the French Revolution.
You had French thinkers at the time of the French Revolution who talked about transgenderism, who talked about using a globalist—they talked about Using the third worlds to liberate the first world from class oppression.
They talked about creating a priesthood of scientists, which the public follows through secular rituals.
They talked about the creation of a new global man split off from culture.
Every single element of modern leftism you see from thinkers 200 years ago.
Yeah, yeah.
It's fascinating, especially if you just look at the right Hegelians and the left Hegelians.
You'll understand that, you know, communism and fascism are, in fact, kissing cousins.
They're not on either side of a spectrum.
The book that was recommended is Fire in the Minds of Men, Origins of the Revolutionary Faith, James A. Billington.
I highly recommend it to all of our viewers and listeners.
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I'll just mention two things you just said about the future of the conservative movement that I think is really interesting, that there'll be a tectonic shift when the boomers die out because i think they did have an ideological formation even if it was just a a very passive one and i think that ideological formation was the cold war uh that that that bipolarity that nuclear war threat gave us you know an osmotic ideological formation and then the other thing is that we lived in reasonable times if you were born in the last 30 years
With transgenderism, forever wars, and so forth, your conception of normal is very skewed, and that will create problems.
All right, nevertheless, let me ask you one question.
That is, you used this phrase about five times in your video on the coming wars, and you talked about Violence is needed for there to be a reset.
Can you expand upon that?
What's being reset?
Is it civilization?
Is it normalcy?
Is it understanding that life is brutish and short?
Because I find that sentence that, you know, there is a need for a reset and violence causes it to be fascinating.
When I was running errands this morning, I was thinking to myself, The further people get away from the threat of violence, the less attached to reality they are.
And I think frequently about how many, so many people in our society, and this applies between politicians, businessmen, cultural figures.
I mean, I can't believe that the British Tory party just killed themselves for no real benefit.
I can't believe Disney did the same.
You see all these organizations Blowing up their entire brand due to just complete delusional concepts of the world and Across the planet you see lots of people who lots of elites who are completely detached from fundamental reality and they need to have a They need to have the reality of the world shown to them and I think it's very comparable to before the French Revolution where
Mary Antoinette didn't say let them eat cake, but that was definitely her attitude.
And I see this across the world, and I figure out when this sort of thing happens based off how far can you push delaying features in that debt, immigration, and various other things between Just stimulus or burning off the old institutions, the credibility of the old media, the old universities, that sort of thing.
You can't push that lever that far until the world goes crazy.
And the problem, though, is that If you look over history, and one of my favorite quotes is
I say, the world is unreasonable, and expecting things to be
reasonable is in fact unreasonable.
And you look over history, and I'm developing a theory that I'd like to make a video about,
that there are periods lasting a little bit over a century over the modern period,
and then on each side of it is a war that bifurcates the social order.
And so the last example of that was the World Wars, the Napoleonic Wars, the Thirty Years' War, etc.
And when I look at all the things going on today, and one of the crazy things that I need to make a video about is explaining how come America,
China, Europe, Brazil, and so many other places are all hitting instability at the
exact same time. And I look at a place like England, for example, where the English
public doesn't want immigration.
They don't want the current dual do the do the uniparty to run everything.
But all of their alternatives are people who push things that are in fact killing their nation.
And once you end up in situations like that, you're basically just goading the public to have a war.
Yeah.
It doesn't repeat itself, but it most definitely rhymes.
There are cycles in history.
Why?
Because history is made up of humans!
It's not rocket science!
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